From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 27 22:39:52 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Ford Prefect) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 22:39:52 -0000 Subject: [kj] OT: Happy Thankgiving References: <132.27f2fdd1.2cf7c958@aol.com> Message-ID: <002f01c3ccca$588754b0$c6799151@sn7212787026> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C3CCCA.5811AF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable when mentioned to Louisianian (?) folk that we limeys don't do = Thanksgiving, granma asked "do you have christmas over there?" graham ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jelbod@aol.com=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Happy Thankgiving In a message dated 27/11/03 13:17:16 Pacific Standard Time, = djehuti111@yahoo.com writes: a Happy Thanksgiving. A what? but cheers anyway old chap and the same to you. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C3CCCA.5811AF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
when mentioned to = Louisianian (?)=20 folk that we limeys don't do Thanksgiving, granma asked "do you have = christmas=20 over there?"
graham
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jelbod@aol.com
To: gathering@misera.net
Sent: Thursday, November 27, = 2003 9:40=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Happy=20 Thankgiving

In a message dated 27/11/03 13:17:16 Pacific = Standard Time,=20 djehuti111@yahoo.com = writes:

a Happy = Thanksgiving.





A what?=20 but cheers anyway old chap and the same to you.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C3CCCA.5811AF80-- From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 27 22:49:30 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Ford Prefect) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 22:49:30 -0000 Subject: [kj] cover versions Message-ID: <000a01c3cccb$b06c70b0$6827baac@sn7212787026> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3CCCB.B0185D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 thanks for all those covers, added Parallax 1 's we have joy for = padding, removed ms mclaughlin (sorry sarah). s'pose metallica wouldn't = allow the wait. mrs graham hears A-Ha(!) everytime in Love Like Blood and suggests a = version with Morton whtashisface, any chance anybody? graham ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3CCCB.B0185D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    =
thanks for all those = covers, added=20 Parallax 1 's we have joy for padding, removed ms mclaughlin (sorry = sarah).=20 s'pose metallica wouldn't allow the wait.
mrs graham hears = A-Ha(!) everytime in=20 Love Like Blood and suggests a version with Morton whtashisface, any = chance=20 anybody?
graham
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3CCCB.B0185D40-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 1 00:15:40 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gabriella_Wing=E5rdh?=) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 01:15:40 +0100 Subject: [kj] Angor Wat References: <3B11EBD62EE8D411856400508BB824D602026019@encore02.libertylivewire.com> Message-ID: <002401c3b7a0$431beda0$030c43d5@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C3B7A8.A2787D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I happened to come across some info on Angor Wat in Norwegian on the Net = (a kind of family tree with different band/member setups). If you want = to, I can translate that for you (or try to, my Norwegian is not the = best :-) Actually, they remind me of UK Decay... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Meissner=20 To: 'gathering@misera.net'=20 Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: [kj] Angor Wat All this talk about Norwegian bands brings to mind a band = that I'm not sure has ever been mentioned on the list.The band is called = ANGOR WAT.I will attach an address to hear and download an entire album = from ANGOR WAT that came out in 1983.The KILLING JOKE influence on this = band is so strong that it's weird that it came out in 1983.It's like a = cross between KILLING JOKE and old DISORDER(who have lived in Oslo for = many years now).The drums really stand out to me just like KJ.The album = is called "Med Lov Skal Landet Bygges" To hear or download entire album = go to: = http://www.punkrock.no/Default.asp?q=3Df&f=3D%2FAngor+Wat%2FMed+lov+skal+= man++land+bygge PS: This website is a little hidden treasure that I'm sure you will = all make use of.I hope you all enjoy this and be prepared to go out to = buy a new spindle of CDR's cause there is a shitload of "Good" punkrock = and hardcore here.And for all those speaking of TURBONEGRO the past few = days,Get your fix here -Entire! TURBONEGRO Albums can be downloaded at = this website also.BURN BABY!BURN!(CD's that is) = www.punkrock.no/ = Have Fun Kids, = Bill Meissner PSS: The KJ Los Angeles show kicked my ass! I even scored the set list after the show(almost had to fight for it)I'm going to be scanning it and=20 sending it to the list soon.What a night! =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C3B7A8.A2787D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I happened to come across some info on Angor Wat in Norwegian on = the Net (a=20 kind of family tree with different band/member setups). If you want to, = I can=20 translate that for you (or try to, my Norwegian is not the best = :-)
Actually, they remind me of UK Decay...
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill Meissner
To: 'gathering@misera.net' =
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 = 3:31=20 PM
Subject: [kj] Angor Wat

           =  =20 All this talk about Norwegian bands brings to mind a band that I'm not = sure=20 has ever been mentioned on the list.The band is called ANGOR WAT.I = will attach=20 an address to hear and download an entire album from ANGOR WAT that = came out=20 in 1983.The KILLING JOKE influence on this band is so strong that it's = weird=20 that it came out in 1983.It's like a cross between KILLING JOKE and = old=20 DISORDER(who have lived in Oslo for many years now).The drums really = stand out=20 to me just like KJ.The album is called "Med Lov Skal Landet Bygges" To = hear or=20 download entire album go to:

           =             &= nbsp;         =20 http://www.punkrock.no/Default.asp?q=3Df&= ;f=3D%2FAngor+Wat%2FMed+lov+skal+man++land+bygge

   PS: This = website is a=20 little hidden treasure that I'm sure you will all make use of.I hope = you all=20 enjoy this and be prepared to go out to buy a new spindle of CDR's = cause there=20 is a shitload of "Good" punkrock and hardcore here.And for all those = speaking=20 of TURBONEGRO the past few days,Get your fix here -Entire! TURBONEGRO = Albums=20 can be downloaded at this website also.BURN BABY!BURN!(CD's that=20 is)

           =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;           =20 www.punkrock.no/

 

           =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;        =20 Have Fun Kids,

           =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           =20 =             &= nbsp;        Bill=20 Meissner

    PSS: = The KJ Los=20 Angeles show kicked my ass!

           =  =20 I even scored the set list after the show(almost

           =  =20 had to fight for it)I'm going to be scanning it and

           =  =20 sending it to the list soon.What a night!=20 =              =  

------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C3B7A8.A2787D60-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 1 03:37:40 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Thomas Kennedy) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 19:37:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] The Chat Transcript In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031201033740.7518.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1145172252-1070249860=:7147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks for the transcript, Joe.... I couldn't make the chat (was in there earlier) - I had to work early. Tom. Jester wrote: Chat Transcript is up. It is edited, to just carry the important stuff, and you get away from the one banishment we had to do...but now my eyes are crossed. I hope nothing is formatted wrong, so that you CANT read it right. Let me know if there is something wrong with formatting, and I will fix it tomorrow. I need a break from all this the rest of the day... Overall, last night went well....but as usual, one fucking ass hole gets mad and kind of fucks the good mood I was in, up...I fucking love hate mail and shit...the ungrateful, manner-less people can suck the shit right out a my corn hole...fuck them!!!! Anyway, got to http://killing-joke.com/index1.html and follow the links. KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --0-1145172252-1070249860=:7147 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Thanks for the transcript, Joe....   I couldn't make the chat (was in there earlier) - I had to work early.  
 
Tom.
 


Jester <webmaster@killing-joke.com> wrote:
Chat Transcript is up. It is edited, to just carry the important stuff, and you get away from the one banishment we had to do...but now my eyes are crossed. I hope nothing is formatted wrong, so that you CANT read it right. Let me know if there is something wrong with formatting, and I will fix it tomorrow. I need a break from all this the rest of the day...

Overall, last night went well....but as usual, one fucking ass hole gets mad and kind of fucks the good mood I was in, up...I fucking love hate mail and shit...the ungrateful, manner-less people can suck the shit right out a my corn hole...fuck them!!!!


Anyway, got to http://killing-joke.com/index1.html and follow the links.


KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?"
--0-1145172252-1070249860=:7147-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 1 09:39:54 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (fat potanga) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 09:39:54 +0000 Subject: [kj] The Chat Transcript Message-ID: Fuck shit bollocks! You stay off line for the weekend and look what you miss! Thanks for the transcript... These 'events' look interesting, along woth everything else. 2003 was the year of the Joke? 2004 looks set to be bigger and better. Oh tis' a good day today =:¬) ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Alex Smith" Reply-To: gathering@misera.net To: gathering@misera.net, gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] The Chat Transcript Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:34:45 -0500 Nicely done, nicely done.....thanks for posting that. Those Galleries are certainly an interesting concept. Anyway, cheers for that. Alex in NYC.... ---------- From: Jester To: Subject: [kj] The Chat Transcript Date: Sun, Nov 30, 2003, 4:22 PM Chat Transcript is up. It is edited, to just carry the important stuff, and you get away from the one banishment we had to do...but now my eyes are crossed. I hope nothing is formatted wrong, so that you CANT read it right. Let me know if there is something wrong with formatting, and I will fix it tomorrow. I need a break from all this the rest of the day... Overall, last night went well....but as usual, one fucking ass hole gets mad and kind of fucks the good mood I was in, up...I fucking love hate mail and shit...the ungrateful, manner-less people can suck the shit right out a my corn hole...fuck them!!!! Anyway, got to http://killing-joke.com/index1.html and follow the links. KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 1 09:59:24 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Lucy Cornwell) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 09:59:24 -0000 Subject: [kj] The Chat Transcript In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yep same here!! -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of fat potanga Sent: 01 December 2003 09:40 To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] The Chat Transcript Fuck shit bollocks! You stay off line for the weekend and look what you miss! Thanks for the transcript... These 'events' look interesting, along woth everything else. 2003 was the year of the Joke? 2004 looks set to be bigger and better. Oh tis' a good day today =:¬) ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Alex Smith" Reply-To: gathering@misera.net To: gathering@misera.net, gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] The Chat Transcript Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:34:45 -0500 Nicely done, nicely done.....thanks for posting that. Those Galleries are certainly an interesting concept. Anyway, cheers for that. Alex in NYC.... ---------- From: Jester To: Subject: [kj] The Chat Transcript Date: Sun, Nov 30, 2003, 4:22 PM Chat Transcript is up. It is edited, to just carry the important stuff, and you get away from the one banishment we had to do...but now my eyes are crossed. I hope nothing is formatted wrong, so that you CANT read it right. Let me know if there is something wrong with formatting, and I will fix it tomorrow. I need a break from all this the rest of the day... Overall, last night went well....but as usual, one fucking ass hole gets mad and kind of fucks the good mood I was in, up...I fucking love hate mail and shit...the ungrateful, manner-less people can suck the shit right out a my corn hole...fuck them!!!! Anyway, got to http://killing-joke.com/index1.html and follow the links. KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 1 15:32:58 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Nika) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:32:58 +0100 Subject: [kj] The Chat Transcript Message-ID: <20031201153300Z108618-28704+1148608@mail.centrum.cz> Thanks for the transcript, good work. Really too bad I missed the second half of the chat. Nika ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Lucy Cornwell" > Komu: > CC: > Datum: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 09:59:24 -0000 > Předmět: RE: [kj] The Chat Transcript > > Yep same here!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On > Behalf Of fat potanga > Sent: 01 December 2003 09:40 > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] The Chat Transcript > > > Fuck shit bollocks! > You stay off line for the weekend and look what you miss! > > Thanks for the transcript... > > These 'events' look interesting, along woth everything else. > 2003 was the year of the Joke? > 2004 looks set to be bigger and better. > > Oh tis' a good day today =:¬) > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Alex Smith" > Reply-To: gathering@misera.net > To: gathering@misera.net, gathering@misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] The Chat Transcript > Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:34:45 -0500 > > > Nicely done, nicely done.....thanks for posting that. Those Galleries are > certainly an interesting concept. > > Anyway, cheers for that. > > Alex in NYC.... > > > ---------- > From: Jester > To: > Subject: [kj] The Chat Transcript > Date: Sun, Nov 30, 2003, 4:22 PM > > > Chat Transcript is up. It is edited, to just carry the important stuff, and > you get away from the one banishment we had to do...but now my eyes are > crossed. I hope nothing is formatted wrong, so that you CANT read it right. > Let me know if there is something wrong with formatting, and I will fix it > tomorrow. I need a break from all this the rest of the day... > > Overall, last night went well....but as usual, one fucking ass hole gets mad > and kind of fucks the good mood I was in, up...I fucking love hate mail and > shit...the ungrateful, manner-less people can suck the shit right out a my > corn hole...fuck them!!!! > > > Anyway, got to http://killing-joke.com/index1.html > and follow the links. > > > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! > OCCISIO LOCATIO > > THE WEBMASTER, > JESTER > WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM > WWW.PARALLAX1.COM > > There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > > "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or > Gates?" > > _________________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > -------------------- Eurotel Data Nonstop - Neomezený přístup na internet jiľ od 799 Kč měsíčně! http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.eurotel.cz/site/cz/servicesAndTariffs/specialOffer.html?list=34995 From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 1 15:52:58 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 09:52:58 -0600 Subject: [kj] The Chat Transcript In-Reply-To: <20031201153300Z108618-28704+1148608@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: You guys are all very welcome. I am still in shock this happened on our site. Never in a **millennium**, thought that this would happen. In the las= t 24 hours, all touring members of the Joke have been in the chat room. Prove= s that you never know who you will see there. Anyway, thanks to all those that logged on, and for those that weren't able to make it, if you guys like, I can put the entire chat into a PDF document= , and put it on line for download. This would be an unedited chat transcript... Lemme know... Also, talked to Nick last evening, and he will be sending about 30 pictures from the tour, sometime this week. So look for that. On 12/1/03 9:32 AM, "Nika" wrote: > Thanks for the transcript, good work. Really too bad I missed the > second half of the chat. > Nika > ______________________________________________________________ >> Od: "Lucy Cornwell" >> Komu: >> CC:=20 >> Datum: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 09:59:24 -0000 >> P=F8edm=ECt: RE: [kj] The Chat Transcript >>=20 >> Yep same here!! >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] > On >> Behalf Of fat potanga >> Sent: 01 December 2003 09:40 >> To: gathering@misera.net >> Subject: Re: [kj] The Chat Transcript >>=20 >>=20 >> Fuck shit bollocks! >> You stay off line for the weekend and look what you miss! >>=20 >> Thanks for the transcript... >>=20 >> These 'events' look interesting, along woth everything else. >> 2003 was the year of the Joke? >> 2004 looks set to be bigger and better. >>=20 >> Oh tis' a good day today =3D:=AC) >>=20 >> ----Original Message Follows---- >> From: "Alex Smith" >> Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >> To: gathering@misera.net, gathering@misera.net >> Subject: Re: [kj] The Chat Transcript >> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:34:45 -0500 >>=20 >>=20 >> Nicely done, nicely done.....thanks for posting that. Those > Galleries are >> certainly an interesting concept. >>=20 >> Anyway, cheers for that. >>=20 >> Alex in NYC.... >>=20 >>=20 >> ---------- >> From: Jester >> To: >> Subject: [kj] The Chat Transcript >> Date: Sun, Nov 30, 2003, 4:22 PM >>=20 >>=20 >> Chat Transcript is up. It is edited, to just carry the important > stuff, and >> you get away from the one banishment we had to do...but now my eyes > are >> crossed. I hope nothing is formatted wrong, so that you CANT read > it right. >> Let me know if there is something wrong with formatting, and I will > fix it >> tomorrow. I need a break from all this the rest of the day... >>=20 >> Overall, last night went well....but as usual, one fucking ass hole > gets mad >> and kind of fucks the good mood I was in, up...I fucking love hate > mail and >> shit...the ungrateful, manner-less people can suck the shit right > out a my >> corn hole...fuck them!!!! >>=20 >>=20 >> Anyway, got to http://killing-joke.com/index1.html >> and follow the links. >>=20 >>=20 >> KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! >> OCCISIO LOCATIO >>=20 >> THE WEBMASTER, >> JESTER >> WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM >> WWW.PARALLAX1.COM >>=20 >> There is no place like 127.0.0.1 >>=20 >> "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for > Windows or >> Gates?" >>=20 >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! >> http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Gathering mailing list >> Gathering@misera.net >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Gathering mailing list >> Gathering@misera.net >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >>=20 >=20 >=20 > -------------------- > Eurotel Data Nonstop - Neomezen=FD p=F8=EDstup na internet ji=BE od 799 K=E8 m=ECs=ED=E8n= =EC! > http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=3Dhttp://www.eurotel.cz/site/cz/servic= esAnd > Tariffs/specialOffer.html?list=3D34995 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >=20 >=20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 1 17:02:42 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Gabriella Wingardh) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:02:42 +0100 Subject: [kj] The Chat Transcript References: Message-ID: <002401c3b82c$ef52d200$030c43d5@oemcomputer> Yes please, if you will... Missed the whole thing. Murphy=B4s Law? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Jester" To: Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [kj] The Chat Transcript > You guys are all very welcome. I am still in shock this happened on = our > site. Never in a **millennium**, thought that this would happen. In = the last > 24 hours, all touring members of the Joke have been in the chat room. = Proves > that you never know who you will see there. >=20 > Anyway, thanks to all those that logged on, and for those that weren't = able > to make it, if you guys like, I can put the entire chat into a PDF = document, > and put it on line for download. This would be an unedited chat > transcript... >=20 > Lemme know... >=20 > Also, talked to Nick last evening, and he will be sending about 30 = pictures > from the tour, sometime this week. So look for that. >=20 > On 12/1/03 9:32 AM, "Nika" wrote: >=20 > > Thanks for the transcript, good work. Really too bad I missed the > > second half of the chat. > > Nika > > ______________________________________________________________ > >> Od: "Lucy Cornwell" > >> Komu: > >> CC:=20 > >> Datum: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 09:59:24 -0000 > >> P=F8edm=ECt: RE: [kj] The Chat Transcript > >>=20 > >> Yep same here!! > >>=20 > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: gathering-admin@misera.net = [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] > > On > >> Behalf Of fat potanga > >> Sent: 01 December 2003 09:40 > >> To: gathering@misera.net > >> Subject: Re: [kj] The Chat Transcript > >>=20 > >>=20 > >> Fuck shit bollocks! > >> You stay off line for the weekend and look what you miss! > >>=20 > >> Thanks for the transcript... > >>=20 > >> These 'events' look interesting, along woth everything else. > >> 2003 was the year of the Joke? > >> 2004 looks set to be bigger and better. > >>=20 > >> Oh tis' a good day today =3D:=AC) > >>=20 > >> ----Original Message Follows---- > >> From: "Alex Smith" > >> Reply-To: gathering@misera.net > >> To: gathering@misera.net, gathering@misera.net > >> Subject: Re: [kj] The Chat Transcript > >> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:34:45 -0500 > >>=20 > >>=20 > >> Nicely done, nicely done.....thanks for posting that. Those > > Galleries are > >> certainly an interesting concept. > >>=20 > >> Anyway, cheers for that. > >>=20 > >> Alex in NYC.... > >>=20 > >>=20 > >> ---------- > >> From: Jester > >> To: > >> Subject: [kj] The Chat Transcript > >> Date: Sun, Nov 30, 2003, 4:22 PM > >>=20 > >>=20 > >> Chat Transcript is up. It is edited, to just carry the important > > stuff, and > >> you get away from the one banishment we had to do...but now my eyes > > are > >> crossed. I hope nothing is formatted wrong, so that you CANT read > > it right. > >> Let me know if there is something wrong with formatting, and I will > > fix it > >> tomorrow. I need a break from all this the rest of the day... > >>=20 > >> Overall, last night went well....but as usual, one fucking ass hole > > gets mad > >> and kind of fucks the good mood I was in, up...I fucking love hate > > mail and > >> shit...the ungrateful, manner-less people can suck the shit right > > out a my > >> corn hole...fuck them!!!! > >>=20 > >>=20 > >> Anyway, got to http://killing-joke.com/index1.html > >> and follow the links. > >>=20 > >>=20 > >> KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! > >> OCCISIO LOCATIO > >>=20 > >> THE WEBMASTER, > >> JESTER > >> WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM > >> WWW.PARALLAX1.COM > >>=20 > >> There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > >>=20 > >> "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for > > Windows or > >> Gates?" > >>=20 > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! > >> http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband > >>=20 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Gathering mailing list > >> Gathering@misera.net > >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > >>=20 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Gathering mailing list > >> Gathering@misera.net > >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > >>=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > -------------------- > > Eurotel Data Nonstop - Neomezen=FD p=F8=EDstup na internet ji=BE od = 799 K=E8 m=ECs=ED=E8n=EC! > > = http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=3Dhttp://www.eurotel.cz/site/cz/serv= icesAnd > > Tariffs/specialOffer.html?list=3D34995 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! > OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 >=20 > THE WEBMASTER,=20 > JESTER=20 > WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM > WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 >=20 > There is no place like 127.0.0.1 >=20 > "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows = or > Gates?" >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 1 19:34:19 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Marie Lecocq) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:34:19 +0100 Subject: [kj] The Chat Transcript References: Message-ID: <007001c3b842$20599540$7e5e5fc3@p4u07698> Yes, please, please. I was away for the whole week-end and look what I found today. :-) Great news all around!!! Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jester" To: Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [kj] The Chat Transcript > You guys are all very welcome. I am still in shock this happened on our > site. Never in a **millennium**, thought that this would happen. In the last > 24 hours, all touring members of the Joke have been in the chat room. Proves > that you never know who you will see there. > > Anyway, thanks to all those that logged on, and for those that weren't able > to make it, if you guys like, I can put the entire chat into a PDF document, > and put it on line for download. This would be an unedited chat > transcript... > > Lemme know... > > Also, talked to Nick last evening, and he will be sending about 30 pictures > from the tour, sometime this week. So look for that. > > On 12/1/03 9:32 AM, "Nika" wrote: > > > Thanks for the transcript, good work. Really too bad I missed the > > second half of the chat. > > Nika > > ______________________________________________________________ > >> Od: "Lucy Cornwell" > >> Komu: > >> CC: > >> Datum: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 09:59:24 -0000 > >> Předmět: RE: [kj] The Chat Transcript > >> > >> Yep same here!! > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] > > On > >> Behalf Of fat potanga > >> Sent: 01 December 2003 09:40 > >> To: gathering@misera.net > >> Subject: Re: [kj] The Chat Transcript > >> > >> > >> Fuck shit bollocks! > >> You stay off line for the weekend and look what you miss! > >> > >> Thanks for the transcript... > >> > >> These 'events' look interesting, along woth everything else. > >> 2003 was the year of the Joke? > >> 2004 looks set to be bigger and better. > >> > >> Oh tis' a good day today =:¬) > >> > >> ----Original Message Follows---- > >> From: "Alex Smith" > >> Reply-To: gathering@misera.net > >> To: gathering@misera.net, gathering@misera.net > >> Subject: Re: [kj] The Chat Transcript > >> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:34:45 -0500 > >> > >> > >> Nicely done, nicely done.....thanks for posting that. Those > > Galleries are > >> certainly an interesting concept. > >> > >> Anyway, cheers for that. > >> > >> Alex in NYC.... > >> > >> > >> ---------- > >> From: Jester > >> To: > >> Subject: [kj] The Chat Transcript > >> Date: Sun, Nov 30, 2003, 4:22 PM > >> > >> > >> Chat Transcript is up. It is edited, to just carry the important > > stuff, and > >> you get away from the one banishment we had to do...but now my eyes > > are > >> crossed. I hope nothing is formatted wrong, so that you CANT read > > it right. > >> Let me know if there is something wrong with formatting, and I will > > fix it > >> tomorrow. I need a break from all this the rest of the day... > >> > >> Overall, last night went well....but as usual, one fucking ass hole > > gets mad > >> and kind of fucks the good mood I was in, up...I fucking love hate > > mail and > >> shit...the ungrateful, manner-less people can suck the shit right > > out a my > >> corn hole...fuck them!!!! > >> > >> > >> Anyway, got to http://killing-joke.com/index1.html > >> and follow the links. > >> > >> > >> KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! > >> OCCISIO LOCATIO > >> > >> THE WEBMASTER, > >> JESTER > >> WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM > >> WWW.PARALLAX1.COM > >> > >> There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > >> > >> "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for > > Windows or > >> Gates?" > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! > >> http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Gathering mailing list > >> Gathering@misera.net > >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Gathering mailing list > >> Gathering@misera.net > >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > >> > > > > > > -------------------- > > Eurotel Data Nonstop - Neomezený přístup na internet jiľ od 799 Kč měsíčně! > > http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.eurotel.cz/site/cz/servicesA nd > > Tariffs/specialOffer.html?list=34995 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! > OCCISIO LOCATIO > > THE WEBMASTER, > JESTER > WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM > WWW.PARALLAX1.COM > > There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > > "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or > Gates?" > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 1 20:03:32 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:03:32 EST Subject: [kj] (no subject) Message-ID: <1d1.152f34f2.2cfcf894@aol.com> --part1_1d1.152f34f2.2cfcf894_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i have a cassette copy also which i bought in my local record shop in bury st edmunds in in 1982 unfortunately it hasn't been signed but i thought i should share it anyway cheers Steve in bucks --part1_1d1.152f34f2.2cfcf894_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i have a cassette copy also which i bought in my=20= local record shop in bury st edmunds in in 1982 unfortunately it hasn't been= signed but i thought i should share it anyway
cheers Steve in bucks --part1_1d1.152f34f2.2cfcf894_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 1 20:10:16 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:10:16 EST Subject: [kj] STRANGLERS Message-ID: <19c.1d90298e.2cfcfa28@aol.com> --part1_19c.1d90298e.2cfcfa28_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep black & white sure does fucking rock as well as 5 minutes --part1_19c.1d90298e.2cfcfa28_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep black & white sure does fucking rock as w= ell as 5 minutes --part1_19c.1d90298e.2cfcfa28_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 1 21:05:55 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Rob's Arse) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:05:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] STRANGLERS Message-ID: <20031201210555.C0A9F3958@sitemail.everyone.net> I heard a track from the new album "Norfolk Coast" (out Feb 16) some time ago. Believe it or not, it's vintage Stranglers. I was amazed after the pile of shit that was COUP DE GRACE. Maybe they ain't dead after all --- Idolatary@aol.com wrote: Yep black & white sure does fucking rock as well as 5 minutes _____________________________________________________________ Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of worldmap.com) From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 1 22:16:31 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Cliff and Kara Livingston) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:16:31 -0900 Subject: [kj] The Chat Transcript References: Message-ID: <000401c3b858$c76629a0$a38c70d1@antifrz> Hi Jester,i can get you the whole days chatroom event. Alexandra/Hamburger wants her e-mail edited from the record if this will be avail for the general public,please. Thanks Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jester" To: Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [kj] The Chat Transcript You guys are all very welcome. I am still in shock this happened on our site. Never in a **millennium**, thought that this would happen. In the last 24 hours, all touring members of the Joke have been in the chat room. Proves that you never know who you will see there. Anyway, thanks to all those that logged on, and for those that weren't able to make it, if you guys like, I can put the entire chat into a PDF document, and put it on line for download. This would be an unedited chat transcript... Lemme know... Also, talked to Nick last evening, and he will be sending about 30 pictures from the tour, sometime this week. So look for that. On 12/1/03 9:32 AM, "Nika" wrote: > Thanks for the transcript, good work. Really too bad I missed the > second half of the chat. > Nika > ______________________________________________________________ >> Od: "Lucy Cornwell" >> Komu: >> CC: >> Datum: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 09:59:24 -0000 >> Předmět: RE: [kj] The Chat Transcript >> >> Yep same here!! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] > On >> Behalf Of fat potanga >> Sent: 01 December 2003 09:40 >> To: gathering@misera.net >> Subject: Re: [kj] The Chat Transcript >> >> >> Fuck shit bollocks! >> You stay off line for the weekend and look what you miss! >> >> Thanks for the transcript... >> >> These 'events' look interesting, along woth everything else. >> 2003 was the year of the Joke? >> 2004 looks set to be bigger and better. >> >> Oh tis' a good day today =:¬) >> >> ----Original Message Follows---- >> From: "Alex Smith" >> Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >> To: gathering@misera.net, gathering@misera.net >> Subject: Re: [kj] The Chat Transcript >> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:34:45 -0500 >> >> >> Nicely done, nicely done.....thanks for posting that. Those > Galleries are >> certainly an interesting concept. >> >> Anyway, cheers for that. >> >> Alex in NYC.... >> >> >> ---------- >> From: Jester >> To: >> Subject: [kj] The Chat Transcript >> Date: Sun, Nov 30, 2003, 4:22 PM >> >> >> Chat Transcript is up. It is edited, to just carry the important > stuff, and >> you get away from the one banishment we had to do...but now my eyes > are >> crossed. I hope nothing is formatted wrong, so that you CANT read > it right. >> Let me know if there is something wrong with formatting, and I will > fix it >> tomorrow. I need a break from all this the rest of the day... >> >> Overall, last night went well....but as usual, one fucking ass hole > gets mad >> and kind of fucks the good mood I was in, up...I fucking love hate > mail and >> shit...the ungrateful, manner-less people can suck the shit right > out a my >> corn hole...fuck them!!!! >> >> >> Anyway, got to http://killing-joke.com/index1.html >> and follow the links. >> >> >> KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! >> OCCISIO LOCATIO >> >> THE WEBMASTER, >> JESTER >> WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM >> WWW.PARALLAX1.COM >> >> There is no place like 127.0.0.1 >> >> "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for > Windows or >> Gates?" >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! >> http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gathering mailing list >> Gathering@misera.net >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gathering mailing list >> Gathering@misera.net >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >> > > > -------------------- > Eurotel Data Nonstop - Neomezený přístup na internet jiľ od 799 Kč měsíčně! > http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.eurotel.cz/site/cz/servicesAnd > Tariffs/specialOffer.html?list=34995 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 1 22:33:55 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (sade1) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:33:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT-in plain english Message-ID: <20031201223355.52250.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> Thus spake Rumi: "Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns - the ones we don't know we don't know." --- Donald Rumsfeld "...this year's Foot in Mouth award...is courtesy of the Plain English Campaign, a British pressure group that lobbies for... straightforward language." \http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1516&e=1&u=/afp/20031201/od_afp/britain_language_us_031201151353 ===== WHO WOULD JESUS BOMB? "Get me out of the here and now I want to be another here, another..." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 2 00:45:14 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mik Raven) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 00:45:14 -0000 Subject: [kj] Video Links Updated On Web Site References: <20031129230605.40804.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00e601c3b86d$8d396200$0200a8c0@Paulas> For anyone who is interested, thanks to Martin Dupras for hosting the files, I have managed to put video links for practically all the videos on my web site. So, if you always wanted to watch the US pandemonium promo, or see old interviews with the band or see the sunset gun promo, or watch them live in Chicago etc etc....it's all there on the web for you. http://www.no35.dial.pipex.com Pages updated: Side Projects Roskilde (Missing track added) Rock City Promos (some replaced with better quality and the new ones have neen added) Astoria 94 Manchester Interviews Forum Chicago Cincinatti Belgium Let me know if any links do not work properly as I have not had chance to test more than a random sample. Mik From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 2 02:04:18 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:04:18 -0600 Subject: [kj] The Chat Transcript In-Reply-To: <000401c3b858$c76629a0$a38c70d1@antifrz> Message-ID: I will edit it out THIS time, but this is it. If they don?t want their emai= l known on there, DON?T PUT IT THERE...period. Shit my phone number is there...and I don?t give a shit... Jester...put out with people today...completely... On 12/1/03 4:16 PM, "Cliff and Kara Livingston" wrote: > Hi Jester,i can get you the whole days chatroom event. > Alexandra/Hamburger wants her e-mail edited from the record if this will = be > avail for the general public,please. > Thanks Cliff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jester" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:52 AM > Subject: Re: [kj] The Chat Transcript >=20 >=20 > You guys are all very welcome. I am still in shock this happened on our > site. Never in a **millennium**, thought that this would happen. In the l= ast > 24 hours, all touring members of the Joke have been in the chat room. Pro= ves > that you never know who you will see there. >=20 > Anyway, thanks to all those that logged on, and for those that weren't ab= le > to make it, if you guys like, I can put the entire chat into a PDF docume= nt, > and put it on line for download. This would be an unedited chat > transcript... >=20 > Lemme know... >=20 > Also, talked to Nick last evening, and he will be sending about 30 pictur= es > from the tour, sometime this week. So look for that. >=20 > On 12/1/03 9:32 AM, "Nika" wrote: >=20 >> Thanks for the transcript, good work. Really too bad I missed the >> second half of the chat. >> Nika >> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Od: "Lucy Cornwell" >>> Komu: >>> CC: >>> Datum: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 09:59:24 -0000 >>> P=F8edm=ECt: RE: [kj] The Chat Transcript >>>=20 >>> Yep same here!! >>>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] >> On >>> Behalf Of fat potanga >>> Sent: 01 December 2003 09:40 >>> To: gathering@misera.net >>> Subject: Re: [kj] The Chat Transcript >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Fuck shit bollocks! >>> You stay off line for the weekend and look what you miss! >>>=20 >>> Thanks for the transcript... >>>=20 >>> These 'events' look interesting, along woth everything else. >>> 2003 was the year of the Joke? >>> 2004 looks set to be bigger and better. >>>=20 >>> Oh tis' a good day today =3D:=AC) >>>=20 >>> ----Original Message Follows---- >>> From: "Alex Smith" >>> Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >>> To: gathering@misera.net, gathering@misera.net >>> Subject: Re: [kj] The Chat Transcript >>> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:34:45 -0500 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Nicely done, nicely done.....thanks for posting that. Those >> Galleries are >>> certainly an interesting concept. >>>=20 >>> Anyway, cheers for that. >>>=20 >>> Alex in NYC.... >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> ---------- >>> From: Jester >>> To: >>> Subject: [kj] The Chat Transcript >>> Date: Sun, Nov 30, 2003, 4:22 PM >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Chat Transcript is up. It is edited, to just carry the important >> stuff, and >>> you get away from the one banishment we had to do...but now my eyes >> are >>> crossed. I hope nothing is formatted wrong, so that you CANT read >> it right. >>> Let me know if there is something wrong with formatting, and I will >> fix it >>> tomorrow. I need a break from all this the rest of the day... >>>=20 >>> Overall, last night went well....but as usual, one fucking ass hole >> gets mad >>> and kind of fucks the good mood I was in, up...I fucking love hate >> mail and >>> shit...the ungrateful, manner-less people can suck the shit right >> out a my >>> corn hole...fuck them!!!! >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Anyway, got to http://killing-joke.com/index1.html >>> and follow the links. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! >>> OCCISIO LOCATIO >>>=20 >>> THE WEBMASTER, >>> JESTER >>> WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM >>> WWW.PARALLAX1.COM >>>=20 >>> There is no place like 127.0.0.1 >>>=20 >>> "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for >> Windows or >>> Gates?" >>>=20 >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! >>> http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gathering mailing list >>> Gathering@misera.net >>> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gathering mailing list >>> Gathering@misera.net >>> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -------------------- >> Eurotel Data Nonstop - Neomezen=FD p=F8=EDstup na internet ji=BE od 799 K=E8 > m=ECs=ED=E8n=EC! >>=20 > http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=3Dhttp://www.eurotel.cz/site/cz/servic= esAnd >> Tariffs/specialOffer.html?list=3D34995 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Gathering mailing list >> Gathering@misera.net >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >>=20 >>=20 >=20 > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! > OCCISIO LOCATIO >=20 > THE WEBMASTER, > JESTER > WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM > WWW.PARALLAX1.COM >=20 > There is no place like 127.0.0.1 >=20 > "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or > Gates?" >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >=20 >=20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 2 02:40:21 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:40:21 -0600 Subject: [kj] The Chat Transcript In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just to make this sparkling clear...any of you guys can call me at any time. The gathering, for the most part, is family. IF someone wants to dial me, I will be more than happy to chat...even during the all important, Texas Longhorn football/baseball/basketball games. (Isnt that right Alexi...who called me during the Texas vs Nebraska game...and I still talked..no? :-D) On 12/1/03 8:20 PM, "scott.lambeth@hic.gov.au" wrote: > > Speaking of your phone number J, I nearly phoned you on the night that KJ > postponed in Sydney. > Mike from Italy rightly pointed out that it'd be a bit rude to call you, > especially because we didn't know the time difference... > > Nearly though! > > -S > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 2 03:34:07 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 22:34:07 EST Subject: [kj] Bruce the drunk has a new friend he can call... Message-ID: <1ca.153717df.2cfd622f@aol.com> From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 2 09:35:20 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:35:20 +0000 Subject: [kj] the board Message-ID: Is it me or has the message board gone a bit doolally? colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 2 10:19:58 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Simone Wagner) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 02:19:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] the board In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031202101958.75223.qmail@web41214.mail.yahoo.com> --- mike coles wrote: > Is it me or has the message board gone a bit > doolally? > colesy ... do you mean the white background, wrong dates, etc.? sadly i see this too on my monitor. simone > -- > Check out our merchandise at > http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk > ... and you can find more Killing Joke at > http://www.studio-c.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 2 14:59:12 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:59:12 +0000 Subject: [kj] test... Message-ID: ...ing@2.59pm -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 2 16:00:15 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Lucy Cornwell) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:00:15 -0000 Subject: [kj] Democracy?? Message-ID: How many versions of Democracy are there? I have two but have just been nosing through some of the vids on Mik Ravens site and I've never heard the version on there before! I feel a big spending spree coming on and am deciding what to buy first... From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 2 16:14:33 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Phillipps Marc) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:14:33 -0000 Subject: [kj] test... Message-ID: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF18F@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> >...ing@2.59pm Coming through loud and clear . . I think everyone is asleep ? Marc. > -----Original Message----- > From: mike coles [SMTP:mike@maliciousdamage.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 2:59 PM > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: [kj] test... > > ...ing@2.59pm > -- > Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk > ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 2 16:11:29 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bob Barathy) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:11:29 -0000 Subject: [kj] Democracy?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C3B8EE.F1A4C320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How many versions of Democracy are there? I have two but have just been nosing through some of the vids on Mik Ravens site and I've never heard the version on there before! I feel a big spending spree coming on and am deciding what to buy first... _______________________________________________ You can take a look here Lucy to give some idea... http://www.wintergardens.plus.com/singles.html Bob ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C3B8EE.F1A4C320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

How many versions of Democracy are = there? I=20 have two but have just been
nosing through some of the vids on Mik = Ravens=20 site and  I've never heard the
version on there before!
I = feel a big=20 spending spree coming on and am deciding what to buy=20 first...

_______________________________________________
You can take a look here Lucy to give some=20 idea...
http://www.wintergardens.plus.com/singles.html
Bob

------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C3B8EE.F1A4C320-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 2 16:04:23 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Simon Lee) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:04:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] OT Bunnymen Sunday Message-ID: <4971018.1070381063116.JavaMail.root@bushtv-java-3.server.telinco.net> Caught Echo and the Bunnymen at the Shepherds Bush Empire on Sunday. First time I've seen them in 22 years. Interesting to compare them with the Joke as they started at about the same time and, certainly for the first couple of years, shared a number of fans in common. Mac has a great voice, and there were passable renditions of all the hits, but what a difference from when I saw them all those years ago. Then, there was a heaving and passionate audience and a band that really had something. I'm afraid last night showed that they lost that something a long time ago, and no matter how central to it all Mac and Will are, when you lose original members who were part of it you definitely lose something. If your lead singer is up his own arse it isn't always helpful either. So, it only further impressed upon me how phenomenal it is that Killing Joke have retained so much of their passion and mystique. Still enjoyed Over the Wall though. That is one hell of a song. But why is it that every band I see seems to have their sound sorted out except the Joke? It can't be that hard. Si From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 2 16:07:02 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Simon Lee) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:07:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] Jaz in Kerrang Yearbook Message-ID: <7549020.1070381222415.JavaMail.root@bushtv-java-3.server.telinco.net> ------=_Part_207_8079107.1070381222414 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One page interview - the 252nd he has done for the album! One page glossy p= icture of standard maniacal grin. =A33.95. Si > -----Original Message----- > From: no_joke_m8@hotmail.com (no joke) > Sent: Fri Nov 28 22:27:34 GMT 2003 > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: [kj] Joke Free >=20 >=20 > This weeks Kerrang cover disc features Blood On Your Hands. Apart from= =20 > that and the entertainment value provided by Chimaira and Lamb Of God...a= nd=20 > maybe Deftones (hmmm maybe not), all else is a tawdry collection of the s= ort=20 > of bands that start with a half decent chunky riff but quickly decend int= o=20 > pre pubescent boy band whining chorus'....and Kerrang stil insist on=20 > trumpeting that laughable caberet act, living on stolen riffs, known as t= he=20 > Darkness. > Many more bands like this and I'm of down the mall with an uzi > no joke > p >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >=20 > ------=_Part_207_8079107.1070381222414 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Return-path: Envelope-to: slee@bushtv-3-internal.mail.telinco.net Delivery-date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:28:15 +0000 Received: from bushtv-1-internal.mail.telinco.net ([192.168.8.182] helo=bushtv-1.mail.telinco.net) by bushtv-3.mail.telinco.net with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1APr5z-000Czm-00 for slee@bushtv-3-internal.mail.telinco.net; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:28:15 +0000 Received: from [216.92.1.120] (helo=four.pairlist.net) by bushtv-1.mail.telinco.net with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #7) id 1APr5z-000INi-00; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:28:15 +0000 Received: from four.pairlist.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by four.pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FD68DBD2; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 17:28:14 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: gathering@four.pairlist.net Received: from mu.pair.com (mu.pair.com [209.68.1.23]) by four.pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C1CCBDB5F for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 17:27:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16990 invoked by uid 7122); 28 Nov 2003 22:27:35 -0000 Delivered-To: misera-misera:net-gathering@misera.net Received: (qmail 16987 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2003 22:27:35 -0000 Received: from law12-f71.law12.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.19.71) by mu.pair.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2003 22:27:35 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:27:35 -0800 Received: from 62.64.205.160 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:27:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [62.64.205.160] X-Originating-Email: [no_joke_m8@hotmail.com] From: "no joke" To: gathering@misera.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2003 22:27:35.0235 (UTC) FILETIME=[D2604130:01C3B5FE] Subject: [kj] Joke Free Sender: gathering-admin@misera.net Errors-To: gathering-admin@misera.net X-BeenThere: gathering@misera.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gathering@misera.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:27:34 +0000 This weeks Kerrang cover disc features Blood On Your Hands. Apart from that and the entertainment value provided by Chimaira and Lamb Of God...and maybe Deftones (hmmm maybe not), all else is a tawdry collection of the sort of bands that start with a half decent chunky riff but quickly decend into pre pubescent boy band whining chorus'....and Kerrang stil insist on trumpeting that laughable caberet act, living on stolen riffs, known as the Darkness. Many more bands like this and I'm of down the mall with an uzi no joke p _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------=_Part_207_8079107.1070381222414-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 2 17:08:03 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dirk Kingerske) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:08:03 +0100 Subject: [kj] Democracy?? Message-ID:

bob, your work????? well, done....! didn't know about this site???

 

dirk

>From: "Bob Barathy"
>Reply-To: gathering@misera.net
>To:
>Subject: RE: [kj] Democracy??
>Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:11:29 -0000
>
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>How many versions of Democracy are there? I have two but have just been
>nosing through some of the vids on Mik Ravens site and  I've never heard the
>version on there before!
>I feel a big spending spree coming on and am deciding what to buy first...
>
>_______________________________________________
>You can take a look here Lucy to give some idea...
>http://www.wintergardens.plus.com/singles.html
>
>Bob

MSN Easysurfer - Surfen Sie für 1,35 Cent / Minute Hier klicken From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 2 17:50:32 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:50:32 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT Bunnymen Sunday Message-ID: <0FC062D2.31122954.00173524@aol.com> Sounds like the recent revitalization of the Bunnymen has ebbs and flows. Peaks and valleys as it were. I've been enthused about their return since the Evergreen cd in mid 90s and for that tour, they were positively devastating. Everything clicked--the energy was there, unabated by the new touring sidemen. That was a few years ago already-my how time flies! I hope they continue to have more "rebirths" and if Ian can uncork his head from his arse (not holding my breath) it would help. I can't believe that they are creatively spent; their recent output is underrated in my opinion by people who just want to hear Crocodiles rehashed. Agreed that Over the Wall done in concert is always a spine tingler and not too far removed from the mid-era KJ aesthetic! From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 2 18:08:21 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mattdunn) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:08:21 -0000 Subject: [kj] OT Bunnymen Sunday In-Reply-To: <0FC062D2.31122954.00173524@aol.com> Message-ID: i agree that they're still worth the effort. Have seen them several times over the last few years and i reckon, if anything, mac's voice has improved. Some of the old songs sound great, even the later stuff like Lips Like Sugar and Dancing Horses. However, they keep doing greatest hits sets. That last album Flowers was great, but they only do one song from it live now I believe? -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of FlumeDC@aol.com Sent: 02 December 2003 17:51 To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] OT Bunnymen Sunday Sounds like the recent revitalization of the Bunnymen has ebbs and flows. Peaks and valleys as it were. I've been enthused about their return since the Evergreen cd in mid 90s and for that tour, they were positively devastating. Everything clicked--the energy was there, unabated by the new touring sidemen. That was a few years ago already-my how time flies! I hope they continue to have more "rebirths" and if Ian can uncork his head from his arse (not holding my breath) it would help. I can't believe that they are creatively spent; their recent output is underrated in my opinion by people who just want to hear Crocodiles rehashed. Agreed that Over the Wall done in concert is always a spine tingler and not too far removed from the mid-era KJ aesthetic! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 2 19:05:22 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Thomas Kennedy) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:05:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] Democracy?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031202190522.31785.qmail@web80411.mail.yahoo.com> --0-375775644-1070391922=:31592 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I USED to have the cd-single of 'Democracy' which had about 4 re-mixes on it. Also, featured the song 'Mass'..... Tom. Lucy Cornwell wrote: How many versions of Democracy are there? I have two but have just been nosing through some of the vids on Mik Ravens site and I've never heard the version on there before! I feel a big spending spree coming on and am deciding what to buy first... _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering --0-375775644-1070391922=:31592 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I USED to have the cd-single of 'Democracy' which had about 4 re-mixes on it.  Also, featured the song 'Mass'.....
 
Tom.
 


Lucy Cornwell <lucy.cornwell@vetstream.com> wrote:

How many versions of Democracy are there? I have two but have just been
nosing through some of the vids on Mik Ravens site and I've never heard the
version on there before!
I feel a big spending spree coming on and am deciding what to buy first...

_______________________________________________
Gathering mailing list
Gathering@misera.net
http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
--0-375775644-1070391922=:31592-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 2 19:20:18 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:20:18 -0600 Subject: [kj] Chat with the Joke 11/30/2003 Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3153216019_21366010 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The full chat transcript will be up later today or tomorrow, when I get a chance to dump it into PDF format and upload it. KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3153216019_21366010 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Chat with the Joke 11/30/2003 The full chat transcrip= t will be up later today or tomorrow, when I get a chance to dump it into PD= F format and upload it.




KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?" --B_3153216019_21366010-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 2 22:28:50 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (sade1) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:28:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT Bunnymen Sunday In-Reply-To: <4971018.1070381063116.JavaMail.root@bushtv-java-3.server.telinco.net> Message-ID: <20031202222850.63813.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Happy to hear you caught the show. I had to pass on them this time around, but next time for sure. Did they leave out any notable songs or was the set pretty thorough? Saul --- Simon Lee wrote: > Caught Echo and the Bunnymen at the Shepherds Bush Empire on > Sunday. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 2 22:36:03 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (sade1) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:36:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT Sunnymen Funday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031202223603.83465.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> I agree, but the twice i've seen them, Ian wasn't hitting those sustained high notes on "the cutter"or other similar. Nor on the Live CD released last year(?). Still wearin'the dark getup and "I'm too cool for this but I'll sing to you anyway, hehe" sunglasses. Saul --- mattdunn wrote: > i agree that they're still worth the effort. Have seen them > several times > over the last few years and i reckon, if anything, mac's voice > has improved. ===== WHO WOULD JESUS BOMB? "Get me out of the here and now I want to be another here, another..." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 2 22:38:44 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:38:44 -0500 Subject: [kj] test... Message-ID: <200312022239.hB2MdBcw020977@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Reading you loud and clear, Mike! Ale xin NYC ---------- >From: mike coles >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: [kj] test... >Date: Tue, Dec 2, 2003, 9:59 AM > >...ing@2.59pm >-- >Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk >... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 3 03:16:19 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?Marcos=20Santiago?=) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:16:19 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] OT Bunnymen Sunday......greatttttttttttt In-Reply-To: <4971018.1070381063116.JavaMail.root@bushtv-java-3.server.telinco.net> Message-ID: <20031203031619.19572.qmail@web41603.mail.yahoo.com> well my friend in my opinion the joke were unique in the world...that is why iwill always say that jaz iua my personal god....i really enjoy when somebody about another great bands the same era like the joke...like the banshees and now the bunnymen... i hope somebody will love to talk about of the sound another magnificent band which was forgotten for so many people ..they were fantastic...and of course geldof and the rats...but please dont ever toalkj again about the fucking crap named NIRVANA that shit really pissed me off....... burn in hell kurt ..you moran ............ i agree mac has a great voice but he will have much better if he quits smoke...tabacco is killing him cheers from venezuela...Mauricio --- Simon Lee escribió: > Caught Echo and the Bunnymen at the Shepherds Bush > Empire on Sunday. First time I've seen them in 22 > years. Interesting to compare them with the Joke as > they started at about the same time and, certainly > for the first couple of years, shared a number of > fans in common. > > Mac has a great voice, and there were passable > renditions of all the hits, but what a difference > from when I saw them all those years ago. Then, > there was a heaving and passionate audience and a > band that really had something. I'm afraid last > night showed that they lost that something a long > time ago, and no matter how central to it all Mac > and Will are, when you lose original members who > were part of it you definitely lose something. If > your lead singer is up his own arse it isn't always > helpful either. > > So, it only further impressed upon me how phenomenal > it is that Killing Joke have retained so much of > their passion and mystique. > > Still enjoyed Over the Wall though. That is one hell > of a song. > > But why is it that every band I see seems to have > their sound sorted out except the Joke? It can't be > that hard. > > Si > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Información de Estados Unidos y América Latina, en Yahoo! Noticias. Visítanos en http://noticias.espanol.yahoo.com From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 3 03:31:09 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:31:09 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] OT Bunnymen Sunday......greatttttttttttt In-Reply-To: <20031203031619.19572.qmail@web41603.mail.yahoo.com> from "=?iso-8859-1?q?Marcos=20Santiago?=" at Dec 02, 2003 09:16:19 PM Message-ID: <200312030331.hB33V9qI027524@basil.jkm.net> > well my friend in my opinion the joke were unique in > the world...that is why iwill always say that jaz > iua my personal god....i really enjoy when somebody > about another great bands the same era like the > joke...like the banshees and now the bunnymen... The Killing Joke list is very lively but quite different to this one. Everyone is still very sleepy from Sunday early morning when the Joke did a live chat from New Zealand -- 9.13 pm their time, which was 8.13 am in the UK, and -- I'm guessing here -- probably about 3.13 am your time. Lots of good stuff. They are playing in my city in March! > i hope somebody will love to talk about of the sound > another magnificent band which was forgotten for so > many people ..they were fantastic...and of course > geldof and the rats...but please dont ever toalkj > again about the fucking crap named NIRVANA > that shit really pissed me off....... Hmmmmm..... I wasn't into the American grunge scene, but I did like Nirvana, and Dave Grohl played with the Joke on their latest album. On the KJ list I brought up The Stranglers, and everyone is now fondly remembering their favourites, like Siouxsie & The Banshees, and passionately discussing which song or album is best. There are two great blokes here from South America (besides you ;-) ) one in Peru and one in Brazil. I would write to you in Spanish, but my Spanish is as bad as George Bush's English ;-) Amy > i agree mac has a great voice but he will have much > better if he quits smoke...tabacco is killing him I agree -- but others think that his voice is fine, or that the tobacco has added something. From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 3 03:57:09 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (sade1) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:57:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT Bunnymen Sunday......greatttttttttttt In-Reply-To: <200312030331.hB33V9qI027524@basil.jkm.net> Message-ID: <20031203035709.30647.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> > > i agree mac has a great voice but he will have much > > better if he quits smoke...tabacco is killing him > > I agree -- but others think that his voice is fine, > or that the tobacco has added something. I think his voice has gotten a little bit 'warmer' over the years, sort of 'jazzy'. Cigarettes were my first guess too. When I saw him play in '99(L.A.-the Mayan) he smoked right thru the whole show. Didn't seem to affect him one bit. ===== WHO WOULD JESUS BOMB? "Get me out of the here and now I want to be another here, another..." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 3 04:46:28 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 23:46:28 EST Subject: [kj] OT Bunnymen Sunday......greatttttttttttt Message-ID: <67.1d8dc49b.2cfec4a4@aol.com> --part1_67.1d8dc49b.2cfec4a4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree that Nirvana basically suck. They started that whole "grundge", fake retro-metal garbage with no good songs and phony screaming vocals. It was lumped in with punk and "alternative", but to me it was an attack on punk--it sounded like everything punk was inspried to fight against... --part1_67.1d8dc49b.2cfec4a4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree that Nirvana basically suck. They started that= whole "grundge", fake retro-metal garbage with no good songs and phony scre= aming vocals. It was lumped in with punk and "alternative", but to me it was= an attack on punk--it sounded like everything punk was inspried to fight ag= ainst... --part1_67.1d8dc49b.2cfec4a4_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 3 04:52:00 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 04:52:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] Democracy?? Message-ID: <1828461.1070427120603.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> this site is a nice piece of work - cheers N http://www.wintergardens.plus.com/singles.html > from: Bob Barathy > date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 16:11:29 > to: gathering@misera.net > subject: RE: [kj] Democracy?? > > > > How many versions of Democracy are there? I have two but have just been > nosing through some of the vids on Mik Ravens site and I've never heard the > version on there before! > I feel a big spending spree coming on and am deciding what to buy first... > > _______________________________________________ > You can take a look here Lucy to give some idea... > http://www.wintergardens.plus.com/singles.html > > Bob -- 'Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum' -- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 3 08:51:42 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Astrid Pretterhofer) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:51:42 +0100 (MET) Subject: [kj] OT Bunnymen Sunday......greatttttttttttt References: <200312030331.hB33V9qI027524@basil.jkm.net> Message-ID: <16539.1070441502@www68.gmx.net> > > i agree mac has a great voice but he will have much > > better if he quits smoke...tabacco is killing him > > I agree -- but others think that his voice is fine, > or that the tobacco has added something. maybe it's like with Leonard Cohen: his voice is so much more special now, after all those cigarettes and the alcohol with the years than when he was young and his voice plain. Astrid. -- +++ GMX - die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More +++ Neu: Preissenkung für MMS und FreeMMS! http://www.gmx.net From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 3 10:54:38 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Phillipps Marc) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:54:38 -0000 Subject: [kj] Saturday . . Message-ID: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF193@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> So, who's coming ? Where are we meeting ?? Time ? (7:30 - 8:00 ish ?) Marc. This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 3 12:33:47 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Simon Lee) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 12:33:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] OT Bunnymen Sunday Message-ID: <7226213.1070454827100.JavaMail.root@bushtv-java-2.server.telinco.net> ------=_Part_82_2722098.1070454827099 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As far as hits go, no, it was all there (apart from Viliers' Terrace, Promise, People Are Strange), but I'd prefer a more Joke oriented approach. I'd get sick of seeing Eighties, Love Like Blood and Millennium every time they played. I'd like the Bunnymen to give more of an airing to the dark and underrated Porcupine stuff. Si > -----Original Message----- > From: saulomar1@yahoo.com (sade1) > Sent: Tue Dec 02 22:28:50 GMT 2003 > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] OT Bunnymen Sunday > > Happy to hear you caught the show. I had to pass on them this > time around, but next time for sure. > Did they leave out any notable songs or was the set pretty > thorough? > > Saul > > --- Simon Lee wrote: > > Caught Echo and the Bunnymen at the Shepherds Bush Empire on > > Sunday. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > ------=_Part_82_2722098.1070454827099 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Return-path: Envelope-to: slee@bushtv-3-internal.mail.telinco.net Delivery-date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 22:36:36 +0000 Received: from bushtv-1-internal.mail.telinco.net ([192.168.8.182] helo=bushtv-1.mail.telinco.net) by bushtv-3.mail.telinco.net with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1ARJ8G-000DZv-00 for slee@bushtv-3-internal.mail.telinco.net; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 22:36:36 +0000 Received: from [216.92.1.120] (helo=four.pairlist.net) by bushtv-1.mail.telinco.net with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #7) id 1ARJ8F-000JIA-00; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 22:36:35 +0000 Received: from four.pairlist.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by four.pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA035DB7F; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:36:33 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: gathering@four.pairlist.net Received: from mu.pair.com (mu.pair.com [209.68.1.23]) by four.pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D4F33DA89 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:28:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 70422 invoked by uid 7122); 2 Dec 2003 22:28:50 -0000 Delivered-To: misera-misera:net-gathering@misera.net Received: (qmail 70419 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 22:28:50 -0000 Received: from web11501.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.172.46) by mu.pair.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 22:28:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20031202222850.63813.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.62.77.61] by web11501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:28:50 PST From: sade1 Subject: Re: [kj] OT Bunnymen Sunday To: gathering@misera.net In-Reply-To: <4971018.1070381063116.JavaMail.root@bushtv-java-3.server.telinco.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gathering-admin@misera.net Errors-To: gathering-admin@misera.net X-BeenThere: gathering@misera.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gathering@misera.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:28:50 -0800 (PST) Happy to hear you caught the show. I had to pass on them this time around, but next time for sure. Did they leave out any notable songs or was the set pretty thorough? Saul --- Simon Lee wrote: > Caught Echo and the Bunnymen at the Shepherds Bush Empire on > Sunday. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------=_Part_82_2722098.1070454827099-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 3 12:36:46 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Simon Lee) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 12:36:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] OT Bunnymen in Smoke Message-ID: <3403998.1070455006863.JavaMail.root@bushtv-java-2.server.telinco.net> ------=_Part_84_8303462.1070455006862 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Apparently Bowie's voice is much better now he's given up smoking - reaches= all the high notes he hasn't visited in the last 20 years. Si > -----Original Message----- > From: patrick_bate_man@gmx.net (Astrid Pretterhofer) > Sent: Wed Dec 03 08:51:42 GMT 2003 > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] OT Bunnymen Sunday......greatttttttttttt >=20 > > > i agree mac has a great voice but he will have much > > > better if he quits smoke...tabacco is killing him > >=20 > > I agree -- but others think that his voice is fine, > > or that the tobacco has added something. >=20 >=20 > maybe it's like with Leonard Cohen: his voice is so much more special now= , > after all those cigarettes and the alcohol with the years than when he wa= s > young and his voice plain. >=20 > Astrid. >=20 > --=20 > +++ GMX - die erste Adresse f=FCr Mail, Message, More +++ > Neu: Preissenkung f=FCr MMS und FreeMMS! http://www.gmx.net >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >=20 > ------=_Part_84_8303462.1070455006862 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Return-path: Envelope-to: slee@bushtv-3-internal.mail.telinco.net Delivery-date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:19:35 +0000 Received: from bushtv-1-internal.mail.telinco.net ([192.168.8.182] helo=bushtv-1.mail.telinco.net) by bushtv-3.mail.telinco.net with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1ARTAV-0009bi-00 for slee@bushtv-3-internal.mail.telinco.net; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:19:35 +0000 Received: from [216.92.1.120] (helo=four.pairlist.net) by bushtv-1.mail.telinco.net with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #7) id 1ARTAU-0003DF-00; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:19:35 +0000 Received: from four.pairlist.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by four.pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1255FDAD1; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 03:52:46 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: gathering@four.pairlist.net Received: from mu.pair.com (mu.pair.com [209.68.1.23]) by four.pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8DE98DAC8 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 03:51:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 87282 invoked by uid 7122); 3 Dec 2003 08:51:44 -0000 Delivered-To: misera-misera:net-gathering@misera.net Received: (qmail 87275 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 08:51:44 -0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net (213.165.64.20) by mu.pair.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 08:51:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 22623 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2003 08:51:42 -0000 Received: from 212.152.246.172 by www68.gmx.net with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:51:42 +0100 (MET) From: "Astrid Pretterhofer" To: gathering@misera.net MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200312030331.hB33V9qI027524@basil.jkm.net> Subject: Re: [kj] OT Bunnymen Sunday......greatttttttttttt X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Authenticated: #20007088 Message-ID: <16539.1070441502@www68.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange) X-Flags: 0001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gathering-admin@misera.net Errors-To: gathering-admin@misera.net X-BeenThere: gathering@misera.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gathering@misera.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:51:42 +0100 (MET) > > i agree mac has a great voice but he will have much > > better if he quits smoke...tabacco is killing him > > I agree -- but others think that his voice is fine, > or that the tobacco has added something. maybe it's like with Leonard Cohen: his voice is so much more special now, after all those cigarettes and the alcohol with the years than when he was young and his voice plain. Astrid. -- +++ GMX - die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More +++ Neu: Preissenkung für MMS und FreeMMS! http://www.gmx.net _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------=_Part_84_8303462.1070455006862-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 3 18:22:51 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 12:22:51 -0600 Subject: [kj] Killing Joke Chat is UP Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3153298973_26367372 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit http://killing-joke.com/joke_chat1.pdf KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3153298973_26367372 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Killing Joke Chat is UP http://killing-joke.com/joke_= chat1.pdf


 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3153298973_26367372-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 3 21:52:37 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (ade) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:52:37 -0000 Subject: [kj] OT Bunnymen Sunday......greatttttttttttt In-Reply-To: <67.1d8dc49b.2cfec4a4@aol.com> Message-ID: <002d01c3b9e7$c503f260$0200a8c0@thelab.local> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C3B9E7.C503F260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I first heard Teen Spirit, I was wondering why The Pixies were releasing such simplistic stuff - it was THAT derivitive. Except the vocals didn't sound like Frank of course. -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of GregSlawson@aol.com Sent: 03 December 2003 04:46 To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] OT Bunnymen Sunday......greatttttttttttt I agree that Nirvana basically suck. They started that whole "grundge", fake retro-metal garbage with no good songs and phony screaming vocals. It was lumped in with punk and "alternative", but to me it was an attack on punk--it sounded like everything punk was inspried to fight against... ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C3B9E7.C503F260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
When I=20 first heard Teen Spirit, I was wondering why The Pixies were releasing=20 such
simplistic stuff - it was THAT derivitive. Except the vocals = didn't sound=20 like Frank of course.
-----Original Message-----
From: = gathering-admin@misera.net=20 [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of=20 GregSlawson@aol.com
Sent: 03 December 2003 = 04:46
To:=20 gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] OT Bunnymen=20 Sunday......greatttttttttttt

I agree=20 that Nirvana basically suck. They started that whole "grundge", fake=20 retro-metal garbage with no good songs and phony screaming vocals. It = was=20 lumped in with punk and "alternative", but to me it was an attack on = punk--it=20 sounded like everything punk was inspried to fight against...=20
------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C3B9E7.C503F260-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 3 22:02:12 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (ade) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 22:02:12 -0000 Subject: [kj] OT Bunnymen Sunday......greatttttttttttt In-Reply-To: <20031203035709.30647.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003201c3b9e9$1ba061c0$0200a8c0@thelab.local> I much prefer mac's voice the way it was - though if you watch that live DVD he seems to be making the effort to hit SOME of the notes again. It's not even the sound of his voice - it's the fact that he sounds like he can't bothered & seems to be more interested in looking 'cool'. I saw them when they first came back with Les on bass & it was an epiphany :) Sadly I've seen them decline & I thought they were a write-off until I saw that live dvd - top-clarss!! The bunnymen get a lot of bashing, but you've only got to listen to earlier stuff to see why they were Liverpools' Joy Division & like that band they moved on to great influence & musical sophistication. My two penneth. ade. -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of sade1 Sent: 03 December 2003 03:57 To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] OT Bunnymen Sunday......greatttttttttttt > > i agree mac has a great voice but he will have much > > better if he quits smoke...tabacco is killing him > > I agree -- but others think that his voice is fine, > or that the tobacco has added something. I think his voice has gotten a little bit 'warmer' over the years, sort of 'jazzy'. Cigarettes were my first guess too. When I saw him play in '99(L.A.-the Mayan) he smoked right thru the whole show. Didn't seem to affect him one bit. ===== WHO WOULD JESUS BOMB? "Get me out of the here and now I want to be another here, another..." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 3 22:37:03 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mik Raven) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 22:37:03 -0000 Subject: [kj] Saturday . . References: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF193@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> Message-ID: <002901c3b9ed$fa401fc0$0200a8c0@Paulas> Me and Paula will be there. not sure what time yet. Depends when we can be bothered to set off. Probably at the arms around 6-7pm. Don't think it's a good choice myself, never anywhere to sit. Why aren't we going to the Enterprise instead? Mik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillipps Marc" To: "'Gathering'" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:54 AM Subject: [kj] Saturday . . > > So, who's coming ? > > Where are we meeting ?? > > Time ? (7:30 - 8:00 ish ?) > > > Marc. > > > This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally > privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you > are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of > distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within > is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and > destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any > liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This > communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet Enfield > & Haringey Health Communities. > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 3 23:21:13 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Wayne Walker) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 23:21:13 +0000 Subject: [kj] Unspeakable CD Message-ID: I've got a spare copy of this, recently found while organising my loft. I don't want to put it on eBay as there's enough people making cash from Gathering contributed tracks already, but if anyone wants to trade something for it then please mail me off list. I'm based in the UK but will send it anywhere. For those who haven't heard of it before, it's a 2 CDR set of B-sides and other assorted tracks which never made it onto albums. _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 3 23:58:05 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Ford Prefect) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 23:58:05 -0000 Subject: [kj] Killing Joke Chat is UP References: Message-ID: <000b01c3b9f9$4bd436e0$9f342ed9@sn7212787026> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3B9F9.4B5569F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Killing Joke Chat is UPthanks for that Jester, I was just off a = nightshift for that chat and the memory missed loads of it. You're a = star. graham ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jester=20 To: Gathering=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 6:22 PM Subject: [kj] Killing Joke Chat is UP http://killing-joke.com/joke_chat1.pdf KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!=20 OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows = or Gates?" ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3B9F9.4B5569F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Killing Joke Chat is UP
thanks for that Jester, = I was just=20 off a nightshift for that chat and the memory missed loads of it. You're = a=20 star.
 
graham
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jester
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, = 2003 6:22=20 PM
Subject: [kj] Killing Joke Chat = is=20 UP

http://killing-joke.com/j= oke_chat1.pdf



KEEPING THE FIRE=20 ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER, =
JESTER=20
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20

There is no place like 127.0.0.1

"In = a world=20 without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or=20 Gates?"
 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3B9F9.4B5569F0-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 00:13:48 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mik Raven) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 00:13:48 -0000 Subject: [kj] Oakville Police Picnic Toronto 1981 References: <000b01c3b9f9$4bd436e0$9f342ed9@sn7212787026> Message-ID: <00a501c3b9fb$7d867700$0200a8c0@Paulas> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C3B9FB.7D0957C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Killing Joke Chat is UPIt's been a bit quiet on here lately so I suppose = you'll all need something to listen to. Here's an interesting one - = Oakville Police picnic in 1981. What's the story behind this then? = Anyone? http://www.no35.dial.pipex.com/01Wardance.mp3 http://www.no35.dial.pipex.com/02Fall.mp3 http://www.no35.dial.pipex.com/03Exit.mp3 http://www.no35.dial.pipex.com/04Wait.mp3 http://www.no35.dial.pipex.com/05Requiem.mp3 http://www.no35.dial.pipex.com/06Unspeakable.mp3 http://www.no35.dial.pipex.com/07Bloodsport.mp3 http://www.no35.dial.pipex.com/08Change.mp3 http://www.no35.dial.pipex.com/09Psyche.mp3 I shall leave these files on line for about one week so if anyone would = like to mirror them (Ade? Bo?) please feel free to do so. Mik ------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C3B9FB.7D0957C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Killing Joke Chat is UP
It's been a bit quiet on here lately so = I suppose=20 you'll all need something to listen to. Here's an interesting one - = Oakville=20 Police picnic in 1981. What's the story behind this then? = Anyone?
 
http://www.no35.di= al.pipex.com/01Wardance.mp3
 
 
 
 
 
http://www.no35.dial.pipex.com/06Unspeakable.mp3
 
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I shall leave these files on line for = about one=20 week so if anyone would like to mirror them (Ade? Bo?) please feel free = to do=20 so.
 
Mik
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C3B9FB.7D0957C0-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 00:30:01 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Eric Hasler) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:30:01 -0500 Subject: [kj] Oakville Police Picnic Toronto 1981 References: <000b01c3b9f9$4bd436e0$9f342ed9@sn7212787026> <00a501c3b9fb$7d867700$0200a8c0@Paulas> Message-ID: <018601c3b9fd$c1a227c0$534b3141@bloor.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0183_01C3B9D3.D8676A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Killing Joke Chat is UPthank oh so much...was the only show in toronto = area i missed...now all we have to do is find the show from sibohan bar = in kennsington area. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mik Raven=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 7:13 PM Subject: [kj] Oakville Police Picnic Toronto 1981 It's been a bit quiet on here lately so I suppose you'll all need = something to listen to. Here's an interesting one - Oakville Police = picnic in 1981. What's the story behind this then? Anyone? http://www.no35.dial.pipex.com/01Wardance.mp3 http://www.no35.dial.pipex.com/02Fall.mp3 http://www.no35.dial.pipex.com/03Exit.mp3 http://www.no35.dial.pipex.com/04Wait.mp3 http://www.no35.dial.pipex.com/05Requiem.mp3 http://www.no35.dial.pipex.com/06Unspeakable.mp3 http://www.no35.dial.pipex.com/07Bloodsport.mp3 http://www.no35.dial.pipex.com/08Change.mp3 http://www.no35.dial.pipex.com/09Psyche.mp3 I shall leave these files on line for about one week so if anyone = would like to mirror them (Ade? Bo?) please feel free to do so. Mik ------=_NextPart_000_0183_01C3B9D3.D8676A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Killing Joke Chat is UP
thank oh so much...was the only show in = toronto=20 area i missed...now all we have to do is find the show from sibohan bar = in=20 kennsington area.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mik=20 Raven
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, = 2003 7:13=20 PM
Subject: [kj] Oakville Police = Picnic=20 Toronto 1981

It's been a bit quiet on here lately = so I suppose=20 you'll all need something to listen to. Here's an interesting one - = Oakville=20 Police picnic in 1981. What's the story behind this then? = Anyone?
 
http://www.no35.di= al.pipex.com/01Wardance.mp3
 
 
 
 
 
http://www.no35.dial.pipex.com/06Unspeakable.mp3
 
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I shall leave these files on line for = about one=20 week so if anyone would like to mirror them (Ade? Bo?) please feel = free to do=20 so.
 
Mik
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0183_01C3B9D3.D8676A80-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 00:44:16 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Madani) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:44:16 -0500 Subject: [kj] Oakville Police Picnic Toronto 1981 References: <000b01c3b9f9$4bd436e0$9f342ed9@sn7212787026> <00a501c3b9fb$7d867700$0200a8c0@Paulas> Message-ID: <001501c3b9ff$beef2ad0$2a508c0a@Pimpster> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C3B9D5.D6015510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Killing Joke Chat is UPAbout all I know is this anecdote from Youth: "I got into loads of trouble that day. I wore these bright pink = pantaloons, like Bowie's trousers. I stole the head of security's golf = cart and was hiding behind this bush. He was on his walkie-talkie = yelling, 'Go find that guy in the pink trousers and let me at him = first!' I circled him, covered him in dust, and drove off. Great!" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mik Raven=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 7:13 PM Subject: [kj] Oakville Police Picnic Toronto 1981 It's been a bit quiet on here lately so I suppose you'll all need = something to listen to. Here's an interesting one - Oakville Police = picnic in 1981. What's the story behind this then? Anyone? ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C3B9D5.D6015510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Killing Joke Chat is UP
About all I know is this anecdote = from=20 Youth:
 
"I got into loads of trouble that day. = I wore these=20 bright pink pantaloons, like Bowie's trousers.  I stole the head of = security's golf cart and was hiding behind this bush.  He was on = his=20 walkie-talkie yelling, 'Go find that guy in the pink trousers and let me = at him=20 first!'  I circled him, covered him in dust, and drove off. =20 Great!"
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mik=20 Raven
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, = 2003 7:13=20 PM
Subject: [kj] Oakville Police = Picnic=20 Toronto 1981

It's been a bit quiet on here lately = so I suppose=20 you'll all need something to listen to. Here's an interesting one - = Oakville=20 Police picnic in 1981. What's the story behind this then?=20 Anyone?
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C3B9D5.D6015510-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 00:45:35 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Joachim Plorin) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:45:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] Democracy just doesn't work.. In-Reply-To: <20031203105653.0D88BDB22@four.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20031204004535.73988.qmail@web12601.mail.yahoo.com> Start saving- here's all the remixes, and where easiest to find them: US CD single: House of Commons mix Conspiracy Theory Averted Bi-Partisan mix United Nations Mix Right Wing Militia Mix Russian Tundra Mix Hallucinogen mix UK cd (black version): Album mix Rooster Mix US promo cd: Conspiracy Theory Mix Mainstream Economics Mix US promo 12" Conspiracy Theory Prolonged mix J > > > How many versions of Democracy are there? I have two > but have just been > nosing through some of the vids on Mik Ravens site > and I've never heard the > version on there before! > I feel a big spending spree coming on and am > deciding what to buy first... > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 00:49:02 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dave Axford) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:49:02 -0500 Subject: [kj] Oakville Police Picnic Toronto 1981 References: <000b01c3b9f9$4bd436e0$9f342ed9@sn7212787026> <00a501c3b9fb$7d867700$0200a8c0@Paulas> Message-ID: <001c01c3ba00$69354150$826f8a3f@Joker> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C3B9D6.802D2CD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Killing Joke Chat is UP ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mik Raven=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 7:13 PM Subject: [kj] Oakville Police Picnic Toronto 1981 It's been a bit quiet on here lately so I suppose you'll all need = something to listen to. Here's an interesting one - Oakville Police = picnic in 1981. What's the story behind this then? Anyone? "The Police Picnic" was a one off event where Sting and the boys = decided that there should be a showcase for new wave acts. It was sort = of a Lolapolooza, of it's time with Iggy Pop, The Pretenders (I = believe), Elvis Costello, Selector Set (or definitely some other Ska = band), Killing Joke and a few others, on the bill.=20 There was a "Police Picnic 2", which was perceived more as "Police = concert" with a number of opening bands. It also seemed to be a little = more mainstream in it's choice of opening acts. Hope this sheds some light... even though it's a little foggy in my = memory. Dave ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C3B9D6.802D2CD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Killing Joke Chat is UP
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mik=20 Raven
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, = 2003 7:13=20 PM
Subject: [kj] Oakville Police = Picnic=20 Toronto 1981

It's been a bit quiet on here lately = so I suppose=20 you'll all need something to listen to. Here's an interesting one - = Oakville=20 Police picnic in 1981. What's the story behind this then? = Anyone?
 
 "The Police = Picnic" was a one=20 off event where Sting and the boys decided that there should be a = showcase for=20 new wave acts. It was sort of a Lolapolooza, of it's = time with Iggy=20 Pop, The Pretenders (I believe), Elvis Costello, Selector Set (or = definitely=20 some other Ska band), Killing Joke and a few others, on the=20 bill. 
 
There was a "Police = Picnic 2",=20 which was perceived more as "Police concert" with a number of opening = bands.=20 It also seemed to be a little more mainstream in it's choice of = opening=20 acts.
 
Hope this sheds some = light... even=20 though it's a little foggy in my memory.
 
Dave 
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C3B9D6.802D2CD0-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 00:50:40 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (sade1) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:50:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT Bunnymen Sunday In-Reply-To: <7226213.1070454827100.JavaMail.root@bushtv-java-2.server.telinco.net> Message-ID: <20031204005040.75084.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> --- Simon Lee wrote: > As far as hits go, no, it was all there (apart from Viliers' > Terrace, Promise, People Are Strange), the wrong three, but i'm sure a good show, nevertheless I'd like the > Bunnymen to give more of an airing to the dark and underrated > Porcupine stuff. and some more b-sides and Electrafixion ===== WHO WOULD JESUS BOMB? "Get me out of the here and now I want to be another here, another..." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 00:52:50 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (sade1) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:52:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT Bunnymen Sunday......greatttttttttttt In-Reply-To: <003201c3b9e9$1ba061c0$0200a8c0@thelab.local> Message-ID: <20031204005250.33864.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com> Exactly. i couldnt put it better. --- ade wrote: it's the fact that he > sounds > like he can't bothered & seems to be more interested in > looking 'cool'. ===== WHO WOULD JESUS BOMB? "Get me out of the here and now I want to be another here, another..." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 00:56:00 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mik Raven) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 00:56:00 -0000 Subject: [kj] Oakville Police Picnic Toronto 1981 References: <000b01c3b9f9$4bd436e0$9f342ed9@sn7212787026> <00a501c3b9fb$7d867700$0200a8c0@Paulas> <001c01c3ba00$69354150$826f8a3f@Joker> Message-ID: <00d001c3ba01$62eae240$0200a8c0@Paulas> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C3BA01.627E8BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Killing Joke Chat is UPThat Police! That makes a little more sense. = Thanks Dave. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave Axford=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 12:49 AM Subject: Re: [kj] Oakville Police Picnic Toronto 1981 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mik Raven=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 7:13 PM Subject: [kj] Oakville Police Picnic Toronto 1981 It's been a bit quiet on here lately so I suppose you'll all need = something to listen to. Here's an interesting one - Oakville Police = picnic in 1981. What's the story behind this then? Anyone? "The Police Picnic" was a one off event where Sting and the boys = decided that there should be a showcase for new wave acts. It was sort = of a Lolapolooza, of it's time with Iggy Pop, The Pretenders (I = believe), Elvis Costello, Selector Set (or definitely some other Ska = band), Killing Joke and a few others, on the bill.=20 There was a "Police Picnic 2", which was perceived more as "Police = concert" with a number of opening bands. It also seemed to be a little = more mainstream in it's choice of opening acts. Hope this sheds some light... even though it's a little foggy in my = memory. Dave ------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C3BA01.627E8BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Killing Joke Chat is UP
That Police! That makes a little more = sense. Thanks=20 Dave.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dave = Axford=20
Sent: Thursday, December 04, = 2003 12:49=20 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] Oakville = Police Picnic=20 Toronto 1981

 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mik=20 Raven
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, = 2003 7:13=20 PM
Subject: [kj] Oakville Police = Picnic=20 Toronto 1981

It's been a bit quiet on here = lately so I=20 suppose you'll all need something to listen to. Here's an = interesting one -=20 Oakville Police picnic in 1981. What's the story behind this then?=20 Anyone?
 
 "The Police = Picnic" was a=20 one off event where Sting and the boys decided that there should be = a=20 showcase for new wave acts. It was sort of a Lolapolooza, of = it's=20 time with Iggy Pop, The Pretenders (I believe), Elvis Costello, = Selector Set (or definitely some other Ska band), Killing Joke = and a=20 few others, on the bill. 
 
There was a "Police = Picnic 2",=20 which was perceived more as "Police concert" with a number of = opening bands.=20 It also seemed to be a little more mainstream in it's choice of = opening=20 acts.
 
Hope this sheds = some light...=20 even though it's a little foggy in my memory.
 
Dave 
------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C3BA01.627E8BE0-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 01:51:44 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (ade) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 01:51:44 -0000 Subject: [kj] OT Bunnymen Sunday......greatttttttttttt In-Reply-To: <20031204005250.33864.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004701c3ba09$2c562160$0200a8c0@thelab.local> Nice one. Sad really... -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of sade1 Sent: 04 December 2003 00:53 To: gathering@misera.net Subject: RE: [kj] OT Bunnymen Sunday......greatttttttttttt Exactly. i couldnt put it better. --- ade wrote: it's the fact that he > sounds > like he can't bothered & seems to be more interested in > looking 'cool'. ===== WHO WOULD JESUS BOMB? "Get me out of the here and now I want to be another here, another..." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 02:06:52 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (culture.virus) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:06:52 -0800 Subject: [kj] Democracy?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031203175209.029e8b80@127.0.0.1> If you're talking about remixes, I have 10 spread across two singles and I think there's at least one more. The mixes I have are: Album Mix Bi Partisan Mix Conspiracy Theory Mix Conspiracy Theory Averted Mix (nearly identical to the above) Mainstream Economics Mix Right Wing Militia Mix United Nations Mix House of Commons Mix Campaign Collection Mix The Russian Tundra Mix Hallucinogen Mix There's also the Rooster Mix and I believe there's one more. I know the Japanese version of the album is different than the US. But I can't recall if there were different versions in the UK and other markets. At 08:00 AM 12/2/03, you wrote: >How many versions of Democracy are there? I have two but have just been >nosing through some of the vids on Mik Ravens site and I've never heard the >version on there before! >I feel a big spending spree coming on and am deciding what to buy first... I am culturevirus From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 02:28:13 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Leigh Newton) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:28:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] Oakville Police Picnic Toronto 1981 In-Reply-To: <001c01c3ba00$69354150$826f8a3f@Joker> Message-ID: <20031204022813.92091.qmail@web10410.mail.yahoo.com> I've actually seen footage of this on Muchmusic. Killing Joke plowing through the Wait in BROAD daylight, in the middle of the summer, with Youth in a full trenchcoat looking like a zombie. The Specials headlined, i think. Nash The Slash also played and got booed off the stage, i think. I went to college with someone who was there and remembers Killing Joke being particularily awesome. Thanks Mik! Leigh --- Dave Axford wrote: > Killing Joke Chat is UP > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mik Raven > To: gathering@misera.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 7:13 PM > Subject: [kj] Oakville Police Picnic Toronto 1981 > > > It's been a bit quiet on here lately so I suppose > you'll all need something to listen to. Here's an > interesting one - Oakville Police picnic in 1981. > What's the story behind this then? Anyone? > > "The Police Picnic" was a one off event where > Sting and the boys decided that there should be a > showcase for new wave acts. It was sort of a > Lolapolooza, of it's time with Iggy Pop, The > Pretenders (I believe), Elvis Costello, Selector Set > (or definitely some other Ska band), Killing Joke > and a few others, on the bill. > > There was a "Police Picnic 2", which was perceived > more as "Police concert" with a number of opening > bands. It also seemed to be a little more mainstream > in it's choice of opening acts. > > Hope this sheds some light... even though it's a > little foggy in my memory. > > Dave ===== http://www.daiquiri.tvheaven.com http://www.tweek.tvheaven.com http://www.mp3.com/tweek http://www.mp3.com/green_lung __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 06:20:34 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 01:20:34 EST Subject: [kj] Oakville Police Picnic Toronto 1981 Message-ID: <1e2.14d7191e.2d002c32@aol.com> --part1_1e2.14d7191e.2d002c32_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I hate the group the police, but I hate the police police (piggies, as they used to be called in US) even more! I wouldn't want to hear about a picnic sponsored by oinkers! By the way, the lineup--Speicials, KJ, Iggy, etc., sounds weird but wonderful! --part1_1e2.14d7191e.2d002c32_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, I hate the group the police, but I hate the polic= e police (piggies, as they used to be called in US) even more! I wouldn't wa= nt to hear about a picnic sponsored by oinkers! By the way, the lineup--Spei= cials, KJ, Iggy, etc., sounds weird but wonderful! --part1_1e2.14d7191e.2d002c32_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 08:02:36 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Tom Foolery) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 08:02:36 +0000 Subject: [kj] Bored? Nostalgic? Plenty of time on your hands? Message-ID:

http://members.aol.com/blissout/postpunk.htm

Only one mention of KJ but an interesting read nevertheless-

"If the "punk's not dead" resurgence horrified most music journalists (the exception being Sounds's Oi!-demagogue Garry Bushell), equally depressing was the emergence of a post-PiL/Joy Divison/Banshees orthodoxy of doom'n'gloom: groups like Killing Joke, Bauhaus, The Cure."

luv from

Stimro

"Mummy, what's a Killing Joke?"

