[kj] happy birthday ADOLF

[ade]

>they had more respect for the natural resources and their place in that
equation

This almost feels like an attempt to make our fore-fathers appear spotless
when they would've exploited everything they could just like it is now. They
just
didn't have the technology.

I don't know by how much, but I certainly look to the Bibles' declaration
that
the Earth is mans' dominion & he can do with it what he will, as a bad
influence :)

I think the problems with the media-world we surround ourselves with, is
that it
takes a few years for people to realise it's not real. Worse still, a lot of
people
are quite happy to live on in the media dreamworld. You know, people don't
want
to talk about important sh!t like Iraq, 'cos it's BORING. People want 'an
easy life'
which is still quite easily done these days - just sit in front of MTV, read
Chat
& eat rubbish. If something goes wrong SOMEONE ELSE will sort it out.

As if anyone reallly give a 4k - I get more concerned every day about having
to
use a car to get to work, whilst I see more & more of those SUV's filling
the roads
over here. I'm not particularly moaning about SUV's, but when you live in a
country with lots of narrow roads, erm, well it seems to be common sense
that
cars need to be dimensioned appropriately. Doh! Do these things drink much
fuel?
I'd expect they're 4kin 10 miles to the gallon... Let the fools pay!!!


Rambling ade.


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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On
Behalf Of Juliet Pleming
Sent: 22 April 2005 09:46
To: 'iPat'; 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'
Subject: RE: [kj] happy birthday ADOLF



Refering to the end of this post. It does worry me that we are creating
a world today in which people can become very out of touch with reality.
The natural world is being pushed further and further away by
technology. Man has always tried to bend nature to fit his needs, but
our power collectively to do that is getting greater and greater. We no
longer adapt to the environment as other living beings do in an
interactive evolutionary way. No, we call the shots and control our
environment. Except we don't actually do that individually. As
individuals it is easy to lose touch with our own power as we are
spoonfed and influenced without our even being conscious of it.

I'm sure that people in the past were also indoctrinated, and in some
ways their lives were more limited, and much harder, but they did not
have the great media and consumerist buffer to cushion them from the
beauty and danger of nature in the way that we do today. We can see
nearly anything we want with out even leaving the comfort of our own
homes. We can have torture and murder in our very own front rooms at the
flick of a button, but like Peter said about multisensory experience.
Seeing something on telly just doesn't have the same impact as reality -
the full multi sensory experience. It's all very well for young kids to
play whatever game of the moment it is- whether it's Grand Theft Auto or
chasing and killing zombies. If they cut their own fingers they will go
crying to mum, and if a fraction of what happens on screen actually
happened to them in their own lives they would be shitting themselves
and traumatised for life. I suppose it's all right if you keep a
grounding in reality, but I'm not sure.

Juliet

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
On Behalf Of iPat
Sent: 22 April 2005 09:06
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] happy birthday ADOLF

not really know. The light switch analogy was precise and matter of
fact.
********Well that asks more questions than it answers:
Were the lights voice activated?
Were the lights on continuously?
Why was nt there any light switches?
Did they have access to any other light switches? ect ect ******


now you are being ridiculous for the sake of it

*******But facts are facts********

Clearly so but maybe not truths.


or is it about control?

********Control & power over people is all part of the same
package*********

Yes, but this contradicts many of your other statements. You say
people have free choice yet acknowledge the above statement

 ******I dont know if it was spontaneous or state sponsored,But its safe
to
say that if the authorities wanted to stop it ,they would********

Which is the same in this country

 But subsequent generations of children will be learning selective
history

*******Its a common occurrence ,its the same the world over*******

but you took umbrage at this very point! *******But facts are
facts******** you say and now you seem to accept that this is not the
case, that the amount of information clearly is controlled by those
with a vested interest and so in that argument there is a restriction
and therefore not a freedom of choice


*********Any means necessary was a slogan for both sides in the
dispute**********

now that's bollocks.


********I would say that predecessors respected natural resources more
,Because they came into contact with them more.I must of been about 12
years
old before I saw a real cow**********

and so they were aware of the power of the force of nature more than
urbanites today. Glad you now accept that point. I was just down in
Wales where the inquiry just started concerning the kids who got
washed away in a flash flood, encouraged into the water by a youth
worker who had no respect for the power of water. After the new years
Tsunami do you think people have a greater respect for the power of
nature? Or was it just entertainment value for a week or so on the
telly?
--
iPat
live for today, live for tomorrow
"Truth is a pathless land. Man cannot come to it through any
organisation, through any creed, through any dogma, priest or ritual,
nor through any philosophic knowledge or psychological technique. He
has to find it through the mirror of relationship, through the
understanding of the contents of his own mind, through observation and
not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection..."
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