[kj] The Courtald Talks/Murder Inc/The Damage Manual
Alex Smith
gathering@misera.net
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I've spun this yarn here before, but I once interviewed the band circa
PANDEMONIUM, and in a foolhardy fit of idiocy, asked Jaz how he responded to
the negative press about him that suggested that he was simply "crying wolf"
in regards to his constant warnings of impending apocalypse. Suffice to say,
his face drained of all humor and gave me a wide-eyed stare that could've
punctured steel, prompting me to sheepishly back down and stammer out some
half-assed apologies. He recovered his affability afterwards, but for a few
moments, I definetely felt some palpable tension that could've spilled over
the edge into serious peril.
Alex in NYC
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From: "Sven Oliver Roth" <rothsvenoliver@hotmail.com>
To: gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] The Courtald Talks/Murder Inc/The Damage Manual
Date: Tue, Sep 30, 2003, 11:32 AM
Well, although I was really stoned I more or less felt that my rather blunt
question would somewhat stirr up the whole solemn atmosphere. I like to be a
bit provocative sometimes. Maybe it was the fact that I don't look very
menacing that Jaz thought it wasn't worth it beating me up LOL
Actually, I wanted to seize the opportunity to get something interesting out
of Jaz by throwing a stone into the water ;) Didn't work though LOL
Jaz had been very nice and relaxed before. Are you serious that he was
likely to get really mad??? I mean, I know some of these stories about
special treatment for music critics but that was 20 years ago. Jaz is a
priest now! And a classical music conductor!
Hmmmm, but not really when he is with the Joke. He was pretty eruptive on
stage and pissed Geordie off so much that he didn't show up backstage after
the show.
Anyway, guess I am safe now ;)
Sven
>From: "Alex Smith"
>Reply-To: gathering@misera.net
>To: gathering@misera.net, gathering@misera.net
>Subject: Re: [kj] The Courtald Talks/Murder Inc/The Damage Manual
>Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:13:49 -0500
>
>
>Jesus, Sven, you were taking your life in your hands. You know that, don't
>you?
>
>Alex in NYC
>
>
>
>----------
>From: "Sven Oliver Roth"
>To: gathering@misera.net
>Subject: Re: [kj] The Courtald Talks/Murder Inc/The Damage Manual
>Date: Tue, Sep 30, 2003, 4:09 AM
>
>
>I REALLY have to buy the Courtald talks myself now. I missed the opportunity
>once many years ago when I listened into it in a shop and opted for a "real
>KL album" instead.
>
>Last Friday I was drinking and smoking backstage after the Hamburg Gig with
>Jaz and Raven and after a while two "KJ veterans" told Jaz that they had
>actually been at the Courtald Talks. Jaz immediately shook off his state of
>exhausted post-gig relaxation and asked with hightened interest how they had
>found it. It obviously means a lot to him. The lads talked a lot about the
>atmosphere, how greatly Geordies Riffs had added to the atmosphere and how
>the savage Joksters sat totally muted with eyes wide open listening to Jaz.
>But nobody even touched upon what Jaz had actually talked about.
>
>After a long solemn pause I just said "So, Jaz, what were you actually up to
>with the Courtauld talks?"
>
>He slowly turned his head into my direction, hurled at me a long stinging
>look from under the brim of his black hat and then turned his eyes slowly
>back into eternity. He started blinking fastly and didn't say anything for
>quite a long time. I was waiting for a very heavy reply.
>
>Unfortunately it was just then that someone in the room started a lengthy
>and cordial farewell marathon which lasted until only Jaz, Raven, me and a
>fourth guy were left in the room.
>
>Then Raven offered me a recording of the gig and we said farewell as well as
>Jaz and Raven where steering towards the exit. I asked Jaz the same question
>again at the door. He stared at me for a moment and left without a word.
>
>Too little time for too many things to explain, I guess.
>
>I guess I really gotta buy the bloody CD to get some answers instead of
>annoying poor Jaz with stupid questions.
>
>So, sorry Jaz and thanks for the Mariuanah, have never been that stoned LOL
>
> >From: Geoffrey ODonoghue
> >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net
> >To: gathering@misera.net
> >Subject: [kj] The Courtald Talks/Murder Inc/The Damage Manual
> >Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:05:11 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Hi all
> >I recently purchased The Courtald Talks, the Murder Inc album (I already
>had the Corpuscle EP) and The Damage Manual EP (>1) and album.
> >I find that I quite enjoy listening to Courtald, especially as I had not
>really heard Jaz speaking at all prior to the 2003 interviews (thanks Mik et
>al). The subject material of the lecture is very interesting and, I think,
>quite topical given the current state of the world. It also seems to me that
>Jaz touches on a number of subjects that he explores more fully later with
>the EXDAVRE lyrics. The only bit where I start rolling my eyes is when he
>starts talking about H.P. Lovecraft and the elder gods (has anyone here read
>Neil Gaiman's Lovecraftian short story? - mine's a pint of Shoggoth's Old
>Peculiar :o). I particularly like Geordie's acoustic guitar backing and the
>bit where Jaz explains and plays the section from Outside The Gate.