"A Whoopee cushion packed with Semtex"


The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 08:20:34 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Lucy Cornwell) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:20:34 -0000 Subject: [kj] Democracy?? In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031203175209.029e8b80@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: Ta all will have to look into aquiring some of these. Bob I'm getting error on page at that site but I think it might just be me as everyone else can see it! -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of culture.virus Sent: 04 December 2003 02:07 To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Democracy?? If you're talking about remixes, I have 10 spread across two singles and I think there's at least one more. The mixes I have are: Album Mix Bi Partisan Mix Conspiracy Theory Mix Conspiracy Theory Averted Mix (nearly identical to the above) Mainstream Economics Mix Right Wing Militia Mix United Nations Mix House of Commons Mix Campaign Collection Mix The Russian Tundra Mix Hallucinogen Mix There's also the Rooster Mix and I believe there's one more. I know the Japanese version of the album is different than the US. But I can't recall if there were different versions in the UK and other markets. At 08:00 AM 12/2/03, you wrote: >How many versions of Democracy are there? I have two but have just been >nosing through some of the vids on Mik Ravens site and I've never heard the >version on there before! >I feel a big spending spree coming on and am deciding what to buy first... I am culturevirus _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 10:03:25 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Phillipps Marc) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:03:25 -0000 Subject: [kj] Saturday . . Message-ID: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF19F@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> >Don't think it's a good choice myself, never anywhere to sit. Why aren't we >going to the Enterprise instead? I agree . . . The Enterprise is a Gathering tradition now isn't it :o) Where were we supposed to be going then ?? Marc. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mik Raven [SMTP:mik.raven@dial.pipex.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:37 PM > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Saturday . . > > Me and Paula will be there. not sure what time yet. Depends when we can be > bothered to set off. Probably at the arms around 6-7pm. > > Don't think it's a good choice myself, never anywhere to sit. Why aren't > we > going to the Enterprise instead? > > Mik > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phillipps Marc" > To: "'Gathering'" > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:54 AM > Subject: [kj] Saturday . . > > > > > > So, who's coming ? > > > > Where are we meeting ?? > > > > Time ? (7:30 - 8:00 ish ?) > > > > > > Marc. > > > > > > This communication may contain information that is confidential and > legally > > privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If > you > > are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of > > distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information > within > > is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > > communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and > > destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any > > liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This > > communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet > Enfield > > & Haringey Health Communities. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 10:23:01 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:23:01 +0000 Subject: [kj] the great churchill/enterprise debate Message-ID: I must say I've pondered this question deeply and conclude that I don't give a toss. Either one is twenty minutes away on a 31 bus. See you there. Where? cheers, colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 10:28:07 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Phillipps Marc) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:28:07 -0000 Subject: [kj] the great churchill/enterprise debate Message-ID: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1A1@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> >See you there. >Where? Can I stick a vote in for The Enterprise . . I like it there :o) Marc. > -----Original Message----- > From: mike coles [SMTP:mike@maliciousdamage.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:23 AM > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: [kj] the great churchill/enterprise debate > > I must say I've pondered this question deeply and conclude that I > don't give a toss. > Either one is twenty minutes away on a 31 bus. > See you there. > Where? > cheers, > colesy > -- > Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk > ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 10:28:29 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dirk Kingerske) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 11:28:29 +0100 Subject: [kj] the great churchill/enterprise debate Message-ID:

i hope noone gets lost...... perhaps you should contact your local leader..... andi, anyone????

>From: mike coles
>Reply-To: gathering@misera.net
>To: gathering@misera.net
>Subject: [kj] the great churchill/enterprise debate
>Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:23:01 +0000
>
>I must say I've pondered this question deeply and conclude that I
>don't give a toss.
>Either one is twenty minutes away on a 31 bus.
>See you there.
>Where?
>cheers,
>colesy
>--
>Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk
>... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk
>_______________________________________________
>Gathering mailing list
>Gathering@misera.net
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Freunde werben und kräftig abräumen mit der Messenger-Mania. Hier klicken - der Countdown läuft! Jetzt mitmachen und FreeSMS sichern! From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 11:53:41 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:53:41 +0000 Subject: [kj] prices Message-ID: --============_-1141583670==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" How much does the unperverted pantomime? go for in shops? How much would gatherers expect to pay for a new vinyl 10" of a: Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with inserts) b: Wardance/Pssyche (with conscription form) c: Requiem/Change (with sticker) How much would gatherers expect to pay for a 4 CD boxed set comprising: miniature versions with sleeves of Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with miniature inserts) Wardance/Pssyche (with miniature conscription form) Requiem/Change (with normal sized sticker) A fourth CD of demos from the first album including the killer sinister version of wardance, bloodsport, complications, requiem, tomorrow's world, almost red, follow the leaders dub and anything else I can lay my hands on. A 20-page booklet of colesy inspired bollocks, bullshit and photos. All enclosed in a suitably colesified slipcase. Analyse and discuss. cheers, colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk --============_-1141583670==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" prices
How much does the unperverted pantomime? go for in shops?

How much would gatherers expect to pay for a new vinyl 10" of
a: Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with inserts)
b: Wardance/Pssyche (with conscription form)
c: Requiem/Change (with sticker)

How much would gatherers expect to pay for a 4 CD boxed set comprising:
miniature versions with sleeves of
Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with miniature inserts)
Wardance/Pssyche (with miniature conscription form)
Requiem/Change (with normal sized sticker)
A fourth CD of demos from the first album including the killer sinister version of wardance, bloodsport, complications, requiem, tomorrow's world, almost red, follow the leaders dub and anything else I can lay my hands on.
A 20-page booklet of colesy inspired bollocks, bullshit and photos.
All enclosed in a suitably colesified slipcase.
Analyse and discuss.

cheers,
colesy
--
Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk
... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk
--============_-1141583670==_ma============-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 11:58:46 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dirk Kingerske) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:58:46 +0100 Subject: [kj] prices Message-ID:

well, you've got my credit card details....   :o)

dirk

>From: mike coles
>Reply-To: gathering@misera.net
>To: gathering@misera.net
>Subject: [kj] prices
>Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:53:41 +0000
>
>How much does the unperverted pantomime? go for in shops?
>
>How much would gatherers expect to pay for a new vinyl 10" of
>a: Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with inserts)
>b: Wardance/Pssyche (with conscription form)
>c: Requiem/Change (with sticker)
>
>How much would gatherers expect to pay for a 4 CD boxed set
>comprising:
>miniature versions with sleeves of
>Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with miniature
>inserts)
>Wardance/Pssyche (with miniature conscription form)
>Requiem/Change (with normal sized sticker)
>A fourth CD of demos from the first album including the killer
>sinister version of wardance, bloodsport, complications, requiem,
>tomorrow's world, almost red, follow the leaders dub and anything
>else I can lay my hands on.
>A 20-page booklet of colesy inspired bollocks, bullshit and photos.
>All enclosed in a suitably colesified slipcase.
>Analyse and discuss.
>
>cheers,
>colesy
>--
>Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk
>... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk

Messenger-Mania! FreeSMS abräumen mit dem MSN Messenger. Der Countdown läuft - hier klicken ! Jetzt mitmachen und gewinnen! From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 12:22:21 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 12:22:21 +0000 Subject: [kj] prices Message-ID: --============_-1141581950==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" well, you've got my credit card details.... :o) dirk So that's two thousand quid from Dirty Dirk... danke colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk --============_-1141581950==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" prices
well, you've got my credit card details....   :o)
dirk
So that's two thousand quid  from Dirty Dirk...
danke
colesy
--
Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk
... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk
--============_-1141581950==_ma============-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 12:24:36 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 07:24:36 EST Subject: [kj] prices Message-ID: <12e.36bee52e.2d008184@aol.com> --part1_12e.36bee52e.2d008184_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't mean to be glib - but for a 4 cd box set with that kind of artwork and rare tracks; price is no object. It matters not. That sounds like an absolute gem. Make it happen! --part1_12e.36bee52e.2d008184_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't mean to be glib - but for a 4 cd box set with=20= that kind of artwork and rare tracks; price is no object.  It matters n= ot.

That sounds like an absolute gem.  Make it happen! --part1_12e.36bee52e.2d008184_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 12:25:48 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Cliff and Kara Livingston) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 03:25:48 -0900 Subject: [kj] prices References: Message-ID: <002101c3ba61$c4f09100$2e8a70d1@antifrz> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C3BA16.4FCBA9A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable pricesHey Colesy sounds great,and thanks Dirk for Buying one for every = gatherer,Bwhahahahaha !!!!!!! FFILC ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mike coles=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 3:22 AM Subject: [kj] prices well, you've got my credit card details.... :o) dirk So that's two thousand quid from Dirty Dirk... danke colesy --=20 Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C3BA16.4FCBA9A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable prices
Hey Colesy sounds great,and thanks Dirk = for Buying=20 one for every gatherer,Bwhahahahaha !!!!!!!
FFILC
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mike coles
Sent: Thursday, December 04, = 2003 3:22=20 AM
Subject: [kj] prices

well, you've got my credit card=20 details....   :o)
dirk
So that's two thousand quid  from Dirty Dirk...
danke
colesy
--=20
Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.u= k
...=20 and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk
------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C3BA16.4FCBA9A0-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 12:31:37 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dirk Kingerske) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:31:37 +0100 Subject: [kj] prices Message-ID:

Coole Emoticons und Hintergründe für den MSN Messenger Hier kostenlos downloaden! From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 12:36:23 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dirk Kingerske) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:36:23 +0100 Subject: [kj] prices Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_280_46c8_7a1d Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1

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Coole Emoticons und Hintergründe für den MSN Messenger Hier kostenlos downloaden! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------=_NextPart_000_280_46c8_7a1d-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 12:41:47 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 12:41:47 +0000 Subject: [kj] dirk Message-ID: It's OK Dirk, you can stop now, I was joking - you're not dirty. colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 12:47:21 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (death wish) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:47:21 +0000 Subject: [kj] prices Message-ID: I've got the vinyl, so am not intested in vinyl reissues - gimme Democracy or the new album on double vinyl, though! Make sure the newie includes inferno and zennen. The cd boxset sounds good - particularly since, unlike so many other bands, you're actually gonna add something of actual audio value instead of just cd replicas with a couple of songs on each. If it's gonna be 4 cds, why not tuck a bootleg show at the end of each cd? That would make the 4 cds far more tasty, and I'd probably cough up as much as $100 for something like that. Or here's a sweet idea - give us the entire first album live - various venues, the best version of each song. Hell, I'll even help you. T. >From: mike coles >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: [kj] prices >Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:53:41 +0000 > >How much does the unperverted pantomime? go for in shops? > >How much would gatherers expect to pay for a new vinyl 10" of >a: Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with inserts) >b: Wardance/Pssyche (with conscription form) >c: Requiem/Change (with sticker) > >How much would gatherers expect to pay for a 4 CD boxed set comprising: >miniature versions with sleeves of >Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with miniature inserts) >Wardance/Pssyche (with miniature conscription form) >Requiem/Change (with normal sized sticker) >A fourth CD of demos from the first album including the killer sinister >version of wardance, bloodsport, complications, requiem, tomorrow's world, >almost red, follow the leaders dub and anything else I can lay my hands on. >A 20-page booklet of colesy inspired bollocks, bullshit and photos. >All enclosed in a suitably colesified slipcase. >Analyse and discuss. > >cheers, >colesy >-- >Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk >... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 12:47:50 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dirk Kingerske) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:47:50 +0100 Subject: [kj] prices Message-ID:


mike, do i have to send the boxes to each gatherer or will you do that for me... so i can save on the shipping???

 

dirk


Lieblingssong auf’s Handy laden oder Display aufpeppen – bei MSN gibt’s jetzt auch polyphone Klingeltöne & farbige Logos! Hier klicken From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 12:56:29 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 12:56:29 +0000 Subject: [kj] delivery Message-ID: --============_-1141579884==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" mike, do i have to send the boxes to each gatherer or will you do that for me... so i can save on the shipping??? dirk Don't they have bicycles in Germany? Then you could pssychle and deliver them by hand... colesycle -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk --============_-1141579884==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" delivery
mike, do i have to send the boxes to each gatherer or will you do that for me... so i can save on the shipping???
dirk
Don't they have bicycles in Germany?
Then you could pssychle and deliver them by hand...

colesycle
--
Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk
... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk
--============_-1141579884==_ma============-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 13:01:37 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dirk Kingerske) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 14:01:37 +0100 Subject: [kj] delivery Message-ID:

MSN Easysurfer - Surfen Sie für 1,35 Cent / Minute Hier klicken From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 13:32:51 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bob Barathy) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:32:51 -0000 Subject: [kj] Democracy?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3BA6B.1DB7FD10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ta all will have to look into aquiring some of these. Bob I'm getting error on page at that site but I think it might just be me as everyone else can see it! I just checked the site and it seems to be okay from my end. Also, thanks for the positive feedback from others on the list. 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How much does the unperverted pantomime? go for in shops? ?11.99 at MVC How much would gatherers expect to pay for a new vinyl 10" of a: Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with inserts) ?10 b: Wardance/Pssyche (with conscription form) ?5 c: Requiem/Change (with sticker) ?5 How much would gatherers expect to pay for a 4 CD boxed set comprising: miniature versions with sleeves of Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with miniature inserts) Wardance/Pssyche (with miniature conscription form) Requiem/Change (with normal sized sticker) A fourth CD of demos from the first album including the killer sinister version of wardance, bloodsport, complications, requiem, tomorrow's world, almost red, follow the leaders dub and anything else I can lay my hands on. A 20-page booklet of colesy inspired bollocks, bullshit and photos. All enclosed in a suitably colesified slipcase. ?35 Analyse and discuss. Bob ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3BA6C.900A6320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable prices
Okay -=20 I'll stick my head on the block here - that's prior to my un-announced = arrival=20 to Rosslun Chapel...
How much = does the unperverted pantomime? go for in = shops?  £11.99=20 at MVC 

How much would gatherers expect to pay for a new vinyl 10" = of
a: Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with = inserts) =20 £10
b: Wardance/Pssyche (with conscription form) £5 
c: Requiem/Change (with sticker)  = £5 

How much would gatherers expect to pay for a 4 CD boxed set=20 comprising:
miniature versions with sleeves of
Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with miniature=20 inserts)
Wardance/Pssyche (with miniature conscription form)
Requiem/Change (with normal sized sticker)
A fourth CD of demos from the first album including the killer = sinister=20 version of wardance, bloodsport, complications, requiem, tomorrow's = world,=20 almost red, follow the leaders dub and anything else I can lay my = hands=20 on.
A 20-page booklet of colesy inspired bollocks, bullshit and = photos.
All enclosed in a suitably colesified slipcase. =20 £35 
Analyse and discuss.

Bob
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3BA6C.900A6320-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 14:03:31 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 14:03:31 +0000 Subject: [kj] prices Message-ID: Well done Bob!! Now the rest rest of you know how to do it... cheers, colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 14:11:04 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Phillipps Marc) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 14:11:04 -0000 Subject: [kj] prices Message-ID: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1A6@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> Hmm, Bob's prices seem about right for similar items . . . I'd maybe go up to =A340 for the box set though . .=20 Marc. =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: mike coles [SMTP:mike@maliciousdamage.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 2:04 PM > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: [kj] prices >=20 > Well done Bob!! > Now the rest rest of you know how to do it... > cheers, > colesy > --=20 > Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk > ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >=20 >=20 This communication may contain information that is confidential and = legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). = If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information = within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet = Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 15:08:41 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bob Barathy) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:08:41 -0000 Subject: [kj] prices In-Reply-To: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1A6@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C3BA78.80F53020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hmm, Bob's prices seem about right for similar items . . . I'd maybe go up to Ł40 for the box set though . . how about Ł37.50 as compromise? BTW Mike, will there be some way to distinguish the new from the originals? Bob ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C3BA78.80F53020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Hmm, Bob's prices seem about right for similar items . = .=20 .

I'd maybe go up to =A340 for the box set though . = .

how about =A337.50 as compromise?

BTW Mike, will = there be=20 some way to distinguish the new from the originals?

 

Bob

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C3BA78.80F53020-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 15:25:13 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (fat potanga) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 15:25:13 +0000 Subject: [kj] prices Message-ID: >How much would gatherers expect to pay for a new vinyl 10".... no record player... >How much would gatherers expect to pay for a 4 CD boxed set comprising: Hmmmm - dunno Ł30-Ł40 quids of money? Maybe more, hopefully less :) J ----Original Message Follows---- From: mike coles Reply-To: gathering@misera.net To: gathering@misera.net Subject: [kj] prices Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:53:41 +0000 How much does the unperverted pantomime? go for in shops? How much would gatherers expect to pay for a new vinyl 10" of a: Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with inserts) b: Wardance/Pssyche (with conscription form) c: Requiem/Change (with sticker) How much would gatherers expect to pay for a 4 CD boxed set comprising: miniature versions with sleeves of Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with miniature inserts) Wardance/Pssyche (with miniature conscription form) Requiem/Change (with normal sized sticker) A fourth CD of demos from the first album including the killer sinister version of wardance, bloodsport, complications, requiem, tomorrow's world, almost red, follow the leaders dub and anything else I can lay my hands on. A 20-page booklet of colesy inspired bollocks, bullshit and photos. All enclosed in a suitably colesified slipcase. Analyse and discuss. cheers, colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 15:19:29 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:19:29 -0500 Subject: [kj] prices Message-ID: <200312041520.hB4FK4gt027945@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3153377969_177907_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I'm all set on the vinyl, but I'd happily pay handsomely for the 4cd box set!!! I think a comparable price would be anywhere from 60 to 100 bucks. In any event, sign me up please. Only please get it out before my wife gives birth (and my wallet flies out the window)? Thanks! Alex (in NYC) ---------- From: mike coles To: gathering@misera.net Subject: [kj] prices Date: Thu, Dec 4, 2003, 6:53 AM How much does the unperverted pantomime? go for in shops? How much would gatherers expect to pay for a new vinyl 10" of a: Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with inserts) b: Wardance/Pssyche (with conscription form) c: Requiem/Change (with sticker) How much would gatherers expect to pay for a 4 CD boxed set comprising: miniature versions with sleeves of Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with miniature inserts) Wardance/Pssyche (with miniature conscription form) Requiem/Change (with normal sized sticker) A fourth CD of demos from the first album including the killer sinister version of wardance, bloodsport, complications, requiem, tomorrow's world, almost red, follow the leaders dub and anything else I can lay my hands on. A 20-page booklet of colesy inspired bollocks, bullshit and photos. All enclosed in a suitably colesified slipcase. Analyse and discuss. cheers, colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk --MS_Mac_OE_3153377969_177907_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] prices
I'm all set on the vinyl, but I'd happily pay handsomely for the 4cd box se= t!!! I think a comparable price would be anywhere from 60 to 100 bucks. In a= ny event, sign me up please.

Only please get it out before my wife gives birth (and my wallet flies out = the window)?

Thanks!

Alex (in NYC)



----------
From: mike coles <mike@maliciousdamage.co.uk>
To: gathering@misera.net
Subject: [kj] prices
Date: Thu, Dec 4, 2003, 6:53 AM


How much does the unperverted pantomime?<= /FONT> go for in shops?

How much would gatherers expect to pay for a new vinyl 10" of
a: Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with inserts)
b: Wardance/Pssyche (with conscription form)
c: Requiem/Change (with sticker)

How much would gatherers expect to pay for a 4 CD boxed set comprising:
miniature versions with sleeves of
Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with miniature inserts)
Wardance/Pssyche (with miniature conscription form)
Requiem/Change (with normal sized sticker)
A fourth CD of demos from the first album including the killer sinister ver= sion of wardance, bloodsport, complications, requiem, tomorrow's world, almo= st red, follow the leaders dub and anything else I can lay my hands on.
A 20-page booklet of colesy inspired bollocks, bullshit and photos.
All enclosed in a suitably colesified slipcase.
Analyse and discuss.

cheers,
colesy
--
Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousd= amage.co.uk
... and you can find more Killing Joke at = http://www.studio-c.co.uk

--MS_Mac_OE_3153377969_177907_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 15:32:25 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Ford Prefect) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:32:25 -0000 Subject: [kj] prices References: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1A6@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> Message-ID: <005001c3ba7b$d1d978e0$46b29351@sn7212787026> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C3BA7B.D18D0690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable will it be tasteful cardboard box? Or a reinforced black bag? Either way = I'd go about =A340 for the set. Not sure about the idea of the vinyl reissues as it would cheapen the = originals. But the cd's and mini inserts sounds good.=20 graham ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Phillipps Marc=20 To: 'gathering@misera.net'=20 Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 2:11 PM Subject: RE: [kj] prices Hmm, Bob's prices seem about right for similar items . . . I'd maybe go up to =A340 for the box set though . .=20 Marc. =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: mike coles [SMTP:mike@maliciousdamage.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 2:04 PM > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: [kj] prices >=20 > Well done Bob!! > Now the rest rest of you know how to do it... > cheers, > colesy > --=20 > Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk > ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >=20 >=20 This communication may contain information that is confidential and = legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). = If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information = within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete = and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. = This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet = Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C3BA7B.D18D0690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
will it be tasteful = cardboard box? Or=20 a reinforced black bag? Either way I'd go about =A340 for the = set.
 
Not sure about the = idea of the=20 vinyl reissues as it would cheapen the originals. But the cd's and mini = inserts=20 sounds good.
 
graham
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Phillipps Marc =
Sent: Thursday, December 04, = 2003 2:11=20 PM
Subject: RE: [kj] prices


Hmm, Bob's prices seem about right for similar = items . .=20 .

I'd maybe go up to =A340 for the box set though . .=20


Marc.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C3BA7B.D18D0690-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 15:37:51 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Ford Prefect) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:37:51 -0000 Subject: [kj] prices References: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1A6@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> <005001c3ba7b$d1d978e0$46b29351@sn7212787026> Message-ID: <006801c3ba7c$93df93c0$46b29351@sn7212787026> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C3BA7C.93A71EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable however, a re-released Wardance/ Pssyche making the Christmas number = 1... hmmmmm graham ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ford Prefect=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [kj] prices will it be tasteful cardboard box? Or a reinforced black bag? Either = way I'd go about =A340 for the set. Not sure about the idea of the vinyl reissues as it would cheapen the = originals. But the cd's and mini inserts sounds good.=20 graham ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Phillipps Marc=20 To: 'gathering@misera.net'=20 Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 2:11 PM Subject: RE: [kj] prices Hmm, Bob's prices seem about right for similar items . . . I'd maybe go up to =A340 for the box set though . .=20 Marc. =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: mike coles [SMTP:mike@maliciousdamage.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 2:04 PM > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: [kj] prices >=20 > Well done Bob!! > Now the rest rest of you know how to do it... > cheers, > colesy > --=20 > Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk > ... and you can find more Killing Joke at = http://www.studio-c.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >=20 >=20 This communication may contain information that is confidential and = legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended = recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the = information within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received = this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete = and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims = any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. = This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet = Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C3BA7C.93A71EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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graham
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will it be tasteful = cardboard box?=20 Or a reinforced black bag? Either way I'd go about =A340 for the=20 set.
 
Not sure about = the idea of the=20 vinyl reissues as it would cheapen the originals. But the cd's and = mini=20 inserts sounds good.
 
graham
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Phillipps Marc =
Sent: Thursday, December 04, = 2003 2:11=20 PM
Subject: RE: [kj] = prices


Hmm, Bob's prices seem about right for similar = items . .=20 .

I'd maybe go up to =A340 for the box set though . .=20


Marc.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C3BA7C.93A71EA0-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 15:38:33 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gabriella_Wing=E5rdh?=) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 16:38:33 +0100 Subject: [kj] prices References: Message-ID: <002f01c3ba7c$acee5f40$030c43d5@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C3BA85.0E698940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable pricesnow I=B4m being stooopid, colesy, because I=B4m letting you know = my first thought was "... a lot" (for the 4-cd box set), but =A330-40 is = fair enough ;-) and =A310 for the 10" vinyl. yup. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mike coles=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 12:53 PM Subject: [kj] prices How much does the unperverted pantomime? go for in shops? How much would gatherers expect to pay for a new vinyl 10" of a: Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with inserts) b: Wardance/Pssyche (with conscription form) c: Requiem/Change (with sticker) How much would gatherers expect to pay for a 4 CD boxed set = comprising: miniature versions with sleeves of Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with miniature inserts) Wardance/Pssyche (with miniature conscription form) Requiem/Change (with normal sized sticker) A fourth CD of demos from the first album including the killer = sinister version of wardance, bloodsport, complications, requiem, = tomorrow's world, almost red, follow the leaders dub and anything else I = can lay my hands on. A 20-page booklet of colesy inspired bollocks, bullshit and photos. All enclosed in a suitably colesified slipcase. Analyse and discuss. cheers, colesy --=20 Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C3BA85.0E698940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable prices
now I=B4m being stooopid, = colesy, because I=B4m=20 letting you know my first thought was "... a lot" (for the 4-cd box = set), but=20 =A330-40 is fair enough ;-) and =A310 for the 10" vinyl. = yup.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mike coles
Sent: Thursday, December 04, = 2003 12:53=20 PM
Subject: [kj] prices

How much does the unperverted = pantomime? go=20 for in shops?

How much would gatherers expect to pay for a new vinyl 10" = of
a: Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with = inserts)
b: Wardance/Pssyche (with conscription form)
c: Requiem/Change (with sticker)

How much would gatherers expect to pay for a 4 CD boxed set=20 comprising:
miniature versions with sleeves of
Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with miniature=20 inserts)
Wardance/Pssyche (with miniature conscription form)
Requiem/Change (with normal sized sticker)
A fourth CD of demos from the first album including the killer = sinister=20 version of wardance, bloodsport, complications, requiem, tomorrow's = world,=20 almost red, follow the leaders dub and anything else I can lay my = hands=20 on.
A 20-page booklet of colesy inspired bollocks, bullshit and = photos.
All enclosed in a suitably colesified slipcase.
Analyse and discuss.

cheers,
colesy
--=20
Check out our merchandise at = http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk
... and=20 you can find more Killing Joke at=20 http://www.studio-c.co.uk
------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C3BA85.0E698940-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 16:00:22 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mark Kolmar) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:00:22 -0600 Subject: [kj] prices In-Reply-To: <200312041520.hB4FK4gt027945@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> References: <200312041520.hB4FK4gt027945@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <3FCF5A16.5030208@burningrome.com> > How much would gatherers expect to pay for a 4 CD boxed set comprising: > miniature versions with sleeves of > Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with miniature inserts) > Wardance/Pssyche (with miniature conscription form) > Requiem/Change (with normal sized sticker) > A fourth CD of demos from the first album including the killer > sinister version of wardance, bloodsport, complications, requiem, > tomorrow's world, almost red, follow the leaders dub and anything > else I can lay my hands on. > A 20-page booklet of colesy inspired bollocks, bullshit and photos. > All enclosed in a suitably colesified slipcase. I'd lean toward the CD mini-singles, and the set should go for about 20-25UKP, roughly US$30-$35. If the printing is really top-notch then perhaps more. The printing would easily end up the more expensive part to make. --Mark From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 17:21:40 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 12:21:40 EST Subject: [kj] O/T Chat Message-ID: <16e.274092df.2d00c724@aol.com> --part1_16e.274092df.2d00c724_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chinwag?....anyone? --part1_16e.274092df.2d00c724_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chinwag?....anyone? --part1_16e.274092df.2d00c724_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 18:35:37 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gabriella_Wing=E5rdh?=) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:35:37 +0100 Subject: [kj] better late than never... Message-ID: <001c01c3ba95$698604b0$030c43d5@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C3BA9D.CB0A5670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ... I just made an emotional/mental connection between "white out" and = alan moore=B4s "halo jones", if you don=B4t know what I=B4m talking about, read for yourself... and = then get yourself acquainted with said miss jones... Leave my body lose myself=20 Leave this planet and leave this hell=20 Born in the east die in the west=20 I never rest i never rest - whiteout=20 Backwards backwards lose all time=20 Intellect made us blind=20 Analysis paralysis=20 Analysis paralysis - whiteout=20 Hear dog bark don't ask me why=20 Be born grow old with grace and die=20 Salmon leap sower reap=20 As crow flies so heat rise - whiteout=20 Need to fill drink this wine=20 Knock back the juice see the signs=20 Leave my body lose myself=20 Leave this planet leave this hell - whiteout=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C3BA9D.CB0A5670 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
... I just made an = emotional/mental=20 connection between "white out" and alan moore=B4s "halo=20 jones",
if you don=B4t know what I=B4m = talking about,=20 read for yourself... and then get yourself acquainted with said miss=20 jones...
 
Leave my body lose myself
Leave = this planet and=20 leave this hell
Born in the east die in the west
I never rest i = never=20 rest - whiteout

Backwards backwards lose all time
Intellect = made us=20 blind
Analysis paralysis
Analysis paralysis - whiteout =

Hear dog=20 bark don't ask me why
Be born grow old with grace and die
Salmon = leap=20 sower reap
As crow flies so heat rise - whiteout

Need to = fill drink=20 this wine
Knock back the juice see the signs
Leave my body lose = myself=20
Leave this planet leave this hell - whiteout



------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C3BA9D.CB0A5670-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 18:55:20 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gabriella_Wing=E5rdh?=) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:55:20 +0100 Subject: [kj] prices References: <002f01c3ba7c$acee5f40$030c43d5@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001601c3ba98$2aabe6d0$030c43d5@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C3BAA0.8C362C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable pricespaying a lot for for catharsis... :-D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gabriella Wing=E5rdh=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [kj] prices now I=B4m being stooopid, colesy, because I=B4m letting you know my = first thought was "... a lot" (for the 4-cd box set), but =A330-40 is = fair enough ;-) and =A310 for the 10" vinyl. yup. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mike coles=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 12:53 PM Subject: [kj] prices How much does the unperverted pantomime? go for in shops? How much would gatherers expect to pay for a new vinyl 10" of a: Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with inserts) b: Wardance/Pssyche (with conscription form) c: Requiem/Change (with sticker) How much would gatherers expect to pay for a 4 CD boxed set = comprising: miniature versions with sleeves of Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with miniature = inserts) Wardance/Pssyche (with miniature conscription form) Requiem/Change (with normal sized sticker) A fourth CD of demos from the first album including the killer = sinister version of wardance, bloodsport, complications, requiem, = tomorrow's world, almost red, follow the leaders dub and anything else I = can lay my hands on. A 20-page booklet of colesy inspired bollocks, bullshit and photos. All enclosed in a suitably colesified slipcase. Analyse and discuss. cheers, colesy --=20 Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C3BAA0.8C362C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable prices
paying a lot for for catharsis... = :-D
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gabriella Wing=E5rdh =
Sent: Thursday, December 04, = 2003 4:38=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] prices

now I=B4m being stooopid, = colesy, because I=B4m=20 letting you know my first thought was "... a lot" (for the 4-cd box = set), but=20 =A330-40 is fair enough ;-) and =A310 for the 10" vinyl. = yup.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mike coles
Sent: Thursday, December 04, = 2003 12:53=20 PM
Subject: [kj] prices

How much does the unperverted = pantomime? go=20 for in shops?

How much would gatherers expect to pay for a new vinyl 10" = of
a: Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with = inserts)
b: Wardance/Pssyche (with conscription form)
c: Requiem/Change (with sticker)

How much would gatherers expect to pay for a 4 CD boxed set=20 comprising:
miniature versions with sleeves of
Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with miniature=20 inserts)
Wardance/Pssyche (with miniature conscription form)
Requiem/Change (with normal sized sticker)
A fourth CD of demos from the first album including the killer = sinister=20 version of wardance, bloodsport, complications, requiem, tomorrow's = world,=20 almost red, follow the leaders dub and anything else I can lay my = hands=20 on.
A 20-page booklet of colesy inspired bollocks, bullshit and=20 photos.
All enclosed in a suitably colesified slipcase.
Analyse and discuss.

cheers,
colesy
--=20
Check out our merchandise at = http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk
...=20 and you can find more Killing Joke at=20 = http://www.studio-c.co.uk
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C3BAA0.8C362C00-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 19:08:46 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Antoni Adamiak) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:08:46 -0000 Subject: [kj] the great churchill/enterprise debate References: Message-ID: <022201c3ba9a$0b5bc780$4b5c08c3@mydomain.com> Good point there Dirk - Andreas should be in London, I'll ring him. I've been away for a few days but if folks wanna go to The Enterprise, that's fair enough but I kinda remember it being mobbed every time we've been there ... Regards, Antoni * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dirk Kingerske" To: Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: RE: [kj] the great churchill/enterprise debate > i hope noone gets lost...... perhaps you should contact your local leader..... andi, anyone???? > > > > >From: mike coles > >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net > >To: gathering@misera.net > >Subject: [kj] the great churchill/enterprise debate > >Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:23:01 +0000 > > > >I must say I've pondered this question deeply and conclude that I > >don't give a toss. > >Either one is twenty minutes away on a 31 bus. > >See you there. > >Where? > >cheers, > >colesy > >-- > >Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk > >... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk > >_______________________________________________ > >Gathering mailing list > >Gathering@misera.net > >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Freunde werben und kräftig abräumen mit der Messenger-Mania. Hier klicken - der Countdown läuft! Jetzt mitmachen und FreeSMS sichern! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 19:30:59 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 14:30:59 -0500 Subject: [kj] the great churchill/enterprise debate Message-ID: <200312041930.hB4JTjd0004105@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> I'm not going to be there, but it wounds my very soul to think that you'd bypass the Churchill Arms (where I've twice been to meet'n'greet with Gatherers) to goto a bar named after the spacecraft in fuckin' "Star Trek". Please, people, in the name of dignity and tradition, goto the Churchill Arms. Ale xin NYC ---------- >From: "Antoni Adamiak" >To: >Subject: Re: [kj] the great churchill/enterprise debate >Date: Thu, Dec 4, 2003, 2:08 PM > >Good point there Dirk - Andreas should be in London, I'll ring him. I've >been away for a few days but if folks wanna go to The Enterprise, that's >fair enough but I kinda remember it being mobbed every time we've been the= re >... > >Regards, > >Antoni > >* http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dirk Kingerske" >To: >Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:28 AM >Subject: RE: [kj] the great churchill/enterprise debate > > >> i hope noone gets lost...... perhaps you should contact your local >leader..... andi, anyone???? >> >> >> >> >From: mike coles >> >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >> >To: gathering@misera.net >> >Subject: [kj] the great churchill/enterprise debate >> >Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:23:01 +0000 >> > >> >I must say I've pondered this question deeply and conclude that I >> >don't give a toss. >> >Either one is twenty minutes away on a 31 bus. >> >See you there. >> >Where? >> >cheers, >> >colesy >> >-- >> >Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk >> >... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Gathering mailing list >> >Gathering@misera.net >> >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- >------ >> Freunde werben und kr=E4ftig abr=E4umen mit der Messenger-Mania. Hier >klicken - der Countdown l=E4uft! Jetzt mitmachen und FreeSMS sichern! >_______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >> > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 19:32:35 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:32:35 +0000 Subject: [kj] the enterhill church prize Message-ID: Andreas is definitely coming on Saturday. Last time we connected was before the great churchill/enterprise debate began. If he's been off-list he'll probably still be aiming for the Churchill. So unless I hear otherwise I'll head that way as I'm delivering clock number 008 to him and I don't want to carry it around all fucking night then bring it back home again covered in beer stains, curry and sick. cheers, colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 19:37:10 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mik Raven) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:37:10 -0000 Subject: [kj] the great churchill/enterprise debate References: <200312041930.hB4JTjd0004105@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <02a401c3ba9e$02dc58a0$0200a8c0@Paulas> The Enterprise does get quite busy, I'll admit that, but then so does the Churchill's Arms. Where I think the Enterprise wins is that it has some big tables, and provided you get there early enough there is room for all to sit. It beats standing around the cigarette machine trying to find a place to put your beer glass down. Mik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Smith" To: ; Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [kj] the great churchill/enterprise debate I'm not going to be there, but it wounds my very soul to think that you'd bypass the Churchill Arms (where I've twice been to meet'n'greet with Gatherers) to goto a bar named after the spacecraft in fuckin' "Star Trek". Please, people, in the name of dignity and tradition, goto the Churchill Arms. Ale xin NYC ---------- >From: "Antoni Adamiak" >To: >Subject: Re: [kj] the great churchill/enterprise debate >Date: Thu, Dec 4, 2003, 2:08 PM > >Good point there Dirk - Andreas should be in London, I'll ring him. I've >been away for a few days but if folks wanna go to The Enterprise, that's >fair enough but I kinda remember it being mobbed every time we've been there >... > >Regards, > >Antoni > >* http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dirk Kingerske" >To: >Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:28 AM >Subject: RE: [kj] the great churchill/enterprise debate > > >> i hope noone gets lost...... perhaps you should contact your local >leader..... andi, anyone???? >> >> >> >> >From: mike coles >> >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >> >To: gathering@misera.net >> >Subject: [kj] the great churchill/enterprise debate >> >Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:23:01 +0000 >> > >> >I must say I've pondered this question deeply and conclude that I >> >don't give a toss. >> >Either one is twenty minutes away on a 31 bus. >> >See you there. >> >Where? >> >cheers, >> >colesy >> >-- >> >Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk >> >... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Gathering mailing list >> >Gathering@misera.net >> >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >------ >> Freunde werben und kräftig abräumen mit der Messenger-Mania. Hier >klicken - der Countdown läuft! Jetzt mitmachen und FreeSMS sichern! >_______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >> > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 19:37:05 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 14:37:05 EST Subject: [kj] the great churchill/enterprise debate Message-ID: <1aa.1d799fda.2d00e6e1@aol.com> --part1_1aa.1d799fda.2d00e6e1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 04/12/03 11:34:32 Pacific Standard Time, vassifer@earthlink.net writes: > goto the Churchill > Arms. > > Amen Alex. Anyway its allright for you norf Lundunerds innit. --part1_1aa.1d799fda.2d00e6e1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 04/12/03 11:34:32 Pacific Standard=20= Time, vassifer@earthlink.net writes:

goto the Churchill
Arms.



  Amen Alex.

   Anyway its allright for you norf Lundunerds innit. --part1_1aa.1d799fda.2d00e6e1_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 21:14:52 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Antoni Adamiak) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 21:14:52 -0000 Subject: [kj] double take Message-ID: <025a01c3baab$a8e8aa20$4b5c08c3@mydomain.com> Anyone see the football last night ? What was Ted Parsons doing in goal for Reading FC ? And he was an American ... I'll cut a screen shot in a moment so you can make your own minds up ... * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 21:16:49 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 16:16:49 EST Subject: [kj] double take Message-ID: <17a.2360572f.2d00fe41@aol.com> --part1_17a.2360572f.2d00fe41_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 04/12/03 13:15:58 Pacific Standard Time, antoni@clara.net writes: > What was Ted Parsons doing in goal for > Reading FC Yep you are so right Antoni, i thought that...lol --part1_17a.2360572f.2d00fe41_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 04/12/03 13:15:58 Pacific Standard=20= Time, antoni@clara.net writes:

What was Ted Parsons doing in g= oal for
Reading FC


  Yep you are so right Antoni, i thought that...lol --part1_17a.2360572f.2d00fe41_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 21:35:09 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (death wish) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 21:35:09 +0000 Subject: [kj] Unperformable Message-ID: Anyone know if any of the following have ever been done live? Madness Who Told You How? Chapter III Have a Nice Day Land of Milk and Honey Dregs Fun and Games Harlequin Feast of Blaze Let's All Go Me Or You Europe Adorations A Southern Sky Wintergardens Solitude Kaliyuga-Struggle Black Moon T. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 21:51:39 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Antoni Adamiak) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 21:51:39 -0000 Subject: [kj] double take Message-ID: <027901c3bab0$cc52e160$4b5c08c3@mydomain.com> Second attempt ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Antoni Adamiak" To: Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [kj] double take > Nice one Jel. You can but laugh - http://home.clara.net/antoni/hahnem.jpg - > and we are top of the league ! > > Regards, > > Antoni > > * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:16 PM > Subject: Re: [kj] double take > > > > In a message dated 04/12/03 13:15:58 Pacific Standard Time, > antoni@clara.net > > writes: > > > > > What was Ted Parsons doing in goal for > > > Reading FC > > > > Yep you are so right Antoni, i thought that...lol > > > From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 19:50:38 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 14:50:38 EST Subject: [kj] the great churchill/enterprise debate Message-ID: <9b.418137e5.2d00ea0e@aol.com> --part1_9b.418137e5.2d00ea0e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 04/12/03 11:48:36 Pacific Standard Time, mik.raven@dial.pipex.com writes: > trying to find a place > to put your beer glass down. > > You put your beer glass down? Bloody northerners and they call us southern shandy drink etc's --part1_9b.418137e5.2d00ea0e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 04/12/03 11:48:36 Pacific Standard=20= Time, mik.raven@dial.pipex.com writes:

trying to find a place
to put your beer glass down.



   You put your beer glass down? Bloody northerners and they call=20= us southern shandy drink etc's --part1_9b.418137e5.2d00ea0e_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 21:49:44 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Antoni Adamiak) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 21:49:44 -0000 Subject: [kj] double take References: <17a.2360572f.2d00fe41@aol.com> Message-ID: <027201c3bab0$87cd6060$4b5c08c3@mydomain.com> Nice one Jel. You can but laugh - http://home.clara.net/antoni/hehnam.jpg - and we are top of the league ! Regards, Antoni * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [kj] double take > In a message dated 04/12/03 13:15:58 Pacific Standard Time, antoni@clara.net > writes: > > > What was Ted Parsons doing in goal for > > Reading FC > > Yep you are so right Antoni, i thought that...lol > From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 21:47:07 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Antoni Adamiak) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 21:47:07 -0000 Subject: [kj] Unperformable References: Message-ID: <026a01c3bab0$2a3da7c0$4b5c08c3@mydomain.com> * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * ----- Original Message ----- From: "death wish" To: Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:35 PM Subject: [kj] Unperformable > > Anyone know if any of the following have ever been done live? > > Chapter III > Have a Nice Day > Land of Milk and Honey Hammersmith Palais 23/02/82 and presumably other dates on that tour > Harlequin > Feast of Blaze Feast Of Blaze was played on the "small club tour" in December 1982 - Harlequin partially existed at the time in the guise of The Hive. Since the words to Feast Of Blaze were very different at this time, I have suspicions that the track may have been called The Serpent at the time. One ws played after the other, hence The Hive and The Serpent which is something touched on in those An Irrational Domain chapters ... > Europe at Barcelona methinks - there is an MP3 ... > Adorations Reading Festival 22/08/86 for sure ... Regards, Antoni From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 21:42:21 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 16:42:21 EST Subject: [kj] Unperformable Message-ID: <124.289530c8.2d01043d@aol.com> --part1_124.289530c8.2d01043d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think Adorations was done at Hammersmith in....christ....1986, i wouldnt swear on it mind, but fairly sure. Jel --part1_124.289530c8.2d01043d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think Adorations was done at Hammersmith in....christ....1986, i wouldnt=20= swear on it mind, but fairly sure.


   Jel --part1_124.289530c8.2d01043d_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 4 22:34:41 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 17:34:41 EST Subject: [kj] Unperformable Message-ID: <19c.1db555da.2d011081@aol.com> --part1_19c.1db555da.2d011081_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The point here behind the question is a good one...and I hope it can find its mark with the band before the next tour...and that is..for a band with such a vast body of excellent work to draw on, there's a lot that we've never heard live. Fingers crossed that some of these lesser known, but absolutely blinding songs could someday see live action. Above all though I want to hear more new material which appears to be in the works in the future. Life is good. --part1_19c.1db555da.2d011081_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The point here behind the question is a good one...and= I hope it can find its mark with the band before the next tour...and that i= s..for a band with such a vast body of excellent work to draw on, there's a=20= lot that we've never heard live.  Fingers crossed that some of these le= sser known, but absolutely blinding songs could someday see live action.&nbs= p; Above all though I want to hear more new material which appears to be in=20= the works in the future. 

Life is good. --part1_19c.1db555da.2d011081_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 5 00:02:33 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:02:33 -0500 Subject: [kj] prices Message-ID: <785CA940.63C16D61.0004DF86@aol.com> > How much does the unperverted pantomime? go for in shops? I think about Ł12. > How much would gatherers expect to pay for a new vinyl 10" of > a: Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with inserts) > b: Wardance/Pssyche (with conscription form) > c: Requiem/Change (with sticker) Not a lot, to be honest - approximately whatever those format's normally cost for new releases. > How much would gatherers expect to pay for a 4 CD boxed set comprising: > miniature versions with sleeves of > Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with miniature inserts) > Wardance/Pssyche (with miniature conscription form) > Requiem/Change (with normal sized sticker) > A fourth CD of demos from the first album including the killer sinister version of wardance, bloodsport, complications, requiem, tomorrow's world, almost red, follow the leaders dub and anything else I can lay my hands on. > A 20-page booklet of colesy inspired bollocks, bullshit and photos. > All enclosed in a suitably colesified slipcase. Fifty quid, or thereabouts. Jamie PS Sorry about beating Man Utd, Colesy... hahahahahahahaha... and fuck Arsenal too. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 5 00:49:49 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (sade1) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 16:49:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] Unperformable... In-Reply-To: <19c.1db555da.2d011081@aol.com> Message-ID: <20031205004949.74615.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> (Unbearable?) I think there's always going to be some cuts and compromises unless the band will go beyond their approx. 90-minute set length, though that still doesn't explain their total 'boycott' of the Extremities and Democracy CDs this time'round. Saul --- FlumeDC@aol.com wrote: > with such a > vast body of excellent work to draw on, ...Fingers crossed that some of these lesser known, but > absolutely > blinding songs could someday see live action ===== WHO WOULD JESUS BOMB? "Get me out of the here and now I want to be another here, another..." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 5 01:09:58 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bo Krogsgaard) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 02:09:58 +0100 (CET) Subject: [kj] prices In-Reply-To: <785CA940.63C16D61.0004DF86@aol.com> Message-ID: <20031205020836.W60412-100000@mother.brap.dk> On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 Jpwhkj@aol.com wrote: > > How much does the unperverted pantomime? go for in shops? > I think about =A312. Saw it for 26 Canadian at Archambault's in Montreal this summer, which is an overpriced store. Compared to prices here in Denmark, though, it was fairly priced. b From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 5 01:35:33 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Joachim Plorin) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 17:35:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] prices In-Reply-To: <20031204220527.03EF3DB70@four.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20031205013533.25157.qmail@web12607.mail.yahoo.com> UP goes for $16-18 here. Wax would be swell- why not make it colored and super-heavy- the 10" equivalent of audiophile quality 180/220 gram perhaps? The multi-hued "Incomplete Collection" was lovely to look at and is highly treasured, despite the crap thin sleeves and wax. And don't forget a vinyl version of the rarities disc! CD-box would go for about $40-50, similar to the Ministry singles collection. J > > How much does the unperverted pantomime? go for in > shops? > > How much would gatherers expect to pay for a new > vinyl 10" of > a: Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System > (with inserts) > b: Wardance/Pssyche (with conscription form) > c: Requiem/Change (with sticker) > > How much would gatherers expect to pay for a 4 CD > boxed set comprising: > miniature versions with sleeves of > Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with > miniature inserts) > Wardance/Pssyche (with miniature conscription form) > Requiem/Change (with normal sized sticker) > A fourth CD of demos from the first album including > the killer sinister > version of wardance, bloodsport, complications, > requiem, tomorrow's world, > almost red, follow the leaders dub and anything else > I can lay my hands on. > A 20-page booklet of colesy inspired bollocks, > bullshit and photos. > All enclosed in a suitably colesified slipcase. > Analyse and discuss. > > cheers, > colesy ===== Dragnet Drag - the Peter Murphy Information Site http://www.angelfire.com/music2/petermurphy/ "poetry-free since 1999!" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 5 02:11:47 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 02:11:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] the enterhill church prize Message-ID: <4526307.1070590307990.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> Hang on... you sent me my clock covered in beer stains, curry and sick. I thought they all came like that. > from: mike coles > date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:32:35 > to: gathering@misera.net > subject: Re: [kj] the enterhill church prize > > Andreas is definitely coming on Saturday. > Last time we connected was before the great churchill/enterprise debate began. > If he's been off-list he'll probably still be aiming for the Churchill. > So unless I hear otherwise I'll head that way as I'm delivering clock > number 008 to him and I don't want to carry it around all fucking > night then bring it back home again covered in beer stains, curry and > sick. > cheers, > colesy > -- > Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk > ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -- 'Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum' -- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 5 02:21:00 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 02:21:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] prices Message-ID: <6522078.1070590860145.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> =20 > How much does the unperverted pantomime? go for in shops? It's =A311.99 on amazon. (But add =A31.50 for post.) I think it was 12.99 in HMV last time I looked. >=20 > How much would gatherers expect to pay for a new vinyl 10" of > a: Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with inserts) > b: Wardance/Pssyche (with conscription form) > c: Requiem/Change (with sticker) I'd pay a tenner for all these. I fucking love 10" vinyl. Having once owned= (and lost) the original 10" nervous system, I'd be happy to pay a tenner, = and don't care about re-issues taking away from the value of the originals.= Bring 'em on. But make 'em the 180 gram thick vinyl platters with thick ca= rd sleeves. >=20 > How much would gatherers expect to pay for a 4 CD boxed set comprising: > miniature versions with sleeves of > Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with miniature inserts) > Wardance/Pssyche (with miniature conscription form) > Requiem/Change (with normal sized sticker) > A fourth CD of demos from the first album including the killer=20 > sinister version of wardance, bloodsport, complications, requiem,=20 > tomorrow's world, almost red, follow the leaders dub and anything=20 > else I can lay my hands on. > A 20-page booklet of colesy inspired bollocks, bullshit and photos. > All enclosed in a suitably colesified slipcase. > Analyse and discuss. Yes, =A335 - =A340 sounds about right, but if I saw it in a shop for =A360 = i'd probably shell out for that as well. Not to give you any ideas or anyth= ing. The demos CD clinches it, however. Vinyl of the new LP would be a defi= nite bonus. N >=20 > cheers, > colesy > --=20 > Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk > ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk -- 'Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum' -- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 5 08:41:18 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:41:18 +0000 Subject: [kj] clock Message-ID: --============_-1141508809==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hang on... you sent me my clock covered in beer stains, curry and sick. whatever you do - if you scratch it, don't sniff... colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk --============_-1141508809==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" clock
Hang on... you sent me my clock covered in beer stains, curry and sick.
whatever you do - if you scratch it, don't sniff...
colesy
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Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk
... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk
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------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C3BAD5.BCAC1360-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 5 11:34:37 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Phillipps Marc) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 11:34:37 -0000 Subject: [kj] the great churchill/enterprise debate Message-ID: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1AA@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> Have we decided yet ? > -----Original Message----- > From: Jelbod@aol.com [SMTP:Jelbod@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 7:51 PM > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] the great churchill/enterprise debate > > In a message dated 04/12/03 11:48:36 Pacific Standard Time, > mik.raven@dial.pipex.com writes: > > > > trying to find a place > to put your beer glass down. > > > > > > You put your beer glass down? Bloody northerners and they call us > southern shandy drink etc's > > This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 5 11:43:01 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 11:43:01 +0000 Subject: [kj] church prizes Message-ID: --============_-1141497910==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Have we decided yet ? Can someone wake Andy up and ask him? colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk --============_-1141497910==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" church prizes
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Coole Emoticons und Hintergründe für den MSN Messenger Hier kostenlos downloaden! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------=_NextPart_000_2053_773c_2428-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 5 11:59:32 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Phillipps Marc) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 11:59:32 -0000 Subject: [kj] RE:church prizes Message-ID: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1AC@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> Are you trying to email your thoughts Dirk ? :=AC) > -----Original Message----- > From: Dirk Kingerske [SMTP:dirkingerske@hotmail.com] > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 11:53 AM > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: [kj] RE:church prizes >=20 >=20 > _____ =20 >=20 > Coole Emoticons und Hintergr=FCnde f=FCr den MSN Messenger Hier = kostenlos > downloaden! =20 > _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing = list > Gathering@misera.net = http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >=20 >=20 This communication may contain information that is confidential and = legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). = If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information = within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet = Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 5 12:17:58 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Phillipps Marc) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 12:17:58 -0000 Subject: [kj] (ot) Not at all PC . . but you'll laugh Message-ID: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1AE@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> http://www.tardblog.com/ This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 5 12:45:53 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Lucy Cornwell) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 12:45:53 -0000 Subject: [kj] (ot) Not at all PC . . but you'll laugh In-Reply-To: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1AE@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> Message-ID: HAHAHAHAHA brilliant!! -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of Phillipps Marc Sent: 05 December 2003 12:18 To: 'Gathering' Subject: [kj] (ot) Not at all PC . . but you'll laugh http://www.tardblog.com/ This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. 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This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 5 13:44:53 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?killing=20joke?=) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:44:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] prices In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031205134453.26756.qmail@web25101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --0-418679902-1070631893=:25215 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit colesy i'll buy them and may kjust scour the attic...for something to bring to the party (ticket stubs etc from 80 - 84) cheers mark mike coles wrote: How much does the unperverted pantomime? go for in shops? How much would gatherers expect to pay for a new vinyl 10" of a: Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with inserts) b: Wardance/Pssyche (with conscription form) c: Requiem/Change (with sticker) How much would gatherers expect to pay for a 4 CD boxed set comprising: miniature versions with sleeves of Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with miniature inserts) Wardance/Pssyche (with miniature conscription form) Requiem/Change (with normal sized sticker) A fourth CD of demos from the first album including the killer sinister version of wardance, bloodsport, complications, requiem, tomorrow's world, almost red, follow the leaders dub and anything else I can lay my hands on. A 20-page booklet of colesy inspired bollocks, bullshit and photos. All enclosed in a suitably colesified slipcase. Analyse and discuss. cheers, colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk --------------------------------- Download Yahoo! Messenger now for a chance to WIN Robbie Williams "Live At Knebworth DVD" --0-418679902-1070631893=:25215 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
colesy
 
i'll buy them and may kjust scour the attic...for something to bring to the party (ticket stubs etc from 80 - 84)
cheers
mark


mike coles <mike@maliciousdamage.co.uk> wrote:
How much does the unperverted pantomime? go for in shops?

How much would gatherers expect to pay for a new vinyl 10" of
a: Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with inserts)
b: Wardance/Pssyche (with conscription form)
c: Requiem/Change (with sticker)

How much would gatherers expect to pay for a 4 CD boxed set comprising:
miniature versions with sleeves of
Turn To Red/Are You Receiving/Nervous System (with miniature inserts)
Wardance/Pssyche (with miniature conscription form)
Requiem/Change (with normal sized sticker)
A fourth CD of demos from the first album including the killer sinister version of wardance, bloodsport, complications, requiem, tomorrow's world, almost red, follow the leaders dub and anything else I can lay my hands on.
A 20-page booklet of colesy inspired bollocks, bullshit and photos.
All enclosed in a suitably colesified slipcase.
Analyse and discuss.

cheers,
colesy
--
Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk
... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk

Download Yahoo! Messenger now for a chance to WIN Robbie Williams "Live At Knebworth DVD" --0-418679902-1070631893=:25215-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 5 14:01:39 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 15:01:39 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: Fwd: [revolutionUK] stopping the weapons of maths instruction Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----19de720453634611 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-path: Received: from mta-in2 (15.30.168.192.in-addr.arpa [192.168.30.15]) by ims-2.iol.cz (Internet on Line ESMTP Server) with ESMTP id <0HPF00LHGCCYKY@ims-2.iol.cz> for xps1@quick.cz; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 14:34:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.85]) by mta-in2.iol.cz (Internet on Line ESMTP Server) with SMTP id <0HPF00CRBCCW70@mta-in2.iol.cz> for xps1+unfiltered@quick.cz (ORCPT xps1@quick.cz); Fri, 05 Dec 2003 14:34:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:34:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 2247 invoked from network); Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:34:03 +0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:34:03 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.23.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:34:03 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 05:34:03 -0800 Received: from 81.128.142.45 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:34:02 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:34:02 +0000 From: yaz pistachio Subject: [revolutionUK] stopping the weapons of maths instruction X-Originating-IP: [81.128.142.45] X-Sender: redhotcat68@hotmail.com X-Sender: redhotcat68@hotmail.com To: revolutionuk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Reply-to: revolutionUK@yahoogroups.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list revolutionUK@yahoogroups.com Mailing-List: list revolutionUK@yahoogroups.com; contact revolutionUK-owner@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Return: sentto-2940156-3982-1070631245-xps1=quick.cz@returns.groups.yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: revolutionuk@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-Email: [redhotcat68@hotmail.com] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.4.23.73 List-Unsubscribe: Original-recipient: rfc822;xps1@quick.cz X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2003 13:34:03.0132 (UTC) FILETIME=[72913BC0:01C3BB34] oh ho ho sorry i just can' t help myself. i think this is really clever.:) joy Hot off the wires: Stopping the Weapons of Math Instruction At New YorkŐs Kennedy airport today, an individual later discovered to be a public school teacher was arrested trying to board a flight while in possession of a ruler, a protractor, a setsquare, a slide rule, and a calculator. 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Here is one principle he is uncertain of: though they continue to multiply, their days are numbered as the hypotenuse tightens around their necks." _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/XgSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: revolutionUK-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----19de720453634611-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 5 14:04:07 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 15:04:07 +0100 Subject: [kj] Faust & Devils Message-ID: Anyone who is gonna be in Prague, here is the address: Faust & Devils Gallery Dejvicka 48 Praha 6 (entrance from Na hutich 8 bellow Faust records studio) Nearest Tube Dejvicka (A-line) cheers and I am landing off to be there in 2 hours. PAVEL From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 5 14:22:50 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Phillipps Marc) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:22:50 -0000 Subject: [kj] (ot) Friday Joke . . . Message-ID: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1B0@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> > Little David was in his 5th grade class when the teacher asked the children > what their fathers did for a living. All the typical answers came > -- fireman, policeman, salesman, etc... > > David was being uncharacteristically quiet and so the teacher asked him > about his father. "My father's an exotic dancer in a gay cabaret and takes > off all his clothes in front of other men. Sometimes, if the offer's really > good, he'll go out to the alley with some guy and have sex with him for > money." > > The teacher, obviously shaken by this statement, hurriedly set the other > children to work on some colouring, and took Little David aside to ask him, > "Is that really true about your father?" > > "No," said David, "He works for the Bush administration, but I was too > embarrassed to say that in front of the other kids." This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 5 14:44:52 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Cliff and Kara Livingston) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 05:44:52 -0900 Subject: [kj] Faust & Devils References: Message-ID: <00b101c3bb3e$587169e0$2e8a70d1@antifrz> Hey Pavel, Have a great time with the guys tonight at Jaz's art gallery opening.,and send our love to the jokers. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 5:04 AM Subject: [kj] Faust & Devils > Anyone who is gonna be in Prague, here is the address: > > Faust & Devils Gallery > Dejvicka 48 > Praha 6 > > (entrance from Na hutich 8 bellow Faust records studio) > > Nearest Tube Dejvicka (A-line) > > cheers and I am landing off to be there in 2 hours. > > PAVEL > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 5 16:47:39 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dirk Kingerske) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 17:47:39 +0100 Subject: [kj] test 3,2,1 Message-ID:

are you receiving?????



 


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--============_-1141478962==_ma============-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 5 17:12:37 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Ford Prefect) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:12:37 -0000 Subject: [kj] test References: Message-ID: <002901c3bb52$fbdb1fe0$3de19151@sn7212787026> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C3BB52.FB936880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable for some reason i never get text in your mails dirk. just some msn stuff = at the bottom of a blank page? graham ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dirk Kingerske=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 11:57 AM Subject: [kj] test -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Coole Emoticons und Hintergr=FCnde f=FCr den MSN Messenger Hier = kostenlos downloaden! ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C3BB52.FB936880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
for some reason i never = get text in=20 your mails dirk. just some msn stuff at the bottom of a blank = page?
graham
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dirk=20 Kingerske
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 = 11:57=20 AM
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got that = one
graham
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dirk=20 Kingerske
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 = 4:47=20 PM
Subject: [kj] test 3,2,1

are you receiving?????



 


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that's exactly the problem.... I hope it's sorted now....

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>for some reason i never get text in your mails dirk. just some msn stuff at the bottom of a blank page?
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MSN Mobile - Hotmail Nachrichten aufs Handy Hier klicken From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 5 17:47:39 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:47:39 +0000 Subject: [kj] final answers Message-ID: OK gatherers, final answers. When I get the 31 bus tomorrow am I travelling north or south? cheers, colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 5 18:04:29 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:04:29 +0000 Subject: [kj] tomorrow Message-ID: I'm shutting down for the night so ask me no questions. If I don't hear otherwise I'll head for the Churchill tomorrow. cheers, colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 5 18:21:16 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Antoni Adamiak) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:21:16 -0000 Subject: [kj] tomorrow References: Message-ID: <00a401c3bb5c$93935ec0$84887ed4@mydomain.com> I'm going with the majority ! See you at The Churchill Arms ... * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike coles" To: Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 6:04 PM Subject: [kj] tomorrow > I'm shutting down for the night so ask me no questions. > If I don't hear otherwise I'll head for the Churchill tomorrow. > cheers, > colesy > -- > Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk > ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 5 19:21:22 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 14:21:22 -0500 Subject: [kj] test 3,2,1 Message-ID: <200312051921.hB5JKPgv011816@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3153478882_144775_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Loud & Clear, my testy Teutonic friend. Alex in NYC ---------- From: "Dirk Kingerske" To: gathering@misera.net Subject: [kj] test 3,2,1 Date: Fri, Dec 5, 2003, 11:47 AM are you receiving????? Freunde werben und kr=E4ftig abr=E4umen mit der Messenger-Mania. Hier klicken - der Countdown l=E4uft! Jetzt mitmachen und FreeSMS sichern! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering --MS_Mac_OE_3153478882_144775_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] test 3,2,1
Loud & Clear, my testy Teutonic friend.

Alex in NYC


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From: "Dirk Kingerske" <dirkingerske@hotmail.com>
To: gathering@misera.net
Subject: [kj] test 3,2,1
Date: Fri, Dec 5, 2003, 11:47 AM


are you receiving?????



 


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--MS_Mac_OE_3153478882_144775_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 3 20:02:29 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Stephen Robinson) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:02:29 -0000 Subject: [kj] OT Bunnymen Sunday......greatttttttttttt References: <200312030331.hB33V9qI027524@basil.jkm.net> <16539.1070441502@www68.gmx.net> Message-ID: <000301c3bb6d$84018f70$5ed04c51@mycomputer> Have you ever read "Beautiful Losers"? Written before his first album? If fantasic! If you ever had any doubts that Leonard Cohen was the greatest conceptual comedian of the late 20th Centry, that book will remove it. Not read any of his others, but I will get around to it. > > maybe it's like with Leonard Cohen: his voice is so much more special now, > after all those cigarettes and the alcohol with the years than when he was > young and his voice plain. > > Astrid. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 5 23:23:29 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Antoni Adamiak) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 23:23:29 -0000 Subject: [kj] *Europe* live MP3 References: <026a01c3bab0$2a3da7c0$4b5c08c3@mydomain.com> Message-ID: <000801c3bb86$cb8e0580$8b5c08c3@mydomain.com> * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "death wish" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:35 PM > Subject: [kj] Unperformable > > > Europe > > at Barcelona methinks - there is an MP3 ... > Apparently performed on 21st December 1984 in Barcelona. And here it is : http://home.clara.net/antoni/Barcelona21dec84_europe.mp3 (4.08Mb) Regards, Antoni * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 6 02:12:28 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 20:12:28 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] OT Bunnymen Sunday......greatttttttttttt In-Reply-To: <000301c3bb6d$84018f70$5ed04c51@mycomputer> from "Stephen Robinson" at Dec 03, 2003 08:02:29 PM Message-ID: <200312060212.hB62CSSP003838@basil.jkm.net> > > maybe it's like with Leonard Cohen: his voice is so much more special now, > > after all those cigarettes and the alcohol with the years than when he was > > young and his voice plain. NO. I am a *huge* Echo & The Bunnymen fan and would have Mac's baby in a heartbeat. There are only two other guys on the planet that even compare: Johnny Depp and Orlando Bloom if ya wanna know ;-) Mac's voice was fucking *majestic* at its prime. Age alone will change a voice, but through the Electrafixion years (til 1996) he was sublime. Truly in my opinion the best voice I have ever heard. Today cigarettes have wrecked his vocal range and stamina -- ability to belt out stuff without needing to breathe. Given that his dad died young of cancer, I truly wish for his health and his voice that he would *stop*. He has cut far back on his drinking, but that only tends to make people smoke *more*. The release of the first five albums, remastered, has only driven this home even more, because the remasters uncover more of the subtleties of his vocals. No, Mac's voice has never been plain, but now it's becoming sooty and yellowed with cigarette smoke. From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 6 03:34:24 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 22:34:24 -0500 Subject: [kj] *Europe* live MP3 In-Reply-To: <000801c3bb86$cb8e0580$8b5c08c3@mydomain.com> Message-ID: <3FD107F0.26458.1A501F6@localhost> thanks antoni really love the sound of the 84stuff, still geordie's best era imo From: "Antoni Adamiak" To: Subject: Re: [kj] *Europe* live MP3 Send reply to: gathering@misera.net Date sent: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 23:23:29 -0000 > > * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "death wish" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:35 PM > > Subject: [kj] Unperformable > > > > > > Europe > > > > at Barcelona methinks - there is an MP3 ... > > > > Apparently performed on 21st December 1984 in Barcelona. > > And here it is : http://home.clara.net/antoni/Barcelona21dec84_europe.mp3 > (4.08Mb) > > Regards, > > Antoni > > * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 6 11:00:20 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Antoni Adamiak) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 11:00:20 -0000 Subject: [kj] worth a flutter ? maybe not ... Message-ID: <000701c3bbe8$24f13460$ed5c08c3@mydomain.com> It appears that the old nag Killing Joke runs again in the evening meeting at Wolverhampton. 13 runners over 2 miles in the "Bet Direct Through Attheraces Handicap" at 9pm. Seems to be a bit of an outside bet at 12-1 (the fav Madhahir is 7-2). I guess his recent form 3, 8, -, 8, 6, 8 does not leave one with too much confidence although since the race is taking place in the Night Time must surely be to Killing Joke's advantage ... * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 6 11:16:01 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 06:16:01 EST Subject: Fwd: [kj] worth a flutter ? maybe not ... Message-ID: <171.2755b4cd.2d031471@aol.com> --part1_171.2755b4cd.2d031471_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_171.2755b4cd.2d031471_alt_boundary" --part1_171.2755b4cd.2d031471_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not that I'm a gambling man JOKE me mate is going to place an each way bet on it, if it comes through it will be an early xmas present, lets just hope the spirit is with it.......stranger things have happened!!! Dave --part1_171.2755b4cd.2d031471_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not that I'm a gambling man JOKE me mate is going to place an each way bet o= n it, if it comes through it will be an early xmas present, lets just hope t= he spirit is with it.......stranger things have happened!!!

Dave
 --part1_171.2755b4cd.2d031471_alt_boundary-- --part1_171.2755b4cd.2d031471_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-xg06.mx.aol.com (rly-xg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.115.197]) by air-xg03.mail.aol.com (v97.10) with ESMTP id MAILINXG33-7023fd1b6b62d7; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 06:00:28 -0500 Received: from four.pairlist.net (four.pairlist.net [216.92.1.120]) by rly-xg06.mx.aol.com (v97.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXG64-7023fd1b6b62d7; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 06:00:07 -0500 Received: from four.pairlist.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by four.pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA4FDB64; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 06:00:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: gathering@four.pairlist.net Received: from mu.pair.com (mu.pair.com [209.68.1.23]) by four.pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 67957DB57 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 05:58:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 81153 invoked by uid 7122); 6 Dec 2003 10:58:50 -0000 Delivered-To: misera-misera:net-gathering@misera.net Received: (qmail 81150 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 10:58:50 -0000 Received: from zephir.uk.clara.net (195.8.69.53) by mu.pair.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 10:58:50 -0000 Received: from du-021-0237.claranet.co.uk ([195.8.92.237] helo=host) by zephir.uk.clara.net with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ASa9B-000HPJ-3e for gathering@misera.net; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 10:58:49 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c3bbe8$24f13460$ed5c08c3@mydomain.com> From: "Antoni Adamiak" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [kj] worth a flutter ? maybe not ... Sender: gathering-admin@misera.net Errors-To: gathering-admin@misera.net X-BeenThere: gathering@misera.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gathering@misera.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 11:00:20 -0000 X-AOL-IP: 216.92.1.120 It appears that the old nag Killing Joke runs again in the evening meeting at Wolverhampton. 13 runners over 2 miles in the "Bet Direct Through Attheraces Handicap" at 9pm. Seems to be a bit of an outside bet at 12-1 (the fav Madhahir is 7-2). I guess his recent form 3, 8, -, 8, 6, 8 does not leave one with too much confidence although since the race is taking place in the Night Time must surely be to Killing Joke's advantage ... * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering --part1_171.2755b4cd.2d031471_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 7 01:32:35 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Antoni Adamiak) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 01:32:35 -0000 Subject: [kj] worth a flutter ? maybe not ... References: <171.2755b4cd.2d031471@aol.com> Message-ID: <002901c3bc61$fe9a98e0$79887ed4@mydomain.com> 9.00: 3 Killing Joke M Fenton 12-1, 10 Radiant Bride A Reilly 33-1, 1 Sashay Stephanie Hollinshead 13-2, 12 ran, non runners : 5. Oh my gawd. it fucking won - Colesy put his money where his money was & it came up trumps ! Killing Joke rules ! * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 11:16 AM Subject: Fwd: [kj] worth a flutter ? maybe not ... > > Not that I'm a gambling man JOKE me mate is going to place an each way bet on > it, if it comes through it will be an early xmas present, lets just hope the > spirit is with it.......stranger things have happened!!! > > Dave > From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 7 02:24:19 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 02:24:19 +0000 Subject: [kj] Very much OT: FAO Alex - Visiting NYC In-Reply-To: <200312051921.hB5JKPgv011816@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> References: <200312051921.hB5JKPgv011816@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <1070763859.3fd28f53c9d95@www.boltblue.com> Hi Alex, I'm visiting NYC next weekend, arriving on the Friday hopefully as I have some business with a company in Times Sq. Staying for 3 nights and bringing the wife with me as a bit of an Xmas break. I want to see as much of the best of NYC as possible so can you suggest a brief guide as to what to see and what not to bother with? Thanks, Darrin -------------------------------------------------------------- Sent with "Me-Mail", Boltblue's FREE mobile messaging service. http://www.boltblue.com From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 7 07:25:58 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 01:25:58 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: Yep, another year... In-Reply-To: <1070763859.3fd28f53c9d95@www.boltblue.com> Message-ID: Shit! Another year has passed. I age one more number today. Time for a beer, a shot of whiskey, and a lap dance. (o)(o) Cheers J KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 7 08:10:04 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Thomas Kennedy) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 00:10:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT: Yep, another year... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031207081004.63743.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> --0-615430350-1070784604=:60747 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii listen to 'Payback' by SLAYER - that'll make you feel better. : ) Tom. Jester wrote: Shit! Another year has passed. I age one more number today. Time for a beer, a shot of whiskey, and a lap dance. (o)(o) Cheers J KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering --0-615430350-1070784604=:60747 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
listen to 'Payback' by SLAYER - that'll make you feel better.  : )
 
Tom.


Jester <webmaster@killing-joke.com> wrote:
Shit!

Another year has passed. I age one more number today.


Time for a beer, a shot of whiskey, and a lap dance. (o)(o)

Cheers
J


KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place like 127.0.0.1

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--0-615430350-1070784604=:60747-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 7 10:02:48 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:02:48 +0000 Subject: [kj] happy birthday to you... Message-ID: happy birthday to you... happy birthday dear joe...happy birthday to you Have a good one young man - I'll buy you a drink when I get my winnings (a fiver@12-1=60quid!!). Antoni, I told you the sign of the dog in Kilburn High Road was a winner!! Good to see you and Mik & Paula & Andy last night. Maybe we should have the next gathering in a phone box? cheers, colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 7 10:04:51 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bo Krogsgaard) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 11:04:51 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: Yep, another year... In-Reply-To: References: <1070763859.3fd28f53c9d95@www.boltblue.com> Message-ID: <3FD30953.10477.3007A1C@localhost> On 7 Dec 2003 at 1:25, Jester wrote: > Another year has passed. I age one more number today. > Time for a beer, a shot of whiskey, and a lap dance. (o)(o) I don't like that "a" thing. How about i teach you multiplication as bday present? Just check that the boobies come in pairs. b From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 7 10:12:23 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dirk Kingerske) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 11:12:23 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: Yep, another year... Message-ID:



and one on the back ... in case she wants to dance with you......

>From: "Bo Krogsgaard"
>Reply-To: gathering@misera.net
>To: gathering@misera.net
>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Yep, another year...
>Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 11:04:51 +0100
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>On 7 Dec 2003 at 1:25, Jester wrote:
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> > Another year has passed. I age one more number today.
> > Time for a beer, a shot of whiskey, and a lap dance. (o)(o)
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>I don't like that "a" thing. How about i teach you multiplication as bday present?
>
>Just check that the boobies come in pairs.
>
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>b
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Lieblingssong auf’s Handy laden oder Display aufpeppen – bei MSN gibt’s jetzt auch polyphone Klingeltöne & farbige Logos! Hier klicken From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 7 10:57:20 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 05:57:20 EST Subject: Fwd: [kj] worth a flutter ? maybe not ... Message-ID: <47.36c0c32f.2d046190@aol.com> --part1_47.36c0c32f.2d046190_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_47.36c0c32f.2d046190_alt_boundary" --part1_47.36c0c32f.2d046190_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A mate has just phoned to give me the news,cant believe it , had a tenner each way on it, the boys must have willed it to win. Think I may have a little celebratry pint !!!! --part1_47.36c0c32f.2d046190_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A mate has just phoned to give me the news,cant believe it , had a tenner ea= ch way on it, the boys must have willed it to win.

Think I may have a little celebratry pint !!!!
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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: gathering-admin@misera.net Errors-To: gathering-admin@misera.net X-BeenThere: gathering@misera.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gathering@misera.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 01:32:35 -0000 X-AOL-IP: 216.92.1.120 9.00: 3 Killing Joke M Fenton 12-1, 10 Radiant Bride A Reilly 33-1, 1 Sashay Stephanie Hollinshead 13-2, 12 ran, non runners : 5. Oh my gawd. it fucking won - Colesy put his money where his money was & it came up trumps ! Killing Joke rules ! * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 11:16 AM Subject: Fwd: [kj] worth a flutter ? maybe not ... > > Not that I'm a gambling man JOKE me mate is going to place an each way bet on > it, if it comes through it will be an early xmas present, lets just hope the > spirit is with it.......stranger things have happened!!! > > Dave > _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering --part1_47.36c0c32f.2d046190_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 7 11:55:42 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Cliff and Kara Livingston) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 02:55:42 -0900 Subject: [kj] OT: Yep, another year... References: Message-ID: <013201c3bcb9$0edc5c00$2e8a70d1@antifrz> Happy Birthday Jester ya Sag-a-crabby-ass Love Cliff & Kara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jester" To: "Gathering" Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 10:25 PM Subject: [kj] OT: Yep, another year... > Shit! > > Another year has passed. I age one more number today. > > > Time for a beer, a shot of whiskey, and a lap dance. (o)(o) > > Cheers > J > > > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! > OCCISIO LOCATIO > > THE WEBMASTER, > JESTER > WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM > WWW.PARALLAX1.COM > > There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > > "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or > Gates?" > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 7 12:24:02 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 12:24:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] OT: Yep, another year... Message-ID: <1574716.1070799842712.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> Many happy returns Joe - now go and enjoy a brisk walk, a cup of tea and an early night.... N > from: Jester > date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 07:25:58 > to: gathering@misera.net > subject: Re: [kj] OT: Yep, another year... > > Shit! > > Another year has passed. I age one more number today. > > > Time for a beer, a shot of whiskey, and a lap dance. (o)(o) > > Cheers > J > > > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! > OCCISIO LOCATIO > > THE WEBMASTER, > JESTER > WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM > WWW.PARALLAX1.COM -- 'Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum' -- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 7 13:25:57 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Astrid Pretterhofer) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 14:25:57 +0100 (MET) Subject: [kj] OT: Yep, another year... References: <1574716.1070799842712.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <20311.1070803557@www48.gmx.net> happy birthday, Jester! may it be a good onw! :) cheers, Astrid. > > from: Jester > > date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 07:25:58 > > to: gathering@misera.net > > subject: Re: [kj] OT: Yep, another year... > > > > Shit! > > > > Another year has passed. I age one more number today. > > > > > > Time for a beer, a shot of whiskey, and a lap dance. (o)(o) > > > > Cheers > > J > > > > > > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! > > OCCISIO LOCATIO > > > > THE WEBMASTER, > > JESTER > > WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM > > WWW.PARALLAX1.COM > > > > -- 'Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum' -- > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > -- +++ GMX - die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More +++ Neu: Preissenkung für MMS und FreeMMS! http://www.gmx.net From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 7 14:30:15 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (J.D.Spooner) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 14:30:15 -0000 Subject: [kj] OT: Yep, another year... References: Message-ID: <001401c3bcce$a2030e60$4be90651@firedancutwuc1> Very Happy Birthday to you Jester Have a good one ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jester" To: "Gathering" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 7:25 AM Subject: [kj] OT: Yep, another year... > Shit! > > Another year has passed. I age one more number today. > > > Time for a beer, a shot of whiskey, and a lap dance. (o)(o) > > Cheers > J > > > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! > OCCISIO LOCATIO > > THE WEBMASTER, > JESTER > WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM > WWW.PARALLAX1.COM > > There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > > "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or > Gates?" > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 7 15:10:19 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dave Axford) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:10:19 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: Yep, another year... References: Message-ID: <002101c3bcd4$3ae39d70$826f8a3f@Joker> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C3BCAA.51CD3110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Jester" To: "Gathering" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 2:25 AM Subject: [kj] OT: Yep, another year... > Shit! >=20 > Another year has passed. I age one more number today. >=20 >=20 > Time for a beer, a shot of whiskey, and a lap dance. (o)(o) >=20 You know.... Dirty old men have to pay twice as much for a lap dance = than young strapping lads do. Happy birthday Joe! Axford ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C3BCAA.51CD3110 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jester" <webmaster@killing-joke.com>
To: "Gathering" <gathering@misera.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 2:25 = AM
Subject: [kj] OT: Yep, another = year...

> Shit!
>
> Another year has = passed. I age=20 one more number today.
>
>
> Time for a beer, a shot = of=20 whiskey, and a lap dance. (o)(o)
>
You=20 know.... Dirty old men have to pay twice as much for a lap dance than = young=20 strapping lads do.
 
Happy birthday = Joe!
 
Axford
------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C3BCAA.51CD3110-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 7 15:08:17 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:08:17 EST Subject: [kj] OT: Yep, another year... Message-ID: <71.38893e76.2d049c61@aol.com> --part1_71.38893e76.2d049c61_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HAPPY BIRTHDAY JESTER Sagittarius eh? Half man, Half horse = licence to shit in the street, as Billy Connely puts it. Keep up the good stuff Moldewolf --part1_71.38893e76.2d049c61_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

HAPPY BIRTHDAY     =             &nbs= p; JESTER


Sagittarius eh? Half man, Half horse =3D licence to shit in the street, as B= illy Connely puts it.

Keep up the good stuff

Moldewolf --part1_71.38893e76.2d049c61_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 7 16:28:01 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:28:01 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] OT: Yep, another year... In-Reply-To: <20031207081004.63743.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> from "Thomas Kennedy" at Dec 07, 2003 12:10:04 AM Message-ID: <200312071628.hB7GS1Zw017561@basil.jkm.net> > Time for a beer, a shot of whiskey, and a lap dance. (o)(o) Can you get a spanking for your birthday from the lap dancers? ;-) From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 7 16:52:14 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?Marcos=20Santiago?=) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:52:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] OT Bunnymen Sunday......greatttttttttttt In-Reply-To: <200312060212.hB62CSSP003838@basil.jkm.net> Message-ID: <20031207165214.29767.qmail@web41603.mail.yahoo.com> well my friend i agree in everything you said... but i think mac was not the greatest voice ever... no doubt my friend the greatest voice was and still is...gordon sharp...cindy talk voice...have you ever heard this before??...try it....you will be amazed with gordon voice...yoiu can find him also in this mortal coil first album,black rose and pankow... regards...MAURICIO...in venezuela --- Amy Moseley Rupp escribió: > > > maybe it's like with Leonard Cohen: his voice is > so much more special now, > > > after all those cigarettes and the alcohol with > the years than when he was > > > young and his voice plain. > > NO. > > I am a *huge* Echo & The Bunnymen fan and would have > Mac's baby in > a heartbeat. There are only two other guys on the > planet that even > compare: Johnny Depp and Orlando Bloom if ya wanna > know ;-) > > Mac's voice was fucking *majestic* at its prime. > Age alone will > change a voice, but through the Electrafixion years > (til 1996) > he was sublime. Truly in my opinion the best voice > I have ever > heard. > > Today cigarettes have wrecked his vocal range and > stamina -- > ability to belt out stuff without needing to > breathe. Given > that his dad died young of cancer, I truly wish for > his health > and his voice that he would *stop*. He has cut far > back on > his drinking, but that only tends to make people > smoke *more*. > > The release of the first five albums, remastered, > has only > driven this home even more, because the remasters > uncover > more of the subtleties of his vocals. No, Mac's > voice has > never been plain, but now it's becoming sooty and > yellowed > with cigarette smoke. > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Información de Estados Unidos y América Latina, en Yahoo! Noticias. Visítanos en http://noticias.espanol.yahoo.com From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 7 17:17:34 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gabriella_Wing=E5rdh?=) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 18:17:34 +0100 Subject: [kj] Faust & Devils References: Message-ID: <004001c3bce6$016ebb80$030c43d5@oemcomputer> For how long will the Faust & Devils exhibit be? -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------- The pun is mightier than the sword From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 7 17:29:59 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Brian Whitehead) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 17:29:59 -0000 Subject: [kj] O/T I am a sinner Message-ID: <005301c3bce7$be416590$fc487ad5@EmmaJane> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C3BCE7.BD6620C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Forgive me for I have sined. I fell into the sinical Miles hunt trap and went to see the Wonderstuff = in Manchester on Friday night. You see he wheels out the Wonderstuff = when he's a bit skint. Sorry about the language but what a efin waste of 60 quid for two of us. = Twice the price of a KJ gig and 1 millionth of the entertainment. That = Miles Hunt is the most arrogant self centered piece of sh** on this = planet. My humble apologies I will not stray again. Brian. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C3BCE7.BD6620C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Forgive me for I have = sined.
 
