[kj] Money is Not Our God!

Thu Jan 13 10:35:13 EST 2005

>Do humans really need money?

Society decrees that we do . . 

It's one of those harsh facts of life, unless you want to live back in the
middle ages (when they still had money but a much better barter system as
well) money is a necessity 

Marc.  

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Graeme Rowland [SMTP:crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk]
> Sent:	Thursday, January 13, 2005 3:31 PM
> To:	A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> Subject:	[kj] Money is Not Our God!
> 
> Do humans really need money?
> 
>  --- melinda grant <hollytree1961 at hotmail.com> wrote: 
> > mark,hi...i hear where you are coming from,n agree
> > that k.js behavuor of 
> > late,has been totally uncharaistic to there usual
> > prinsipal......may be 
> > through some of these stranger than fiction recent
> > moves of 
> > theres...supporting m.crew.....may arise the
> > opportunity for the joke to 
> > bring 4th not only a new album/but may be,n,i am
> > strongly hoping,a tour of 
> > there own/plus clearing the decks  where debt is
> > concerned...cheers..mel     
> > ps,i have been into k.j. since 79,n have also braved
> > all weathers to see em 
> > over the yrs....so i understand.
> > 
> > >From: Mark G Holt <akillingjoker at yahoo.co.uk>
> > >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke
> > (the band!)" 
> > ><gathering at misera.net>
> > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> > band!)" 
> > ><gathering at misera.net>
> > >Subject: Re: [kj] TIME TO SAY GOODBYE....reconsider
> > maybe for mel and rob
> > >Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:52:33 +0000 (GMT)
> > >
> > >hi mel
> > >
> > >sure i need money, i'm self employed so maybe
> > that's why i feel so very 
> > >strongly about colesy, i don't know everyones age,
> > but i DID sleep on 
> > >railway stations etc all through to see KJ, when we
> > couldn't scam lifts etc 
> > >from 80 through to 85, so i think i've given them a
> > chance, i also had life 
> > >easy from then on, passed me driving test l;ate 64,
> > got me first car so on 
> > >the nighttime tour i slept in the luxury of a ford
> > escort.
> > >but hey, i  loved this band, no band ever touched
> > me like kj did, but this 
> > >latest spate of actions baffles and angers me, and
> > we all, as gatherers, 
> > >are entitled to opinions
> > >i'm glad i got everyone talking anyway, oh and
> > here's a question for rob:
> > >you mentioned a flow of information as one of your
> > points rob, and fair 
> > >enough...but hasn't that flow been dictatorial
> > rather than informative 
> > >since the 25th anni shows were announced?
> > >
> > >just a thaught
> > >
> > >cheers
> > >
> > >mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >melinda grant <hollytree1961 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >rob..your a wise old man in the
> > moon......mel==refuring to the logical/n
> > >practical reasons why its kinda sensible for j.k to
> > do 5 gigs with the
> > >m.crew......ps,mark/give the joke a chance,they are
> > only human,n need money
> > >like we all do...
> > >
> > > >From: Rob's Arse
> > > >Reply-To: joker at Z6.com,"A list about all things
> > Killing Joke (the band!)"
> > > >
> > > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> > band!)"
> > > >,gathering at misera.net
> > > >Subject: Re: [kj] TIME TO SAY GOODBYE
> > > >Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 02:24:40 -0800 (PST)
> > > >
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> > >Don't go Mark.
> > >
> > >Let's put some perspective on this.
> > >
> > >Killing Joke have never really sold enough records
> > to make a decent living 
> > >for the band. Jaz does OK on his stuff, Youth does
> > Ok on production. Raven 
> > >and Geordie don't get much I guess. Killing Joke
> > still owe loads of money 
> > >out there!
> > >
> > >So someone offers you 5 gigs at Â£20K per gig
> > (fact). Â£100K for 5 days 
> > >work.
> > >
> > >That puts food on the table, buys the kids
> > birthday/Christmas presents, 
> > >also helps cover some costs and means that, yes,
> > this thing called Killing 
> > >Joke is worth doing. Sell your arse for 5 days so
> > that you can go out and 
> > >do what you want to do i.e. make a new album, do a
> > tour etc. Â£100K is not 
> > >much in "rock 'n' roll".  Whereas money is not
> > everthing, it is important 
> > >to survive. The problem is, when you sing "Money is
> > not our God" or some 
> > >such, you do actually leave yourself wide open for
> > criticism. Let's be 
> > >honest, Killing Joke are not motivated by money
> > alone. You know it in your 
> > >hearts.
> > >
> > >As for the merchandise thing, there could be a
> > reasonable explaination. The 
> > >problem is that no-one has bothered to explain
> > anything. So we see it one 
> > >way, they see it another, no-one from Killing Joke
> > has given their side of 
> > >the story - and they don't have to either, it's not
> > our business, it's just 
> > >very unfortunate for Mike that it has been handled
> > in a very poor manner 
> > >which has put him in a very tricky position. Mike
> > HAS to give an 
> > >explaination as to why he cannot sell any longer.
> > That's why we know - it's 
> > >not Mikes fault.
> > >
> > >The thing is that this is a great place to be and
> > we are very lucky to have 
> > >such close contact to the band, so we hunger for
> > more and we get to see the 
> > >politics and the mechanics that goes on in every
> > band, behind the scenes, 
> > >day in day out. Only we don't know. And what you
> > don't know can't harm you 
> > >(or so they say).
> > >
> > >The only thing that Killing Joke owe us is another
> > decent album. and let's 
> > >hope that's soon. You cannot stay "pure" for 25
> > years. When you are 18 you 
> > >think very differently. If you don't adapt, you die
> > and thank fuck that 
> > >Killing Joke have adapted to their surroundings
> > over the years!
> > >
> > >Stick around Mark. If you go, Peter will pick on
> > someone else!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--- Mark G Holt <akillingjoker at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > >From: Mark G Holt <akillingjoker at yahoo.co.uk>
> > >Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 06:47:23 +0000 (GMT)
> > >To: gathering at misera.net
> > >Subject: [kj] TIME TO SAY GOODBYE
> > >
> > >
> > >With a band aligning itself with Motley Crue and
> > away from Colesy, 
> > >somethings gone wrong with a group of people who's
> > idealism i agreed with 
> > >and followed for all 25 of its years,
> > >with a heavy heart and a thanks for the memory, I'm
> > off,
> > >Colesy's generosity towards Jester says what we all
> > are as gatherers
> > >The bands actions say what they've become
> > >As Jaz used to say on stage
> > >"We are the final attitude - the Killing Joke"
> > >Well for me at least, this lot is the final action,
> > long live MALICIOUS 
> > >DAMAGE, I'll be buying more shortly, Colesy,
> > >Goodbye Killing Joke, sack your new management
> > before they destroy you, 
> > >reminds me of 21 years ago and the shit with Adam
> > and the Ants all this 
> > >behaviour
> > >only one diference
> > 
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