[kj] Sound a disgrace/it's the amps stupid

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it is the marshall pre and power amps which is destroying the sound!!


specifically marshalls are a very mid & upper mid biased amp and 
those tones tend to muddy up things. marshalls are not known for 
punch and clarity teh way burman's are. these frequencies pushed by 
marshalls also tend to coax more feedback from geordie's harp.

his sound has been like this for fifteeen years and the marshalls 
have been in the arse'nal for that period. the sound will never be 
rich, clear, roaring and powerful until an amp designed for clean 
power is used.

the burman amps had the most clean powerful punchy roar ever made and 
this became the sound killing joke became known for. although they  
are being made again http://www.burmanamp.co.uk/  unfortunately, 
(geordie's old burman's could be refurbished/rebuilt/redesigned) for 
some reason geordie and the burman folks have not been able to 
reestablished a relationship.


before the 03 tour i passed geordie and raven gregg burman's email 
and phone contacts. later as i spoke with gregg both on the phone and 
via email, he mentioned that geordie and raven had contacted him and 
would be coming up to newcastle for repairs and or new amps. it was 
great news as we were hoping they could come together and fans would 
be treated to the great clear powerful sound of pre 1990 joke. 
geordie and raven where enthused to have reached contact with gregg 
and were talking of things to come in terms of new amps for the tour, 
likewise gregg was looking forward to the endeavour. alas, as i spoke 
to raven and geordie on the 03 tour about burman, raven mentioned 
sending an old burman he had just found to gregg for fixing, and was 
hoping to use it for recording, that was good news...then i asked 
geordie about his progress with burman, to which he replyed something 
like "i talked to him a couple times and then he disappeared". anyway 
geordie was in the process of snorting down a vodka tonic "the 
stranger" just bought him and seemed annoyed so i didn't dig.

so....

it is possible all this occured before gregg had the full crew, parts 
resources and tooling on board, so that may have had something to do 
with it. what ever the reason it is very unfortunate.   

regardless, currently geordie could get his old amps primed and ready 
to storm the world but i would venture to guess he may have lost 
patience or something.

the 03 tour was a blast and killing joke was magnificent in many ways 
but most often the sound was an atrocious mess of feedback and 
inarticulate riffs coming from the harp and the venues were engulfed 
in it from start to finish. from the accounts of the current gigs, 
nothing has changed, possibly it's worse?! 



what's the point?



geordie's harp sound is the most important instrumental factor in the 
killing joke
sound yet it clearly isn't right      


and that sucks dino cock


     


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On 2 Mar 2005 at 15:02, Phillipps Marc wrote:

>His tone comes across as being nothing special. Could just be me
>being a
snob, >but I think he's joined the lowest common denominator using
Marshall kit...

He seemed to find something of the old tone with Murder Inc by using 
a
couple of Fender Bassmans (Bassmen?) . . 

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	ade [SMTP:ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk]
> Sent:	Wednesday, March 02, 2005 2:50 PM
> To:	'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'
> Subject:	RE: [kj] Sound a disgrace
> 
> His tone comes across as being nothing special. Could just be me
> being a snob, but I think he's joined the lowest common denominator
> using Marshall kit...
> 
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: 	gathering-bounces at misera.net
> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]  On Behalf Of Phillipps Marc
> Sent:	02 March 2005 14:34 To:	'A list about all things Killing Joke
> (the band!)' Subject:	RE: [kj] Sound a disgrace
> 
> >Empire Song was great to hear, but it wasn't "a thousand orchestras
> playing at 
> >once".
> 
> Probably something to do with Geordies gear these days . . he should
> get back to the Burmans! 
> 
> :o)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Jpwhkj at aol.com [SMTP:Jpwhkj at aol.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, March 02, 2005 2:26 PM
> To:	gathering at misera.net
> Subject:	Re: [kj] Sound a disgrace
> 
> I was down the front on Thursday, and had my ears well-plugged, so I
> assumed the crap sound was thanks to that! But actually even on
> Friday I thought the guitar sound was disappointing - Empire Song
> was great to hear, but it wasn't "a thousand orchestras playing at
> once".
> 
> Jamie
> 
> 
> <neilfperry at btinternet.com> writes:
> 
> >Christ I'm glad it isn't just me who thought this -
> >was beginning to think I was going mad
> >N
> >
> >
> > --- god botherer <acroastic at hotmail.com> wrote: 
> >> Thursday nights sound was an absolute disgrace.
> >> Friday was a considerable improvement.
> >> 
> >> I found myself feeling quite resentful on Thursday
> >> that they could get it so wrong after all these years. 
> 
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