> >
> >The Murder Inc album also has not disappointed - I was determined to get it
>after I picked up the Corpuscle EP (for $AUS2!) and really enjoyed it. There
>is some very nice work by Geordie on the album (Gambit sounds like he partly
>recycled the riff from Stay One Jump Ahead). Atkins is not producing so it
>hasn't been f**ked up in that regard. Which brings me to...
> >
> >The Damage Manual - There is obviously some good material and great playing
>on both the EP and album but, as Simon Lee said about the tracks, "someone
>has overproduced them and sucked the raw energy out of most of them". This
>is probably less true of the first 5 tracks of the EP but I can understand
>how Geordie and Wobble were pissed off with the result. The worst example is
>probably Stateless (Delusional Mix) - you can hear from the (somewhat
>better) Laswell Mix that this song has a rather nice Geordie riff that has
>been mixed well back. On the Delusional Mix it is gone.
> >If anyone is interested - the best place to buy these CDs at the moment is
>probably directly from Invisible Records. They currently have a special
>offer - 5 CDs for $20, 10 for $35 etc etc - see
>http://www.invisiblerecords.com/5for20main.htm
> >
> >Geoff
> >
> >
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I've spun this yarn here before, but I once interviewed the band circa PAND=
EMONIUM, and in a foolhardy fit of idiocy, asked Jaz how he responded to the=
negative press about him that suggested that he was simply "crying wol=
f" in regards to his constant warnings of impending apocalypse. Suffice=
to say, his face drained of all humor and gave me a wide-eyed stare that co=
uld've punctured steel, prompting me to sheepishly back down and stammer out=
some half-assed apologies. He recovered his affability afterwards, but for =
a few moments, I definetely felt some palpable tension that could've spilled=
over the edge into serious peril.<BR>
<BR>
Alex in NYC<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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From: "Sven Oliver Roth" <rothsvenoliver@hotmail.com><BR>
To: gathering@misera.net<BR>
Subject: Re: [kj] The Courtald Talks/Murder Inc/The Damage Manual<BR>
Date: Tue, Sep 30, 2003, 11:32 AM<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>Well, although I was really stoned I more or less felt that my =
rather blunt question would somewhat stirr up the whole solemn atmosphere. I=
like to be a bit provocative sometimes. Maybe it was the fact that I don't =
look very menacing that Jaz thought it wasn't worth it beating me up LOL <BR=
>
<BR>
Actually, I wanted to seize the opportunity to get something interesting ou=
t of Jaz by throwing a stone into the water ;) Didn't work though LOL <BR>
<BR>
Jaz had been very nice and relaxed before. Are you serious that he was like=
ly to get really mad??? I mean, I know some of these stories about special t=
reatment for music critics but that was 20 years ago. Jaz is a priest now! A=
nd a classical music conductor! <BR>
<BR>
Hmmmm, but not really when he is with the Joke. He was pretty eruptive on s=
tage and pissed Geordie off so much that he didn't show up backstage after t=
he show. <BR>
<BR>
Anyway, guess I am safe now ;) <BR>
<BR>
Sven<BR>
<BR>
>From: "Alex Smith" <BR>
>Reply-To: <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>gathering@misera.net</U></FONT> <BR>
>To: <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>gathering@misera.net</U></FONT>, <FONT COL=
OR=3D"#0000FF"><U>gathering@misera.net</U></FONT> <BR>
>Subject: Re: [kj] The Courtald Talks/Murder Inc/The Damage Manual <BR>
>Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:13:49 -0500 <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
>Jesus, Sven, you were taking your life in your hands. You know that, do=
n't <BR>
>you? <BR>
> <BR>
>Alex in NYC <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
>---------- <BR>
>From: "Sven Oliver Roth" <BR>
>To: <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>gathering@misera.net</U></FONT> <BR>
>Subject: Re: [kj] The Courtald Talks/Murder Inc/The Damage Manual <BR>
>Date: Tue, Sep 30, 2003, 4:09 AM <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
>I REALLY have to buy the Courtald talks myself now. I missed the opport=
unity <BR>
>once many years ago when I listened into it in a shop and opted for a &=
quot;real <BR>
>KL album" instead. <BR>
> <BR>
>Last Friday I was drinking and smoking backstage after the Hamburg Gig =
with <BR>
>Jaz and Raven and after a while two "KJ veterans" told Jaz th=
at they had <BR>