I fell into the sinical Miles hunt trap = and went to=20 see the Wonderstuff in Manchester on Friday night. You see he wheels out = the=20 Wonderstuff when he's a bit skint.
Sorry about the language but what a = efin waste of=20 60 quid for two of us. Twice the price of a KJ gig and 1 millionth of = the=20 entertainment. That Miles Hunt is the most arrogant self centered piece = of sh**=20 on this planet.
 
My humble apologies I will not stray=20 again.
 
Brian. 
------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C3BCE7.BD6620C0-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 7 17:47:43 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Ford Prefect) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 17:47:43 -0000 Subject: [kj] OT: Yep, another year... References: Message-ID: <001201c3bcea$37c96320$91069151@sn7212787026> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3BCEA.375B5F10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable a beer, a shot of whiskey, and a lap dance. (o)(o) in that order, or all at thesame time? Happy Birthday old chap, and make it a good one graham ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jester=20 To: Gathering=20 Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 7:25 AM Subject: [kj] OT: Yep, another year... Shit! Another year has passed. I age one more number today. Time for a beer, a shot of whiskey, and a lap dance. (o)(o) Cheers J KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows = or Gates?" _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3BCEA.375B5F10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 a beer, a shot of whiskey, and a lap dance.=20 (o)(o)
 
in that order, or all = at thesame=20 time?
 
Happy Birthday old = chap, and make it=20 a good one
 
graham
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jester
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 = 7:25=20 AM
Subject: [kj] OT: Yep, another=20 year...

Shit!

Another year has passed. I age one more = number=20 today.


Time for a beer, a shot of whiskey, and a lap dance. = (o)(o)

Cheers
J


KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH=20 HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There = is no=20 place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what = use do=20 we have for Windows=20 = or
Gates?"

_______________________________________________
G= athering=20 mailing list
Gathering@misera.net
http://four.= pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3BCEA.375B5F10-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 7 18:29:43 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:29:43 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: Yep, another year... Message-ID: <200312071829.hB7ISld0011637@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JOE! Alex in NYC ---------- >From: Jester >To: Gathering >Subject: [kj] OT: Yep, another year... >Date: Sun, Dec 7, 2003, 2:25 AM > >Shit! > >Another year has passed. I age one more number today. > > >Time for a beer, a shot of whiskey, and a lap dance. (o)(o) > >Cheers >J > > >KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! >OCCISIO LOCATIO > >THE WEBMASTER, >JESTER >WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM >WWW.PARALLAX1.COM > >There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > >"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or >Gates?" > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 7 18:33:44 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:33:44 -0500 Subject: [kj] O/T I am a sinner Message-ID: <200312071833.hB7IXUcw018502@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3153648824_377925_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Not only am I a fan of the Wonder Stuff and Miles Hunt, but fuckin' flew to England in 2000 to see their reunion tour. Miles' solo stuff may be the most boring music ever recorded (and yes it is), but I shan't hear anything bad said about the `Stuff. Alex in NYC ---------- From: "Brian Whitehead" To: "Gathering" Subject: [kj] O/T I am a sinner Date: Sun, Dec 7, 2003, 12:29 PM Forgive me for I have sined. I fell into the sinical Miles hunt trap and went to see the Wonderstuff in Manchester on Friday night. You see he wheels out the Wonderstuff when he's a bit skint. Sorry about the language but what a efin waste of 60 quid for two of us. Twice the price of a KJ gig and 1 millionth of the entertainment. That Miles Hunt is the most arrogant self centered piece of sh** on this planet. My humble apologies I will not stray again. Brian. --MS_Mac_OE_3153648824_377925_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] O/T I am a sinner
Not only am I a fan of the Wonder Stuff and Miles Hunt, but fuckin' flew to= England in 2000 to see their reunion tour. Miles' solo stuff may be the mos= t boring music ever recorded (and yes it is), but I shan't hear anything bad= said about the `Stuff.

Alex in NYC



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From: "Brian Whitehead" <wittz@btinternet.com>
To: "Gathering" <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: [kj] O/T I am a sinner
Date: Sun, Dec 7, 2003, 12:29 PM


Forgive me for I have sined.
 
I fell into the sinical Miles hunt trap and went to see the = Wonderstuff in Manchester on Friday night. You see he wheels out the Wonders= tuff when he's a bit skint.
Sorry about the language but what a efin waste of 60 quid for two of us. Tw= ice the price of a KJ gig and 1 millionth of the entertainment. That Miles H= unt is the most arrogant self centered piece of sh** on this planet.
 
My humble apologies I will not stray again.
 
Brian.

--MS_Mac_OE_3153648824_377925_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 7 18:35:50 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:35:50 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: Firewater Live in NYC Message-ID: <200312071835.hB7IZagt012922@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3153648950_385489_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Not quite the Joke, but one of my favorite bands of all time all the same (as I believe I've expressed here in the past). They played last night. Herewith my needlessly wordy (of course) review.... ---------- Another bright, sunny morning with a hangover. Where's that coffee? Alright, suffice it to say, I was well beery by the end of last night, so I have to type all this out now before it vanishes down the rabbit-hole. There's going to be a lot of needless details herein, but I can't write these things any other way, so sorry in advance. An amazing evening, it started off rather inauspiciously. Having only the vaguest of plans to meet my pal/colleague John Flowers "somewhere around the bar around 9pm," I left the comfy confines of my warm home (and my slighly disgruntled wife), and departed into the gaping maw of the elements. After all that discussion of crowd-staving, show-thwarting blizzardry, by the time I popped out my door around 8:15, the onslaught of God's Dandruff had lessened significantly to a light-but-perpetual dusting, no longer a torrent of white blowing in one's face. Trudging down a nearly deserted Bowery in the snow, I was instantly reminded of an evening about twelve years back, when I was doing a similar snow-choked trek to go see Cop $hoot Cop at some sqaulid Lower East Side dive. Despite all the gentrification, NYC in the snow still looks the same, and it's timelessly lovely and cinematic. Turns out, however, that I was a little hasty in my departure, and found myself in the vicinity of the Ballroom of Boweryness well ahead of schedule. After some atmospheric strolling around ("Shine On..) Elizabeth Street, I popped into "the Pioneer" Bar for a minutes-killing pint of Stella Artrois, only to get sucked into watching the Iron Man Competition on the wide-screen. One beer later, I sauntered over to the Bowery Ballroom. One of the first on the scene, I grabbed a seat at the bar to monitor the door. In short order, in walked a fetchingly brunette Jeanette (or, for those of you who've never met her, HNRY), with her admirably game mother Pat in tow. Milling about were various GvsB'ers (Scott and the other one), though I didn't engage them. Next in came bounding erstwhile Firewaterer and full-time Botanican, Paul Wallfisch. Mustachioed nogoodnick and fellow TIME Boozedesker, John Fletcher Flowers arrived and assumed his natural barside stool. HNRY worked the gathering crowd and unearthd Rudy Watkins, Qwak (I think I'm spelling that right) and a young lady whose name escapes me. Also corralled was Jim "Stop Calling Me Elvis" Everett, with his implausibly classy posters for sale (I bought one, and spent the latter part of the evening using it to club John Flowers). More amiliar faces, lovely Michelle and her Fiance appeared next, basking in the glow of enaged amore, and the ceaselessly frenetic Liz (resplendent in eye-catching Kommunizt chapeau). Officially Missing in Action: Heather, Jo, Regina, Jim Formerly in KoP, Kathy Tango Twin Number Two). After schmoozing barside with various other JetSetters and the like, I couldn't help noticing one or another opening band had commenced. Poked my head upstairs, but was not impressed with the onstage proceedings, so repaired back to the bar. Incidentally, the Firewater shirts this tour are *MAGNIFIQUE!* Loosely based on the famous Bob Gruen photograph of John Lennon, it features the legend "FIREWATER*NYC" in a simillar font to the NEW YORK CITY shirt Lennon sports (only with sleeves) and comes in black, gymnasium grey or blinding orange (I opted for the latter). I complemented some seemingly random punter on his Foetus t-shirt, only to have him swing around and say: "Congratulations on the baby, Alex," which practically blew a new part in my hair. The Lurkers' numbers swell. After another beer, John and I decided it was time to adjourn upstairs to prepare for Firewater. Spotted Rob Sheffield in the crowd chatting with some doe-eyed lass about the sonic wonder of Calla. No, I didn't assault him. Calla (if it is they who were soiling the stage prior to Firewater) are yawnsome shoegazery of the most crushingly ennui-enducing variety, and that's being as nice as I can muster. Next up, Firewater, and by this time, I'm already grinning, but that probably had more to do with the beer consumption. No orange shirt for Tod, for those of you keepin' score of such things, but he did sport a strategically placed tamborine around his right boot, which I thought most groovy. To the listing strains of "El Borracho," the band assumed the stage. Herewith the set list, swiped from the stage apres encore...... "El Borracho" "Snake-Eyes & Boxcars" "Bourbon & Division" "Storm Warning" (a very fitting song for the evening, given the snow) "The Man with the Blurry Face" "Dark Days Indeed" (which takes on a positively excorcism-like quality live) "When I Burn this Place Down" "Too Many Angels" "Some Strange Reaction" "The Vegas Strip" "Ponzi's Revenge" ........it was to the opening notes of this song that I officially exited Planet Coolster and roughly trod to the very front to engage in some dignity-free frugging with my fellow Circusfolk. "So Long, Superman" "Another Perfect Catastrophe" ENCORE: "The Man on the Burning Tightrope"......which had me headbanging as if it was being performed by Black Sabbath. "Knock'em Down" and a most feral, newly furious rendition of "Dropping Like Flies". As many other folks have pointed out in many other live reviews, there are some radical re-inventions of some songs here. This incarnation of Firewater boasts a zealous horn section that breathes new life into some old favorites, and it is WELL clear that Tod is having a ball up there. I can't speak for everyone, but I thought the band were in massive form, and I had a great, goddamn time. Do not pass up an opportunity to see this tour!!!! Afterwards, milled around back at the bar for a bit. Didn't get a chance to chat with Tod afterwards, but didn't spot him downstairs. It was getting later and later, and with John needing to find a way back to Brooklyn and m'self having a pregnant wife at home (wisely not waiting up), we decided that it was time to split. So, there ye have it. Alex in NYC Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . --MS_Mac_OE_3153648950_385489_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable [kj] OT: Firewater Live in NYC
Not quite the Joke, but one of my favorite bands of all time all the same (= as I believe I've expressed here in the past). They played last night. Herew= ith my needlessly wordy (of course) review....

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Another bright, sunny morning with a hangover. Where's that coffee?

Alright, suffice it to say, I was well beery by the end of last night, so I= have to type all this out now before it vanishes down the rabbit-hole. Ther= e's going to be a lot of needless details herein, but I can't write these th= ings any other way, so sorry in advance.  An amazing evening, it starte= d off rather inauspiciously. Having only the vaguest of plans to meet my pal= /colleague John Flowers "somewhere around the bar around 9pm," I l= eft the comfy confines of my warm home (and my slighly disgruntled wife), an= d departed into the gaping maw of the elements.

After all that discussion of crowd-staving, show-thwarting blizzardry, by t= he time I popped out my door around 8:15, the onslaught of God's Dandruff ha= d lessened significantly to a light-but-perpetual dusting, no longer a torre= nt of white blowing in one's face. Trudging down a nearly deserted Bowery in= the snow, I was instantly reminded of an evening about twelve years back, w= hen I was doing a similar snow-choked trek to go see Cop $hoot Cop at some s= qaulid Lower East Side dive. Despite all the gentrification, NYC in the snow= still looks the same, and it's timelessly lovely and cinematic. Turns out, = however, that I was a little hasty in my departure, and found myself in the = vicinity of the Ballroom of Boweryness well ahead of schedule. After some at= mospheric strolling around ("Shine On..) Elizabeth Street, I popped int= o "the Pioneer" Bar for a minutes-killing pint of Stella Artrois, = only to get sucked into watching the Iron Man Competition on the wide-screen= . One beer later, I sauntered over to the Bowery Ballroom.

One of the first on the scene, I grabbed a seat at the bar to monitor the d= oor. In short order, in walked  a fetchingly brunette Jeanette (or, for= those of you who've never met her, HNRY), with her admirably game mother Pa= t in tow. Milling about were various GvsB'ers (Scott and the other one), tho= ugh I didn't engage them. Next in came bounding erstwhile Firewaterer and fu= ll-time Botanican, Paul Wallfisch. Mustachioed nogoodnick and fellow TIME Bo= ozedesker, John Fletcher Flowers arrived and assumed his natural barside sto= ol.  HNRY worked the gathering crowd and unearthd Rudy Watkins, Qwak (I= think I'm spelling that right) and a young lady whose name escapes me. &nbs= p;Also corralled was Jim "Stop Calling Me Elvis" Everett, with his= implausibly classy posters for sale (I bought one, and spent the latter par= t of the evening using it to club John Flowers).  More amiliar faces, l= ovely Michelle and her Fiance appeared next, basking in the glow of enaged a= more, and the ceaselessly frenetic Liz (resplendent in eye-catching Kommuniz= t chapeau).  Officially Missing in Action: Heather, Jo, Regina, Jim For= merly in KoP, Kathy Tango Twin Number Two). After schmoozing barside with va= rious other JetSetters and the like, I couldn't help noticing one or another= opening band had commenced.

Poked my head upstairs, but was not impressed with the onstage proceedings,= so repaired back to the bar. Incidentally, the Firewater shirts this tour a= re *MAGNIFIQUE!* Loosely based on the famous Bob Gruen photograph of John Le= nnon, it features the legend "FIREWATER*NYC" in a simillar font to= the NEW YORK CITY shirt Lennon sports (only with sleeves) and comes in blac= k, gymnasium grey or blinding orange (I opted for the latter). I complemente= d some seemingly random punter on his Foetus t-shirt, only to have him swing= around and say: "Congratulations on the baby, Alex," which practi= cally blew a new part in my hair.  The Lurkers' numbers swell.

After another beer, John and I decided it was time to adjourn upstairs to p= repare for Firewater. Spotted Rob Sheffield in the crowd chatting with some = doe-eyed lass about the sonic wonder of Calla. No, I didn't assault him. Cal= la (if it is they who were soiling the stage prior to Firewater) are yawnsom= e shoegazery of the most crushingly ennui-enducing variety, and that's being= as nice as I can muster.

Next up, Firewater, and by this time, I'm already grinning, but that probab= ly had more to do with the beer consumption. No orange shirt for Tod, for th= ose of you keepin' score of such things, but he did sport a strategically pl= aced tamborine around his right boot, which I thought most groovy. To the li= sting strains of "El Borracho," the band assumed the stage. Herewi= th the set list, swiped from the stage apres encore......

"El Borracho"
"Snake-Eyes & Boxcars"
"Bourbon & Division"
"Storm Warning" (a very fitting song for the evening, given the s= now)
"The Man with the Blurry Face"
"Dark Days Indeed" (which takes on a positively excorcism-like qu= ality live)
"When I Burn this Place Down"
"Too Many Angels"
"Some Strange Reaction"
"The Vegas Strip"
"Ponzi's Revenge"
........it was to the opening notes of this song that I officially exited P= lanet Coolster and roughly trod to the very front to engage in some dignity-= free frugging with my fellow Circusfolk.
"So Long, Superman"
"Another Perfect Catastrophe"
ENCORE:
"The Man on the Burning Tightrope"......which had me headbanging = as if it was being performed by Black Sabbath.
"Knock'em Down"
and a most feral, newly furious rendition of "Dropping Like Flies"= ;.

As many other folks have pointed out in many other live reviews, there are = some radical re-inventions of some songs here. This incarnation of Firewater= boasts a zealous horn section that breathes new life into some old favorite= s, and it is WELL clear that Tod is having a ball up there.  I can't sp= eak for everyone, but I thought the band were in massive form, and I had a g= reat, goddamn time. Do not pass up an opportunity to see this tour!!!!

Afterwards, milled around back at the bar for a bit. Didn't get a chance to= chat with Tod afterwards, but didn't spot him downstairs. It was getting la= ter and later, and with John needing to find a way back to Brooklyn and m'se= lf having a pregnant wife at home (wisely not waiting up), we decided that i= t was time to split.

So, there ye have it.

Alex in NYC








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--MS_Mac_OE_3153648950_385489_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 7 19:22:13 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 14:22:13 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: Yep, another year... Message-ID: <007FDDAE.35419437.0004DF86@aol.com> Happy birthday, mate. From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 7 19:29:55 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Brian Whitehead) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 19:29:55 -0000 Subject: [kj] O/T I am a sinner References: <200312071833.hB7IXUcw018502@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <007b01c3bcf8$92aa4710$fc487ad5@EmmaJane> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C3BCF8.7E7230F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] O/T I am a sinnerWell I will defend my slagging off the 'new' = Wonderstuff till the cows come home. I absolutely love Hup, Eight Legged.., and Construction...and have seen = the Stuffies around 15 times between circa 1989 and now, but you weren't = there, and if you were I'm sure you would have said the same. I've also had the misfortune to meet him twice. On one occasion John = Penny from Neds Atomic gave him a good kicking, which was nice to see = the worlds greates w******* get what he deserved. He's on the shit list = just behind one Mrs C. Love-Cobain. Anyway back to the good stuff with The Fall, NMA and Buzzcocks gigs = coming up. Brian. =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alex Smith=20 To: gathering@misera.net ; Gathering=20 Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [kj] O/T I am a sinner Not only am I a fan of the Wonder Stuff and Miles Hunt, but fuckin' = flew to England in 2000 to see their reunion tour. Miles' solo stuff may = be the most boring music ever recorded (and yes it is), but I shan't = hear anything bad said about the `Stuff. Alex in NYC ---------- From: "Brian Whitehead" To: "Gathering" Subject: [kj] O/T I am a sinner Date: Sun, Dec 7, 2003, 12:29 PM Forgive me for I have sined. =20 I fell into the sinical Miles hunt trap and went to see the = Wonderstuff in Manchester on Friday night. You see he wheels out the = Wonderstuff when he's a bit skint. Sorry about the language but what a efin waste of 60 quid for two of = us. Twice the price of a KJ gig and 1 millionth of the entertainment. = That Miles Hunt is the most arrogant self centered piece of sh** on this = planet. =20 My humble apologies I will not stray again. =20 Brian.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C3BCF8.7E7230F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] O/T I am a sinner
Well I will defend my slagging off = the 'new'=20 Wonderstuff till the cows come home.
I absolutely love Hup, Eight Legged.., = and=20 Construction...and have seen the Stuffies around 15 times between circa = 1989 and=20 now, but you weren't there, and if you were I'm sure you would have said = the=20 same.
I've also had the misfortune to meet = him twice. On=20 one occasion John Penny from Neds Atomic gave him a good kicking, which = was nice=20 to see the worlds greates w******* get what he deserved. He's on the = shit list=20 just behind one Mrs C. Love-Cobain.
 
Anyway back to the good stuff with The = Fall, NMA=20 and Buzzcocks gigs coming up.
 
Brian.
 
  
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alex=20 Smith
To: gathering@misera.net ; Gathering=20
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 = 6:33=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] O/T I am a = sinner


Not only am I a fan of the Wonder Stuff and Miles = Hunt, but=20 fuckin' flew to England in 2000 to see their reunion tour. Miles' solo = stuff=20 may be the most boring music ever recorded (and yes it is), but I = shan't hear=20 anything bad said about the `Stuff.

Alex in=20 NYC



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From: "Brian Whitehead" <wittz@btinternet.com>
To: = "Gathering" <gathering@misera.net>
Subj= ect:=20 [kj] O/T I am a sinner
Date: Sun, Dec 7, 2003, 12:29 PM


Forgive me for I have=20 sined.
 
I fell into the sinical = Miles hunt=20 trap and went to see the Wonderstuff in Manchester on Friday night. = You see=20 he wheels out the Wonderstuff when he's a bit skint.
Sorry about = the=20 language but what a efin waste of 60 quid for two of us. Twice the = price of=20 a KJ gig and 1 millionth of the entertainment. That Miles Hunt is = the most=20 arrogant self centered piece of sh** on this=20 planet.
 
My humble apologies I = will not=20 stray again.
 
Brian.=20

------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C3BCF8.7E7230F0-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 7 19:50:30 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 14:50:30 -0500 Subject: [kj] O/T I am a sinner Message-ID: <200312071950.hB7JoGcw028720@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3153653430_654997_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Well, didn't realize this was going to be a competition, but I saw the Wonder Stuff in their prime on each consecutive tour of the States for each album about three times each, interviewed them three times and made it backstage at the Forum in Kentish Town in 2000. Can Miles be a cocksmoker? Of course, but that's essentially part of his schtick, love it or hate it. I do find his solo work (to say nothing of Vent 414) pretty damn dull, but The Wonder Stuff up through NEVER LOVED ELVIS were brilliant (never much cared for CONSTRUCTION...). The continually reuniting Wonder Stuff sort've pisses me off, but what'chagonnado, eh? Who plays bass now? In 2000, it was some nobody. Alex in NYC ---------- From: "Brian Whitehead" To: Subject: Re: [kj] O/T I am a sinner Date: Sun, Dec 7, 2003, 2:29 PM Well I will defend my slagging off the 'new' Wonderstuff till the cows come home. I absolutely love Hup, Eight Legged.., and Construction...and have seen the Stuffies around 15 times between circa 1989 and now, but you weren't there, and if you were I'm sure you would have said the same. I've also had the misfortune to meet him twice. On one occasion John Penny from Neds Atomic gave him a good kicking, which was nice to see the worlds greates w******* get what he deserved. He's on the shit list just behind one Mrs C. Love-Cobain. Anyway back to the good stuff with The Fall, NMA and Buzzcocks gigs coming up. Brian. ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Smith To: gathering@misera.net ; Gathering Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [kj] O/T I am a sinner Not only am I a fan of the Wonder Stuff and Miles Hunt, but fuckin' flew to England in 2000 to see their reunion tour. Miles' solo stuff may be the most boring music ever recorded (and yes it is), but I shan't hear anything bad said about the `Stuff. Alex in NYC ---------- From: "Brian Whitehead" > To: "Gathering" > Subject: [kj] O/T I am a sinner Date: Sun, Dec 7, 2003, 12:29 PM Forgive me for I have sined. I fell into the sinical Miles hunt trap and went to see the Wonderstuff in Manchester on Friday night. You see he wheels out the Wonderstuff when he's a bit skint. Sorry about the language but what a efin waste of 60 quid for two of us. Twice the price of a KJ gig and 1 millionth of the entertainment. That Miles Hunt is the most arrogant self centered piece of sh** on this planet. My humble apologies I will not stray again. Brian. --MS_Mac_OE_3153653430_654997_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] O/T I am a sinner
Well, didn't realize this was going to be a competition, but I saw the Wond= er Stuff in their prime on each consecutive tour of the States for each albu= m about three times each, interviewed them three times and made it backstage= at the Forum in Kentish Town in 2000.  Can Miles be a cocksmoker? Of c= ourse, but that's essentially part of his schtick, love it or hate it.  = ;I do find his solo work (to say nothing of Vent 414) pretty damn dull, but = The Wonder Stuff up through NEVER LOVED ELVIS were brilliant (never much car= ed for CONSTRUCTION...).

The continually reuniting Wonder Stuff sort've pisses me off, but what'chag= onnado, eh? Who plays bass now? In 2000, it was some nobody.

Alex in NYC




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From: "Brian Whitehead" <wittz@btinternet.com>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] O/T I am a sinner
Date: Sun, Dec 7, 2003, 2:29 PM


Well I will defend my slagging off the 'new' Won= derstuff till the cows come home.
I absolutely love Hup, Eight Legged.., and Construction...and have seen the= Stuffies around 15 times between circa 1989 and now, but you weren't there,= and if you were I'm sure you would have said the same.
I've also had the misfortune to meet him twice. On one occasion John Penny = from Neds Atomic gave him a good kicking, which was nice to see the worlds g= reates w******* get what he deserved. He's on the shit list just behind one = Mrs C. Love-Cobain.
 
Anyway back to the good stuff with The Fall, NMA and Buzzcoc= ks gigs coming up.
 
Brian.
 
  
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Smith <mailto:vassifer@earthl= ink.net>  
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>  ; Gat= hering <mailto:gathering@misera.net&g= t;  
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] O/T I am a sinner


Not only am I a fan of the Wonder Stuff and Miles Hunt, but fuckin' flew to= England in 2000 to see their reunion tour. Miles' solo stuff may be the mos= t boring music ever recorded (and yes it is), but I shan't hear anything bad= said about the `Stuff.

Alex in NYC



----------
From: "Brian Whitehead" <wittz@btinte= rnet.com <mailto:wittz@btinternet.com= > >
To: "Gathering" <gathering@misera.net= <mailto:gathering@misera.net> >
Subject: [kj] O/T I am a sinner
Date: Sun, Dec 7, 2003, 12:29 PM


Forgive me for I have sined.
 
I fell into the sinical Miles hunt trap and went to see the = Wonderstuff in Manchester on Friday night. You see he wheels out the Wonders= tuff when he's a bit skint.
Sorry about the language but what a efin waste of 60 quid for two of us. Tw= ice the price of a KJ gig and 1 millionth of the entertainment. That Miles H= unt is the most arrogant self centered piece of sh** on this planet.
 
My humble apologies I will not stray again.
 
Brian.


--MS_Mac_OE_3153653430_654997_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 7 19:50:50 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 14:50:50 -0500 Subject: [kj] Very much OT: FAO Alex - Visiting NYC Message-ID: <200312071950.hB7JoGd0028720@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Wow.....well, for a start, you'll be in NYC during inarguably the busiest time of the year, so be prepared for crowds, crowds, crowds. Personally speaking, I'd stay as far away from Times Square as much as possible. Reasons being: it's basically just a big mall, there are too many tourists, it's pretty much all glitzy, stoopid shit. Things I *would* suggest: 1.Central Park. It's just a singularly lovely place. You may have missed the fall folliage, but you should spend some time with your Missus walking around it. The Conservatory Gardens of which up on 105th street are striking. Also, a very nice part of the park is right around the.... 2. Metropolitan Museum of Art. Yes, it's an art museum, but it's certainly in the top five in the world and well worth checking out. When Mischievous Mike Coles and Dirty Dirk Kingerske were in town for the Joke gig in October, we took a bit of a quick stroll `round the Museum. Put simply: it's fab. 3. Empire State Building. As touristy as this sounds, the view from the observation deck really *is* something to be experienced. It's also a really romantic thing to do at night (and, they serve beer!) I'd suggest having a nice dinner somewhere and they going to the observation deck afterwards and then having a drink somewhere else. There's an evening fit for a Joe Jackson video. 4. Soho. It's no longer the epicenter of art and bohemian culture it once was. You won't find Andy Warhol or Jean-Michel Basquiat strolling around there anymore (well, mainly because they're dead), but it's still a cool area. Honestly speaking, it's great for shopping now above all else. Bring your credit card, though, as it ain't cheap. Warn your wife in advance. 5. Greenwich Village. I live down here, and it's a big area, but the West Village makes for a nice stroll-through. The East Village, like Soho, is no longer the hotbed of gobbing mohawkery it once was, but there are tiny enclaves of cool left. Basically, start at Union Square and just walk South, and you'll find some interesting stuff. 6. There are countless little restaurants and bars to goto, and the best ones are invariably the ones that are tougher to find. If you need a list of specific places and/or specific cuisine, just let me know. 7. Chinatown. You kinda have to be in the right mood, but it can be a whole mess of fun to just wander around Chinatown. When picking a place to eat, however, make sure it looks clean -- that's all I'm saying. 8. Little Italy is no longer that Italian (its slowly being swallowed by Chinatown), and is a bit of a tourist trap anyway, so I'd avoid it. 9. I don't know if it's your bag, but "Ground Zero" is no longer much to look at (it basically looks like a construction site: which is what it essentially is now). There is, however, a new exhibit detaililng current building plans and memorial idea suggestions. A somewhat gloomy but hopeful visit awaits you there. I'll think of more. Ale xin NYC ---------- >From: >To: "gathering@misera.net" >Subject: [kj] Very much OT: FAO Alex - Visiting NYC >Date: Sat, Dec 6, 2003, 9:24 PM > >Hi Alex, > >I'm visiting NYC next weekend, arriving on the Friday hopefully as I have some >business with a company in Times Sq. Staying for 3 nights and bringing the wife >with me as a bit of an Xmas break. I want to see as much of the best of NYC as >possible so can you suggest a brief guide as to what to see and what not to >bother with? > >Thanks, > >Darrin > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Sent with "Me-Mail", Boltblue's FREE mobile messaging service. >http://www.boltblue.com > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 7 20:19:30 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Nika) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 21:19:30 +0100 Subject: [kj] Faust & Devils Message-ID: <20031207201934Z214194-5902+7361@mail.centrum.cz> >From what I understand its a permanent gallery, though it will be open only at certain times. Nika in Prague ______________________________________________________________ > Od: Gabriella Wingĺrdh > Komu: > CC: > Datum: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 18:17:34 +0100 > Předmět: Re: [kj] Faust & Devils > > For how long will the Faust & Devils exhibit be? > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------- > The pun is mightier than the sword > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > -------------------- Eurotel Data Nonstop - neomezený přístup na internet za 649,- (s DPH 681,45) Kč měsíčně! http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.eurotel.cz/site/cz/servicesAndTariffs/specialOffer.html?list=34995 From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 7 21:59:03 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 21:59:03 +0000 Subject: [kj] Very much OT: FAO Alex - Visiting NYC In-Reply-To: <200312071950.hB7JoGd0028720@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> References: <200312071950.hB7JoGd0028720@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <1070834343.3fd3a2a7a1b39@www.boltblue.com> Thanks Alex, very much appreciated :) As for Ground Zero, so far I think we'll be staying at the Millennium Hilton which is right next door. I know it will be something to see, but I also have reservations about seeing such a thing. I can only imagine what it must be like for someone who knew someone who died there :( Anyway, definitely doing the Empire State Building. Always wanted to go to the top of it ever since I saw King Kong swatting the planes ;) Darrin Quoting Alex Smith : > > Wow.....well, for a start, you'll be in NYC during inarguably the > busiest > time of the year, so be prepared for crowds, crowds, crowds. > > Personally speaking, I'd stay as far away from Times Square as much as > possible. Reasons being: it's basically just a big mall, there are too > many > tourists, it's pretty much all glitzy, stoopid shit. > > Things I *would* suggest: > > 1.Central Park. It's just a singularly lovely place. You may have missed > the > fall folliage, but you should spend some time with your Missus walking > around it. The Conservatory Gardens of which up on 105th street are > striking. Also, a very nice part of the park is right around the.... > > 2. Metropolitan Museum of Art. Yes, it's an art museum, but it's > certainly > in the top five in the world and well worth checking out. When > Mischievous > Mike Coles and Dirty Dirk Kingerske were in town for the Joke gig in > October, we took a bit of a quick stroll `round the Museum. Put simply: > it's > fab. > > 3. Empire State Building. As touristy as this sounds, the view from the > observation deck really *is* something to be experienced. It's also a > really > romantic thing to do at night (and, they serve beer!) I'd suggest having > a > nice dinner somewhere and they going to the observation deck afterwards > and > then having a drink somewhere else. There's an evening fit for a Joe > Jackson > video. > > 4. Soho. It's no longer the epicenter of art and bohemian culture it > once > was. You won't find Andy Warhol or Jean-Michel Basquiat strolling around > there anymore (well, mainly because they're dead), but it's still a cool > area. Honestly speaking, it's great for shopping now above all else. > Bring > your credit card, though, as it ain't cheap. Warn your wife in advance. > > 5. Greenwich Village. I live down here, and it's a big area, but the > West > Village makes for a nice stroll-through. The East Village, like Soho, is > no > longer the hotbed of gobbing mohawkery it once was, but there are tiny > enclaves of cool left. Basically, start at Union Square and just walk > South, > and you'll find some interesting stuff. > > 6. There are countless little restaurants and bars to goto, and the best > ones are invariably the ones that are tougher to find. If you need a > list of > specific places and/or specific cuisine, just let me know. > > 7. Chinatown. You kinda have to be in the right mood, but it can be a > whole > mess of fun to just wander around Chinatown. When picking a place to > eat, > however, make sure it looks clean -- that's all I'm saying. > > 8. Little Italy is no longer that Italian (its slowly being swallowed by > Chinatown), and is a bit of a tourist trap anyway, so I'd avoid it. > > 9. I don't know if it's your bag, but "Ground Zero" is no longer much to > look at (it basically looks like a construction site: which is what it > essentially is now). There is, however, a new exhibit detaililng current > building plans and memorial idea suggestions. A somewhat gloomy but > hopeful > visit awaits you there. > > > I'll think of more. > > Ale xin NYC > > > > ---------- > >From: > >To: "gathering@misera.net" > >Subject: [kj] Very much OT: FAO Alex - Visiting NYC > >Date: Sat, Dec 6, 2003, 9:24 PM > > > > >Hi Alex, > > > >I'm visiting NYC next weekend, arriving on the Friday hopefully as I > have some > >business with a company in Times Sq. Staying for 3 nights and bringing > the wife > >with me as a bit of an Xmas break. I want to see as much of the best of > NYC as > >possible so can you suggest a brief guide as to what to see and what > not to > >bother with? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Darrin > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > >Sent with "Me-Mail", Boltblue's FREE mobile messaging service. > >http://www.boltblue.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Gathering mailing list > >Gathering@misera.net > >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > -------------------------------------------------------------- Sent with "Me-Mail", Boltblue's FREE mobile messaging service. http://www.boltblue.com From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 7 22:23:46 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Gabriella Wingardh) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 23:23:46 +0100 Subject: [kj] Faust & Devils References: <20031207201934Z214194-5902+7361@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <000701c3bd10$c84bc0c0$030c43d5@oemcomputer> OK, thank you, Nika! -------------------------------------- "The pun is mightier than the sword" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Nika" To: Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [kj] Faust & Devils > >From what I understand its a permanent gallery, though it will be=20 > open only at certain times. > Nika in Prague > ______________________________________________________________ From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 7 22:53:27 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Brian Whitehead) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:53:27 -0000 Subject: [kj] O/T I am a sinner References: <200312071950.hB7JoGcw028720@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <00d101c3bd14$ee44d5b0$fc487ad5@EmmaJane> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01C3BD14.ED7577C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] O/T I am a sinnerIts not a competition, I'm simply trying to = point out that I'd didn't just go along to this gig as a casual = bystandander but as somebody who has actively followed the Wonderstuff. = It would be too easy to go and watch a band you don't care for and slag = them off but one you like!=20 And the gig was still shit, but must admit the London gigs in 2000 were = good. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alex Smith=20 To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [kj] O/T I am a sinner Well, didn't realize this was going to be a competition, but I saw the = Wonder Stuff in their prime on each consecutive tour of the States for = each album about three times each, interviewed them three times and made = it backstage at the Forum in Kentish Town in 2000. Can Miles be a = cocksmoker? Of course, but that's essentially part of his schtick, love = it or hate it. I do find his solo work (to say nothing of Vent 414) = pretty damn dull, but The Wonder Stuff up through NEVER LOVED ELVIS were = brilliant (never much cared for CONSTRUCTION...).=20 The continually reuniting Wonder Stuff sort've pisses me off, but = what'chagonnado, eh? Who plays bass now? In 2000, it was some nobody. Alex in NYC ---------- From: "Brian Whitehead" To: Subject: Re: [kj] O/T I am a sinner Date: Sun, Dec 7, 2003, 2:29 PM Well I will defend my slagging off the 'new' Wonderstuff till the = cows come home. I absolutely love Hup, Eight Legged.., and Construction...and have = seen the Stuffies around 15 times between circa 1989 and now, but you = weren't there, and if you were I'm sure you would have said the same. I've also had the misfortune to meet him twice. On one occasion John = Penny from Neds Atomic gave him a good kicking, which was nice to see = the worlds greates w******* get what he deserved. He's on the shit list = just behind one Mrs C. Love-Cobain. =20 Anyway back to the good stuff with The Fall, NMA and Buzzcocks gigs = coming up. =20 Brian. =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alex Smith =20 To: gathering@misera.net ; = Gathering =20 Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [kj] O/T I am a sinner Not only am I a fan of the Wonder Stuff and Miles Hunt, but = fuckin' flew to England in 2000 to see their reunion tour. Miles' solo = stuff may be the most boring music ever recorded (and yes it is), but I = shan't hear anything bad said about the `Stuff. Alex in NYC ---------- From: "Brian Whitehead" > To: "Gathering" > Subject: [kj] O/T I am a sinner Date: Sun, Dec 7, 2003, 12:29 PM Forgive me for I have sined. =20 I fell into the sinical Miles hunt trap and went to see the = Wonderstuff in Manchester on Friday night. You see he wheels out the = Wonderstuff when he's a bit skint. Sorry about the language but what a efin waste of 60 quid for = two of us. Twice the price of a KJ gig and 1 millionth of the = entertainment. That Miles Hunt is the most arrogant self centered piece = of sh** on this planet. =20 My humble apologies I will not stray again. =20 Brian.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01C3BD14.ED7577C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] O/T I am a sinner
Its not a competition, I'm simply = trying to point=20 out that I'd didn't just go along to this gig as a casual bystandander = but as=20 somebody who has actively followed the Wonderstuff. It would be too easy = to go=20 and watch a band you don't care for and slag them off but one you=20 like! 
 
And the gig was still shit, but must = admit the=20 London gigs in 2000 were good.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alex=20 Smith
To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 = 7:50=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] O/T I am a = sinner


Well, didn't realize this was going to be a = competition,=20 but I saw the Wonder Stuff in their prime on each consecutive tour of = the=20 States for each album about three times each, interviewed them three = times and=20 made it backstage at the Forum in Kentish Town in 2000.  Can = Miles be a=20 cocksmoker? Of course, but that's essentially part of his schtick, = love it or=20 hate it.  I do find his solo work (to say nothing of Vent 414) = pretty=20 damn dull, but The Wonder Stuff up through NEVER LOVED ELVIS were = brilliant=20 (never much cared for CONSTRUCTION...).

The continually = reuniting=20 Wonder Stuff sort've pisses me off, but what'chagonnado, eh? Who plays = bass=20 now? In 2000, it was some nobody.

Alex in=20 NYC




----------
From: "Brian Whitehead"=20 <wittz@btinternet.com>
To: = <gathering@misera.net>
Subject:=20 Re: [kj] O/T I am a sinner
Date: Sun, Dec 7, 2003, 2:29 = PM


Well I will defend my slagging off the = 'new'=20 Wonderstuff till the cows come home.
I absolutely love Hup, Eight = Legged.., and Construction...and have seen the Stuffies around 15 = times=20 between circa 1989 and now, but you weren't there, and if you were = I'm sure=20 you would have said the same.
I've also had the misfortune to = meet him=20 twice. On one occasion John Penny from Neds Atomic gave him a good = kicking,=20 which was nice to see the worlds greates w******* get what he = deserved. He's=20 on the shit list just behind one Mrs C.=20 Love-Cobain.
 
Anyway back to the = good stuff=20 with The Fall, NMA and Buzzcocks gigs coming = up.
 
Brian.
 
  
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Smith = <mailto:vassifer@earthlink.net>=20  
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net> =  ;=20 Gathering <mailto:gathering@misera.net>=20  
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:33=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] O/T I am a sinner


Not = only am I=20 a fan of the Wonder Stuff and Miles Hunt, but fuckin' flew to = England in=20 2000 to see their reunion tour. Miles' solo stuff may be the most = boring=20 music ever recorded (and yes it is), but I shan't hear anything = bad said=20 about the `Stuff.

Alex in = NYC



----------
From:=20 "Brian Whitehead" <wittz@btinternet.com <mailto:wittz@btinternet.com> = >
To:=20 "Gathering" <gathering@misera.net=20 <mailto:gathering@misera.net>=20 >
Subject: [kj] O/T I am a sinner
Date: Sun, Dec 7, 2003, = 12:29=20 PM


Forgive me for I have=20 sined.
 
I fell into the = sinical Miles=20 hunt trap and went to see the Wonderstuff in Manchester on = Friday night.=20 You see he wheels out the Wonderstuff when he's a bit = skint.
Sorry=20 about the language but what a efin waste of 60 quid for two of = us. Twice=20 the price of a KJ gig and 1 millionth of the entertainment. That = Miles=20 Hunt is the most arrogant self centered piece of sh** on this=20 planet.
 
My humble apologies I = will not=20 stray again.
 
Brian.=20 =


------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01C3BD14.ED7577C0-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 00:12:02 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mik Raven) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 00:12:02 -0000 Subject: [kj] A Taste Of Things To Come - Astoria 2003 References: Message-ID: <00dd01c3bd1f$e806c720$0200a8c0@Paulas> The Sunday Astoria gig - the rest tomorrow http://www.no35.dial.pipex.com/Leaders.wmv Peter, many thanks for this video, please email me! Mik From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 00:55:15 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mark H) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 00:55:15 -0000 Subject: [kj] O/T I am a sinner References: <200312071950.hB7JoGcw028720@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <00d101c3bd14$ee44d5b0$fc487ad5@EmmaJane> Message-ID: <007d01c3bd25$f1b95340$c89d5651@LocalHost> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C3BD25.F100B1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] O/T I am a sinnerVic Reeves crooned with them and he is a = demigod so they can't be that bad. Shit, I've just remembered, Miles (when he had long locks) looked like my ex girlfriend). OH REEVES YOU'VE INFECTED ME AGAIN, I CAN SMELL BEEF, AND ITS A TOASTED BEEF, WHO LET THESE DOLPHINS IN HERE. I KNOW DOCTORS DENTISTS AND ARCHITECTS etc. Wonderful Stuff. GEDDIT? GEDDIT? GEDDIT? GEDDIT? soz. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brian Whitehead=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [kj] O/T I am a sinner Its not a competition, I'm simply trying to point out that I'd didn't = just go along to this gig as a casual bystandander but as somebody who = has actively followed the Wonderstuff. It would be too easy to go and = watch a band you don't care for and slag them off but one you like!=20 And the gig was still shit, but must admit the London gigs in 2000 = were good. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alex Smith=20 To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [kj] O/T I am a sinner Well, didn't realize this was going to be a competition, but I saw = the Wonder Stuff in their prime on each consecutive tour of the States = for each album about three times each, interviewed them three times and = made it backstage at the Forum in Kentish Town in 2000. Can Miles be a = cocksmoker? Of course, but that's essentially part of his schtick, love = it or hate it. I do find his solo work (to say nothing of Vent 414) = pretty damn dull, but The Wonder Stuff up through NEVER LOVED ELVIS were = brilliant (never much cared for CONSTRUCTION...).=20 The continually reuniting Wonder Stuff sort've pisses me off, but = what'chagonnado, eh? Who plays bass now? In 2000, it was some nobody. Alex in NYC ---------- From: "Brian Whitehead" To: Subject: Re: [kj] O/T I am a sinner Date: Sun, Dec 7, 2003, 2:29 PM Well I will defend my slagging off the 'new' Wonderstuff till the = cows come home. I absolutely love Hup, Eight Legged.., and Construction...and have = seen the Stuffies around 15 times between circa 1989 and now, but you = weren't there, and if you were I'm sure you would have said the same. I've also had the misfortune to meet him twice. On one occasion = John Penny from Neds Atomic gave him a good kicking, which was nice to = see the worlds greates w******* get what he deserved. He's on the shit = list just behind one Mrs C. Love-Cobain. =20 Anyway back to the good stuff with The Fall, NMA and Buzzcocks = gigs coming up. =20 Brian. =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alex Smith =20 To: gathering@misera.net ; = Gathering =20 Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [kj] O/T I am a sinner Not only am I a fan of the Wonder Stuff and Miles Hunt, but = fuckin' flew to England in 2000 to see their reunion tour. Miles' solo = stuff may be the most boring music ever recorded (and yes it is), but I = shan't hear anything bad said about the `Stuff. Alex in NYC ---------- From: "Brian Whitehead" > To: "Gathering" > Subject: [kj] O/T I am a sinner Date: Sun, Dec 7, 2003, 12:29 PM Forgive me for I have sined. =20 I fell into the sinical Miles hunt trap and went to see the = Wonderstuff in Manchester on Friday night. You see he wheels out the = Wonderstuff when he's a bit skint. Sorry about the language but what a efin waste of 60 quid for = two of us. Twice the price of a KJ gig and 1 millionth of the = entertainment. That Miles Hunt is the most arrogant self centered piece = of sh** on this planet. =20 My humble apologies I will not stray again. =20 Brian.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C3BD25.F100B1A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] O/T I am a sinner
Vic Reeves crooned with them and he is = a demigod so=20 they can't
be that bad. Shit, I've just = remembered, Miles=20 (when he had long locks)
looked like my ex girlfriend). OH = REEVES YOU'VE=20 INFECTED ME AGAIN,
I CAN SMELL BEEF, AND ITS A TOASTED = BEEF, WHO LET=20 THESE
DOLPHINS IN HERE. I KNOW DOCTORS = DENTISTS AND=20 ARCHITECTS etc.
 
Wonderful Stuff.
 
GEDDIT?
GEDDIT?
GEDDIT?
GEDDIT?
 
 
soz.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Brian=20 Whitehead
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 = 10:53=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] O/T I am a = sinner

Its not a competition, I'm simply = trying to point=20 out that I'd didn't just go along to this gig as a casual bystandander = but as=20 somebody who has actively followed the Wonderstuff. It would be too = easy to go=20 and watch a band you don't care for and slag them off but one you=20 like! 
 
And the gig was still shit, but must = admit the=20 London gigs in 2000 were good.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alex=20 Smith
To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net
Sent: Sunday, December 07, = 2003 7:50=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] O/T I am a=20 sinner


Well, didn't realize this was going to be a = competition,=20 but I saw the Wonder Stuff in their prime on each consecutive tour = of the=20 States for each album about three times each, interviewed them three = times=20 and made it backstage at the Forum in Kentish Town in 2000. =  Can Miles=20 be a cocksmoker? Of course, but that's essentially part of his = schtick, love=20 it or hate it.  I do find his solo work (to say nothing of Vent = 414)=20 pretty damn dull, but The Wonder Stuff up through NEVER LOVED ELVIS = were=20 brilliant (never much cared for CONSTRUCTION...).

The = continually=20 reuniting Wonder Stuff sort've pisses me off, but what'chagonnado, = eh? Who=20 plays bass now? In 2000, it was some nobody.

Alex in=20 NYC




----------
From: "Brian Whitehead"=20 <wittz@btinternet.com>
To: = <gathering@misera.net>
Subject:=20 Re: [kj] O/T I am a sinner
Date: Sun, Dec 7, 2003, 2:29 = PM


Well I will defend my slagging off the = 'new'=20 Wonderstuff till the cows come home.
I absolutely love Hup, = Eight=20 Legged.., and Construction...and have seen the Stuffies around 15 = times=20 between circa 1989 and now, but you weren't there, and if you were = I'm=20 sure you would have said the same.
I've also had the misfortune = to meet=20 him twice. On one occasion John Penny from Neds Atomic gave him a = good=20 kicking, which was nice to see the worlds greates w******* get = what he=20 deserved. He's on the shit list just behind one Mrs C.=20 Love-Cobain.
 
Anyway back to the = good=20 stuff with The Fall, NMA and Buzzcocks gigs coming=20 up.
 
Brian.
 
  
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex = Smith=20 <mailto:vassifer@earthlink.net>=20  
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net> =  ;=20 Gathering <mailto:gathering@misera.net>=20  
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:33=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] O/T I am a sinner


Not = only am=20 I a fan of the Wonder Stuff and Miles Hunt, but fuckin' flew to = England=20 in 2000 to see their reunion tour. Miles' solo stuff may be the = most=20 boring music ever recorded (and yes it is), but I shan't hear = anything=20 bad said about the `Stuff.

Alex in=20 NYC



----------
From: "Brian Whitehead" = <wittz@btinternet.com <mailto:wittz@btinternet.com> = >
To:=20 "Gathering" <gathering@misera.net=20 <mailto:gathering@misera.net>=20 >
Subject: [kj] O/T I am a sinner
Date: Sun, Dec 7, = 2003, 12:29=20 PM


Forgive me for I have=20 sined.
 
I fell into the = sinical Miles=20 hunt trap and went to see the Wonderstuff in Manchester on = Friday=20 night. You see he wheels out the Wonderstuff when he's a bit=20 skint.
Sorry about the language but what a efin waste of 60 = quid=20 for two of us. Twice the price of a KJ gig and 1 millionth of = the=20 entertainment. That Miles Hunt is the most arrogant self = centered=20 piece of sh** on this planet.
 
My=20 humble apologies I will not stray = again.
 
Brian.=20 =


------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C3BD25.F100B1A0-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 03:19:37 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (DG) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 19:19:37 -0800 Subject: [kj] OT: Yep, another year... References: Message-ID: <005001c3bd3a$2756ab10$11effea9@BRAINSAW> I know it's probably too late, but Happy Birthday. If you can, get a lap dance for me, my birthday was 11.27 (thanksgiving), as for the beer & whiskey, I'm sorted out. Cheers, damebo. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jester" To: "Gathering" Sent: Saturday, 06 December, 2003 23:25 Subject: [kj] OT: Yep, another year... > Shit! > > Another year has passed. I age one more number today. > > > Time for a beer, a shot of whiskey, and a lap dance. (o)(o) > > Cheers > J > > > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! > OCCISIO LOCATIO > > THE WEBMASTER, > JESTER > WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM > WWW.PARALLAX1.COM > > There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > > "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or > Gates?" > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 08:22:55 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Lucy Cornwell) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:22:55 -0000 Subject: [kj] OT: Yep, another year... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Happy Birthday for yesterday! You can'y stop it so you may as well just sit back and enjoy! -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of Jester Sent: 07 December 2003 07:26 To: Gathering Subject: [kj] OT: Yep, another year... Shit! Another year has passed. I age one more number today. Time for a beer, a shot of whiskey, and a lap dance. (o)(o) Cheers J KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 09:52:12 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?killing=20joke?=) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:52:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] OT: Yep, another year... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031208095212.95673.qmail@web25101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --0-191028740-1070877132=:95595 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit happy birthday mate Lucy Cornwell wrote:Happy Birthday for yesterday! You can'y stop it so you may as well just sit back and enjoy! -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of Jester Sent: 07 December 2003 07:26 To: Gathering Subject: [kj] OT: Yep, another year... Shit! Another year has passed. I age one more number today. Time for a beer, a shot of whiskey, and a lap dance. (o)(o) Cheers J KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering --------------------------------- BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save Ł80 when you order online today. Hurry! Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be. --0-191028740-1070877132=:95595 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
happy birthday mate

Lucy Cornwell <lucy.cornwell@vetstream.com> wrote:
Happy Birthday for yesterday!
You can'y stop it so you may as well just sit back and enjoy!

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On
Behalf Of Jester
Sent: 07 December 2003 07:26
To: Gathering
Subject: [kj] OT: Yep, another year...


Shit!

Another year has passed. I age one more number today.


Time for a beer, a shot of whiskey, and a lap dance. (o)(o)

Cheers
J


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BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save Ł80 when you order online today. Hurry! Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be. --0-191028740-1070877132=:95595-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 11:45:59 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Christof hamille) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 06:45:59 -0500 Subject: [kj] Jury duty in Detroit Message-ID: Well I have been asked to actually appear today (I have been summonsed three times this year, only to be rejected). The thing that stinks is that: 1. I was laid off from my day job three weeks ago 2. I have freelance jobs that are on deadline this week and I dought they will believe me that doing this will disrupt that. I am not wearing anything offensive but I will not wear a suit and tie. wish me luck Chris _________________________________________________________________ Browse styles for all ages, from the latest looks to cozy weekend wear at MSN Shopping. And check out the beauty products! http://shopping.msn.com From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 12:41:08 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 07:41:08 -0500 Subject: [kj] Jury duty in Detroit Message-ID: <200312081241.hB8Cfccw018840@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Good luck, man. Alex in NYC ---------- >From: "Christof hamille" >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: [kj] Jury duty in Detroit >Date: Mon, Dec 8, 2003, 6:45 AM > >Well I have been asked to actually appear today (I have been summonsed three >times this year, only to be rejected). The thing that stinks is that: >1. I was laid off from my day job three weeks ago >2. I have freelance jobs that are on deadline this week and I dought they >will believe me that doing this will disrupt that. >I am not wearing anything offensive but I will not wear a suit and tie. > >wish me luck > >Chris > >_________________________________________________________________ >Browse styles for all ages, from the latest looks to cozy weekend wear at >MSN Shopping. And check out the beauty products! http://shopping.msn.com > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 13:19:46 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 13:19:46 +0000 Subject: [kj] geordie Message-ID: Geordie's coming over tomorrow or Thursday. Anybody want me to ask him anything? Like what happened to the demo tapes from the last album... cheers, colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 13:49:20 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (death wish) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 13:49:20 +0000 Subject: [kj] geordie Message-ID: Ask him if he's willing to "leak" out early mix/instrumental tapes of the Damage Manual material. T. >From: mike coles >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: [kj] geordie >Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 13:19:46 +0000 > >Geordie's coming over tomorrow or Thursday. >Anybody want me to ask him anything? >Like what happened to the demo tapes from the last album... >cheers, >colesy >-- >Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk >... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 14:02:01 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (ade) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 14:02:01 -0000 Subject: [kj] geordie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c3bd93$daa6c2f0$0200a8c0@thelab.local> What a 4kin great idea - I was thinking that one myself 'tother eventide. Anything from DM pre-Atkins mixing & anything from around Extremities / Murder Inc. That was a great time for Geordie's playing IMO. ade. -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of death wish Sent: 08 December 2003 13:49 To: gathering@misera.net Subject: RE: [kj] geordie Ask him if he's willing to "leak" out early mix/instrumental tapes of the Damage Manual material. T. >From: mike coles >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: [kj] geordie >Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 13:19:46 +0000 > >Geordie's coming over tomorrow or Thursday. >Anybody want me to ask him anything? >Like what happened to the demo tapes from the last album... >cheers, >colesy >-- >Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk >... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi n.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 16:00:00 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 16:00:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] geordie Message-ID: <177581.1070899200699.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> I've been out of the loop for a couple of months so I hope I'm not going over covered ground with this one but "what is the plan regarding the future of KJ". The much touted mini UK tour for early next year is this still on. Its not going to be another 6 years is it. Although this pales into insignificance compared to the loss of life caused by the accident in Australia but what is the state of play regarding Geordies ES295s. Brian. > from: mike coles > date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 13:19:46 > to: gathering@misera.net > subject: Re: [kj] geordie > > Geordie's coming over tomorrow or Thursday. > Anybody want me to ask him anything? > Like what happened to the demo tapes from the last album... > cheers, > colesy > -- > Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk > ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 16:48:10 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dave Axford) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:48:10 -0500 Subject: [kj] geordie References: <177581.1070899200699.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <000e01c3bdab$124fc1e0$826f8a3f@Joker> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C3BD81.27A19E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > Although this pales into insignificance compared to the loss of life = caused by the accident in Australia but what is the state of play = regarding Geordies ES295s. >=20 > Brian. I was chatting with (guitar tech) Cliff. He said it was in perfect = condition. Dave ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C3BD81.27A19E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 

>
> Although this pales into = insignificance=20 compared to the loss of life caused by the accident in Australia but = what is the=20 state of play regarding Geordies ES295s.
>
>=20 Brian.
I was chatting with = (guitar tech)=20 Cliff. He said it was in perfect condition.
 
Dave
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C3BD81.27A19E80-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 16:51:50 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 16:51:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] geordie Message-ID: <6475362.1070902310761.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> Both of them I hope. > from: Dave Axford > date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 16:48:10 > to: gathering@misera.net > subject: Re: [kj] geordie > > > > > > > Although this pales into insignificance compared to the loss of life caused by the accident in Australia but what is the state of play regarding Geordies ES295s. > > > > Brian. > > I was chatting with (guitar tech) Cliff. He said it was in perfect condition. > > Dave From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 16:55:35 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?=) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 16:55:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] 666 Year of the Devil! In-Reply-To: <200312071950.hB7JoGcw028720@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20031208165535.27069.qmail@web86107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Just opened this email to find 666 unread messages! Not had time to read all these Gathering messages, so this might've been mentioned already, but Rok Dabla (the Czech film that features Jaz) is showing at Manchester Cornerhouse this Wednesday at 6.05pm See ya there?!!! GROWLand ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert ________________________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save Ł80 when you order online today. Hurry! Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=21064/*http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 17:15:20 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 12:15:20 EST Subject: [kj] O/T Chat Message-ID: <79.1e45c449.2d060ba8@aol.com> --part1_79.1e45c449.2d060ba8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone up for a bit of gum bumping? Hostiles, antagonists and downright annoying pratts need not bother. Jel --part1_79.1e45c449.2d060ba8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone up for a bit of gum bumping?

  Hostiles, antagonists and downright annoying pratts need not bother.<= BR>
  Jel --part1_79.1e45c449.2d060ba8_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 17:48:12 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 12:48:12 -0500 Subject: [kj] kj sound alikes Message-ID: <3FD4730C.7884.B74F7C@localhost> just bought the reissue "Empire" cd "expensive sound" - bob derwood andrew's post gen X band. really great stuff, especially the guitar. not much like killing joke but way ahead of it's time just the same however on one song - "Empire" - derwood's guitar sounds uncannily like mid 80's G walker...and some bpf style toms too. could mp3 if anyone wants a listen From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 18:15:14 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dirk Kingerske) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 19:15:14 +0100 Subject: [kj] VOT- Dirkie goes to Ozziland... Message-ID:





 

sorry for this VeryOT-message, but I'm a bit excited since my headmaster told me today that I'll take a group of students to Australia (Hunter Valley) next August.... are there any gatherers living close by who could give me some advice.... Scott... anyone????
 
dirk
 
well, before you have to ask me.... yes, some of them are female (year 9, which means they are aound 14 :o)
 
 

Was tun bei Spam? Schutz, Maßnahmen und alle Infos bei lästigen E-Mails! Hier klicken From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 18:20:57 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 13:20:57 -0500 Subject: [kj] O/T Chat Message-ID: <2085D4D8.7A938D19.0004DF86@aol.com> Think you might be on your own, Jel. Great to see Leicester equalise in the 90th minute. Hahahahaha, Chelsea's still top of the table in spite of a disappointing result at Elland Road. (Though not for long if we carry on like that.) Cheers, Jamie > Anyone up for a bit of gum bumping? > >  Hostiles, antagonists and downright annoying pratts need not bother. > >  Jel From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 18:30:27 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 13:30:27 EST Subject: [kj] O/T Chat Message-ID: <168.27723cb0.2d061d43@aol.com> --part1_168.27723cb0.2d061d43_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 08/12/03 10:22:48 Pacific Standard Time, Jpwhkj@aol.com writes: > Think you might be on your own, Jel. > > On the contrary old chap, a small response so far but a response...lol. And yes the best goal of the weekend was indeed Craig hignetts....bless him. --part1_168.27723cb0.2d061d43_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 08/12/03 10:22:48 Pacific Standard=20= Time, Jpwhkj@aol.com writes:

Think you might be on your own,= Jel.



  On the contrary old chap, a small response so far but a response...lo= l.

  And yes the best goal of the weekend was indeed Craig hignetts....ble= ss him. --part1_168.27723cb0.2d061d43_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 18:44:10 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 13:44:10 -0500 Subject: [kj] kj sound alikes Message-ID: <240EC067.39DFDFC5.00173524@aol.com> Without question; I am confident that everyone on this list would take mucho delight in the guitar work on Expensive Sound. The enterprising soul that put out this cd did so as a labour of love and devotion to quality music that never got its due. Highly recommended. From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 18:46:12 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Tim Bucknall) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:46:12 -0000 Subject: [kj] geordie References: Message-ID: <001501c3bdbb$8f654aa0$4e718351@mycomputer> i second that, raw tapes of him and wob jamming ----- Original Message ----- From: "death wish" To: Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 1:49 PM Subject: RE: [kj] geordie > Ask him if he's willing to "leak" out early mix/instrumental tapes of the > Damage Manual material. > > T. > > > >From: mike coles > >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net > >To: gathering@misera.net > >Subject: [kj] geordie > >Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 13:19:46 +0000 > > > >Geordie's coming over tomorrow or Thursday. > >Anybody want me to ask him anything? > >Like what happened to the demo tapes from the last album... > >cheers, > >colesy > >-- > >Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk > >... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk > >_______________________________________________ > >Gathering mailing list > >Gathering@misera.net > >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi n.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 18:54:47 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (jo) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:54:47 -0000 Subject: [kj] Doors tickets Message-ID: <021c01c3bdbc$c9aa7a40$75ac32d4@ravenscap> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0212_01C3BDBC.C06D5D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone want a couple of tickets for The Doors at Wembley Arena on = Thursday? =20 My Gran died today so family commitments stop me from going. =20 jo ------=_NextPart_000_0212_01C3BDBC.C06D5D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does anyone want a couple of tickets = for The Doors=20 at Wembley Arena on Thursday? 
My Gran died today so family = commitments stop me=20 from going. 
jo
------=_NextPart_000_0212_01C3BDBC.C06D5D80-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 19:00:07 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 14:00:07 EST Subject: [kj] geordie Message-ID: <93.36e65e89.2d062437@aol.com> --part1_93.36e65e89.2d062437_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 08/12/03 10:52:49 Pacific Standard Time, timbucknall@killing-joke.com writes: > i second that, raw tapes of him and wob jamming > Nah fuck wob, il just have tapes n tapes of geordie, jamming, sound checking, taking a crap, fucking whatever.....oh yeah and a full crystal clear digital what the fuck ever it takes of him doing Poptones....mate that makes me gooose pimply all over. Jel --part1_93.36e65e89.2d062437_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 08/12/03 10:52:49 Pacific Standard=20= Time, timbucknall@killing-joke.com writes:

i second that, raw tapes of him= and wob jamming


  Nah fuck wob, il just have tapes n tapes of geordie, jamming, sound c= hecking, taking a crap, fucking whatever.....oh yeah and a full crystal clea= r digital what the fuck ever it takes of him doing Poptones....mate that mak= es me gooose pimply all over.

  Jel --part1_93.36e65e89.2d062437_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 19:11:00 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (P Bernardi) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 14:11:00 -0500 Subject: [kj] kj sound alikes References: <3FD4730C.7884.B74F7C@localhost> Message-ID: <3FD4CCC4.9060600@erols.com> That Empire reissue is a must have. Fantastic stuff. The whole DC dischord scene loves them. fluwdot@earthlink.net wrote: >just bought the reissue "Empire" cd "expensive sound" - bob derwood andrew's post >gen X band. > >really great stuff, especially the guitar. not much like killing joke but way ahead of >it's time just the same > >however on one song - "Empire" - derwood's guitar sounds uncannily like mid 80's G >walker...and some bpf style toms too. > >could mp3 if anyone wants a listen >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 21:05:06 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 15:05:06 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: Thanks Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3153740707_690602 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hey, just wanted to say thanks to everyone that wished me a happy b day. Just relaxed and played video games all day. Ahh...refreshed! Now back to reality. 28 days since I quit smoking. Have not been intoxicated once, since then, either, and today, my fucking 46 inch big screen TV crapped out, and will cost three hundred fucking dollars to fix. I hate reality...I have shit to add to the site, but will have to wait till I get the TV sorted. I cant work, or exist without the TV. Think, Beavis and Butthead. Now, where is my Jack Daniels... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3153740707_690602 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable OT: Thanks Hey, just wanted to say= thanks to everyone that wished me a happy b day.

Just relaxed and played video games all day. Ahh...refreshed!

Now back to reality. 28 days since I quit smoking. Have not been intoxicate= d once, since then, either, and today, my fucking 46 inch big screen TV crap= ped out, and will cost three hundred fucking dollars to fix. I hate reality.= ..I have shit to add to the site, but will have to wait till I get the TV so= rted. I cant work, or exist without the TV. Think, Beavis and Butthead.


Now, where is my Jack Daniels...


KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3153740707_690602-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 21:09:00 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 16:09:00 EST Subject: [kj] OT: Thanks Message-ID: <12e.370ba5bd.2d06426c@aol.com> --part1_12e.370ba5bd.2d06426c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 08/12/03 13:07:05 Pacific Standard Time, webmaster@killing-joke.com writes: > Now, where is my Jack Daniels... > > > And then where are your cigarettes.....dont do it! --part1_12e.370ba5bd.2d06426c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 08/12/03 13:07:05 Pacific Standard=20= Time, webmaster@killing-joke.com writes:

Now, where is my Jack Daniels...




  And then where are your cigarettes.....dont do it! --part1_12e.370ba5bd.2d06426c_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 21:18:09 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 15:18:09 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: Thanks In-Reply-To: <12e.370ba5bd.2d06426c@aol.com> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3153741491_726935 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 12/8/03 3:09 PM, "Jelbod@aol.com" wrote: > In a message dated 08/12/03 13:07:05 Pacific Standard Time, > webmaster@killing-joke.com writes: > > Now, where is my Jack Daniels... > > > > > And then where are your cigarettes.....dont do it! Nah, no ciggies. Cant even stand the smell of that any more...but I needs the black jack. Not as much as I need my TV to work, but I need it dammit :-) KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3153741491_726935 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT: Thanks On 12/8/03 3:09 PM, &qu= ot;Jelbod@aol.com" <Jelbod@aol.com> wrote:

In a message dated 08/12/03 13:07:05 Pacific Standard Time, webmaster@killi= ng-joke.com writes:

Now, where is my Jack Daniels...




  And then where are your cigarettes.....dont do it!

Nah, no ciggies. Cant even stand the smell of that any more...but I needs t= he black jack. Not as much as I need my TV to work, but I need it dammit :-)=


KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HO= NOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3153741491_726935-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 21:57:00 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (parasikon) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 13:57:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT: Thanks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031208215700.18045.qmail@web20413.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1435078191-1070920620=:17586 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Did you quit cold turkey or by some other method?Either way, keep up the good work.I envy your will. Jester wrote:On 12/8/03 3:09 PM, "Jelbod@aol.com" wrote: In a message dated 08/12/03 13:07:05 Pacific Standard Time, webmaster@killing-joke.com writes: Now, where is my Jack Daniels... And then where are your cigarettes.....dont do it! Nah, no ciggies. Cant even stand the smell of that any more...but I needs the black jack. Not as much as I need my TV to work, but I need it dammit :-) KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now --0-1435078191-1070920620=:17586 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Did you quit cold turkey or by some other method?Either way, keep up the good work.I envy your will.

Jester <webmaster@killing-joke.com> wrote:
On 12/8/03 3:09 PM, "Jelbod@aol.com" <Jelbod@aol.com> wrote:
In a message dated 08/12/03 13:07:05 Pacific Standard Time, webmaster@killing-joke.com writes:

Now, where is my Jack Daniels...




  And then where are your cigarettes.....dont do it!

Nah, no ciggies. Cant even stand the smell of that any more...but I needs the black jack. Not as much as I need my TV to work, but I need it dammit :-)


KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?"

Do you Yahoo!?
Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now --0-1435078191-1070920620=:17586-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 22:12:57 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 16:12:57 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: Thanks In-Reply-To: <20031208215700.18045.qmail@web20413.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3153744778_936330 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable On 12/8/03 3:57 PM, "parasikon" wrote: > Did you quit cold turkey or by some other method?Either way, keep up the = good > work.I envy your will. >=20 >=20 >=20 Quit cold turkey, no cessation aids or anything. If I had used a patch, well, that just prolongs the agony of withdrawals and such. Might as well get it over with in one movement. I also look at it this way...I didn=B9t nee= d help starting, I shouldn=B9t need it to quit. Also, a bit of a self induced challenge, I guess. My will over the will of the addiction. A bit of sacrifice for the spirit. Will forever remind me why I shall not start again. Sure it can be a bit tough the first week or so, but after that, it has been a breeze...no pun intended. Did get a wonderful case of bronchitis from all the shit I had to cough up while healing, but in the long run, thi= s has been well worth it. Now, I have to hope Elana gives it up soon. I would seriously hate to see her go through what I was having to go through. So many things happen, that people just forget to tell you about. Like the fou= l smell of your lungs healing, the coughing (to THAT extent), foul taste in food for a while, salty food taste, nausea, severe insomnia, mild depression, and all that are associated with quitting. KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3153744778_936330 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT: Thanks On 12/8/03 3:57 PM, &qu= ot;parasikon" <parasikon@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Did you quit cold turkey or by some other method= ?Either way, keep up the good
> work.I envy your will.
>
>
>

Quit cold turkey, no cessation aids or anything. If I had used a patch, well,  that just prolongs the agony of withdrawals and such. Might as = well
get it over with in one movement. I also look at it this way...I didn’= ;t need
help starting, I shouldn’t need it to quit. Also, a bit of a self ind= uced
challenge, I guess. My will over the will of the addiction. A bit of
sacrifice for the spirit. Will forever remind me why I shall not start
again. Sure it can be a bit tough the first week or so, but after that, it =
has been a breeze...no pun intended. Did get a wonderful case of bronchitis=
from all the shit I had to cough up while healing, but in the long run, thi= s
has been well worth it. Now, I have to hope Elana gives it up soon. I would=
seriously hate to see her go through what I was having to go through. So many things happen, that people just forget to tell you about. Like the fou= l
smell of your lungs healing, the coughing (to THAT extent), foul taste in <= BR> food for a while, salty food taste, nausea, severe insomnia, mild
depression, and all that are associated with quitting.

KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3153744778_936330-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 22:26:44 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Astrid Pretterhofer) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:26:44 +0100 (MET) Subject: [kj] hey chatters.... References: <00dd01c3bd1f$e806c720$0200a8c0@Paulas> Message-ID: <15154.1070922404@www68.gmx.net> ....WAKE UP!!!!!!!!! you know where: http://www.killing-joke.com/chat/ see you there, Astrid. -- +++ GMX - die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More +++ Neu: Preissenkung für MMS und FreeMMS! http://www.gmx.net From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 22:30:32 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:30:32 -0000 Subject: [kj] TO JESTER Message-ID: <001b01c3bdda$e8403cb0$6a49ff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C3BDDA.E456F490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe its time to change the"keep the fire alive"slogan at the bottom of = your posts.maybe "keeping the fire out"is more appropriate. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C3BDDA.E456F490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Maybe its time to change the"keep the = fire=20 alive"slogan at the bottom of your posts.maybe "keeping the fire out"is = more=20 appropriate.
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C3BDDA.E456F490-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 22:37:28 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Astrid Pretterhofer) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:37:28 +0100 (MET) Subject: [kj] OT: Thanks References: Message-ID: <670.1070923048@www68.gmx.net> Jester, that certainly sounds terrible, but hope has it, it all'll end well. i really hope you'll beat the addiction! me, i never really started smoking myself, but almost all in my family do, so i know it's not quite easy. stay tough!! :) Astrid. > On 12/8/03 3:57 PM, "parasikon" wrote: > > > Did you quit cold turkey or by some other method?Either way, keep up the > good > > work.I envy your will. > > > > > > > > Quit cold turkey, no cessation aids or anything. If I had used a patch, > well, that just prolongs the agony of withdrawals and such. Might as well > get it over with in one movement. I also look at it this way...I didnąt > nee > d > help starting, I shouldnąt need it to quit. Also, a bit of a self induced > challenge, I guess. My will over the will of the addiction. A bit of > sacrifice for the spirit. Will forever remind me why I shall not start > again. Sure it can be a bit tough the first week or so, but after that, it > has been a breeze...no pun intended. Did get a wonderful case of > bronchitis > >from all the shit I had to cough up while healing, but in the long run, > thi > s > has been well worth it. Now, I have to hope Elana gives it up soon. I > would > seriously hate to see her go through what I was having to go through. So > many things happen, that people just forget to tell you about. Like the > fou > l > smell of your lungs healing, the coughing (to THAT extent), foul taste in > food for a while, salty food taste, nausea, severe insomnia, mild > depression, and all that are associated with quitting. > > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! > OCCISIO LOCATIO > > THE WEBMASTER, > JESTER > WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM > WWW.PARALLAX1.COM > > There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > > "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or > Gates?" > > -- +++ GMX - die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More +++ Neu: Preissenkung für MMS und FreeMMS! http://www.gmx.net From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 22:56:07 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:56:07 -0500 Subject: [kj] geordie Message-ID: <200312082256.hB8Muagt004243@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> >From Alex in NYC, ask him: - Does he still have the Priest's collar/frock he sported in the "Eighties" video, and does he ever wear it out for a laugh? - Who does he reckon is his toughest competition in the guitar department? Which guitarists does he rate? - When's the live album coming out? - Why "Atticus"? Was he a big fan of "To Kill a Mockingbird"? - What's the story with those pants, and where can I get a pair? Alex in NYC ---------- >From: mike coles >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: [kj] geordie >Date: Mon, Dec 8, 2003, 8:19 AM > >Geordie's coming over tomorrow or Thursday. >Anybody want me to ask him anything? >Like what happened to the demo tapes from the last album... >cheers, >colesy >-- >Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk >... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 23:05:28 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Christof hamille) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 18:05:28 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: Firewater Live in NYC Message-ID: I saw one of the first shows of the tour here in Detroit and agree that it was one of the better times I have seen them (this is either the 4th or 5th). For you Alex I believe the show in NyC was the last of the US tour. Now supposedly they are coming out with a cover album next year and I have already seen it floating around in prerelease format. Supposed to be good. Chris >From: "Alex Smith" >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: [kj] OT: Firewater Live in NYC >Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:35:50 -0500 > > >Not quite the Joke, but one of my favorite bands of all time all the same >(as I believe I've expressed here in the past). They played last night. >Herewith my needlessly wordy (of course) review.... > >---------- > >Another bright, sunny morning with a hangover. Where's that coffee? > >Alright, suffice it to say, I was well beery by the end of last night, so I >have to type all this out now before it vanishes down the rabbit-hole. >There's going to be a lot of needless details herein, but I can't write >these things any other way, so sorry in advance. An amazing evening, it >started off rather inauspiciously. Having only the vaguest of plans to meet >my pal/colleague John Flowers "somewhere around the bar around 9pm," I left >the comfy confines of my warm home (and my slighly disgruntled wife), and >departed into the gaping maw of the elements. > >After all that discussion of crowd-staving, show-thwarting blizzardry, by >the time I popped out my door around 8:15, the onslaught of God's Dandruff >had lessened significantly to a light-but-perpetual dusting, no longer a >torrent of white blowing in one's face. Trudging down a nearly deserted >Bowery in the snow, I was instantly reminded of an evening about twelve >years back, when I was doing a similar snow-choked trek to go see Cop $hoot >Cop at some sqaulid Lower East Side dive. Despite all the gentrification, >NYC in the snow still looks the same, and it's timelessly lovely and >cinematic. Turns out, however, that I was a little hasty in my departure, >and found myself in the vicinity of the Ballroom of Boweryness well ahead >of >schedule. After some atmospheric strolling around ("Shine On..) Elizabeth >Street, I popped into "the Pioneer" Bar for a minutes-killing pint of >Stella >Artrois, only to get sucked into watching the Iron Man Competition on the >wide-screen. One beer later, I sauntered over to the Bowery Ballroom. > >One of the first on the scene, I grabbed a seat at the bar to monitor the >door. In short order, in walked a fetchingly brunette Jeanette (or, for >those of you who've never met her, HNRY), with her admirably game mother >Pat >in tow. Milling about were various GvsB'ers (Scott and the other one), >though I didn't engage them. Next in came bounding erstwhile Firewaterer >and >full-time Botanican, Paul Wallfisch. Mustachioed nogoodnick and fellow TIME >Boozedesker, John Fletcher Flowers arrived and assumed his natural barside >stool. HNRY worked the gathering crowd and unearthd Rudy Watkins, Qwak (I >think I'm spelling that right) and a young lady whose name escapes me. >Also >corralled was Jim "Stop Calling Me Elvis" Everett, with his implausibly >classy posters for sale (I bought one, and spent the latter part of the >evening using it to club John Flowers). More amiliar faces, lovely >Michelle >and her Fiance appeared next, basking in the glow of enaged amore, and the >ceaselessly frenetic Liz (resplendent in eye-catching Kommunizt chapeau). >Officially Missing in Action: Heather, Jo, Regina, Jim Formerly in KoP, >Kathy Tango Twin Number Two). After schmoozing barside with various other >JetSetters and the like, I couldn't help noticing one or another opening >band had commenced. > >Poked my head upstairs, but was not impressed with the onstage proceedings, >so repaired back to the bar. Incidentally, the Firewater shirts this tour >are *MAGNIFIQUE!* Loosely based on the famous Bob Gruen photograph of John >Lennon, it features the legend "FIREWATER*NYC" in a simillar font to the >NEW >YORK CITY shirt Lennon sports (only with sleeves) and comes in black, >gymnasium grey or blinding orange (I opted for the latter). I complemented >some seemingly random punter on his Foetus t-shirt, only to have him swing >around and say: "Congratulations on the baby, Alex," which practically blew >a new part in my hair. The Lurkers' numbers swell. > >After another beer, John and I decided it was time to adjourn upstairs to >prepare for Firewater. Spotted Rob Sheffield in the crowd chatting with >some >doe-eyed lass about the sonic wonder of Calla. No, I didn't assault him. >Calla (if it is they who were soiling the stage prior to Firewater) are >yawnsome shoegazery of the most crushingly ennui-enducing variety, and >that's being as nice as I can muster. > >Next up, Firewater, and by this time, I'm already grinning, but that >probably had more to do with the beer consumption. No orange shirt for Tod, >for those of you keepin' score of such things, but he did sport a >strategically placed tamborine around his right boot, which I thought most >groovy. To the listing strains of "El Borracho," the band assumed the >stage. >Herewith the set list, swiped from the stage apres encore...... > >"El Borracho" >"Snake-Eyes & Boxcars" >"Bourbon & Division" >"Storm Warning" (a very fitting song for the evening, given the snow) >"The Man with the Blurry Face" >"Dark Days Indeed" (which takes on a positively excorcism-like quality >live) >"When I Burn this Place Down" >"Too Many Angels" >"Some Strange Reaction" >"The Vegas Strip" >"Ponzi's Revenge" >........it was to the opening notes of this song that I officially exited >Planet Coolster and roughly trod to the very front to engage in some >dignity-free frugging with my fellow Circusfolk. >"So Long, Superman" >"Another Perfect Catastrophe" >ENCORE: >"The Man on the Burning Tightrope"......which had me headbanging as if it >was being performed by Black Sabbath. >"Knock'em Down" >and a most feral, newly furious rendition of "Dropping Like Flies". > >As many other folks have pointed out in many other live reviews, there are >some radical re-inventions of some songs here. This incarnation of >Firewater >boasts a zealous horn section that breathes new life into some old >favorites, and it is WELL clear that Tod is having a ball up there. I >can't >speak for everyone, but I thought the band were in massive form, and I had >a >great, goddamn time. Do not pass up an opportunity to see this tour!!!! > >Afterwards, milled around back at the bar for a bit. Didn't get a chance to >chat with Tod afterwards, but didn't spot him downstairs. It was getting >later and later, and with John needing to find a way back to Brooklyn and >m'self having a pregnant wife at home (wisely not waiting up), we decided >that it was time to split. > >So, there ye have it. > >Alex in NYC > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > . _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year — six months @$9.95/month. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 23:07:49 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 18:07:49 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: Thanks Message-ID: <200312082307.hB8N7Xgt020370@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3153751669_66490_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Oh man.....no smokey and no drinky and no tv? That's no way to run a railroad, my man! My heart goes out to ya. You shoulda been here for the Firewater show. Anyway, happy happy! Alex in NYC ---------- From: Jester To: Gathering Subject: [kj] OT: Thanks Date: Mon, Dec 8, 2003, 4:05 PM Hey, just wanted to say thanks to everyone that wished me a happy b day. Just relaxed and played video games all day. Ahh...refreshed! Now back to reality. 28 days since I quit smoking. Have not been intoxicated once, since then, either, and today, my fucking 46 inch big screen TV crapped out, and will cost three hundred fucking dollars to fix. I hate reality...I have shit to add to the site, but will have to wait till I get the TV sorted. I cant work, or exist without the TV. Think, Beavis and Butthead. Now, where is my Jack Daniels... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --MS_Mac_OE_3153751669_66490_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT: Thanks
Oh man.....no smokey and no drinky and no tv? That's no way to run a railro= ad, my man! My heart goes out to ya.  You shoulda been here for the Fir= ewater show. Anyway, happy happy!

Alex
    in
    NYC




----------
From: Jester <webmaster@killing-joke.com>
To: Gathering <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: [kj] OT: Thanks
Date: Mon, Dec 8, 2003, 4:05 PM


Hey, just wanted to say thanks to everyone that wished me a hap= py b day.

Just relaxed and played video games all day. Ahh...refreshed!

Now back to reality. 28 days since I quit smoking. Have not been intoxicate= d once, since then, either, and today, my fucking 46 inch big screen TV crap= ped out, and will cost three hundred fucking dollars to fix. I hate reality.= ..I have shit to add to the site, but will have to wait till I get the TV so= rted. I cant work, or exist without the TV. Think, Beavis and Butthead.


Now, where is my Jack Daniels...


KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"

--MS_Mac_OE_3153751669_66490_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 23:21:33 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 18:21:33 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: Firewater Live in NYC Message-ID: <200312082321.hB8NLHcw029401@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> I have it. It's pretty good, though they botch the cover of "Paint it Black= " and their take on "Hey Bulldog" (which was my suggestion) is sloppy, but still endearing. Well worth pickin' up, though. Alex in NYC ---------- >From: "Christof hamille" >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: RE: [kj] OT: Firewater Live in NYC >Date: Mon, Dec 8, 2003, 6:05 PM > >I saw one of the first shows of the tour here in Detroit and agree that it= >was one of the better times I have seen them (this is either the 4th or >5th). For you Alex I believe the show in NyC was the last of the US tour.= >Now supposedly they are coming out with a cover album next year and I have= >already seen it floating around in prerelease format. Supposed to be good= . > >Chris > > >>From: "Alex Smith" >>Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >>To: gathering@misera.net >>Subject: [kj] OT: Firewater Live in NYC >>Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:35:50 -0500 >> >> >>Not quite the Joke, but one of my favorite bands of all time all the same >>(as I believe I've expressed here in the past). They played last night. >>Herewith my needlessly wordy (of course) review.... >> >>---------- >> >>Another bright, sunny morning with a hangover. Where's that coffee? >> >>Alright, suffice it to say, I was well beery by the end of last night, so= I >>have to type all this out now before it vanishes down the rabbit-hole. >>There's going to be a lot of needless details herein, but I can't write >>these things any other way, so sorry in advance. An amazing evening, it >>started off rather inauspiciously. Having only the vaguest of plans to me= et >>my pal/colleague John Flowers "somewhere around the bar around 9pm," I le= ft >>the comfy confines of my warm home (and my slighly disgruntled wife), and >>departed into the gaping maw of the elements. >> >>After all that discussion of crowd-staving, show-thwarting blizzardry, by >>the time I popped out my door around 8:15, the onslaught of God's Dandruf= f >>had lessened significantly to a light-but-perpetual dusting, no longer a >>torrent of white blowing in one's face. Trudging down a nearly deserted >>Bowery in the snow, I was instantly reminded of an evening about twelve >>years back, when I was doing a similar snow-choked trek to go see Cop $ho= ot >>Cop at some sqaulid Lower East Side dive. Despite all the gentrification, >>NYC in the snow still looks the same, and it's timelessly lovely and >>cinematic. Turns out, however, that I was a little hasty in my departure, >>and found myself in the vicinity of the Ballroom of Boweryness well ahead= >>of >>schedule. After some atmospheric strolling around ("Shine On..) Elizabeth >>Street, I popped into "the Pioneer" Bar for a minutes-killing pint of >>Stella >>Artrois, only to get sucked into watching the Iron Man Competition on the >>wide-screen. One beer later, I sauntered over to the Bowery Ballroom. >> >>One of the first on the scene, I grabbed a seat at the bar to monitor the >>door. In short order, in walked a fetchingly brunette Jeanette (or, for >>those of you who've never met her, HNRY), with her admirably game mother >>Pat >>in tow. Milling about were various GvsB'ers (Scott and the other one), >>though I didn't engage them. Next in came bounding erstwhile Firewaterer >>and >>full-time Botanican, Paul Wallfisch. Mustachioed nogoodnick and fellow TI= ME >>Boozedesker, John Fletcher Flowers arrived and assumed his natural barsid= e >>stool. HNRY worked the gathering crowd and unearthd Rudy Watkins, Qwak (= I >>think I'm spelling that right) and a young lady whose name escapes me. >>Also >>corralled was Jim "Stop Calling Me Elvis" Everett, with his implausibly >>classy posters for sale (I bought one, and spent the latter part of the >>evening using it to club John Flowers). More amiliar faces, lovely >>Michelle >>and her Fiance appeared next, basking in the glow of enaged amore, and th= e >>ceaselessly frenetic Liz (resplendent in eye-catching Kommunizt chapeau). >>Officially Missing in Action: Heather, Jo, Regina, Jim Formerly in KoP, >>Kathy Tango Twin Number Two). After schmoozing barside with various other >>JetSetters and the like, I couldn't help noticing one or another opening >>band had commenced. >> >>Poked my head upstairs, but was not impressed with the onstage proceeding= s, >>so repaired back to the bar. Incidentally, the Firewater shirts this tour >>are *MAGNIFIQUE!* Loosely based on the famous Bob Gruen photograph of Joh= n >>Lennon, it features the legend "FIREWATER*NYC" in a simillar font to the >>NEW >>YORK CITY shirt Lennon sports (only with sleeves) and comes in black, >>gymnasium grey or blinding orange (I opted for the latter). I complemente= d >>some seemingly random punter on his Foetus t-shirt, only to have him swin= g >>around and say: "Congratulations on the baby, Alex," which practically bl= ew >>a new part in my hair. The Lurkers' numbers swell. >> >>After another beer, John and I decided it was time to adjourn upstairs to >>prepare for Firewater. Spotted Rob Sheffield in the crowd chatting with >>some >>doe-eyed lass about the sonic wonder of Calla. No, I didn't assault him. >>Calla (if it is they who were soiling the stage prior to Firewater) are >>yawnsome shoegazery of the most crushingly ennui-enducing variety, and >>that's being as nice as I can muster. >> >>Next up, Firewater, and by this time, I'm already grinning, but that >>probably had more to do with the beer consumption. No orange shirt for To= d, >>for those of you keepin' score of such things, but he did sport a >>strategically placed tamborine around his right boot, which I thought mos= t >>groovy. To the listing strains of "El Borracho," the band assumed the >>stage. >>Herewith the set list, swiped from the stage apres encore...... >> >>"El Borracho" >>"Snake-Eyes & Boxcars" >>"Bourbon & Division" >>"Storm Warning" (a very fitting song for the evening, given the snow) >>"The Man with the Blurry Face" >>"Dark Days Indeed" (which takes on a positively excorcism-like quality >>live) >>"When I Burn this Place Down" >>"Too Many Angels" >>"Some Strange Reaction" >>"The Vegas Strip" >>"Ponzi's Revenge" >>........it was to the opening notes of this song that I officially exited >>Planet Coolster and roughly trod to the very front to engage in some >>dignity-free frugging with my fellow Circusfolk. >>"So Long, Superman" >>"Another Perfect Catastrophe" >>ENCORE: >>"The Man on the Burning Tightrope"......which had me headbanging as if it >>was being performed by Black Sabbath. >>"Knock'em Down" >>and a most feral, newly furious rendition of "Dropping Like Flies". >> >>As many other folks have pointed out in many other live reviews, there ar= e >>some radical re-inventions of some songs here. This incarnation of >>Firewater >>boasts a zealous horn section that breathes new life into some old >>favorites, and it is WELL clear that Tod is having a ball up there. I >>can't >>speak for everyone, but I thought the band were in massive form, and I ha= d >>a >>great, goddamn time. Do not pass up an opportunity to see this tour!!!! >> >>Afterwards, milled around back at the bar for a bit. Didn't get a chance = to >>chat with Tod afterwards, but didn't spot him downstairs. It was getting >>later and later, and with John needing to find a way back to Brooklyn and >>m'self having a pregnant wife at home (wisely not waiting up), we decided >>that it was time to split. >> >>So, there ye have it. >> >>Alex in NYC >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT >> >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service >> . > >_________________________________________________________________ >Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year =97 six months >@$9.95/month. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=3Ddept/dialup > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 8 23:45:46 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:45:46 EST Subject: [kj] OT: Yep, another year... Message-ID: --part1_ba.4b6e2193.2d06672a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many happy returns Joe, better late than never....enjoy Dave --part1_ba.4b6e2193.2d06672a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Many happy returns Joe,
better late than never....enjoy



Dave

 --part1_ba.4b6e2193.2d06672a_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 9 00:07:19 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Michele Marchesan) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 01:07:19 +0100 Subject: [kj] geordie References: <177581.1070899200699.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <016201c3bde8$69d2f080$8400000a@tmg32> ask him why ted parson didn't make it to sydney on time and what kind of corporal punishment he (ted) has gone through damage manual ? exactly! by the way, scott lambeth is a great bloke M. > > from: mike coles > > date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 13:19:46 > > to: gathering@misera.net > > subject: Re: [kj] geordie > > > > Geordie's coming over tomorrow or Thursday. > > Anybody want me to ask him anything? > > Like what happened to the demo tapes from the last album... > > cheers, > > colesy > > -- > > Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk > > ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 9 02:21:01 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 02:21:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] OT: Turbonegro Message-ID: <8086375.1070936461449.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> Just got in from Turbonegro at Mean Fiddler, man what a gig. Great speech from frontman Hank about how the band have just been in Australia and been to a gay rights parade, then they're in London today and another one goes past their hotel - he meant the rugby world cup team victory parade - had the whole crowd chanting Rugby! Rugby! That's two gigs this year spent down the front - must be reclaiming my youth or something. But seriously, absolutely storming gig. Even if they didn't do 'Rock Against Ass'... N -- 'Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum' -- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 9 02:23:20 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mik Raven) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 02:23:20 -0000 Subject: [kj] Another Taster From Astoria References: <20031129230605.40804.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001b01c3bdfb$6a6ee7c0$0200a8c0@Paulas> Sorry, it's been hard work. I'm now happy with the quality of the VCD. A little problem with the sound but hey, I do not want it to compete with the official DVD! All that's left to do is to encode all the video to put it on the web, do the label and covers and update 20 odd static HTML web pages... fuck me! Anyway, bear with it, the camera moves in closer eventually http://www.no35.dial.pipex.com/Red.wmv Still, there's only ade watching these ;-) Mik From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 9 02:47:15 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Christof hamille) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 21:47:15 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: Turbonegro Message-ID: When they were here in the States I was hoping that they were going to do Denim Demon, but no. Oh well. Hopefully they do not melt down again and they storm the world once more. Chris >From: neilfperry@btinternet.com >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: [kj] OT: Turbonegro >Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 02:21:01 +0000 (GMT) > >Just got in from Turbonegro at Mean Fiddler, man what a gig. >Great speech from frontman Hank about how the band have just >been in Australia and been to a gay rights parade, then they're in London >today and another one goes past their hotel - he meant the rugby world cup >team victory parade - had the whole crowd chanting Rugby! Rugby! >That's two gigs this year spent down the front - must be reclaiming >my youth or something. But seriously, absolutely storming gig. Even if >they didn't do 'Rock Against Ass'... >N > > >-- 'Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum' -- >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ Wonder if the latest virus has gotten to your computer? Find out. Run the FREE McAfee online computer scan! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 9 03:22:24 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Christof hamille) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:22:24 -0500 Subject: [kj] geordie Message-ID: Would Geordie consider producing other bands? especially those inhis area? ; ) Also can I get guitar lessons? >From: "Michele Marchesan" >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >To: >Subject: Re: [kj] geordie >Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 01:07:19 +0100 > > >ask him why ted parson didn't make it to sydney on time and what kind of >corporal punishment he (ted) has gone through >damage manual ? >exactly! > >by the way, scott lambeth is a great bloke > >M. > > > > > from: mike coles > > > date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 13:19:46 > > > to: gathering@misera.net > > > subject: Re: [kj] geordie > > > > > > Geordie's coming over tomorrow or Thursday. > > > Anybody want me to ask him anything? > > > Like what happened to the demo tapes from the last album... > > > cheers, > > > colesy > > > -- > > > Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk > > > ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gathering mailing list > > > Gathering@misera.net > > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ Winterize your home with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 9 08:59:28 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 08:59:28 +0000 Subject: [kj] chaos for breakfast... Message-ID: ...that's my provisional title for the CD box set. what thinkest though, gatherers? And you all know what song it's from, don't you? cheers, colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 9 10:16:49 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gabriella_Wing=E5rdh?=) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:16:49 +0100 Subject: [kj] geordie References: Message-ID: <003201c3be3d$8f142350$030c43d5@oemcomputer> Hi Mike! Just out of curiosity, would you ask Geordie if the KJ has ever been = working with any comics creator, like Steve Severin and Grant Morrison = or David J, Bauhaus and Alan Moore? Thanks! Gabriella From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 9 10:50:56 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (foolscircle9ways) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 02:50:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] chaos for breakfast... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031209105056.50431.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1878403636-1070967056=:50143 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hmmm, that's got bells ringing, well...there's something in the air. mike coles wrote:...that's my provisional title for the CD box set. what thinkest though, gatherers? And you all know what song it's from, don't you? cheers, colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering If you're not living on the edge you're taking up too much room. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --0-1878403636-1070967056=:50143 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hmmm, that's got bells ringing, well...there's something in the air.

mike coles <mike@maliciousdamage.co.uk> wrote:
...that's my provisional title for the CD box set.
what thinkest though, gatherers?
And you all know what song it's from, don't you?
cheers,
colesy
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New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --0-1878403636-1070967056=:50143-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 9 10:57:48 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 10:57:48 +0000 Subject: [kj] something in the air... Message-ID: ...everybody can feel it... got it first time stuartfc9w cheers, colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 9 11:17:19 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (foolscircle9ways) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 03:17:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] More Chaos for Breakfast... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031209111719.77311.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> --0-2022110807-1070968639=:73822 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey, if Yoof gets involved we could have "The Full English" mix, or Jaz in Prague could do a symphonic "Continental"... mike coles wrote: ...everybody can feel it... got it first time stuartfc9w cheers, colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering If you're not living on the edge you're taking up too much room. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --0-2022110807-1070968639=:73822 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hey, if Yoof gets involved we could have "The Full English" mix, or Jaz in Prague could do a symphonic "Continental"...

mike coles <mike@maliciousdamage.co.uk> wrote:
...everybody can feel it...
got it first time stuartfc9w
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New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --0-2022110807-1070968639=:73822-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 9 11:44:36 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Cliff and Kara Livingston) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 02:44:36 -0900 Subject: [kj] Chat now Message-ID: <006301c3be49$d68a8c40$178b70d1@antifrz> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C3BDFE.62276E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HTTP://WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM/CHAT please hurry Pavel and Stimro are killing us with bad jokes...bring a = ladder to change a lightbulb,and the rest you can get on the guest = list.Cheers,Monk-A ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C3BDFE.62276E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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please hurry Pavel and Stimro are = killing us=20 with bad jokes...bring a ladder to change a lightbulb,and the rest = you can=20 get on the guest list.Cheers,Monk-A 
------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C3BDFE.62276E40-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 9 13:52:38 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:52:38 +0000 Subject: [kj] geordie Message-ID: --============_-1141144533==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Saw the man in fine fettle. A quick visit with nick walker. In between the usual spouts of blah blah fuck fuck Jazz Summers blah cunt fuck blah blah I managed to acquire the following info: deathwish asked: Ask him if he's willing to "leak" out early mix/instrumental tapes of the Damage Manual material. Yes, he said he'll let me do it on MD next year wittz asked what is the plan regarding the future of KJ". The much touted mini UK tour for early next year is this still on. Its not going to be another 6 years is it. Seems like Big Life now want to put off any more touring until summer next year. Apparently they've got badlydrawnboy and tenbenson to look after!! Geordie is not a happy bunny about this!! cue: blah blah fuck fuck Jazz Summers blah cunt fuck blah blah kill kill die lawyer lawyer... fluwdot asked thanks for bringing this up. i would like for you to ask geordie if he has any demos, outtakes, live gigs, videos or unreleased songs from 83 - 84 fire dances era that may soon surface on official release? He's going to have a good old dig about and see what he can find. He said to me last year that he'd like to remix Firedances one day. I passed on the GB stuff Todd. jelbod asked Nah fuck wob, nah fuck wob? sounds like a native american greeting - "How's things?" "nah fuck wob, mate, nah fuck wob" il just have tapes n tapes of geordie taking a crap, fucking whatever It's a possibility if I wire up the bog for the next time he comes around. michele asked ask him why ted parson didn't make it to sydney on time and what kind of corporal punishment he (ted) has gone through Very sore point, that one. He said "we left it to his missus to sort the cunt out" flumeDC asked -did they have a chance to write any new material during the tour and what direction is it going in? When we visited a few years ago at his place he played us some works-in-progress that were absolutely blinding. We thought those songs would be what we heard on the new cd-which is great-but they're not. Is he stockpiling these gems in the vault for future releases? A lot of that stuff is still stockpiling in the vault for future releases! He says he has about seven new songs since the album. But I don't know if he meant just his stuff or if it includes vocals/bass/drums. I'm a crap interviewer!! -has he gotten that acoustic guitar he described?, its made by Breedlove from Oregon. No he didn't get it. Sorry Alex, Gabriella and Christof your questions will have to wait until next time. Cliff, I passed on your details. Geordie and Nick were really impressed with you. What did you do for them??! That's all the Malicious Gossip for today, I'll check out the pants next time alexinnyc!! cheers, colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk --============_-1141144533==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" geordie
Saw the man in fine fettle.
A quick visit with nick walker.
In between the usual spouts of blah blah fuck fuck Jazz Summers blah cunt fuck blah blah I managed to acquire the following info:

deathwish asked:
Ask him if he's willing to "leak" out early mix/instrumental tapes of the Damage Manual material.
Yes, he said he'll let me do it on MD next year

wittz asked
what is the plan regarding the future of KJ". The much touted mini UK tour for early next year is this still on. Its not going to be another 6 years is it.
Seems like Big Life now want to put off any more touring until summer next year.
Apparently they've got badlydrawnboy and tenbenson to look after!!
Geordie is not a happy bunny about this!!
cue: blah blah fuck fuck Jazz Summers blah cunt fuck blah blah kill kill die lawyer lawyer...

fluwdot asked
thanks for bringing this up. i would like for you to ask geordie if he has any demos, outtakes, live gigs, videos or unreleased songs from 83 - 84 fire dances era that may soon surface on official release?
He's going to have a good old dig about and see what he can find.
He said to me last year that he'd like to remix Firedances one day.
I passed on the GB stuff Todd.

jelbod asked
Nah fuck wob,
nah fuck wob?
sounds like a native american greeting - "How's things?" "nah fuck wob, mate, nah fuck wob"
il just have tapes n tapes of geordie taking a crap, fucking whatever
It's a possibility if I wire up the bog for the next time he comes around.

michele asked
ask him why ted parson didn't make it to sydney on time and what kind of
corporal punishment he (ted) has gone through
Very sore point, that one. He said "we left it to his missus to sort the cunt out"

flumeDC asked
-did they have a chance to write any new material during the tour and what direction is it going in?  When we visited a few years ago at his place he played us some works-in-progress that were absolutely blinding.   We thought those songs would be what we heard on the new cd-which is great-but they're not.    Is he stockpiling these gems in the vault for future releases?
A lot of that stuff is still stockpiling in the vault for future releases!
He says he has about seven new songs since the album.
But I don't know if he meant just his stuff or if it includes vocals/bass/drums.
I'm a crap interviewer!!

-has he gotten that acoustic guitar he described?, its made by Breedlove from Oregon.
No he didn't get it.

Sorry Alex, Gabriella and Christof your questions will have to wait until next time.

Cliff, I passed on your details.
Geordie and Nick were really impressed with you. What did you do for them??!

That's all the Malicious Gossip for today, I'll check out the pants next time alexinnyc!!
cheers,
colesy

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--============_-1141144533==_ma============-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 9 14:03:07 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (death wish) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 14:03:07 +0000 Subject: [kj] geordie Message-ID: Sweet! unDamaged Manual AND a remixed Fire Dances! What grand ideas! T. >From: mike coles >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: [kj] geordie >Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:52:38 +0000 > >Saw the man in fine fettle. >A quick visit with nick walker. >In between the usual spouts of blah blah fuck fuck Jazz Summers blah cunt >fuck blah blah I managed to acquire the following info: > >deathwish asked: >Ask him if he's willing to "leak" out early mix/instrumental tapes of the >Damage Manual material. >Yes, he said he'll let me do it on MD next year > >wittz asked >what is the plan regarding the future of KJ". The much touted mini UK tour >for early next year is this still on. Its not going to be another 6 years >is it. >Seems like Big Life now want to put off any more touring until summer next >year. >Apparently they've got badlydrawnboy and tenbenson to look after!! >Geordie is not a happy bunny about this!! >cue: blah blah fuck fuck Jazz Summers blah cunt fuck blah blah kill kill >die lawyer lawyer... > >fluwdot asked >thanks for bringing this up. i would like for you to ask geordie if he has >any demos, outtakes, live gigs, videos or unreleased songs from 83 - 84 >fire dances era that may soon surface on official release? >He's going to have a good old dig about and see what he can find. >He said to me last year that he'd like to remix Firedances one day. >I passed on the GB stuff Todd. > >jelbod asked >Nah fuck wob, >nah fuck wob? >sounds like a native american greeting - "How's things?" "nah fuck wob, >mate, nah fuck wob" >il just have tapes n tapes of geordie taking a crap, fucking whatever >It's a possibility if I wire up the bog for the next time he comes around. > >michele asked >ask him why ted parson didn't make it to sydney on time and what kind of >corporal punishment he (ted) has gone through >Very sore point, that one. He said "we left it to his missus to sort the >cunt out" > >flumeDC asked >-did they have a chance to write any new material during the tour and what >direction is it going in? When we visited a few years ago at his place he >played us some works-in-progress that were absolutely blinding. We >thought those songs would be what we heard on the new cd-which is great-but >they're not. Is he stockpiling these gems in the vault for future >releases? >A lot of that stuff is still stockpiling in the vault for future releases! >He says he has about seven new songs since the album. >But I don't know if he meant just his stuff or if it includes >vocals/bass/drums. >I'm a crap interviewer!! > >-has he gotten that acoustic guitar he described?, its made by Breedlove >from Oregon. >No he didn't get it. > >Sorry Alex, Gabriella and Christof your questions will have to wait until >next time. > >Cliff, I passed on your details. >Geordie and Nick were really impressed with you. What did you do for >them??! > >That's all the Malicious Gossip for today, I'll check out the pants next >time alexinnyc!! >cheers, >colesy > >-- >Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk >... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/features&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 9 13:58:49 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Cliff and Kara Livingston) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 04:58:49 -0900 Subject: [kj] geordie References: Message-ID: <008a01c3be5c$999edda0$178b70d1@antifrz> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C3BE11.221615A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable geordieChaos for Breakfast,nice one thanks again Mike yer a fine = Gent...psst got any of those cool MD clocks? gonna wisper in Mrs santa's = ear....get cliff a MD clock for x-mas......hehe Cheers , Cliff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mike coles=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 4:52 AM Subject: [kj] geordie Saw the man in fine fettle. A quick visit with nick walker. In between the usual spouts of blah blah fuck fuck Jazz Summers blah = cunt fuck blah blah I managed to acquire the following info: deathwish asked: Ask him if he's willing to "leak" out early mix/instrumental tapes of = the Damage Manual material. Yes, he said he'll let me do it on MD next year wittz asked what is the plan regarding the future of KJ". The much touted mini UK = tour for early next year is this still on. Its not going to be another 6 = years is it. Seems like Big Life now want to put off any more touring until summer = next year. Apparently they've got badlydrawnboy and tenbenson to look after!! Geordie is not a happy bunny about this!! cue: blah blah fuck fuck Jazz Summers blah cunt fuck blah blah kill = kill die lawyer lawyer... fluwdot asked thanks for bringing this up. i would like for you to ask geordie if he = has any demos, outtakes, live gigs, videos or unreleased songs from 83 - = 84 fire dances era that may soon surface on official release? He's going to have a good old dig about and see what he can find. He said to me last year that he'd like to remix Firedances one day. I passed on the GB stuff Todd. jelbod asked Nah fuck wob, nah fuck wob? sounds like a native american greeting - "How's things?" "nah fuck = wob, mate, nah fuck wob" il just have tapes n tapes of geordie taking a crap, fucking whatever It's a possibility if I wire up the bog for the next time he comes = around. michele asked ask him why ted parson didn't make it to sydney on time and what kind = of corporal punishment he (ted) has gone through Very sore point, that one. He said "we left it to his missus to sort = the cunt out" flumeDC asked -did they have a chance to write any new material during the tour and = what direction is it going in? When we visited a few years ago at his = place he played us some works-in-progress that were absolutely blinding. = We thought those songs would be what we heard on the new cd-which is = great-but they're not. Is he stockpiling these gems in the vault for = future releases? A lot of that stuff is still stockpiling in the vault for future = releases! He says he has about seven new songs since the album. But I don't know if he meant just his stuff or if it includes = vocals/bass/drums. I'm a crap interviewer!! -has he gotten that acoustic guitar he described?, its made by = Breedlove from Oregon. No he didn't get it. Sorry Alex, Gabriella and Christof your questions will have to wait = until next time. Cliff, I passed on your details. Geordie and Nick were really impressed with you. What did you do for = them??! That's all the Malicious Gossip for today, I'll check out the pants = next time alexinnyc!! cheers, colesy --=20 Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C3BE11.221615A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable geordie
Chaos for Breakfast,nice one thanks = again Mike yer=20 a fine Gent...psst got any of those cool MD clocks? gonna wisper in Mrs = santa's=20 ear....get cliff a MD clock for x-mas......hehe Cheers , = Cliff
 
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Sent: Tuesday, December 09, = 2003 4:52=20 AM
Subject: [kj] geordie

Saw the man in fine fettle.
A quick visit with nick walker.
In between the usual spouts of blah blah fuck fuck Jazz Summers = blah cunt=20 fuck blah blah I managed to acquire the following info:

deathwish asked:
Ask him if he's willing to "leak" out early = mix/instrumental tapes of the Damage Manual material.
Yes, he said he'll let me do it on MD next year

wittz asked
what is the plan regarding the future of = KJ". The=20 much touted mini UK tour for early next year is this still on. Its not = going=20 to be another 6 years is it.
Seems like Big Life now want to put off any more touring until = summer=20 next year.
Apparently they've got badlydrawnboy and tenbenson to look = after!!
Geordie is not a happy bunny about this!!
cue: blah blah fuck fuck Jazz Summers blah cunt fuck blah blah = kill kill=20 die lawyer lawyer...

fluwdot asked
thanks for bringing this up. i = would like=20 for you to ask geordie if he has any demos, outtakes, live gigs, = videos or=20 unreleased songs from 83 - 84 fire dances era that may soon surface on = official release?
He's going to have a good old dig about and see what he can = find.
He said to me last year that he'd like to remix Firedances one = day.
I passed on the GB stuff Todd.

jelbod asked
Nah fuck wob,
nah fuck wob?
sounds like a native american greeting - = "How's things?"=20 "nah fuck wob, mate, nah fuck wob"
il just have tapes n tapes of = geordie=20 taking a crap, fucking whatever
It's a possibility if I wire up the bog for = the next=20 time he comes around.

michele asked
ask him why ted parson didn't make it to = sydney on=20 time and what kind of
corporal punishment he (ted) has gone=20 through
Very sore point, that one. He said "we left it to his missus to = sort the=20 cunt out"

flumeDC asked
-did they have a chance to write any new = material=20 during the tour and what direction is it going in?  When we = visited a few=20 years ago at his place he played us some works-in-progress that were=20 absolutely blinding.   We thought those songs would be what = we heard=20 on the new cd-which is great-but they're not.    Is he=20 stockpiling these gems in the vault for future releases?
A lot of that stuff is still stockpiling in the vault for future=20 releases!
He says he has about seven new songs since the album.
But I don't know if he meant just his stuff or if it includes=20 vocals/bass/drums.
I'm a crap interviewer!!

-has he gotten that acoustic guitar he = described?,=20 its made by Breedlove from Oregon.
No he didn't get it.

Sorry Alex, Gabriella and Christof your questions will have to = wait until=20 next time.

Cliff, I passed on your details.
Geordie and Nick were really impressed with you. What did you do = for=20 them??!

That's all the Malicious Gossip for today, I'll check out the = pants next=20 time alexinnyc!!
cheers,
colesy

--=20
Check out our merchandise at = http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk
... and=20 you can find more Killing Joke at=20 http://www.studio-c.co.uk
------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C3BE11.221615A0-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 9 14:08:14 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?bluce=20ree?=) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:08:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] geordie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031209140814.21677.qmail@web86108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --0-722162585-1070978894=:21226 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Remixed Firedances.... nice, I'll beat him to it tho. Keep watching www.bluceree.co.uk haha! Great info there Colesy. death wish wrote: Sweet! unDamaged Manual AND a remixed Fire Dances! What grand ideas! T. >From: mike coles >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: [kj] geordie >Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:52:38 +0000 > >Saw the man in fine fettle. >A quick visit with nick walker. >In between the usual spouts of blah blah fuck fuck Jazz Summers blah cunt >fuck blah blah I managed to acquire the following info: > >deathwish asked: >Ask him if he's willing to "leak" out early mix/instrumental tapes of the >Damage Manual material. >Yes, he said he'll let me do it on MD next year > >wittz asked >what is the plan regarding the future of KJ". The much touted mini UK tour >for early next year is this still on. Its not going to be another 6 years >is it. >Seems like Big Life now want to put off any more touring until summer next >year. >Apparently they've got badlydrawnboy and tenbenson to look after!! >Geordie is not a happy bunny about this!! >cue: blah blah fuck fuck Jazz Summers blah cunt fuck blah blah kill kill >die lawyer lawyer... > >fluwdot asked >thanks for bringing this up. i would like for you to ask geordie if he has >any demos, outtakes, live gigs, videos or unreleased songs from 83 - 84 >fire dances era that may soon surface on official release? >He's going to have a good old dig about and see what he can find. >He said to me last year that he'd like to remix Firedances one day. >I passed on the GB stuff Todd. > >jelbod asked >Nah fuck wob, >nah fuck wob? >sounds like a native american greeting - "How's things?" "nah fuck wob, >mate, nah fuck wob" >il just have tapes n tapes of geordie taking a crap, fucking whatever >It's a possibility if I wire up the bog for the next time he comes around. > >michele asked >ask him why ted parson didn't make it to sydney on time and what kind of >corporal punishment he (ted) has gone through >Very sore point, that one. He said "we left it to his missus to sort the >cunt out" > >flumeDC asked >-did they have a chance to write any new material during the tour and what >direction is it going in? When we visited a few years ago at his place he >played us some works-in-progress that were absolutely blinding. We >thought those songs would be what we heard on the new cd-which is great-but >they're not. Is he stockpiling these gems in the vault for future >releases? >A lot of that stuff is still stockpiling in the vault for future releases! >He says he has about seven new songs since the album. >But I don't know if he meant just his stuff or if it includes >vocals/bass/drums. >I'm a crap interviewer!! > >-has he gotten that acoustic guitar he described?, its made by Breedlove >from Oregon. >No he didn't get it. > >Sorry Alex, Gabriella and Christof your questions will have to wait until >next time. > >Cliff, I passed on your details. >Geordie and Nick were really impressed with you. What did you do for >them??! > >That's all the Malicious Gossip for today, I'll check out the pants next >time alexinnyc!! >cheers, >colesy > >-- >Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk >... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/features&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering --------------------------------- BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save Ł80 when you order online today. Hurry! Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be. --0-722162585-1070978894=:21226 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Remixed Firedances.... nice, I'll beat him to it tho.  Keep watching www.bluceree.co.uk
 
haha!
 
Great info there Colesy. 

death wish <dwish2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
Sweet! unDamaged Manual AND a remixed Fire Dances! What grand ideas!

T.


>From: mike coles
>Reply-To: gathering@misera.net
>To: gathering@misera.net
>Subject: [kj] geordie
>Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:52:38 +0000
>
>Saw the man in fine fettle.
>A quick visit with nick walker.
>In between the usual spouts of blah blah fuck fuck Jazz Summers blah cunt
>fuck blah blah I managed to acquire the following info:
>
>deathwish asked:
>Ask him if he's willing to "leak" out early mix/instrumental tapes of the
>Damage Manual material.
>Yes, he said he'll let me do it on MD next year
>
>wittz asked
>what is the plan regarding the future of KJ". The much touted mini UK tour
>for early next year is this still on. Its not going to be another 6 years
>is it.
>Seems like Big Life now want to put off any more touring until summer next
>year.
>Apparently they've got badlydrawnboy and tenbenson to look after!!
>Geordie is not a happy bunny about this!!
>cue: blah blah fuck fuck Jazz Summers blah cunt fuck blah blah kill kill
>die lawyer lawyer...
>
>fluwdot asked
>thanks for bringing this up. i would like for you to ask geordie if he has
>any demos, outtakes, live gigs, videos or unreleased songs from 83 - 84
>fire dances era that may soon surface on official release?
>He's going to have a good old dig about and see what he can find.
>He said to me last year that he'd like to remix Firedances one day.
>I passed on the GB stuff Todd.
>
>jelbod asked
>Nah fuck wob,
>nah fuck wob?
>sounds like a native american greeting - "How's things?" "nah fuck wob,
>mate, nah fuck wob"
>il just have tapes n tapes of geordie taking a crap, fucking whatever
>It's a possibility if I wire up the bog for the next time he comes around.
>
>michele asked
>ask him why ted parson didn't make it to sydney on time and what kind of
>corporal punishment he (ted) has gone through
>Very sore point, that one. He said "we left it to his missus to sort the
>cunt out"
>
>flumeDC asked
>-did they have a chance to write any new material during the tour and what
>direction is it going in? When we visited a few years ago at his place he
>played us some works-in-progress that were absolutely blinding. We
>thought those songs would be what we heard on the new cd-which is great-but
>they're not. Is he stockpiling these gems in the vault for future
>releases?
>A lot of that stuff is still stockpiling in the vault for future releases!
>He says he has about seven new songs since the album.
>But I don't know if he meant just his stuff or if it includes
>vocals/bass/drums.
>I'm a crap interviewer!!
>
>-has he gotten that acoustic guitar he described?, its made by Breedlove
>from Oregon.
>No he didn't get it.
>
>Sorry Alex, Gabriella and Christof your questions will have to wait until
>next time.
>
>Cliff, I passed on your details.
>Geordie and Nick were really impressed with you. What did you do for
>them??!
>
>That's all the Malicious Gossip for today, I'll check out the pants next
>time alexinnyc!!
>cheers,
>colesy
>
>--
>Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk
>... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk

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BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save Ł80 when you order online today. Hurry! Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be. --0-722162585-1070978894=:21226-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 9 14:15:23 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?bluce=20ree?=) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:15:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] O/T I am a sinner In-Reply-To: <005301c3bce7$be416590$fc487ad5@EmmaJane> Message-ID: <20031209141523.11941.qmail@web86102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --0-1447312613-1070979323=:11412 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit miles rhyming hunt as they used to call him. dude, it can happen to anyone. don't feel too bad. haha Brian Whitehead wrote: Forgive me for I have sined. I fell into the sinical Miles hunt trap and went to see the Wonderstuff in Manchester on Friday night. You see he wheels out the Wonderstuff when he's a bit skint. Sorry about the language but what a efin waste of 60 quid for two of us. Twice the price of a KJ gig and 1 millionth of the entertainment. That Miles Hunt is the most arrogant self centered piece of sh** on this planet. My humble apologies I will not stray again. Brian. --------------------------------- BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save Ł80 when you order online today. Hurry! Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be. --0-1447312613-1070979323=:11412 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
miles rhyming hunt as they used to call him.
 
dude, it can happen to anyone.  don't feel too bad.  haha

Brian Whitehead <wittz@btinternet.com> wrote:
Forgive me for I have sined.
 
I fell into the sinical Miles hunt trap and went to see the Wonderstuff in Manchester on Friday night. You see he wheels out the Wonderstuff when he's a bit skint.
Sorry about the language but what a efin waste of 60 quid for two of us. Twice the price of a KJ gig and 1 millionth of the entertainment. That Miles Hunt is the most arrogant self centered piece of sh** on this planet.
 
My humble apologies I will not stray again.
 
Brian. 

BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save Ł80 when you order online today. Hurry! Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be. --0-1447312613-1070979323=:11412-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 9 15:06:32 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 10:06:32 -0500 Subject: [kj] chaos for breakfast... Message-ID: <200312091506.hB9F5qd0009906@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> I love it and I'll have two, please. Alex in NYC ---------- >From: mike coles >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: [kj] chaos for breakfast... >Date: Tue, Dec 9, 2003, 3:59 AM > >...that's my provisional title for the CD box set. >what thinkest though, gatherers? >And you all know what song it's from, don't you? >cheers, >colesy >-- >Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk >... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 9 17:21:40 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 12:21:40 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT- the end Message-ID: <3FD5BE54.24161.18258EB@localhost> --Alt-Boundary-30246.25319659 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body hoekay, mars is laughing http://members.cox.net/impunity/endofworld.swf --Alt-Boundary-30246.25319659 Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body
hoekay, mars is laughing

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--Alt-Boundary-30246.25319659-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 9 17:21:51 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jiri) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 09:21:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] chaos for breakfast... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031209172151.38913.qmail@web80504.mail.yahoo.com> meTALLic SOUND! (ound>>ound>>ound)...me likey...makes me long for this breakfast. --- mike coles wrote: > ...that's my provisional title for the CD box set. > what thinkest though, gatherers? > And you all know what song it's from, don't you? > cheers, > colesy > -- > Check out our merchandise at > http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk > ... and you can find more Killing Joke at > http://www.studio-c.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 9 22:21:53 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 17:21:53 -0500 Subject: [kj] semi ot- round trip to manchester $279 Message-ID: <3FD604B1.26583.2953FF6@localhost> --Alt-Boundary-208.43335671 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body for US gatherers only, at the following site one can get a round trip flight to manchester for $279 from many major airports in the US but only until 3am this morning! i believe it can be scheduled anytime (subject to seat availability) but purchases must be made now. anyway, may be handy in case one wants to see the next manchester joke gig. go here and click 9 on the calendar: http://campaign.scandinavian.net/christmas2003/us/# --Alt-Boundary-208.43335671 Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body
for US gatherers only, at the following site one can get a round trip flight to manchester for $279 from many major airports in the US but only until 3am this morning! i believe it can be scheduled anytime (subject to seat availability) but purchases must be made now. anyway, may be handy in case one wants to see the next manchester joke gig. go here and click 9 on
the calendar:

http://campaign.scandinavian.net/christmas2003/us/#
--Alt-Boundary-208.43335671-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 9 17:55:05 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Djehuti111) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 09:55:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] chaos for breakfast... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031209175505.82962.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com> --- mike coles wrote: > ...that's my provisional title for the CD box set. > what thinkest though, gatherers? I'd like mine scrambled please. > And you all know what song it's from, don't you? The Mathematics of Chaos for Breakfast? ;) ~Aleph > cheers, > colesy > -- > Check out our merchandise at > http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk > ... and you can find more Killing Joke at > http://www.studio-c.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ===== "The scene was wild and somewhat sinister. The darkness, the palms, the mountainous background, the silent lake below, the impenetrable canopy of space, studded with secretive and significant stars, formed a stupendous setting for the savage noise and blaze of the ceremony." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 9 17:21:51 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jiri) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 09:21:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] chaos for breakfast... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031209172151.38913.qmail@web80504.mail.yahoo.com> meTALLic SOUND! (ound>>ound>>ound)...me likey...makes me long for this breakfast. --- mike coles wrote: > ...that's my provisional title for the CD box set. > what thinkest though, gatherers? > And you all know what song it's from, don't you? > cheers, > colesy > -- > Check out our merchandise at > http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk > ... and you can find more Killing Joke at > http://www.studio-c.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 9 17:33:42 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:33:42 -0000 Subject: [kj] OT- the end Message-ID: <7D368CED82B7A44FAB699FBB41CC92120586431D@i2km02-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3BE7A.96D04DCA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 =09 =09 hoekay, mars is laughing http://members.cox.net/impunity/endofworld.swf=20 =20 Well that would have been good if they hadn't of shown the Japanese flag when they were bombing China. =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3BE7A.96D04DCA Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
 
 

hoekay, mars is=20 laughing

http://members.co= x.net/impunity/endofworld.swf 
 
Well that would = have been=20 good if they hadn't of shown the Japanese flag when they were=20 bombing China.
 
= =00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3BE7A.96D04DCA-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 9 17:27:13 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:27:13 EST Subject: [kj] geordie Message-ID: <1ad.1d62ece5.2d075ff1@aol.com> --part1_1ad.1d62ece5.2d075ff1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 09/12/03 05:54:34 Pacific Standard Time, mike@maliciousdamage.co.uk writes: > jelbod asked > Nah fuck wob, > nah fuck wob? > sounds like a native american greeting - "How's things?" "nah fuck wob, > mate, nah fuck wob" > il just have tapes n tapes of geordie taking a crap, fucking whatever > It's a possibility if I wire up the bog for the next time he comes around. > > > Fuck i didnt actually mean that as a question....Mike....you didnt....did ya? Ah fuck it Geordie on the bog is miles better than all the shit.....(shit...hahahahah....never mind) in the friggin charts innit. In fact it .....Pisses over everything. Time for bed One serious question i would have asked is, would KJ do a warm up/try out of new stuff/fucking pay respect to the faithful gig for The Gathering? Small venue, invitation only, Feast Of Blaze, Dance A dance etc, lets have it, proper shit no bollox, i could go on and normally would. Jellyfuckin needs anuvver fix of a gig again --part1_1ad.1d62ece5.2d075ff1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 09/12/03 05:54:34 Pacific Standard=20= Time, mike@maliciousdamage.co.uk writes:

jelbod asked
Nah fuck wob,
nah fuck wob?
sounds like a native american greeting - "How's things?" "nah fuck wob, mat= e, nah fuck wob"
il just have tapes n tap= es of geordie taking a crap, fucking whatever
It's a possibility if I wire up the bog for the next time he comes around.<= BR>



    Fuck i didnt actually mean that as a question....Mike....= you didnt....did ya?
    Ah fuck it Geordie on the bog is  miles better than=20= all the shit.....(shit...hahahahah....never  mind) in the friggin chart= s innit. In fact it .....Pisses over everything.

   Time for bed

   One serious question i would have asked is, would KJ do a warm=20= up/try out of new stuff/fucking pay respect to the faithful  gig for Th= e Gathering? Small venue, invitation only, Feast Of Blaze, Dance A dance etc= , lets have it, proper shit no bollox, i could go on and normally would.

  Jellyfuckin needs anuvver fix of a gig again --part1_1ad.1d62ece5.2d075ff1_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 9 22:36:28 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mik Raven) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:36:28 -0000 Subject: [kj] geordie References: <1ad.1d62ece5.2d075ff1@aol.com> Message-ID: <00c901c3bea4$e3be0120$0200a8c0@Paulas> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C3BEA4.E2E3CDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fuck! Mike, forgot to get you to ask him to play at mine and Antoni's = 40th bash! :-) Mik ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jelbod@aol.com=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [kj] geordie In a message dated 09/12/03 05:54:34 Pacific Standard Time, = mike@maliciousdamage.co.uk writes: jelbod asked Nah fuck wob, nah fuck wob? sounds like a native american greeting - "How's things?" "nah fuck = wob, mate, nah fuck wob" il just have tapes n tapes of geordie taking a crap, fucking = whatever It's a possibility if I wire up the bog for the next time he comes = around. Fuck i didnt actually mean that as a question....Mike....you = didnt....did ya? Ah fuck it Geordie on the bog is miles better than all the = shit.....(shit...hahahahah....never mind) in the friggin charts innit. = In fact it .....Pisses over everything. Time for bed One serious question i would have asked is, would KJ do a warm = up/try out of new stuff/fucking pay respect to the faithful gig for The = Gathering? Small venue, invitation only, Feast Of Blaze, Dance A dance = etc, lets have it, proper shit no bollox, i could go on and normally = would. Jellyfuckin needs anuvver fix of a gig again ------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C3BEA4.E2E3CDC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Fuck! Mike, forgot to get you to ask = him to play at=20 mine and Antoni's 40th bash! :-)
 
Mik
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jelbod@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, = 2003 5:27=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] geordie

In a message dated 09/12/03 05:54:34 Pacific = Standard Time,=20 mike@maliciousdamage.co.uk= =20 writes:

jelbod asked
Nah fuck wob,
nah fuck wob?
sounds like a native = american=20 greeting - "How's things?" "nah fuck wob, mate, nah fuck=20 wob"
il just have tapes n = tapes of=20 geordie taking a crap, fucking whatever
It's a possibility if I wire up the bog for = the next=20 time he comes = around.




    Fuck=20 i didnt actually mean that as a question....Mike....you didnt....did=20 ya?
    Ah fuck it Geordie on the bog is  miles = better=20 than all the shit.....(shit...hahahahah....never  mind) in the = friggin=20 charts innit. In fact it .....Pisses over = everything.

   Time=20 for bed

   One serious question i would have asked = is, would=20 KJ do a warm up/try out of new stuff/fucking pay respect to the = faithful =20 gig for The Gathering? Small venue, invitation only, Feast Of Blaze, = Dance A=20 dance etc, lets have it, proper shit no bollox, i could go on and = normally=20 would.

  Jellyfuckin needs anuvver fix of a gig = again=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C3BEA4.E2E3CDC0-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 9 22:57:01 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Antoni Adamiak) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:57:01 -0000 Subject: [kj] geordie & tonight's football References: <1ad.1d62ece5.2d075ff1@aol.com> <00c901c3bea4$e3be0120$0200a8c0@Paulas> Message-ID: <002c01c3bea7$c301d940$295c08c3@mydomain.com> Yeah, that would be a gas Mik ... big cheers to the 398 (officially) Chelsea boys who mixed it with the 50,000 Turks in Gelsenkirchen tonight where the mighty Blues slayed Besiktas 2-0 ... coupled with the 93rd minute strike by Sparta Prague means that both the Turks and Lazio are dumped out of the Champions League ... what with the KJ presence now in Prague, I think we should all have Sparta Prague as our second team ... * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mik Raven" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [kj] geordie Fuck! Mike, forgot to get you to ask him to play at mine and Antoni's 40th bash! :-) Mik ----- Original Message ----- From: Jelbod@aol.com To: gathering@misera.net Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [kj] geordie In a message dated 09/12/03 05:54:34 Pacific Standard Time, mike@maliciousdamage.co.uk writes: jelbod asked Nah fuck wob, nah fuck wob? sounds like a native american greeting - "How's things?" "nah fuck wob, mate, nah fuck wob" il just have tapes n tapes of geordie taking a crap, fucking whatever It's a possibility if I wire up the bog for the next time he comes around. Fuck i didnt actually mean that as a question....Mike....you didnt....did ya? Ah fuck it Geordie on the bog is miles better than all the shit.....(shit...hahahahah....never mind) in the friggin charts innit. In fact it .....Pisses over everything. Time for bed One serious question i would have asked is, would KJ do a warm up/try out of new stuff/fucking pay respect to the faithful gig for The Gathering? Small venue, invitation only, Feast Of Blaze, Dance A dance etc, lets have it, proper shit no bollox, i could go on and normally would. Jellyfuckin needs anuvver fix of a gig again From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 10 01:49:26 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mik Raven) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:49:26 -0000 Subject: [kj] Astoria 12 Oct 2003 Videos On Line References: <1ad.1d62ece5.2d075ff1@aol.com> Message-ID: <00a101c3bebf$d8af3d60$0200a8c0@Paulas> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C3BEBF.D7CBE240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just in case anyone other than Ade is interested. http://www.no35.dial.pipex.com/KillingJoke/Astoria03.shtml Mik NOTE: Because there will be an official DVD of this gig, and because = they were not perfect (The Wait was far from - 10 seconds of black = screen), Kings & Queens, The wait and Whiteout have been excluded). = makes it just fit nice on an 80 minute CD! ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C3BEBF.D7CBE240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just in case anyone other than Ade is=20 interested.
 
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Mik
 
NOTE: Because there will be an official = DVD of this=20 gig, and because they were not perfect (The Wait was far from - 10 = seconds of=20 black screen), Kings & Queens, The wait and Whiteout have been = excluded).=20 makes it just fit nice on an 80 minute CD!
------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C3BEBF.D7CBE240-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 10 02:12:32 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:12:32 +1100 Subject: [kj] Astoria 12 Oct 2003 Videos On Line Message-ID: "Whiteout have been excluded" Noooooooo....! Thanks Mik - you're definately the messiah. -S ~Analysis, Paralysis~ "Mik Raven" @misera.net on 10/12/2003 12:49:26 Please respond to gathering@misera.net Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net To: cc: Subject: [kj] Astoria 12 Oct 2003 Videos On Line Just in case anyone other than Ade is interested. http://www.no35.dial.pipex.com/KillingJoke/Astoria03.shtml Mik NOTE: Because there will be an official DVD of this gig, and because they were not perfect (The Wait was far from - 10 seconds of black screen), Kings & Queens, The wait and Whiteout have been excluded). makes it just fit nice on an 80 minute CD! **************************************************************** NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the=20 addressee named above and may contain privileged and=20 confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not=20 disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you=20 received this message in error please notify HIC immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of HIC. **************************************************************** From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 10 02:27:44 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mik Raven) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 02:27:44 -0000 Subject: [kj] Astoria 12 Oct 2003 Videos On Line References: Message-ID: <003601c3bec5$31f3c580$0200a8c0@Paulas> Here you go then Scott, watch it and you'll see why. It gets OK about half way through. http://www.no35.dial.pipex.com/Whiteout.wmv Glad to see that someone other than Ade is paying attention :-) Mik ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 2:12 AM Subject: Re: [kj] Astoria 12 Oct 2003 Videos On Line "Whiteout have been excluded" Noooooooo....! Thanks Mik - you're definately the messiah. -S ~Analysis, Paralysis~ "Mik Raven" @misera.net on 10/12/2003 12:49:26 Please respond to gathering@misera.net Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net To: cc: Subject: [kj] Astoria 12 Oct 2003 Videos On Line Just in case anyone other than Ade is interested. http://www.no35.dial.pipex.com/KillingJoke/Astoria03.shtml Mik NOTE: Because there will be an official DVD of this gig, and because they were not perfect (The Wait was far from - 10 seconds of black screen), Kings & Queens, The wait and Whiteout have been excluded). makes it just fit nice on an 80 minute CD! **************************************************************** NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you received this message in error please notify HIC immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of HIC. **************************************************************** _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 10 03:14:32 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (sade1) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:14:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] geordie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031210031432.87630.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> --- mike coles wrote: > Anybody want me to ask him anything? > Like what happened to the demo tapes from the last album... For Geordie, Jaz, or anyone else that can answer these, 1. What classical composers would Geordie or Jaz 'score' for KJ to play, and what does Gerodie or Jaz think of that kind of reversal of Jaz's usual process? 2. Why did KJ, during the last tour, avoid completely the entire Extremities CD? 'Tis criminal. 3. Would they consider playing the top five songs that fans could determine thru an e-poll? maybe fielding some questions also. 4. Will they be touring the US once more, as has been rumored? 5. Why did the promotion for the last tour(seem) so scant at best, but mostly, non-existent? 6. Did they have any say as to the opening bands? Amen wasnt 'up to snuff'. 7. What was Youth's total invovement in the D&RShow? 8. Have Geordie or Jaz ever considered any unusual/unexpected collaborations, such as with Peter Murphy, Ian McCullough, Ben Watkins, Underworld or Banco d. Gaia, Carlos Vives, others? 9. Could KJ go over whatever they were ranting on about during the shows, because i couldn't find one person who understood A WORD of what was said between songs. 10.... 11. Would Geordie, Rave or Jaz ever consider scoring/composing for film? If Elfman, Mothersbaugh, diStefano and others can get away with it... Saul __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 10 10:47:04 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gabriella_Wing=E5rdh?=) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:47:04 +0100 Subject: [kj] I must be bored spending time clearing out my mailbox and noticing stuff like this... References: <009e01c3b658$206d09e0$e38d70d1@antifrz> Message-ID: <009701c3bf0a$f35555a0$030c43d5@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01C3BF13.54DCB4A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ... and getting the thought: were the "of =B4s" in the posts below = misspelled "ov" on purpose? Just reminded me of the Temple ov Psychic = Youth and the old heretic Genesis P - Orridge, that=B4s all... Cheers, Gabriella ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Cliff and Kara Livingston=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Cc: Jester=20 Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 10:06 AM Subject: [kj] Killing Joke/Chat live tomarrow 9:13 NZ time in K-J.com = Chatroom http://www.killing-joke.com Hello Here's a word from Raven Jaz & Geordie. Be in Killing-Joke.com Chatroom 9:13 New Zealand time ! 04:11:41 depraven enters this room 04:12:49 [depraven] hello bastards,r a v e n,jaz & geordie here, 04:13:42 [depraven] today the 3 ov us have been walking in paradise = collecting the goods ofthe land. freshly hunted wild boar,green lipped = snapper ,muscles & pipis 04:14:28 [depraven] and a veritable feast 2 follow.recharging the = batteries 04:14:47 [depraven] here in EdEn 04:15:08 [depraven] for the 'hidden' kj work ov the next 3 mnths 04:16:04 [depraven] we are prepared to discuss the nature of some ov = this work 24 hours from now at 9:13 NZ time 04:16:56 [depraven] don't b late gatherers 04:17:29 [depraven] did we dream it? respect to cliff-edge/face 04:17:54 depraven exits from this room ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01C3BF13.54DCB4A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
... and getting the thought: were the = "of =B4s" in=20 the posts below misspelled "ov" on purpose? Just reminded me of the = Temple ov=20 Psychic Youth and the old heretic Genesis P - Orridge, that=B4s=20 all...
 
Cheers, Gabriella
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Cliff = and Kara=20 Livingston
Cc: Jester
Sent: Saturday, November 29, = 2003 10:06=20 AM
Subject: [kj] Killing Joke/Chat = live=20 tomarrow 9:13 NZ time in K-J.com Chatroom

http://www.killing-joke.com

Hello Here's a word = from Raven Jaz=20 & Geordie.

Be in = Killing-Joke.com Chatroom=20 9:13 New Zealand time !

 

04:11:41 depraven=20 enters this room

04:12:49 [depraven] hello bastards,r a v e = n,jaz &=20 geordie here,

04:13:42 [depraven] today the 3 ov us have been = walking in=20 paradise collecting the goods ofthe land. freshly hunted wild = boar,green=20 lipped snapper ,muscles & pipis

04:14:28 [depraven] and a veritable feast 2=20 follow.recharging the batteries

04:14:47 [depraven] here in EdEn

04:15:08 [depraven] for the 'hidden' kj work ov = the next 3=20 mnths

04:16:04 [depraven] we are prepared to discuss = the nature=20 of some ov this work 24 hours from now at 9:13 NZ time

04:16:56 [depraven] don't b late = gatherers

04:17:29 [depraven] did we dream it? respect to = cliff-edge/face

04:17:54 depraven=20 exits from this = room

------=_NextPart_000_0094_01C3BF13.54DCB4A0-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 10 10:45:46 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Cliff and Kara Livingston) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:45:46 -0900 Subject: [kj] I must be bored spending time clearing out my mailbox and noticing stuff like this... References: <009e01c3b658$206d09e0$e38d70d1@antifrz> <009701c3bf0a$f35555a0$030c43d5@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <003101c3bf0a$c5a1cf80$8c8e70d1@antifrz> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C3BEBF.54E17AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yeah yeah yeah, come in for a chat right now ..why don't you dear's. http://www.killing-joke.com Cliff Bluce,Pavel,Strimro ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gabriella Wing=E5rdh=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:47 AM Subject: Re: [kj] I must be bored spending time clearing out my = mailbox and noticing stuff like this... ... and getting the thought: were the "of =B4s" in the posts below = misspelled "ov" on purpose? Just reminded me of the Temple ov Psychic = Youth and the old heretic Genesis P - Orridge, that=B4s all... Cheers, Gabriella ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Cliff and Kara Livingston=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Cc: Jester=20 Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 10:06 AM Subject: [kj] Killing Joke/Chat live tomarrow 9:13 NZ time in = K-J.com Chatroom http://www.killing-joke.com Hello Here's a word from Raven Jaz & Geordie. Be in Killing-Joke.com Chatroom 9:13 New Zealand time ! 04:11:41 depraven enters this room 04:12:49 [depraven] hello bastards,r a v e n,jaz & geordie here, 04:13:42 [depraven] today the 3 ov us have been walking in paradise = collecting the goods ofthe land. freshly hunted wild boar,green lipped = snapper ,muscles & pipis 04:14:28 [depraven] and a veritable feast 2 follow.recharging the = batteries 04:14:47 [depraven] here in EdEn 04:15:08 [depraven] for the 'hidden' kj work ov the next 3 mnths 04:16:04 [depraven] we are prepared to discuss the nature of some ov = this work 24 hours from now at 9:13 NZ time 04:16:56 [depraven] don't b late gatherers 04:17:29 [depraven] did we dream it? respect to cliff-edge/face 04:17:54 depraven exits from this room ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C3BEBF.54E17AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
yeah yeah yeah,
come in for a chat right now ..why = don't you=20 dear's.
http://www.killing-joke.com
Cliff Bluce,Pavel,Strimro
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gabriella Wing=E5rdh =
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, = 2003 1:47=20 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] I must be = bored=20 spending time clearing out my mailbox and noticing stuff like = this...

... and getting the thought: were the = "of =B4s" in=20 the posts below misspelled "ov" on purpose? Just reminded me of the = Temple ov=20 Psychic Youth and the old heretic Genesis P - Orridge, that=B4s=20 all...
 
Cheers, Gabriella
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Cliff and Kara=20 Livingston
Cc: Jester
Sent: Saturday, November 29, = 2003 10:06=20 AM
Subject: [kj] Killing = Joke/Chat live=20 tomarrow 9:13 NZ time in K-J.com Chatroom

http://www.killing-joke.com

Hello Here's a word = from Raven=20 Jaz & Geordie.

Be in = Killing-Joke.com Chatroom=20 9:13 New Zealand time !

 

04:11:41 depraven=20 enters this room

04:12:49 [depraven] hello bastards,r a v e = n,jaz &=20 geordie here,

04:13:42 [depraven] today the 3 ov us have = been walking=20 in paradise collecting the goods ofthe land. freshly hunted wild = boar,green=20 lipped snapper ,muscles & pipis

04:14:28 [depraven] and a veritable feast 2=20 follow.recharging the batteries

04:14:47 [depraven] here in EdEn

04:15:08 [depraven] for the 'hidden' kj work = ov the next=20 3 mnths

04:16:04 [depraven] we are prepared to = discuss the nature=20 of some ov this work 24 hours from now at 9:13 NZ time

04:16:56 [depraven] don't b late = gatherers

04:17:29 [depraven] did we dream it? respect = to=20 cliff-edge/face

04:17:54 depraven=20 exits from this=20 room

------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C3BEBF.54E17AC0-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 10 10:58:25 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Phillipps Marc) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:58:25 -0000 Subject: [kj] I must be bored spending time clearing out my mailbox an d noticing stuff like this... Message-ID: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1BB@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> >come in for a chat right now ..why don't you dear's. The firewall blocks all chatty things :o( > -----Original Message----- > From: Cliff and Kara Livingston [SMTP:antifrz@alaska.net] > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:46 AM > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] I must be bored spending time clearing out my > mailbox and noticing stuff like this... >=20 > yeah yeah yeah, > come in for a chat right now ..why don't you dear's. > > Cliff Bluce,Pavel,Strimro >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Gabriella Wing=E5rdh =20 > To: gathering@misera.net =20 > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:47 AM > Subject: Re: [kj] I must be bored spending time clearing out my = mailbox > and noticing stuff like this... >=20 > ... and getting the thought: were the "of =B4s" in the posts below > misspelled "ov" on purpose? Just reminded me of the Temple ov Psychic > Youth and the old heretic Genesis P - Orridge, that=B4s all... > =20 > Cheers, Gabriella >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Cliff and Kara Livingston =20 > To: gathering@misera.net =20 > Cc: Jester =20 > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 10:06 AM > Subject: [kj] Killing Joke/Chat live tomarrow 9:13 NZ time in > K-J.com Chatroom >=20 > >=20 > Hello Here's a word from Raven Jaz & Geordie. >=20 > Be in Killing-Joke.com Chatroom 9:13 New Zealand time ! >=20 > =20 >=20 > 04:11:41 depraven enters this room >=20 > 04:12:49 [ depraven > = = nglish&Ver=3DH&U=3DMonk-A&R=3DKilling+Joke+Lobby&T=3D1&D=3D10&N=3D20&ST=3D= 1&NT=3D1&PWD_Has > h=3Dcf79ae6addba60ad018347359bd144d2&First=3D1#>] hello bastards,r a = v e n,jaz > & geordie here, >=20 > 04:13:42 [ depraven > = = nglish&Ver=3DH&U=3DMonk-A&R=3DKilling+Joke+Lobby&T=3D1&D=3D10&N=3D20&ST=3D= 1&NT=3D1&PWD_Has > h=3Dcf79ae6addba60ad018347359bd144d2&First=3D1#>] today the 3 ov us = have been > walking in paradise collecting the goods ofthe land. freshly hunted = wild > boar,green lipped snapper ,muscles & pipis >=20 > 04:14:28 [ depraven > = = nglish&Ver=3DH&U=3DMonk-A&R=3DKilling+Joke+Lobby&T=3D1&D=3D10&N=3D20&ST=3D= 1&NT=3D1&PWD_Has > h=3Dcf79ae6addba60ad018347359bd144d2&First=3D1#>] and a veritable = feast 2 > follow.recharging the batteries >=20 > 04:14:47 [ depraven > = = nglish&Ver=3DH&U=3DMonk-A&R=3DKilling+Joke+Lobby&T=3D1&D=3D10&N=3D20&ST=3D= 1&NT=3D1&PWD_Has > h=3Dcf79ae6addba60ad018347359bd144d2&First=3D1#>] here in EdEn >=20 > 04:15:08 [ depraven > = = nglish&Ver=3DH&U=3DMonk-A&R=3DKilling+Joke+Lobby&T=3D1&D=3D10&N=3D20&ST=3D= 1&NT=3D1&PWD_Has > h=3Dcf79ae6addba60ad018347359bd144d2&First=3D1#>] for the 'hidden' kj = work ov > the next 3 mnths >=20 > 04:16:04 [ depraven > = = nglish&Ver=3DH&U=3DMonk-A&R=3DKilling+Joke+Lobby&T=3D1&D=3D10&N=3D20&ST=3D= 1&NT=3D1&PWD_Has > h=3Dcf79ae6addba60ad018347359bd144d2&First=3D1#>] we are prepared to = discuss > the nature of some ov this work 24 hours from now at 9:13 NZ time >=20 > 04:16:56 [ depraven > = = nglish&Ver=3DH&U=3DMonk-A&R=3DKilling+Joke+Lobby&T=3D1&D=3D10&N=3D20&ST=3D= 1&NT=3D1&PWD_Has > h=3Dcf79ae6addba60ad018347359bd144d2&First=3D1#>] don't b late = gatherers >=20 > 04:17:29 [ depraven > = = nglish&Ver=3DH&U=3DMonk-A&R=3DKilling+Joke+Lobby&T=3D1&D=3D10&N=3D20&ST=3D= 1&NT=3D1&PWD_Has > h=3Dcf79ae6addba60ad018347359bd144d2&First=3D1#>] did we dream it? = respect to > cliff-edge/face >=20 > 04:17:54 depraven exits from this room >=20 >=20 >=20 This communication may contain information that is confidential and = legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). = If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information = within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet = Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 10 10:59:55 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Cliff and Kara Livingston) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:59:55 -0900 Subject: [kj] I must be bored spending time clearing out my mailbox an d noticing stuff like this... References: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1BB@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> Message-ID: <003601c3bf0c$bf252060$8c8e70d1@antifrz> Hi Marc, how's it going,hope yer doing well...wanna make it over the pond sometime this coming year,a gathering it will be,Cheers,yer friend in cold arse alaska,Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillipps Marc" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:58 AM Subject: RE: [kj] I must be bored spending time clearing out my mailbox an d noticing stuff like this... >come in for a chat right now ..why don't you dear's. The firewall blocks all chatty things :o( > -----Original Message----- > From: Cliff and Kara Livingston [SMTP:antifrz@alaska.net] > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:46 AM > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] I must be bored spending time clearing out my > mailbox and noticing stuff like this... > > yeah yeah yeah, > come in for a chat right now ..why don't you dear's. > > Cliff Bluce,Pavel,Strimro > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gabriella Wingĺrdh > To: gathering@misera.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:47 AM > Subject: Re: [kj] I must be bored spending time clearing out my mailbox > and noticing stuff like this... > > ... and getting the thought: were the "of ´s" in the posts below > misspelled "ov" on purpose? Just reminded me of the Temple ov Psychic > Youth and the old heretic Genesis P - Orridge, that´s all... > > Cheers, Gabriella > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cliff and Kara Livingston > To: gathering@misera.net > Cc: Jester > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 10:06 AM > Subject: [kj] Killing Joke/Chat live tomarrow 9:13 NZ time in > K-J.com Chatroom > > > > Hello Here's a word from Raven Jaz & Geordie. > > Be in Killing-Joke.com Chatroom 9:13 New Zealand time ! > > > > 04:11:41 depraven enters this room > > 04:12:49 [ depraven > nglish&Ver=H&U=Monk-A&R=Killing+Joke+Lobby&T=1&D=10&N=20&ST=1&NT=1&PWD_Has > h=cf79ae6addba60ad018347359bd144d2&First=1#>] hello bastards,r a v e n,jaz > & geordie here, > > 04:13:42 [ depraven > nglish&Ver=H&U=Monk-A&R=Killing+Joke+Lobby&T=1&D=10&N=20&ST=1&NT=1&PWD_Has > h=cf79ae6addba60ad018347359bd144d2&First=1#>] today the 3 ov us have been > walking in paradise collecting the goods ofthe land. freshly hunted wild > boar,green lipped snapper ,muscles & pipis > > 04:14:28 [ depraven > nglish&Ver=H&U=Monk-A&R=Killing+Joke+Lobby&T=1&D=10&N=20&ST=1&NT=1&PWD_Has > h=cf79ae6addba60ad018347359bd144d2&First=1#>] and a veritable feast 2 > follow.recharging the batteries > > 04:14:47 [ depraven > nglish&Ver=H&U=Monk-A&R=Killing+Joke+Lobby&T=1&D=10&N=20&ST=1&NT=1&PWD_Has > h=cf79ae6addba60ad018347359bd144d2&First=1#>] here in EdEn > > 04:15:08 [ depraven > nglish&Ver=H&U=Monk-A&R=Killing+Joke+Lobby&T=1&D=10&N=20&ST=1&NT=1&PWD_Has > h=cf79ae6addba60ad018347359bd144d2&First=1#>] for the 'hidden' kj work ov > the next 3 mnths > > 04:16:04 [ depraven > nglish&Ver=H&U=Monk-A&R=Killing+Joke+Lobby&T=1&D=10&N=20&ST=1&NT=1&PWD_Has > h=cf79ae6addba60ad018347359bd144d2&First=1#>] we are prepared to discuss > the nature of some ov this work 24 hours from now at 9:13 NZ time > > 04:16:56 [ depraven > nglish&Ver=H&U=Monk-A&R=Killing+Joke+Lobby&T=1&D=10&N=20&ST=1&NT=1&PWD_Has > h=cf79ae6addba60ad018347359bd144d2&First=1#>] don't b late gatherers > > 04:17:29 [ depraven > nglish&Ver=H&U=Monk-A&R=Killing+Joke+Lobby&T=1&D=10&N=20&ST=1&NT=1&PWD_Has > h=cf79ae6addba60ad018347359bd144d2&First=1#>] did we dream it? respect to > cliff-edge/face > > 04:17:54 depraven exits from this room > > > This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally privileged. 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This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 10 11:10:26 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:10:26 +0000 Subject: [kj] KJ/HB tracks Message-ID: Does anyone have, or know the whereabouts of, any copies of the Killing Joke/Honey Bane/John Lydon studio tracks? cheers, colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 10 11:36:09 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Cliff and Kara Livingston) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 02:36:09 -0900 Subject: [kj] Nick Walker's KJ tour Pic's NEW Message-ID: <004501c3bf11$d48d86e0$8c8e70d1@antifrz> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C3BEC6.5E9793E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.geocities.com/kjtour03/US3 http://www.geocities.com/kjtour03/US4 http://www.geocities.com/kjtour03/US5 More US & Australia tour pic's from KJ's own Nick Walker,check em out. 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http://www.geocities.com/k= jtour03/US4
 
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More US & Australia tour pic's from = KJ's own=20 Nick Walker,check em out.
Cheers,Cliff
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C3BEC6.5E9793E0-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 10 12:32:00 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Arvid Mork) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:32:00 +0000 Subject: [kj] Angor Wat and punkrock.no Message-ID: annyone got the password ??? there is a lot more I would like to hear Arvid Mork (norway) > > All this talk about Norwegian bands brings to mind a band >that >I'm not sure has ever been mentioned on the list.The band is called ANGOR >WAT.I will attach an address to hear and download an entire album from >ANGOR >WAT that came out in 1983.The KILLING JOKE influence on this band is so >strong that it's weird that it came out in 1983.It's like a cross between >KILLING JOKE and old DISORDER(who have lived in Oslo for many years >now).The >drums really stand out to me just like KJ.The album is called "Med Lov Skal >Landet Bygges" To hear or download entire album go to: > > http://www.punkrock.no/Default.asp?q=f >and+bygge> &f=%2FAngor+Wat%2FMed+lov+skal+man++land+bygge > > PS: This website is a little hidden treasure that I'm sure you will all >make use of.I hope you all enjoy this and be prepared to go out to buy a >new >spindle of CDR's cause there is a shitload of "Good" punkrock and hardcore >here.And for all those speaking of TURBONEGRO the past few days,Get your >fix >here -Entire! TURBONEGRO Albums can be downloaded at this website also.BURN >BABY!BURN!(CD's that is) > > >www.punkrock.no/ > > > > >Have Fun Kids, > > >Bill Meissner > > PSS: The KJ Los Angeles show kicked my ass! > > I even scored the set list after the show(almost > > had to fight for it)I'm going to be scanning it and > > sending it to the list soon.What a night! > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail snakker ditt sprĺk! http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/sbox?rru=dasp/lang.asp - Fĺ Hotmail pĺ norsk i dag From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 10 14:58:48 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:58:48 -0500 Subject: [kj] Nick Walker's KJ tour Pic's NEW Message-ID: <200312101458.hBAEwWgt001283@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3153895128_110406_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hahaha...these are great! Thanks Cliff!! Alex in NYC ---------- From: "Cliff and Kara Livingston" To: Subject: [kj] Nick Walker's KJ tour Pic's NEW Date: Wed, Dec 10, 2003, 6:36 AM http://www.geocities.com/kjtour03/US3 http://www.geocities.com/kjtour03/US4 http://www.geocities.com/kjtour03/US5 More US & Australia tour pic's from KJ's own Nick Walker,check em out. Cheers,Cliff --MS_Mac_OE_3153895128_110406_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] Nick Walker's KJ tour Pic's NEW
Hahaha...these are great! Thanks Cliff!!

Alex in NYC



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From: "Cliff and Kara Livingston" <antifrz@alaska.net>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: [kj] Nick Walker's KJ tour Pic's NEW
Date: Wed, Dec 10, 2003, 6:36 AM


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--MS_Mac_OE_3153895128_110406_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 10 15:43:41 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?bluce=20ree?=) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:43:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] geordie & tonight's football In-Reply-To: <002c01c3bea7$c301d940$295c08c3@mydomain.com> Message-ID: <20031210154341.58491.qmail@web86110.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --0-1895225120-1071071021=:57919 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit eurgh! When Chelsea get knocked out I hope it's in a spectacular fashion! or a narrow but incredibly unfair fashion for that matter. As long as it's painful. :) Antoni Adamiak wrote: Yeah, that would be a gas Mik ... big cheers to the 398 (officially) Chelsea boys who mixed it with the 50,000 Turks in Gelsenkirchen tonight where the mighty Blues slayed Besiktas 2-0 ... coupled with the 93rd minute strike by Sparta Prague means that both the Turks and Lazio are dumped out of the Champions League ... what with the KJ presence now in Prague, I think we should all have Sparta Prague as our second team ... * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mik Raven" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [kj] geordie Fuck! Mike, forgot to get you to ask him to play at mine and Antoni's 40th bash! :-) Mik ----- Original Message ----- From: Jelbod@aol.com To: gathering@misera.net Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [kj] geordie In a message dated 09/12/03 05:54:34 Pacific Standard Time, mike@maliciousdamage.co.uk writes: jelbod asked Nah fuck wob, nah fuck wob? sounds like a native american greeting - "How's things?" "nah fuck wob, mate, nah fuck wob" il just have tapes n tapes of geordie taking a crap, fucking whatever It's a possibility if I wire up the bog for the next time he comes around. Fuck i didnt actually mean that as a question....Mike....you didnt....did ya? Ah fuck it Geordie on the bog is miles better than all the shit.....(shit...hahahahah....never mind) in the friggin charts innit. In fact it .....Pisses over everything. Time for bed One serious question i would have asked is, would KJ do a warm up/try out of new stuff/fucking pay respect to the faithful gig for The Gathering? Small venue, invitation only, Feast Of Blaze, Dance A dance etc, lets have it, proper shit no bollox, i could go on and normally would. Jellyfuckin needs anuvver fix of a gig again _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gatheringl --------------------------------- BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save Ł80 when you order online today. Hurry! Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be. --0-1895225120-1071071021=:57919 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
eurgh!  When Chelsea get knocked out I hope it's in a spectacular fashion!  or a narrow but incredibly unfair fashion for that matter.  As long as it's painful.
 
:)

Antoni Adamiak <antoni@clara.net> wrote:
Yeah, that would be a gas Mik ... big cheers to the 398 (officially) Chelsea
boys who mixed it with the 50,000 Turks in Gelsenkirchen tonight where the
mighty Blues slayed Besiktas 2-0 ... coupled with the 93rd minute strike by
Sparta Prague means that both the Turks and Lazio are dumped out of the
Champions League ... what with the KJ presence now in Prague, I think we
should all have Sparta Prague as our second team ...

* http://home.clara.net/antoni/ *

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mik Raven"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] geordie


Fuck! Mike, forgot to get you to ask him to play at mine and Antoni's 40th
bash! :-)

Mik
----- Original Message -----
From: Jelbod@aol.com
To: gathering@misera.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] geordie


In a message dated 09/12/03 05:54:34 Pacific Standard Time,
mike@maliciousdamage.co.uk writes:


jelbod asked
Nah fuck wob,
nah fuck wob?
sounds like a native american greeting - "How's things?" "nah fuck wob,
mate, nah fuck wob"
il just have tapes n tapes of geordie taking a crap, fucking whatever
It's a possibility if I wire up the bog for the next time he comes
around.





Fuck i didnt actually mean that as a question....Mike....you
didnt....did ya?
Ah fuck it Geordie on the bog is miles better than all the
shit.....(shit...hahahahah....never mind) in the friggin charts innit. In
fact it .....Pisses over everything.

Time for bed

One serious question i would have asked is, would KJ do a warm up/try
out of new stuff/fucking pay respect to the faithful gig for The Gathering?
Small venue, invitation only, Feast Of Blaze, Dance A dance etc, lets have
it, proper shit no bollox, i could go on and normally would.

Jellyfuckin needs anuvver fix of a gig again

_______________________________________________
Gathering mailing list
Gathering@misera.net
http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
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BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save Ł80 when you order online today. Hurry! Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be. --0-1895225120-1071071021=:57919-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 10 16:03:29 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:03:29 EST Subject: [kj] geordie & tonight's football Message-ID: <86.fac223.2d089dd1@aol.com> --part1_86.fac223.2d089dd1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/12/03 07:49:49 Pacific Standard Time, bluceree2003@yahoo.co.uk writes: > When Chelsea get knocked out I hope it's in a spectacular fashion! or a > narrow but incredibly unfair fashion for that matter. As long as it's painful. > > Anger leads to bitterness....bitterness leads to cancer.....cancer leads to death! Jelsea --part1_86.fac223.2d089dd1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 10/12/03 07:49:49 Pacific Standard=20= Time, bluceree2003@yahoo.co.uk writes:

When Chelsea get knocked out I=20= hope it's in a spectacular fashion!  or a narrow but incredibly unfair=20= fashion for that matter.  As long as it's painful.
 


  Anger leads to bitterness....bitterness leads to cancer.....cancer le= ads to death!


   Jelsea --part1_86.fac223.2d089dd1_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 10 16:05:30 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:05:30 EST Subject: [kj] I must be bored spending time clearing out my mailbox and noticing s... Message-ID: <10.39677119.2d089e4a@aol.com> --part1_10.39677119.2d089e4a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 10/12/03 02:48:47 Pacific Standard Time,=20 gabriella.wingrdh@telia.com writes: > ... and getting the thought: were the "of =B4s" in the posts below misspel= led=20 > "ov" on purpose? You are not English and more particuarly not from London are you, i could= =20 be wrong, if you are both exscuse me, but ya aint from sarf lundun innit. Jel ov --part1_10.39677119.2d089e4a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 10/12/03 02:48:47 Pacific Standard=20= Time, gabriella.wingrdh@telia.com writes:

... and getting the thought: we= re the "of =B4s" in the posts below misspelled "ov" on purpose?
=

   You are not English and more particuarly not from London are yo= u, i could be wrong, if you are both exscuse me, but ya aint from sarf lundu= n innit.


   Jel ov --part1_10.39677119.2d089e4a_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 10 16:17:16 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:17:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] I must be bored spending time clearing out my mailbox and noticing s... Message-ID: <3373775.1071073036394.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> we're big on spelling sarf ov the river, doncha know neilfackinperry > from: Jelbod@aol.com > date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:05:30 > to: gathering@misera.net > subject: Re: [kj] I must be bored spending time clearing out my mailbox and noticing s... > > In a message dated 10/12/03 02:48:47 Pacific Standard Time, > gabriella.wingrdh@telia.com writes: > > > ... and getting the thought: were the "of ?s" in the posts below misspelled > > "ov" on purpose? > > You are not English and more particuarly not from London are you, i could > be wrong, if you are both exscuse me, but ya aint from sarf lundun innit. > > > Jel ov -- 'Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum' -- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 10 16:39:51 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gabriella_Wing=E5rdh?=) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:39:51 +0100 Subject: [kj] I must be bored spending time clearing out my mailbox and noticing s... References: <10.39677119.2d089e4a@aol.com> Message-ID: <000e01c3bf3c$3bdbcf30$030c43d5@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C3BF44.9D5E7340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nope. I=B4m from the Mythological Land ov the Swedish Chef. Chicken inna = basket. Chop. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jelbod@aol.com=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [kj] I must be bored spending time clearing out my = mailbox and noticing s... In a message dated 10/12/03 02:48:47 Pacific Standard Time, = gabriella.wingrdh@telia.com writes: ... and getting the thought: were the "of =B4s" in the posts below = misspelled "ov" on purpose? You are not English and more particuarly not from London are you, i = could be wrong, if you are both exscuse me, but ya aint from sarf lundun = innit. Jel ov ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C3BF44.9D5E7340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nope. I=B4m from the Mythological Land = ov the Swedish=20 Chef. Chicken inna basket. Chop.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jelbod@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, = 2003 5:05=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] I must be = bored=20 spending time clearing out my mailbox and noticing s...

In a message dated 10/12/03 02:48:47 Pacific = Standard Time,=20 gabriella.wingrdh@telia.com=20 writes:

... and getting the thought: were the "of =B4s" in the = posts below=20 misspelled "ov" on purpose?

   You are = not=20 English and more particuarly not from London are you, i could be = wrong, if you=20 are both exscuse me, but ya aint from sarf lundun=20 innit.


   Jel ov = ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C3BF44.9D5E7340-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 10 16:40:42 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gabriella_Wing=E5rdh?=) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:40:42 +0100 Subject: [kj] I must be bored spending time clearing out my mailbox and noticing s... References: <3373775.1071073036394.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <001401c3bf3c$5a3c2560$030c43d5@oemcomputer> =B4kay =B4kay :-) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [kj] I must be bored spending time clearing out my mailbox = and noticing s... > we're big on spelling sarf ov the river, doncha know >=20 > neilfackinperry >=20 > > from: Jelbod@aol.com > > date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:05:30 > > to: gathering@misera.net > > subject: Re: [kj] I must be bored spending time clearing out my = mailbox and noticing s... > >=20 > > In a message dated 10/12/03 02:48:47 Pacific Standard Time,=20 > > gabriella.wingrdh@telia.com writes: > >=20 > > > ... and getting the thought: were the "of ?s" in the posts below = misspelled=20 > > > "ov" on purpose? > >=20 > > You are not English and more particuarly not from London are you, = i could=20 > > be wrong, if you are both exscuse me, but ya aint from sarf lundun = innit. > >=20 > >=20 > > Jel ov >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- 'Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum' -- > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 10 16:40:42 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gabriella_Wing=E5rdh?=) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:40:42 +0100 Subject: [kj] I must be bored spending time clearing out my mailbox and noticing s... References: <3373775.1071073036394.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <001401c3bf3c$5a3c2560$030c43d5@oemcomputer> =B4kay =B4kay :-) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [kj] I must be bored spending time clearing out my mailbox = and noticing s... > we're big on spelling sarf ov the river, doncha know >=20 > neilfackinperry >=20 > > from: Jelbod@aol.com > > date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:05:30 > > to: gathering@misera.net > > subject: Re: [kj] I must be bored spending time clearing out my = mailbox and noticing s... > >=20 > > In a message dated 10/12/03 02:48:47 Pacific Standard Time,=20 > > gabriella.wingrdh@telia.com writes: > >=20 > > > ... and getting the thought: were the "of ?s" in the posts below = misspelled=20 > > > "ov" on purpose? > >=20 > > You are not English and more particuarly not from London are you, = i could=20 > > be wrong, if you are both exscuse me, but ya aint from sarf lundun = innit. > >=20 > >=20 > > Jel ov >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- 'Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum' -- > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 10 19:55:49 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Marie Lecocq) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:55:49 +0100 Subject: [kj] Faust & Devils References: <20031207201934Z214194-5902+7361@mail.centrum.cz> Message-ID: <006901c3bf57$a51ce4a0$8294efd4@p4u07698> Hi Nika What is the exhibition about exactly? Is it the KJ artwork exhibition Jaz talked about? Cheers, Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nika" To: Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [kj] Faust & Devils > From what I understand its a permanent gallery, though it will be > open only at certain times. > Nika in Prague > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: Gabriella Wingĺrdh > > Komu: > > CC: > > Datum: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 18:17:34 +0100 > > Předmět: Re: [kj] Faust & Devils > > > > For how long will the Faust & Devils exhibit be? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------------------------------- > > The pun is mightier than the sword > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > -------------------- > Eurotel Data Nonstop - neomezený přístup na internet za 649,- (s DPH 681,45) Kč měsíčně! http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.eurotel.cz/site/cz/servicesA ndTariffs/specialOffer.html?list=34995 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 10 18:41:13 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Tim Bucknall) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:41:13 -0000 Subject: [kj] KJ/HB tracks References: Message-ID: <00d101c3bf4e$1a7e8780$fb368351@mycomputer> that exists! JL & KJ!!! excuse me i need tranquilisers! ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike coles" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:10 AM Subject: [kj] KJ/HB tracks > Does anyone have, or know the whereabouts of, any copies of the > Killing Joke/Honey Bane/John Lydon studio tracks? > cheers, > colesy > -- > Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk > ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 10 21:00:03 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:00:03 -0500 Subject: [kj] Portland Pics Message-ID: <20031210210003.HLYZ15743.smtp1.fuse.net@smtp.fuse.net> Thanks to Jeff Sturges and his pal with the camera: http://www.an-irrational-domain.net/images/band2003/portland/portland1.html From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 10 22:21:38 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:21:38 -0500 Subject: [kj] Portland Pics Message-ID: <200312102221.hBAMLPgt019261@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Wow, these are great! Cheers, Ani. BTW: you recording of the Cat Club show is in the works. I haven't forgotten about you. Alex in NYC ---------- >From: >To: >Subject: [kj] Portland Pics >Date: Wed, Dec 10, 2003, 4:00 PM > >Thanks to Jeff Sturges and his pal with the camera: > >http://www.an-irrational-domain.net/images/band2003/portland/portland1.html > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 10 16:47:08 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Ford Prefect) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:47:08 -0000 Subject: [kj] I must be bored spending time clearing out my mailbox and noticing s... References: <10.39677119.2d089e4a@aol.com> <000e01c3bf3c$3bdbcf30$030c43d5@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000b01c3bf3d$414977f0$95602ed9@sn7212787026> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3BF3D.402A2540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nope. I=B4m from the Mythological Land ov the Swedish Chef. Chicken = inna basket. Chop.Chop ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jelbod@aol.com=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [kj] I must be bored spending time clearing out my = mailbox and noticing s... In a message dated 10/12/03 02:48:47 Pacific Standard Time, = gabriella.wingrdh@telia.com writes: ... and getting the thought: were the "of =B4s" in the posts below = misspelled "ov" on purpose? You are not English and more particuarly not from London are you, = i could be wrong, if you are both exscuse me, but ya aint from sarf = lundun innit. 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   = You are=20 not English and more particuarly not from London are you, i could be = wrong,=20 if you are both exscuse me, but ya aint from sarf lundun=20 innit.


