[kj] OT: Hypocrisy

[Patrick Davies]

Selective editing: I can watch it in a pub if im so inclined but
ultimately life is full of riches that go far beyond that cathode ray
tube

Funnily enough I worked in the licence trade for quite a long time. Last
year I had a conversation with an old colleague who now runs a local
establishment. We actually discussed this and the cost of the beer
wasn't influenced by the annual bill to sky. Im sure there are some who
add on the couple of pennies per pint to subsidise it. However, it is
very rare that I go in to a pub to purposely watch a match

>Anyway why are you against "helping the murdoch empire",It works like
this.
We pay our money to Sky. Sky gives it to the Clubs. The clubs buy world
class players,Or build better stadiums

Well that's a debate for another list. World class players might be
questionable too. High turnstile prices, all seating, the prawn sandwich
brigade, painted faces etc. Sky deliberately changed the way football
was perceived in order to make it more marketable so now you have more
families attending and voicing their dismay at songs referring to yids
while spending fortunes on umbro goods that make them feel like they
really belong to the club even if they don't know the words to songs.
They don't of course, they will be told to like it or lump it just like
everyone else at some time. If you are happy with it then that's ok,
just don't think that everyone else is regardless of whether the club is
successful or not. 
Im passionate about my team but that doesn't mean im going to pay some
prat with delusions of world domination a penny. Even the yanks stpped
him from buying into the US.


ePat 

-----Original Message-----
From: peter.west410 [mailto:peter.west410 at ntlworld.com] 
Sent: 23 November 2004 11:38
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Hypocrisy

"I wont pay for Murdoch empire. Full stop. I can watch it in a pub"

Unless you watch it in a pub and don't but anything then you are
contributing,The pubs pay a higher amount too screen the games and that
money comes from the profits through higher sales.
      Anyway why are you against "helping the murdoch empire",It works
like
this.
We pay our money to Sky.
Sky gives it to the |Clubs.
The clubs buy world class players,Or build better stadiums

If there was nt Sky TV there would be no premiership as we know it.We
still
be stuck with "The Big Match" on Sunday dinnertime.

ALEX: Are you ignoring me?  recently ,When I do A post ,You do one a few
minutes later on a completely different subject,If you do it after this
post
then my suspicions will be confirmed.

                      PW



----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Davies" <Patrick.Davies at subsea7.com>
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
<gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 2:35 PM
Subject: RE: [kj] OT: Hypocrisy


<For what reason do "many"people refuse too be associated with Sky.And
if
you are against it ,Then I hope you don't watch any of the programmes.>

ah, now you ask why people refuse and then stipulate a method of
behaviour before you understand why!

I wont pay for Murdoch empire. Full stop. I can watch it in a pub if im
so inclined but ultimately life is full of riches that go far beyond
that cathode ray tube. After being Thatchers icon of ruthlessness he is
happy to jump ship to court anything that gives him money and without
regard for people or their culture


<The only difference between U2 and the KJ advertising campaigns is the
scale and amount of money involved.U2 song was used in a commercial so
was
KJs ,U2s faces were used KJs were nt.>

As I say I can see a difference. You can disagree. Im not commenting on
whether KJ were right.

<The more money the advertisers pay the more the band do.KJ were nt paid
much.I suppose U2 use ipods,So why should
nt they advertise it,If I remember correctly the KJ song was used to
advertise a Sky programme(snow-boarding I think)>

these are, I take it, assumptions. You don't really know do you? I
already defined the difference to my understanding. Im happy to change
that when I see good arguments that encourage deliberation. Im not
judging KJ peter, I was simply defining the difference.

From: Graham Brown : I'm wondering whether the bands have much say in
the matter or whether the label or publisher can do what they like with
a piece of music.  I could be wrong...

Coldplay (I think) refused their song to be used recently. Cant give you
anymore details. The embarrassment of the clash being on that Bond film
in order to tekll the viewer that the scene is now in London should be a
warning to all artists. I believe the clash s complete control is at the
start of a film right now, although I don't know which film it is.

ePat


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