[kj] burst harp
fluw
fluwdot at earthlink.net
Thu Aug 18 11:37:21 EDT 2005
christ
this may seem trivial to some but misinfo is a cancer, so to make this
point clear, the 175 and 295 are the same dimensions, 16" wide X 20.5"
long X 3.5" thick, i know i have used both for 18 years,, further here
is a description of some distinguishing characteristics from a top
authority in the biz;
"In 1952 Gibson introduced two models with gold finish. The hollowbody
is essentially a fancy ES-175 with white pickup covers, a floral-painted
pickguard, and gold-plated hardware. The trapeze-style combination
bridge-tailpiece is the same as that of the gold-finish solidbody, the
Les Paul Model, except that the strings wrap under the tailpiece on the
Les Paul. The gold finish extends to the back, sides, and neck of the
ES-295; the great majority of gold Les Pauls have gold finish on the top
only. The ES-295 was discontinued in 1959" (George Gruhn and Walter
Carter, Electric Guitars and Basses: A Photographic History, p. 71)
if you are noticing a smaller dimension then you might be referring to
the es125 that G thorogood plays for example.they look similar but are a
thinner instrument -- back to front
to get a look at the 175 specs from gibson - see below. followed by the
rare clapton es295 sunburst page -- dimensionally these are the same,
the only difference other than the pickups of the later 175 model
featured is tailpiece and aesthetic detail
http://www.lovestreetgallery.com/4247.html
Size: 16" wide x 20.5" long x 3.5" thick
Top Species: Curly Maple/Poplar/Maple laminate
Back Species: Curly Maple/Poplar/Maple laminate
Rim Species: Curly Maple/Poplar/Maple laminate
Binding: Multi-ply top, single-ply back
*NECK*
Species: Mahogany
Profile: Standard 175
Peghead Pitch: 17°
Thickness at 1st fret: 0.635"
Thickness at 12th fret: 0.780"
Heel Length: 0.625"
Neck Joint Location: 14th fret
Headstock Inlay: Holly
*FINGERBOARD*
Species: Rosewood
Scale length: 24^3/4"
Total Length: 17.321"
Nut Width: 1^11/16"
Width at 12th fret: 2.062"
Frets: 20
Inlays: Pearl split Parallelogram
Binding: Single-ply
*HARDWARE*
Plating Finish: Nickel
Bridge: ABR
Tailpiece: Trapeze
Knobs: Amber tophat
*ELECTRONICS*
Christof hamille wrote:
> Well...the 295 is bigger (thicker) than the 175. The 175 is
> (typically) somewhere between a 295 and 335 (for example), but lately
> are almost identical to a 335 (as far as specs, fretboard, etc.) And I
> know someone with a 175 from the 70s (I think) and it came with a
> stock wrap tail-piece. He also has a mid 90s with a stop tail piece.
> Those wrap tail pieces are not always a true give away to the guitar
> only because Gibson used those on just about anything until the
> stop-tailpiece became more prominent (cheaper to make and better
> reliability). And the Gibson anniversary reissues are pretty damn
> good as far as specs. But at very least the neck joint looks more
> correct. There was a picture floating around at the KJ anniversary
> show with Geordie and his harp and you can seem what I mean as far as
> the thickness, etc.
>
>
>> From: fluw <fluwdot at earthlink.net>
>> Reply-To: fluwdot at earthlink.net,"A list about all things Killing Joke
>> (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>> <gathering at misera.net>
>> Subject: Re: [kj] burst harp
>> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:43:27 -0400
>>
>> christ
>> it is an es295 , it has the correct thickness, and of course it has
>> the correct tailpiece. using the reissues for a judgment is flawed as
>> reissues are even less accurate. an es175 is basically a 295 with a
>> different paint job or vice versa - what also distinguishes a 295 are
>> the wrapover bridge/tailpiece combos.
>>
>> in this case the only thing that distinguishes it from a 175 is the
>> wrapover tailpiece..
>> being that it is a sunburst version -- there are very few, as is
>> mentioned in the listing..so if anyone has the cash ..do it!
>>
>> a solid investment
>>
>> and it sounds like angels...'er bells of horror and grace roaring
>> down on the infidels!
>>
>>
>> Christof hamille wrote:
>>
>>> I question whether it is really a 295. I am not sure. A few
>>> things. Doesn't seem as thick (the body). I think the neck joint
>>> is different on 295s. I could be wrong. But it looks more like a
>>> 175 Ii think that is the one) that had this combination more
>>> commonly amongst it.
>>> And if you look at this reissue
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/GIBSON-ES-295-1991-ALL-GOLD-REISSUE-P-90S_W0QQitemZ7343358529QQcategoryZ33040QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>>>
>>>
>>> It just does not seem the same.
>>>
>>> Who knows
>>>
>>> Can't afford any of them anyway
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Phillipps Marc <Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk>
>>>> Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>>> To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'"
>>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>>> Subject: RE: [kj] burst harp
>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:19:43 +0100
>>>>
>>>> >wow, here's a nice harp - who's got 6 grand to lend me? ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Is it sacrilege to say it doesn't look as good in Sunburst?
>>>>
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From: fluw [SMTP:fluwdot at earthlink.net]
>>>> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:05 PM
>>>> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
>>>> > Subject: [kj] burst harp
>>>> >
>>>> > wow, here's a nice harp - who's got 6 grand to lend me? ;-)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7343154453&indexURL=4#e
>>>>
>>>>
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