[kj] TIME TO SAY GOODBYE

Wed Jan 12 08:08:08 EST 2005

Y'know, for a shouty, boorish bald man who takes inordinate pleasure in 
showing people his blemished hind-quarters, Rob Moss is capable of 
making the odd eloquent and well-stated point.

I think he hit on the head when he suggested that the band hasn't 
bothered to do any explaining. I'd say nine-tenths of the problems 
herein have to do with communication and/or lack thereof. As far as the 
Crue tour, they were offered a sizable sum that surpassed their 
expectations, and fuck it -- it's a gig. Like I've said before, I'd 
rather hear that the `Joke are onstage than hear about the individual 
members pursuing their solo projects or opening up trout farms or llama 
ranches.

And again -- it's not like the band haven't already made a misstep or 
two along the way to this point.  I have faith that everything will get 
sorted out with the principle players involved and that Coles will be 
compensated.

Truth will out. Time will tell.

Alex in NYC

On Wednesday, January 12, 2005, at 05:24 AM, Rob's Arse wrote:

> Don't go Mark.
>
> Let's put some perspective on this. 
>
> Killing Joke have never really sold enough records to make a decent 
> living for the band. Jaz does OK on his stuff, Youth does Ok on 
> production. Raven and Geordie don't get much I guess. Killing Joke 
> still owe loads of money out there!
>
> So someone offers you 5 gigs at £20K per gig (fact). £100K for 5 days 
> work.
>
> That puts food on the table, buys the kids birthday/Christmas 
> presents, also helps cover some costs and means that, yes, this thing 
> called Killing Joke is worth doing. Sell your arse for 5 days so that 
> you can go out and do what you want to do i.e. make a new album, do a 
> tour etc. £100K is not much in "rock 'n' roll".  Whereas money is not 
> everthing, it is important to survive. The problem is, when you sing 
> "Money is not our God" or some such, you do actually leave yourself 
> wide open for criticism. Let's be honest, Killing Joke are not 
> motivated by money alone. You know it in your hearts.
>
> As for the merchandise thing, there could be a reasonable 
> explaination. The problem is that no-one has bothered to explain 
> anything. So we see it one way, they see it another, no-one from 
> Killing Joke has given their side of the story - and they don't have 
> to either, it's not our business, it's just very unfortunate for Mike 
> that it has been handled in a very poor manner which has put him in a 
> very tricky position. Mike HAS to give an explaination as to why he 
> cannot sell any longer. That's why we know - it's not Mikes fault.
>
> The thing is that this is a great place to be and we are very lucky to 
> have such close contact to the band, so we hunger for more and we get 
> to see the politics and the mechanics that goes on in every band, 
> behind the scenes, day in day out. Only we don't know. And what you 
> don't know can't harm you (or so they say).
>
> The only thing that Killing Joke owe us is another decent album. and 
> let's hope that's soon. You cannot stay "pure" for 25 years. When you 
> are 18 you think very differently. If you don't adapt, you die and 
> thank fuck that Killing Joke have adapted to their surroundings over 
> the years!
>
> Stick around Mark. If you go, Peter will pick on someone else!
>
>
>  
> --- Mark G Holt <akillingjoker at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>  
> From: Mark G Holt <akillingjoker at yahoo.co.uk>
> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 06:47:23 +0000 (GMT)
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Subject: [kj] TIME TO SAY GOODBYE
>
> With a band aligning itself with Motley Crue and away from Colesy, 
> somethings gone wrong with a group of people who's idealism i agreed 
> with and followed for all 25 of its years,
> with a heavy heart and a thanks for the memory, I'm off,
> Colesy's generosity towards Jester says what we all are as gatherers
> The bands actions say what they've become
> As Jaz used to say on stage
> "We are the final attitude - the Killing Joke"
> Well for me at least, this lot is the final action, long live 
> MALICIOUS DAMAGE, I'll be buying more shortly, Colesy,
> Goodbye Killing Joke, sack your new management before they destroy 
> you, reminds me of 21 years ago and the shit with Adam and the Ants 
> all this behaviour
> only one diference
> Adam could write Pop songs
> Jaz wrote his on Nighttime
> that was 20 years ago
>  
> I'll be keeping in touch with Jamie and Marc and Bob and of course 
> Colesy offlist.
>  
> Goodbye all
> Get well Jester
> Take care Alex and Cliff
> See you Peter
>  
> Wonder if Killing Joke ever read this list?
> or are they now THAT out of touch
>  
> I believe its the latter.
>  
>  
>
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