[kj] OT: Alex and Christian rock?
Alexi Hamilton
gathering@misera.net
Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:48:15 +0000
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<P>Damn, folks...this is wound up. When I actually started reading this thread, I thought Alex had said something REALLY horrible which shocked the hell outta me. He said he hates Christian Rock? Is that what this squabble is about? Or am I missing something? Just to put my two cents in, I LOATHE Christian rock...I also hate R & B...the new crap, that is. But you won't ever see me tossing a white pointy hood on my head and hanging out with white supremecist rednecks. I'm sorry...is rednecks a term to be deemed as a no-no on the list too? Am I offending people? Pity. We all have views and downfalls. </P>
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<DIV></DIV>>From: Alexander Smith <VASSIFER@EARTHLINK.NET>
<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: gathering@misera.net
<DIV></DIV>>To: gathering@misera.net
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here?
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 00:25:22 -0500
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<DIV></DIV>>My comment was only an assertion that I obviously touched a nerve
<DIV></DIV>>with you given your own particular background. To suggest that I'm
<DIV></DIV>>prejudiced against all Christians because I don't like Christian
<DIV></DIV>>Rock is like saying I hate all Indians because I don't happen to
<DIV></DIV>>like Chicken Vindaloo.
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<DIV></DIV>>I'm perfectly comfortable with my comments about Christian Rock. If
<DIV></DIV>>you wanna go listen to it -- you have fun. You being an
<DIV></DIV>>ex-Evangelical is your own problem. If you want to think I'm
<DIV></DIV>>prejudiced because I don't like Christian Rock, then fine -- think
<DIV></DIV>>that.
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<DIV></DIV>>Personally speaking, I'm not a a particular fan of *ANY* religion.
<DIV></DIV>>As far as I'm concerned, it's a herculean waste of time, but I don't
<DIV></DIV>>begrudge others for their adherence to the faith of their choice.
<DIV></DIV>>Just don't ask me to partake.
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<DIV></DIV>>Happy Holidays.
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<DIV></DIV>>Alex in NYC
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<DIV></DIV>>On Saturday, December 20, 2003, at 09:41 PM, culture.virus wrote:
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<DIV></DIV>>>So were you actually going to respond with a reasoned defense of
<DIV></DIV>>>why your statement was not prejudiced or were you just going to
<DIV></DIV>>>play some sort of passive aggressive ad hominem game. Or have you
<DIV></DIV>>>decided that since I once self identified as evangelical that I am
<DIV></DIV>>>obviously below you and am not capable of seeing things in a
<DIV></DIV>>>objective light? Simply reinforcing an air of prejudice with the
<DIV></DIV>>>comment below may just be a wind-up but if not then would you
<DIV></DIV>>>please explain why you are not prejudiced towards people of a
<DIV></DIV>>>particular faith?
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<DIV></DIV>>>At 02:34 PM 12/20/03, you wrote:
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<DIV></DIV>>>>" And as a former evangelical Xian myself..."
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<DIV></DIV>>>>Ah, there we go then. That explains it.
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<DIV></DIV>>>>Alex in NYC
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<DIV></DIV>>>>On Saturday, December 20, 2003, at 03:18 PM, culture.virus wrote:
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<DIV></DIV>>>>>That may be Greg, but that's not what was said. The statement was
<DIV></DIV>>>>>that the music was by Xians and therefore moot. Evanescence's
<DIV></DIV>>>>>music is not of the bible-thumping/converting variety. In fact
<DIV></DIV>>>>>their label pulled their records from the shelves of Xian
<DIV></DIV>>>>>bookstores because they are something of an anathema to that
<DIV></DIV>>>>>particular part of the Xian subculture. And as a former
<DIV></DIV>>>>>evangelical Xian myself I'm well aware of the subculture and it's
<DIV></DIV>>>>> thought patterns. I also know that there are hundreds of bands
<DIV></DIV>>>>>in that genre who just want to make the best music they can while
<DIV></DIV>>>>>not betraying firmly held religious beliefs. Their music may
<DIV></DIV>>>>>reflect their beliefs, but they don't have conversion as their
<DIV></DIV>>>>>primary focus.
<DIV></DIV>>>>>
<DIV></DIV>>>>>I also want to reiterate what I was saying before, if it's only
<DIV></DIV>>>>>music by Xian's that is automatically bad, that is a prejudical
<DIV></DIV>>>>>statement. I've never heard this list tolerate prejudice in any
<DIV></DIV>>>>>form and for any off color remarks. Recently in the whole Peter
<DIV></DIV>>>>>West fiasco somebody used the term "ragheads" to describe Islamic
<DIV></DIV>>>>>people and was roundly chastised. Two days ago bluceree (and
<DIV></DIV>>>>>others in the past) called Xians "god-botherers" and not an
<DIV></DIV>>>>>eyebrow raised. It's really sad and laughable at the same. The
<DIV></DIV>>>>>one thing that won't be tolerated is intolerance. Isn't that what
<DIV></DIV>>>>>you said?
<DIV></DIV>>>>>
<DIV></DIV>>>>>At 09:21 PM 12/19/03, you wrote:
<DIV></DIV>>>>>>I think the reference to Christian music was specifically to
<DIV></DIV>>>>>>Christian rock, the bible-thumping purist kind that has as its
<DIV></DIV>>>>>>only goal the conversion of everyone to Christianity. Their
<DIV></DIV>>>>>>listeners often listen to no other music, for fear of being
<DIV></DIV>>>>>>sinners. By the way, religious reggae music is usually
<DIV></DIV>>>>>>Rastifarian, which is a different religion that Christianity
<DIV></DIV>>>>>>(although it has aspect of it, as well as Judaism). I don't
<DIV></DIV>>>>>>think it's prejudiced to criticize a type of music that is only
<DIV></DIV>>>>>>bent on converting people, and tends to have listeners that are
<DIV></DIV>>>>>>intolerant of others (such as gays and atheists).
<DIV></DIV>>>>>
<DIV></DIV>>>>>I am culturevirus
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