[kj] First amongt equals

Graeme Rowland crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk
Tue Apr 26 10:41:20 EDT 2005


I try not to shop in supermarkets as much as possible.
Luckily I have a good organic shop near where I live
where I can buy most food.


--- ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> >I suppose that you don't agree with the big
> monopolies ,the Supermarkets
> and
> the multinational corporations.But how many of you
> are willing to pay extra
> money for fair-trade products?Were you, the consumer
> pays more and the
> farmer receives a decent wage?
> 
> I think the problem with many not wanting to
> splash-out on 'ethically
> minded'
> products is 'cos there are generations of people now
> that are used to
> supermarket prices, let alone the whole supermarket
> culture that they've
> grown up with. If you ain't got the money, you can't
> spend out. Leave it to
> that tiresome bunch, amongst which I number myself
> :) to keep it ticking
> -over, which is fine - small steps & that.
> 
> So, yeah, I do go over the odds on certain things.
> So to speak.
> 
> 
> ade.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of
> peter.west410
> Sent: 26 April 2005 01:02
> To: joker at Z6.com; A list about all things Killing
> Joke (the band!)
> Subject: Re: [kj] First amongt equals
> 
> 
> Yes...................................... But
>    Exploitation is not exclusive too:from first to
> third world countries.
> UK farmers are also being Exploited by the
> supermarkets, whose buying power
> gives them total control over everything.Before ,the
> farmer used to sell to
> individual shops and markets ,But since the growth
> of supermarket chains
> the small shops have disappeared and the only person
> who will buy is the
> supermarkets and they dictate the price ,usually
> giving farmers minimal if
> any profit.
>    This happens the world over,Everyone wants to
> make maximum profit and
> everyone wants minimum expenditure.
>    Question for everyone:
> I suppose that you don't agree with the big
> monopolies ,the Supermarkets and
> the multinational corporations.But how many of you
> are willing to pay extra
> money for fair-trade products?Were you, the consumer
> pays more and the
> farmer receives a decent wage?
>     Who regularly puts their money where their mouth
> is?Or are people more
> concerned with maximum profit and minimal
> expenditure..........just like the
> corporations that you so despise.
> 
>      PW
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rob's Arse" <joker at Z6.com>
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> band!)"
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 4:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [kj] First amongt equals
> 
> 
> > One good example is Monsanto and their genetically
> moidifed crops woth
> terminator genes.
> > This means that the seed planted germinates and
> produces a good crop, but
> it does not produce a crop seed that can be planted
> and used for the next
> year. Therefore the poor farmer (usually in the
> thrid world) cannot use some
> of his crop for next season, he has to buy more
> fresh seed from Monsanto
> with the teminator gene in.
> >
> > Then thefarmer usually has to sell through a
> government co-operative at
> the prices set by the co-opertaive who then have
> lucrative deals with
> Nabisco etc.
> >
> > The upshot if that the farmer is being exploited
> by  1. Monsanto to buy
> their crop that yields well and gives quick cash, as
> opposed to a lesser
> yielding plant with better return for the farmer but
> over a loinger period
> of time. 2. The local governmant co-operative and 3.
> The big cereal or
> cotton companies etc
> >
> > And that's just one example Peter and there are
> many many more, some
> involving Oil, some involving minerals, some
> involving rare earths, metals,
> coffe, cocoa etc. Many of which come from Africa.
> Where people live in mud
> huts. Much of the time, we fail to see the link in
> our daily lives to
> exploitation. We are all guilty.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
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