   Jel ov=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3BF3D.402A2540-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 10 23:31:42 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:31:42 -0500 Subject: [kj] Unlikely Joke Sighting Message-ID: <200312102331.hBANVTgt003555@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Walking up Fifth Avenue today in a vain attempt at X-mas shopping, I happened to look down as I was crossing 29th street, when what do I see all covered in mud, slush and ice, badly crumpled ontop of a mound of dirty snow? Why a promo sticker of the new Kiling Joke album (red crusty clown on yellow backdrop). Picked it up, but found it in a state of such disrepair that it wasn't worth holding onto. Propped it up on a phone booth and walked on. Wonder who discarded it. Alex in NYC From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 10 23:51:52 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gabriella_Wing=E5rdh?=) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:51:52 +0100 Subject: [kj] I must be bored spending time clearing out my mailbox and noticing s... References: <10.39677119.2d089e4a@aol.com> <000e01c3bf3c$3bdbcf30$030c43d5@oemcomputer> <000b01c3bf3d$414977f0$95602ed9@sn7212787026> Message-ID: <000d01c3bf78$95e0e330$030c43d5@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3BF80.F772F090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I knew it! It bothered me when I had already pressed "send" that I = didn=B4t include the last Chop... :-D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ford Prefect=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [kj] I must be bored spending time clearing out my = mailbox and noticing s... =20 Nope. I=B4m from the Mythological Land ov the Swedish Chef. Chicken = inna basket. Chop.Chop ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jelbod@aol.com=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [kj] I must be bored spending time clearing out my = mailbox and noticing s... In a message dated 10/12/03 02:48:47 Pacific Standard Time, = gabriella.wingrdh@telia.com writes: ... and getting the thought: were the "of =B4s" in the posts = below misspelled "ov" on purpose? You are not English and more particuarly not from London are = you, i could be wrong, if you are both exscuse me, but ya aint from sarf = lundun innit. Jel ov ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3BF80.F772F090 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I knew it! It bothered = me when I=20 had already pressed "send" that I didn=B4t include the last Chop...=20 :-D
Nope. I=B4m from the Mythological = Land ov the=20 Swedish Chef. Chicken inna basket. Chop.Chop
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, December 10, = 2003 5:05=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] I must be = bored=20 spending time clearing out my mailbox and noticing s...

In a message dated 10/12/03 02:48:47 Pacific = Standard=20 Time, gabriella.wingrdh@telia.com=20 writes:

... and getting the thought: were the "of =B4s" in the = posts=20 below misspelled "ov" on purpose?
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Sent: Wednesday, December 10, = 2003 5:47=20 PM
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Nope. I=B4m from the Mythological = Land ov the=20 Swedish Chef. Chicken inna basket. Chop.Chop
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Jelbod@aol.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December = 10, 2003=20 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] I must be = bored=20 spending time clearing out my mailbox and noticing s...

In a message dated 10/12/03 02:48:47 Pacific = Standard=20 Time, gabriella.wingrdh@telia.com=20 writes:

... and getting the thought: were the "of =B4s" in = the posts=20 below misspelled "ov" on = purpose?


   You are=20 not English and more particuarly not from London are you, i could = be=20 wrong, if you are both exscuse me, but ya aint from sarf lundun=20 innit.


   Jel ov=20
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3BF80.F772F090-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 10 23:52:40 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Thomas Kennedy) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:52:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] Nick Walker's KJ tour Pic's NEW In-Reply-To: <004501c3bf11$d48d86e0$8c8e70d1@antifrz> Message-ID: <20031210235240.66722.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> --0-31263226-1071100360=:65960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii those were awesome! T. Cliff and Kara Livingston wrote: http://www.geocities.com/kjtour03/US3 http://www.geocities.com/kjtour03/US4 http://www.geocities.com/kjtour03/US5 More US & Australia tour pic's from KJ's own Nick Walker,check em out. Cheers,Cliff --0-31263226-1071100360=:65960 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
those were awesome!
 
T.

Cliff and Kara Livingston <antifrz@alaska.net> wrote:
 
 
 
 
More US & Australia tour pic's from KJ's own Nick Walker,check em out.
Cheers,Cliff
 
 
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I missed many things around here.... but I can't let this pass: happy b'day Joe!, hope you spent a great time.. 28 days without a single cigar, that's something man, I tried to quit about six months ago and the best I got was a week without smoking... then I went to a bar with some friends (most of them smoke) and I got the damn thing again. I don't smoke like i used to though. Not more than 4 or 5 a day, but I'm going to try the quit deal again in the near future (but still don't ask me when ;).... I got 32 last week (december 3th), so now you know what it feels like :) Happy Birthday kid!! Javier mexcity -- --------- Original Message --------- DATE: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 15:05:06 From: Jester To: Gathering Cc: >Hey, just wanted to say thanks to everyone that wished me a happy b day. > >Just relaxed and played video games all day. Ahh...refreshed! > >Now back to reality. 28 days since I quit smoking. Have not been intoxicated >once, since then, either, and today, my fucking 46 inch big screen TV >crapped out, and will cost three hundred fucking dollars to fix. I hate >reality...I have shit to add to the site, but will have to wait till I get >the TV sorted. I cant work, or exist without the TV. Think, Beavis and >Butthead. > > >Now, where is my Jack Daniels... > > >KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! >OCCISIO LOCATIO > >THE WEBMASTER, >JESTER >WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM >WWW.PARALLAX1.COM > >There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > >"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or >Gates?" > > ____________________________________________________________ Free Poetry Contest. Win $10,000. Submit your poem @ Poetry.com! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6750922;3807821;l?http://www.poetry.com/contest/contest.asp?Suite=A59101 From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 07:51:31 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Nika) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:51:31 +0100 Subject: [kj] Faust &Devils Message-ID: <20031211075135Z124328-899+47178@mail.centrum.cz> Well, there's no KJ artwork, its actually a gallery for young Czech artists. I don't know what exactly is Jaz's role in it, probably just that he had this idea to let these artists show their work somewhere. So its basically some paintings (some of them are really intersting), some photos, and a small place for a band to perfrom. There's also a recording studio above the gallery. Nika ______________________________________________________________ > Od: "Marie Lecocq" > Komu: > CC: > Datum: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:55:49 +0100 > Předmět: Re: [kj] Faust & Devils > > Hi Nika > > What is the exhibition about exactly? Is it the KJ artwork exhibition Jaz > talked about? > > Cheers, > Marie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nika" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 9:19 PM > Subject: Re: [kj] Faust & Devils > > > > From what I understand its a permanent gallery, though it will be > > open only at certain times. > > Nika in Prague > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Od: Gabriella Wingĺrdh > > > Komu: > > > CC: > > > Datum: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 18:17:34 +0100 > > > Předmět: Re: [kj] Faust & Devils > > > > > > For how long will the Faust & Devils exhibit be? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------------------------------- > > > The pun is mightier than the sword > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gathering mailing list > > > Gathering@misera.net > > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > Eurotel Data Nonstop - neomezený přístup na internet za 649,- (s DPH > 681,45) Kč měsíčně! > http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://www.eurotel.cz/site/cz/servicesA > ndTariffs/specialOffer.html?list=34995 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > -------------------- Centrum.cz Reality: více neľ 50 000 aktuálních nabídek nemovitostí z celé ČR! http://user.centrum.cz/redir.php?url=http://reality.centrum.cz From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 08:49:54 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:49:54 +0000 Subject: [kj] KJHBJL Message-ID: Thanks for your replies on this one. As I suspected this stuff has never seen the light of day. But with folks like TC out there one never know, do one? Geordie reckons there are three tracks, one of them the very first ever version of Change. Evidently HB said "I wanna do some disco" and Geordie went dungdungchugungadung and the rest is history. Lydon was producing. I now know where the tapes are and I'm trying to get hold of them. Do I hear the sound of fingers crossing? cheers, colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 08:55:01 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?killing=20joke?=) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:55:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] KJHBJL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031211085501.10181.qmail@web25109.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --0-1394393928-1071132901=:8338 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit too right you do colesy class this as a pre order for your box from a red also lets hope chelski get a really shite draw in the champs league, eh? and the arse for that matter mike coles wrote: Thanks for your replies on this one. As I suspected this stuff has never seen the light of day. But with folks like TC out there one never know, do one? Geordie reckons there are three tracks, one of them the very first ever version of Change. Evidently HB said "I wanna do some disco" and Geordie went dungdungchugungadung and the rest is history. Lydon was producing. I now know where the tapes are and I'm trying to get hold of them. Do I hear the sound of fingers crossing? cheers, colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering --------------------------------- BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save Ł80 when you order online today. Hurry! Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be. --0-1394393928-1071132901=:8338 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
too right you do colesy
class this as a pre order for your box from a red
also
lets hope chelski get a really shite draw in the champs league, eh? and the arse for that matter

mike coles <mike@maliciousdamage.co.uk> wrote:
Thanks for your replies on this one.
As I suspected this stuff has never seen the light of day.
But with folks like TC out there one never know, do one?
Geordie reckons there are three tracks, one of them the very first
ever version of Change.
Evidently HB said "I wanna do some disco" and Geordie went
dungdungchugungadung and the rest is history. Lydon was producing.
I now know where the tapes are and I'm trying to get hold of them.
Do I hear the sound of fingers crossing?
cheers,
colesy
--
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BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save Ł80 when you order online today. Hurry! Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be. --0-1394393928-1071132901=:8338-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 09:22:16 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 04:22:16 EST Subject: [kj] KJHBJL Message-ID: <8.41c62d87.2d099148@aol.com> --part1_8.41c62d87.2d099148_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/12/03 00:57:14 Pacific Standard Time, akillingjoker@yahoo.co.uk writes: > lets hope chelski get a really shite draw in the champs league, eh? Nah, we cant get shite united at this stage! --part1_8.41c62d87.2d099148_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/12/03 00:57:14 Pacific Standard=20= Time, akillingjoker@yahoo.co.uk writes:

lets hope chelski get a really=20= shite draw in the champs league, eh?


   Nah, we cant get shite united at this stage! --part1_8.41c62d87.2d099148_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 11:53:57 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:53:57 +0100 Subject: [kj] Faust &Devils Message-ID: <2690bf2653b2.2653b22690bf@iol.cz> Actually Jaz told me in studio that KJ Artwork will be performed as well = and that there will be headphones for people to listen to KJ music=2E But= I am not so sure whether it wasnt just some momentary phantasy=2E But he= actually said so to me=2C while at gallery opening he said exactly what = Nika quoted=2E He also said that the best works of his Prague gallery wil= l be part of exhibition at his London gallery=2C which is supposed to be = somewhere near princess f**ing Diana house (which Jaz saw as very funny)=2E= PAVEL ----- P=F9vodn=ED zpr=E1va ----- Od=3A Nika =3Cnia=2Eawe=40centrum=2Ecz=3E Datum=3A =E8tvrtek=2C 11=2E prosince 2003 v 8=3A51 dop P=F8edm=ECt=3A Re=3A =5Bkj=5D Faust =26Devils =3E = =3E Well=2C there=27s no KJ artwork=2C its actually a = =3E gallery for young Czech artists=2E I don=27t = =3E know what exactly is Jaz=27s role in it=2C = =3E probably just that he had this idea to let = =3E these artists show their work somewhere=2E So = =3E its basically some paintings (some of them = =3E are really intersting)=2C some photos=2C and a = =3E small place for a band to perfrom=2E There=27s = =3E also a recording studio above the gallery=2E =3E = =3E Nika =3E =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F =3E =3E Od=3A =22Marie Lecocq=22 =3Cmarie=2Elecocq=40pi=2Ebe=3E =3E =3E Komu=3A =3Cgathering=40misera=2Enet=3E =3E =3E CC=3A = =3E =3E Datum=3A Wed=2C 10 Dec 2003 20=3A55=3A49 +0100 =3E =3E P=F8edm=ECt=3A Re=3A =5Bkj=5D Faust =26amp=3B Devils =3E =3E =3E =3E Hi Nika =3E =3E = =3E =3E What is the exhibition about exactly=3F Is = =3E it the KJ artwork exhibition Jaz =3E =3E talked about=3F =3E =3E = =3E =3E Cheers=2C =3E =3E Marie =3E =3E ----- Original Message ----- =3E =3E From=3A =22Nika=22 =3Cnia=2Eawe=40centrum=2Ecz=3E =3E =3E To=3A =3Cgathering=40misera=2Enet=3E =3E =3E Sent=3A Sunday=2C December 07=2C 2003 9=3A19 PM =3E =3E Subject=3A Re=3A =5Bkj=5D Faust =26 Devils =3E =3E = =3E =3E = =3E =3E =3E From what I understand its a permanent = =3E gallery=2C though it will be =3E =3E =3E open only at certain times=2E =3E =3E =3E Nika in Prague =3E =3E =3E = =3E =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=3E =3E =3E Od=3A Gabriella Win= g=E5rdh =3Cgabriella=2Ewingrdh=40telia=2Ecom=3E =3E =3E =3E =3E Komu=3A =3Cgathering=40misera=2Enet=3E =3E =3E =3E =3E CC=3A =3E =3E =3E =3E Datum=3A Sun=2C 7 Dec 2003 18=3A17=3A34 +0100 =3E =3E =3E =3E P=F8edm=ECt=3A Re=3A =5Bkj=5D Faust =26amp=3B Devils =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E For how long will the Faust =26 Devils = =3E exhibit be=3F =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E --------------------------------------- =3E ----------------------------- =3E =3E =3E -------------------------------------- =3E =3E =3E =3E The pun is mightier than the sword =3E =3E =3E =3E = =3E =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=3E= =3E =3E Gathering mailing list =3E =3E =3E =3E Gathering=40misera=2Enet =3E =3E =3E =3E = =3E http=3A//four=2Epairlist=2Enet/mailman/listinfo/gathering=3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E -------------------- =3E =3E =3E Eurotel Data Nonstop - neomezen=FD p=F8=EDstup = =3E na internet za 649=2C- (s DPH =3E =3E 681=2C45) K=E8 m=ECs=ED=E8n=EC! 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While on subject, wasn't HB kicking about with CRASS at about same time? Some poor neglected corner of my mind is asking why I'm getting kicked to death in a London pedestrian subway. Violence grows? Any takers? Stuart mike coles wrote: Thanks for your replies on this one. As I suspected this stuff has never seen the light of day. But with folks like TC out there one never know, do one? Geordie reckons there are three tracks, one of them the very first ever version of Change. Evidently HB said "I wanna do some disco" and Geordie went dungdungchugungadung and the rest is history. Lydon was producing. I now know where the tapes are and I'm trying to get hold of them. Do I hear the sound of fingers crossing? cheers, colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering If you're not living on the edge you're taking up too much room. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --0-1194393210-1071149800=:9379 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Fingers, and toes, and eyes...
 
While on subject, wasn't HB kicking about with CRASS at about same time? Some poor neglected corner of my mind is asking why I'm getting kicked to death in a London pedestrian subway. Violence grows? Any takers?
 
Stuart

mike coles <mike@maliciousdamage.co.uk> wrote:
Thanks for your replies on this one.
As I suspected this stuff has never seen the light of day.
But with folks like TC out there one never know, do one?
Geordie reckons there are three tracks, one of them the very first
ever version of Change.
Evidently HB said "I wanna do some disco" and Geordie went
dungdungchugungadung and the rest is history. Lydon was producing.
I now know where the tapes are and I'm trying to get hold of them.
Do I hear the sound of fingers crossing?
cheers,
colesy
--
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... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk
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New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --0-1194393210-1071149800=:9379-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 16:29:47 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (n0153) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:29:47 -0200 Subject: [kj] ot: help (english writers) In-Reply-To: <67.1d8dc49b.2cfec4a4@aol.com> References: <67.1d8dc49b.2cfec4a4@aol.com> Message-ID: <3C118B91-2BF7-11D8-B8A0-0030656468B0@uol.com.br> I know it is not polite to be away for so long and come out of my lurkidom(?) to ask an off topic question... but, I need help! I need help from you finding really good bizarre/fantastic/horror english (from England only) writers. Can be new guys or ancient writers... can you please help? ASAP! Jr - n0153 From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 16:36:02 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Phillipps Marc) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:36:02 -0000 Subject: [kj] ot: help (english writers) Message-ID: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1C9@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> >I need help from you finding really good bizarre/fantastic/horror >english (from England only) writers Clive Barker John Wyndham James Herbert (not really bizarre but pretty scary sometimes) That should get you started :o) Marc. > -----Original Message----- > From: n0153 [SMTP:n0153@uol.com.br] > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:30 PM > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: [kj] ot: help (english writers) > > I know it is not polite to be away for so long and come out of my > lurkidom(?) to ask an off topic question... but, I need help! > > > I need help from you finding really good bizarre/fantastic/horror > english (from England only) writers. Can be new guys or ancient > writers... can you please help? 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From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 16:37:53 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Hopkins, Richard C) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:37:53 -0000 Subject: [kj] ot: help (english writers) Message-ID: <8A5895F2E48FA145A39E569702887983056EC6@exchange02.unv.wlv.ac.uk> Jeff Noon -----Original Message----- From: Phillipps Marc [mailto:Marc.Phillipps@enfield.nhs.uk] Sent: 11 December 2003 16:36 To: 'gathering@misera.net' Subject: RE: [kj] ot: help (english writers) >I need help from you finding really good bizarre/fantastic/horror=20 >english (from England only) writers Clive Barker=20 John Wyndham=20 James Herbert (not really bizarre but pretty scary sometimes) That should get you started :o) Marc.=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: n0153 [SMTP:n0153@uol.com.br] > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:30 PM > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: [kj] ot: help (english writers) >=20 > I know it is not polite to be away for so long and come out of my=20 > lurkidom(?) to ask an off topic question... but, I need help! >=20 >=20 > I need help from you finding really good bizarre/fantastic/horror=20 > english (from England only) writers. Can be new guys or ancient=20 > writers... can you please help? ASAP! >=20 >=20 > Jr - n0153 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >=20 >=20 This communication may contain information that is confidential and = legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If = you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information = within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet = Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 16:39:17 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (P Bernardi) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:39:17 -0500 Subject: [kj] ot: help (english writers) References: <67.1d8dc49b.2cfec4a4@aol.com> <3C118B91-2BF7-11D8-B8A0-0030656468B0@uol.com.br> Message-ID: <3FD89DB5.4030408@erols.com> If you read comic books it doesnt get more f'd up than Grant Morrisons' The Filth. n0153 wrote: > I know it is not polite to be away for so long and come out of my > lurkidom(?) to ask an off topic question... but, I need help! > > > I need help from you finding really good bizarre/fantastic/horror > english (from England only) writers. Can be new guys or ancient > writers... can you please help? ASAP! > > > Jr - n0153 > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 16:44:52 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:44:52 -0500 Subject: [kj] ot: help (english writers) Message-ID: <200312111644.hBBGidcw028237@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Was H.P.Lovecraft English? Seems like he must be. Alex in NYC ---------- >From: n0153 >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: [kj] ot: help (english writers) >Date: Thu, Dec 11, 2003, 11:29 AM > >I know it is not polite to be away for so long and come out of my >lurkidom(?) to ask an off topic question... but, I need help! > > >I need help from you finding really good bizarre/fantastic/horror >english (from England only) writers. Can be new guys or ancient >writers... can you please help? ASAP! > > >Jr - n0153 > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 16:50:00 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Phillipps Marc) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:50:00 -0000 Subject: [kj] ot: help (english writers) Message-ID: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1CA@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> >Was H.P.Lovecraft English? Seems like he must be. Born in Rhode Island apparently http://www.hplovecraft.com/ Marc. > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Smith [SMTP:vassifer@earthlink.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:45 PM > To: gathering@misera.net; gathering@misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] ot: help (english writers) > > > Was H.P.Lovecraft English? Seems like he must be. > > Alex in NYC > > > ---------- > >From: n0153 > >To: gathering@misera.net > >Subject: [kj] ot: help (english writers) > >Date: Thu, Dec 11, 2003, 11:29 AM > > > > >I know it is not polite to be away for so long and come out of my > >lurkidom(?) to ask an off topic question... but, I need help! > > > > > >I need help from you finding really good bizarre/fantastic/horror > >english (from England only) writers. Can be new guys or ancient > >writers... can you please help? ASAP! > > > > > >Jr - n0153 > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Gathering mailing list > >Gathering@misera.net > >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 16:50:17 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:50:17 -0600 Subject: [kj] ot: help (english writers) In-Reply-To: <200312111644.hBBGidcw028237@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: On 12/11/03 10:44 AM, "Alex Smith" wrote: >=20 > Was H.P.Lovecraft English? Seems like he must be. >=20 > Alex in NYC Don=B9t think so. I thought he was from Providence, Rhode Island??? KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 16:51:10 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Wayne Walker) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:51:10 +0000 Subject: [kj] ot: help (english writers) Message-ID: Brian Lumley. I'd recommend his Necroscope series if you're into vampires >From: n0153 >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: [kj] ot: help (english writers) >Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:29:47 -0200 > >I know it is not polite to be away for so long and come out of my >lurkidom(?) to ask an off topic question... but, I need help! > > >I need help from you finding really good bizarre/fantastic/horror english >(from England only) writers. Can be new guys or ancient writers... can you >please help? ASAP! > > >Jr - n0153 > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 16:53:29 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:53:29 -0500 Subject: [kj] ot: help (english writers) Message-ID: <200312111653.hBBGrHcw013372@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Get out! Really? Well, Rhode Island is indeed an entirely fucked-up and creepy place, so I suppose it makes sense. Alex in NYC ---------- >From: Phillipps Marc >To: "'gathering@misera.net'" >Subject: RE: [kj] ot: help (english writers) >Date: Thu, Dec 11, 2003, 11:50 AM > >>Was H.P.Lovecraft English? Seems like he must be. > >Born in Rhode Island apparently > >http://www.hplovecraft.com/ > > >Marc. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Alex Smith [SMTP:vassifer@earthlink.net] >> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:45 PM >> To: gathering@misera.net; gathering@misera.net >> Subject: Re: [kj] ot: help (english writers) >> >> >> Was H.P.Lovecraft English? Seems like he must be. >> >> Alex in NYC >> >> >> ---------- >> >From: n0153 >> >To: gathering@misera.net >> >Subject: [kj] ot: help (english writers) >> >Date: Thu, Dec 11, 2003, 11:29 AM >> > >> >> >I know it is not polite to be away for so long and come out of my >> >lurkidom(?) to ask an off topic question... but, I need help! >> > >> > >> >I need help from you finding really good bizarre/fantastic/horror >> >english (from England only) writers. Can be new guys or ancient >> >writers... can you please help? ASAP! >> > >> > >> >Jr - n0153 >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Gathering mailing list >> >Gathering@misera.net >> >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >> _______________________________________________ >> Gathering mailing list >> Gathering@misera.net >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >> >> >This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally >privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you >are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of >distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within >is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this >communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and >destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any >liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This >communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet Enfield >& Haringey Health Communities. > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 17:12:20 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:12:20 -0000 Subject: [kj] ot: help (english writers) Message-ID: <7D368CED82B7A44FAB699FBB41CC921207386083@i2km02-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net> >=20 > >I know it is not polite to be away for so long and come out of my > >lurkidom(?) to ask an off topic question... but, I need help! > > > > > >I need help from you finding really good bizarre/fantastic/horror > >english (from England only) writers. Can be new guys or ancient=20 > >writers... can you please help? ASAP! > > > There are the classic horror writers .... Ann Radcliffe,=20 Mary Shelley,=20 Robert Louis Stevenson (Scottish) Bram Stoker. (Irish not English) Joseph Sheridan LeFanu, (Irish, not English) His book Carmilla probably contains the first ever Lesbian Vampires. It predates Dracula. From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 17:49:09 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gabriella_Wing=E5rdh?=) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:49:09 +0100 Subject: [kj] ot: help (english writers) References: <67.1d8dc49b.2cfec4a4@aol.com> <3C118B91-2BF7-11D8-B8A0-0030656468B0@uol.com.br> Message-ID: <002201c3c00f$153f2c90$030c43d5@oemcomputer> Alan Moore, Bryan Talbot and Warren Ellis. They=B4re all brilliant, = beautiful and somewhat bizarre :-) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "n0153" To: Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 5:29 PM Subject: [kj] ot: help (english writers) > I know it is not polite to be away for so long and come out of my=20 > lurkidom(?) to ask an off topic question... but, I need help! >=20 >=20 > I need help from you finding really good bizarre/fantastic/horror=20 > english (from England only) writers. Can be new guys or ancient=20 > writers... can you please help? ASAP! >=20 >=20 > Jr - n0153 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 18:35:58 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:35:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] ot: help (english writers) In-Reply-To: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1CA@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> from "Phillipps Marc" at Dec 11, 2003 04:50:00 PM Message-ID: <200312111835.hBBIZwmk024093@basil.jkm.net> > >Was H.P.Lovecraft English? Seems like he must be. > > Born in Rhode Island apparently > > http://www.hplovecraft.com/ Which is why it's a bit unusual to insist upon people from England only! (hmpf!) --Amy, Princess Di's ninth cousin (really!) From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 18:38:21 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Tim Bucknall) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:38:21 -0000 Subject: [kj] KJHBJL References: Message-ID: <00b701c3c015$f7a50860$26ab8351@mycomputer> they're so crossed the circulation has been cut off ;-) Did JL really produce a version of wardance or was Martin atkins just talking crap? ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike coles" To: Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:49 AM Subject: [kj] KJHBJL > Thanks for your replies on this one. > As I suspected this stuff has never seen the light of day. > But with folks like TC out there one never know, do one? > Geordie reckons there are three tracks, one of them the very first > ever version of Change. > Evidently HB said "I wanna do some disco" and Geordie went > dungdungchugungadung and the rest is history. Lydon was producing. > I now know where the tapes are and I'm trying to get hold of them. > Do I hear the sound of fingers crossing? > cheers, > colesy > -- > Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk > ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 19:07:15 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (fat potanga) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:07:15 +0000 Subject: [kj] ot: help (english writers) Message-ID: Clive Barkers a must and Stephen Laws can be OK Fat Jamie ----Original Message Follows---- From: n0153 Reply-To: gathering@misera.net To: gathering@misera.net Subject: [kj] ot: help (english writers) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:29:47 -0200 I know it is not polite to be away for so long and come out of my lurkidom(?) to ask an off topic question... but, I need help! I need help from you finding really good bizarre/fantastic/horror english (from England only) writers. Can be new guys or ancient writers... can you please help? ASAP! Jr - n0153 _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 19:17:06 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:17:06 +0000 Subject: [kj] wardance Message-ID: --============_-1140952264==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Tim writ: they're so crossed the circulation has been cut off ;-) you've lost me there Did JL really produce a version of wardance or was Martin atkins just talking crap? Geordie seems to remember three tracks, one of which was Change. I'll try and find out. cheers, colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk --============_-1140952264==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" wardance
Tim writ:
they're so crossed the circulation has been cut off ;-)
you've lost me there

Did JL really produce a version of wardance or was Martin atkins just talking crap?
Geordie seems to remember three tracks, one of which was Change.
I'll try and find out.
cheers,
colesy
--
Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk
... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk
--============_-1140952264==_ma============-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 19:26:02 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:26:02 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] wardance In-Reply-To: from "mike coles" at Dec 11, 2003 07:17:06 PM Message-ID: <200312111926.hBBJQ2Pc024588@basil.jkm.net> > they're so crossed the circulation has been cut off ;-) > you've lost me there He crossed something so tight in hopes of getting the below, that he no longer has circulation to those body parts! Please tell me you didn't cross your bollocks! (LOL) > Did JL really produce a version of wardance or was Martin atkins just > talking crap? Amy From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 19:30:37 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:30:37 +0000 Subject: [kj] circulation Message-ID: --============_-1140951451==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" He crossed something so tight in hopes of getting the below, that he no longer has circulation to those body parts! DOHHH!! I understand... ...colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk --============_-1140951451==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" circulation
He crossed something so tight in hopes of getting the below,
that he no longer has circulation to those body parts!
DOHHH!! I understand...
...colesy
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--============_-1140951451==_ma============-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 19:40:52 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:40:52 -0600 Subject: [kj] ot: help (english writers) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200312111340.52698.webmaster@killing-joke.com> On Thursday 11 December 2003 01:07 pm, fat potanga wrote: > Clive Barkers a must and Stephen Laws can be OK > > > Fat Jamie Clive is god...nuff said. Cheers, Jester in TexASS...Still fighting the horror show that is a recent storm caused power surge damage to the Mac, PC, and TV...found the cause, now have to find the cure... From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 19:42:14 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:42:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] circulation In-Reply-To: from "mike coles" at Dec 11, 2003 07:30:37 PM Message-ID: <200312111942.hBBJgEEv024764@basil.jkm.net> By the by, Americans will occasionally cross their fingers for good luck, but not other body parts, and won't say "I have *everything* crossed for you!" This crossing thing is much more a British superstition than American ;-) --Amy, who tries to navigate the chasm betwixt the cultures ;-) From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 19:49:43 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:49:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] ot: help (english writers) In-Reply-To: <200312111340.52698.webmaster@killing-joke.com> from "Jester" at Dec 11, 2003 01:40:52 PM Message-ID: <200312111949.hBBJnhN2024831@basil.jkm.net> > Jester in TexASS...Still fighting the horror show that is a recent storm > caused power surge damage to the Mac, PC, and TV...found the cause, now have > to find the cure... No stormies here, Jester..... thunderboomer?! Surely not ice, we'd've heard of that..... No offence, but Dallas weather sucks -- that horrible heat in the summer, those thunderboomers also in summer that cause violent winds and have caused airliners to crash, tornadoes, and then ice storms in the winter. And the crime rate exceeds that of Houston. Houston wins in every category except humidity and having to breathe enough petrochemicals to make the question of whether or not to smoke almost laughable. From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 20:40:19 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Tim Bucknall) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:40:19 -0000 Subject: [kj] wardance References: Message-ID: <002301c3c026$ffe0f910$c1ad8351@mycomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C3C026.FDBAE4C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wardanceexcellent! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mike coles=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:17 PM Subject: [kj] wardance Tim writ: they're so crossed the circulation has been cut off ;-) you've lost me there Did JL really produce a version of wardance or was Martin atkins just = talking crap? Geordie seems to remember three tracks, one of which was Change. I'll try and find out. cheers, colesy --=20 Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C3C026.FDBAE4C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wardance
excellent!
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mike coles
Sent: Thursday, December 11, = 2003 7:17=20 PM
Subject: [kj] wardance

Tim writ:
they're so crossed the circulation has been = cut off=20 ;-)
you've lost me there

Did JL really produce a version of wardance = or was=20 Martin atkins just talking crap?
Geordie seems to remember three tracks, one of which was = Change.
I'll try and find out.
cheers,
colesy
--=20
Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.u= k
...=20 and you can find more Killing Joke at=20 http://www.studio-c.co.uk
------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C3C026.FDBAE4C0-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 20:40:52 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Tim Bucknall) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:40:52 -0000 Subject: [kj] wardance References: <200312111926.hBBJQ2Pc024588@basil.jkm.net> Message-ID: <002d01c3c027$13c793d0$c1ad8351@mycomputer> > Please tell me you didn't cross your bollocks! (LOL) > anything for KJ! From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 22:25:01 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:25:01 -0600 Subject: [kj] ot: help (english writers) In-Reply-To: <200312111949.hBBJnhN2024831@basil.jkm.net> Message-ID: I wish I could combine the scenery of Austin, with the music scene of Dalla= s (Course of Empire, Slow Roosevelt, Peter Schmidt, L2E) but leave everything out about H town. It smells really really bad there, NASA, hurricanes, and...WAAAAY too many aggys there. I will take the 2 or 3 tornados a year, and since I use to storm chase when I was younger (yes, I almost went to zerOU for meteorology), I don=B9t mind the storms. Heat? Shit, were in TexASS...it's all heat from April - November. We have a new Home Depot being built right next to us, and I guess they hit something. It was, I think, Friday night/Saturday morning, and all the lights went fucking bright, then everything went off. I thought it was the drugs, but I remembered that I hadn't had any. I then began to wonder if I died...yeah, IT was THAT good...hahaha..Since then all the electric shit ha= s been fucked up. The TV was acting strange, and finally went out the other day, I lost a bunch of shit in the Mac, including my KDE for XDarwin, and some shit for the site. The OC just lost some shit that didn=B9t matter, but = I already fixed that. I cant stand the yelling from Elana if that thing is messed up. Plus, it is only a 7gig HD, so not to much to fix there. But the Mac has been horrible to deal with. Free software is cool, but it is a bit of work.. This week sucked... On 12/11/03 1:49 PM, "Amy Moseley Rupp" wrote: >> Jester in TexASS...Still fighting the horror show that is a recent storm >> caused power surge damage to the Mac, PC, and TV...found the cause, now = have >> to find the cure... >=20 > No stormies here, Jester..... thunderboomer?! Surely not ice, we'd've > heard of that..... >=20 > No offence, but Dallas weather sucks -- that horrible heat in the summer, > those thunderboomers also in summer that cause violent winds and > have caused airliners to crash, tornadoes, and then ice storms in the > winter. And the crime rate exceeds that of Houston. Houston wins > in every category except humidity and having to breathe enough > petrochemicals to make the question of whether or not to smoke > almost laughable. > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >=20 >=20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 22:26:34 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:26:34 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154004796_1128932 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Ok, so I go to pick my son, Seth, up from school today. About two months ago, he tested out of kindergarten, and into first grade. Endless doses of the Joke no doubt had some influence over that :) Well, I read his weekly progress report, and it comes to my attention, via = a personal note, that Seth is having issues with =B3excessive talking=B2 in music class. So, I question him as to why he has been talking so much. His response was =B3it is boring, and I couldn=B9t help myself.=B2 Boring? Music class? Wait a minute...this is public school were talking about, lets hear this one. So I ask him what they did. Reenact the class for me. I am still laughing at the absurdity of the whole thing...here goes.... The class goes into the room, and sits down. The teacher then comes in, say= s =B3the quiet game starts now=B2, then put in a cassette tape of Chanukah music, and they sit there. For an hour. Listening to Chanukah music. Jewish Christmas Carols, as it were. In a public school. Wait..no... that's anothe= r story... separation of church and state...leave that one for another day, the heretic that I am. Well, itr is widely known at the school that Seth is pretty severe ADD/ADHD= . We are in the process of finalizing treatment plans, and have informed all his teachers of the situation, so they have a better understanding of what to expect. It is also widely know, that Seth needs to be challenged in class, or he WILL get bored and start talking, or something else. So, in this situation, what does he do? What he thought was completely and totally appropriate for the class. He begins drumming and singing Pandemonium in class. Thus, the cause of the note and him being in trouble. Normally, I would not be so chapped at the teaching staff, but shit. This is MUSIC class. She provided them with no lyric sheets for the music they were playing, do not discuss the songs or what they mean, they have learned no musical instruments, or nothing. They play the quiet game most days, and listen to tapes and cd=B9s. Shit, Seth could do a better job of teaching that class. At least he was making his own music. So now, I get to write his music teacher, home teacher, and his principal and set up conferences. Not only am I not happy with the fact he is called out in music class for GASP making music, but also, the kids are all being fucked by getting NOTHING from that class. Fucking public schools... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154004796_1128932 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? Ok, so I go to pick my = son, Seth, up from school today. About two months ago, he tested out of kind= ergarten, and into first grade. Endless doses of the Joke no doubt had some = influence over that :)

Well, I read his weekly progress report, and it comes to my attention, via = a personal note, that Seth is having issues with “excessive talking= 221; in music class. So, I question him as to why he has been talking so muc= h. His response was “it is boring, and I couldn’t help myself.&#= 8221;

Boring? Music class? Wait a minute...this is public school were talking abo= ut, lets hear this one.

So I ask him what they did. Reenact the class for me.

I am still laughing at the absurdity of the whole thing...here goes....

The class goes into the room, and sits down. The teacher then comes in, say= s “the quiet game starts now”, then put in a cassette tape of Ch= anukah music, and they sit there. For an hour. Listening to Chanukah music. = Jewish Christmas Carols, as it were. In a public school. Wait..no... that's = another story... separation of church and state...leave that one for another= day, the heretic that I am.

Well, itr is widely known at the school that Seth is pretty severe ADD/ADHD= . We are in the process of finalizing treatment plans, and have informed all= his teachers of the situation, so they have a better understanding of what = to expect. It is also widely know, that Seth needs to be challenged in class= , or he WILL get bored and start talking, or something else. So, in this sit= uation, what does he do? What he thought was completely and totally appropri= ate for the class. He begins drumming and singing Pandemonium in class. Thus= , the cause of the note and him being in trouble. Normally, I would not be s= o chapped at the teaching staff, but shit. This is MUSIC class. She provided= them with no lyric sheets for the music they were playing, do not discuss t= he songs or what they mean, they have learned no musical instruments, or not= hing. They play the quiet game most days, and listen to tapes and cd’s= . Shit, Seth could do a better job of teaching that class. At least he was m= aking his own music.

So now, I get to write his music teacher, home teacher, and his principal a= nd set up conferences. Not only am I not happy with the fact he is called ou= t in music class for GASP making music, but also, the kids are all be= ing fucked by getting NOTHING from that class. Fucking public schools...

KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
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THE WEBMASTER,
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 --B_3154004796_1128932-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 22:27:48 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:27:48 EST Subject: [kj] ot: help (english writers) Message-ID: <17b.233078da.2d0a4964@aol.com> --part1_17b.233078da.2d0a4964_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil Gainman's books are very good and fall nicely into the description you gave. The best two are "Neverwhere" & "American Gods", he also did the "Sandman" graphic novel series which is also very warped & exellent. Lyle --part1_17b.233078da.2d0a4964_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Neil Gainman's books are very good and fall nicely int= o the description you gave. The best two are "Neverwhere" & "American Go= ds", he also did the "Sandman" graphic novel series which is also very warpe= d & exellent.


Lyle --part1_17b.233078da.2d0a4964_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 22:33:04 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:33:04 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? In-Reply-To: from "Jester" at Dec 11, 2003 04:26:34 PM Message-ID: <200312112233.hBBMX4oU026368@basil.jkm.net> Hey Jester, I *just* filled out a six-page essay survey on the school my eldest attends -- grade 5. She's been at this school since third grade, so I have some multi-year experience. My comment on both social studies and music was to ditch all the classical and folk stuff and concentrate on the present, cos that's all kids this age give a damn about. If music is only listening to and playing this older music, the kids aren't even going to take band/orchestra/choir in middle school and beyond, and that's a tragedy. IMHO they've plenty of time to get into classical & folk in high school -- you need to hook them on music *early* though, and letting them play KJ or Britney or whatever the fuck turns them on is what will do it, not even Christmas carols. From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 22:32:46 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dirk Kingerske) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:32:46 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? Message-ID:







well, i don't know about schools in the U.S. ...., but isn't  it normal that kids are talking during class... or is it only when I am teaching?????

 

dr dirk

>From: Jester
>Reply-To: gathering@misera.net
>To: Gathering
>Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school?
>Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:26:34 -0600
>
>Ok, so I go to pick my son, Seth, up from school today. About two months
>ago, he tested out of kindergarten, and into first grade. Endless doses of
>the Joke no doubt had some influence over that :)
>
>Well, I read his weekly progress report, and it comes to my attention, via a
>personal note, that Seth is having issues with łexcessive talking˛ in music
>class. So, I question him as to why he has been talking so much. His
>response was łit is boring, and I couldnąt help myself.˛
>
>Boring? Music class? Wait a minute...this is public school were talking
>about, lets hear this one.
>
>So I ask him what they did. Reenact the class for me.
>
>I am still laughing at the absurdity of the whole thing...here goes....
>
>The class goes into the room, and sits down. The teacher then comes in, says
>łthe quiet game starts now˛, then put in a cassette tape of Chanukah music,
>and they sit there. For an hour. Listening to Chanukah music. Jewish
>Christmas Carols, as it were. In a public school. Wait..no... that's another
>story... separation of church and state...leave that one for another day,
>the heretic that I am.
>
>Well, itr is widely known at the school that Seth is pretty severe ADD/ADHD.
>We are in the process of finalizing treatment plans, and have informed all
>his teachers of the situation, so they have a better understanding of what
>to expect. It is also widely know, that Seth needs to be challenged in
>class, or he WILL get bored and start talking, or something else. So, in
>this situation, what does he do? What he thought was completely and totally
>appropriate for the class. He begins drumming and singing Pandemonium in
>class. Thus, the cause of the note and him being in trouble. Normally, I
>would not be so chapped at the teaching staff, but shit. This is MUSIC
>class. She provided them with no lyric sheets for the music they were
>playing, do not discuss the songs or what they mean, they have learned no
>musical instruments, or nothing. They play the quiet game most days, and
>listen to tapes and cdąs. Shit, Seth could do a better job of teaching that
>class. At least he was making his own music.
>
>So now, I get to write his music teacher, home teacher, and his principal
>and set up conferences. Not only am I not happy with the fact he is called
>out in music class for GASP making music, but also, the kids are all being
>fucked by getting NOTHING from that class. Fucking public schools...
>
>KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
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>
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>JESTER
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>
>There is no place like 127.0.0.1
>
>"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or
>Gates?"
>

5 neue Buddies = 50 FreeSMS. Hier klicken - der Countdown läuft! FreeSMS abräumen mit dem MSN Messenger. From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 22:42:00 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:42:00 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] ot: help (english writers) In-Reply-To: from "Jester" at Dec 11, 2003 04:25:01 PM Message-ID: <200312112242.hBBMg0BQ026562@basil.jkm.net> > I wish I could combine the scenery of Austin, with the music scene of Dallas > (Course of Empire, Slow Roosevelt, Peter Schmidt, L2E) but leave everything I dunno, I don't much like the music scene in Dallas, and I like having SXSW and the Austin City Limits festie. > and since I use to storm chase when I was younger (yes, I almost went to > zerOU for meteorology), I donąt mind the storms. Heat? Shit, were in > TexASS...it's all heat from April - November. I love meteorology as well, but would have had to go to A&M. What's worse, going to A&M or OU? (ponders that one) > died...yeah, IT was THAT good...hahaha..Since then all the electric shit has > been fucked up. The TV was acting strange, and finally went out the other > day, I lost a bunch of shit in the Mac, including my KDE for XDarwin, and > some shit for the site. The OC just lost some shit that didnąt matter, but I > already fixed that. I cant stand the yelling from Elana if that thing is > messed up. Plus, it is only a 7gig HD, so not to much to fix there. But the > Mac has been horrible to deal with. Free software is cool, but it is a bit > of work.. Write me offlist about the Mac, they aren't horrible once you get the hang of it. Given all the other stuff you mention, you are gadget and tech savvy, you can do it. WRT losing your electrical equipment -- go hand Home Despot a fucking bill and tell them you'll take them to small claims court unless they sort out reimbursement with the subcontactor who caused the damage. No way should your homeowners policy have to pay, it can count against you and you will have a deductible. If you consider yourself as working from home, tack on lost wages due to the power cut and recovering from it. This isn't litigious, it's fair, and will help discourage asshole utility companies from cutting lines. I fucking hate utility companies for very good reasons including the special interest laws they have passed. For example, Austin tried to pass a law that would require utility companies to coordinate with each other so that if they had to open a street (make a hole in it) for utilities within a month of each other they had to coordinate and do it at the same time so as to not close the street twice or more in a month. Fuckers whined to the legislature and the legislature, who hates Austin, backed them up. So we live with streets that are constantly torn up because the utility companies can't be arsed to coordinate or to do the job right in a timely manner. One of my favourite college professors was *killed* because he was riding a bike, hit one of those steel road covers that comes up about 1/4" inch, and was thrown -- broke his neck. They are supposed to install asphalt around those covers and feather it down to road level so the transition is gradual, but even if they do it at the beginning of the job they don't maintain it. Fucking fucking utility companies. Eat their lunch. > This week sucked... Yeah, I went and asked my brother if UT beat Arizona in BB and he said no :-( I don't follow the sports but I know you do. From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 22:45:04 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:45:04 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? In-Reply-To: <200312112233.hBBMX4oU026368@basil.jkm.net> Message-ID: Funny you mention that, about turning kids onto music early, pretty much by any means. I am currently typing this up whilst my 4 year old son, and three year old daughter are standing...er..dancing next to me, singing "Gin and Juice" by Snoop Dogg. Nothing as beautiful as my 3 year old little girl, singing about smoking endo, sippin' on gin and juice... On 12/11/03 4:33 PM, "Amy Moseley Rupp" wrote: > Hey Jester, > > I *just* filled out a six-page essay survey on the school my > eldest attends -- grade 5. She's been at this school since > third grade, so I have some multi-year experience. > > My comment on both social studies and music was to ditch all > the classical and folk stuff and concentrate on the present, > cos that's all kids this age give a damn about. If music > is only listening to and playing this older music, the kids > aren't even going to take band/orchestra/choir in middle > school and beyond, and that's a tragedy. IMHO they've plenty > of time to get into classical & folk in high school -- you > need to hook them on music *early* though, and letting them > play KJ or Britney or whatever the fuck turns them on is > what will do it, not even Christmas carols. > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 22:46:26 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:46:26 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] ot: help (english writers) In-Reply-To: from "Jester" at Dec 11, 2003 04:25:01 PM Message-ID: <200312112246.hBBMkQIX026630@basil.jkm.net> > and since I use to storm chase when I was younger (yes, I almost went to > zerOU for meteorology), I donąt mind the storms. Heat? Shit, were in > TexASS...it's all heat from April - November. Oh yeah -- but remember I said humidity, which is where Houston seriously loses out to both Austin and Dallas. I love West Texas in the summer, fucking hot but with next to no humidity it doesn't feel it and it cools down a lot at night. Now, if it wasn't in the middle of a fucking desert in the middle of nowhere ;-) ;-) but then it'd have humidity! Argh! Can't win unless you live in parts of California or Hawaii which is why it's expensive as shit to live there. From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 22:48:28 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:48:28 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? In-Reply-To: from "Jester" at Dec 11, 2003 04:45:04 PM Message-ID: <200312112248.hBBMmSPr026658@basil.jkm.net> > Funny you mention that, about turning kids onto music early, pretty much by > any means. I am currently typing this up whilst my 4 year old son, and three > year old daughter are standing...er..dancing next to me, singing "Gin and > Juice" by Snoop Dogg. What ever works, man. Wait until they are old enough to *understand* about drinking and drugs to be a lyric cop if necessary. "Mine eyes have seen the glory of the burning of the school" That's another way to get them into the hymns and folk songs -- parodies. They'll snicker their way through music class, but they'll be a big hit with the other kids when they teach them the alternate versions ;-) From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 23:15:47 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:15:47 -0600 Subject: [kj] ot: help (english writers) In-Reply-To: <200312112242.hBBMg0BQ026562@basil.jkm.net> Message-ID: On 12/11/03 4:42 PM, "Amy Moseley Rupp" wrote: >> I wish I could combine the scenery of Austin, with the music scene of Da= llas >> (Course of Empire, Slow Roosevelt, Peter Schmidt, L2E) but leave everyth= ing >=20 > I dunno, I don't much like the music scene in Dallas, and I like having > SXSW and the Austin City Limits festie. If all goes the way it should, you will LOVE SxSW this coming year, joking apart... >=20 >> and since I use to storm chase when I was younger (yes, I almost went to >> zerOU for meteorology), I don=B9t mind the storms. Heat? Shit, were in >> TexASS...it's all heat from April - November. >=20 > I love meteorology as well, but would have had to go to A&M. What's > worse, going to A&M or OU? (ponders that one) I have a lot of friends from zerOU, and I like no one from aggy. That includes my uncle, who, incidentally, actually never attended the school, just likes sheep and dead dogs for some reason. Actually wanted to go to collie station when I told him about the jiz cup they use to put in the out house on top of bonfire. Aggy, from the outside you DON=B9T want to understand. >=20 >> died...yeah, IT was THAT good...hahaha..Since then all the electric shit= has >> been fucked up. The TV was acting strange, and finally went out the othe= r >> day, I lost a bunch of shit in the Mac, including my KDE for XDarwin, an= d >> some shit for the site. The OC just lost some shit that didn=B9t matter, b= ut I >> already fixed that. I cant stand the yelling from Elana if that thing is >> messed up. Plus, it is only a 7gig HD, so not to much to fix there. But = the >> Mac has been horrible to deal with. Free software is cool, but it is a b= it >> of work.. >=20 > Write me offlist about the Mac, they aren't horrible once you get the > hang of it. Given all the other stuff you mention, you are gadget and > tech savvy, you can do it. >=20 Eh? Silly..I am a Mac god. Haha. Not the technical aspect so much as it is the huge workload, and file transfer. Hurry up hurry hurry...ok, wait till the transfer is done...and remembering where my book marks are hidden in th= e other drive, and the preferences for programs, as well as serials. The battle is endless. Not to mention the 10 or so gigs worth of MP3's backed u= p on disc, that I now have to put back on the damn thing. > WRT losing your electrical equipment -- go hand Home Despot a fucking > bill and tell them you'll take them to small claims court unless they > sort out reimbursement with the subcontactor who caused the damage. No > way should your homeowners policy have to pay, it can count against > you and you will have a deductible. If you consider yourself as working > from home, tack on lost wages due to the power cut and recovering from > it. This isn't litigious, it's fair, and will help discourage asshole > utility companies from cutting lines. You know, I actually thought of that. Seriously, why should it come out of my pocket to pay for their bull shit? I thought it may have been the "WIND" storm we had, but I don=B9t think that it was that bad. We lose the phone and cable sometimes because of the wind, but not get power surges and outages. >=20 > I fucking hate utility companies for very good reasons including > the special interest laws they have passed. For example, Austin > tried to pass a law that would require utility companies to > coordinate with each other so that if they had to open a street > (make a hole in it) for utilities within a month of each other > they had to coordinate and do it at the same time so as to > not close the street twice or more in a month. Fuckers whined > to the legislature and the legislature, who hates Austin, backed > them up. So we live with streets that are constantly torn up > because the utility companies can't be arsed to coordinate or > to do the job right in a timely manner. One of my favourite > college professors was *killed* because he was riding a bike, > hit one of those steel road covers that comes up about 1/4" inch, > and was thrown -- broke his neck. They are supposed to install > asphalt around those covers and feather it down to road level > so the transition is gradual, but even if they do it at the > beginning of the job they don't maintain it. >=20 > Fucking fucking utility companies. Eat their lunch. Nothing worse than the TxU and any Telco. I hate both of them. >=20 >> This week sucked... >=20 > Yeah, I went and asked my brother if UT beat Arizona in BB > and he said no :-( I don't follow the sports but I know you do. That was a good comeback tho. We never beat Zona, so wasn=B9t really expectin= g too much, and they really came back hard in that one. Almost, dammit, almost. Bet we beat Zona in the final 4 tho ;-) You need to give your Bro my email addy. Sounds like we'd do good to chat a bit. May have to set up watching parties and shit. You guys going to San Diego? > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >=20 >=20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 23:15:11 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:15:11 EST Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? Message-ID: <12d.36cbbe58.2d0a547f@aol.com> --part1_12d.36cbbe58.2d0a547f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, I'm a teacher (special ed) too, and kids love to talk. However, I've burned copies of the new KJ cd for several students (the ones into punk, metal, goth) and they've been very appreciative! I think they know the truth when they hear it. Another student, who has not hear the album, walked into my room today as I was listening to Joe Strummer's masterpeice, "Streetcore". He asked me if this was by the guy who became a priest for a joke (remember that interview? It made it's way around my classroom). I replied, "No, that's my other favorite group). Each one teach one--we elders have to teach the history we've lived through! --part1_12d.36cbbe58.2d0a547f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, I'm a teacher (special ed) too, and kids love to t= alk. However, I've burned copies of the new KJ cd for several students (the=20= ones into punk, metal, goth) and they've been very appreciative! I think the= y know the truth when they hear it. Another student, who has not hear the al= bum, walked into my room today as I was listening to Joe Strummer's masterpe= ice, "Streetcore". He asked me if this was by the guy who became a priest fo= r a joke (remember that interview? It made it's way around my classroom). I=20= replied, "No, that's my other favorite group).
Each one teach one--we elders have to teach the history we've lived through!= --part1_12d.36cbbe58.2d0a547f_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 23:19:13 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:19:13 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154007954_1329941 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable On 12/11/03 4:32 PM, "Dirk Kingerske" wrote: > well, i don't know about schools in the U.S. ...., but isn't it normal t= hat > kids are talking during class... or is it only when I am teaching????? >=20 > =20 >=20 > dr dirk >=20 Not only is it normal for kids to talk a bit, but shit..he was in MUSIC class..he was singing Killing Joke songs and playing =B3drums=B2 on his desk top. The teacher just wanted them quiet while they listened to Chanukah songs.=20 Kids usually talk when they are bored, too...hahaha Just kidding...no really... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154007954_1329941 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? On 12/11/03 4:32 PM, &q= uot;Dirk Kingerske" <dirkingerske@hotmail.com> wrote:

well, i don't know about schools in the U.S. ...., but isn't  it nor= mal that kids are talking during class... or is it only when I am teaching??= ???

 

dr dirk

Not only is it normal for kids to talk a bit, but shit..he was in MUSIC = class..he was singing Killing Joke songs and playing “drums” on = his desk top. The teacher just wanted them quiet while they listened to Chan= ukah songs.

Kids usually talk when they are bored, too...hahaha Just kidding...no reall= y...


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"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3154007954_1329941-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 23:20:59 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:20:59 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? In-Reply-To: <12d.36cbbe58.2d0a547f@aol.com> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154008060_1340400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 12/11/03 5:15 PM, "GregSlawson@aol.com" wrote: > No, I'm a teacher (special ed) too, and kids love to talk. However, I've > burned copies of the new KJ cd for several students (the ones into punk, > metal, goth) and they've been very appreciative! I think they know the truth > when they hear it. Another student, who has not hear the album, walked into my > room today as I was listening to Joe Strummer's masterpeice, "Streetcore". He > asked me if this was by the guy who became a priest for a joke (remember that > interview? It made it's way around my classroom). I replied, "No, that's my > other favorite group). > > > > > > Each one teach one--we elders have to teach the history we've lived through! > > > That was abso-fuking-lutely beautiful, man...I could not have said it > better...hammer meet nail head! KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154008060_1340400 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? On 12/11/03 5:15 PM, &q= uot;GregSlawson@aol.com" <GregSlawson@aol.com> wrote:

No, I'm a teacher (special ed) too, and kids love to talk. However, I've bu= rned copies of the new KJ cd for several students (the ones into punk, metal= , goth) and they've been very appreciative! I think they know the truth when= they hear it. Another student, who has not hear the album, walked into my r= oom today as I was listening to Joe Strummer's masterpeice, "Streetcore= ". He asked me if this was by the guy who became a priest for a joke (r= emember that interview? It made it's way around my classroom). I replied, &q= uot;No, that's my other favorite group).




Each one teach one--we elders have to teach the history we've lived through= !



That was abso-fuking-lutely beautiful, man...I could not have said it bette= r...hammer meet nail head!


KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
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THE WEBMASTER,
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WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

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 --B_3154008060_1340400-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 11 23:09:47 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (fat potanga) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:09:47 +0000 Subject: [kj] wardance/crossed b@llocks Message-ID: >Please tell me you didn't cross your bollocks! My brother once twisted his testicles and assures me it's a rather unpleasant experience (one we refer to as his 'twist and shout' episode) which resulted in him going under the knife to untangle them. He was a student at Cambridge when it happened and decided the most sensible and best way to travel the 4 miles to hospital, in muchly testicular agony was on his bicycle. The mind boggles... Still, Mrs Fatpotanga's a clever woman, is a senior manager at one of the biggest outdoor clothing companies in Europe and she comes out with: "if dinosaurs became extinct millions of years ago, how do people know what they were called?" I'm very proud. _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 00:25:39 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Antoni Adamiak) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:25:39 -0000 Subject: [kj] KJHBJL References: <20031211133640.10106.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a101c3c046$78db7d80$4a5c08c3@mydomain.com> Honey Bane ? Yep, Donna and the Kebabs on the You Can Be You EP ... also singer of the Fatal Microbes ... with Pete Fender (guitar), Gemma Stone (bass) and Sid Ation (drums) all which became Rubella Ballet if my memory serves me correct. * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * ----- Original Message ----- From: "foolscircle9ways" To: Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [kj] KJHBJL > Fingers, and toes, and eyes... > > While on subject, wasn't HB kicking about with CRASS at about same time? Some poor neglected corner of my mind is asking why I'm getting kicked to death in a London pedestrian subway. Violence grows? Any takers? > > Stuart > From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 01:29:31 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (foolscircle9ways) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:29:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] KJHBJL In-Reply-To: <00a101c3c046$78db7d80$4a5c08c3@mydomain.com> Message-ID: <20031212012931.49780.qmail@web10009.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1666280733-1071192571=:49386 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Antoni, Many thanks for that, linked way down memory lane there... Stuart Antoni Adamiak wrote: Honey Bane ? Yep, Donna and the Kebabs on the You Can Be You EP ... also singer of the Fatal Microbes ... with Pete Fender (guitar), Gemma Stone (bass) and Sid Ation (drums) all which became Rubella Ballet if my memory serves me correct. * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * ----- Original Message ----- From: "foolscircle9ways" To: Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [kj] KJHBJL > Fingers, and toes, and eyes... > > While on subject, wasn't HB kicking about with CRASS at about same time? Some poor neglected corner of my mind is asking why I'm getting kicked to death in a London pedestrian subway. Violence grows? Any takers? > > Stuart > _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering If you're not living on the edge you're taking up too much room. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --0-1666280733-1071192571=:49386 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Antoni,
Many thanks for that, linked way down memory lane there...
 
Stuart

Antoni Adamiak <antoni@clara.net> wrote:
Honey Bane ? Yep, Donna and the Kebabs on the You Can Be You EP ... also
singer of the Fatal Microbes ... with Pete Fender (guitar), Gemma Stone
(bass) and Sid Ation (drums) all which became Rubella Ballet if my memory
serves me correct.

* http://home.clara.net/antoni/ *

----- Original Message -----
From: "foolscircle9ways"
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] KJHBJL


> Fingers, and toes, and eyes...
>
> While on subject, wasn't HB kicking about with CRASS at about same time?
Some poor neglected corner of my mind is asking why I'm getting kicked to
death in a London pedestrian subway. Violence grows? Any takers?
>
> Stuart
>


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New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --0-1666280733-1071192571=:49386-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 06:39:40 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Leigh Newton) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:39:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? In-Reply-To: <200312112233.hBBMX4oU026368@basil.jkm.net> Message-ID: <20031212063940.45336.qmail@web10407.mail.yahoo.com> They should at least start with contemporary stuff, then gradually show how it relates to Classical and what have you. They should also ask the kids to do a little presentation on their favourite band or musician and have them explain why they like them and stuff. that would be fun and interesting. Leigh --- Amy Moseley Rupp wrote: > Hey Jester, > > I *just* filled out a six-page essay survey on the > school my > eldest attends -- grade 5. She's been at this > school since > third grade, so I have some multi-year experience. > > My comment on both social studies and music was to > ditch all > the classical and folk stuff and concentrate on the > present, > cos that's all kids this age give a damn about. If > music > is only listening to and playing this older music, > the kids > aren't even going to take band/orchestra/choir in > middle > school and beyond, and that's a tragedy. IMHO > they've plenty > of time to get into classical & folk in high school > -- you > need to hook them on music *early* though, and > letting them > play KJ or Britney or whatever the fuck turns them > on is > what will do it, not even Christmas carols. > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ===== http://www.daiquiri.tvheaven.com http://www.tweek.tvheaven.com http://www.mp3.com/tweek http://www.mp3.com/green_lung __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 06:46:26 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:46:26 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? In-Reply-To: <20031212063940.45336.qmail@web10407.mail.yahoo.com> from "Leigh Newton" at Dec 11, 2003 10:39:40 PM Message-ID: <200312120646.hBC6kQRC001185@basil.jkm.net> > They should at least start with contemporary stuff, > then gradually show how it relates to Classical and > what have you. They should also ask the kids to do a > little presentation on their favourite band or > musician and have them explain why they like them and > stuff. that would be fun and interesting. Yup. But Texas is renowned for its repressive and anachronistic teaching. A teacher *has* to stick with curriculum approved by the local district which in turn *has* to be approved by the state. Since we have such a large population (especially of children) the textbook companies write their books to please the fundamentalists who sit on the state textbook committee. These textbooks are then foisted off on other smaller states without the power to get less draconian versions. Of course, this only got worse under Bush, and it ain't going to get better any time soon. It's funny: the *real* fundamentalists homeschool their kids cos they say the schools are too liberal for teaching about sex and body parts (GASP!) and the real liberals homeschool because the schools' curriculum is too rigid and conservative. Those who can't homeschool (eg have one parent stay home and teach), and those in the middle, are the ones who attend public (state-sponsored) schools. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 06:52:52 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:52:52 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? In-Reply-To: <20031212063940.45336.qmail@web10407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well, for first graders, what we use to do, was this. The teacher would get off her arse, go to the piano, and would actually teach us different songs. She would play the piano, we would sing along, with lyric sheets, that also included sheet music. We also talked about what our parents and other family member listened to, and what we liked....very much like what you suggested here. They go in, sit down, teacher tells them time to play the quiet game, and hits the play button on a ghetto blaster, and they listen to music. Would be like going to art class, and watching Bob Ross video's and getting in trouble if you dare try and finger paint. He got bored, and started singing a song. She yelled at him and sent him to the corner in class. Yeah, I have serious issues with her teaching methods. On 12/12/03 12:39 AM, "Leigh Newton" wrote: > They should at least start with contemporary stuff, > then gradually show how it relates to Classical and > what have you. They should also ask the kids to do a > little presentation on their favourite band or > musician and have them explain why they like them and > stuff. that would be fun and interesting. > > Leigh > > --- Amy Moseley Rupp wrote: >> Hey Jester, >> >> I *just* filled out a six-page essay survey on the >> school my >> eldest attends -- grade 5. She's been at this >> school since >> third grade, so I have some multi-year experience. >> >> My comment on both social studies and music was to >> ditch all >> the classical and folk stuff and concentrate on the >> present, >> cos that's all kids this age give a damn about. If >> music >> is only listening to and playing this older music, >> the kids >> aren't even going to take band/orchestra/choir in >> middle >> school and beyond, and that's a tragedy. IMHO >> they've plenty >> of time to get into classical & folk in high school >> -- you >> need to hook them on music *early* though, and >> letting them >> play KJ or Britney or whatever the fuck turns them >> on is >> what will do it, not even Christmas carols. >> _______________________________________________ >> Gathering mailing list >> Gathering@misera.net >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > ===== > http://www.daiquiri.tvheaven.com > http://www.tweek.tvheaven.com > http://www.mp3.com/tweek > http://www.mp3.com/green_lung > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 07:03:23 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 01:03:23 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? In-Reply-To: <200312120646.hBC6kQRC001185@basil.jkm.net> Message-ID: Oh, don=B9t even get me started on how repressed it is here. Real fast about that. ....I was almost suspended from high school during my freshman year, for doing a charcoal of David. It showed a penis. Something administrators here obviously have never seen before. I wound up transferring to an art school after that. But that isn't even the problem I have in all this. It is the fact that in actuality, Seth could teach that class. He could walk in with a stack of cassette tapes and cd's and tell everyone to be quiet, and hit play. That isn't learning music. That is playing music on a ghetto blaster. Learning music is a bit more hands on. What is going on in this class is completely hands off. Just completely fucking lazy on the teachers part. On 12/12/03 12:46 AM, "Amy Moseley Rupp" wrote: >> They should at least start with contemporary stuff, >> then gradually show how it relates to Classical and >> what have you. They should also ask the kids to do a >> little presentation on their favourite band or >> musician and have them explain why they like them and >> stuff. that would be fun and interesting. >=20 > Yup. But Texas is renowned for its repressive and > anachronistic teaching. A teacher *has* to stick > with curriculum approved by the local district which > in turn *has* to be approved by the state. Since we > have such a large population (especially of children) > the textbook companies write their books to please > the fundamentalists who sit on the state textbook > committee. These textbooks are then foisted off on > other smaller states without the power to get less > draconian versions. >=20 > Of course, this only got worse under Bush, and it > ain't going to get better any time soon. It's > funny: the *real* fundamentalists homeschool their > kids cos they say the schools are too liberal for > teaching about sex and body parts (GASP!) and the > real liberals homeschool because the schools' > curriculum is too rigid and conservative. Those > who can't homeschool (eg have one parent stay > home and teach), and those in the middle, are the > ones who attend public (state-sponsored) schools. > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >=20 >=20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 08:45:17 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:45:17 +0100 Subject: [kj] chat? Message-ID: someone up for a bit of chat? http://www.killing-joke.com/chat/ From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 09:51:38 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:51:38 -0000 Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? References: Message-ID: <001d01c3c095$8d994c80$3d086851@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C3C095.8952F040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jester=20 To: Gathering=20 Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:26 PM Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? Ok, so I go to pick my son, Seth, up from school today. About two = months ago, he tested out of kindergarten, and into first grade. Endless = doses of the Joke no doubt had some influence over that :) Well, I read his weekly progress report, and it comes to my attention, = via a personal note, that Seth is having issues with "excessive talking" = in music class. So, I question him as to why he has been talking so = much. His response was "it is boring, and I couldn't help myself."=20 Boring? Music class? Wait a minute...this is public school were = talking about, lets hear this one. So I ask him what they did. Reenact the class for me.=20 I am still laughing at the absurdity of the whole thing...here = goes.... The class goes into the room, and sits down. The teacher then comes = in, says "the quiet game starts now", then put in a cassette tape of = Chanukah music, and they sit there. For an hour. Listening to Chanukah = music. Jewish Christmas Carols, as it were. In a public school. = Wait..no... that's another story... separation of church and = state...leave that one for another day, the heretic that I am. Well, itr is widely known at the school that Seth is pretty severe = ADD/ADHD. We are in the process of finalizing treatment plans, and have = informed all his teachers of the situation, so they have a better = understanding of what to expect. It is also widely know, that Seth needs = to be challenged in class, or he WILL get bored and start talking, or = something else. So, in this situation, what does he do? What he thought = was completely and totally appropriate for the class. He begins drumming = and singing Pandemonium in class. Thus, the cause of the note and him = being in trouble. Normally, I would not be so chapped at the teaching = staff, but shit. This is MUSIC class. She provided them with no lyric = sheets for the music they were playing, do not discuss the songs or what = they mean, they have learned no musical instruments, or nothing. They = play the quiet game most days, and listen to tapes and cd's. Shit, Seth = could do a better job of teaching that class. At least he was making his = own music.=20 So now, I get to write his music teacher, home teacher, and his = principal and set up conferences. Not only am I not happy with the fact = he is called out in music class for GASP making music, but also, the = kids are all being fucked by getting NOTHING from that class. Fucking = public schools... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!=20 OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows = or Gates?" sounds like its time for ,killing joke juniors,ars there any potential = jaz, geordie and ravens in seth s class? ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C3C095.8952F040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school?
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jester
Sent: Thursday, December 11, = 2003 10:26=20 PM
Subject: [kj] OT:Not so = OT...trouble with=20 kids or school?

Ok, so I go to=20 pick my son, Seth, up from school today. About two months ago, he = tested out=20 of kindergarten, and into first grade. Endless doses of the Joke no = doubt had=20 some influence over that :)

Well, I read his weekly progress = report,=20 and it comes to my attention, via a personal note, that Seth is having = issues=20 with =93excessive talking=94 in music class. So, I question him as to = why he has=20 been talking so much. His response was =93it is boring, and I = couldn=92t help=20 myself.=94

Boring? Music class? Wait a minute...this is public = school=20 were talking about, lets hear this one.

So I ask him what they = did.=20 Reenact the class for me.

I am still laughing at the absurdity = of the=20 whole thing...here goes....

The class goes into the room, and = sits=20 down. The teacher then comes in, says =93the quiet game starts now=94, = then put in=20 a cassette tape of Chanukah music, and they sit there. For an hour. = Listening=20 to Chanukah music. Jewish Christmas Carols, as it were. In a public = school.=20 Wait..no... that's another story... separation of church and = state...leave=20 that one for another day, the heretic that I am.

Well, itr is = widely=20 known at the school that Seth is pretty severe ADD/ADHD. We are in the = process=20 of finalizing treatment plans, and have informed all his teachers of = the=20 situation, so they have a better understanding of what to expect. It = is also=20 widely know, that Seth needs to be challenged in class, or he WILL get = bored=20 and start talking, or something else. So, in this situation, what does = he do?=20 What he thought was completely and totally appropriate for the class. = He=20 begins drumming and singing Pandemonium in class. Thus, the cause of = the note=20 and him being in trouble. Normally, I would not be so chapped at the = teaching=20 staff, but shit. This is MUSIC class. She provided them with no lyric = sheets=20 for the music they were playing, do not discuss the songs or what they = mean,=20 they have learned no musical instruments, or nothing. They play the = quiet game=20 most days, and listen to tapes and cd=92s. Shit, Seth could do a = better job of=20 teaching that class. At least he was making his own music.

So = now, I=20 get to write his music teacher, home teacher, and his principal and = set up=20 conferences. Not only am I not happy with the fact he is called out in = music=20 class for GASP making music, but also, the kids are all being = fucked by=20 getting NOTHING from that class. Fucking public = schools...

KEEPING=20 THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER, =
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20

There is no=20 place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what = use do=20 we have for Windows or Gates?"
sounds like = its time for=20 ,killing joke juniors,ars there any potential jaz, geordie and ravens = in seth=20 s  class? ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C3C095.8952F040-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 12:07:37 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:07:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? Message-ID: <7661664.1071230857299.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> We did this when we were aged 15/16 at my school (good old state comprehensive). I took in the Change/Requiem 12" and the whole class had to listen to it at top volume. Afterwards, all the teacher could say was, "so, you like... repetitive music?" N > >They should also ask the kids to do a > little presentation on their favourite band or > musician and have them explain why they like them and > stuff. that would be fun and interesting. > > Leigh -- 'Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum' -- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 12:11:06 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Phillipps Marc) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:11:06 -0000 Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? Message-ID: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1CE@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> >We did this when we were aged 15/16 at my school (good old >state comprehensive). I took in the Change/Requiem 12" and the whole >class had to listen to it at top volume To my shame, when we did that I took Tom Sawyer by Rush (kill me now) Marc. > -----Original Message----- > From: neilfperry@btinternet.com [SMTP:neilfperry@btinternet.com] > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:08 PM > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? > > We did this when we were aged 15/16 at my school (good old > state comprehensive). I took in the Change/Requiem 12" and the whole > class had to listen to it at top volume. Afterwards, all the teacher could > say > was, "so, you like... repetitive music?" > N > > > > > >They should also ask the kids to do a > > little presentation on their favourite band or > > musician and have them explain why they like them and > > stuff. that would be fun and interesting. > > > > Leigh > > > > > -- 'Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum' -- > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 12:19:10 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mik raven) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:19:10 +0000 Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? In-Reply-To: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1CE@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> References: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1CE@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> Message-ID: <1071231550.3fd9b23ed5171@netmail.pipex.net> Played Nagasaki Nightmare by Crass to the full year assembly! Mik Quoting Phillipps Marc : > >We did this when we were aged 15/16 at my school (good old > >state comprehensive). I took in the Change/Requiem 12" and the whole > >class had to listen to it at top volume > > To my shame, when we did that I took Tom Sawyer by Rush (kill me now) > > Marc. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: neilfperry@btinternet.com [SMTP:neilfperry@btinternet.com] > > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:08 PM > > To: gathering@misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? > > > > We did this when we were aged 15/16 at my school (good old > > state comprehensive). I took in the Change/Requiem 12" and the whole > > class had to listen to it at top volume. Afterwards, all the teacher could > > say > > was, "so, you like... repetitive music?" > > N > > > > > > > > > >They should also ask the kids to do a > > > little presentation on their favourite band or > > > musician and have them explain why they like them and > > > stuff. that would be fun and interesting. > > > > > > Leigh > > > > > > > > > > -- 'Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum' -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally > privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you > are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of > distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within > is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and > destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any > liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This > communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet Enfield > & Haringey Health Communities. > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > -- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 13:09:39 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:09:39 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? Message-ID: <57DD3179.0A6AA3A6.398839F0@aol.com> When I was in hs (about the time KJ got started), there was a very strange kid--looked dirty and dishevelled, wouldn't look you in the eye, etc. To get attention he would walk into a speech class, which was held in an auditorium. He would go on the stage and play stuff like Devo, even smashing a wooden guitar (made in shop class) on stage. The best time was when he played the cover of "Satisfaction" by the Residents (if you haven't heard it, it is the most grating and bizzare thing ever recorded). THe class was left speechless. I was kind of fascinated. This was the first time I heard about punk and stuff. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 13:14:56 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dirk Kingerske) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:14:56 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? -successful conditioning! Message-ID:




Today I experienced a second of success: I played The Commitments by Alan Parker to my English class (16-year-olds) and at the last gig, when the manager of the band is waiting for his special guest two of my students cried out KILLING JOKE when they saw the graffiti scrawled on the wall...... locate - subvert - terminate

 

dirk

>From: mik raven
>Reply-To: gathering@misera.net
>To: gathering@misera.net
>Subject: RE: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school?
>Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:19:10 +0000
>
>Played Nagasaki Nightmare by Crass to the full year assembly!
>
>
>Mik
>
>Quoting Phillipps Marc :
>
> > >We did this when we were aged 15/16 at my school (good old
> > >state comprehensive). I took in the Change/Requiem 12" and the whole
> > >class had to listen to it at top volume
> >
> > To my shame, when we did that I took Tom Sawyer by Rush (kill me now)
> >
> > Marc.
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: neilfperry@btinternet.com [SMTP:neilfperry@btinternet.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:08 PM
> > > To: gathering@misera.net
> > > Subject: Re: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school?
> > >
> > > We did this when we were aged 15/16 at my school (good old
> > > state comprehensive). I took in the Change/Requiem 12" and the whole
> > > class had to listen to it at top volume. Afterwards, all the teacher could
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5 neue Buddies = 50 FreeSMS. Hier klicken - der Countdown läuft! FreeSMS abräumen mit dem MSN Messenger. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 13:16:18 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (foolscircle9ways) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 05:16:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? In-Reply-To: <1071231550.3fd9b23ed5171@netmail.pipex.net> Message-ID: <20031212131618.222.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> --0-187873895-1071234978=:96744 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Deep Respect! mik raven wrote:Played Nagasaki Nightmare by Crass to the full year assembly! Mik Quoting Phillipps Marc : > >We did this when we were aged 15/16 at my school (good old > >state comprehensive). I took in the Change/Requiem 12" and the whole > >class had to listen to it at top volume > > To my shame, when we did that I took Tom Sawyer by Rush (kill me now) > > Marc. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: neilfperry@btinternet.com [SMTP:neilfperry@btinternet.com] > > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:08 PM > > To: gathering@misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? > > > > We did this when we were aged 15/16 at my school (good old > > state comprehensive). I took in the Change/Requiem 12" and the whole > > class had to listen to it at top volume. Afterwards, all the teacher could > > say > > was, "so, you like... repetitive music?" > > N > > > > > > > > > >They should also ask the kids to do a > > > little presentation on their favourite band or > > > musician and have them explain why they like them and > > > stuff. that would be fun and interesting. > > > > > > Leigh > > > > > > > > > > -- 'Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum' -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally > privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you > are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of > distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within > is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and > destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any > liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This > communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet Enfield > & Haringey Health Communities. > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > -- _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering If you're not living on the edge you're taking up too much room. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --0-187873895-1071234978=:96744 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Deep Respect!

mik raven <mik.raven@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
Played Nagasaki Nightmare by Crass to the full year assembly!


Mik

Quoting Phillipps Marc :

> >We did this when we were aged 15/16 at my school (good old
> >state comprehensive). I took in the Change/Requiem 12" and the whole
> >class had to listen to it at top volume
>
> To my shame, when we did that I took Tom Sawyer by Rush (kill me now)
>
> Marc.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: neilfperry@btinternet.com [SMTP:neilfperry@btinternet.com]
> > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:08 PM
> > To: gathering@misera.net
> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school?
> >
> > We did this when we were aged 15/16 at my school (good old
> > state comprehensive). I took in the Change/Requiem 12" and the whole
> > class had to listen to it at top volume. Afterwards, all the teacher could
> > say
> > was, "so, you like... repetitive music?"
> > N
> >
> >
> > >
> > >They should also ask the kids to do a
> > > little presentation on their favourite band or
> > > musician and have them explain why they like them and
> > > stuff. that would be fun and interesting.
> > >
> > > Leigh
> >
> >
> >
> >
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New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --0-187873895-1071234978=:96744-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 13:22:50 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (foolscircle9ways) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 05:22:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? In-Reply-To: <7661664.1071230857299.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <20031212132250.989.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1296068996-1071235370=:538 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii We had a class like that. One of the kids played "The Scream" by the Banshees. I've never been the same since, bless 'im. S neilfperry@btinternet.com wrote: We did this when we were aged 15/16 at my school (good old state comprehensive). I took in the Change/Requiem 12" and the whole class had to listen to it at top volume. Afterwards, all the teacher could say was, "so, you like... repetitive music?" N > >They should also ask the kids to do a > little presentation on their favourite band or > musician and have them explain why they like them and > stuff. that would be fun and interesting. > > Leigh -- 'Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum' -- _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering If you're not living on the edge you're taking up too much room. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --0-1296068996-1071235370=:538 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
We had a class like that. One of the kids played "The Scream" by the Banshees. I've never been the same since, bless 'im.
 
S

neilfperry@btinternet.com wrote:
We did this when we were aged 15/16 at my school (good old
state comprehensive). I took in the Change/Requiem 12" and the whole
class had to listen to it at top volume. Afterwards, all the teacher could say
was, "so, you like... repetitive music?"
N


>
>They should also ask the kids to do a
> little presentation on their favourite band or
> musician and have them explain why they like them and
> stuff. that would be fun and interesting.
>
> Leigh




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New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --0-1296068996-1071235370=:538-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 13:34:48 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:34:48 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? -successful conditioning! Message-ID: <20031212133449.DORC19873.amsfep18-int.chello.nl@localhost> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1071236088998_.bqNcWcda= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bless them and stuff them with creditpoints! Matt > > van: "Dirk Kingerske" > datum: 2003/12/12 vr PM 02:14:56 CET > aan: gathering@misera.net > onderwerp: RE: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? -successful conditioning! > > ------=____1071236088998_.bqNcWcda= Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply"




Today I experienced a second of success: I played The Commitments by Alan Parker to my English class (16-year-olds) and at the last gig, when the manager of the band is waiting for his special guest two of my students cried out KILLING JOKE when they saw the graffiti scrawled on the wall...... locate - subvert - terminate

 

dirk

>From: mik raven
>Reply-To: gathering@misera.net
>To: gathering@misera.net
>Subject: RE: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school?
>Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:19:10 +0000
>
>Played Nagasaki Nightmare by Crass to the full year assembly!
>
>
>Mik
>
>Quoting Phillipps Marc :
>
> > >We did this when we were aged 15/16 at my school (good old
> > >state comprehensive). I took in the Change/Requiem 12" and the whole
> > >class had to listen to it at top volume
> >
> > To my shame, when we did that I took Tom Sawyer by Rush (kill me now)
> >
> > Marc.
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: neilfperry@btinternet.com [SMTP:neilfperry@btinternet.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:08 PM
> > > To: gathering@misera.net
> > > Subject: Re: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school?
> > >
> > > We did this when we were aged 15/16 at my school (good old
> > > state comprehensive). I took in the Change/Requiem 12" and the whole
> > > class had to listen to it at top volume. Afterwards, all the teacher could
> > > say
> > > was, "so, you like... repetitive music?"
> > > N
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >They should also ask the kids to do a
> > > > little presentation on their favourite band or
> > > > musician and have them explain why they like them and
> > > > stuff. that would be fun and interesting.
> > > >
> > > > Leigh
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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5 neue Buddies = 50 FreeSMS. Hier klicken - der Countdown l?uft! FreeSMS abr?umen mit dem MSN Messenger. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------=____1071236088998_.bqNcWcda=-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 14:15:08 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Leigh Newton) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 06:15:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? In-Reply-To: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1CE@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> Message-ID: <20031212141508.36760.qmail@web10412.mail.yahoo.com> I did a Syd Barrett song one year and then something from John Zorn's elegy the following year which made everyone pretty uncomfortable. And Tom Sawyer is about the only Rush song I cotton to, but i think it's pretty sweet. Don't tell me you don't still smile when the synth solo thingy comes in in the middle. Leigh --- Phillipps Marc wrote: > >We did this when we were aged 15/16 at my school > (good old > >state comprehensive). I took in the Change/Requiem > 12" and the whole > >class had to listen to it at top volume > > To my shame, when we did that I took Tom Sawyer by > Rush (kill me now) > > Marc. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: neilfperry@btinternet.com > [SMTP:neilfperry@btinternet.com] > > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:08 PM > > To: gathering@misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids > or school? > > > > We did this when we were aged 15/16 at my school > (good old > > state comprehensive). I took in the Change/Requiem > 12" and the whole > > class had to listen to it at top volume. > Afterwards, all the teacher could > > say > > was, "so, you like... repetitive music?" > > N > > > > > > > > > >They should also ask the kids to do a > > > little presentation on their favourite band or > > > musician and have them explain why they like > them and > > > stuff. that would be fun and interesting. > > > > > > Leigh > > > > > > > > > > -- 'Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum' > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > This communication may contain information that is > confidential and legally > privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the > intended recipient(s). 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Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 16:17:53 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Javier Garcia) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:17:53 -0500 Subject: [kj] kj sound alikes-Vulva Boy Message-ID: I'm very courious, sound like really good stuff, it would be great if you could mp3 some songs. On other topic, some gatherer sent months ago a link to mp3's of a band named Vulva Boy, great stuff!!! are there more mp3's?!?!? There's also this band named Oxes who sound similar to Vulva Boy but with more Shellac/The Jesus Lizard influences. Another really good band i just discovered (DC area too i guess) are these guys named Pines of Nowhere, one of the members is also in Trans Am. Pretty good!!, some sort of weird hardcore/punk a la Nomeansno. Javier mexcity --------- Original Message --------- DATE: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 14:11:00 From: P Bernardi To: gathering@misera.net Cc: >That Empire reissue is a must have. Fantastic stuff. The whole DC >dischord scene loves them. > >fluwdot@earthlink.net wrote: > >>just bought the reissue "Empire" cd "expensive sound" - bob derwood andrew's post >>gen X band. >> >>really great stuff, especially the guitar. not much like killing joke but way ahead of >>it's time just the same >> >>however on one song - "Empire" - derwood's guitar sounds uncannily like mid 80's G >>walker...and some bpf style toms too. >> >>could mp3 if anyone wants a listen >>_______________________________________________ >>Gathering mailing list >>Gathering@misera.net >>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > ____________________________________________________________ Free Poetry Contest. Win $10,000. Submit your poem @ Poetry.com! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6750922;3807821;l?http://www.poetry.com/contest/contest.asp?Suite=A59101 From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 17:00:30 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:00:30 -0000 Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? Message-ID: <7D368CED82B7A44FAB699FBB41CC92120586436D@i2km02-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net> My old headmaster used to play TOYAH WILCOX in assembly. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 17:00:57 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (n0153) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:00:57 -0200 Subject: [kj] ot: help (english writers) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: thanks to all of you who replied! n0 From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 18:44:35 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bo Krogsgaard) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:44:35 +0100 Subject: [kj] kj sound alikes-Vulva Boy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3FDA1AA3.29667.C29B602@localhost> On 12 Dec 2003 at 11:17, Javier Garcia wrote: > On other topic, some gatherer sent months ago a link to mp3's of a band named Vulva Boy, great stuff!!! are there more mp3's?!?!? There's also this band named Oxes who sound similar to Vulva Boy but with more Shellac/The Jesus Lizard influences. No, there is only that nine track album,sadly. They are talking about getting back together for another session but so far it has only been talk, since one of the three moved west coast and another joined the old Confessor drummer in Loincloth. Glad you like them though, i think they fucking rock :) b From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 19:08:51 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:08:51 EST Subject: [KJ] Camden mirrored here... Message-ID: <1cd.15e90e9e.2d0b6c43@aol.com> --part1_1cd.15e90e9e.2d0b6c43_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hows it going with your web problems? Colin. --part1_1cd.15e90e9e.2d0b6c43_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hows it going with your web problems?

