[kj] pTv & lug 'oles

Fri Nov 5 07:44:24 EST 2004

Yeah I agree completely and know exactly what you mean.  But I am telling 
you the most difficult thing to do will be practicing with your band with 
earplugs...BUT..it is probably much more important to use them in practice 
situations as opposed to gigs.  And the reason is that your situation for 
practicing (typically) is a small room with everyone facing one another.  So 
what this creates is this wall of noise.  there is nowhere for the sound to 
go except onto one another.  Bass player can't hear himself he turns up, 
then the guitarist, the singer on and on.  You will do more damage at 
practice then playing shows (unless you are seeing Motörhead ;)) because of 
the closed quarters as oposed to a open bar with other bodies absorbing some 
of the sound also..  what I did was play the first song with one ear exposed 
to get the sound and volume.  Then plug up.  My ears are bad but after 12 
years of being in a touring band my ears could be a lot worse.
Plugs have improved over the years.  And do not get plugs designed for 
gunfire because they do not soften the sound until it is to late.  They are 
not made for constant sound deadening.  Just intermittent.

All I can really say is experiment with plugs and learn to get used to them. 
  You will enjoy more years of great music.  I saw the Killing Joke show 
last year and the plugs I had were comfortable enough and did not squash the 
holy harp sound.  So the show was much more enjoyable.

Chris

>From: Phillipps Marc <Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk>
>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
><gathering at misera.net>
>To: "'joker at Z6.com'" <joker at Z6.com>,"'A list about all things Killing Joke 
>(the band!)'" <gathering at misera.net>
>Subject: RE: [kj] pTv & lug 'oles
>Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:15:23 -0000
>
> >But whenever I have tried plugs it makes playing the guitar a most
>unenjoyable
> >past time.
>
>Now you know how we feel !!
>
>:op
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Rob's Arse [SMTP:joker at Z6.com]
> > Sent:	Friday, November 05, 2004 12:10 PM
> > To:	gathering at misera.net
> > Subject:	Re: [kj] pTv & lug 'oles
> >
> > Very sensible advice. Thanks.
> >
> > But whenever I have tried plugs it makes playing the guitar a most
> > unenjoyable past time. It ruins the sound, gives no vibe and ultimately 
>no
> > enoyment. All i get is a mush.I have tried special plugs too (not just
> > those foam things) but without joy.
> >
> > Any recommendations then?
> >
> >
> >
> > --- "Christof hamille" <wessidetempest at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: "Christof hamille" <wessidetempest at hotmail.com>
> > Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 05:36:43 -0500
> > To: gathering at misera.net, joker at Z6.com
> > Subject: Re: [kj] pTv & lug 'oles
> >
> > I have hearing problems but not from music but childhood sicknesses. For 
>a
> >
> > longtime I just lived with it. And in my younger days I would not wear
> > earplugs. But over the last many years I have been. While my hearing has
> > not gotten any worse the irritation in my ears gets, at times, 
>unbearable.
> >
> > Sometimes it feels like someone is driving a truck through my ears. Lots
> > of
> > irritation and sometimes horribly painful. When I was in 21 I was 
>playing
> > a
> > show and about half way through the first song I was crotched over in
> > pain.
> > It was the first and only time I thought I would have to leave the 
>stage.
> > That is how bad it was. Of course it looked very dramatic (ala Justin
> > Broadrick style) but it was horrible. That day forward I wear plugs.
> > My wife won't listen to me and wear them and she needs to more so than 
>I.
> > It is almost as bad as telling a drunk he has to stop drinking.
> > Enjoy your hearing while you can.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > >From: "Ketracel White" <ketracelwhite at hotmail.com>
> > >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> > ><gathering at misera.net>
> > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> > ><gathering at misera.net>,<joker at Z6.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [kj] pTv & lug 'oles
> > >Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 22:27:01 -0800
> > >
> > >Hey Rob!
> > >First of all, HEADCOUNT RULES!!! But...two words brother: MUSICIAN'S
> > >EARPLUGS. The big "T" ain't NO fun...just ask Alex in NYC. Once you've
> > >got yourself there, there's no going back (kinda like Herpes - the gift
> > >that keeps on giving - or so I understand...HA!!!). Hindsight is 20/20
> > >(and other cliches), etc.
> > >DIE TINNITUS DIE!!!
> > >-GC
> > >
> > >P.S. Here's what helped me get there: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/nogahyde
> > >but I'm addicted so I can't stop. Not to preach, but I wouldn't wish it
> > on
> > >my worst enemy - just be careful - I know there's several other
> > Gatherer's
> > >in the same boat. THE HUM!
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Rob's Arse
> > > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 1:01 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [kj] pTv & lug 'oles
> > >
> > >
> > > I must be blessed. After playing all the gigs I have played at the
> > >volume we play at, I can still hear a hedgehog walking on the gravel
> > >outside my house in the middle of the night.
> > > Funnily enough, I can never hear the wife loud enough ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- "death wish" <dwish2000 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: "death wish" <dwish2000 at hotmail.com>
> > > Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:49:47 +0000
> > > To: gathering at misera.net
> > > Subject: Re: [kj] pTv
> > >
> > > Tom, that ringing might be tinnitus and it might never go away -
> > >consider
> > > earplugs next time you go to a show. When your ears ring, they are
> > >trying to
> > > tell you something. Our ears have not evolved at the same rate as
> > > amplificaiton technology.
> > >
> > > I learned the hard way at a Jesus and Marychain concert in 85, and 
>I've
> > > still got a little souvinier - in stereo.
> > >
> > > Rant done,
> > >
> > > T.
> > >
> > > >I have a peculiar ringing in my ears (not from the usual blast), must
> > >have
> > > >been from the samplers....
> > > >
> > > >Tom.
> > >
> > >
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