[kj] OT: Alex and Christian rock?

Alexi Hamilton gathering@misera.net
Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:48:15 +0000

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<P>Damn, folks...this is wound up.&nbsp;When I actually started reading this thread, I thought Alex had said something REALLY horrible which shocked the hell outta me.&nbsp; He said he hates Christian Rock?&nbsp; Is that what this squabble is about? Or am I missing something? &nbsp;Just to put my two cents in, I LOATHE Christian rock...I also hate R &amp; B...the new crap, that is.&nbsp; But you won't ever see me tossing a white pointy hood on my head and hanging out with white supremecist rednecks.&nbsp; I'm sorry...is rednecks a term to be deemed as a no-no on the list too?&nbsp; Am I offending people?&nbsp; Pity. We all have views and downfalls.&nbsp; </P>
<DIV></DIV>"What's the hurry? We're probably 
<DIV></DIV>going the wrong way anyhow." 
<DIV></DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -Eeyore 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;From: Alexander Smith <VASSIFER@EARTHLINK.NET>
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Reply-To: gathering@misera.net 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;To: gathering@misera.net 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 00:25:22 -0500 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;My comment was only an assertion that I obviously touched a nerve 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;with you given your own particular background. To suggest that I'm 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;prejudiced against all Christians because I don't like Christian 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Rock is like saying I hate all Indians because I don't happen to 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;like Chicken Vindaloo. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;I'm perfectly comfortable with my comments about Christian Rock. If 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;you wanna go listen to it -- you have fun. You being an 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;ex-Evangelical is your own problem. If you want to think I'm 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;prejudiced because I don't like Christian Rock, then fine -- think 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Personally speaking, I'm not a a particular fan of *ANY* religion. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;As far as I'm concerned, it's a herculean waste of time, but I don't 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;begrudge others for their adherence to the faith of their choice. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Just don't ask me to partake. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Happy Holidays. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Alex in NYC 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;On Saturday, December 20, 2003, at 09:41 PM, culture.virus wrote: 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;So were you actually going to respond with a reasoned defense of 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;why your statement was not prejudiced or were you just going to 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;play some sort of passive aggressive ad hominem game. Or have you 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;decided that since I once self identified as evangelical that I am 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;obviously below you and am not capable of seeing things in a 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;objective light? Simply reinforcing an air of prejudice with the 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;comment below may just be a wind-up but if not then would you 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;please explain why you are not prejudiced towards people of a 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;particular faith? 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;At 02:34 PM 12/20/03, you wrote: 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;" And as a former evangelical Xian myself..." 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;Ah, there we go then. That explains it. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;Alex in NYC 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;On Saturday, December 20, 2003, at 03:18 PM, culture.virus wrote: 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;That may be Greg, but that's not what was said. The statement was 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;that the music was by Xians and therefore moot. Evanescence's 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;music is not of the bible-thumping/converting variety. In fact 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;their label pulled their records from the shelves of Xian 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;bookstores because they are something of an anathema to that 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;particular part of the Xian subculture. And as a former 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;evangelical Xian myself I'm well aware of the subculture and it's 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;thought patterns. I also know that there are hundreds of bands 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;in that genre who just want to make the best music they can while 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;not betraying firmly held religious beliefs. Their music may 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;reflect their beliefs, but they don't have conversion as their 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;primary focus. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I also want to reiterate what I was saying before, if it's only 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;music by Xian's that is automatically bad, that is a prejudical 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;statement. I've never heard this list tolerate prejudice in any 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;form and for any off color remarks. Recently in the whole Peter 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;West fiasco somebody used the term "ragheads" to describe Islamic 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;people and was roundly chastised. Two days ago bluceree (and 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;others in the past) called Xians "god-botherers" and not an 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;eyebrow raised. It's really sad and laughable at the same. The 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;one thing that won't be tolerated is intolerance. Isn't that what 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;you said? 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;At 09:21 PM 12/19/03, you wrote: 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I think the reference to Christian music was specifically to 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Christian rock, the bible-thumping purist kind that has as its 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;only goal the conversion of everyone to Christianity. Their 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;listeners often listen to no other music, for fear of being 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;sinners. By the way, religious reggae music is usually 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Rastifarian, which is a different religion that Christianity 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;(although it has aspect of it, as well as Judaism). I don't 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;think it's prejudiced to criticize a type of music that is only 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;bent on converting people, and tends to have listeners that are 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;intolerant of others (such as gays and atheists). 
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