Colin. --part1_1cd.15e90e9e.2d0b6c43_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 19:15:15 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mark Kolmar) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:15:15 -0600 Subject: [kj] c.1981 9 tracks live In-Reply-To: <1cd.15e90e9e.2d0b6c43@aol.com> References: <1cd.15e90e9e.2d0b6c43@aol.com> Message-ID: <3FDA13C3.6050800@burningrome.com> Forgot to label this gig that was up for download recently: 01WARD~1 MP3 4,670,276 12-03-03 9:26p 01Wardance.mp3 02FALL MP3 4,012,826 12-03-03 9:30p 02Fall.mp3 03EXIT MP3 2,463,451 12-03-03 9:33p 03Exit.mp3 04WAIT MP3 3,323,193 12-03-03 9:37p 04Wait.mp3 05REQU~1 MP3 2,975,869 12-03-03 9:40p 05Requiem.mp3 06UNSP~1 MP3 4,199,236 12-03-03 9:44p 06Unspeakable.mp3 07BLOO~1 MP3 2,994,260 12-03-03 9:47p 07Bloodsport.mp3 08CHANGE MP3 3,685,982 12-03-03 9:51p 08Change.mp3 09PSYCHE MP3 4,816,144 12-03-03 9:55p 09Psyche.mp3 Where and when was it? Is that the whole thing? Anyone else need it? --Mark From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 19:20:51 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Tim Bucknall) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:20:51 -0000 Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? References: <7D368CED82B7A44FAB699FBB41CC92120586436D@i2km02-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net> Message-ID: <00ed01c3c0e5$104c3760$36d08351@mycomputer> mine used to play the boomtown rats! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 5:00 PM Subject: RE: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? My old headmaster used to play TOYAH WILCOX in assembly. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 19:46:21 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Ford Prefect) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:46:21 -0000 Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? References: <7D368CED82B7A44FAB699FBB41CC92120586436D@i2km02-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net> <00ed01c3c0e5$104c3760$36d08351@mycomputer> Message-ID: <001401c3c0e8$9efb2270$d31a9151@sn7212787026> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3C0E8.9DEFCCF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable my headmaster would play the field...lost his job for it graham ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tim Bucknall=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? mine used to play the boomtown rats! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 5:00 PM Subject: RE: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? My old headmaster used to play TOYAH WILCOX in assembly. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3C0E8.9DEFCCF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
my headmaster would = play the=20 field...lost his job for it
 
 
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mine used to play the boomtown rats!

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http://four.= pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3C0E8.9DEFCCF0-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 21:22:45 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (foolscircle9ways) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:22:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? In-Reply-To: <00ed01c3c0e5$104c3760$36d08351@mycomputer> Message-ID: <20031212212245.45877.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> --0-438553825-1071264165=:45091 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I hope you fucking poisoned the vermin! Tim Bucknall wrote:mine used to play the boomtown rats! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 5:00 PM Subject: RE: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? My old headmaster used to play TOYAH WILCOX in assembly. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering If you're not living on the edge you're taking up too much room. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --0-438553825-1071264165=:45091 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I hope you fucking poisoned the vermin!

Tim Bucknall <timbucknall@killing-joke.com> wrote:
mine used to play the boomtown rats!

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New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --0-438553825-1071264165=:45091-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 21:27:22 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:27:22 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? Message-ID: <200312122127.hBCLR8gt015849@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> "They should at least start with contemporary stuff, then gradually show how it relates to Classical and what have you. They should also ask the kids to do a little presentation on their favourite band or musician and have them explain why they like them and stuff. that would be fun and interesting." This is sorta related to the topic, so I'll chime this in.....My newphew just turned ten this past month, and I was on the phone with his mother (my sister) asking what he'd like as a gift from his uncle to celebrate this momentous occaision (now enterting the realm of the double-didgits). Victoria informs me that Whalen (his name) has abandoned the world of Tech-Deck Dudes and Spongebob Squarepants and is swiftly becoming very interested in music. "Oh really!" I remark, "what sort've stuff is he into?" "Well," she answers, "He's quite into Good Charlotte." After I drop the phone, spit on the floor and pick the phone up again, I ask what sort've gift would be suitable (not wanting to get him a disc he already has, and secretly not wanting to have to actually go pay for a Good Charlotte compact disc). "Oh, he's got their albums already," she answers (imagine my relief), "but I'm sure there's lots of other things he'd like in the same vein." So, after lots of hemming and hawwwing, I decided to get him a cool CD carrying case (not the zipper-book kind, but a sleek metal case that neatly carries up to sixty compact discs in their jewel boxes). I also got him started with a few basics and a few things he'd be likely to enjoy (being, unfortunately, a Good Charlotte afficianado): first album by the Clash, NEVERMIND THE BOLLOCKS by the Sex Pistols, RAMONES MANIA by the Ramones, COLLECTION I by the Misfits, the latest Green Day best- of, the fist album by Operation Ivy, REVOLVER by the Beatles and, just for laughs, the latest Killing Joke album.....all of which he'll either learn to like, loathe or entirely ignore. He seemed very pleased, though (especially when I warned him which tracks were "headphones ONLY" tracks -- i.e. the ones with dirty words in'em.) Someone else had suggested that one's "first concert" is always something they'll remember, so that got me thinkin' that the Firewater show (last week) would be a fun show for that.....but the propensity for boozey shenanigans sort've talked me out of that. Also, I the F'water show was not an "all-ager". More to the point, the boy lives in Rye, New York, and....being that he's still just ten....he doesn't generally get to stay up that late. Clearly, the plan was flawwed. But, I'll get him to a show sooner or later. Alex in NYC ---------- >From: amyr@jump.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? >Date: Fri, Dec 12, 2003, 1:46 AM > >> They should at least start with contemporary stuff, >> then gradually show how it relates to Classical and >> what have you. They should also ask the kids to do a >> little presentation on their favourite band or >> musician and have them explain why they like them and >> stuff. that would be fun and interesting. > >Yup. But Texas is renowned for its repressive and >anachronistic teaching. A teacher *has* to stick >with curriculum approved by the local district which >in turn *has* to be approved by the state. Since we >have such a large population (especially of children) >the textbook companies write their books to please >the fundamentalists who sit on the state textbook >committee. These textbooks are then foisted off on >other smaller states without the power to get less >draconian versions. > >Of course, this only got worse under Bush, and it >ain't going to get better any time soon. It's >funny: the *real* fundamentalists homeschool their >kids cos they say the schools are too liberal for >teaching about sex and body parts (GASP!) and the >real liberals homeschool because the schools' >curriculum is too rigid and conservative. Those >who can't homeschool (eg have one parent stay >home and teach), and those in the middle, are the >ones who attend public (state-sponsored) schools. >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 21:27:12 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (foolscircle9ways) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:27:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? In-Reply-To: <7D368CED82B7A44FAB699FBB41CC92120586436D@i2km02-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net> Message-ID: <20031212212712.46652.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> --0-227469611-1071264432=:45085 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It's a mystery... lisa.gannon@bt.com wrote:My old headmaster used to play TOYAH WILCOX in assembly. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering If you're not living on the edge you're taking up too much room. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --0-227469611-1071264432=:45085 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
It's a mystery...

lisa.gannon@bt.com wrote:
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New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --0-227469611-1071264432=:45085-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 21:36:22 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Antoni Adamiak) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:36:22 -0000 Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? References: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1CE@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> <1071231550.3fd9b23ed5171@netmail.pipex.net> Message-ID: <001001c3c0f7$fd6dea40$7f5c08c3@mydomain.com> Back in 1982 being one of only 5 boys par-taking in a school 6th form integration experiment, I once synch'd to Discharge's "Realities Of War" onstage at a Convent Girl's School on their *charity day* ... I purposely chose a track that didn't have any swearing but most onlookers remained unconvinced ... why didn't I just use something like Pretty Vacant ?!? ... I also got Pssyche and "So What" by the Anti-Nowhere League played at a school disco ... * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * ----- Original Message ----- From: "mik raven" To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:19 PM Subject: RE: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? > Played Nagasaki Nightmare by Crass to the full year assembly! > > > Mik > > Quoting Phillipps Marc : > > > >We did this when we were aged 15/16 at my school (good old > > >state comprehensive). I took in the Change/Requiem 12" and the whole > > >class had to listen to it at top volume > > > > To my shame, when we did that I took Tom Sawyer by Rush (kill me now) > > > > Marc. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: neilfperry@btinternet.com [SMTP:neilfperry@btinternet.com] > > > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:08 PM > > > To: gathering@misera.net > > > Subject: Re: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? > > > > > > We did this when we were aged 15/16 at my school (good old > > > state comprehensive). I took in the Change/Requiem 12" and the whole > > > class had to listen to it at top volume. Afterwards, all the teacher could > > > say > > > was, "so, you like... repetitive music?" > > > N > > > > > > > > > > > > > >They should also ask the kids to do a > > > > little presentation on their favourite band or > > > > musician and have them explain why they like them and > > > > stuff. that would be fun and interesting. > > > > > > > > Leigh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- 'Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum' -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gathering mailing list > > > Gathering@misera.net > > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > > This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally > > privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you > > are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of > > distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within > > is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > > communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and > > destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any > > liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This > > communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet Enfield > > & Haringey Health Communities. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 21:42:51 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (foolscircle9ways) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:42:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? In-Reply-To: <200312122127.hBCLR8gt015849@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20031212214251.69354.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> --0-208129838-1071265371=:68773 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah! Verily and Amen, there's another uncle AL on the block! Your nephew is gifted to have you, uncle-type-dude, as are we. S ;) Alex Smith wrote: "They should at least start with contemporary stuff, then gradually show how it relates to Classical and what have you. They should also ask the kids to do a little presentation on their favourite band or musician and have them explain why they like them and stuff. that would be fun and interesting." This is sorta related to the topic, so I'll chime this in.....My newphew just turned ten this past month, and I was on the phone with his mother (my sister) asking what he'd like as a gift from his uncle to celebrate this momentous occaision (now enterting the realm of the double-didgits). Victoria informs me that Whalen (his name) has abandoned the world of Tech-Deck Dudes and Spongebob Squarepants and is swiftly becoming very interested in music. "Oh really!" I remark, "what sort've stuff is he into?" "Well," she answers, "He's quite into Good Charlotte." After I drop the phone, spit on the floor and pick the phone up again, I ask what sort've gift would be suitable (not wanting to get him a disc he already has, and secretly not wanting to have to actually go pay for a Good Charlotte compact disc). "Oh, he's got their albums already," she answers (imagine my relief), "but I'm sure there's lots of other things he'd like in the same vein." So, after lots of hemming and hawwwing, I decided to get him a cool CD carrying case (not the zipper-book kind, but a sleek metal case that neatly carries up to sixty compact discs in their jewel boxes). I also got him started with a few basics and a few things he'd be likely to enjoy (being, unfortunately, a Good Charlotte afficianado): first album by the Clash, NEVERMIND THE BOLLOCKS by the Sex Pistols, RAMONES MANIA by the Ramones, COLLECTION I by the Misfits, the latest Green Day best- of, the fist album by Operation Ivy, REVOLVER by the Beatles and, just for laughs, the latest Killing Joke album.....all of which he'll either learn to like, loathe or entirely ignore. He seemed very pleased, though (especially when I warned him which tracks were "headphones ONLY" tracks -- i.e. the ones with dirty words in'em.) Someone else had suggested that one's "first concert" is always something they'll remember, so that got me thinkin' that the Firewater show (last week) would be a fun show for that.....but the propensity for boozey shenanigans sort've talked me out of that. Also, I the F'water show was not an "all-ager". More to the point, the boy lives in Rye, New York, and....being that he's still just ten....he doesn't generally get to stay up that late. Clearly, the plan was flawwed. But, I'll get him to a show sooner or later. Alex in NYC ---------- >From: amyr@jump.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? >Date: Fri, Dec 12, 2003, 1:46 AM > >> They should at least start with contemporary stuff, >> then gradually show how it relates to Classical and >> what have you. They should also ask the kids to do a >> little presentation on their favourite band or >> musician and have them explain why they like them and >> stuff. that would be fun and interesting. > >Yup. But Texas is renowned for its repressive and >anachronistic teaching. A teacher *has* to stick >with curriculum approved by the local district which >in turn *has* to be approved by the state. Since we >have such a large population (especially of children) >the textbook companies write their books to please >the fundamentalists who sit on the state textbook >committee. These textbooks are then foisted off on >other smaller states without the power to get less >draconian versions. > >Of course, this only got worse under Bush, and it >ain't going to get better any time soon. It's >funny: the *real* fundamentalists homeschool their >kids cos they say the schools are too liberal for >teaching about sex and body parts (GASP!) and the >real liberals homeschool because the schools' >curriculum is too rigid and conservative. Those >who can't homeschool (eg have one parent stay >home and teach), and those in the middle, are the >ones who attend public (state-sponsored) schools. >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering If you're not living on the edge you're taking up too much room. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --0-208129838-1071265371=:68773 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Yeah! Verily and Amen, there's another uncle AL on the block!
Your nephew is gifted to have you, uncle-type-dude, as are we.
 
S ;)

Alex Smith <vassifer@earthlink.net> wrote:

"They should at least start with contemporary stuff, then gradually show how
it relates to Classical and what have you. They should also ask the kids to
do a little presentation on their favourite band or musician and have them
explain why they like them and stuff. that would be fun and interesting."


This is sorta related to the topic, so I'll chime this in.....My newphew
just turned
ten this past month, and I was on the phone with his mother (my sister)
asking what he'd like as a gift from his uncle to celebrate this momentous
occaision (now enterting the realm of the double-didgits). Victoria informs
me that Whalen (his name) has abandoned the world of Tech-Deck
Dudes and Spongebob Squarepants and is swiftly becoming very interested in
music. "Oh really!" I remark, "what sort've stuff is he into?" "Well," she
answers, "He's quite into Good Charlotte."

After I drop the phone, spit on the floor and pick the phone up again, I ask
what sort've gift would be suitable (not wanting to get him a disc he
already has, and secretly not wanting to have to actually go pay for a Good
Charlotte compact disc). "Oh, he's got their albums already," she answers
(imagine my relief), "but I'm sure there's lots of other things he'd like in
the same vein."

So, after lots of hemming and hawwwing, I decided to get him a cool CD
carrying case (not the zipper-book kind, but a sleek metal case that neatly
carries up to sixty compact discs in their jewel boxes). I also got him
started with a few basics and a few things he'd be likely to enjoy (being,
unfortunately, a Good Charlotte afficianado): first album by the Clash,
NEVERMIND THE BOLLOCKS by the Sex Pistols, RAMONES MANIA by the Ramones,
COLLECTION I by the Misfits, the latest Green Day best-
of, the fist album by Operation Ivy, REVOLVER by the Beatles and, just for
laughs, the latest Killing Joke album.....all of which he'll either learn to
like, loathe or entirely ignore. He seemed very pleased, though (especially
when I warned him which tracks were "headphones ONLY" tracks -- i.e. the
ones with dirty words in'em.)

Someone else had suggested that one's "first concert" is always something
they'll remember, so that got me thinkin' that the Firewater show (last
week) would be a fun show for that.....but the propensity for boozey
shenanigans sort've talked me out of that. Also, I the F'water show was not
an "all-ager". More to the point, the boy lives in Rye, New York,
and....being that he's still just ten....he doesn't generally get to stay up
that late. Clearly, the plan was flawwed. But, I'll get him to a show sooner
or later.

Alex in NYC





----------
>From: amyr@jump.net (Amy Moseley Rupp)
>To: gathering@misera.net
>Subject: Re: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school?
>Date: Fri, Dec 12, 2003, 1:46 AM
>

>> They should at least start with contemporary stuff,
>> then gradually show how it relates to Classical and
>> what have you. They should also ask the kids to do a
>> little presentation on their favourite band or
>> musician and have them explain why they like them and
>> stuff. that would be fun and interesting.
>
>Yup. But Texas is renowned for its repressive and
>anachronistic teaching. A teacher *has* to stick
>with curriculum approved by the local district which
>in turn *has* to be approved by the state. Since we
>have such a large population (especially of children)
>the textbook companies write their books to please
>the fundamentalists who sit on the state textbook
>committee. These textbooks are then foisted off on
>other smaller states without the power to get less
>draconian versions.
>
>Of course, this only got worse under Bush, and it
>ain't going to get better any time soon. It's
>funny: the *real* fundamentalists homeschool their
>kids cos they say the schools are too liberal for
>teaching about sex and body parts (GASP!) and the
>real liberals homeschool because the schools'
>curriculum is too rigid and conservative. Those
>who can't homeschool (eg have one parent stay
>home and teach), and those in the middle, are the
>ones who attend public (state-sponsored) schools.
>_______________________________________________
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New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --0-208129838-1071265371=:68773-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 21:44:21 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:44:21 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? -successful conditioning! Message-ID: <200312122144.hBCLiqcw018040@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154092261_203463_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable hahahahaha...I forgot about that. Best part of the film by light years and light years! Alex in NYC ---------- From: "Dirk Kingerske" To: gathering@misera.net Subject: RE: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? -successful conditioning! Date: Fri, Dec 12, 2003, 8:14 AM Today I experienced a second of success: I played The Commitments by Alan Parker to my English class (16-year-olds) and at the last gig, when the manager of the band is waiting for his special guest two of my students cried out KILLING JOKE when they saw the graffiti scrawled on the wall.....= . locate - subvert - terminate dirk >From: mik raven >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: RE: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? >Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:19:10 +0000 > >Played Nagasaki Nightmare by Crass to the full year assembly! > > >Mik > >Quoting Phillipps Marc : > > > >We did this when we were aged 15/16 at my school (good old > > >state comprehensive). I took in the Change/Requiem 12" and the whole > > >class had to listen to it at top volume > > > > To my shame, when we did that I took Tom Sawyer by Rush (kill me now) > > > > Marc. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: neilfperry@btinternet.com [SMTP:neilfperry@btinternet.com] > > > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:08 PM > > > To: gathering@misera.net > > > Subject: Re: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? > > > > > > We did this when we were aged 15/16 at my school (good old > > > state comprehensive). I took in the Change/Requiem 12" and the whole > > > class had to listen to it at top volume. Afterwards, all the teacher = could > > > say > > > was, "so, you like... repetitive music?" > > > N > > > > > > > > > > > > > >They should also ask the kids to do a > > > > little presentation on their favourite band or > > > > musician and have them explain why they like them and > > > > stuff. that would be fun and interesting. > > > > > > > > Leigh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- 'Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum' -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gathering mailing list > > > Gathering@misera.net > > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > > This communication may contain information that is confidential and leg= ally > > privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). I= f you > > are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of > > distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information w= ithin > > is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > > communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and= > > destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any > > liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This= > > communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet Enf= ield > > & Haringey Health Communities. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering 5 neue Buddies =3D 50 FreeSMS. Hier klicken - der Countdown l=E4uft! FreeSMS abr=E4umen mit dem MSN Messenger. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailin= g list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering --MS_Mac_OE_3154092261_203463_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? -successful con= ditioning!
hahahahaha...I forgot about that. Best part of the film by light years and = light years!

Alex in NYC


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From: "Dirk Kingerske" <dirkingerske@hotmail.com>
To: gathering@misera.net
Subject: RE: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? -successful c= onditioning!
Date: Fri, Dec 12, 2003, 8:14 AM





Today I experienced a second of success: I played The Commitments by Alan P= arker to my English class (16-year-olds) and at the last gig, when the manag= er of the band is waiting for his special guest two of my students cried out= KILLING JOKE when they saw the graffiti scrawled on the wall...... locate -= subvert - terminate

 

dirk
>From: mik raven
>Reply-To: gathering@misera.net
>To: gathering@misera.net
>Subject: RE: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school?
>Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:19:10 +0000
>
>Played Nagasaki Nightmare by Crass to the full year assembly!
>
>
>Mik
>
>Quoting Phillipps Marc :
>
> > >We did this when we were aged 15/16 at my school (good old > > >state comprehensive). I took in the Change/Requiem 12" a= nd the whole
> > >class had to listen to it at top volume
> >
> > To my shame, when we did that I took Tom Sawyer by Rush (kill me = now)
> >
> > Marc.
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: neilfperry@btinternet.com= [SMTP:neilfperry@btinternet.com]=
> > > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:08 PM
> > > To: gathering@misera.net=
> > > Subject: Re: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school= ?
> > >
> > > We did this when we were aged 15/16 at my school (good old <= BR> > > > state comprehensive). I took in the Change/Requiem 12" = and the whole
> > > class had to listen to it at top volume. Afterwards, all the= teacher could
> > > say
> > > was, "so, you like... repetitive music?"
> > > N
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >They should also ask the kids to do a
> > > > little presentation on their favourite band or
> > > > musician and have them explain why they like them and <= BR> > > > > stuff. that would be fun and interesting.
> > > >
> > > > Leigh
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -- 'Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum' --
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--MS_Mac_OE_3154092261_203463_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 21:53:30 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:53:30 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? Message-ID: <200312122153.hBCLrGgt024198@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154092810_236521_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I had a 7th Grade teacher in 1979 who played the entirety of BOOKENDS by Simon & Garfunkel to us. Seemed cool at the time (especially the suicide rant, "Save the Life of My Child"). Alex in NYC ---------- From: "Ford Prefect" To: Subject: Re: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? Date: Fri, Dec 12, 2003, 2:46 PM my headmaster would play the field...lost his job for it graham ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Bucknall To: gathering@misera.net Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? mine used to play the boomtown rats! ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 5:00 PM Subject: RE: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? My old headmaster used to play TOYAH WILCOX in assembly. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering --MS_Mac_OE_3154092810_236521_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school?
I had a 7th Grade teacher in 1979 who played the entirety of BOOKENDS by Si= mon & Garfunkel to us. Seemed cool at the time (especially the suicide r= ant, "Save the Life of My Child").

Alex in NYC




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From: "Ford Prefect" <woody2shooz@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school?
Date: Fri, Dec 12, 2003, 2:46 PM


my headmaster would play t= he field...lost his job for it
 
 
graham
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Bucknall <mailto:timbucknall@k= illing-joke.com>  
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>  
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school?

mine used to play the boomtown rats!

----- Original Message -----
From: <lisa.gannon@bt.com <mailto:lisa.gannon@bt.com> >
To: <gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net> >
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 5:00 PM
Subject: RE: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school?


My old headmaster used to play TOYAH WILCOX in assembly.
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--MS_Mac_OE_3154092810_236521_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 21:57:07 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (ade) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:57:07 -0000 Subject: [KJ] Camden mirrored here... In-Reply-To: <1cd.15e90e9e.2d0b6c43@aol.com> Message-ID: <004e01c3c0fa$e35ee570$0200a8c0@thelab.local> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C3C0FA.E35EE570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit xmas, mate.. xmas. Need I say more? -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of ColinSelby@aol.com Sent: 12 December 2003 19:09 To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [KJ] Camden mirrored here... Hows it going with your web problems? Colin. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C3C0FA.E35EE570 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
xmas,=20 mate.. xmas. Need I say more?
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From: = gathering-admin@misera.net=20 [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of=20 ColinSelby@aol.com
Sent: 12 December 2003 = 19:09
To:=20 gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [KJ] Camden mirrored=20 here...

Hows it going with your web=20 problems?

Colin.
------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C3C0FA.E35EE570-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 21:58:27 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:58:27 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? In-Reply-To: <200312122153.hBCLrGgt024198@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> from "Alex Smith" at Dec 12, 2003 04:53:30 PM Message-ID: <200312122158.hBCLwRP7007902@basil.jkm.net> > I had a 7th Grade teacher in 1979 who played the entirety of BOOKENDS by > Simon & Garfunkel to us. Seemed cool at the time (especially the suicide > rant, "Save the Life of My Child"). I was very fortunate to have discovered this album at a neighbour's at age five. Even then, I was immediately drawn to "Save The Life Of My Child," which I think is probably one of S&G's most underrated songs, and it deserves to be known more widely. I *immediately* identified with that child. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 22:01:58 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (foolscircle9ways) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:01:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? In-Reply-To: <200312122153.hBCLrGgt024198@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20031212220158.82419.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> --0-422224149-1071266518=:81899 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey everybody, are we in danger of constituting a chat? And if we are, how do we do it? Alex Smith wrote: I had a 7th Grade teacher in 1979 who played the entirety of BOOKENDS by Simon & Garfunkel to us. Seemed cool at the time (especially the suicide rant, "Save the Life of My Child"). Alex in NYC ---------- From: "Ford Prefect" To: Subject: Re: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? Date: Fri, Dec 12, 2003, 2:46 PM my headmaster would play the field...lost his job for it graham ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Bucknall To: gathering@misera.net Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? mine used to play the boomtown rats! ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 5:00 PM Subject: RE: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? My old headmaster used to play TOYAH WILCOX in assembly. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering If you're not living on the edge you're taking up too much room. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --0-422224149-1071266518=:81899 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hey everybody, are we in danger of constituting a chat? And if we are, how do we do it?

Alex Smith <vassifer@earthlink.net> wrote:

I had a 7th Grade teacher in 1979 who played the entirety of BOOKENDS by Simon & Garfunkel to us. Seemed cool at the time (especially the suicide rant, "Save the Life of My Child").

Alex in NYC




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From: "Ford Prefect" <woody2shooz@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school?
Date: Fri, Dec 12, 2003, 2:46 PM


my headmaster would play the field...lost his job for it
 
 
graham
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Bucknall <mailto:timbucknall@killing-joke.com>  
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>  
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school?

mine used to play the boomtown rats!

----- Original Message -----
From: <lisa.gannon@bt.com <mailto:lisa.gannon@bt.com> >
To: <gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net> >
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 5:00 PM
Subject: RE: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school?


My old headmaster used to play TOYAH WILCOX in assembly.
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If you're not living on the edge you're taking up too much room.

Do you Yahoo!?
New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --0-422224149-1071266518=:81899-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 22:12:58 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Cliff and Kara Livingston) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:12:58 -0900 Subject: [kj] Chat yerself Message-ID: <014101c3c0fd$1dd58fe0$8c8e70d1@antifrz> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_013E_01C3C0B1.A9B40EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.killing-joke.com/chat ------=_NextPart_000_013E_01C3C0B1.A9B40EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
http://www.killing-joke.com/cha= t
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_013E_01C3C0B1.A9B40EC0-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 23:03:29 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (sade1) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:03:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] Pic of Jaz in San Diego Message-ID: <20031212230329.62288.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Jaz in San Diego with the guys from the Grind619 label after the show.... (cool bunch of guys).. looks like he's turning all-eyebrows by now. http://us.f115.mail.yahoo.com/ym/ShowLetter/?box=Inbox&MsgId=5085_2797888_149527_1045_53773_0_52627_70996_408009300&bodyPart=2&filename=&tnef=&download=1&YY=91711&order=up&sort=date&pos=1&view=a&head=b ===== WHO WOULD JESUS BOMB? "Get me out of the here and now I want to be another here, another..." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 23:12:47 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jiri) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:12:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] c.1981 9 tracks live In-Reply-To: <3FDA13C3.6050800@burningrome.com> Message-ID: <20031212231247.63312.qmail@web80513.mail.yahoo.com> Mark, the details I recorded say it's the Police (as in the band) Picnic in Oakville Park in Toronto, 1981. Daytime performance. Some interesting stories about it were shared by the ol' veterans on the list, but I don't recall them all now!...Youth running from a cop in a golf cart, etc. Speaking of which, I love overhearing the crowd debating the name of the song: "What did he say? War-wha...Ooohhhh, War-DANCE" --- Mark Kolmar wrote: > Forgot to label this gig that was up for download > recently: > > 01WARD~1 MP3 4,670,276 12-03-03 9:26p > 01Wardance.mp3 > 02FALL MP3 4,012,826 12-03-03 9:30p > 02Fall.mp3 > 03EXIT MP3 2,463,451 12-03-03 9:33p > 03Exit.mp3 > 04WAIT MP3 3,323,193 12-03-03 9:37p > 04Wait.mp3 > 05REQU~1 MP3 2,975,869 12-03-03 9:40p > 05Requiem.mp3 > 06UNSP~1 MP3 4,199,236 12-03-03 9:44p > 06Unspeakable.mp3 > 07BLOO~1 MP3 2,994,260 12-03-03 9:47p > 07Bloodsport.mp3 > 08CHANGE MP3 3,685,982 12-03-03 9:51p > 08Change.mp3 > 09PSYCHE MP3 4,816,144 12-03-03 9:55p > 09Psyche.mp3 > > Where and when was it? Is that the whole thing? > Anyone else need it? > > --Mark > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 23:13:12 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Djehuti111) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:13:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT: F-Space in L.A. Message-ID: <20031212231312.25005.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com> Greetings All, If any L.A. Gatherers are intersted, my band F-Space will be performing for free on the 20th. Apparently this is Downtown/East LA, near the LA River. See you there. Aleph > Sat. 12/20....Snack Sac presents Festive Meltdown > 2003 > > Spindrift (w/ members of Brian Jonestown Massacre & > Warlocks),Los Creepers, Jet Fuel (ex-Astrum), Ink DJ > SL Duff (Knitting Factory, Sweet Justice, Messiaz) > DJ > Jason Moore (Dura Delinquent)assorted non-musical > acts > (the world's tallest Strawberry Shortcake character, > a > junky Santa, etc.)/projections... > > 10pm to 3am. 1324 E. 1st St. at Utah in Boyle Hts > (near Mission and the 101). Free!!! ===== "The scene was wild and somewhat sinister. The darkness, the palms, the mountainous background, the silent lake below, the impenetrable canopy of space, studded with secretive and significant stars, formed a stupendous setting for the savage noise and blaze of the ceremony." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 12 23:29:02 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Greyson Stoehr) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:29:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids In-Reply-To: <20031212220613.736B8DC88@four.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20031212232902.28153.qmail@web11202.mail.yahoo.com> Honestly, if you're going to quote the Lisping Ferret, get it right: "It'h a mythtery..." Now, imagine her intoning Rothcutian magical thpells with her hubby, Robert Fripp. At leatht thee'th now got a name thee can pronounth: Toyah Fripp Grey (giggles) > From: foolscircle9ways > > It's a mystery... > > lisa.gannon@bt.com wrote:My old headmaster used to > play TOYAH WILCOX in assembly. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 13 00:14:40 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:14:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] OT:Not so OT...trouble with kids or school? Message-ID: <831531.1071274480431.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> Well that band must have some strange appeal to the very young generation - my 8-year old nephew has just ONE cd, which he carries around with him everywhere - yup, Good Charlotte... N .My nephew > just turned > ten this past month... "Oh really!" I remark, "what sort've stuff is he into?" "Well," she > answers, "He's quite into Good Charlotte." > > Alex in NYC > -- 'Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum' -- From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 13 23:45:06 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dave Axford) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:45:06 -0500 Subject: [kj] test Message-ID: <004601c3c1d3$2338a180$826f8a3f@Joker> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C3C1A9.3A4D3CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Was it something I said? Dave ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C3C1A9.3A4D3CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Was it something I said?
 
 
 
Dave
------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C3C1A9.3A4D3CC0-- From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 13 23:46:32 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:46:32 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] test In-Reply-To: <004601c3c1d3$2338a180$826f8a3f@Joker> from "Dave Axford" at Dec 13, 2003 06:45:06 PM Message-ID: <200312132346.hBDNkWHl016930@basil.jkm.net> > Was it something I said? Yes. From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 13 23:46:38 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:46:38 -0600 Subject: [kj] test In-Reply-To: <004601c3c1d3$2338a180$826f8a3f@Joker> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154182399_598606 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 12/13/03 5:45 PM, "Dave Axford" wrote: > Was it something I said? > > > Yes! It was! KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154182399_598606 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] test On 12/13/03 5:45 PM, &q= uot;Dave Axford" <daxford@rogers.com> wrote:

Was it something I said?
 
 
Yes!

It was!



KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3154182399_598606-- From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 13 23:48:08 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mik Raven) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:48:08 -0000 Subject: [kj] test References: <004601c3c1d3$2338a180$826f8a3f@Joker> Message-ID: <037801c3c1d3$900961a0$0200a8c0@Paulas> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0375_01C3C1D3.8FADD420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep. Fraid so! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave Axford=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 11:45 PM Subject: [kj] test Was it something I said? Dave ------=_NextPart_000_0375_01C3C1D3.8FADD420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yep. Fraid so!
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dave = Axford=20
Sent: Saturday, December 13, = 2003 11:45=20 PM
Subject: [kj] test

Was it something I said?
 
 
 
Dave
------=_NextPart_000_0375_01C3C1D3.8FADD420-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 14 00:27:01 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dave Axford) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:27:01 -0500 Subject: [kj] test References: <004601c3c1d3$2338a180$826f8a3f@Joker> <037801c3c1d3$900961a0$0200a8c0@Paulas> Message-ID: <007c01c3c1d8$fe283350$826f8a3f@Joker> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C3C1AF.153A5D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Was it something I said? Yep. Fraid so! Can't say a damn thing without getting all those flaming emails eh? ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C3C1AF.153A5D90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Was it something I = said?
 

Yep. Fraid so!
 
 
Can't say a damn = thing without=20 getting all those flaming emails=20 eh?
------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C3C1AF.153A5D90-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 14 00:33:26 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:33:26 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] test In-Reply-To: <007c01c3c1d8$fe283350$826f8a3f@Joker> from "Dave Axford" at Dec 13, 2003 07:27:01 PM Message-ID: <200312140033.hBE0XQ8W017437@basil.jkm.net> > Can't say a damn thing without getting all those flaming emails eh? Nope, you can't say "a damn thing" but other than that phrase hold forth! ;-) From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 14 00:54:37 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mik Raven) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:54:37 -0000 Subject: [kj] test References: <004601c3c1d3$2338a180$826f8a3f@Joker> <037801c3c1d3$900961a0$0200a8c0@Paulas> <007c01c3c1d8$fe283350$826f8a3f@Joker> Message-ID: <039c01c3c1dc$d9306820$0200a8c0@Paulas> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0399_01C3C1DC.D8CBB2E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You asked for it ;-) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave Axford=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [kj] test Was it something I said? Yep. Fraid so! Can't say a damn thing without getting all those flaming emails eh? ------=_NextPart_000_0399_01C3C1DC.D8CBB2E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You asked for it ;-)
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dave = Axford=20
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 = 12:27=20 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] test

Was it something I = said?
 

Yep. Fraid so!
 
 
Can't say a damn = thing without=20 getting all those flaming emails=20 eh?
------=_NextPart_000_0399_01C3C1DC.D8CBB2E0-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 14 11:21:25 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Rob's Arse) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 03:21:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED Message-ID: <20031214112125.33951396A@sitemail.everyone.net> In case you haven't turned on your TV's or caught the radio or whatever, looks like they caught him! What next??????????????? _____________________________________________________________ Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of worldmap.com) From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 14 13:26:30 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (P) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:26:30 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED In-Reply-To: <20031214112125.33951396A@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: What next? ---> Catch Bush! -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of Rob's Arse Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:21 PM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED In case you haven't turned on your TV's or caught the radio or whatever, looks like they caught him! What next??????????????? _____________________________________________________________ Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of worldmap.com) _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 14 15:10:37 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Killing Joker) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 09:10:37 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200312140910.37301.webmaster@killing-joke.com> On Sunday 14 December 2003 07:26, P wrote: > What next? ---> Catch Bush! Hate to say this, but Bush just won his re-election bid.... Also hate to say this, but Sadam was worse off in that hole they found him = in,=20 rather than prison. Glad they got him, all the same tho.=20 Whats next??? OSAMA, mutha faaaka's!!!!! Jester From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 14 15:50:23 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Thomas Kennedy) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 07:50:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED In-Reply-To: <20031214112125.33951396A@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: <20031214155023.88654.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> --0-888115705-1071417023=:87274 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Good. Hopefully this bullshit war will finally end. Tom. Rob's Arse wrote: In case you haven't turned on your TV's or caught the radio or whatever, looks like they caught him! What next??????????????? _____________________________________________________________ Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of worldmap.com) _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering --0-888115705-1071417023=:87274 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Good.  Hopefully this bullshit war will finally end.
 
Tom.

Rob's Arse <joker@Z6.com> wrote:
In case you haven't turned on your TV's or caught the radio or whatever, looks like they caught him!

What next???????????????

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--0-888115705-1071417023=:87274-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 14 16:13:12 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dirk Kingerske) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:13:12 +0100 Subject: [kj] coincidence??!!!! Message-ID:



killingjoke.com down and saddam captured - time to wonder ?!

Coole Emoticons und Hintergründe für den MSN Messenger Hier kostenlos downloaden! From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 14 16:15:54 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:15:54 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED In-Reply-To: <20031214112125.33951396A@sitemail.everyone.net> References: <20031214112125.33951396A@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: <200312141015.54207.webmaster@killing-joke.com> Wow...this reminds me of the old Course of Empire song... Sins of the Fathers:1990. See this desert my son This is our gift to you You must build your vision here Upon these ashes With the sweat of your brow And the blood upon your hands You must earn your future Or perish with the land I bore the sins of my fathers Now you shall bear mine And your children after you All that changes is the time Now I leave you my son The world is in your hands You must earn your future Or perish with the land Hollow wasteland, I take the desert in my hand Trampled spirit, turn your son into a man I build the conscience from the ground Reconstruct what you tore down From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 14 16:17:23 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:17:23 -0600 Subject: [kj] coincidence??!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200312141017.23809.webmaster@killing-joke.com> On Sunday 14 December 2003 10:13, Dirk Kingerske wrote: killingjoke.com down and saddam captured - time to wonder CONFIRM YOUR WORST FEARS! arent they always down over there???? Cheers, J From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 14 16:19:46 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:19:46 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED Message-ID: <200312141619.hBEGJUgt012451@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154245586_63459_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I dunno, boys, I have to say that while it's good for morale, I wouldn't get too excited. Is it good that we (finally) captured Saddam? You bet, but I don't think it's going to cut down on the insurgency within Iraq at all (which seems spearheaded not by Baath party loyalists, but by radical Islamists who consider it a Jihad). Bottom line: wake me when they find Bin Laden and Al-Zawahiri. Still, one boil lanced, eh? Alex in NYC ---------- From: Thomas Kennedy To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED Date: Sun, Dec 14, 2003, 10:50 AM Good. Hopefully this bullshit war will finally end. Tom. Rob's Arse wrote: In case you haven't turned on your TV's or caught the radio or whatever, looks like they caught him! What next??????????????? _____________________________________________________________ Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of worldmap.com) _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering --MS_Mac_OE_3154245586_63459_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED
I dunno, boys, I have to say that while it's good for morale, I wouldn't ge= t too excited. Is it good that we (finally) captured Saddam? You bet, but I = don't think it's going to cut down on the insurgency within Iraq at all (whi= ch seems spearheaded not by Baath party loyalists, but by radical Islamists = who consider it a Jihad). Bottom line: wake me when they find Bin Laden and = Al-Zawahiri.

Still, one boil lanced, eh?

Alex in NYC



----------
From: Thomas Kennedy <tkennedy1999@sbcglobal.net>
To: gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED
Date: Sun, Dec 14, 2003, 10:50 AM


Good.  Hopefully this bullshit war will finally end.
 
Tom.

Rob's Arse <joker@Z6.com> wrote:
In case you haven't turned on your TV's or caught the radio or = whatever, looks like they caught him!

What next???????????????

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--MS_Mac_OE_3154245586_63459_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 14 16:34:02 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alexi Hamilton) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:34:02 +0000 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED Message-ID:



>From: Rob's Arse
>Reply-To: gathering@misera.net
>To: gathering@misera.net
>Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED
>Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 03:21:25 -0800 (PST)
>
>In case you haven't turned on your TV's or caught the radio or whatever, looks like they caught him!
>
>What next???????????????
 
For God's sake, don't turn on your TV...Media frenzy is what's next.  I swear George Stafanopoulis (or however you spell it) was just on TV for what seemed to be 5 hours talking to EVERYONE but Saddam himself.  Give it time for that though.
 
~Alexi (Throwing her TV out the window.)

Tired of slow downloads and busy signals? Get a high-speed Internet connection! Comparison-shop your local high-speed providers here. From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 14 16:36:57 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alexi Hamilton) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:36:57 +0000 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED Message-ID:

Good God, Joe...that's good.  That song is as fitting to the situation as is "Blood on Your Hands" is to the Government's actions with the war in Iraq.  Excellent song choice.  I miss Vaughn.

~Alexi




##################################
"What's the hurry? We're probably
going the wrong way anyhow."
                 -Eeyore
##################################
>From: Jester
>Reply-To: gathering@misera.net
>To: gathering@misera.net
>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED
>Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:15:54 -0600
>
>Wow...this reminds me of the old Course of Empire song...
>
>Sins of the Fathers:1990.
>
>See this desert my son
>This is our gift to you
>You must build your vision here
>Upon these ashes
>With the sweat of your brow
>And the blood upon your hands
>You must earn your future
>Or perish with the land
>
>I bore the sins of my fathers
>Now you shall bear mine
>And your children after you
>All that changes is the time
>Now I leave you my son
>The world is in your hands
>You must earn your future
>Or perish with the land
>
>Hollow wasteland, I take the desert in my hand
>Trampled spirit, turn your son into a man
>I build the conscience from the ground
>Reconstruct what you tore down
>
>_______________________________________________
>Gathering mailing list
>Gathering@misera.net
>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering

Don’t worry if your Inbox will max out while you are enjoying the holidays. Get MSN Extra Storage! From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 14 16:45:13 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:45:13 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154243514_3174985 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Thing of it is, Sins was written LONG before Desert Storm was going on. Vaughn is a prophet! You and I both miss him, and his lovely wife Lisa. Hold onto yer arse tho...DVD is dropping soon, per Mike. And, we have a wedding coming up too! All the lovely lasses in the world mourn as the ladies man Jerome is off the market...hahaha Another good one was Ptah and Lets Have a War. Was just listening to Cosmic Dancer. I think I need to put these up on a server for people to download. Need some live shit...I had Persian live, but lost it a while back :-( On 12/14/03 10:36 AM, "Alexi Hamilton" wrote: > Good God, Joe...that's good. That song is as fitting to the situation as= is > "Blood on Your Hands" is to the Government's actions with the war in Iraq= . > Excellent song choice. I miss Vaughn. >=20 > ~Alexi >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ################################## > "What's the hurry? We're probably > going the wrong way anyhow." > -Eeyore > ################################## >> >From: Jester=20 >> >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >> >To: gathering@misera.net >> >Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED >> >Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:15:54 -0600 >> >=20 >> >Wow...this reminds me of the old Course of Empire song... >> >=20 >> >Sins of the Fathers:1990. >> >=20 >> >See this desert my son >> >This is our gift to you >> >You must build your vision here >> >Upon these ashes >> >With the sweat of your brow >> >And the blood upon your hands >> >You must earn your future >> >Or perish with the land >> >=20 >> >I bore the sins of my fathers >> >Now you shall bear mine >> >And your children after you >> >All that changes is the time >> >Now I leave you my son >> >The world is in your hands >> >You must earn your future >> >Or perish with the land >> >=20 >> >Hollow wasteland, I take the desert in my hand >> >Trampled spirit, turn your son into a man >> >I build the conscience from the ground >> >Reconstruct what you tore down >> >=20 >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Gathering mailing list >> >Gathering@misera.net >> >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >=20 >=20 > Don=92t worry if your Inbox will max out while you are enjoying the holida= ys. > Get MSN Extra Storage! > _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154243514_3174985 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED Thing of it is, Sins wa= s written LONG before Desert Storm was going on. Vaughn is a prophet!

You and I both miss him, and his lovely wife Lisa.

Hold onto yer arse tho...DVD is dropping soon, per Mike. And, we have a wed= ding coming up too! All the lovely lasses in the world mourn as the ladies m= an Jerome is off the market...hahaha

Another good one was Ptah and Lets Have a War. Was just listening to Cosmic= Dancer. I think I need to put these up on a server for people to download. = Need some live shit...I had Persian live, but lost it a while back :-(

On 12/14/03 10:36 AM, "Alexi Hamilton" <alexih@hotmail.com>= wrote:

Good God, Joe...that's good.  That song is as fitting to the situati= on as is "Blood on Your Hands" is to the Government's actions with= the war in Iraq.  Excellent song choice.  I miss Vaughn.

~Alexi




##################################
"What's the hurry? We're probably
going the wrong way anyhow."
            &nb= sp;    -Eeyore
##################################
>From: Jester
>Reply-To: gathering@misera.net
>To: gathering@misera.net
>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED
>Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:15:54 -0600
>
>Wow...this reminds me of the old Course of Empire song...
>
>Sins of the Fathers:1990.
>
>See this desert my son
>This is our gift to you
>You must build your vision here
>Upon these ashes
>With the sweat of your brow
>And the blood upon your hands
>You must earn your future
>Or perish with the land
>
>I bore the sins of my fathers
>Now you shall bear mine
>And your children after you
>All that changes is the time
>Now I leave you my son
>The world is in your hands
>You must earn your future
>Or perish with the land
>
>Hollow wasteland, I take the desert in my hand
>Trampled spirit, turn your son into a man
>I build the conscience from the ground
>Reconstruct what you tore down
>
>_______________________________________________
>Gathering mailing list
>Gathering@misera.net
>http://fo= ur.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering

Don=92t worry if your Inbox will max = out while you are enjoying the holidays.  Get MSN Extra Storage!  = <http://g.msn.com/8HMBENUS/= 2734??PS=3D>  _______________________________________________ Gath= ering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gatherin= g


KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place = like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3154243514_3174985-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 14 16:46:36 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:46:36 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED In-Reply-To: <20031214155023.88654.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154243598_3151496 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable On 12/14/03 9:50 AM, "Thomas Kennedy" wrote: > Good. Hopefully this bullshit war will finally end. > =20 > Tom. >=20 Nope, =B3we must now reconstruct what we took down=B2 And that is a war in and of itself... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154243598_3151496 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED On 12/14/03 9:50 AM, &q= uot;Thomas Kennedy" <tkennedy1999@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Good.  Hopefully this bullshit war will finally end.
 
Tom.

Nope, “we must now reconstruct what we took down”

And that is a war in and of itself...

KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place = like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3154243598_3151496-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 14 17:00:34 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:00:34 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154244435_3229422 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 12/14/03 10:36 AM, "Alexi Hamilton" wrote: > Good God, Joe...that's good. That song is as fitting to the situation as is > "Blood on Your Hands" is to the Government's actions with the war in Iraq. > Excellent song choice. I miss Vaughn. > > ~Alexi For those that want to hear what Alexi and I are talking about, go here to grab a copy. http://www.killing-joke.com/sins.mp3 It is about 4.75 megs. KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154244435_3229422 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED On 12/14/03 10:36 AM, &= quot;Alexi Hamilton" <alexih@hotmail.com> wrote:

Good God, Joe...that's good.  That song is as fitting to the situati= on as is "Blood on Your Hands" is to the Government's actions with= the war in Iraq.  Excellent song choice.  I miss Vaughn.

~Alexi
For those that want to hear what Alexi and I are talking about, go here = to grab a copy.

http://www.killing-joke.com/= sins.mp3

It is about 4.75 megs.

KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place = like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3154244435_3229422-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 14 18:26:50 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mark H) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:26:50 -0000 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED References: <20031214112125.33951396A@sitemail.everyone.net> <200312141015.54207.webmaster@killing-joke.com> Message-ID: <009801c3c26f$d77da540$c89d5651@LocalHost> Those ragheads need someone like Saddam to keep them in check. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jester" To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED Wow...this reminds me of the old Course of Empire song... Sins of the Fathers:1990. See this desert my son This is our gift to you You must build your vision here Upon these ashes With the sweat of your brow And the blood upon your hands You must earn your future Or perish with the land I bore the sins of my fathers Now you shall bear mine And your children after you All that changes is the time Now I leave you my son The world is in your hands You must earn your future Or perish with the land Hollow wasteland, I take the desert in my hand Trampled spirit, turn your son into a man I build the conscience from the ground Reconstruct what you tore down _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 14 17:55:27 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:55:27 EST Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED Message-ID: <1e9.1558c2b7.2d0dfe0f@aol.com> -------------------------------1071424527 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit my response: "great, we have george bush for another four years..." -bill -------------------------------1071424527 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
my response:
 

"great, we have george bush for another four years..."
 
 
-bill
 
-------------------------------1071424527-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 14 18:07:38 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 13:07:38 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED Message-ID: <200312141808.hBEI88gt003348@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154252058_452754_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I'd *REALLY* hope that the voting American populace (sadly, less than half the population) isn't so easily swayed by this....sorry....red herring. Yes, it's undeniably great for troop morale, but for christ's sakes, Saddam was hardly living the life of Reily. Much has been made of him living in a "spider hole," but what do people expect? The man was on the run! Initial reports are they he's been dazed, confused and bizarrely talkative (read: babbling like a loon). He's a *FIGUREHEAD*. His capture may sway *some* hearts and minds within Iraq, but the violence is continuing (just under a half hour ago, there was a suicide car bomb outside of the Palestine Hotel). Retalition? Maybe, but I'm more inclined to think it was simply a message: "You're Not out of the Woods Yet, Yankee Running Dogs!" Saddam had no sway nor power. Catching him is nice, but it doesn't mean as much as it's being made out to mean. It's a Pyrrich Victory, ultimately Once again, I'll be impressed when they nab the Al-Qaeda higher-ups. Until then, to quote Sir Chuck of D., "DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!" Alex in NYC ---------- From: Thelamite5@aol.com To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED Date: Sun, Dec 14, 2003, 12:55 PM my response: "great, we have george bush for another four years..." -bill --MS_Mac_OE_3154252058_452754_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED
I'd *REALLY* hope that the voting American populace (sadly, less than half = the population) isn't so easily swayed by this....sorry....red herring. Yes,= it's undeniably great for troop morale, but for christ's sakes, Saddam was = hardly living the life of Reily. Much has been made of him living in a "= ;spider hole," but what do people expect? The man was on the run! Initi= al reports are they he's been dazed, confused and bizarrely talkative (read:= babbling like a loon). He's a *FIGUREHEAD*. His capture may sway *some* hea= rts and minds within Iraq, but the violence is continuing (just under a half= hour ago, there was a suicide car bomb outside of the Palestine Hotel). Ret= alition? Maybe, but I'm more inclined to think it was simply a message: &quo= t;You're Not out of the Woods Yet, Yankee Running Dogs!" Saddam had no = sway nor power. Catching him is nice, but it doesn't mean as much as it's be= ing made out to mean. It's a Pyrrich Victory, ultimately

Once again, I'll be impressed when they nab the Al-Qaeda higher-ups. Until = then, to quote Sir Chuck of D., "DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!"

Alex in NYC



----------
From: Thelamite5@aol.com
To: gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED
Date: Sun, Dec 14, 2003, 12:55 PM


my response:
 

"great, we have george bush for another four years..."
 
 
-bill
 

--MS_Mac_OE_3154252058_452754_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 14 19:02:18 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:02:18 EST Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED Message-ID: <1d0.15f756b9.2d0e0dba@aol.com> --part1_1d0.15f756b9.2d0e0dba_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree- get Bush! The US put Saddam into power way back in the 60s or something, and now that he won't share his oil wealth, all of a sudden the US finds out he' a dictator. By the way, they also gave him financial support all through the 80s, when Iraq was fighting Iran. --part1_1d0.15f756b9.2d0e0dba_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree- get Bush! The US put Saddam into power way ba= ck in the 60s or something, and now that he won't share his oil wealth, all=20= of a sudden the US finds out he' a dictator. By the way, they also gave him=20= financial support all through the 80s, when Iraq was fighting Iran. --part1_1d0.15f756b9.2d0e0dba_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 14 19:09:41 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:09:41 EST Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED Message-ID: <8.41ee77ff.2d0e0f75@aol.com> --part1_8.41ee77ff.2d0e0f75_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't appreciate racist terms like "ragheads" being used on the list (or any where). We're talking about a country of people who happen to have been ruled by a US-imposed dictator, who most of the population didn't support. We have more in common with regular Iraqis than with oil-grubbing devils like Bush and Saddam. --part1_8.41ee77ff.2d0e0f75_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't appreciate racist terms like "ragheads" being=20= used on the list (or any where). We're talking about a country of people who= happen to have been ruled by a US-imposed dictator, who most of the populat= ion didn't support. We have more in common with regular Iraqis than with oil= -grubbing devils like Bush and Saddam.
 --part1_8.41ee77ff.2d0e0f75_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 14 19:13:25 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alexi Hamilton) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:13:25 +0000 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED Message-ID:



>
>my response:
>
>
>"great, we have george bush for another four years..."
>
>
>-bill
 
 
BITE YOUR TONGUE!!!!

Don’t worry if your Inbox will max out while you are enjoying the holidays. Get MSN Extra Storage! From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 14 19:25:27 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (P) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:25:27 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3C280.69352980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTUREDIt needs a good portion of political naivity to think that this war was the war for democracy and against dictatorship and that capture of Sadam will end the war (as if Sadam was a source and reason for this war). This war is just a part of general attempt of US corporation to ensure its world domination against potential rivals, especially those in European Union (+Russia and China). This war as any other war in history has underlying economic reasons and these can hardly be overcome by capture of some dictator (who already lost his power). To understand this it is enough to read official documents of US administration and Society for New American Centrury (not sure of exact name in English) . Myself I am glad that Iraque people resist occupation. Whats wrong with this resistance? They have been invaded, their labnd was stolen from them. Maybe they have got a rid of terrible dictator, but now they lost everything and live under much more powerful world dictator, US administration and global corporations that installed this administration in power in USA itself (dictator that couple of decades ago have helped Sadam to take power in Iraq in the first place). Americans would also resist occupation by armies of other country, that would aim to steal all the resources (oil, land) from them - so do Iraques. In the end it will be ordinary Americans who will loose from every success of Bush administration in Iraq - loss of civil liberties, living standards, jobs, etc. US War on terror is in fact war for US corporate profit - and profit can be boosted only by taking on US workers and on peoples of Third World. I think that ordinary American who is not big sharehodler of big corporations and banks and sympathises with Bush administrations actions in Iraq and accross the world is just acting against himself/herself. Every American who is not top manager of Exxon Mobile, Conoco or whatever corporation should welcome every success of Iraque resistance against US troops in Iraq. Is it so difficult to understand this? Pavel -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of Jester Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 5:47 PM To: Gathering Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED On 12/14/03 9:50 AM, "Thomas Kennedy" wrote: Good. Hopefully this bullshit war will finally end. Tom. Nope, “we must now reconstruct what we took down” And that is a war in and of itself... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3C280.69352980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED
It=20 needs a good portion of political naivity to think that this war was the = war for=20 democracy and against dictatorship and that capture of Sadam will end = the war=20 (as if Sadam was a source and reason for this war).
 
This=20 war is just a part of general attempt of US corporation to ensure its = world=20 domination against potential rivals, especially those in European Union = (+Russia=20 and China).
This=20 war as any other war in history has underlying economic reasons and = these can=20 hardly be overcome by capture of some dictator (who already lost his=20 power).
 
To=20 understand this it is enough to read official documents of US = administration and=20 Society for New American Centrury (not sure of exact name in English)=20 .
 
Myself=20 I am glad that Iraque people resist occupation. Whats wrong with this=20 resistance? They have been invaded, their labnd was stolen from them. = Maybe they=20 have got a rid of terrible dictator, but now they lost everything and = live under=20 much more powerful world dictator, US administration and global = corporations=20 that installed this administration in power in USA itself (dictator that = couple=20 of decades ago have helped Sadam to take power in Iraq in the first = place).=20 Americans would also resist occupation by armies of other country, that = would=20 aim to steal all the resources (oil, land) from them - so do=20 Iraques.
 
In the=20 end it will be ordinary Americans who will loose from every success of = Bush=20 administration in Iraq - loss of civil liberties, living = standards,=20 jobs, etc.
US War on terror=20 is in fact war for US corporate profit - and profit can be boosted only = by=20 taking on US workers and on peoples of Third World.
 
I=20 think that ordinary American who is not big sharehodler of big = corporations and=20 banks and sympathises with Bush administrations actions in Iraq and = accross the=20 world is just acting against himself/herself. Every American who is not = top=20 manager of Exxon Mobile, Conoco or whatever corporation should welcome = every=20 success of Iraque resistance against US troops in = Iraq.
 
Is it=20 so difficult to understand this?
 
Pavel
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: = gathering-admin@misera.net=20 [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of = Jester
Sent:=20 Sunday, December 14, 2003 5:47 PM
To: = Gathering
Subject:=20 Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED

On 12/14/03 9:50 AM, "Thomas Kennedy"=20 <tkennedy1999@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Good. =  Hopefully this bullshit war will finally=20 end.
 
Tom.

Nope, “we must = now reconstruct what=20 we took down”

And that is a war in and of = itself...

KEEPING=20 THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER, =
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20

There is no=20 place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what = use do=20 we have for Windows or Gates?"
 ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3C280.69352980-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 14 19:16:20 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 13:16:20 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED In-Reply-To: <200312141808.hBEI88gt003348@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154252582_3711276 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable CONFIRM YOUR WORST FEARS... Just had a run in with my dads wife, going on about how great Bush is, and how she feels safe..I sort of went off on her, in my usual way (hey, if you guys are good enough for me to go off on, then she deserves the same treatment, no? :)) and I am in shock. There are four home foreclosures and three homes up for sale, just on their street. That is a definite sign Bush has failed his people. Yet, we can spend BILLIONS on saving Iraq, when our initial goal, that we were fed, was WMD=B9s...Where the fuck are they? Why th= e fuck did we go over there? Who fucking cares about the outside when your ow= n are in fucking need to this degree! Palestine is not Iraq. That has more to do with Israel than Iraq, doesn=B9t it? Of course, our ties to Israel does have a lot to do with attacks on us. On 12/14/03 12:07 PM, "Alex Smith" wrote: >=20 > I'd *REALLY* hope that the voting American populace (sadly, less than hal= f the > population) isn't so easily swayed by this....sorry....red herring. Yes, = it's > undeniably great for troop morale, but for christ's sakes, Saddam was har= dly > living the life of Reily. Much has been made of him living in a "spider h= ole," > but what do people expect? The man was on the run! Initial reports are th= ey > he's been dazed, confused and bizarrely talkative (read: babbling like a > loon). He's a *FIGUREHEAD*. His capture may sway *some* hearts and minds > within Iraq, but the violence is continuing (just under a half hour ago, = there > was a suicide car bomb outside of the Palestine Hotel). Retalition? Maybe= , but > I'm more inclined to think it was simply a message: "You're Not out of th= e > Woods Yet, Yankee Running Dogs!" Saddam had no sway nor power. Catching h= im is > nice, but it doesn't mean as much as it's being made out to mean. It's a > Pyrrich Victory, ultimately >=20 > Once again, I'll be impressed when they nab the Al-Qaeda higher-ups. Unti= l > then, to quote Sir Chuck of D., "DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!" >=20 > Alex in NYC >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------- > From: Thelamite5@aol.com > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED > Date: Sun, Dec 14, 2003, 12:55 PM >=20 >=20 >> my response: >> =20 >>=20 >> "great, we have george bush for another four years..." >> =20 >> =20 >> -bill >> =20 >>=20 >=20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154252582_3711276 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED CONFIRM YOUR WORST FEAR= S...

Just had a run in with my dads wife, going on about how great Bush is, and = how she feels safe..I sort of went off on her, in my usual way (hey, if you = guys are good enough for me to go off on, then she deserves the same treatme= nt, no? :)) and I am in shock. There are four home foreclosures and three ho= mes up for sale, just on their street. That is a definite sign Bush has fail= ed his people. Yet, we can spend BILLIONS on saving Iraq, when our initial g= oal, that we were fed, was WMD’s...Where the fuck are they? Why the fu= ck did we go over there? Who fucking cares about the outside when your own a= re in fucking need to this degree!

Palestine is not Iraq. That has more to do with Israel than Iraq, doesnR= 17;t it? Of course, our ties to Israel does have a lot to do with attacks on= us.

On 12/14/03 12:07 PM, "Alex Smith" <vassifer@earthlink.net>= wrote:


I'd *REALLY* hope that the voting American populace (sadly, less than half = the population) isn't so easily swayed by this....sorry....red herring. Yes,= it's undeniably great for troop morale, but for christ's sakes, Saddam was = hardly living the life of Reily. Much has been made of him living in a "= ;spider hole," but what do people expect? The man was on the run! Initi= al reports are they he's been dazed, confused and bizarrely talkative (read:= babbling like a loon). He's a *FIGUREHEAD*. His capture may sway *some* hea= rts and minds within Iraq, but the violence is continuing (just under a half= hour ago, there was a suicide car bomb outside of the Palestine Hotel). Ret= alition? Maybe, but I'm more inclined to think it was simply a message: &quo= t;You're Not out of the Woods Yet, Yankee Running Dogs!" Saddam had no = sway nor power. Catching him is nice, but it doesn't mean as much as it's be= ing made out to mean. It's a Pyrrich Victory, ultimately

Once again, I'll be impressed when they nab the Al-Qaeda higher-ups. Until = then, to quote Sir Chuck of D., "DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!"

Alex in NYC



----------
From: Thelamite5@aol.com
To: gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED
Date: Sun, Dec 14, 2003, 12:55 PM


my response:
 

"great, we have george bush for another four years..."
 
 
-bill
 




KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place = like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3154252582_3711276-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 14 19:20:15 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 13:20:15 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED In-Reply-To: <1e9.1558c2b7.2d0dfe0f@aol.com> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154252816_3671302 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable On 12/14/03 11:55 AM, "Thelamite5@aol.com" wrote: > my response: > =20 >=20 > "great, we have george bush for another four years..." > =20 > =20 > -bill > =20 >=20 THE HELL YOU SAY! Damn you....but I know your right... Bush is gloatingnow, you fucking know it. Cant ya hear it? =B3Hey Billy Jo Bob, we dun capturought that som-ma-bitch. He=B9s is gonna fry like a tater now=B2 while his gap toothed, inbred sidekick Dick, sits back wheezing with that evil cackle. Like a fucking scene from Deliverance. =B3Squeal like a pig, boy!=B2 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154252816_3671302 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED On 12/14/03 11:55 AM, &= quot;Thelamite5@aol.com" <Thelamite5@aol.com> wrote:

my response:
 

"great, we have george bush for another four years..."
 
 
-bill
 

THE HELL YOU SAY!


Damn you....but I know your right...

Bush is gloatingnow, you fucking know it. Cant ya hear it? “Hey Billy= Jo Bob, we dun capturought that som-ma-bitch. He’s is gonna fry like = a tater now” while his gap toothed, inbred sidekick Dick, sits back wh= eezing with that evil cackle.

Like a fucking scene from Deliverance. “Squeal like a pig, boy!”= ;

KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place = like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3154252816_3671302-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 14 19:33:08 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:33:08 EST Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED Message-ID: <1e5.159155c1.2d0e14f4@aol.com> --part1_1e5.159155c1.2d0e14f4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perfectly said, Pavel! Unfortunately, many Amercians still are influenced by the slick propoganda that is our media. That's why we need the new KJ album to speack some sense! --part1_1e5.159155c1.2d0e14f4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Perfectly said, Pavel! Unfortunately, many Amercians s= till are influenced by the slick propoganda that is our media. That's why we= need the new KJ album to speack some sense! --part1_1e5.159155c1.2d0e14f4_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 14 19:53:05 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:53:05 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED Message-ID: <200312141953.hBEJrYcw005519@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154258385_12647_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit "Palestine is not Iraq. That has more to do with Israel than Iraq, doesnt it? Of course, our ties to Israel does have a lot to do with attacks on us." I'm aware of that but the PALESTINE HOTEL that the car bomb just went off in front of is the hotel in *Baghdad* that is largely a base of operations for western journalists. Alex inNYC ---------- From: Jester To: Gathering Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED Date: Sun, Dec 14, 2003, 2:16 PM CONFIRM YOUR WORST FEARS... Just had a run in with my dads wife, going on about how great Bush is, and how she feels safe..I sort of went off on her, in my usual way (hey, if you guys are good enough for me to go off on, then she deserves the same treatment, no? :)) and I am in shock. There are four home foreclosures and three homes up for sale, just on their street. That is a definite sign Bush has failed his people. Yet, we can spend BILLIONS on saving Iraq, when our initial goal, that we were fed, was WMDs...Where the fuck are they? Why the fuck did we go over there? Who fucking cares about the outside when your own are in fucking need to this degree! Palestine is not Iraq. That has more to do with Israel than Iraq, doesnt it? Of course, our ties to Israel does have a lot to do with attacks on us. On 12/14/03 12:07 PM, "Alex Smith" wrote: I'd *REALLY* hope that the voting American populace (sadly, less than half the population) isn't so easily swayed by this....sorry....red herring. Yes, it's undeniably great for troop morale, but for christ's sakes, Saddam was hardly living the life of Reily. Much has been made of him living in a "spider hole," but what do people expect? The man was on the run! Initial reports are they he's been dazed, confused and bizarrely talkative (read: babbling like a loon). He's a *FIGUREHEAD*. His capture may sway *some* hearts and minds within Iraq, but the violence is continuing (just under a half hour ago, there was a suicide car bomb outside of the Palestine Hotel). Retalition? Maybe, but I'm more inclined to think it was simply a message: "You're Not out of the Woods Yet, Yankee Running Dogs!" Saddam had no sway nor power. Catching him is nice, but it doesn't mean as much as it's being made out to mean. It's a Pyrrich Victory, ultimately Once again, I'll be impressed when they nab the Al-Qaeda higher-ups. Until then, to quote Sir Chuck of D., "DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!" Alex in NYC ---------- From: Thelamite5@aol.com To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED Date: Sun, Dec 14, 2003, 12:55 PM my response: "great, we have george bush for another four years..." -bill KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --MS_Mac_OE_3154258385_12647_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED
"Palestine is not Iraq. That has more to do with Israel than Iraq, doe= snt it? Of course, our ties to Israel does have a lot to do with attacks on = us."

I'm aware of that but the PALESTINE HOTEL that the car bomb just went off i= n front of is the hotel in *Baghdad* that is largely a base of operations fo= r western journalists.

Alex inNYC



----------
From: Jester <webmaster@killing-joke.com>
To: Gathering <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED
Date: Sun, Dec 14, 2003, 2:16 PM


CONFIRM YOUR WORST FEARS...

Just had a run in with my dads wife, going on about how great Bush is, and = how she feels safe..I sort of went off on her, in my usual way (hey, if you = guys are good enough for me to go off on, then she deserves the same treatme= nt, no? :)) and I am in shock. There are four home foreclosures and three ho= mes up for sale, just on their street. That is a definite sign Bush has fail= ed his people. Yet, we can spend BILLIONS on saving Iraq, when our initial g= oal, that we were fed, was WMDs...Where the fuck are they? Why the fuck did = we go over there? Who fucking cares about the outside when your own are in f= ucking need to this degree!

Palestine is not Iraq. That has more to do with Israel than Iraq, doesnt it= ? Of course, our ties to Israel does have a lot to do with attacks on us.
On 12/14/03 12:07 PM, "Alex Smith" <v= assifer@earthlink.net> wrote:


I'd *REALLY* hope that the voting American populace (sadly, less than half = the population) isn't so easily swayed by this....sorry....red herring. Yes,= it's undeniably great for troop morale, but for christ's sakes, Saddam was = hardly living the life of Reily. Much has been made of him living in a "= ;spider hole," but what do people expect? The man was on the run! Initi= al reports are they he's been dazed, confused and bizarrely talkative (read:= babbling like a loon). He's a *FIGUREHEAD*. His capture may sway *some* hea= rts and minds within Iraq, but the violence is continuing (just under a half= hour ago, there was a suicide car bomb outside of the Palestine Hotel). Ret= alition? Maybe, but I'm more inclined to think it was simply a message: &quo= t;You're Not out of the Woods Yet, Yankee Running Dogs!" Saddam had no = sway nor power. Catching him is nice, but it doesn't mean as much as it's be= ing made out to mean. It's a Pyrrich Victory, ultimately

Once again, I'll be impressed when they nab the Al-Qaeda higher-ups. Until = then, to quote Sir Chuck of D., "DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!"

Alex in NYC



----------
From: Thelamite5@aol.com
To: gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED
Date: Sun, Dec 14, 2003, 12:55 PM


my response:
 

"great, we have george bush for another four years..."
 
 
-bill
 




KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"

--MS_Mac_OE_3154258385_12647_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 14 20:05:21 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:05:21 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED In-Reply-To: <200312141953.hBEJrYcw005519@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154255522_3845006 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 12/14/03 1:53 PM, "Alex Smith" wrote: > > "Palestine is not Iraq. That has more to do with Israel than Iraq, doesnt it? > Of course, our ties to Israel does have a lot to do with attacks on us." > > I'm aware of that but the PALESTINE HOTEL that the car bomb just went off in > front of is the hotel in *Baghdad* that is largely a base of operations for > western journalists. > > Alex inNYC > Oops...my bad...My dyslexia just had me seeing Palestine...and I was like huh??? You know, like I am now...huh??? Bad jester, bad bad jester...stoopid..hahaha KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154255522_3845006 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED On 12/14/03 1:53 PM, &q= uot;Alex Smith" <vassifer@earthlink.net> wrote:


"Palestine is not Iraq. That has more to do with Israel than Iraq, doe= snt it? Of course, our ties to Israel does have a lot to do with attacks on = us."

I'm aware of that but the PALESTINE HOTEL that the car bomb just went off i= n front of is the hotel in *Baghdad* that is largely a base of operations fo= r western journalists.

Alex inNYC

Oops...my bad...My dyslexia just had me seeing Palestine...and I was lik= e huh???

You know, like I am now...huh???

Bad jester, bad bad jester...stoopid..hahaha

KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place = like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3154255522_3845006-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 14 23:25:01 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:25:01 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: :-/ In-Reply-To: <200312141953.hBEJrYcw005519@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154267502_4611130 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Ok...where the hell did everyone go??? Did I not get an invite to the party again? KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154267502_4611130 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT:  :-/ Ok...where the hell did= everyone go???

Did I not get an invite to the party again?


KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place = like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3154267502_4611130-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 03:28:57 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Thomas Kennedy) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:28:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED In-Reply-To: <200312141619.hBEGJUgt012451@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20031215032857.54575.qmail@web80401.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1039938184-1071458937=:53794 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I hope they don't catch Bin Laden until after the 3rd week of next November, or we can guarantee that Bush will get re-elected. I think with Saddam captured there will be a deflation of the resistance in Iraq, but not completely. Tom. Alex Smith wrote: I dunno, boys, I have to say that while it's good for morale, I wouldn't get too excited. Is it good that we (finally) captured Saddam? You bet, but I don't think it's going to cut down on the insurgency within Iraq at all (which seems spearheaded not by Baath party loyalists, but by radical Islamists who consider it a Jihad). Bottom line: wake me when they find Bin Laden and Al-Zawahiri. Still, one boil lanced, eh? Alex in NYC ---------- From: Thomas Kennedy To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED Date: Sun, Dec 14, 2003, 10:50 AM Good. Hopefully this bullshit war will finally end. Tom. Rob's Arse wrote: In case you haven't turned on your TV's or caught the radio or whatever, looks like they caught him! What next??????????????? _____________________________________________________________ Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of worldmap.com) _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering --0-1039938184-1071458937=:53794 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I hope they don't catch Bin Laden until after the 3rd week of next November, or we can guarantee that Bush will get re-elected.  I think with Saddam captured there will be a deflation of the resistance in Iraq, but not completely.
 
Tom.


Alex Smith <vassifer@earthlink.net> wrote:

I dunno, boys, I have to say that while it's good for morale, I wouldn't get too excited. Is it good that we (finally) captured Saddam? You bet, but I don't think it's going to cut down on the insurgency within Iraq at all (which seems spearheaded not by Baath party loyalists, but by radical Islamists who consider it a Jihad). Bottom line: wake me when they find Bin Laden and Al-Zawahiri.

Still, one boil lanced, eh?

Alex in NYC



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From: Thomas Kennedy <tkennedy1999@sbcglobal.net>
To: gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED
Date: Sun, Dec 14, 2003, 10:50 AM


Good.  Hopefully this bullshit war will finally end.
 
Tom.

Rob's Arse <joker@Z6.com> wrote:
In case you haven't turned on your TV's or caught the radio or whatever, looks like they caught him!

What next???????????????

