[kj] Jaz would nt appreciate this article

Robert Martin robmartin at bluebottle.com
Wed Apr 6 11:34:21 EDT 2005


At last - someone has seen that I'm not necesarily Bill Gates' No.1
fan but gets the point of my argument.
Pat, you may be a chelsea fan but I respect you now.

To 'The Exorcist', I'm fully aware that sweeping floors, filling super
market shelves etc... DOES constitute as making money.
I used to fill supermarket shelves and hated it.
My point was that some people seem to think that these are the only
type of jobs that are valid for earning money and that if you earn
money by using your brain instead you are a leech on society.

Anyway, now that I've found out that Greg is a commie teacher, I can't
be arsed with this argument anymore. I know another commie and he
doesn't listen to anybody else's views aswell.

Sorry, I had to revert to type (wind-up merchant).

Rob


Quoting gathering-request at misera.net:

> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 14:22:05 +0100
> From: iPat <pmdavies at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [kj] Jaz would nt appreciate this article
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> 	<gathering at misera.net>
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> 
> nice one Rob
> well you could buy the Feed the World single and think you've done
> something but really its not going to work. I feel that change has
> to
> come from us first.
> An example might be: by not eating mass produced meat we reduce
> the
> demand for the type of crops that are used to force feed the
> animals
> that are used to cater for the mass produced meat demand. Since
> these
> crops have been forced by bribary on countries where it later
> emerged
> that they could not be sustained (see large expanses of Africa
> that
> suffers famine) at the expense of of the indigenous strains that
> could
> survive the climate, we might be able to return to the long term
> solutiion of stopping famine.
> While Africs crops failed, we have seen the shift to cutting down
> rainforest to provide fertile crops to satisfy demand. Now the
> fact
> that the trees have gone changes the equilibrium of the local area
> and
> has seen resulting flash flooding killing many workers families.
> Now this is being simplistic but the information is out there. Its
> your choice how you want the world to live. However when i ws
> younger
> i lived almost in daily guilt. We cant solve every problem but we
> can
> start to identify. But dont live in guilt ridden despair! Catholism
> is
> there for that!
> 
> 
> > Getting back to the point - .....what
> > do YOU think should be done to change it?
> > Who do I send all my money to so that these problems all go
> away?
> > 
> > It all very well highlighting what's wrong - that's easy!
> > What's not so easy is coming up with a better plan.


> Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 09:36:55 -0400
> From: The Exorcist <killingjoke at speakeasy.net>
> Subject: Re: [kj] Jaz would nt appreciate this article
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> 	<gathering at misera.net>
> Message-ID:
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> 
> First of all sweeping floors, filling super market shelves etc...
> DOES 
> constitute as making money.
> Every worker deserves respect and credit. People need to do all
> levels of 
> work in order for this
> world to function. Whether it be Janitorial or Executive.
> At the local "shop rite" next to me, plenty of kids go there to
> make some 
> spare cash so they have
> some money to go to college. This whole concept of "hard work"
> etc... is a 
> subject that is one
> best avoided. For example, If I discovered the cure for aids
> somehow or a 
> cancer of some sort
> does that mean that i can not make money off of it? Or should I
> just give 
> out to the rest of the world
> as it would be the "humane/whatever you wanna call it" thing to
> do?
> Did Bill Gates work harder than others? Who are we to judge? Just
> because 
> he was able to pull off
> what he did and no one else up to that point managed it, does that
> classify 
> him as the devil people
> make him out to me? How about all the jobs that were created just
> because 
> of "Windows"? I'd have to
> say it is in the millions. In regards to his business ethics or
> practices, 
> it is not my field of expertise nor
> have I done an investigation into his operation (I do not consider
> Rumors 
> or Biased opinions as fact)
> so I'll keep my mouth shut about that. (What about Hollywood
> actors, NBA 
> players or MLB players
> who make tons of cash and the stadiums jack up our prices every
> fucking 
> year? This year a CHEAP
> upper level ticket to the NY Knicks cost you around 75 dollars!)
> If someone creates some great invention that is beneficial to all,
> markets 
> it, and makes enough money
> off one dinky invention to live in great luxury for the rest of his
> life, 
> does that make him somehow bad or
> not entitled to his money? Are the people who work in the factory 
> manufacturing this "invention" cheated
> out of their money because they "work harder"?



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