[kj] Jaz would nt appreciate this article

Wed Apr 6 09:41:27 EDT 2005

He set up his company,it is successful so he deserves the rewards.
If you are intelligent the rewards are far greater than if you work hard
physically.That's why we study in school rather than spending all day doing
press-ups.
     He did nt steal his wealth ,he earnt it.And you really should nt accuse
people of stealing ,The same way you keep accusing me of being angry,yet you
seem to be the only angry one???
     As you ve admitted you are very poor and I assume that you're hatred of
Bill Gates is down to jealousy.Personally I would like to have BGs
wealth,but I haven't and probably never will have.But I don't worry about
it.I m happy with the wat I am,And ive been to poor third world countries
,The people are poor but they seem happy and content,whilst the rich
Westerners seem to scowl and get stressed out constantly.
   Who is better off?
 PW

Dave Axford:
      T.V:I was referring to the BBC.I saw a programme recently about
decorating kitchens(sponsored by a paint company) which they stated that
your kitchen MUST be light green this spring,Orange is soooooo last year.The
though of all these ladies going out the next day to buy light green paint
just because a paint sponsored programme told them too,concerned me.
 I found myself shouting "Paint your kitchen whatever colour you want"

----- Original Message -----
From: <gregslawson at aol.com>
To: <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Jaz would nt appreciate this article

> Saying that Bill Gates earned his $ is the most bone-headed, ridiculous
argument, so lame that it makes Peter look like a genius. Are you saying
that he works thousands of times harder than another manager? Or tens of
thousands of times as hard as a factory worker? Or that his precious
decisions are thousands of times smarter than any other computer geek? With
your arguments, we all might as well volunteer ourselves for slavery. He
earned all his $ by LEGALLY STEALING from others, who work for his companies
for a wage that is a fraction of what these workers produce in value. This
little fact, which some people either don't realize or justify away (like
you), is the root of most of the world's problems, like poverty and war
(since the companies don't pay workers for the full value of their work, the
workers can't buy all the products and services that these companies make.
So how do the companies make up for it? Go to war to take some other
countries profits!).
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Martin <robmartin at bluebottle.com>
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Sent: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 07:08:56 -0500
> Subject: Re: [kj] Jaz would nt appreciate this article
>
>
> I've got to ask this question:
> What is/was the point of this topic?
> Is it supposed to be saying to us all that anyone earning more than
> say 50 grand a year (or whatever) should give it over to an
> organization to re-distribute it to the poorer nations?
> A rich persons tax, say.
> If so, and you earned more than 50 grand, would you be happy to hand
> it all over?
> It sounds like the most unrealistic thing I've heard for ages.
>
> I give monthly direct debits to 3 charities every month and that helps
> me to sleep at night slightly easier in the knowledge that if everyone
> did the same, it would go a massive way to sorting out the mess.
> I guess this is just me justifying my relatively large earnings
> compared to many others in the World.
>
> I just wish that when people come out with this unrealistic bullshit,
> they would put themselves in the place of Bill Gates or whoever and
> ask themselves if they would give it all up if they were him.
> Why should he or any other person who has EARNED a large amount of
> money by hard work or making excellent decisions feel guilty enough
> to give it all away?
> How many times have you heard of people saying that if they won a
> million pounds, it wouldn't change them, only for them to change
> completely when they've become millionaires.
> We all think we'd do things differently but I think you don't know the
> truth until you have the huge amounts of dosh.
>
> Rob Martin
>
>
> Quoting gathering-request at misera.net:
>
> > Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 10:48:47 +0100
> > From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410 at ntlworld.com>
> > Subject: Re: [kj] Jaz would nt appreciate this article
> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> >   <gathering at misera.net>
> > Message-ID: <00e501c53a8d$d47f00e0$9749ff3e at yourby3nr533ht>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> >
> >
> >  The latest figure, compiled by world hunger groups and such, is
> > 50,000 die
> > each day due to hunger and preventable disease (like diherrea due
> > to
> > untreated  drinking water, or, in the UK, to Peter West's open
> > mouth, lol).
> > I think the  figure used to be 30,000 a day, but I'm not sure how
> > it's
> > changed in recent  years.
> >
> > *******Yes,Only because the world s population has increased.Its a
> > sad fact
> > that populations of some countries produce an unsustainable amount
> > of
> > people.They may have ten kids and five may make it to teenage
> > years.These
> > countries receive aid from the West,Its the corruption on a local
> > scale that
> > stops the needy receiving.
> >     If these countries cant sustain themselves,Would you be happy
> > if the
> > West took over these countries and put them straight?*******
> >
> >  Second, the fact that tech-related consumer goods get cheaper with
> > time is
> > both good and bad. Good for the consumer, but bad because the
> > labour
> > required to  produce each unit is less. That means that the company
> > profits
> > less on each  unit sold (for example, a cell phone solf for $50
> > yeilds less
> > profit than one  sold for $100). And guess what happens when less
> > profit is
> > made? Wages, hours,  benefits, etc. go down!
> > *******So how come the rich are getting richer and the poor are
> > getting
> > poorer?
> >
> > That's why the total buying power is going down (and
> > > people are less able to afford necessities). For example, when I
> > WAS A
> > KID,
> > > almost everyone could afford to buy a home by around age 30, even
> > if you
> > didn't go
> > > to college. Now, it's a complete fantasy to buy a home before age
> > 30, and
> > if
> > > you didn't go to college it takes even longer, or never. Karl
> > Marx
> > predicted
> > > all this 150 years ago and it came true--not fortune telling,
> > just
> > economics.
> >
> > *********House prices go up and down,Wait until the price
> > crashes,then
> > purchase************
> >
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