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--0-1039938184-1071458937=:53794-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 05:51:58 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (DG) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:51:58 -0800 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED References: <1e5.159155c1.2d0e14f4@aol.com> Message-ID: <006501c3c2cf$93b53110$11effea9@BRAINSAW> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C3C28C.7F213AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not this American!!! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: GregSlawson@aol.com=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Sunday, 14 December, 2003 11:33 Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED Perfectly said, Pavel! Unfortunately, many Amercians still are = influenced by the slick propoganda that is our media. That's why we need = the new KJ album to speack some sense!=20 ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C3C28C.7F213AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not this American!!!
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM=20 CAPTURED

Perfectly said, Pavel! Unfortunately, many = Amercians still=20 are influenced by the slick propoganda that is our media. That's why = we need=20 the new KJ album to speack some sense! = ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C3C28C.7F213AC0-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 08:33:34 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Leigh Newton) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 00:33:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED In-Reply-To: <009801c3c26f$d77da540$c89d5651@LocalHost> Message-ID: <20031215083334.66185.qmail@web10404.mail.yahoo.com> Dipshit. --- Mark H wrote: > Those ragheads need someone like Saddam to keep them > in check. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jester" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:15 PM > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED > > > Wow...this reminds me of the old Course of Empire > song... > > Sins of the Fathers:1990. > > See this desert my son > This is our gift to you > You must build your vision here > Upon these ashes > With the sweat of your brow > And the blood upon your hands > You must earn your future > Or perish with the land > > I bore the sins of my fathers > Now you shall bear mine > And your children after you > All that changes is the time > Now I leave you my son > The world is in your hands > You must earn your future > Or perish with the land > > Hollow wasteland, I take the desert in my hand > Trampled spirit, turn your son into a man > I build the conscience from the ground > Reconstruct what you tore down > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ===== http://www.daiquiri.tvheaven.com http://www.tweek.tvheaven.com http://www.mp3.com/tweek http://www.mp3.com/green_lung __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 10:33:52 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:33:52 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED Message-ID: <34698f3418de.3418de34698f@iol.cz> It is like to say that Americans need Busha nd brainwashing to be kept in check. and I strongly disagree with both such conceptions. I think genetics already discovered that we are all essencial the same race. Human race is very genetically uniform in fact compared with any other species on this planet. So it is hard to believe that some people need to be kept in check and cannot decide for themselves. Pavel > Those ragheads need someone like Saddam to > keep them > in check. From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 10:53:11 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:53:11 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED Message-ID: <34c6cb34e05e.34e05e34c6cb@iol.cz> Palestine is very much related to Iraq and whole middle east crisis=2E US= A support Israeli state - the very racist state - by =243bn of military = aid and =242bn of economic aid=2E Why=3F Israel acts as US watchdog over = oil-rich region=2C keeps Arabs devided and vulnerable to outside control=2E= No matter that Israel is trying to complitely decimate Arab population on= so called occupied territories and even kills international observers th= ere=2E Israel-Arab conflict would exist if UK would not do its best to apply =22= divide and rule=22 tactic before WWII and if Israeli state would not be e= stablished in 1948 based on Jewish racial supremacy and injustice towards= local Arab population=2E = In fact there was no jewish-arab conflict in early stages of jewish immig= ration to Palestine=2E = PAVEL ----- P=F9vodn=ED zpr=E1va ----- Od=3A Jester =3Cwebmaster=40killing-joke=2Ecom=3E Datum=3A ned=ECle=2C 14=2E prosince 2003 v 8=3A16 odp P=F8edm=ECt=3A Re=3A =5Bkj=5D OT=3A SADDAM CAPTURED =3E CONFIRM YOUR WORST FEARS=2E=2E=2E =3E = =3E Just had a run in with my dads wife=2C going = =3E on about how great Bush is=2C and =3E how she feels safe=2E=2EI sort of went off on = =3E her=2C in my usual way (hey=2C if you =3E guys are good enough for me to go off on=2C = =3E then she deserves the same =3E treatment=2C no=3F =3A)) and I am in shock=2E There = =3E are four home foreclosures and =3E three homes up for sale=2C just on their = =3E street=2E That is a definite sign Bush =3E has failed his people=2E Yet=2C we can spend = =3E BILLIONS on saving Iraq=2C when our =3E initial goal=2C that we were fed=2C was = =3E WMD=3Fs=2E=2E=2EWhere the fuck are they=3F Why the =3E fuck did we go over there=3F Who fucking cares = =3E about the outside when your own =3E are in fucking need to this degree! =3E = =3E Palestine is not Iraq=2E That has more to do = =3E with Israel than Iraq=2C doesn=3Ft =3E it=3F Of course=2C our ties to Israel does have = =3E a lot to do with attacks on us=2E =3E = =3E On 12/14/03 12=3A07 PM=2C =22Alex Smith=22 = =3E =3Cvassifer=40earthlink=2Enet=3E wrote=3A =3E = =3E =3E = =3E =3E I=27d *REALLY* hope that the voting American = =3E populace (sadly=2C less than half the =3E =3E population) isn=27t so easily swayed by = =3E this=2E=2E=2E=2Esorry=2E=2E=2E=2Ered herring=2E Yes=2C it=27s =3E =3E undeniably great for troop morale=2C but for = =3E christ=27s sakes=2C Saddam was hardly =3E =3E living the life of Reily=2E Much has been = =3E made of him living in a =22spider hole=2C=22 =3E =3E but what do people expect=3F The man was on = =3E the run! Initial reports are they =3E =3E he=27s been dazed=2C confused and bizarrely = =3E talkative (read=3A babbling like a =3E =3E loon)=2E He=27s a *FIGUREHEAD*=2E His capture = =3E may sway *some* hearts and minds =3E =3E within Iraq=2C but the violence is = =3E continuing (just under a half hour ago=2C there =3E =3E was a suicide car bomb outside of the = =3E Palestine Hotel)=2E Retalition=3F Maybe=2C but =3E =3E I=27m more inclined to think it was simply a = =3E message=3A =22You=27re Not out of the =3E =3E Woods Yet=2C Yankee Running Dogs!=22 Saddam = =3E had no sway nor power=2E Catching him is =3E =3E nice=2C but it doesn=27t mean as much as it=27s = =3E being made out to mean=2E It=27s a =3E =3E Pyrrich Victory=2C ultimately =3E =3E = =3E =3E Once again=2C I=27ll be impressed when they = =3E nab the Al-Qaeda higher-ups=2E Until =3E =3E then=2C to quote Sir Chuck of D=2E=2C =22DON=27T = =3E BELIEVE THE HYPE!=22 =3E =3E = =3E =3E Alex in NYC =3E =3E = =3E =3E = =3E =3E = =3E =3E ---------- =3E =3E From=3A Thelamite5=40aol=2Ecom =3E =3E To=3A gathering=40misera=2Enet =3E =3E Subject=3A Re=3A =5Bkj=5D OT=3A SADDAM CAPTURED =3E =3E Date=3A Sun=2C Dec 14=2C 2003=2C 12=3A55 PM =3E =3E = =3E =3E = =3E =3E=3E my response=3A =3E =3E=3E = =3E =3E=3E = =3E =3E=3E =22great=2C we have george bush for another = =3E four years=2E=2E=2E=22 =3E =3E=3E = =3E =3E=3E = =3E =3E=3E -bill =3E =3E=3E = =3E =3E=3E = =3E =3E = =3E = =3E = =3E KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! =3E OCCISIO LOCATIO = =3E = =3E THE WEBMASTER=2C = =3E JESTER = =3E WWW=2EKILLING-JOKE=2ECOM =3E WWW=2EPARALLAX1=2ECOM = =3E = =3E There is no place like 127=2E0=2E0=2E1 =3E = =3E =22In a world without walls or fences=2C what = =3E use do we have for Windows or =3E Gates=3F=22 =3E = =3E From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 11:06:23 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:06:23 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED Message-ID: <34f7f6354c5c.354c5c34f7f6@iol.cz> fortunately there are limits to it=2E people cant be deceived forever=2E currently it all looks like Bush will get re-elected - especially after n= ews of new economic upswing and more jobs in last quarter=2E However the = economic growth in US cant be financed by consumer demand forever=2C espe= cially in situation of unprecedented household debts as well as state bud= get deficit=2E This brings US dollar down and makes money inflow in US fr= om abroad less attractive=2E Profit rates are still very low and overcapa= city in service and industry enourmous=2E It needs capital destruction to= bring about the more longer term growth=2E Crisis is imminent=2E the onl= y question for how long Bush can postpone it=2E any trouble in Iraq can h= amper his attempts=2E Any trouble faced in Iraq can have immidiate economic concequences - deva= luate US dollar or increase the oil prices=2E First would make difficult = to service the state debts=2C second would lower profit rate in US indust= ry=2E Pavel ----- P=F9vodn=ED zpr=E1va ----- Od=3A DG =3Cdamebo=40mindspring=2Ecom=3E Datum=3A pond=ECl=ED=2C 15=2E prosince 2003 v 6=3A51 dop P=F8edm=ECt=3A Re=3A =5Bkj=5D OT=3A SADDAM CAPTURED =3E Not this American!!! =3E ----- Original Message ----- = =3E From=3A GregSlawson=40aol=2Ecom = =3E To=3A gathering=40misera=2Enet = =3E Sent=3A Sunday=2C 14 December=2C 2003 11=3A33 =3E Subject=3A Re=3A =5Bkj=5D OT=3A SADDAM CAPTURED =3E = =3E = =3E Perfectly said=2C Pavel! Unfortunately=2C many = =3E Amercians still are influenced by the slick = =3E propoganda that is our media=2E That=27s why we = =3E need the new KJ album to speack some sense! = =3E From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 12:40:38 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:40:38 +0100 Subject: [kj] chat? Message-ID: <37a587378838.37883837a587@iol.cz> Anyone up for a bit of chat? http://www.killing-joke.com/chat/ From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 13:32:59 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:32:59 -0000 Subject: [kj] Blaine v Saddam Message-ID: <000801c3c310$05abbce0$73ccff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3C30F.F48B1FF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable im afraid to say i think saddam came out on top,i reckon saddams = thinking "44 days,bloody ameteur" ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3C30F.F48B1FF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
im afraid to say i think saddam came = out on top,i=20 reckon saddams thinking "44 days,bloody = ameteur"
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3C30F.F48B1FF0-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 13:39:44 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 07:39:44 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED In-Reply-To: <34c6cb34e05e.34e05e34c6cb@iol.cz> Message-ID: You still failed to demonstrate how Israel is related to what is going on a= s far as the war in Iraq. There is about as much of a correlation there as Iraq to Osama. None. Israel has everything to do with 9/11, and that group, Iraq has to do with oil and 10 year old grudges. On 12/15/03 4:53 AM, "xps1@quick.cz" wrote: > Palestine is very much related to Iraq and whole middle east crisis. USA > support Israeli state - the very racist state - by $3bn of military aid = and > $2bn of economic aid. Why? Israel acts as US watchdog over oil-rich regio= n, > keeps Arabs devided and vulnerable to outside control. > No matter that Israel is trying to complitely decimate Arab population on= so > called occupied territories and even kills international observers there. > Israel-Arab conflict would exist if UK would not do its best to apply "di= vide > and rule" tactic before WWII and if Israeli state would not be establishe= d in > 1948 based on Jewish racial supremacy and injustice towards local Arab > population.=20 > In fact there was no jewish-arab conflict in early stages of jewish > immigration to Palestine. >=20 > PAVEL >=20 > ----- P=F9vodn=ED zpr=E1va ----- > Od: Jester > Datum: ned=ECle, 14. prosince 2003 v 8:16 odp > P=F8edm=ECt: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED >=20 >> CONFIRM YOUR WORST FEARS... >>=20 >> Just had a run in with my dads wife, going >> on about how great Bush is, and >> how she feels safe..I sort of went off on >> her, in my usual way (hey, if you >> guys are good enough for me to go off on, >> then she deserves the same >> treatment, no? :)) and I am in shock. There >> are four home foreclosures and >> three homes up for sale, just on their >> street. That is a definite sign Bush >> has failed his people. Yet, we can spend >> BILLIONS on saving Iraq, when our >> initial goal, that we were fed, was >> WMD?s...Where the fuck are they? Why the >> fuck did we go over there? Who fucking cares >> about the outside when your own >> are in fucking need to this degree! >>=20 >> Palestine is not Iraq. That has more to do >> with Israel than Iraq, doesn?t >> it? Of course, our ties to Israel does have >> a lot to do with attacks on us. >>=20 >> On 12/14/03 12:07 PM, "Alex Smith" >> wrote: >>=20 >>>=20 >>> I'd *REALLY* hope that the voting American >> populace (sadly, less than half the >>> population) isn't so easily swayed by >> this....sorry....red herring. Yes, it's >>> undeniably great for troop morale, but for >> christ's sakes, Saddam was hardly >>> living the life of Reily. Much has been >> made of him living in a "spider hole," >>> but what do people expect? The man was on >> the run! Initial reports are they >>> he's been dazed, confused and bizarrely >> talkative (read: babbling like a >>> loon). He's a *FIGUREHEAD*. His capture >> may sway *some* hearts and minds >>> within Iraq, but the violence is >> continuing (just under a half hour ago, there >>> was a suicide car bomb outside of the >> Palestine Hotel). Retalition? Maybe, but >>> I'm more inclined to think it was simply a >> message: "You're Not out of the >>> Woods Yet, Yankee Running Dogs!" Saddam >> had no sway nor power. Catching him is >>> nice, but it doesn't mean as much as it's >> being made out to mean. It's a >>> Pyrrich Victory, ultimately >>>=20 >>> Once again, I'll be impressed when they >> nab the Al-Qaeda higher-ups. Until >>> then, to quote Sir Chuck of D., "DON'T >> BELIEVE THE HYPE!" >>>=20 >>> Alex in NYC >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> ---------- >>> From: Thelamite5@aol.com >>> To: gathering@misera.net >>> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED >>> Date: Sun, Dec 14, 2003, 12:55 PM >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> my response: >>>> =20 >>>>=20 >>>> "great, we have george bush for another >> four years..." >>>> =20 >>>> =20 >>>> -bill >>>> =20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! >> OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 >>=20 >> THE WEBMASTER,=20 >> JESTER=20 >> WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM >> WWW.PARALLAX1.COM >>=20 >> There is no place like 127.0.0.1 >>=20 >> "In a world without walls or fences, what >> use do we have for Windows or >> Gates?" >>=20 >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >=20 >=20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 13:55:26 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:55:26 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED Message-ID: <39924739f71c.39f71c399247@iol.cz> Yes=2C my a bit broken ability to express myself in english leads to some= what messy argumentation=2E However=2C there is several links=2E a) Israel is genderme of USA in the region and Iraq under Sadam after fir= st Gulf war was a threat to Israel (e=2Eg=2E in first gulf war Iraq sent = couple of missile to Israel)=2E b) Sadam failed to follow its original masters since that time and in tha= t respect it Iraq was seen as a resisting nation to USA (and Israel regin= ally) and its very existence was certain boost to Palestinian resistance=2E= c) latest war against Iraq also allowed Israel to go on offensive in Occu= pied Territories and intensify campaign of murders of Palestinian resista= nce leaders as well as home destruction=2C cutting off water supply to Pa= lestinian towns and villages=2C etc=2E Much stronger Israel and US troops stationed in Iraq are the best guarant= ors of oil control by US corp=2E not only in Iraq=2C but also in Saudi Ar= abia whose (btw possibly even worse and really backward) pro-US regime is= shaking (unstable) and US-unfriendly forces can come to power in palace = coup=2C for example=2E Possibly this is still not satisfactory reply=2C but maybe I misunderstoo= d what was meant originally=2E Pavel ----- P=F9vodn=ED zpr=E1va ----- Od=3A Jester =3Cwebmaster=40killing-joke=2Ecom=3E Datum=3A pond=ECl=ED=2C 15=2E prosince 2003 v 2=3A39 odp P=F8edm=ECt=3A Re=3A =5Bkj=5D OT=3A SADDAM CAPTURED =3E You still failed to demonstrate how Israel = =3E is related to what is going on as =3E far as the war in Iraq=2E There is about as = =3E much of a correlation there as =3E Iraq to Osama=2E None=2E Israel has everything = =3E to do with 9/11=2C and that group=2C =3E Iraq has to do with oil and 10 year old grudges=2E =3E = =3E On 12/15/03 4=3A53 AM=2C =22xps1=40quick=2Ecz=22 = =3E =3Cxps1=40quick=2Ecz=3E wrote=3A =3E = =3E =3E Palestine is very much related to Iraq and = =3E whole middle east crisis=2E USA =3E =3E support Israeli state - the very racist = =3E state - by =243bn of military aid and =3E =3E =242bn of economic aid=2E Why=3F Israel acts as = =3E US watchdog over oil-rich region=2C =3E =3E keeps Arabs devided and vulnerable to = =3E outside control=2E =3E =3E No matter that Israel is trying to = =3E complitely decimate Arab population on so =3E =3E called occupied territories and even kills = =3E international observers there=2E =3E =3E Israel-Arab conflict would exist if UK = =3E would not do its best to apply =22divide =3E =3E and rule=22 tactic before WWII and if = =3E Israeli state would not be established in =3E =3E 1948 based on Jewish racial supremacy and = =3E injustice towards local Arab =3E =3E population=2E = =3E =3E In fact there was no jewish-arab conflict = =3E in early stages of jewish =3E =3E immigration to Palestine=2E =3E =3E = =3E =3E PAVEL =3E =3E = =3E =3E ----- P=F9vodn=ED zpr=E1va ----- =3E =3E Od=3A Jester =3Cwebmaster=40killing-joke=2Ecom=3E =3E =3E Datum=3A ned=ECle=2C 14=2E prosince 2003 v 8=3A16 odp =3E =3E P=F8edm=ECt=3A Re=3A =5Bkj=5D OT=3A SADDAM CAPTURED =3E =3E = =3E =3E=3E CONFIRM YOUR WORST FEARS=2E=2E=2E =3E =3E=3E = =3E =3E=3E Just had a run in with my dads wife=2C going =3E =3E=3E on about how great Bush is=2C and =3E =3E=3E how she feels safe=2E=2EI sort of went off on =3E =3E=3E her=2C in my usual way (hey=2C if you =3E =3E=3E guys are good enough for me to go off on=2C =3E =3E=3E then she deserves the same =3E =3E=3E treatment=2C no=3F =3A)) and I am in shock=2E There =3E =3E=3E are four home foreclosures and =3E =3E=3E three homes up for sale=2C just on their =3E =3E=3E street=2E That is a definite sign Bush =3E =3E=3E has failed his people=2E Yet=2C we can spend =3E =3E=3E BILLIONS on saving Iraq=2C when our =3E =3E=3E initial goal=2C that we were fed=2C was =3E =3E=3E WMD=3Fs=2E=2E=2EWhere the fuck are they=3F Why the =3E =3E=3E fuck did we go over there=3F Who fucking cares =3E =3E=3E about the outside when your own =3E =3E=3E are in fucking need to this degree! =3E =3E=3E = =3E =3E=3E Palestine is not Iraq=2E That has more to do =3E =3E=3E with Israel than Iraq=2C doesn=3Ft =3E =3E=3E it=3F Of course=2C our ties to Israel does have =3E =3E=3E a lot to do with attacks on us=2E =3E =3E=3E = =3E =3E=3E On 12/14/03 12=3A07 PM=2C =22Alex Smith=22 =3E =3E=3E =3Cvassifer=40earthlink=2Enet=3E wrote=3A =3E =3E=3E = =3E =3E=3E=3E = =3E =3E=3E=3E I=27d *REALLY* hope that the voting American =3E =3E=3E populace (sadly=2C less than half the =3E =3E=3E=3E population) isn=27t so easily swayed by =3E =3E=3E this=2E=2E=2E=2Esorry=2E=2E=2E=2Ered herring=2E Yes=2C it=27s =3E =3E=3E=3E undeniably great for troop morale=2C but for =3E =3E=3E christ=27s sakes=2C Saddam was hardly =3E =3E=3E=3E living the life of Reily=2E Much has been =3E =3E=3E made of him living in a =22spider hole=2C=22 =3E =3E=3E=3E but what do people expect=3F The man was on =3E =3E=3E the run! Initial reports are they =3E =3E=3E=3E he=27s been dazed=2C confused and bizarrely =3E =3E=3E talkative (read=3A babbling like a =3E =3E=3E=3E loon)=2E He=27s a *FIGUREHEAD*=2E His capture =3E =3E=3E may sway *some* hearts and minds =3E =3E=3E=3E within Iraq=2C but the violence is =3E =3E=3E continuing (just under a half hour ago=2C there =3E =3E=3E=3E was a suicide car bomb outside of the =3E =3E=3E Palestine Hotel)=2E Retalition=3F Maybe=2C but =3E =3E=3E=3E I=27m more inclined to think it was simply a =3E =3E=3E message=3A =22You=27re Not out of the =3E =3E=3E=3E Woods Yet=2C Yankee Running Dogs!=22 Saddam =3E =3E=3E had no sway nor power=2E Catching him is =3E =3E=3E=3E nice=2C but it doesn=27t mean as much as it=27s =3E =3E=3E being made out to mean=2E It=27s a =3E =3E=3E=3E Pyrrich Victory=2C ultimately =3E =3E=3E=3E = =3E =3E=3E=3E Once again=2C I=27ll be impressed when they =3E =3E=3E nab the Al-Qaeda higher-ups=2E Until =3E =3E=3E=3E then=2C to quote Sir Chuck of D=2E=2C =22DON=27T =3E =3E=3E BELIEVE THE HYPE!=22 =3E =3E=3E=3E = =3E =3E=3E=3E Alex in NYC =3E =3E=3E=3E = =3E =3E=3E=3E = =3E =3E=3E=3E = =3E =3E=3E=3E ---------- =3E =3E=3E=3E From=3A Thelamite5=40aol=2Ecom =3E =3E=3E=3E To=3A gathering=40misera=2Enet =3E =3E=3E=3E Subject=3A Re=3A =5Bkj=5D OT=3A SADDAM CAPTURED =3E =3E=3E=3E Date=3A Sun=2C Dec 14=2C 2003=2C 12=3A55 PM =3E =3E=3E=3E = =3E =3E=3E=3E = =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E my response=3A =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E = =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E = =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E =22great=2C we have george bush for another =3E =3E=3E four years=2E=2E=2E=22 =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E = =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E = =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E -bill =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E = =3E =3E=3E=3E=3E = =3E =3E=3E=3E = =3E =3E=3E = =3E =3E=3E = =3E =3E=3E KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! =3E =3E=3E OCCISIO LOCATIO = =3E =3E=3E = =3E =3E=3E THE WEBMASTER=2C = =3E =3E=3E JESTER = =3E =3E=3E WWW=2EKILLING-JOKE=2ECOM =3E =3E=3E WWW=2EPARALLAX1=2ECOM =3E =3E=3E = =3E =3E=3E There is no place like 127=2E0=2E0=2E1 =3E =3E=3E = =3E =3E=3E =22In a world without walls or fences=2C what =3E =3E=3E use do we have for Windows or =3E =3E=3E Gates=3F=22 =3E =3E=3E = =3E =3E=3E = =3E =3E = =3E =3E = =3E =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=3E= Gathering mailing list =3E =3E Gathering=40misera=2Enet =3E =3E = =3E http=3A//four=2Epairlist=2Enet/mailman/listinfo/gathering=3E = =3E =3E = =3E = =3E KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! =3E OCCISIO LOCATIO = =3E = =3E THE WEBMASTER=2C = =3E JESTER = =3E WWW=2EKILLING-JOKE=2ECOM =3E WWW=2EPARALLAX1=2ECOM = =3E = =3E There is no place like 127=2E0=2E0=2E1 =3E = =3E =22In a world without walls or fences=2C what = =3E use do we have for Windows or =3E Gates=3F=22 =3E = =3E =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F =3E Gathering mailing list =3E Gathering=40misera=2Enet =3E http=3A//four=2Epairlist=2Enet/mailman/listinfo/gathering =3E From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 14:04:34 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 08:04:34 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED In-Reply-To: <34c6cb34e05e.34e05e34c6cb@iol.cz> Message-ID: On 12/15/03 4:53 AM, "xps1@quick.cz" wrote: > by $3bn of military aid and > $2bn of economic aid. Why? Israel acts as US watchdog over oil-rich region, > keeps Arabs devided and vulnerable to outside control. Come on Pavel, your smarter than that. Israel doesn?t do what the US wants, as far as that or anything else goes. The reason the US is in bed with Israel is much much uglier than that. The Jewish population here in the states has a lot more to do with our alliance to Israel. Just like with other (very recent) wars, where we have asked Israel not to attack the country we are invading, if they are bombed, that we will handle it. Israel's response? Fuck you, we do what we want, we will attack, and we don?t care if your troops get hit. We give money to Israel because a lot of control and money is with our Jewish population. Just ask Spielberg about palm greasing to help the motherland. Yes, a lot of our problems would be solved the second we told Israel to fuck off. Iraq STILL would have invades Kuwait, and that has nothing to do with Israel. KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 14:16:13 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 08:16:13 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED In-Reply-To: <39924739f71c.39f71c399247@iol.cz> Message-ID: On 12/15/03 7:55 AM, "xps1@quick.cz" wrote: > Yes, my a bit broken ability to express myself in english leads to somewhat > messy argumentation. > However, there is several links. > a) Israel is genderme of USA in the region and Iraq under Sadam after first > Gulf war was a threat to Israel (e.g. in first gulf war Iraq sent couple of > missile to Israel). Kuwait had more to do with that war, and their accused "over production" of oil....Nothing had to do with Israel except us wanting to give them some protection. > b) Sadam failed to follow its original masters since that time and in that > respect it Iraq was seen as a resisting nation to USA (and Israel reginally) > and its very existence was certain boost to Palestinian resistance. All nations other than Israel are pretty much resisting nations to the US. The Palestinian resistance is boosted by occupation of Israel. Do you really think they need more reason to be boosted than the way they are treated like fucking animals...like dogs on the floor. If you are allowed to live, they impose curfews and shit > c) latest war against Iraq also allowed Israel to go on offensive in Occupied > Territories and intensify campaign of murders of Palestinian resistance > leaders as well as home destruction, cutting off water supply to Palestinian > towns and villages, etc. No it didn?t. No, you are completely off there. We asked Israel NOT to go on any offensive. Israel told us to go fuck ourselves. They didn?t care if our troops were there or not, and cared not if our troops got hit by their attack. > > Much stronger Israel and US troops stationed in Iraq are the best guarantors > of oil control by US corp. not only in Iraq, but also in Saudi Arabia whose > (btw possibly even worse and really backward) pro-US regime is shaking > (unstable) and US-unfriendly forces can come to power in palace coup, for > example. True, very true. But, that has nothing to do with Israel being the reason for the war, or otherwise having anything to do with it. When Israel gets bombed, it is Palestinian related, and due to the horrible conditions the Israelis have imposed on them. I think if we were put in that situation, we would have a few suicide bombers too. > > Possibly this is still not satisfactory reply, but maybe I misunderstood what > was meant originally. Well, there is NO doubt that a lot..shit, most of our problems stem from this alliance with a horrible, racist, evil country. On that we will pretty much all agree on. We end our alliance with them, and kill the occupation, oppression, and I bet ya the Arab states will shit us a golden egg...of course it will be black gold. Thing is, I don?t think that will ever be allowed to happen. > > Pavel KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 14:28:00 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:28:00 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED Message-ID: <3a64783a4f0a.3a4f0a3a6478@iol.cz> I agree. The US Jewish population is the aspect to it too. but major one. and true Israel is sometimes doing things about which US administration is not very happy. look, recently israel has broken up peace agreement and what US administration did? just few phrases/calls to calm down and even that very late. It was not meant. I still think major reason for US-Israel "friendship" is US need for region oil control in return for tolerance of Israeli expansionism. Pavel From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 14:53:45 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:53:45 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED Message-ID: <3af06f3b0a60.3b0a603af06f@iol.cz> I see there is not so much difference between us. just nuances. I dont claim Israel is a reason for war. just that it is one part of the whole picture. Nothing had to do with Israel except > us wanting to give them some > protection. Yes... protection of Israel, not only in the 1st gulf war, but potencially also afterwards. > All nations other than Israel are pretty > much resisting nations to the US. > The Palestinian resistance is boosted by > occupation of Israel. Do you really > think they need more reason to be boosted > than the way they are treated like > fucking animals...like dogs on the floor. If > you are allowed to live, they > impose curfews and shit I dont think Palestinians need any more reasons for resistance. But it is not true that Arab states are resisting USA. Egypt and Jordan for example are not at all, I mean their regimes/governments. But isnt it boost to resistance if you think there is Arab state that resist USA and Israel for those Palestinians involved in Intifada? > No it didn?t. No, you are completely off > there. We asked Israel NOT to go on > any offensive. Israel told us to go fuck > ourselves. They didn?t care if our > troops were there or not, and cared not if > our troops got hit by their > attack. If any other country would say that it would be in a big trouble. In case of Israel it is tolerated. US attack on Iraq allowed Sharon to go on offensive whether US administration was happy about it or not. It was not at the point because it would put more oil into fire in Arab world where there was unrest already because of attack on Iraq. But Israel got easily through it also thanks to backing by USA like father backs spoiled sun. > True, very true. But, that has nothing to do > with Israel being the reason > for the war, or otherwise having anything to > do with it. When Israel gets > bombed, it is Palestinian related, and due > to the horrible conditions the > Israelis have imposed on them. I think if we > were put in that situation, we > would have a few suicide bombers too. absolutely. > Well, there is NO doubt that a lot..shit, > most of our problems stem from > this alliance with a horrible, racist, evil > country. On that we will pretty > much all agree on. We end our alliance with > them, and kill the occupation, > oppression, and I bet ya the Arab states > will shit us a golden egg...of > course it will be black gold. Thing is, I > don?t think that will ever be > allowed to happen. The problem however would be that Arabs would want their oil back. thats why this will hardly ever happen that USA would stop supporting Israel. 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--Alt-Boundary-29633.12100089-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 16:41:33 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mark H) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:41:33 -0000 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED References: <20031215083334.66185.qmail@web10404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00af01c3c32a$4d157340$c89d5651@LocalHost> Nah, just a bit of trolling. Sorry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leigh Newton" To: Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED > Dipshit. > > --- Mark H wrote: > > Those ragheads need someone like Saddam to keep them > > in check. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jester" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:15 PM > > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED > > > > > > Wow...this reminds me of the old Course of Empire > > song... > > > > Sins of the Fathers:1990. > > > > See this desert my son > > This is our gift to you > > You must build your vision here > > Upon these ashes > > With the sweat of your brow > > And the blood upon your hands > > You must earn your future > > Or perish with the land > > > > I bore the sins of my fathers > > Now you shall bear mine > > And your children after you > > All that changes is the time > > Now I leave you my son > > The world is in your hands > > You must earn your future > > Or perish with the land > > > > Hollow wasteland, I take the desert in my hand > > Trampled spirit, turn your son into a man > > I build the conscience from the ground > > Reconstruct what you tore down > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > ===== > http://www.daiquiri.tvheaven.com > http://www.tweek.tvheaven.com > http://www.mp3.com/tweek > http://www.mp3.com/green_lung > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 02:29:55 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Pat Tofield) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:29:55 -0800 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c3c37c$83685640$790aa8c0@PATRICK> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C3C339.75451640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Well, there is NO doubt that a lot..shit, most of our problems stem from >this alliance with a horrible, racist, evil country. On that we will pretty >much all agree on. We end our alliance with them, and kill the occupation, >oppression, and I bet ya the Arab states will shit us a golden egg People......with all due respect, may I suggest that you come and stay with me here in Israel for a year or two, read a few history books, then walk around and see what the fuck *REALLY* goes on here before you write such things about this 'evil' country. I do agree with some points made in these posts but others are simply not based in fact and are inflammatory and counter productive. Some people around the world hold the view that the US is "a horrible, racist, evil country"....I have the sneaking suspicion that some of these people might be Arabs too, so I wouldn't stick around for some "golden egg". Bye the way, I am not Jewish or an Israeli but I do live here and have done for some 13 years.....yes I arrived here at the start of the first gulf war and spent my first night in a gas mask watching scud missiles fall a couple of miles away from where I was staying - initiation by fire (or stupidity!!)....!!. Anyway, there are many people here who would love to see the back of Sharon as many people in the US would love to see the back of Bush. I for one was stunned that Sharon he was elected to be prime minister at all. A lot of people chose not to remember that his little jaunt up the Dome of the Rock ( very holy Arab place of worship in East Jerusalem ) caused rioting that lead to the ongoing intafada...). However, people ARE working hard, on all sides, to create change in this country that would result in Palestinians statehood and dignity, in the hopes that this would lead to security and an atmosphere of co-existence - which, bye the way, is exactly what some areas of the country experience today....throwbacks to how it used to be many years ago. Anyway....I could go on, but I won't as I spend half my life going on to people who actually don't give a shit,.......... just like to sound like they do. Pat -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of Jester Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 6:16 AM To: Gathering Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED On 12/15/03 7:55 AM, "xps1@quick.cz" wrote: > Yes, my a bit broken ability to express myself in english leads to somewhat > messy argumentation. > However, there is several links. > a) Israel is genderme of USA in the region and Iraq under Sadam after first > Gulf war was a threat to Israel (e.g. in first gulf war Iraq sent couple of > missile to Israel). Kuwait had more to do with that war, and their accused "over production" of oil....Nothing had to do with Israel except us wanting to give them some protection. > b) Sadam failed to follow its original masters since that time and in that > respect it Iraq was seen as a resisting nation to USA (and Israel reginally) > and its very existence was certain boost to Palestinian resistance. All nations other than Israel are pretty much resisting nations to the US. The Palestinian resistance is boosted by occupation of Israel. Do you really think they need more reason to be boosted than the way they are treated like fucking animals...like dogs on the floor. If you are allowed to live, they impose curfews and shit > c) latest war against Iraq also allowed Israel to go on offensive in Occupied > Territories and intensify campaign of murders of Palestinian resistance > leaders as well as home destruction, cutting off water supply to Palestinian > towns and villages, etc. No it didn?t. No, you are completely off there. We asked Israel NOT to go on any offensive. Israel told us to go fuck ourselves. They didn?t care if our troops were there or not, and cared not if our troops got hit by their attack. > > Much stronger Israel and US troops stationed in Iraq are the best guarantors > of oil control by US corp. not only in Iraq, but also in Saudi Arabia whose > (btw possibly even worse and really backward) pro-US regime is shaking > (unstable) and US-unfriendly forces can come to power in palace coup, for > example. True, very true. But, that has nothing to do with Israel being the reason for the war, or otherwise having anything to do with it. When Israel gets bombed, it is Palestinian related, and due to the horrible conditions the Israelis have imposed on them. I think if we were put in that situation, we would have a few suicide bombers too. > > Possibly this is still not satisfactory reply, but maybe I misunderstood what > was meant originally. Well, there is NO doubt that a lot..shit, most of our problems stem from this alliance with a horrible, racist, evil country. On that we will pretty much all agree on. We end our alliance with them, and kill the occupation, oppression, and I bet ya the Arab states will shit us a golden egg...of course it will be black gold. Thing is, I don?t think that will ever be allowed to happen. > > Pavel KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C3C339.75451640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>Well, there is NO doubt that a lot..shit, most of our problems stem = from

>this alliance with a = horrible, racist, evil country. On that we will = pretty

>much all agree on. We end our alliance = with them, and kill the occupation,

>oppression, = and I bet ya the Arab states will shit us a golden = egg

 

 

 

People......with all due respect, may I suggest that you come and stay with me here in = Israel for a year or two, read a few history books, then walk around and see = what the fuck *REALLY* goes on = here before you write such things about this ‘evil’ country. I do agree = with some points made in these posts but others are simply not based in fact = and are inflammatory and counter productive.

 

Some people around the world hold the view that the = US is “a horrible, racist, evil country”....I have the sneaking = suspicion that some of these people might be Arabs too, so I wouldn’t stick = around for some “golden egg”.

 

Bye the way, I am not Jewish or an Israeli but I do live here and have done = for some 13 years.....yes I arrived here at the start of the first gulf war = and spent my first night in a gas mask watching scud missiles fall a couple = of miles away from where I was staying – initiation by fire (or stupidity!!)....!!.

 

Anyway, there are many people here who would love to see the back of = Sharon as many people in the = US would love to see the back of Bush. I for one was stunned that = Sharon he was elected to be prime minister at all. A lot of people chose not to = remember that his little jaunt up the Dome of the Rock ( = very holy Arab place of worship in East Jerusalem ) = caused rioting that lead to the ongoing intafada...). However, people ARE working hard, on all sides, to create change in this country = that would result in Palestinians statehood and dignity, in the hopes that = this would lead to security and an atmosphere of co-existence – which, = bye the way, is exactly what some areas of the country experience = today....throwbacks to how it used to be many years ago.

 

Anyway....I could go on, but I won’t as I spend half my life going on to = people who actually don’t give a shit,.......... just like to sound like they = do.

 

Pat

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On = Behalf Of Jester
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 6:16 = AM
To: Gathering
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM = CAPTURED

 

On 12/15/03 7:55 AM, "xps1@quick.cz" <xps1@quick.cz> = wrote:

 

> Yes, my a bit broken ability to express myself in english leads to = somewhat

> messy argumentation.

> However, there is several links.

> a) Israel is genderme of USA in the region and Iraq under Sadam after = first

> Gulf war was a threat to Israel (e.g. in first gulf war Iraq sent couple = of

> missile to Israel).

 

Kuwait had more to do with that war, and their accused "over = production" of

oil....Nothing had to do with = Israel except us wanting to give them some

protection.

 

 

> b) Sadam failed to follow its original masters since that time and in = that

> respect it Iraq was seen as a resisting nation to USA (and Israel = reginally)

> and its very existence was certain boost to Palestinian = resistance.

 

All nations other than Israel are pretty much resisting nations to the = US.

The Palestinian resistance is boosted by occupation of Israel. Do you = really

think they need more reason to be boosted than the way they are treated = like

fucking animals...like dogs on the floor. If you are allowed to live, = they

impose curfews and shit

 

> c) latest war against = Iraq also allowed = Israel to go on offensive in Occupied

> Territories and intensify campaign of murders of Palestinian = resistance

> leaders as well as home destruction, cutting off water supply to = Palestinian

> towns and villages, etc.

 

No it didn?t. No, you are completely off there. We asked Israel NOT to go = on

any offensive. = Israel told us to go fuck ourselves. They didn?t care if our

troops were there or not, and cared not if our troops got hit by = their

attack.

>

> Much stronger = Israel and US = troops stationed in = Iraq are the best guarantors

> of oil control by = US corp. not only in = Iraq, but also in Saudi = Arabia whose

> (btw possibly even worse and really backward) pro-US regime is = shaking

> (unstable) and US-unfriendly forces can come to power in palace coup, = for

> example.

 

True, very true. But, that has nothing to do with = Israel being the reason

for the war, or otherwise having anything to do with it. When = Israel gets

bombed, it is Palestinian related, and due to the horrible conditions = the

Israelis have imposed on them. I think if we were put in that situation, = we

would have a few suicide bombers too.

>

> Possibly this is still not satisfactory reply, but maybe I misunderstood = what

> was meant originally.

 

Well, there is NO doubt that a lot..shit, most of our problems stem = from

this alliance with a horrible, racist, evil country. On that we will = pretty

much all agree on. We end our alliance with them, and kill the = occupation,

oppression, and I bet ya the Arab states will shit us a golden = egg...of

course it will be black gold. Thing is, I don?t think that will ever = be

allowed to happen.

>

> Pavel

 

 

 

KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!

OCCISIO LOCATIO

 

THE WEBMASTER,

JESTER

WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM<= /p>

WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

 

There is no place like 127.0.0.1

 

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows = or

Gates?"

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C3C339.75451640-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 17:43:30 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:43:30 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED In-Reply-To: <000001c3c37c$83685640$790aa8c0@PATRICK> Message-ID: Pat, perhaps you would like to elaborate, rather than take the easy way out by requesting something not very likely to happen...such as living in Israel. ( Hey, but if someone wants to pay my flight and put me up for a while till I get myself settled, I would gladly be up for the experience.) Maybe, say, by addressing the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip. "Arabs have always been fiercely opposed to terrorism in all its forms," th= e Syrian official daily newspaper Al Baath said in a recent editorial. However, it said they also support "legitimate resistance against occupation."=20 The US was a horrible racist country. Just ask the native Americans. Ask th= e freed slaves. America does have an ugly side, or at least did. But currently, we are not the country that is being compared, actively, with South African apartheid. When Israeli's forbid Palestinians from using hospitals, going to school, and imposing the fucked up curfews, then yes, people look at that as being fucking horrible. Last time I drove around, we had no occupied territory that consisted of numerous check points, and I ca= n get medical care where I choose, so can you, so can Lee Roy the janitor, an= d Damian the Billionaire. Even international law states that the Israeli government's actions are "immoral and illegal". The U.N. Security Council resolution 242, passed 35 years ago says that the Israeli occupation of the territories should end, and that a resolution of the right of return for Palestinian refugees shoul= d be established. Security Council resolution 194, was passed 19 years earlier, and says that all Palestinian refugees should be allowed the right of return and that those who decide not to return shall be financially compensated. Neither resolution has been acted on, and the struggle continues today, to an even more fucked up extent. The number of settlement= s has increased and the situations of the refugees has worsened. So tell me, Pat, what am I missing? Are there really no check points? Are the Palestinians allowed the same exact same rights as Israeli's? Are there no curfews? Does Israel not really hold occupation of the West Bank and Gaza? Or, are the Palestinians just getting what they deserve? You know, cause they are a lesser people than Israeli's, right? On 12/15/03 8:29 PM, "Pat Tofield" wrote: >> Well, there is NO doubt that a lot..shit, most of our problems stem from >> this alliance with a horrible, racist, evil country. On that we will pre= tty >> much all agree on. We end our alliance with them, and kill the occupatio= n, >> oppression, and I bet ya the Arab states will shit us a golden egg >=20 >=20 >=20 > People......with all due respect, may I suggest that you come and stay wi= th me > here in Israel for a year or two, read a few history books, then walk aro= und > and see what the fuck *REALLY* goes on here before you write such things = about > this =8Cevil=B9 country. I do agree with some points made in these posts but > others are simply not based in fact and are inflammatory and counter > productive.=20 >=20 > Some people around the world hold the view that the US is =B3a horrible, ra= cist, > evil country=B2....I have the sneaking suspicion that some of these people = might > be Arabs too, so I wouldn=B9t stick around for some =B3golden egg=B2. >=20 > Bye the way, I am not Jewish or an Israeli but I do live here and have do= ne > for some 13 years.....yes I arrived here at the start of the first gulf w= ar > and spent my first night in a gas mask watching scud missiles fall a coup= le of > miles away from where I was staying =AD initiation by fire (or > stupidity!!)....!!. >=20 > Anyway, there are many people here who would love to see the back of Shar= on as > many people in the US would love to see the back of Bush. I for one was > stunned that Sharon he was elected to be prime minister at all. A lot of > people chose not to remember that his little jaunt up the Dome of the Roc= k ( > very holy Arab place of worship in East Jerusalem ) caused rioting that l= ead > to the ongoing intafada...). However, people ARE working hard, on all sid= es, > to create change in this country that would result in Palestinians stateh= ood > and dignity, in the hopes that this would lead to security and an atmosph= ere > of co-existence =AD which, bye the way, is exactly what some areas of the > country experience today....throwbacks to how it used to be many years ag= o. >=20 > Anyway....I could go on, but I won=B9t as I spend half my life going on to > people who actually don=B9t give a shit,.......... just like to sound like = they > do. >=20 > Pat >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On B= ehalf > Of Jester > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 6:16 AM > To: Gathering > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED >=20 > On 12/15/03 7:55 AM, "xps1@quick.cz" wrote: >=20 >> Yes, my a bit broken ability to express myself in english leads to somew= hat >> messy argumentation. >> However, there is several links. >> a) Israel is genderme of USA in the region and Iraq under Sadam after fi= rst >> Gulf war was a threat to Israel (e.g. in first gulf war Iraq sent couple= of >> missile to Israel). >=20 > Kuwait had more to do with that war, and their accused "over production" = of > oil....Nothing had to do with Israel except us wanting to give them some > protection. >=20 >=20 >> b) Sadam failed to follow its original masters since that time and in th= at >> respect it Iraq was seen as a resisting nation to USA (and Israel regina= lly) >> and its very existence was certain boost to Palestinian resistance. >=20 > All nations other than Israel are pretty much resisting nations to the US= . > The Palestinian resistance is boosted by occupation of Israel. Do you rea= lly > think they need more reason to be boosted than the way they are treated l= ike > fucking animals...like dogs on the floor. If you are allowed to live, the= y > impose curfews and shit >=20 >> c) latest war against Iraq also allowed Israel to go on offensive in Occ= upied >> Territories and intensify campaign of murders of Palestinian resistance >> leaders as well as home destruction, cutting off water supply to Palesti= nian >> towns and villages, etc. >=20 > No it didn?t. No, you are completely off there. We asked Israel NOT to go= on > any offensive. Israel told us to go fuck ourselves. They didn?t care if o= ur > troops were there or not, and cared not if our troops got hit by their > attack. >>=20 >> Much stronger Israel and US troops stationed in Iraq are the best guaran= tors >> of oil control by US corp. not only in Iraq, but also in Saudi Arabia wh= ose >> (btw possibly even worse and really backward) pro-US regime is shaking >> (unstable) and US-unfriendly forces can come to power in palace coup, fo= r >> example. >=20 > True, very true. But, that has nothing to do with Israel being the reason > for the war, or otherwise having anything to do with it. When Israel gets > bombed, it is Palestinian related, and due to the horrible conditions the > Israelis have imposed on them. I think if we were put in that situation, = we > would have a few suicide bombers too. >>=20 >> Possibly this is still not satisfactory reply, but maybe I misunderstood= what >> was meant originally. >=20 > Well, there is NO doubt that a lot..shit, most of our problems stem from > this alliance with a horrible, racist, evil country. On that we will pret= ty > much all agree on. We end our alliance with them, and kill the occupation= , > oppression, and I bet ya the Arab states will shit us a golden egg...of > course it will be black gold. Thing is, I don?t think that will ever be > allowed to happen. >>=20 >> Pavel >=20 >=20 >=20 > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! > OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 >=20 > THE WEBMASTER,=20 > JESTER=20 > WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM > WWW.PARALLAX1.COM >=20 > There is no place like 127.0.0.1 >=20 > "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or > Gates?" >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >=20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 18:40:30 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:40:30 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <001701c3c33b$07cce0a0$79cdff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3C33A.EAA42010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Israel is our allie,When the next big war comes,the west needs someone = in the middle east,Israel.One day Israels nuclear bombs might be = protecting us, remember in 1981 when israel bombed Iraqs nuclear = facility,the whole world condemed israel.maybe we should thank them now. how can anybody be opposed against the Iraq war,When saddams thugs = brutalised people like us.I hear you say the war was about = oil.question;What do you put in your car.what heats your house.Yes oil = .guess where it comes from. The sword of islam wants us destroyed,Its war ,whose side are you on ? I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi symphathisers. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3C33A.EAA42010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Israel is our allie,When the next big = war comes,the=20 west needs someone in the middle east,Israel.One day Israels nuclear = bombs might=20 be protecting us, remember in 1981 when israel bombed Iraqs nuclear = facility,the=20 whole world condemed israel.maybe we should thank them now.
     how can = anybody be opposed=20 against the Iraq war,When saddams thugs brutalised people like us.I hear = you say=20 the war was about oil.question;What do you put in your car.what heats = your=20 house.Yes oil .guess where it comes from.
 The sword of islam wants us = destroyed,Its war=20 ,whose side are you on ?
 I put the anti war brigade in the = same boat=20 as nazi symphathisers.
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3C33A.EAA42010-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 04:40:10 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Pat Tofield) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:40:10 -0800 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c3c38e$b58a06c0$790aa8c0@PATRICK> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C3C34B.A766C6C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think the easy way out is to sit a few thousand miles away and spout out a few well rehearsed sound-offs. I live here, you don't. =20 And it's obvious that you didn't read anything I said... =20 Once again...... =20 "people ARE working hard, on all sides, to create change in this country that would result in Palestinians statehood and dignity, in the hopes that this would lead to security and an atmosphere of co-existence" =20 If you want proof of that then try reading the recently produced Geneva Accord that was drawn up by academics and leading figures from all sides in this conflict. =20 "People are working hard" Joe to get some momentum behind this document and the ideas therein =96 ideas that offers a tangible framework for a permanent status agreement between the sides. Of course the Sharon government have dismissed it out of hand.....but you already know my thoughts on Sharon. =20 "People are working hard" Joe to bring about the downfall of the Sharon government so that we can get back to something like the atmosphere we had for the brief time that Rabin was prime minister. =20 =20 =20 =20 Do I consider Israeli's better people?...no. Do I consider Palestinians lesser people?...no. Is the solution to "kill the occupation?" .....eh.....EH?=20 =20 Great solution.....little Bush like don't you think? =20 Pat =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of Jester Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:44 AM To: Gathering Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED =20 Pat, perhaps you would like to elaborate, rather than take the easy way out by requesting something not very likely to happen...such as living in Israel. ( Hey, but if someone wants to pay my flight and put me up for a while till I get myself settled, I would gladly be up for the experience.) =20 Maybe, say, by addressing the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip. =20 "Arabs have always been fiercely opposed to terrorism in all its forms," the Syrian official daily newspaper Al Baath said in a recent editorial. However, it said they also support "legitimate resistance against occupation."=20 =20 The US was a horrible racist country. Just ask the native Americans. Ask the freed slaves. America does have an ugly side, or at least did. But currently, we are not the country that is being compared, actively, with South African apartheid. When Israeli's forbid Palestinians from using hospitals, going to school, and imposing the fucked up curfews, then yes, people look at that as being fucking horrible. Last time I drove around, we had no occupied territory that consisted of numerous check points, and I can get medical care where I choose, so can you, so can Lee Roy the janitor, and Damian the Billionaire. =20 Even international law states that the Israeli government's actions are "immoral and illegal". The U.N. Security Council resolution 242, passed 35 years ago says that the Israeli occupation of the territories should end, and that a resolution of the right of return for Palestinian refugees should be established. Security Council resolution 194, was passed 19 years earlier, and says that all Palestinian refugees should be allowed the right of return and that those who decide not to return shall be financially compensated. Neither resolution has been acted on, and the struggle continues today, to an even more fucked up extent. The number of settlements has increased and the situations of the refugees has worsened. =20 So tell me, Pat, what am I missing? Are there really no check points? Are the Palestinians allowed the same exact same rights as Israeli's? Are there no curfews? Does Israel not really hold occupation of the West Bank and Gaza? Or, are the Palestinians just getting what they deserve? You know, cause they are a lesser people than Israeli's, right? =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 On 12/15/03 8:29 PM, "Pat Tofield" wrote: =20 >> Well, there is NO doubt that a lot..shit, most of our problems stem from >> this alliance with a horrible, racist, evil country. On that we will pretty >> much all agree on. We end our alliance with them, and kill the occupation, >> oppression, and I bet ya the Arab states will shit us a golden egg >=20 >=20 >=20 > People......with all due respect, may I suggest that you come and stay with me > here in Israel for a year or two, read a few history books, then walk around > and see what the fuck *REALLY* goes on here before you write such things about > this =8Cevil=B9 country. I do agree with some points made in these = posts but > others are simply not based in fact and are inflammatory and counter > productive.=20 >=20 > Some people around the world hold the view that the US is =B3a = horrible, racist, > evil country=B2....I have the sneaking suspicion that some of these people might > be Arabs too, so I wouldn=B9t stick around for some =B3golden egg=B2. >=20 > Bye the way, I am not Jewish or an Israeli but I do live here and have done > for some 13 years.....yes I arrived here at the start of the first gulf war > and spent my first night in a gas mask watching scud missiles fall a couple of > miles away from where I was staying =AD initiation by fire (or > stupidity!!)....!!. >=20 > Anyway, there are many people here who would love to see the back of Sharon as > many people in the US would love to see the back of Bush. I for one was > stunned that Sharon he was elected to be prime minister at all. A lot of > people chose not to remember that his little jaunt up the Dome of the Rock ( > very holy Arab place of worship in East Jerusalem ) caused rioting that lead > to the ongoing intafada...). However, people ARE working hard, on all sides, > to create change in this country that would result in Palestinians statehood > and dignity, in the hopes that this would lead to security and an atmosphere > of co-existence =AD which, bye the way, is exactly what some areas of the > country experience today....throwbacks to how it used to be many years ago. >=20 > Anyway....I could go on, but I won=B9t as I spend half my life going = on to > people who actually don=B9t give a shit,.......... just like to sound like they > do. >=20 > Pat >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf > Of Jester > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 6:16 AM > To: Gathering > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED >=20 > On 12/15/03 7:55 AM, "xps1@quick.cz" wrote: >=20 >> Yes, my a bit broken ability to express myself in english leads to somewhat >> messy argumentation. >> However, there is several links. >> a) Israel is genderme of USA in the region and Iraq under Sadam after first >> Gulf war was a threat to Israel (e.g. in first gulf war Iraq sent couple of >> missile to Israel). >=20 > Kuwait had more to do with that war, and their accused "over production" of > oil....Nothing had to do with Israel except us wanting to give them some > protection. >=20 >=20 >> b) Sadam failed to follow its original masters since that time and in that >> respect it Iraq was seen as a resisting nation to USA (and Israel reginally) >> and its very existence was certain boost to Palestinian resistance. >=20 > All nations other than Israel are pretty much resisting nations to the US. > The Palestinian resistance is boosted by occupation of Israel. Do you really > think they need more reason to be boosted than the way they are treated like > fucking animals...like dogs on the floor. If you are allowed to live, they > impose curfews and shit >=20 >> c) latest war against Iraq also allowed Israel to go on offensive in Occupied >> Territories and intensify campaign of murders of Palestinian resistance >> leaders as well as home destruction, cutting off water supply to Palestinian >> towns and villages, etc. >=20 > No it didn?t. No, you are completely off there. We asked Israel NOT to go on > any offensive. Israel told us to go fuck ourselves. They didn?t care if our > troops were there or not, and cared not if our troops got hit by their > attack. >>=20 >> Much stronger Israel and US troops stationed in Iraq are the best guarantors >> of oil control by US corp. not only in Iraq, but also in Saudi Arabia whose >> (btw possibly even worse and really backward) pro-US regime is shaking >> (unstable) and US-unfriendly forces can come to power in palace coup, for >> example. >=20 > True, very true. But, that has nothing to do with Israel being the reason > for the war, or otherwise having anything to do with it. When Israel gets > bombed, it is Palestinian related, and due to the horrible conditions the > Israelis have imposed on them. I think if we were put in that situation, we > would have a few suicide bombers too. >>=20 >> Possibly this is still not satisfactory reply, but maybe I misunderstood what >> was meant originally. >=20 > Well, there is NO doubt that a lot..shit, most of our problems stem from > this alliance with a horrible, racist, evil country. On that we will pretty > much all agree on. We end our alliance with them, and kill the occupation, > oppression, and I bet ya the Arab states will shit us a golden egg...of > course it will be black gold. Thing is, I don?t think that will ever be > allowed to happen. >>=20 >> Pavel >=20 >=20 >=20 > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! > OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 >=20 > THE WEBMASTER,=20 > JESTER=20 > WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM > WWW.PARALLAX1.COM >=20 > There is no place like 127.0.0.1 >=20 > "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or > Gates?" >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >=20 =20 =20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 =20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 =20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 =20 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" =20 _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C3C34B.A766C6C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think the easy way out is to sit a few thousand miles away and spout out = a few well rehearsed sound-offs. I live here, you = don't.

 

And it's obvious that you didn't read anything I = said...

=A0

Once = again......

 

"people ARE working hard, on all sides, to create = change in this country that would result in Palestinians statehood and dignity, in = the hopes that this would lead to security and an atmosphere of = co-existence"

 

If you want proof of that then try reading the recently produced Gen= eva Accord that was drawn up by academics and leading figures from all = sides in this conflict.

 

"People are working hard" Joe = to get some momentum behind this document and the ideas therein =96 ideas that = offers a tangible framework for a permanent status agreement between the sides. Of course = the Sharon government have dismissed it out of = hand.....but you already know my thoughts on = Sharon.

 

"People are working hard" Joe = to bring about the downfall of the Sharon government so that we can get back to something like the atmosphere we had for the brief time that Rabin was = prime minister.

 

 

 

 

Do I consider Israeli's better people?...no. Do = I consider Palestinians lesser people?...no. Is = the solution to "kill the occupation?" .....eh.....EH? =

 

Great solution.....little Bush like don't you = think?

 

Pat

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On = Behalf Of Jester
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:44 AM
To: Gathering
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM = CAPTURED

 

Pat, perhaps you would like to elaborate, rather than take the easy way = out

by requesting something not very likely to happen...such as living = in

Israel. ( Hey, but if someone wants to pay my flight and put me up for = a

while till I get myself settled, I would gladly be up for the = experience.)

 

Maybe, say, by addressing the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and = Gaza

Strip.

 

"Arabs have always been fiercely opposed to terrorism in all its forms," = the

Syrian official daily newspaper Al Baath said in a recent = editorial.

However, it said they also support "legitimate resistance = against

occupation."

 

The US was a horrible racist country. Just ask the native Americans. Ask = the

freed slaves. America does have an ugly side, or at least did. = But

currently, we are not the country that is being compared, actively, = with

South African apartheid. When Israeli's forbid Palestinians from = using

hospitals, going to school, and imposing the fucked up curfews, then = yes,

people look at that as being fucking horrible. Last time I drove around, = we

had no occupied territory that consisted of numerous check points, and I = can

get medical care where I choose, so can you, so can Lee Roy the janitor, = and

Damian the Billionaire.

 

Even international law states that the Israeli government's actions = are

"immoral and illegal". The U.N. Security Council resolution 242, passed = 35

years ago says that the Israeli occupation of the territories should = end,

and that a resolution of the right of return for Palestinian refugees = should

be established. Security Council resolution 194, was passed 19 = years

earlier, and says that all Palestinian refugees should be allowed the = right

of return and that those who decide not to return shall be = financially

compensated. Neither resolution has been acted on, and the = struggle

continues today, to an even more fucked up extent. The number of = settlements

has increased and the situations of the refugees has = worsened.

 

So tell me, Pat, what am I missing? Are there really no check points? = Are

the Palestinians allowed the same exact same rights as Israeli's? Are = there

no curfews? Does Israel not really hold occupation of the West Bank = and

Gaza? Or, are the Palestinians just getting what they deserve? You = know,

cause they are a lesser people than Israeli's, = right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 12/15/03 8:29 PM, "Pat Tofield" <pat@latenitelabs.com> = wrote:

 

>> Well, there is NO doubt that a lot..shit, most of our problems stem = from

>> this alliance with a horrible, racist, evil country. On that we will = pretty

>> much all agree on. We end our alliance with them, and kill the = occupation,

>> oppression, and I bet ya the Arab states will shit us a golden = egg

>

>

>

> People......with all due respect, may I suggest that you come and stay = with me

> here in Israel for a year or two, read a few history books, then walk = around

> and see what the fuck *REALLY* goes on here before you write such things = about

> this =8Cevil=B9 country. I do agree with some points made in these posts = but

> others are simply not based in fact and are inflammatory and = counter

> productive.

>

> Some people around the world hold the view that the US is =B3a horrible, = racist,

> evil country=B2....I have the sneaking suspicion that some of these = people might

> be Arabs too, so I wouldn=B9t stick around for some =B3golden = egg=B2.

>

> Bye the way, I am not Jewish or an Israeli but I do live here and have = done

> for some 13 years.....yes I arrived here at the start of the first gulf = war

> and spent my first night in a gas mask watching scud missiles fall a = couple of

> miles away from where I was staying =AD initiation by fire = (or

> stupidity!!)....!!.

>

> Anyway, there are many people here who would love to see the back of = Sharon as

> many people in the US would love to see the back of Bush. I for one = was

> stunned that Sharon he was elected to be prime minister at all. A lot = of

> people chose not to remember that his little jaunt up the Dome of the = Rock (

> very holy Arab place of worship in East Jerusalem ) caused rioting that = lead

> to the ongoing intafada...). However, people ARE working hard, on all = sides,

> to create change in this country that would result in Palestinians = statehood

> and dignity, in the hopes that this would lead to security and an = atmosphere

> of co-existence =AD which, bye the way, is exactly what some areas of = the

> country experience today....throwbacks to how it used to be many years = ago.

>

> Anyway....I could go on, but I won=B9t as I spend half my life going on = to

> people who actually don=B9t give a shit,.......... just like to sound = like they

> do.

>

> Pat

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On = Behalf

> Of Jester

> Sent: Monday, December=A0 15, = 2003 6:16 AM

> To: Gathering

> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED

>

> On 12/15/03 7:55 AM, "xps1@quick.cz" <xps1@quick.cz> = wrote:

>

>> Yes, my a bit broken ability to express myself in english leads to = somewhat

>> messy argumentation.

>> However, there is several links.

>> a) Israel is genderme of USA in the region and Iraq under Sadam after = first

>> Gulf war was a threat to Israel (e.g. in first gulf war Iraq sent couple = of

>> missile to Israel).

>

> Kuwait had more to do with that war, and their accused "over production" of

> oil....Nothing had to do with Israel except us wanting to give them = some

> protection.

>

>

>> b) Sadam failed to follow its original masters since that time and in = that

>> respect it Iraq was seen as a resisting nation to USA (and Israel = reginally)

>> and its very existence was certain boost to Palestinian = resistance.

>

> All nations other than Israel are pretty much resisting nations to the = US.

> The Palestinian resistance is boosted by occupation of Israel. Do you = really

> think they need more reason to be boosted than the way they are treated = like

> fucking animals...like dogs on the floor. If you are allowed to live, = they

> impose curfews and shit

>

>> c) latest war against Iraq also allowed Israel to go on offensive in = Occupied

>> Territories and intensify campaign of murders of Palestinian = resistance

>> leaders as well as home destruction, cutting off water supply to = Palestinian

>> towns and villages, etc.

>

> No it didn?t. No, you are completely off there. We asked Israel NOT to = go on

> any offensive. Israel told us to go fuck ourselves. They didn?t care if = our

> troops were there or not, and cared not if our troops got hit by = their

> attack.

>>

>> Much stronger Israel and US troops stationed in Iraq are the best = guarantors

>> of oil control by US corp. not only in Iraq, but also in Saudi Arabia = whose

>> (btw possibly even worse and really backward) pro-US regime is = shaking

>> (unstable) and US-unfriendly forces can come to power in palace coup, = for

>> example.

>

> True, very true. But, that has nothing to do with Israel being the = reason

> for the war, or otherwise having anything to do with it. When Israel = gets

> bombed, it is Palestinian related, and due to the horrible conditions = the

> Israelis have imposed on them. I think if we were put in that situation, = we

> would have a few suicide bombers too.

>>

>> Possibly this is still not satisfactory reply, but maybe I misunderstood = what

>> was meant originally.

>

> Well, there is NO doubt that a lot..shit, most of our problems stem = from

> this alliance with a horrible, racist, evil country. On that we will = pretty

> much all agree on. We end our alliance with them, and kill the = occupation,

> oppression, and I bet ya the Arab states will shit us a golden = egg...of

> course it will be black gold. Thing is, I don?t think that will ever = be

> allowed to happen.

>>

>> Pavel

>

>

>

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>

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>

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>

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------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C3C34B.A766C6C0-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 18:40:30 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:40:30 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <001701c3c33b$07cce0a0$79cdff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3C33A.EAA42010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Israel is our allie,When the next big war comes,the west needs someone = in the middle east,Israel.One day Israels nuclear bombs might be = protecting us, remember in 1981 when israel bombed Iraqs nuclear = facility,the whole world condemed israel.maybe we should thank them now. how can anybody be opposed against the Iraq war,When saddams thugs = brutalised people like us.I hear you say the war was about = oil.question;What do you put in your car.what heats your house.Yes oil = .guess where it comes from. The sword of islam wants us destroyed,Its war ,whose side are you on ? I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi symphathisers. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3C33A.EAA42010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Israel is our allie,When the next big = war comes,the=20 west needs someone in the middle east,Israel.One day Israels nuclear = bombs might=20 be protecting us, remember in 1981 when israel bombed Iraqs nuclear = facility,the=20 whole world condemed israel.maybe we should thank them now.
     how can = anybody be opposed=20 against the Iraq war,When saddams thugs brutalised people like us.I hear = you say=20 the war was about oil.question;What do you put in your car.what heats = your=20 house.Yes oil .guess where it comes from.
 The sword of islam wants us = destroyed,Its war=20 ,whose side are you on ?
 I put the anti war brigade in the = same boat=20 as nazi symphathisers.
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3C33A.EAA42010-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 19:24:32 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:24:32 EST Subject: [kj] Isreal & Iraq--what's the connection? Message-ID: <22.40d00ad4.2d0f6470@aol.com> --part1_22.40d00ad4.2d0f6470_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think Israel and Iraq are related in the sense that the US needs to prop up Israel as a military buffer in the region, in order to have any chance of holding on to control of oil. That's why so many billions are being spent by the US on both Iraq and Israel. Pavel explained it pretty well. --part1_22.40d00ad4.2d0f6470_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think Israel and Iraq are related= in the sense that the US needs to prop up Israel as a military buffer in th= e region, in order to have any chance of holding on to control of oil. That'= s why so many billions are being spent by the US on both Iraq and Israel. Pa= vel explained it pretty well. --part1_22.40d00ad4.2d0f6470_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 19:31:16 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:31:16 EST Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED Message-ID: <181.249eeff8.2d0f6604@aol.com> From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 19:33:28 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:33:28 EST Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED Message-ID: <133.292cd967.2d0f6688@aol.com> --part1_133.292cd967.2d0f6688_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I seriously doubt that the pressure by US Jews is enough to justify the huge amount of military aid. Although the pro-Israel lobby is strong, and there are some wealthy pro-Israel supporters (I guess Speilberg is one), the main reason for the aid to Israel is that the US needs the military presence in that important oil-rich reason. Even the US gov. admits this. --part1_133.292cd967.2d0f6688_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I seriously doubt that the pressure= by US Jews is enough to justify the huge amount of military aid. Although t= he pro-Israel lobby is strong, and there are some wealthy pro-Israel support= ers (I guess Speilberg is one), the main reason for the aid to Israel is tha= t the US needs the military presence in that important oil-rich reason. Even= the US gov. admits this. --part1_133.292cd967.2d0f6688_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 19:37:46 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (parasikon) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:37:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] Killing Joke:Portland, Oregon 2003 Message-ID: <20031215193746.5992.qmail@web20412.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1616591056-1071517066=:5698 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anybody else been giving this show a listen?I've downloaded most of the tracks and i've enjoyed hearing it.I'm impressed with how talkative Jaz seems to be inbetween songs.What's considered to be some of the best shows/recordings out there from this tour? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now --0-1616591056-1071517066=:5698 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Anybody else been giving this show a listen?I've downloaded most of the tracks and i've enjoyed hearing it.I'm impressed with how talkative Jaz seems to be inbetween songs.What's considered to be some of the best shows/recordings out there from this tour?

Do you Yahoo!?
Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now --0-1616591056-1071517066=:5698-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 19:58:04 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jim=20Harper?=) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:58:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <001701c3c33b$07cce0a0$79cdff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: <20031215195804.27986.qmail@web25009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --0-1613951689-1071518284=:26571 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "peter.west410" wrote: The sword of islam wants us destroyed,Its war ,whose side are you on ? It must be nice to live in such a simple world. Come and visit us, we live in a very complex one. --------------------------------- BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save Ł80 when you order online today. Hurry! Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be. --0-1613951689-1071518284=:26571 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
"peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com> wrote: The sword of islam wants us destroyed,Its war ,whose side are you on ?
 
It must be nice to live in such a simple world. Come and visit us, we live in a very complex one.
 
 
 
 


BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save Ł80 when you order online today. Hurry! Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be. --0-1613951689-1071518284=:26571-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 20:03:20 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:03:20 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED In-Reply-To: <000201c3c38e$b58a06c0$790aa8c0@PATRICK> Message-ID: This has been going on much longer than Sharon has been in office. Easy scapegoat, yet not accurate by any stretch. Ariel Sharon took office in Feb 2001, correct? Occupation began in, what, 1967? Sharon was nothing more tha= n a training officer in the military? Hardly powerful enough at that time to cause the situation. People do odd things when pushed against the wall. The Palestinians are jus= t that...face pressed hard against a brick wall, with a gun facing from the other direction....for more than three decades before Ariel Sharon. Sure, people are working hard...they have been doing so for how many years? Yet, we still keep funding the charade. http://hnn.us/articles/987.html 36 years is long enough, don't you think? Yet, we still fund it, and turn a blind eye. In actuality, I never said people weren't trying, I said a lot of the issue= s would be resolved/alleviated if we stopped funding the things that ARE goin= g on. I said that it was a hateful nation by the way they treat the Palestinians. Pat, there is no other way to look at it. Israel treats the Palestinians like animals, sub human. This has gone on for over three decades. As long as we keep the covers warm for Israel, the Arab states wil= l have the same view of America. The only way to cause change, is to first examine why groups are so desperate that they resort to the sort of things that are now going on. Then make the changes by what is ethical, and just, not economic. The US is NOT doing that, and has not done that. The cycle continues. On 12/15/03 10:40 PM, "Pat Tofield" wrote: > I think the easy way out is to sit a few thousand miles away and spout ou= t a > few well rehearsed sound-offs. I live here, you don't. >=20 > And it's obvious that you didn't read anything I said... > =C2=A0 > Once again...... >=20 > "people ARE working hard, on all sides, to create change in this country = that > would result in Palestinians statehood and dignity, in the hopes that thi= s > would lead to security and an atmosphere of co-existence" >=20 > If you want proof of that then try reading the recently produced Geneva A= ccord > that was = drawn > up by academics and leading figures from all sides in this conflict. >=20 > "People are working hard" Joe to get some momentum behind this document a= nd > the ideas therein =E2=80=93 ideas that offers a tangible framework for a perman= ent > status agreement between the sides. Of course the Sharon government have > dismissed it out of hand.....but you already know my thoughts on Sharon. >=20 > "People are working hard" Joe to bring about the downfall of the Sharon > government so that we can get back to something like the atmosphere we ha= d for > the brief time that Rabin was prime minister. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Do I consider Israeli's better people?...no. Do I consider Palestinians l= esser > people?...no. Is the solution to "kill the occupation?" .....eh.....EH? >=20 > Great solution.....little Bush like don't you think? >=20 > Pat >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On B= ehalf > Of Jester > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:44 AM > To: Gathering > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED >=20 > Pat, perhaps you would like to elaborate, rather than take the easy way o= ut > by requesting something not very likely to happen...such as living in > Israel. ( Hey, but if someone wants to pay my flight and put me up for a > while till I get myself settled, I would gladly be up for the experience.= ) >=20 > Maybe, say, by addressing the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaz= a > Strip. >=20 > "Arabs have always been fiercely opposed to terrorism in all its forms," = the > Syrian official daily newspaper Al Baath said in a recent editorial. > However, it said they also support "legitimate resistance against > occupation."=20 >=20 > The US was a horrible racist country. Just ask the native Americans. Ask = the > freed slaves. America does have an ugly side, or at least did. But > currently, we are not the country that is being compared, actively, with > South African apartheid. When Israeli's forbid Palestinians from using > hospitals, going to school, and imposing the fucked up curfews, then yes, > people look at that as being fucking horrible. Last time I drove around, = we > had no occupied territory that consisted of numerous check points, and I = can > get medical care where I choose, so can you, so can Lee Roy the janitor, = and > Damian the Billionaire. >=20 > Even international law states that the Israeli government's actions are > "immoral and illegal". The U.N. Security Council resolution 242, passed 3= 5 > years ago says that the Israeli occupation of the territories should end, > and that a resolution of the right of return for Palestinian refugees sho= uld > be established. Security Council resolution 194, was passed 19 years > earlier, and says that all Palestinian refugees should be allowed the rig= ht > of return and that those who decide not to return shall be financially > compensated. Neither resolution has been acted on, and the struggle > continues today, to an even more fucked up extent. The number of settleme= nts > has increased and the situations of the refugees has worsened. >=20 > So tell me, Pat, what am I missing? Are there really no check points? Are > the Palestinians allowed the same exact same rights as Israeli's? Are the= re > no curfews? Does Israel not really hold occupation of the West Bank and > Gaza? Or, are the Palestinians just getting what they deserve? You know, > cause they are a lesser people than Israeli's, right? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 12/15/03 8:29 PM, "Pat Tofield" wrote: >=20 >>> Well, there is NO doubt that a lot..shit, most of our problems stem fro= m >>> this alliance with a horrible, racist, evil country. On that we will pr= etty >>> much all agree on. We end our alliance with them, and kill the occupati= on, >>> oppression, and I bet ya the Arab states will shit us a golden egg >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> People......with all due respect, may I suggest that you come and stay w= ith >> me >> here in Israel for a year or two, read a few history books, then walk ar= ound >> and see what the fuck *REALLY* goes on here before you write such things >> about >> this =C5=92evil=C2=B9 country. I do agree with some points made in these posts b= ut >> others are simply not based in fact and are inflammatory and counter >> productive.=20 >>=20 >> Some people around the world hold the view that the US is =C2=B3a horrible, >> racist, >> evil country=C2=B2....I have the sneaking suspicion that some of these peopl= e >> might >> be Arabs too, so I wouldn=C2=B9t stick around for some =C2=B3golden egg=C2=B2. >>=20 >> Bye the way, I am not Jewish or an Israeli but I do live here and have d= one >> for some 13 years.....yes I arrived here at the start of the first gulf = war >> and spent my first night in a gas mask watching scud missiles fall a cou= ple >> of >> miles away from where I was staying =C3=BA initiation by fire (or >> stupidity!!)....!!. >>=20 >> Anyway, there are many people here who would love to see the back of Sha= ron >> as >> many people in the US would love to see the back of Bush. I for one was >> stunned that Sharon he was elected to be prime minister at all. A lot of >> people chose not to remember that his little jaunt up the Dome of the Ro= ck ( >> very holy Arab place of worship in East Jerusalem ) caused rioting that = lead >> to the ongoing intafada...). However, people ARE working hard, on all si= des, >> to create change in this country that would result in Palestinians state= hood >> and dignity, in the hopes that this would lead to security and an atmosp= here >> of co-existence =C3=BA which, bye the way, is exactly what some areas of the >> country experience today....throwbacks to how it used to be many years a= go. >>=20 >> Anyway....I could go on, but I won=C2=B9t as I spend half my life going on t= o >> people who actually don=C2=B9t give a shit,.......... just like to sound lik= e >> they >> do. >>=20 >> Pat >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On >> Behalf >> Of Jester >> Sent: Monday, December=C2=A0 15, 2003 6:16 AM >> To: Gathering >> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED >>=20 >> On 12/15/03 7:55 AM, "xps1@quick.cz" wrote: >>=20 >>> Yes, my a bit broken ability to express myself in english leads to some= what >>> messy argumentation. >>> However, there is several links. >>> a) Israel is genderme of USA in the region and Iraq under Sadam after f= irst >>> Gulf war was a threat to Israel (e.g. in first gulf war Iraq sent coupl= e of >>> missile to Israel). >>=20 >> Kuwait had more to do with that war, and their accused "over production"= of >> oil....Nothing had to do with Israel except us wanting to give them some >> protection. >>=20 >>=20 >>> b) Sadam failed to follow its original masters since that time and in t= hat >>> respect it Iraq was seen as a resisting nation to USA (and Israel regin= ally) >>> and its very existence was certain boost to Palestinian resistance. >>=20 >> All nations other than Israel are pretty much resisting nations to the U= S. >> The Palestinian resistance is boosted by occupation of Israel. Do you re= ally >> think they need more reason to be boosted than the way they are treated = like >> fucking animals...like dogs on the floor. If you are allowed to live, th= ey >> impose curfews and shit >>=20 >>> c) latest war against Iraq also allowed Israel to go on offensive in >>> Occupied >>> Territories and intensify campaign of murders of Palestinian resistance >>> leaders as well as home destruction, cutting off water supply to Palest= inian >>> towns and villages, etc. >>=20 >> No it didn?t. No, you are completely off there. We asked Israel NOT to g= o on >> any offensive. Israel told us to go fuck ourselves. They didn?t care if = our >> troops were there or not, and cared not if our troops got hit by their >> attack. >>>=20 >>> Much stronger Israel and US troops stationed in Iraq are the best guara= ntors >>> of oil control by US corp. not only in Iraq, but also in Saudi Arabia w= hose >>> (btw possibly even worse and really backward) pro-US regime is shaking >>> (unstable) and US-unfriendly forces can come to power in palace coup, f= or >>> example. >>=20 >> True, very true. But, that has nothing to do with Israel being the reaso= n >> for the war, or otherwise having anything to do with it. When Israel get= s >> bombed, it is Palestinian related, and due to the horrible conditions th= e >> Israelis have imposed on them. I think if we were put in that situation,= we >> would have a few suicide bombers too. >>>=20 >>> Possibly this is still not satisfactory reply, but maybe I misunderstoo= d >>> what >>> was meant originally. >>=20 >> Well, there is NO doubt that a lot..shit, most of our problems stem from >> this alliance with a horrible, racist, evil country. On that we will pre= tty >> much all agree on. We end our alliance with them, and kill the occupatio= n, >> oppression, and I bet ya the Arab states will shit us a golden egg...of >> course it will be black gold. Thing is, I don?t think that will ever be >> allowed to happen. >>>=20 >>> Pavel >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! >> OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 >>=20 >> THE WEBMASTER,=20 >> JESTER=20 >> WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM >> WWW.PARALLAX1.COM >>=20 >> There is no place like 127.0.0.1 >>=20 >> "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or >> Gates?" >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Gathering mailing list >> Gathering@misera.net >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >>=20 >=20 >=20 > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! > OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 >=20 > THE WEBMASTER,=20 > JESTER=20 > WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM > WWW.PARALLAX1.COM >=20 > There is no place like 127.0.0.1 >=20 > "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or > Gates?" >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >=20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 20:07:07 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:07:07 -0600 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <20031215195804.27986.qmail@web25009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "peter.west410" wrote: > > The sword of islam wants us destroyed,Its war ,whose side are you on ? One time, I dropped a shit load of acid, and thought the same thing... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 20:17:25 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Tim Bucknall) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:17:25 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: <20031215195804.27986.qmail@web25009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002701c3c348$76c24290$336a8751@mycomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C3C348.74748200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ;-) brilliant Jim! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jim Harper=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth "peter.west410" wrote: The sword of islam = wants us destroyed,Its war ,whose side are you on ? It must be nice to live in such a simple world. Come and visit us, we = live in a very complex one. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save =A380 when you order online today. Hurry! = Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C3C348.74748200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
;-)
brilliant Jim!
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jim=20 Harper
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 = 7:58=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence = worth

"peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com= >=20 wrote: The sword of islam wants us = destroyed,Its=20 war ,whose side are you on ?
 
It must be nice to live in such a simple world. Come and visit = us, we=20 live in a very complex one.
 
 
 
 


BT=20 Yahoo! Broadband - Save =A380 when you order online today. = Hurry! Offer=20 ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C3C348.74748200-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 20:46:11 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:46:11 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED In-Reply-To: <000201c3c38e$b58a06c0$790aa8c0@PATRICK> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154344373_9213978 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable On 12/15/03 10:40 PM, "Pat Tofield" wrote: > I think the easy way out is to sit a few thousand miles away and spout ou= t a > few well rehearsed sound-offs. I live here, you don't. > =20 Actually, I disagree with you here too. Strongly. The easy way out is just to say, I live here, you don=B9t. Come live here and see...then provide really, nothing else as a basis for any viewpoint other than to metaphorically shrug your shoulders and say, well, people are trying. You provided no comment on the questions I posed to you about how the Palestinian's are treated by the Israeli's, and thus, have given no other reason for me to change or alter my stance on the issue. 1. There is no argument that occupation has been on going, called everythin= g from Naziesq to another version of South African apartheid, for thirty six years. 2. No question that Sharon took office and control more than three decades after occupation 3. Curfews, where offenders against are often punished by death, no school, malnutrition of the Palestinian children, denial of medical treatment, and the list goes on and on. 4. Check points in the occupied territory So seriously, where am I suppose to change my stance on the US should pull away from a country that acts like this, for over thirty years? You live there, I don=B9t. So, don=B9t short change me. Explain why. Address the actual issues, not the singular aspect of a very few people that are =B3trying=B2. Hell, the security council has =B3tried=B2 to change the situation...for thirty five years. So, where is my easy way out, if I see that this is going on, and comment on it? If I am trying to get these answers from you, who actually lives there, and claims to know what is really going on, and you don=B9t do more than say, people are trying, and nothing beyond that but a fe= w sarcastic remarks, then you are taking the easy way out. KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154344373_9213978 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED On 12/15/03 10:40 PM, &= quot;Pat Tofield" <pat@latenitelabs.com> wrote:

I think the easy way out is to sit a few thousand miles away= and spout out a few well rehearsed sound-offs. I live here, you don't.
 
Actually, I disagree with you here too. Strongly. The easy way out = is just to say, I live here, you don’t. Come live here and see...then = provide really, nothing else as a basis for any viewpoint other than to meta= phorically shrug your shoulders and say, well, people are trying. You provid= ed no comment on the questions I posed to you about how the Palestinian's ar= e treated by the Israeli's, and thus, have given no other reason for me to c= hange or alter my stance on the issue.

1. There is no argument that occupation has been on going, called everythin= g from Naziesq to another version of South African apartheid, for thirty six= years.

2. No question that Sharon took office and control more than three decades = after occupation

3. Curfews, where offenders against are often punished by death, no school,= malnutrition of the Palestinian children, denial of medical treatment, and = the list goes on and on.

4. Check points in the occupied territory

So seriously, where am I suppose to change my stance on the US should pull = away from a country that acts like this, for over thirty years? You live the= re, I don’t. So, don’t short change me. Explain why. Address the= actual issues, not the singular aspect of a very few people that are “= ;trying”. Hell, the security council has “tried” to change= the situation...for thirty five years. So, where is my easy way out, if I s= ee that this is going on, and comment on it? If I am trying to get these ans= wers from you, who actually lives there, and claims to know what is really g= oing on, and you don’t do more than say, people are trying, and nothin= g beyond that but a few sarcastic remarks, then you are taking the easy way = out.


 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place = like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3154344373_9213978-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 21:10:29 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (sade1) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:10:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031215211029.27413.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> --- Alexi Hamilton wrote: For God's sake, George Stafanopoulis (or however you spell it) reminds of Sesame street's "Snuffleuphagus" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 21:16:30 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:16:30 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: <20031215195804.27986.qmail@web25009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901c3c350$bef9d570$a3086851@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C3C350.B55173C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jim Harper=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth "peter.west410" wrote: The sword of islam = wants us destroyed,Its war ,whose side are you on ? It must be nice to live in such a simple world. Come and visit us, we = live in a very complex one. I expected a more intelligent reply than that,ah well at least im not = the only dim person to post on here -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save =A380 when you order online today. Hurry! = Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C3C350.B55173C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jim=20 Harper
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 = 7:58=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence = worth

"peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com= >=20 wrote: The sword of islam wants us = destroyed,Its=20 war ,whose side are you on ?
 
It must be nice to live in such a simple world. Come and visit = us, we=20 live in a very complex one.
 
I expected a more intelligent reply = than that,ah=20 well at least im not the only dim person to post on = here
 
 


BT=20 Yahoo! Broadband - Save =A380 when you order online today. = Hurry! Offer=20 ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C3C350.B55173C0-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 21:22:22 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:22:22 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: <20031215195804.27986.qmail@web25009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002d01c3c351$8dea84b0$a3086851@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3C351.878232D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jim Harper=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth "peter.west410" wrote: The sword of islam = wants us destroyed,Its war ,whose side are you on ? It must be nice to live in such a simple world. Come and visit us, we = live in a very complex one. No thank you, Im quite happy where i am ,thanks all the same -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save =A380 when you order online today. Hurry! = Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3C351.878232D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jim=20 Harper
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 = 7:58=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence = worth

"peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com= >=20 wrote: The sword of islam wants us = destroyed,Its=20 war ,whose side are you on ?
 
It must be nice to live in such a simple world. Come and visit = us, we=20 live in a very complex one.
 
No thank you, Im quite happy where i = am ,thanks=20 all the same
 
 


BT=20 Yahoo! Broadband - Save =A380 when you order online today. = Hurry! Offer=20 ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3C351.878232D0-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 21:36:56 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (sade1) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:36:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED In-Reply-To: <000001c3c37c$83685640$790aa8c0@PATRICK> Message-ID: <20031215213656.72606.qmail@web11510.mail.yahoo.com> A lot of people chose not to remember that his little > jaunt up the > Dome of the Rock ( very holy Arab place of worship in East > Jerusalem ) > caused rioting that lead to the ongoing intafada... I think he (Sharon) was also present in Beirut and turned a blind eye when the Chriitian militias entered and massacred (ab. 1.000) at the Palestinian camps just south of Beirut when he was in charge of the IDF during the Lebanese war of '82. Methinkx he was later indicted at The Hague. S __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 22:04:36 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:04:36 EST Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <1ca.160f9aad.2d0f89f4@aol.com> --part1_1ca.160f9aad.2d0f89f4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 15/12/03 10:43:22 Pacific Standard Time, peter.west410@ntlworld.com writes: > I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi symphathisers. Mate you are so wrong, in England anti-war against iraq etc tend to be Socialist workers party and extreme left wing affiliates. The jews will never find favours amongst extremes whether it be left or right, just the general money making middle areas. --part1_1ca.160f9aad.2d0f89f4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 15/12/03 10:43:2= 2 Pacific Standard Time, peter.west410@ntlworld.com writes:

I put the anti war brigade in t= he same boat as nazi symphathisers.


   Mate you are so wrong, in England anti-war against iraq etc ten= d to be Socialist workers party and extreme left wing affiliates. The jews w= ill never find favours amongst extremes whether it be left or right, just th= e general money making middle areas. --part1_1ca.160f9aad.2d0f89f4_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 22:08:36 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:08:36 EST Subject: [kj] OT: SADDAM CAPTURED Message-ID: --part1_c4.158934e.2d0f8ae4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nice to see you are still alive mr. Moss...hows the ankle? Great pic of you at the Astoria by the way, must send at some point. Jel --part1_c4.158934e.2d0f8ae4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Nice to see you are still alive mr. Moss...hows the ankle?
  Great pic of you at the Astoria by the way, must send at some point.<= BR>
   Jel --part1_c4.158934e.2d0f8ae4_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 23:21:20 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:21:20 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: <1ca.160f9aad.2d0f89f4@aol.com> Message-ID: <001101c3c362$386ceda0$a66cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C3C362.370BFE10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jelbod@aol.com=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth In a message dated 15/12/03 10:43:22 Pacific Standard Time, = peter.west410@ntlworld.com writes: I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi symphathisers. Mate you are so wrong, in England anti-war against iraq etc tend to = be Socialist workers party and extreme left wing affiliates. The jews = will never find favours amongst extremes whether it be left or right, = just the general money making middle areas.=20 the nazi sympathisers sympathised with adolf,and the anti war brigade = sympathise with saddam.saddam and adolf have roughly the same ideas ,so = quite simply i put 2+2 together.Both groups are against freedom and = support dictators. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C3C362.370BFE10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jelbod@aol.com
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 = 10:04=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence = worth

In a message dated 15/12/03 = 10:43:22 Pacific=20 Standard Time, peter.west410@ntlworld.com= =20 writes:

I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi=20 symphathisers.


   Mate you are so wrong, in England = anti-war=20 against iraq etc tend to be Socialist workers party and extreme left = wing=20 affiliates. The jews will never find favours amongst extremes whether it be left or right, just the general = money=20 making middle areas.
 
the nazi sympathisers sympathised with adolf,and = the anti=20 war brigade sympathise with saddam.saddam and adolf have roughly the = same=20 ideas ,so quite simply i = put 2+2=20 together.Both groups are against freedom and support=20 dictators.
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C3C362.370BFE10-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 23:27:02 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:27:02 EST Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <70.36345115.2d0f9d46@aol.com> --part1_70.36345115.2d0f9d46_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 15/12/03 15:24:48 Pacific Standard Time, peter.west410@ntlworld.com writes: > so quite simply i put 2+2 together And make 5 Blinkers are no good for clear sight --part1_70.36345115.2d0f9d46_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 15/12/03 15:24:4= 8 Pacific Standard Time, peter.west410@ntlworld.com writes:

so quite simply i put 2+2 toget= her


  And make 5

  Blinkers are no good for clear sight --part1_70.36345115.2d0f9d46_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 23:34:35 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:34:35 -0500 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <001101c3c362$386ceda0$a66cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: <3FDDFEBB.20369.26A7B27@localhost> and so by supporting bush, wolfowitz, cheney(halliburton), rumsfeld, rove and blair on their missssssion, one would be supporting freedom and not dictators?! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jelbod@aol.com > To: gathering@misera.net > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:04 PM > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > In a message dated 15/12/03 10:43:22 Pacific Standard Time, peter.west410@ntlworld.com > writes: > > I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi symphathisers. > > > Mate you are so wrong, in England anti-war against iraq etc tend to be Socialist workers party > and extreme left wing affiliates. The jews will never find favours amongst extremes whether it be > left or right, just the general money making middle areas. > > the nazi sympathisers sympathised with adolf,and the anti war brigade sympathise with > saddam.saddam and adolf have roughly the same ideas ,so quite simply i put 2+2 together.Both > groups are against freedom and support dictators. From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 23:44:23 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (P) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:44:23 +0100 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <001101c3c362$386ceda0$a66cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C3C36D.BFC64700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ad) the nazi sympathisers sympathised with adolf,and the anti war brigade sympathise with saddam.saddam and adolf have roughly the same ideas ,so quite simply i put 2+2 together.Both groups are against freedom and support dictators. the dog has four legs and the cat has four legs and thus the dog is the cat... anti-war brigade sympathise with Sadam? who said that? CNN? -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of peter.west410 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:21 AM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth ----- Original Message ----- From: Jelbod@aol.com To: gathering@misera.net Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth In a message dated 15/12/03 10:43:22 Pacific Standard Time, peter.west410@ntlworld.com writes: I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi symphathisers. Mate you are so wrong, in England anti-war against iraq etc tend to be Socialist workers party and extreme left wing affiliates. The jews will never find favours amongst extremes whether it be left or right, just the general money making middle areas. the nazi sympathisers sympathised with adolf,and the anti war brigade sympathise with saddam.saddam and adolf have roughly the same ideas ,so quite simply i put 2+2 together.Both groups are against freedom and support dictators. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C3C36D.BFC64700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ad)=20 the nazi sympathisers sympathised with adolf,and the anti war = brigade=20 sympathise with saddam.saddam and adolf have roughly the same ideas=20 ,so quite simply i put 2+2 together.Both groups are against = freedom and=20 support dictators.
 
the dog has=20 four legs and the cat has four legs and thus the dog is the cat...=20
anti-war=20 brigade sympathise with Sadam? who said that?=20 CNN?
-----Original Message-----
From: = gathering-admin@misera.net=20 [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of=20 peter.west410
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:21=20 AM
To: gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] my = tuppence=20 worth

 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jelbod@aol.com=20
Sent: Monday, December 15, = 2003 10:04=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence = worth

In a message dated 15/12/03 = 10:43:22 Pacific=20 Standard Time, peter.west410@ntlworld.com= =20 writes:

I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi=20 symphathisers.


   Mate you are so wrong, in England = anti-war=20 against iraq etc tend to be Socialist workers party and extreme left = wing=20 affiliates. The jews will never find favours amongst extremes whether it be left or right, just the = general money=20 making middle areas.
 
the nazi sympathisers sympathised with adolf,and = the anti=20 war brigade sympathise with saddam.saddam and adolf have roughly the = same=20 ideas ,so quite simply i = put 2+2=20 together.Both groups are against freedom and support=20 = dictators.
------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C3C36D.BFC64700-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 23:34:35 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:34:35 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: "the Sword of Islam" Message-ID: <200312152334.hBFNYMgt007910@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154358075_108588_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable "The sword of islam wants us destroyed,Its war ,whose side are you on ?" Peter, I have to say, this is sort've a ridiculous statement, with all due respect. Reducing the entire faith of Islam to a simple cartoon is not going to solve the problem. Alex in NYC ---------- From: "peter.west410" wrote: The sword of islam want= s us destroyed,Its war ,whose side are you on ? It must be nice to live in such a simple world. Come and visit us, we live in a very complex one. BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save =A380 when you order online today. Hurry! Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be. --MS_Mac_OE_3154358075_108588_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT: "the Sword of Islam"
"The sword of islam wants us destroyed,Its war ,whose s= ide are you on ?"

