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[peter.west410]

> i think you make some good points Peter, however you need to measure
> in a different way. While people have more visible personal wealth
> they have also lost a lot. You may have the wealth to buy a mountain
> bike but to go somewhere to actually use it may be more difficult as
> the urban sprawl uses up the green belt.

*******OUCH,aarggghhhhhh,that hurt:The answer is so blindingly obvious that
it came out of my screen and slapped me around the face.
  If you ve got a bike ,then you can cycle to the green areas.*******

 How can you measure that in
> comparison to someone who had access to nature even thoughthey didnt >
have a MTB?

******I think that, that is another topic.We have more wealth.But do we use
these gains wisely?Do people spend their money on what makes them happy or
on what they are TOLD will make them happy?*****


> The value of my life when i lie on my deathbed will not be measured by
the number of sovereign rings i have on my hand but on the depth of
experiences i had and whether it made my life fulfilled.

******Yes,But if never purchased any rings you could use the money to buy a
flight ticket and cycle around  anywhere in the world.In the 1930s the cost
of a short-haul flight ticket was the equivalent to two months work.So there
are more opportunities in this day and age to seek fulfilment,then there was
when we were poor(in the good old days).********


> My son could get a phone tomorrow and he'll be happy to a certain
> extent but what value it has is another question. He hasnt earnt it
> has he.

******Cant he get a paperound?*******

 So a lot of these collectable trash may give us teh impression
> that we are richer, more affluent but it really doesnt satisfy us

*****It makes life more convenient,And if it leads to unsatisfyment!!! ,then
thats something we must address on an individual basis********



> otherwise we wouldnt consume more. So is it a false value that is
> really a distraction from where true wealth lies?

******* In reality its only a small minority that see possessions as
wealth,And I am really not bothered if anybody sees wealth as
possessions,Its their life,let them get on with it.Personally Im quite happy
and content,If they are not.They should sort it out********



> so a question, what is the most valuable thing in your life?

********Myself*********


> btw, we had this conversation b4 Peter. I posted the lyrics (see
> below) but obviously they didnt persuade you otherwise.

*******It does seem odd that you are trying to convince me that consumerism
is wrong............when I dont own an ipod, a mobile phone,A car,A
watch..........Why, because I dont want them.I ll only get something if I
want or need it,Not because Bono tells me I want or need it.
     Different things make different people content.Problems arise when
people dont know what makes them content ,And so they follow what other
people see as contentness.******


 Why ask a
> question if you already have your mind made up? >

*********My mind is changeable,And I am always ready to change it if I see I
am wrong*************



> On Apr 4, 2005 2:41 PM, peter.west410 <peter.west410 at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > "The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer"
> >
> > How many times have you heard that?
> > From my observations this is completely untrue,The population is
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> iPat
> TRUE HAPPINESS (THIS WAY LIES)
>
> And have you ever wanted something so badly
> That it possessed your body and your soul
> Through the night and through the day?
> Until you finally get it
> And then you realise
> That it wasn't what you wanted after all
> And then those self same sickly little thoughts
> Now go and attach themselves to something ... or somebody, new!
> And the whole Goddamn thing starts all over again
>
> Well, I've been crushing the symptoms
> But I can't locate the cause
> Could God really be so cruel?
> To give us feelings
> That could never be fulfilled
> Baby ...
>
> I've got my sights set on you
> I've got my sight set on you
> And someday, someday, someday
> You'll come my way
> But when you put your arms around me
> I'll be looking over your shoulder
> For something new ... because
> I ain't ever found peace upon the breast of a girl
> I ain't ever found peace with the religion of the world
> I ain't ever found peace at the bottom of a glass
>
> Sometimes it seems
> The more I ask for
> The less I receive
> Sometimes it seems
> The more I ask for
> The less I receive
>
> The only true freedom is freedom from the heart's desires
> And the only true happiness ... this way lies
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