[kj] BTATS symbol - again

[Juliet Pleming]

Talking of symbols, grammar can change the meaning dramatically with,
for example, just a comma.

How about:

		Nude Reader's Wives

Well, how many wives can one nude reader have?

Words and letters are just symbols to communicate with. People often
misunderstand each other with words. It depends what you are talking
about. A concrete statement like 'the door is open' is clear as long as
you speak English, but as soon as you write or talk about abstract
things there is room for misunderstanding, without you even realising.
You can be lulled into a false sense of security by words, because you
think their meaning is well defined, and you know what you mean. Does
not mean the other person understands you! 



Juliet

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On Behalf Of Jiri
Sent: 12 April 2005 15:19
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] BTATS symbol - again

And written language is merely symbols, anyway. The alphabet is a bunch 
of abstract symbols, a tool to shift language into a time-extended 
medium (instead of the "in the moment" of oral conversation).

All this word/image and man v. woman stuff reminds me of this book, "The

Alphabet Versus the Goddess: Conflict Between Word and Image." 
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0140196013/104-8986554-6728726

The hidden "consequences" of literacy. Pretty interesting histrical 
theory and exploration of how the adoption of alphabets and literacy 
accentuated values and the use of parts of the brain (e.g. linear time, 
abstract vs. holistic thinking) that made patriarchal societies 
possible...the origination of monotheism, and the fall of 
goddess-worshiping cultures and status of women in societies. Sweeping 
theories, but it was a good read.

Alexander Smith wrote:

>
> "If its not written in a language then its meaningless."
>
>
> So I guess this means nothing too?
>
> http://www.heretical.com/British/swastika.gif
>
>
> A
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 11, 2005, at 06:00 PM, peter.west410 wrote:
>
>> Symbols are just meaningless symbols.I feel that they are used to 
>> mystify
>> uninteresting things.If its not written in a language then its 
>> meaningless.
>>    The only things that should be of interest is trying to decipher
what
>> ancient symbols mean,before they had alphabets.
>>      Its like when people get random numbers tattooed on 
>> them.Everyone else
>> thinks "Why did he get the number 7 tattooed on him............I 
>> wonder what
>> it means"   well it means nothing.Just people trying to come across
as
>> mysterious ,knowing and intelligent.
>>      Symbols are open to misinterpretation,Which makes them redundant

>> in the
>> field of knowledge.
>>      If it isnt widely understood then it is useless
>> information.........except its good for advertising,gets peoples 
>> interested
>> in the product.
>>
>>             PW
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "fatpotanga" <fatpotanga at gmail.com>
>> To: "The Gathering" <gathering at misera.net>
>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 10:35 PM
>> Subject: [kj] BTATS symbol - again
>>
>>
>>> This is possibly one for Uncle Al...
>>> As I can't keep calling it Robert forever, does anyone know the name
of
>>
>> the
>>
>>> symbol on the inner of BTATS?
>>>
>>> The subject of it's meaning was broached aaaaaaaaaages ago but it 
>>> kind of
>>> went all cryptic and as I'm craptic when it comes to cryptic, I
thought
>>
>> I'd
>>
>>> ask again as, from the moment I saw it it's fascinated me.
>>>
>>> Curious George Potanga
>>>
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