>actually been at the Courtald Talks. Jaz immediately shook off his stat=
e of <BR>
>exhausted post-gig relaxation and asked with hightened interest how the=
y had <BR>
>found it. It obviously means a lot to him. The lads talked a lot about =
the <BR>
>atmosphere, how greatly Geordies Riffs had added to the atmosphere and =
how <BR>
>the savage Joksters sat totally muted with eyes wide open listening to =
Jaz. <BR>
>But nobody even touched upon what Jaz had actually talked about. <BR>
> <BR>
>After a long solemn pause I just said "So, Jaz, what were you actu=
ally up to <BR>
>with the Courtauld talks?" <BR>
> <BR>
>He slowly turned his head into my direction, hurled at me a long stingi=
ng <BR>
>look from under the brim of his black hat and then turned his eyes slow=
ly <BR>
>back into eternity. He started blinking fastly and didn't say anything =
for <BR>
>quite a long time. I was waiting for a very heavy reply. <BR>
> <BR>
>Unfortunately it was just then that someone in the room started a lengt=
hy <BR>
>and cordial farewell marathon which lasted until only Jaz, Raven, me an=
d a <BR>
>fourth guy were left in the room. <BR>
> <BR>
>Then Raven offered me a recording of the gig and we said farewell as we=
ll as <BR>
>Jaz and Raven where steering towards the exit. I asked Jaz the same que=
stion <BR>
>again at the door. He stared at me for a moment and left without a word=
. <BR>
> <BR>
>Too little time for too many things to explain, I guess. <BR>
> <BR>
>I guess I really gotta buy the bloody CD to get some answers instead of=
<BR>
>annoying poor Jaz with stupid questions. <BR>
> <BR>
>So, sorry Jaz and thanks for the Mariuanah, have never been that stoned=
LOL <BR>
> <BR>
> >From: Geoffrey ODonoghue <BR>
> >Reply-To: <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>gathering@misera.net</U></FONT>=
<BR>
> >To: <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>gathering@misera.net</U></FONT> <BR>
> >Subject: [kj] The Courtald Talks/Murder Inc/The Damage Manual <BR>
> >Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:05:11 -0700 (PDT) <BR>
> > <BR>
> >Hi all <BR>
> >I recently purchased The Courtald Talks, the Murder Inc album (I a=
lready <BR>
>had the Corpuscle EP) and The Damage Manual EP (>1) and album. <BR>
> >I find that I quite enjoy listening to Courtald, especially as I h=
ad not <BR>
>really heard Jaz speaking at all prior to the 2003 interviews (thanks M=
ik et <BR>
>al). The subject material of the lecture is very interesting and, I thi=
nk, <BR>
>quite topical given the current state of the world. It also seems to me=
that <BR>
>Jaz touches on a number of subjects that he explores more fully later w=
ith <BR>
>the EXDAVRE lyrics. The only bit where I start rolling my eyes is when =
he <BR>
>starts talking about H.P. Lovecraft and the elder gods (has anyone here=
read <BR>
>Neil Gaiman's Lovecraftian short story? - mine's a pint of Shoggoth's O=
ld <BR>
>Peculiar :o). I particularly like Geordie's acoustic guitar backing and=
the <BR>
>bit where Jaz explains and plays the section from Outside The Gate. <BR=
>
> > <BR>
> >The Murder Inc album also has not disappointed - I was determined =
to get it <BR>
>after I picked up the Corpuscle EP (for $AUS2!) and really enjoyed it. =
There <BR>
>is some very nice work by Geordie on the album (Gambit sounds like he p=
artly <BR>
>recycled the riff from Stay One Jump Ahead). Atkins is not producing so=
it <BR>
>hasn't been f**ked up in that regard. Which brings me to... <BR>
> > <BR>
> >The Damage Manual - There is obviously some good material and grea=
t playing <BR>
>on both the EP and album but, as Simon Lee said about the tracks, "=
;someone <BR>
>has overproduced them and sucked the raw energy out of most of them&quo=
t;. This <BR>
>is probably less true of the first 5 tracks of the EP but I can underst=
and <BR>
>how Geordie and Wobble were pissed off with the result. The worst examp=
le is <BR>
>probably Stateless (Delusional Mix) - you can hear from the (somewhat <=
BR>
>better) Laswell Mix that this song has a rather nice Geordie riff that =
has <BR>
>been mixed well back. On the Delusional Mix it is gone. <BR>
> >If anyone is interested - the best place to buy these CDs at the m=
oment is <BR>
>probably directly from Invisible Records. They currently have a special=
<BR>
>offer - 5 CDs for $20, 10 for $35 etc etc - see <BR>
><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>http://www.invisiblerecords.com/5for20main.htm=
</U></FONT> <BR>
> > <BR>
> >Geoff <BR>
> > <BR>
> > <BR>
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