[kj] Hypo-pathetically speaking

Tue Nov 2 16:25:37 EST 2004

Pray tell the point of the UN?

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of peter.west410
Sent: 02 November 2004 20:41
To: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk; A list about all things Killing Joke (the
band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Hypo-pathetically speaking

Because it's human nature to look after ones own interests.People work to
earn money for themselves,They dont work solely to make their bosses rich.
    And when we elect governments we expect them too look after our
interests.
     ( Not that  I think the war in Iraq was in "our"interests,But the
leaders did think it was)

   PW

----- Original Message -----
From: "ade" <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'"
<gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 11:32 PM
Subject: RE: [kj] Hypo-pathetically speaking

> I think what I'm trying to say to you is that the US govt. made all
> of this happen for their own ends. Why are they getting away with it?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of peter.west410
> Sent: 01 November 2004 22:49
> To: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk; A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> band!)
> Subject: Re: [kj] Hypo-pathetically speaking
>
>
> If the Americans left now ,Then the Taliban/Al-Quieda/Saddam loyalists,
> Whatever they are called would just march in and take power.Actually,There
> would be different factions or warlords fighting each other for
> territory,Whatever happens ,Whoever gained control would be
anti-western,So
> it would be back too square one.
>     America is trying to put a force in place,A "puppet-government"It
could
> be argued,That will...............well do its dirty work and fight against
> the "Rebels"
>      To impose democracy on a region that has no concept of the meaning
> ,Which is not used to it and maybe doesn't understand it .
> Whether it is morally right or wrong is another question.
>   I don't believe for one minute ,That Iraq is being re-built to serve
> anyone but the West's interests.........................Do I think its
right
> or wrong?..............Who cares what I think?
>
>     PW
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ade" <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
> To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'"
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:21 PM
> Subject: RE: [kj] Hypo-pathetically speaking
>
>
> > Ok, but why does the US govt. feel the need to rebuild Iraq? It didn't
> > need rebuilding before they went in. Why is it their place to inflict
> > 'democracy' on another people with a massively different culture?
> >
> > I'd agree though, that the US govt. should throw some constructively
> > spent money at Afghanistan - not because of the most recent campaign,
> > but because they hijacked & then used the place as the battleground
> > for *their* Soviet campaign. Since then it seems that little has
happened
> > in terms of putting that damage right - 4kin burnt-out Soviet tanks
> > still knocking about all over the gaff! "Yeah, thanks for fighting a
> > bit of our Cold War for us - see ya!"
> >
> > ade666
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
> > [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of peter.west410
> > Sent: 01 November 2004 19:07
> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> > Subject: Re: [kj] Hypo-pathetically speaking
> >
> >
> > I would say that Osama wants George  W  out.
> >      At the moment America is trying to rebuild Iraq &Afghanistan(will
> > follow).Once Democracy, The Army and Police are in place then Al -Queda
> will
> > have difficulty operating in Iraq(In the future).That is the reason the
> new
> > security forces are under constant attack,That is why many westerners
have
> > been kidnapped,To try to make Western companies abandon the re-building
> > process,An thus leaving Al-Queda a chance to regain the country.
> >    If a new regime took over in USA then they may withdraw ,or at least
> not
> > be so hard-line.
> >     I don't think that there will be an attack on America before the
> > Elections,Because if something was planned ,Then Bin-Laden would nt of
> > released the video .Maybe he does nt have the resources to attack,So
he's
> > trying to scare the electorate into voting Bush out.
> >      I know the Spanish election result had some other factors,But if
the
> > train-bombings never took place then the right -wing government would
have
> > been elected.
> >
> >             PW
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alexandra Tolksdorf" <alexandra.tolksdorf at web.de>
> > To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'"
> > <gathering at misera.net>
> > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 6:33 PM
> > Subject: AW: [kj] Hypo-pathetically speaking
> >
> >
> > Of course bin Laden wants George W. to stay in the White House as he has
> > had a good time with him so far. That's why they broadcast the video
> > now, a few days before the vote. People get scared and think W. will
> > "keep them safe". "Better not risk anything by voting for the new guy."
> > To me it's the product of years of dumbing people down by making a good
> > education too expensive for the majority, and constant instant access to
> > reality-denying mind-numbing TV programmes an easy alternative to real
> > life.
> >
> >
> > Alexandra.(Hamburger.)
> >
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
> > Im Auftrag von Rob
> > Gesendet: Montag, 1. November 2004 17:30
> > An: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'
> > Betreff: RE: [kj] Hypo-pathetically speaking
> >
> > although the Bin Laden broadcast has sent voters sprinting to the Bush
> > camp no? From all of Bin laden's attempt to promote himself as an uber
> > politician, I'm sure he'd rather have Bush in there as it feeds his
> > hunger for a bloody war..........
> >
> > horbag
> > (hoping this site returns to normal after the frenzy over the past week
> > or so)
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
> > [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of first fossil
> > Sent: 01 November 2004 12:43
> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> > Subject: Re: [kj] Hypo-pathetically speaking
> > Good question, but you can't compare the two places and you can't say
> > for sure what effect an attack can have.
> >
> > In the Spanish elections I don't think many people switched sides
> > because of the bombs. The idea is that the attack woke up a huge mass of
> > people who normally wouldn't have given a shit and they went out to vote
> > Socialist. Also the pro-Bush right-wing govt stabbed themselves in the
> > foot by going into propaganda overload trying to blame ETA, the Basque
> > separatist group - people smelt a rat and gave the govt a slap.
> >
> > As Alex says, in USA  I'm sure that the Republicans have prepared a much
> > better thought out plan of action should anything diabolical happen.
> >
> > foss.
> >
> >
> > "peter.west410" <peter.west410 at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > After seeing the latest Bin-laden video,Where he threatens America.
> > Do Americans think there will be another attack before the
> > elections,Because there was an attack on Madrid before the Spanish
> > elections,Which swayed the elections.The right-wing party were heading
> > for
> > victory,The attack happened and the Left got in.
> > In America they say the vote could go either way,So if an attack on
> > America happened,It might just sway it for the left.
> > So Yankee-boys.If an attack happened on American soil(say 1000
> > casualties),Which you knew would get Bush out,Would you quietly
> > rejoice.?
> >
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