Peter, I have to say, this is sort've a ridiculous statement, with all due = respect.  Reducing the entire faith of Islam to a simple cartoon is not= going to solve the problem.  

Alex in NYC



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From:


"peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com> wrote: The sword of islam wants us destroyed,Its war ,whose side are you on= ?
 
It must be nice to live in such a simple world. Come and visit us, we live = in a very complex one.
 
 
 
 




   BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save =A380 when= you order online today. Hurry! Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the i= nternet was meant to be.
--MS_Mac_OE_3154358075_108588_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 23:40:44 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:40:44 EST Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <127.36ecb228.2d0fa07c@aol.com> --part1_127.36ecb228.2d0fa07c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess you forgot that the US installed Hussein, supported him throughout the 80s, and kept him in power. It's ONLY about oil. You are sadly naive. --part1_127.36ecb228.2d0fa07c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess you forgot that the US inst= alled Hussein, supported him throughout the 80s, and kept him in power. It's= ONLY about oil. You are sadly naive. --part1_127.36ecb228.2d0fa07c_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 23:42:56 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:42:56 EST Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <11c.2964d3c5.2d0fa100@aol.com> --part1_11c.2964d3c5.2d0fa100_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess the media is successful in convincing some poor saps to believe their pro-war propoganda and hypocracy. Halliburton, Exxon-Mobile, etc. are laughing all the way to the bank (which they probably own, anyway). --part1_11c.2964d3c5.2d0fa100_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess the media is successful in=20= convincing some poor saps to believe their pro-war propoganda and hypocracy.= Halliburton, Exxon-Mobile, etc. are laughing all the way to the bank (which= they probably own, anyway). --part1_11c.2964d3c5.2d0fa100_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 23:45:18 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:45:18 +1100 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: I'd doubt the "anti-war brigade" have any great love for Saddam, and many rejoiced (rightfully) at the removal and capture of the mongrel dictator. What stinks are the lies told by the US and her allies to justify his removal. No doubt, Iraqis are better off without Saddam but the invasion of a country to remove it's leader for such obvious economic reasons under the guise of humanitarianism is morally bankrupt. -S ---------------------- Forwarded by Scott Lambeth/CO/HIC on 16/12/2003 10:35 --------------------------- "peter.west410" @misera.net on 16/12/2003 10:21:20 Please respond to gathering@misera.net Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net To: cc: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth ----- Original Message ----- From: Jelbod@aol.com To: gathering@misera.net Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth In a message dated 15/12/03 10:43:22 Pacific Standard Time, peter.west410@ntlworld.com writes: I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi symphathisers. =A0=A0 Mate you are so wrong, in England anti-war against iraq etc tend to= be Socialist workers party and extreme left wing affiliates. The jews will never find favours amongst extremes whether it be left or right, just the general money making middle areas. the nazi sympathisers sympathised with adolf,and the anti war brigade sympathise with saddam.saddam and adolf have roughly the same ideas ,so quite simply i put 2+2 together.Both groups are against freedom and support dictators. **************************************************************** NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the=20 addressee named above and may contain privileged and=20 confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not=20 disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you=20 received this message in error please notify HIC immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of HIC. **************************************************************** From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 23:46:26 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:46:26 -0500 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <200312152346.hBFNkDcw007106@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154358786_151376_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have to ask, Peter, what are you doing on the Killing Joke list? Have you ever listened to the LYRICS of the band? With talk like this, you belong on the KID ROCK list, not Killing Joke's. You do know, by the way, that Jaz seriously considered converting to Islam, right? His reasons for not going the whole mile involved Islam's doctrine that rejects the notion of music as an instrument of God (and being that Jaz takes music more seriously than anything else, that's him excluded). Alex in NYC ---------- From: "peter.west410" To: Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 1:40 PM Israel is our allie,When the next big war comes,the west needs someone in the middle east,Israel.One day Israels nuclear bombs might be protecting us, remember in 1981 when israel bombed Iraqs nuclear facility,the whole world condemed israel.maybe we should thank them now. how can anybody be opposed against the Iraq war,When saddams thugs brutalised people like us.I hear you say the war was about oil.question;What do you put in your car.what heats your house.Yes oil .guess where it comes from. The sword of islam wants us destroyed,Its war ,whose side are you on ? I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi symphathisers. --MS_Mac_OE_3154358786_151376_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
I have to ask, Peter, what are you doing on the Killing Joke list? Have you= ever listened to the LYRICS of the band? With talk like this, you belong on= the KID ROCK list, not Killing Joke's.

You do know, by the way, that Jaz seriously considered converting to Islam,= right? His reasons for not going the whole mile involved Islam's doctrine t= hat rejects the notion of music as an instrument of God (and being that Jaz = takes music more seriously than anything else, that's him excluded).

Alex in NYC


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From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth
Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 1:40 PM


Israel is our allie,When the next big war comes,= the west needs someone in the middle east,Israel.One day Israels nuclear bom= bs might be protecting us, remember in 1981 when israel bombed Iraqs nuclear= facility,the whole world condemed israel.maybe we should thank them now.      how can anybody be opposed against the Iraq w= ar,When saddams thugs brutalised people like us.I hear you say the war was a= bout oil.question;What do you put in your car.what heats your house.Yes oil = .guess where it comes from.
 The sword of islam wants us destroyed,Its war ,whose side are you on = ?
 I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi symphathisers.
--MS_Mac_OE_3154358786_151376_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 23:48:33 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:48:33 -0500 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <200312152348.hBFNmKcw010454@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Damn well said, Scott, you otherwise swarthy antipodean! How the fuck are ya? Alex in NYC ---------- >From: scott.lambeth@hic.gov.au >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 6:45 PM > > >I'd doubt the "anti-war brigade" have any great love for Saddam, and many >rejoiced (rightfully) at the removal and capture of the mongrel dictator. > >What stinks are the lies told by the US and her allies to justify his >removal. No doubt, Iraqis are better off without Saddam but the invasion >of a country to remove it's leader for such obvious economic reasons under >the guise of humanitarianism is morally bankrupt. > >-S > > > >---------------------- Forwarded by Scott Lambeth/CO/HIC on 16/12/2003 >10:35 --------------------------- > > >"peter.west410" @misera.net on 16/12/2003 >10:21:20 > >Please respond to gathering@misera.net > >Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net > > >To: >cc: > >Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jelbod@aol.com >To: gathering@misera.net >Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:04 PM >Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > >In a message dated 15/12/03 10:43:22 Pacific Standard Time, >peter.west410@ntlworld.com writes: > >I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi symphathisers. > > >=A0=A0 Mate you are so wrong, in England anti-war against iraq etc tend to be >Socialist workers party and extreme left wing affiliates. The jews will >never find favours amongst extremes whether it be left or right, just the >general money making middle areas. > >the nazi sympathisers sympathised with adolf,and the anti war brigade >sympathise with saddam.saddam and adolf have roughly the same ideas ,so >quite simply i put 2+2 together.Both groups are against freedom and >support dictators. > > > > > >**************************************************************** >NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the >addressee named above and may contain privileged and >confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient >of this message you are hereby notified that you must not >disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you >received this message in error please notify HIC immediately. >Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual >sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be >the views of HIC. >**************************************************************** > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 23:51:47 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:51:47 -0500 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <200312152351.hBFNpYgt004615@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154359107_170705_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit "the anti war brigade sympathise with saddam" This is a laughably simplistic statement. The "anti-war brigade" simply question the motives and necessity of the war, the costs involved and the primary objective (which seems to get blurrier by the day). Alex in NYC ---------- From: "peter.west410" To: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 6:21 PM ----- Original Message ----- From: Jelbod@aol.com To: gathering@misera.net Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth In a message dated 15/12/03 10:43:22 Pacific Standard Time, peter.west410@ntlworld.com writes: I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi symphathisers. Mate you are so wrong, in England anti-war against iraq etc tend to be Socialist workers party and extreme left wing affiliates. The jews will never find favours amongst extremes whether it be left or right, just the general money making middle areas. the nazi sympathisers sympathised with adolf,and the anti war brigade sympathise with saddam.saddam and adolf have roughly the same ideas ,so quite simply i put 2+2 together.Both groups are against freedom and support dictators. --MS_Mac_OE_3154359107_170705_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
"the anti war brigade sympathise with saddam"

This is a laughably simplistic statement. The "anti-war brigade= " simply question the motives and necessity of the war, the costs invol= ved and the primary objective (which seems to get blurrier by the day).

Alex in NYC




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From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 6:21 PM


 
----- Original Message -----
From: Jelbod@aol.com <mailto:Jelbod@aol.com>  
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>  
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth

In a message dated 15/12/03 10:43:22 Pacific Standard Time, = peter.west410@ntlworld.com <mailto:peter.west410@ntlworld.com>  write= s:

I put the anti war brigade in the same bo= at as nazi symphathisers.


   Mate you are so wrong, in England anti-war against iraq e= tc tend to be Socialist workers party and extreme left wing affiliates. The = jews will never find favours amongst extremes whether it be left or right, just the general money making mid= dle areas.
 
the nazi sympathisers sympathised with adolf,and the anti wa= r brigade sympathise with saddam.saddam and adolf have roughly the same idea= s ,so quite simply i put 2+2 tog= ether.Both groups are against freedom and support dictators.

--MS_Mac_OE_3154359107_170705_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 23:52:27 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:52:27 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: <3FDDFEBB.20369.26A7B27@localhost> Message-ID: <000c01c3c366$7fca7100$a66cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > and so by supporting bush, wolfowitz, cheney(halliburton), > rumsfeld, rove and blair on their missssssion, one would be > supporting freedom and not dictators?! > > eeeeeerrrrmmmmmmm,lets get back to basics shall we.the above mentioned were voted in ,and we vote every four years for who we want,all the middle east is run by dictators , Tell me countries what are more freeer than the usa and uk.. yes i would like a list,My point being ,this is about as free as it gets. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jelbod@aol.com > > To: gathering@misera.net > > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > In a message dated 15/12/03 10:43:22 Pacific Standard Time, peter.west410@ntlworld.com > > writes: > > > > I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi symphathisers. > > > > > > Mate you are so wrong, in England anti-war against iraq etc tend to be Socialist workers party > > and extreme left wing affiliates. The jews will never find favours amongst extremes whether it be > > left or right, just the general money making middle areas. > > > > the nazi sympathisers sympathised with adolf,and the anti war brigade sympathise with > > saddam.saddam and adolf have roughly the same ideas ,so quite simply i put 2+2 together.Both > > groups are against freedom and support dictators. > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 23:52:41 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:52:41 +1100 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: Overworked mate. And I've taken up triathlon which is knocking the shit outta me. Otherwise, both fina and dandy. Hows yourself and the rather large missus? Peg's not delivered yet right? "Alex Smith" @misera.net on 16/12/2003 10:48:33 Please respond to gathering@misera.net Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net To: gathering@misera.net, gathering@misera.net cc: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Damn well said, Scott, you otherwise swarthy antipodean! How the fuck are ya? Alex in NYC ---------- >From: scott.lambeth@hic.gov.au >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 6:45 PM > > >I'd doubt the "anti-war brigade" have any great love for Saddam, and many >rejoiced (rightfully) at the removal and capture of the mongrel dictator. > >What stinks are the lies told by the US and her allies to justify his >removal. No doubt, Iraqis are better off without Saddam but the invasion >of a country to remove it's leader for such obvious economic reasons under >the guise of humanitarianism is morally bankrupt. > >-S > > > >---------------------- Forwarded by Scott Lambeth/CO/HIC on 16/12/2003 >10:35 --------------------------- > > >"peter.west410" @misera.net on 16/12/2003 >10:21:20 > >Please respond to gathering@misera.net > >Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net > > >To: >cc: > >Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jelbod@aol.com >To: gathering@misera.net >Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:04 PM >Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > >In a message dated 15/12/03 10:43:22 Pacific Standard Time, >peter.west410@ntlworld.com writes: > >I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi symphathisers. > > >=A0=A0 Mate you are so wrong, in England anti-war against iraq etc tend t= o be >Socialist workers party and extreme left wing affiliates. The jews will >never find favours amongst extremes whether it be left or right, just the >general money making middle areas. > >the nazi sympathisers sympathised with adolf,and the anti war brigade >sympathise with saddam.saddam and adolf have roughly the same ideas ,so >quite simply i put 2+2 together.Both groups are against freedom and >support dictators. > > > > > >**************************************************************** >NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the >addressee named above and may contain privileged and >confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient >of this message you are hereby notified that you must not >disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you >received this message in error please notify HIC immediately. >Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual >sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be >the views of HIC. >**************************************************************** > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering **************************************************************** NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the=20 addressee named above and may contain privileged and=20 confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not=20 disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you=20 received this message in error please notify HIC immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of HIC. **************************************************************** From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 15 23:55:12 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mik Raven) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:55:12 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: Message-ID: <00f001c3c366$e180c8e0$0200a8c0@Paulas> Don't agree 100% there Scott. IMHO the war was the right thing to do but at the wrong time and for the wrong reasons. I don't think it was about oil. GW was doing what his dad didn't have the bottle to finish (which would have saved countless lives in hindsight). Tony Blair I believe did actually think that Saddam was a genuine threat. The fact he has not been proved correct does not change his reasons for going to war in the first place. It's one more dictator out of power.Slowly slowly, all fall down..... Mik Am I just talking total bollocks now :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth I'd doubt the "anti-war brigade" have any great love for Saddam, and many rejoiced (rightfully) at the removal and capture of the mongrel dictator. What stinks are the lies told by the US and her allies to justify his removal. No doubt, Iraqis are better off without Saddam but the invasion of a country to remove it's leader for such obvious economic reasons under the guise of humanitarianism is morally bankrupt. -S ---------------------- Forwarded by Scott Lambeth/CO/HIC on 16/12/2003 10:35 --------------------------- "peter.west410" @misera.net on 16/12/2003 10:21:20 Please respond to gathering@misera.net Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net To: cc: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth ----- Original Message ----- From: Jelbod@aol.com To: gathering@misera.net Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth In a message dated 15/12/03 10:43:22 Pacific Standard Time, peter.west410@ntlworld.com writes: I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi symphathisers. Mate you are so wrong, in England anti-war against iraq etc tend to be Socialist workers party and extreme left wing affiliates. The jews will never find favours amongst extremes whether it be left or right, just the general money making middle areas. the nazi sympathisers sympathised with adolf,and the anti war brigade sympathise with saddam.saddam and adolf have roughly the same ideas ,so quite simply i put 2+2 together.Both groups are against freedom and support dictators. **************************************************************** NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you received this message in error please notify HIC immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of HIC. **************************************************************** _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 00:04:31 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:04:31 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: <127.36ecb228.2d0fa07c@aol.com> Message-ID: <000d01c3c368$337de690$a66cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3C368.2E765D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: GregSlawson@aol.com=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth I guess you forgot that the US installed Hussein, supported him = throughout the 80s, and kept him in power. It's ONLY about oil. You are = sadly naive.=20 saddam was installed to fight against ayotolla khomeni who wanted to = kick our ass aswell,not only did they fight each other for eight = years,but we sold them the weapons aswell,I see nothing at all wrong = with that ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3C368.2E765D30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 GregSlawson@aol.com
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 = 11:40=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence = worth

I guess you forgot that the US = installed=20 Hussein, supported him throughout the 80s, and kept him in power. It's = ONLY=20 about oil. You are sadly naive.
 
saddam was installed to fight against = ayotolla=20 khomeni who wanted to kick our ass aswell,not only did they fight each = other=20 for eight years,but we sold them the weapons aswell,I see nothing at = all wrong=20 with that
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3C368.2E765D30-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 00:16:21 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (P) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:16:21 +0100 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <001701c3c33b$07cce0a0$79cdff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C3C372.37270CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of peter.west410 Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:41 PM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Israel is our allie,When the next big war comes,the west needs someone in the middle east,Israel.One day Israels nuclear bombs might be protecting us, remember in 1981 when israel bombed Iraqs nuclear facility,the whole world condemed israel.maybe we should thank them now. >>> Israel possess nuclear arms. Iraq not. Israel attacked its neighbours several times and continues to throw missiles to Syria and Lebanon and occupies what remained of Palestine. Iraq has attacked Iran (at US request) and Kuwait (what Sadam thought would be reward by USA for the job done for USA and was assured through diplomatic channels by USA that he can do it - what a mistake Sadam). how can anybody be opposed against the Iraq war,When saddams thugs brutalised people like us. >>> brutalised his people with chemical weapons deliver by UK and only scandalised by USA and UK almost 20 years later. I hear you say the war was about oil.question;What do you put in your car.what heats your house.Yes oil .guess where it comes from. >>> I guess even the oil that if not stolen from Iraques by US corporation would still be able to be put in cars and heat the houses. It would remain the same oil. The sword of islam wants us destroyed, >>> Koran must be guide for extermination of you then.... No, its not. I had several muslim friends in my life and none wanted to destroy me. Its war ,whose side are you on ? >>>> On the other side then you, the side against global empire. I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi symphathisers. >>> what have actually done against Nazis? I have have at least campaigned against fascist party and got them to loose 250,000 voted. (and kick the shit out of couple of the bastards.) ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C3C372.37270CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
-----Original Message-----
From: = gathering-admin@misera.net=20 [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of=20 peter.west410
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:41=20 PM
To: gathering@misera.net
Subject: [kj] my = tuppence=20 worth

Israel is our allie,When the = next big war=20 comes,the west needs someone in the middle east,Israel.One day Israels = nuclear=20 bombs might be protecting us, remember in 1981 when israel bombed = Iraqs=20 nuclear facility,the whole world condemed israel.maybe we should thank = them=20 now.
>>>=20 Israel possess nuclear arms. Iraq not. Israel attacked its neighbours = several=20 times and continues to throw missiles to Syria and Lebanon and = occupies what=20 remained of Palestine. Iraq has attacked Iran (at US request) and = Kuwait (what=20 Sadam thought would be reward by USA for the job done for USA and was = assured=20 through diplomatic channels by USA that he can do it - what a mistake=20 Sadam).
 
     how = can anybody be=20 opposed against the Iraq war,When saddams thugs brutalised people like = us.

>>>=20 brutalised his people with chemical weapons deliver by UK and = only=20 scandalised by USA and UK almost 20 years=20 later.
 
 I hear you say the war was = about=20 oil.question;What do you put in your car.what heats your house.Yes oil = .guess=20 where it comes from.

>>> I guess even the oil that if not stolen = from=20 Iraques by US corporation would still be able to be put in cars and = heat the=20 houses. It would remain the same = oil. 
 
 The sword of islam wants us=20 destroyed,
 
>>> Koran=20 must be guide for extermination of you then.... No, its not. I had = several=20 muslim friends in my life and none wanted to destroy me.=20
 Its war ,whose side are you on = ?
>>>> On the other side then = you, the side=20 against global empire.
 
 I put the anti war = brigade in the=20 same boat as nazi symphathisers.
>>> what have actually done against Nazis? I = have have=20 at least campaigned against fascist party and got them to=20 loose 250,000 voted. (and kick the = shit out of=20 couple of the=20 bastards.)
------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C3C372.37270CE0-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 00:07:31 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:07:31 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: <11c.2964d3c5.2d0fa100@aol.com> Message-ID: <001b01c3c368$a4acd0b0$a66cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C3C368.99B6B950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: GregSlawson@aol.com=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth I guess the media is successful in convincing some poor saps to = believe their pro-war propoganda and hypocracy. Halliburton, = Exxon-Mobile, etc. are laughing all the way to the bank (which they = probably own, anyway).=20 You can tell when people lose an argument,they resort to petty name = calling=20 PS i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen it first hand ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C3C368.99B6B950 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 GregSlawson@aol.com
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 = 11:42=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence = worth

I guess the media is successful in = convincing=20 some poor saps to believe their pro-war propoganda and hypocracy. = Halliburton,=20 Exxon-Mobile, etc. are laughing all the way to the bank (which they = probably=20 own, anyway).
 
You can tell when people lose an = argument,they=20 resort to petty name calling
PS  i spent alot of time in the = middle east=20 so i ve seen it first hand
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C3C368.99B6B950-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 00:09:38 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:09:38 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: Message-ID: <002501c3c368$ee175ef0$a66cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C3C368.E51AA690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: P=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:44 PM Subject: RE: [kj] my tuppence worth ad) the nazi sympathisers sympathised with adolf,and the anti war = brigade sympathise with saddam.saddam and adolf have roughly the same = ideas ,so quite simply i put 2+2 together.Both groups are against = freedom and support dictators. the dog has four legs and the cat has four legs and thus the dog is = the cat...=20 anti-war brigade sympathise with Sadam? who said that? CNN? obviously,If theyre against toppling saddam,they must be for him.How = difficults that -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net = [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of peter.west410 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:21 AM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jelbod@aol.com=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth In a message dated 15/12/03 10:43:22 Pacific Standard Time, = peter.west410@ntlworld.com writes: I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi = symphathisers. Mate you are so wrong, in England anti-war against iraq etc = tend to be Socialist workers party and extreme left wing affiliates. The = jews will never find favours amongst extremes whether it be left or = right, just the general money making middle areas.=20 the nazi sympathisers sympathised with adolf,and the anti war = brigade sympathise with saddam.saddam and adolf have roughly the same = ideas ,so quite simply i put 2+2 together.Both groups are against = freedom and support dictators. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C3C368.E51AA690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 P
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 = 11:44=20 PM
Subject: RE: [kj] my tuppence = worth

ad)=20 the nazi sympathisers sympathised with adolf,and the anti war = brigade=20 sympathise with saddam.saddam and adolf have roughly the same = ideas ,so quite simply i put 2+2 together.Both groups are = against=20 freedom and support dictators.
 
the dog has=20 four legs and the cat has four legs and thus the dog is the cat...=20
anti-war=20 brigade sympathise with Sadam? who said that? CNN?
 
obviously,If = theyre=20 against toppling saddam,they must be for him.How difficults=20 that
-----Original Message-----
From: = gathering-admin@misera.net=20 [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of=20 peter.west410
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:21=20 AM
To: gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] my = tuppence worth

 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Jelbod@aol.com=20
Sent: Monday, December 15, = 2003 10:04=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my = tuppence=20 worth

In a message dated 15/12/03 = 10:43:22=20 Pacific Standard Time, peter.west410@ntlworld.com= =20 writes:

I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi=20 symphathisers.


   Mate you are so wrong, in = England anti-war=20 against iraq etc tend to be Socialist workers party and extreme = left wing=20 affiliates. The jews will never find favours amongst extremes whether it be left or right, just the = general money=20 making middle areas.
 
the nazi sympathisers sympathised with = adolf,and the=20 anti war brigade sympathise with saddam.saddam and adolf have = roughly the=20 same ideas ,so quite = simply i put=20 2+2 together.Both groups are against freedom and support=20 = dictators.
------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C3C368.E51AA690-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 00:12:06 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:12:06 -0500 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <200312160011.hBG0Brcw006211@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Nah, only five & a half months in. But, it's getting scarier by the day. AlexinN YC ---------- >From: scott.lambeth@hic.gov.au >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 6:52 PM > > > >Overworked mate. And I've taken up triathlon which is knocking the shit >outta me. > >Otherwise, both fina and dandy. > >Hows yourself and the rather large missus? Peg's not delivered yet right? > > > > > > > >"Alex Smith" @misera.net on 16/12/2003 10:48:33 > >Please respond to gathering@misera.net > >Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net > > >To: gathering@misera.net, gathering@misera.net >cc: > >Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > >Damn well said, Scott, you otherwise swarthy antipodean! How the fuck are >ya? > >Alex in NYC > > >---------- >>From: scott.lambeth@hic.gov.au >>To: gathering@misera.net >>Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >>Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 6:45 PM >> > >> >>I'd doubt the "anti-war brigade" have any great love for Saddam, and many >>rejoiced (rightfully) at the removal and capture of the mongrel dictator. >> >>What stinks are the lies told by the US and her allies to justify his >>removal. No doubt, Iraqis are better off without Saddam but the invasion >>of a country to remove it's leader for such obvious economic reasons unde= r >>the guise of humanitarianism is morally bankrupt. >> >>-S >> >> >> >>---------------------- Forwarded by Scott Lambeth/CO/HIC on 16/12/2003 >>10:35 --------------------------- >> >> >>"peter.west410" @misera.net on 16/12/2003 >>10:21:20 >> >>Please respond to gathering@misera.net >> >>Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net >> >> >>To: >>cc: >> >>Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >> >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Jelbod@aol.com >>To: gathering@misera.net >>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:04 PM >>Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >> >>In a message dated 15/12/03 10:43:22 Pacific Standard Time, >>peter.west410@ntlworld.com writes: >> >>I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi symphathisers. >> >> >>=A0=A0 Mate you are so wrong, in England anti-war against iraq etc tend to b= e >>Socialist workers party and extreme left wing affiliates. The jews will >>never find favours amongst extremes whether it be left or right, just the >>general money making middle areas. >> >>the nazi sympathisers sympathised with adolf,and the anti war brigade >>sympathise with saddam.saddam and adolf have roughly the same ideas ,so >>quite simply i put 2+2 together.Both groups are against freedom and >>support dictators. >> >> >> >> >> >>**************************************************************** >>NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the >>addressee named above and may contain privileged and >>confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient >>of this message you are hereby notified that you must not >>disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you >>received this message in error please notify HIC immediately. >>Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual >>sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be >>the views of HIC. >>**************************************************************** >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Gathering mailing list >>Gathering@misera.net >>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > >**************************************************************** >NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the >addressee named above and may contain privileged and >confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient >of this message you are hereby notified that you must not >disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you >received this message in error please notify HIC immediately. >Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual >sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be >the views of HIC. >**************************************************************** > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 00:12:30 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:12:30 EST Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: --part1_f6.348e83de.2d0fa7ee_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's why we have to install dictators like Hussein, Pinochet, Shah of Iran, Suharto, etc. etc. etc. We are so fucking free! Let's go to Florida and vote! Yeah! --part1_f6.348e83de.2d0fa7ee_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's why we have to install dicta= tors like Hussein, Pinochet, Shah of Iran, Suharto, etc. etc. etc. We are so= fucking free! Let's go to Florida and vote! Yeah! --part1_f6.348e83de.2d0fa7ee_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 00:23:24 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (P) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:23:24 +0100 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <000c01c3c366$7fca7100$a66cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: “On my way home I pondered over the scene and I became more than ever convinced of the importance of imperialism . . . in order to save the 40 million inhabitants of the United Kingdom from a bloody civil war we colonial statesmen must acquire new lands to settle the surplus population, to provide new markets for the goods produced in the factories and mines. The Empire, as I have always said, is a bread and butter question. If you want to avoid civil war, you must become imperialists.” Cecil Rhodes, the coloniser of Zimbabwe and South Africa, 1895 -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of peter.west410 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:52 AM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > and so by supporting bush, wolfowitz, cheney(halliburton), > rumsfeld, rove and blair on their missssssion, one would be > supporting freedom and not dictators?! > > eeeeeerrrrmmmmmmm,lets get back to basics shall we.the above mentioned were voted in ,and we vote every four years for who we want,all the middle east is run by dictators , Tell me countries what are more freeer than the usa and uk.. yes i would like a list,My point being ,this is about as free as it gets. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jelbod@aol.com > > To: gathering@misera.net > > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > In a message dated 15/12/03 10:43:22 Pacific Standard Time, peter.west410@ntlworld.com > > writes: > > > > I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi symphathisers. > > > > > > Mate you are so wrong, in England anti-war against iraq etc tend to be Socialist workers party > > and extreme left wing affiliates. The jews will never find favours amongst extremes whether it be > > left or right, just the general money making middle areas. > > > > the nazi sympathisers sympathised with adolf,and the anti war brigade sympathise with > > saddam.saddam and adolf have roughly the same ideas ,so quite simply i put 2+2 together.Both > > groups are against freedom and support dictators. > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 00:13:34 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:13:34 +1100 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: Sure, there's an element of vendetta in the George W approach to the "war on terrorism" as evidenced by the now infamous "Saddam tried to kill my daddy" quote but Iraq was never a physical threat to the US. The US had good economic reasons to go to war. There's no way George W could get the backing of congress because his old man was threatened. Tony Blair, and indeed John Howard, acted hastily and without the support of their own people. Whether they were deliberately misled by the US will remain unknown. Saddam needed removal but no country has the RIGHT to unilaterally invade a country to mould it's politics for it's own gain. I don't see the US, UK & Australia lining up to kick out Mugabe or Taylor. -S "Mik Raven" @misera.net on 16/12/2003 10:55:12 Please respond to gathering@misera.net Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net To: cc: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Don't agree 100% there Scott. IMHO the war was the right thing to do but at the wrong time and for the wrong reasons. I don't think it was about oil. GW was doing what his dad didn't have the bottle to finish (which would have saved countless lives in hindsight). Tony Blair I believe did actually think that Saddam was a genuine threat. The fact he has not been proved correct does not change his reasons for going to war in the first place. It's one more dictator out of power.Slowly slowly, all fall down..... Mik Am I just talking total bollocks now :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth I'd doubt the "anti-war brigade" have any great love for Saddam, and many rejoiced (rightfully) at the removal and capture of the mongrel dictator. What stinks are the lies told by the US and her allies to justify his removal. No doubt, Iraqis are better off without Saddam but the invasion of a country to remove it's leader for such obvious economic reasons under the guise of humanitarianism is morally bankrupt. -S ---------------------- Forwarded by Scott Lambeth/CO/HIC on 16/12/2003 10:35 --------------------------- "peter.west410" @misera.net on 16/12/2003 10:21:20 Please respond to gathering@misera.net Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net To: cc: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth ----- Original Message ----- From: Jelbod@aol.com To: gathering@misera.net Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth In a message dated 15/12/03 10:43:22 Pacific Standard Time, peter.west410@ntlworld.com writes: I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi symphathisers. Mate you are so wrong, in England anti-war against iraq etc tend to be Socialist workers party and extreme left wing affiliates. The jews will never find favours amongst extremes whether it be left or right, just the general money making middle areas. the nazi sympathisers sympathised with adolf,and the anti war brigade sympathise with saddam.saddam and adolf have roughly the same ideas ,so quite simply i put 2+2 together.Both groups are against freedom and support dictators. **************************************************************** NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you received this message in error please notify HIC immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of HIC. **************************************************************** _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 00:13:46 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:13:46 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: <200312152346.hBFNkDcw007106@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <002f01c3c369$8853c6c0$a66cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C3C369.78C896E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worth ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alex Smith=20 To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth I have to ask, Peter, what are you doing on the Killing Joke list? = Have you ever listened to the LYRICS of the band? With talk like this, = you belong on the KID ROCK list, not Killing Joke's. You do know, by the way, that Jaz seriously considered converting to = Islam, right? His reasons for not going the whole mile involved Islam's = doctrine that rejects the notion of music as an instrument of God (and = being that Jaz takes music more seriously than anything else, that's him = excluded). Alex in NYC I listen to the lyrics,But i dont have to agree with them ,"follow the = leader",wasnt an order you know ---------- From: "peter.west410" To: Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 1:40 PM Israel is our allie,When the next big war comes,the west needs = someone in the middle east,Israel.One day Israels nuclear bombs might be = protecting us, remember in 1981 when israel bombed Iraqs nuclear = facility,the whole world condemed israel.maybe we should thank them now. how can anybody be opposed against the Iraq war,When saddams = thugs brutalised people like us.I hear you say the war was about = oil.question;What do you put in your car.what heats your house.Yes oil = .guess where it comes from. The sword of islam wants us destroyed,Its war ,whose side are you = on ? I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi symphathisers. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C3C369.78C896E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alex=20 Smith
To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 = 11:46=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence = worth


I have to ask, Peter, what are you doing on the Killing Joke = list?=20 Have you ever listened to the LYRICS of the band? With talk like this, = you=20 belong on the KID ROCK list, not Killing Joke's.

You do know, = by the=20 way, that Jaz seriously considered converting to Islam, right? His = reasons for=20 not going the whole mile involved Islam's doctrine that rejects the = notion of=20 music as an instrument of God (and being that Jaz takes music more = seriously=20 than anything else, that's him excluded).

Alex in NYC
I listen to the lyrics,But i dont = have to agree=20 with them ,"follow the leader",wasnt an order you=20 know

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From: "peter.west410"=20 <peter.west410@ntlworld.com>
To:=20 <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: [kj] my tuppence = worth
Date: Mon,=20 Dec 15, 2003, 1:40 PM


Israel is our allie,When the next big war = comes,the=20 west needs someone in the middle east,Israel.One day Israels nuclear = bombs=20 might be protecting us, remember in 1981 when israel bombed Iraqs = nuclear=20 facility,the whole world condemed israel.maybe we should thank them=20 now.
     how can anybody be opposed = against the=20 Iraq war,When saddams thugs brutalised people like us.I hear you say = the war=20 was about oil.question;What do you put in your car.what heats your = house.Yes=20 oil .guess where it comes from.
 The sword of islam wants us = destroyed,Its war ,whose side are you on ?
 I put the anti = war=20 brigade in the same boat as nazi=20 symphathisers.

------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C3C369.78C896E0-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 00:15:48 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:15:48 -0500 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <200312160015.hBG0FZgt012609@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154360548_257399_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit "Poor Sap" is *hardly* name-calling on this list. Trust me. "i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen it first hand" I find it STAGGERINGLY hard to believe and exceptionally depressing that you could spend any time in that region yet still come away with such a blinkered, jingoistic, narrow point of view. Alex in NYC ---------- From: "peter.west410" To: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:07 PM ----- Original Message ----- From: GregSlawson@aol.com To: gathering@misera.net Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth I guess the media is successful in convincing some poor saps to believe their pro-war propoganda and hypocracy. Halliburton, Exxon-Mobile, etc. are laughing all the way to the bank (which they probably own, anyway). You can tell when people lose an argument,they resort to petty name calling PS i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen it first hand --MS_Mac_OE_3154360548_257399_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
"Poor Sap" is *hardly* name-calling on this list. Trust me.

"i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen i= t first hand"

I find it STAGGERINGLY hard to believe and exceptionally depressing =  that you could spend any time in that region yet still come away with = such a blinkered, jingoistic, narrow point of view.

Alex in NYC



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From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:07 PM


 
----- Original Message -----
From: GregSlawson@aol.com <mailto:GregSlawson@aol.com>  
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>  
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth

I guess the media is successful in convincing s= ome poor saps to believe their pro-war propoganda and hypocracy. Halliburton= , Exxon-Mobile, etc. are laughing all the way to the bank (which they probab= ly own, anyway).
 
You can tell when people lose an argument,they resort to pet= ty name calling
PS  i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen it first hand=

--MS_Mac_OE_3154360548_257399_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 00:18:39 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:18:39 -0500 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <200312160018.hBG0FZgx012609@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154360719_267684_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit "I listen to the lyrics,But i dont have to agree with them ,"follow the leader",wasnt an order you know" Fair enough, I just think it's a bit incongruous. Alex in NYC ---------- From: "peter.west410" To: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:13 PM ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Smith To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth I have to ask, Peter, what are you doing on the Killing Joke list? Have you ever listened to the LYRICS of the band? With talk like this, you belong on the KID ROCK list, not Killing Joke's. You do know, by the way, that Jaz seriously considered converting to Islam, right? His reasons for not going the whole mile involved Islam's doctrine that rejects the notion of music as an instrument of God (and being that Jaz takes music more seriously than anything else, that's him excluded). Alex in NYC I listen to the lyrics,But i dont have to agree with them ,"follow the leader",wasnt an order you know ---------- From: "peter.west410" To: Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 1:40 PM Israel is our allie,When the next big war comes,the west needs someone in the middle east,Israel.One day Israels nuclear bombs might be protecting us, remember in 1981 when israel bombed Iraqs nuclear facility,the whole world condemed israel.maybe we should thank them now. how can anybody be opposed against the Iraq war,When saddams thugs brutalised people like us.I hear you say the war was about oil.question;What do you put in your car.what heats your house.Yes oil .guess where it comes from. The sword of islam wants us destroyed,Its war ,whose side are you on ? I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi symphathisers. --MS_Mac_OE_3154360719_267684_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
"I listen to the lyrics,But i dont have to agree with t= hem ,"follow the leader",wasnt an order you know"

Fair enough, I just think it's a bit incongruous.

Alex in NYC



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From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:13 PM


 
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Smith <mailto:vassifer@earthl= ink.net>  
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>  ; gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>  
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth


I have to ask, Peter, what are you doing on the Killing Joke list? Have you= ever listened to the LYRICS of the band? With talk like this, you belong on= the KID ROCK list, not Killing Joke's.

You do know, by the way, that Jaz seriously considered converting to Islam,= right? His reasons for not going the whole mile involved Islam's doctrine t= hat rejects the notion of music as an instrument of God (and being that Jaz = takes music more seriously than anything else, that's him excluded).

Alex in NYC
I listen to the lyrics,But i dont have to agree with them ,&= quot;follow the leader",wasnt an order you know

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From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410@= ntlworld.com>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth
Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 1:40 PM


Israel is our allie,When the next big war comes,= the west needs someone in the middle east,Israel.One day Israels nuclear bom= bs might be protecting us, remember in 1981 when israel bombed Iraqs nuclear= facility,the whole world condemed israel.maybe we should thank them now.      how can anybody be opposed against the Iraq w= ar,When saddams thugs brutalised people like us.I hear you say the war was a= bout oil.question;What do you put in your car.what heats your house.Yes oil = .guess where it comes from.
 The sword of islam wants us destroyed,Its war ,whose side are you on = ?
 I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi symphathisers.

--MS_Mac_OE_3154360719_267684_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 00:21:19 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mik Raven) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:21:19 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: Message-ID: <016b01c3c36a$874372c0$0200a8c0@Paulas> Tony Blair did have the backing of his people. It's the silent majority like me who couldn't come up with any good reason not to get rid of an evil tyrannical dictator who backed him. So 1 million people felt strongly enough to march in London. 1 in 60 of the population. To be honest, most people over here have no strong views one way or the other. Just glad to be rid of him. Another load of tosh from Mik ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > Sure, there's an element of vendetta in the George W approach to the "war > on terrorism" as evidenced by the now infamous "Saddam tried to kill my > daddy" quote but Iraq was never a physical threat to the US. The US had > good economic reasons to go to war. There's no way George W could get the > backing of congress because his old man was threatened. > > Tony Blair, and indeed John Howard, acted hastily and without the support > of their own people. Whether they were deliberately misled by the US will > remain unknown. > > Saddam needed removal but no country has the RIGHT to unilaterally invade a > country to mould it's politics for it's own gain. I don't see the US, UK & > Australia lining up to kick out Mugabe or Taylor. > > -S > > > > > > > "Mik Raven" @misera.net on 16/12/2003 10:55:12 > > Please respond to gathering@misera.net > > Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net > > > To: > cc: > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > Don't agree 100% there Scott. IMHO the war was the right thing to do but at > the wrong time and for the wrong reasons. I don't think it was about oil. > GW > was doing what his dad didn't have the bottle to finish (which would have > saved countless lives in hindsight). Tony Blair I believe did actually > think > that Saddam was a genuine threat. The fact he has not been proved correct > does not change his reasons for going to war in the first place. It's one > more dictator out of power.Slowly slowly, all fall down..... > > Mik > > Am I just talking total bollocks now :-) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:45 PM > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > I'd doubt the "anti-war brigade" have any great love for Saddam, and many > rejoiced (rightfully) at the removal and capture of the mongrel dictator. > > What stinks are the lies told by the US and her allies to justify his > removal. No doubt, Iraqis are better off without Saddam but the invasion > of a country to remove it's leader for such obvious economic reasons under > the guise of humanitarianism is morally bankrupt. > > -S > > > > ---------------------- Forwarded by Scott Lambeth/CO/HIC on 16/12/2003 > 10:35 --------------------------- > > > "peter.west410" @misera.net on 16/12/2003 > 10:21:20 > > Please respond to gathering@misera.net > > Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net > > > To: > cc: > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jelbod@aol.com > To: gathering@misera.net > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:04 PM > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > In a message dated 15/12/03 10:43:22 Pacific Standard Time, > peter.west410@ntlworld.com writes: > > I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi symphathisers. > > > Mate you are so wrong, in England anti-war against iraq etc tend to be > Socialist workers party and extreme left wing affiliates. The jews will > never find favours amongst extremes whether it be left or right, just the > general money making middle areas. > > the nazi sympathisers sympathised with adolf,and the anti war brigade > sympathise with saddam.saddam and adolf have roughly the same ideas ,so > quite simply i put 2+2 together.Both groups are against freedom and > support dictators. > > > > > > **************************************************************** > NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the > addressee named above and may contain privileged and > confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient > of this message you are hereby notified that you must not > disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you > received this message in error please notify HIC immediately. > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be > the views of HIC. > **************************************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 00:25:01 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mik Raven) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:25:01 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: <200312160018.hBG0FZgx012609@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <018201c3c36b$0bda9fe0$0200a8c0@Paulas> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_017F_01C3C36B.0B6CC2E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worthYou mean there's lyrics? Quite frankly I can't = understand a word these modern rock and roll singers say :-) Actually, most of what comes out of the mouth of Jaz Coleman is total = bollocks and not worth living your life by. Just stick to the = undefinable KJ credo. Mik ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alex Smith=20 To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth "I listen to the lyrics,But i dont have to agree with them ,"follow = the leader",wasnt an order you know" Fair enough, I just think it's a bit incongruous. Alex in NYC ---------- From: "peter.west410" To: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:13 PM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alex Smith =20 To: gathering@misera.net ; = gathering@misera.net =20 Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth I have to ask, Peter, what are you doing on the Killing Joke list? = Have you ever listened to the LYRICS of the band? With talk like this, = you belong on the KID ROCK list, not Killing Joke's. You do know, by the way, that Jaz seriously considered converting = to Islam, right? His reasons for not going the whole mile involved = Islam's doctrine that rejects the notion of music as an instrument of = God (and being that Jaz takes music more seriously than anything else, = that's him excluded). Alex in NYC I listen to the lyrics,But i dont have to agree with them ,"follow = the leader",wasnt an order you know ---------- From: "peter.west410" To: Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 1:40 PM Israel is our allie,When the next big war comes,the west needs = someone in the middle east,Israel.One day Israels nuclear bombs might be = protecting us, remember in 1981 when israel bombed Iraqs nuclear = facility,the whole world condemed israel.maybe we should thank them now. how can anybody be opposed against the Iraq war,When = saddams thugs brutalised people like us.I hear you say the war was about = oil.question;What do you put in your car.what heats your house.Yes oil = .guess where it comes from. The sword of islam wants us destroyed,Its war ,whose side are = you on ? I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi = symphathisers. ------=_NextPart_000_017F_01C3C36B.0B6CC2E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
You mean there's lyrics? Quite frankly = I can't=20 understand a word these modern rock and roll singers say = :-)
 
Actually, most of what comes out of the = mouth of=20 Jaz Coleman is total bollocks and not worth living your life by. Just = stick to=20 the undefinable KJ credo.
 
Mik
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alex=20 Smith
To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, = 2003 12:18=20 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence = worth


"I listen to the lyrics,But i dont = have to=20 agree with them ,"follow the leader",wasnt an order you=20 know"

Fair enough, I just think it's a bit=20 incongruous.

Alex in NYC



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From:=20 "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com= >
To:=20 <gathering@misera.net>
Subj= ect:=20 Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:13 = PM



----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Smith = <mailto:vassifer@earthlink.net<= /U>>=20  
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net> =  ; gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>=20  
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:46=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth


I have = to ask,=20 Peter, what are you doing on the Killing Joke list? Have you ever = listened=20 to the LYRICS of the band? With talk like this, you belong on the = KID ROCK=20 list, not Killing Joke's.

You do know, by the way, that Jaz = seriously considered converting to Islam, right? His reasons for = not going=20 the whole mile involved Islam's doctrine that rejects the notion = of music=20 as an instrument of God (and being that Jaz takes music more = seriously=20 than anything else, that's him excluded).

Alex in = NYC
I listen to the lyrics,But i dont have to agree with them = ,"follow=20 the leader",wasnt an order you = know

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From:=20 "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com>
To:=20 <gathering@misera.net>
Subject:=20 [kj] my tuppence worth
Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 1:40 = PM


Israel is our allie,When the next big = war=20 comes,the west needs someone in the middle east,Israel.One day = Israels=20 nuclear bombs might be protecting us, remember in 1981 when = israel=20 bombed Iraqs nuclear facility,the whole world condemed = israel.maybe we=20 should thank them now.
     how can = anybody=20 be opposed against the Iraq war,When saddams thugs brutalised = people=20 like us.I hear you say the war was about oil.question;What do = you put in=20 your car.what heats your house.Yes oil .guess where it comes=20 from.
 The sword of islam wants us destroyed,Its war = ,whose side=20 are you on ?
 I put the anti war brigade in the same = boat as=20 nazi=20 symphathisers.


<= /BLOCKQUOTE> ------=_NextPart_000_017F_01C3C36B.0B6CC2E0-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 00:26:41 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:26:41 +1100 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: "To be honest, most people over here have no strong views one way or the other." I could have said exactly the same about Australians mate. -S "better to die on your feet than live on your knees" "Mik Raven" @misera.net on 16/12/2003 11:21:19 Please respond to gathering@misera.net Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net To: cc: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Tony Blair did have the backing of his people. It's the silent majority like me who couldn't come up with any good reason not to get rid of an evil tyrannical dictator who backed him. So 1 million people felt strongly enough to march in London. 1 in 60 of the population. To be honest, most people over here have no strong views one way or the other. Just glad to be rid of him. Another load of tosh from Mik ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > Sure, there's an element of vendetta in the George W approach to the "war > on terrorism" as evidenced by the now infamous "Saddam tried to kill my > daddy" quote but Iraq was never a physical threat to the US. The US had > good economic reasons to go to war. There's no way George W could get the > backing of congress because his old man was threatened. > > Tony Blair, and indeed John Howard, acted hastily and without the support > of their own people. Whether they were deliberately misled by the US will > remain unknown. > > Saddam needed removal but no country has the RIGHT to unilaterally invade a > country to mould it's politics for it's own gain. I don't see the US, UK & > Australia lining up to kick out Mugabe or Taylor. > > -S > > > > > > > "Mik Raven" @misera.net on 16/12/2003 10:55:12 > > Please respond to gathering@misera.net > > Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net > > > To: > cc: > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > Don't agree 100% there Scott. IMHO the war was the right thing to do but at > the wrong time and for the wrong reasons. I don't think it was about oil. > GW > was doing what his dad didn't have the bottle to finish (which would have > saved countless lives in hindsight). Tony Blair I believe did actually > think > that Saddam was a genuine threat. The fact he has not been proved correct > does not change his reasons for going to war in the first place. It's one > more dictator out of power.Slowly slowly, all fall down..... > > Mik > > Am I just talking total bollocks now :-) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:45 PM > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > I'd doubt the "anti-war brigade" have any great love for Saddam, and many > rejoiced (rightfully) at the removal and capture of the mongrel dictator. > > What stinks are the lies told by the US and her allies to justify his > removal. No doubt, Iraqis are better off without Saddam but the invasion > of a country to remove it's leader for such obvious economic reasons under > the guise of humanitarianism is morally bankrupt. > > -S > > > > ---------------------- Forwarded by Scott Lambeth/CO/HIC on 16/12/2003 > 10:35 --------------------------- > > > "peter.west410" @misera.net on 16/12/2003 > 10:21:20 > > Please respond to gathering@misera.net > > Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net > > > To: > cc: > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jelbod@aol.com > To: gathering@misera.net > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:04 PM > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > In a message dated 15/12/03 10:43:22 Pacific Standard Time, > peter.west410@ntlworld.com writes: > > I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi symphathisers. > > > Mate you are so wrong, in England anti-war against iraq etc tend to be > Socialist workers party and extreme left wing affiliates. The jews will > never find favours amongst extremes whether it be left or right, just the > general money making middle areas. > > the nazi sympathisers sympathised with adolf,and the anti war brigade > sympathise with saddam.saddam and adolf have roughly the same ideas ,so > quite simply i put 2+2 together.Both groups are against freedom and > support dictators. > > > > > > **************************************************************** > NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the > addressee named above and may contain privileged and > confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient > of this message you are hereby notified that you must not > disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you > received this message in error please notify HIC immediately. > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be > the views of HIC. > **************************************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 00:31:13 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mik Raven) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:31:13 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: Message-ID: <019701c3c36b$e9109180$0200a8c0@Paulas> Funny how the minority dictate how the country's view are seen by the rest of the world isn't it! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > "To be honest, most people over here have no strong views one way or the > other." > > I could have said exactly the same about Australians mate. > > -S > > "better to die on your feet than live on your knees" > > > > > > > > "Mik Raven" @misera.net on 16/12/2003 11:21:19 > > Please respond to gathering@misera.net > > Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net > > > To: > cc: > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > Tony Blair did have the backing of his people. It's the silent majority > like > me who couldn't come up with any good reason not to get rid of an evil > tyrannical dictator who backed him. So 1 million people felt strongly > enough > to march in London. 1 in 60 of the population. To be honest, most people > over here have no strong views one way or the other. Just glad to be rid of > him. > > Another load of tosh from Mik > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:13 AM > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > > > > > Sure, there's an element of vendetta in the George W approach to the "war > > on terrorism" as evidenced by the now infamous "Saddam tried to kill my > > daddy" quote but Iraq was never a physical threat to the US. The US had > > good economic reasons to go to war. There's no way George W could get > the > > backing of congress because his old man was threatened. > > > > Tony Blair, and indeed John Howard, acted hastily and without the support > > of their own people. Whether they were deliberately misled by the US > will > > remain unknown. > > > > Saddam needed removal but no country has the RIGHT to unilaterally invade > a > > country to mould it's politics for it's own gain. I don't see the US, UK > & > > Australia lining up to kick out Mugabe or Taylor. > > > > -S > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mik Raven" @misera.net on 16/12/2003 10:55:12 > > > > Please respond to gathering@misera.net > > > > Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net > > > > > > To: > > cc: > > > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > > > Don't agree 100% there Scott. IMHO the war was the right thing to do but > at > > the wrong time and for the wrong reasons. I don't think it was about oil. > > GW > > was doing what his dad didn't have the bottle to finish (which would have > > saved countless lives in hindsight). Tony Blair I believe did actually > > think > > that Saddam was a genuine threat. The fact he has not been proved correct > > does not change his reasons for going to war in the first place. It's one > > more dictator out of power.Slowly slowly, all fall down..... > > > > Mik > > > > Am I just talking total bollocks now :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:45 PM > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > > > > > I'd doubt the "anti-war brigade" have any great love for Saddam, and many > > rejoiced (rightfully) at the removal and capture of the mongrel dictator. > > > > What stinks are the lies told by the US and her allies to justify his > > removal. No doubt, Iraqis are better off without Saddam but the invasion > > of a country to remove it's leader for such obvious economic reasons > under > > the guise of humanitarianism is morally bankrupt. > > > > -S > > > > > > > > ---------------------- Forwarded by Scott Lambeth/CO/HIC on 16/12/2003 > > 10:35 --------------------------- > > > > > > "peter.west410" @misera.net on 16/12/2003 > > 10:21:20 > > > > Please respond to gathering@misera.net > > > > Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net > > > > > > To: > > cc: > > > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jelbod@aol.com > > To: gathering@misera.net > > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > In a message dated 15/12/03 10:43:22 Pacific Standard Time, > > peter.west410@ntlworld.com writes: > > > > I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi symphathisers. > > > > > > Mate you are so wrong, in England anti-war against iraq etc tend to be > > Socialist workers party and extreme left wing affiliates. The jews will > > never find favours amongst extremes whether it be left or right, just the > > general money making middle areas. > > > > the nazi sympathisers sympathised with adolf,and the anti war brigade > > sympathise with saddam.saddam and adolf have roughly the same ideas ,so > > quite simply i put 2+2 together.Both groups are against freedom and > > support dictators. > > > > > > > > > > > > **************************************************************** > > NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the > > addressee named above and may contain privileged and > > confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient > > of this message you are hereby notified that you must not > > disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you > > received this message in error please notify HIC immediately. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > > sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be > > the views of HIC. > > **************************************************************** > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 00:33:31 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:33:31 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: <200312160015.hBG0FZgt012609@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <001901c3c36c$3c1f89d0$4c48ff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C3C36C.3B3F6300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worth ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alex Smith=20 To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth "Poor Sap" is *hardly* name-calling on this list. Trust me.=20 "i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen it first hand" I find it STAGGERINGLY hard to believe and exceptionally depressing = that you could spend any time in that region yet still come away with = such a blinkered, jingoistic, narrow point of view. Alex in NYC then you should go to the arab countries,and see normal people = terrorized by the state,see the religious police butalising people ,see = the women not allowed to drive .education forbidden,walking three steps = behind their man.I think you re the one out of touch ---------- From: "peter.west410" To: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:07 PM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: GregSlawson@aol.com =20 To: gathering@misera.net =20 Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth I guess the media is successful in convincing some poor saps to = believe their pro-war propoganda and hypocracy. Halliburton, = Exxon-Mobile, etc. are laughing all the way to the bank (which they = probably own, anyway).=20 =20 You can tell when people lose an argument,they resort to petty name = calling=20 PS i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen it first = hand ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C3C36C.3B3F6300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alex=20 Smith
To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, = 2003 12:15=20 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence = worth


"Poor Sap" is *hardly* name-calling on this list. Trust me.=20

"i spent alot of time in the middle east so i = ve seen it=20 first hand"

I find it STAGGERINGLY hard to believe and=20 exceptionally depressing  that you could spend any time in that = region=20 yet still come away with such a blinkered, jingoistic, narrow point of = view.

Alex in NYC
then you should go to = the arab=20 countries,and see normal people terrorized by the state,see the = religious=20 police butalising people ,see the women not allowed to drive = .education=20 forbidden,walking three steps behind their man.I think you re the one = out of=20 touch


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From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com= >
To:=20 <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence = worth
Date:=20 Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:07 PM



----- Original Message -----
From: GregSlawson@aol.com <mailto:GregSlawson@aol.com>=20  
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>=20  
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:42=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence = worth

I guess the media is successful in convincing some poor = saps to=20 believe their pro-war propoganda and hypocracy. Halliburton, = Exxon-Mobile,=20 etc. are laughing all the way to the bank (which they probably own,=20 anyway).
 
You can tell when = people lose an=20 argument,they resort to petty name calling
PS  i spent alot = of time=20 in the middle east so i ve seen it first=20 hand

------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C3C36C.3B3F6300-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 00:45:23 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (P) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:45:23 +0100 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <016b01c3c36a$874372c0$0200a8c0@Paulas> Message-ID: ad) "Tony Blair did have the backing of his people. It's the silent majority like me who couldn't come up with any good reason not to get rid of an evil tyrannical dictator who backed him." >>>> there is however a good reason why it shall be up to Iraque people to get a rid of evil tyrannical dictator. So that the very evil tyrannical dictator is not replaced by evil tyrannical dictatorship of occupant US/UK allies, but by the will of Iraque people. Don't you think? ad) So 1 million people felt strongly enough to march in London. 1 in 60 of the population. To be honest, most people over here have no strong views one way or the other. Just glad to be rid of him. >>>> So there must be more than 30milions on the demonstration otherwise it doesnt expresses the view of majority? Its like saying that football team is supported only by some 50,000 people who managed to get on the stadium and opposed by the rest of people. It would also mean that all who are too old to go to demonstration, or live in distant places from Trafalgar square or had to be at work when demonstration took place are always supporters of every government's action. From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 00:49:48 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (P) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:49:48 +0100 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <019701c3c36b$e9109180$0200a8c0@Paulas> Message-ID: Good comparison of what view is in majority would be if there is a demonstration for war and compare it with the demonstration against the war. How many have been demonstrating for war? 20 milion world-wide on 15th February 2003? No, at least 20 milion were demonstrating against the war that day, (including South Pole station). -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of Mik Raven Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 1:31 AM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Funny how the minority dictate how the country's view are seen by the rest of the world isn't it! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > "To be honest, most people over here have no strong views one way or the > other." > > I could have said exactly the same about Australians mate. > > -S > > "better to die on your feet than live on your knees" > > > > > > > > "Mik Raven" @misera.net on 16/12/2003 11:21:19 > > Please respond to gathering@misera.net > > Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net > > > To: > cc: > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > Tony Blair did have the backing of his people. It's the silent majority > like > me who couldn't come up with any good reason not to get rid of an evil > tyrannical dictator who backed him. So 1 million people felt strongly > enough > to march in London. 1 in 60 of the population. To be honest, most people > over here have no strong views one way or the other. Just glad to be rid of > him. > > Another load of tosh from Mik > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:13 AM > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > > > > > Sure, there's an element of vendetta in the George W approach to the "war > > on terrorism" as evidenced by the now infamous "Saddam tried to kill my > > daddy" quote but Iraq was never a physical threat to the US. The US had > > good economic reasons to go to war. There's no way George W could get > the > > backing of congress because his old man was threatened. > > > > Tony Blair, and indeed John Howard, acted hastily and without the support > > of their own people. Whether they were deliberately misled by the US > will > > remain unknown. > > > > Saddam needed removal but no country has the RIGHT to unilaterally invade > a > > country to mould it's politics for it's own gain. I don't see the US, UK > & > > Australia lining up to kick out Mugabe or Taylor. > > > > -S > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mik Raven" @misera.net on 16/12/2003 10:55:12 > > > > Please respond to gathering@misera.net > > > > Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net > > > > > > To: > > cc: > > > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > > > Don't agree 100% there Scott. IMHO the war was the right thing to do but > at > > the wrong time and for the wrong reasons. I don't think it was about oil. > > GW > > was doing what his dad didn't have the bottle to finish (which would have > > saved countless lives in hindsight). Tony Blair I believe did actually > > think > > that Saddam was a genuine threat. The fact he has not been proved correct > > does not change his reasons for going to war in the first place. It's one > > more dictator out of power.Slowly slowly, all fall down..... > > > > Mik > > > > Am I just talking total bollocks now :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:45 PM > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > > > > > I'd doubt the "anti-war brigade" have any great love for Saddam, and many > > rejoiced (rightfully) at the removal and capture of the mongrel dictator. > > > > What stinks are the lies told by the US and her allies to justify his > > removal. No doubt, Iraqis are better off without Saddam but the invasion > > of a country to remove it's leader for such obvious economic reasons > under > > the guise of humanitarianism is morally bankrupt. > > > > -S > > > > > > > > ---------------------- Forwarded by Scott Lambeth/CO/HIC on 16/12/2003 > > 10:35 --------------------------- > > > > > > "peter.west410" @misera.net on 16/12/2003 > > 10:21:20 > > > > Please respond to gathering@misera.net > > > > Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net > > > > > > To: > > cc: > > > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jelbod@aol.com > > To: gathering@misera.net > > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > In a message dated 15/12/03 10:43:22 Pacific Standard Time, > > peter.west410@ntlworld.com writes: > > > > I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi symphathisers. > > > > > > Mate you are so wrong, in England anti-war against iraq etc tend to be > > Socialist workers party and extreme left wing affiliates. The jews will > > never find favours amongst extremes whether it be left or right, just the > > general money making middle areas. > > > > the nazi sympathisers sympathised with adolf,and the anti war brigade > > sympathise with saddam.saddam and adolf have roughly the same ideas ,so > > quite simply i put 2+2 together.Both groups are against freedom and > > support dictators. > > > > > > > > > > > > **************************************************************** > > NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the > > addressee named above and may contain privileged and > > confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient > > of this message you are hereby notified that you must not > > disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you > > received this message in error please notify HIC immediately. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > > sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be > > the views of HIC. > > **************************************************************** > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 00:39:32 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:39:32 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: Message-ID: <002301c3c36d$14eaa740$4c48ff3e@yourby3nr533ht> ----- Original Message ----- From: "P" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:23 AM Subject: RE: [kj] my tuppence worth > "On my way home I pondered over the scene and I became more than ever > convinced of the importance of imperialism . . . in order to save the 40 > million inhabitants of the United Kingdom from a bloody civil war we > colonial statesmen must acquire new lands to settle the surplus population, > to provide new markets for the goods produced in the factories and mines. > The Empire, as I have always said, is a bread and butter question. If you > want to avoid civil war, you must become imperialists." > > Cecil Rhodes, the coloniser of Zimbabwe and South Africa, 1895 > > You sent that in 1895 and its just gothere,bloody hell mate,you should change to Broadband > -----Original Message----- > From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On > Behalf Of peter.west410 > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:52 AM > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:34 PM > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > and so by supporting bush, wolfowitz, cheney(halliburton), > > rumsfeld, rove and blair on their missssssion, one would be > > supporting freedom and not dictators?! > > > > eeeeeerrrrmmmmmmm,lets get back to basics shall we.the above mentioned > were voted in ,and we vote every four years for who we want,all the middle > east is run by dictators , Tell me countries what are more freeer than the > usa and uk.. yes i would like a list,My point being ,this is about as free > as it gets. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Jelbod@aol.com > > > To: gathering@misera.net > > > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:04 PM > > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > > > In a message dated 15/12/03 10:43:22 Pacific Standard Time, > peter.west410@ntlworld.com > > > writes: > > > > > > I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi symphathisers. > > > > > > > > > Mate you are so wrong, in England anti-war against iraq etc tend to be > Socialist workers party > > > and extreme left wing affiliates. The jews will never find favours > amongst extremes whether it be > > > left or right, just the general money making middle areas. > > > > > > the nazi sympathisers sympathised with adolf,and the anti war brigade > sympathise with > > > saddam.saddam and adolf have roughly the same ideas ,so quite simply i > put 2+2 together.Both > > > groups are against freedom and support dictators. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 00:47:53 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mik Raven) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:47:53 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: Message-ID: <01a501c3c36e$3d9e28a0$0200a8c0@Paulas> What a very strange view of the world! Are you saying that the US/UK are not trying to get Iraq back on it's feet to govern itself? Are you saying that the occupying force is as great an evil as Saddam? Maybe I'm mis reading your mail. The view of the majority of people I know was not against the war. I mix in a very general circle of people, not a like minded group so I feel I have the general feeling, but I could be wrong of course. ----- Original Message ----- From: "P" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:45 AM Subject: RE: [kj] my tuppence worth > ad) "Tony Blair did have the backing of his people. It's the silent majority > like > me who couldn't come up with any good reason not to get rid of an evil > tyrannical dictator who backed him." > > >>>> there is however a good reason why it shall be up to Iraque people to > get a rid of evil tyrannical dictator. So that the very evil tyrannical > dictator is not replaced by evil tyrannical dictatorship of occupant US/UK > allies, but by the will of Iraque people. Don't you think? > > ad) So 1 million people felt strongly enough > to march in London. 1 in 60 of the population. To be honest, most people > over here have no strong views one way or the other. Just glad to be rid of > him. > > >>>> So there must be more than 30milions on the demonstration otherwise it > doesnt expresses the view of majority? Its like saying that football team is > supported only by some 50,000 people who managed to get on the stadium and > opposed by the rest of people. It would also mean that all who are too old > to go to demonstration, or live in distant places from Trafalgar square or > had to be at work when demonstration took place are always supporters of > every government's action. > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 00:47:20 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:47:20 -0000 Subject: [kj] OT: "the Sword of Islam" References: <200312152334.hBFNYMgt007910@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <003101c3c36e$2dc41570$4c48ff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C3C36E.29613080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT: "the Sword of Islam" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alex Smith=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: "the Sword of Islam" "The sword of islam wants us destroyed,Its war ,whose side are you on = ?" Peter, I have to say, this is sort've a ridiculous statement, with all = due respect. Reducing the entire faith of Islam to a simple cartoon is = not going to solve the problem. =20 I was making a statement not trying to give an answer Alex in NYC ---------- From:=20 "peter.west410" wrote: The sword of = islam wants us destroyed,Its war ,whose side are you on ? =20 It must be nice to live in such a simple world. Come and visit us, = we live in a very complex one. =20 =20 =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save =A380 when you order online today. = Hurry! Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to = be.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C3C36E.29613080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT: "the Sword of Islam"
 
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"The sword of islam wants us destroyed,Its war = ,whose=20 side are you on ?"

Peter, I have to say, this is sort've = a=20 ridiculous statement, with all due respect.  Reducing the entire = faith of=20 Islam to a simple cartoon is not going to solve the problem. =  
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It must be nice to live in = such a=20 simple world. Come and visit us, we live in a very complex=20 one.
 
 
 
 




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------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C3C36E.29613080-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 00:58:05 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (P) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:58:05 +0100 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <002301c3c36d$14eaa740$4c48ff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: yes, you convinced me. I became Cecil Rhodes and he speaks through me from the grave. Next step will be to apply for the post of foreign policy advisor for Tory Bliar > "On my way home I pondered over the scene and I became more than ever > convinced of the importance of imperialism . . . in order to save the 40 > million inhabitants of the United Kingdom from a bloody civil war we > colonial statesmen must acquire new lands to settle the surplus population, > to provide new markets for the goods produced in the factories and mines. > The Empire, as I have always said, is a bread and butter question. If you > want to avoid civil war, you must become imperialists." > > Cecil Rhodes, the coloniser of Zimbabwe and South Africa, 1895 > > You sent that in 1895 and its just gothere,bloody hell mate,you should change to Broadband From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 00:49:17 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mik Raven) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:49:17 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: Message-ID: <01ab01c3c36e$6f834a80$0200a8c0@Paulas> Most people cannot be bothered to turn out for demonstrations. They can not be taken as a general view. You have to feel very strongly to do it. If you don't, why bother? ----- Original Message ----- From: "P" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:49 AM Subject: RE: [kj] my tuppence worth > Good comparison of what view is in majority would be if there is a > demonstration for war and compare it with the demonstration against the war. > How many have been demonstrating for war? > 20 milion world-wide on 15th February 2003? No, at least 20 milion were > demonstrating against the war that day, (including South Pole station). > > -----Original Message----- > From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On > Behalf Of Mik Raven > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 1:31 AM > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > Funny how the minority dictate how the country's view are seen by the rest > of the world isn't it! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:26 AM > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > > > > > "To be honest, most people over here have no strong views one way or the > > other." > > > > I could have said exactly the same about Australians mate. > > > > -S > > > > "better to die on your feet than live on your knees" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mik Raven" @misera.net on 16/12/2003 11:21:19 > > > > Please respond to gathering@misera.net > > > > Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net > > > > > > To: > > cc: > > > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > > > Tony Blair did have the backing of his people. It's the silent majority > > like > > me who couldn't come up with any good reason not to get rid of an evil > > tyrannical dictator who backed him. So 1 million people felt strongly > > enough > > to march in London. 1 in 60 of the population. To be honest, most people > > over here have no strong views one way or the other. Just glad to be rid > of > > him. > > > > Another load of tosh from Mik > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:13 AM > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure, there's an element of vendetta in the George W approach to the > "war > > > on terrorism" as evidenced by the now infamous "Saddam tried to kill my > > > daddy" quote but Iraq was never a physical threat to the US. The US had > > > good economic reasons to go to war. There's no way George W could get > > the > > > backing of congress because his old man was threatened. > > > > > > Tony Blair, and indeed John Howard, acted hastily and without the > support > > > of their own people. Whether they were deliberately misled by the US > > will > > > remain unknown. > > > > > > Saddam needed removal but no country has the RIGHT to unilaterally > invade > > a > > > country to mould it's politics for it's own gain. I don't see the US, > UK > > & > > > Australia lining up to kick out Mugabe or Taylor. > > > > > > -S > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mik Raven" @misera.net on 16/12/2003 10:55:12 > > > > > > Please respond to gathering@misera.net > > > > > > Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net > > > > > > > > > To: > > > cc: > > > > > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > > > > > > Don't agree 100% there Scott. IMHO the war was the right thing to do but > > at > > > the wrong time and for the wrong reasons. I don't think it was about > oil. > > > GW > > > was doing what his dad didn't have the bottle to finish (which would > have > > > saved countless lives in hindsight). Tony Blair I believe did actually > > > think > > > that Saddam was a genuine threat. The fact he has not been proved > correct > > > does not change his reasons for going to war in the first place. It's > one > > > more dictator out of power.Slowly slowly, all fall down..... > > > > > > Mik > > > > > > Am I just talking total bollocks now :-) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:45 PM > > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd doubt the "anti-war brigade" have any great love for Saddam, and > many > > > rejoiced (rightfully) at the removal and capture of the mongrel > dictator. > > > > > > What stinks are the lies told by the US and her allies to justify his > > > removal. No doubt, Iraqis are better off without Saddam but the > invasion > > > of a country to remove it's leader for such obvious economic reasons > > under > > > the guise of humanitarianism is morally bankrupt. > > > > > > -S > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------- Forwarded by Scott Lambeth/CO/HIC on 16/12/2003 > > > 10:35 --------------------------- > > > > > > > > > "peter.west410" @misera.net on 16/12/2003 > > > 10:21:20 > > > > > > Please respond to gathering@misera.net > > > > > > Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net > > > > > > > > > To: > > > cc: > > > > > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Jelbod@aol.com > > > To: gathering@misera.net > > > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:04 PM > > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > > > In a message dated 15/12/03 10:43:22 Pacific Standard Time, > > > peter.west410@ntlworld.com writes: > > > > > > I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi symphathisers. > > > > > > > > > Mate you are so wrong, in England anti-war against iraq etc tend to be > > > Socialist workers party and extreme left wing affiliates. The jews will > > > never find favours amongst extremes whether it be left or right, just > the > > > general money making middle areas. > > > > > > the nazi sympathisers sympathised with adolf,and the anti war brigade > > > sympathise with saddam.saddam and adolf have roughly the same ideas ,so > > > quite simply i put 2+2 together.Both groups are against freedom and > > > support dictators. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************************************************************** > > > NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the > > > addressee named above and may contain privileged and > > > confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient > > > of this message you are hereby notified that you must not > > > disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you > > > received this message in error please notify HIC immediately. > > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > > > sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be > > > the views of HIC. > > > **************************************************************** > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gathering mailing list > > > Gathering@misera.net > > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gathering mailing list > > > Gathering@misera.net > > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gathering mailing list > > > Gathering@misera.net > > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 01:07:26 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (P) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 02:07:26 +0100 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <01a501c3c36e$3d9e28a0$0200a8c0@Paulas> Message-ID: "What a very strange view of the world! Are you saying that the US/UK are not trying to get Iraq back on it's feet to govern itself? Are you saying that the occupying force is as great an evil as Saddam? Maybe I'm mis reading your mail." >>>> you are not misreading my e-mail. US/UK is trying to get Iraq on its knees. Sitaution of Iraques is actually getting worse these days than under horrific rule of Sadam. The trade unions were threatened by US troops. The agricultural subsidies where taken away from farmer and this will lead to bankcruptcy of farming in Iraq and land will be all bought off by the west. Many demonstrators were killed by US/UK troops. (just examples, too late to write more indepth) The view of the majority of people I know was not against the war. I mix in a very general circle of people, not a like minded group so I feel I have the general feeling, but I could be wrong of course. >>>> Fair enough. I just thought that the argument about "only" milion demonstrating against the war was not applicable. ----- Original Message ----- From: "P" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:45 AM Subject: RE: [kj] my tuppence worth > ad) "Tony Blair did have the backing of his people. It's the silent majority > like > me who couldn't come up with any good reason not to get rid of an evil > tyrannical dictator who backed him." > > >>>> there is however a good reason why it shall be up to Iraque people to > get a rid of evil tyrannical dictator. So that the very evil tyrannical > dictator is not replaced by evil tyrannical dictatorship of occupant US/UK > allies, but by the will of Iraque people. Don't you think? > > ad) So 1 million people felt strongly enough > to march in London. 1 in 60 of the population. To be honest, most people > over here have no strong views one way or the other. Just glad to be rid of > him. > > >>>> So there must be more than 30milions on the demonstration otherwise it > doesnt expresses the view of majority? Its like saying that football team is > supported only by some 50,000 people who managed to get on the stadium and > opposed by the rest of people. It would also mean that all who are too old > to go to demonstration, or live in distant places from Trafalgar square or > had to be at work when demonstration took place are always supporters of > every government's action. > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 01:01:20 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mik Raven) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:01:20 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: Message-ID: <01fd01c3c370$1e607fe0$0200a8c0@Paulas> But the situation in general is just a temporary thing while the whole infrastructure of the country is rebuild. At least there are no longer thousands of innocents being tortured and killed by a corrupt and evil government. ----- Original Message ----- From: "P" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 1:07 AM Subject: RE: [kj] my tuppence worth > "What a very strange view of the world! Are you saying that the US/UK are > not > trying to get Iraq back on it's feet to govern itself? Are you saying that > the occupying force is as great an evil as Saddam? Maybe I'm mis reading > your mail." > > >>>> you are not misreading my e-mail. US/UK is trying to get Iraq on its > knees. Sitaution of Iraques is actually getting worse these days than under > horrific rule of Sadam. The trade unions were threatened by US troops. The > agricultural subsidies where taken away from farmer and this will lead to > bankcruptcy of farming in Iraq and land will be all bought off by the west. > Many demonstrators were killed by US/UK troops. (just examples, too late to > write more indepth) > > The view of the majority of people I know was not against the war. I mix in > a very general circle of people, not a like minded group so I feel I have > the general feeling, but I could be wrong of course. > > >>>> Fair enough. I just thought that the argument about "only" milion > demonstrating against the war was not applicable. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "P" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:45 AM > Subject: RE: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > ad) "Tony Blair did have the backing of his people. It's the silent > majority > > like > > me who couldn't come up with any good reason not to get rid of an evil > > tyrannical dictator who backed him." > > > > >>>> there is however a good reason why it shall be up to Iraque people to > > get a rid of evil tyrannical dictator. So that the very evil tyrannical > > dictator is not replaced by evil tyrannical dictatorship of occupant US/UK > > allies, but by the will of Iraque people. Don't you think? > > > > ad) So 1 million people felt strongly enough > > to march in London. 1 in 60 of the population. To be honest, most people > > over here have no strong views one way or the other. Just glad to be rid > of > > him. > > > > >>>> So there must be more than 30milions on the demonstration otherwise > it > > doesnt expresses the view of majority? Its like saying that football team > is > > supported only by some 50,000 people who managed to get on the stadium and > > opposed by the rest of people. It would also mean that all who are too old > > to go to demonstration, or live in distant places from Trafalgar square or > > had to be at work when demonstration took place are always supporters of > > every government's action. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 01:16:46 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (P) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 02:16:46 +0100 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <01ab01c3c36e$6f834a80$0200a8c0@Paulas> Message-ID: Yes, this was my point. Demonstration is always by minority and if it is huge, one can estimate that majority supports it one way or the other and didnot trun up for various reasons. many do not support either side, they just dont bother at all. just to add one point to previous mail: I still think that it would be easier for Iraques themselves to get a rid of Sadam whose regime was in disintegration already than to get a rid of very well equiped US/UK occupation troops. that is more important point than whether under Sadam it was a bit better or worse than now. because the issue is liberation of Iraques. -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of Mik Raven Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 1:49 AM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Most people cannot be bothered to turn out for demonstrations. They can not be taken as a general view. You have to feel very strongly to do it. If you don't, why bother? ----- Original Message ----- From: "P" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:49 AM Subject: RE: [kj] my tuppence worth > Good comparison of what view is in majority would be if there is a > demonstration for war and compare it with the demonstration against the war. > How many have been demonstrating for war? > 20 milion world-wide on 15th February 2003? No, at least 20 milion were > demonstrating against the war that day, (including South Pole station). > > -----Original Message----- > From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On > Behalf Of Mik Raven > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 1:31 AM > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > Funny how the minority dictate how the country's view are seen by the rest > of the world isn't it! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:26 AM > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > > > > > "To be honest, most people over here have no strong views one way or the > > other." > > > > I could have said exactly the same about Australians mate. > > > > -S > > > > "better to die on your feet than live on your knees" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mik Raven" @misera.net on 16/12/2003 11:21:19 > > > > Please respond to gathering@misera.net > > > > Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net > > > > > > To: > > cc: > > > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > > > Tony Blair did have the backing of his people. It's the silent majority > > like > > me who couldn't come up with any good reason not to get rid of an evil > > tyrannical dictator who backed him. So 1 million people felt strongly > > enough > > to march in London. 1 in 60 of the population. To be honest, most people > > over here have no strong views one way or the other. Just glad to be rid > of > > him. > > > > Another load of tosh from Mik > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:13 AM > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure, there's an element of vendetta in the George W approach to the > "war > > > on terrorism" as evidenced by the now infamous "Saddam tried to kill my > > > daddy" quote but Iraq was never a physical threat to the US. The US had > > > good economic reasons to go to war. There's no way George W could get > > the > > > backing of congress because his old man was threatened. > > > > > > Tony Blair, and indeed John Howard, acted hastily and without the > support > > > of their own people. Whether they were deliberately misled by the US > > will > > > remain unknown. > > > > > > Saddam needed removal but no country has the RIGHT to unilaterally > invade > > a > > > country to mould it's politics for it's own gain. I don't see the US, > UK > > & > > > Australia lining up to kick out Mugabe or Taylor. > > > > > > -S > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mik Raven" @misera.net on 16/12/2003 10:55:12 > > > > > > Please respond to gathering@misera.net > > > > > > Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net > > > > > > > > > To: > > > cc: > > > > > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > > > > > > Don't agree 100% there Scott. IMHO the war was the right thing to do but > > at > > > the wrong time and for the wrong reasons. I don't think it was about > oil. > > > GW > > > was doing what his dad didn't have the bottle to finish (which would > have > > > saved countless lives in hindsight). Tony Blair I believe did actually > > > think > > > that Saddam was a genuine threat. The fact he has not been proved > correct > > > does not change his reasons for going to war in the first place. It's > one > > > more dictator out of power.Slowly slowly, all fall down..... > > > > > > Mik > > > > > > Am I just talking total bollocks now :-) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:45 PM > > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd doubt the "anti-war brigade" have any great love for Saddam, and > many > > > rejoiced (rightfully) at the removal and capture of the mongrel > dictator. > > > > > > What stinks are the lies told by the US and her allies to justify his > > > removal. No doubt, Iraqis are better off without Saddam but the > invasion > > > of a country to remove it's leader for such obvious economic reasons > > under > > > the guise of humanitarianism is morally bankrupt. > > > > > > -S > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------- Forwarded by Scott Lambeth/CO/HIC on 16/12/2003 > > > 10:35 --------------------------- > > > > > > > > > "peter.west410" @misera.net on 16/12/2003 > > > 10:21:20 > > > > > > Please respond to gathering@misera.net > > > > > > Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net > > > > > > > > > To: > > > cc: > > > > > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Jelbod@aol.com > > > To: gathering@misera.net > > > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:04 PM > > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > > > In a message dated 15/12/03 10:43:22 Pacific Standard Time, > > > peter.west410@ntlworld.com writes: > > > > > > I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi symphathisers. > > > > > > > > > Mate you are so wrong, in England anti-war against iraq etc tend to be > > > Socialist workers party and extreme left wing affiliates. The jews will > > > never find favours amongst extremes whether it be left or right, just > the > > > general money making middle areas. > > > > > > the nazi sympathisers sympathised with adolf,and the anti war brigade > > > sympathise with saddam.saddam and adolf have roughly the same ideas ,so > > > quite simply i put 2+2 together.Both groups are against freedom and > > > support dictators. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************************************************************** > > > NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the > > > addressee named above and may contain privileged and > > > confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient > > > of this message you are hereby notified that you must not > > > disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you > > > received this message in error please notify HIC immediately. > > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > > > sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be > > > the views of HIC. > > > **************************************************************** > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gathering mailing list > > > Gathering@misera.net > > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gathering mailing list > > > Gathering@misera.net > > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gathering mailing list > > > Gathering@misera.net > > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 01:23:40 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (P) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 02:23:40 +0100 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <01fd01c3c370$1e607fe0$0200a8c0@Paulas> Message-ID: Are you sure? There were no tortured innocents under Sadam until first gulf war ....in western media (in reality there were many), until Sadam became suddenly portrayed as new Hitler. [UK has delivered weapons to him shortly before Gulf War... would UK sell the weapons to new Hitler? would UK sell new Hitler a chemical weapons technology to new Hitler? They learned about the use of chemical weapons against Kurds only years later?] "But the situation in general is just a temporary thing while the whole infrastructure of the country is rebuild. At least there are no longer thousands of innocents being tortured and killed by a corrupt and evil government." From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 01:19:57 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mik Raven) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:19:57 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: Message-ID: <022801c3c372$b84dcb60$0200a8c0@Paulas> I was once young an innocent and believed western capitalist society to be corrupt and wrong. Age has given me a certain perspective. Yes it's not perfect, but nobody has come up with a better solution. Therefore I'll accept it as a good world for my granddaughter to grow up in. Warts and all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "P" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 1:23 AM Subject: RE: [kj] my tuppence worth > Are you sure? > > There were no tortured innocents under Sadam until first gulf war > ....in western media (in reality there were many), until Sadam became > suddenly portrayed as new Hitler. > > [UK has delivered weapons to him shortly before Gulf War... would UK sell > the weapons to new Hitler? would UK sell new Hitler a chemical weapons > technology to new Hitler? They learned about the use of chemical weapons > against Kurds only years later?] > > > "But the situation in general is just a temporary thing while the whole > infrastructure of the country is rebuild. At least there are no longer > thousands of innocents being tortured and killed by a corrupt and evil > government." > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 01:21:56 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:21:56 -0500 Subject: [kj] the west's new atv playground Message-ID: <3FDE17E4.23615.2CCC47A@localhost> <<<>>>>> speaking of westerners buying up desert, anyone see the new four wheeler add on US tv featuring helmeted diablos zipping over sand dunes to an arabesque soundtrack ? more grooming of the pssyche From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 01:30:52 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:30:52 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: Message-ID: <000f01c3c374$40baea40$4c48ff3e@yourby3nr533ht> ----- Original Message ----- From: "P" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 1:23 AM Subject: RE: [kj] my tuppence worth > Are you sure? > > There were no tortured innocents under Sadam until first gulf war > ....in western media (in reality there were many), until Sadam became > suddenly portrayed as new Hitler. > > [UK has delivered weapons to him shortly before Gulf War... would UK sell > the weapons to new Hitler? would UK sell new Hitler a chemical weapons > technology to new Hitler? They learned about the use of chemical weapons > against Kurds only years later?] > yes we sold weapons to argentina ,who used them against us,In the 80s in the iran war,school kids were sent across minefields to clear them,with the information ,they ed go straight to heaven > What next ,Hitler had two bollocks? Bin laden s missunderstood? carlos wasnt a jackal > "But the situation in general is just a temporary thing while the whole > infrastructure of the country is rebuild. At least there are no longer > thousands of innocents being tortured and killed by a corrupt and evil > government." > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 02:18:20 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:18:20 -0600 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/15/03 5:45 PM, "scott.lambeth@hic.gov.au" wrote: > > I'd doubt the "anti-war brigade" have any great love for Saddam, and many > rejoiced (rightfully) at the removal and capture of the mongrel dictator. > > What stinks are the lies told by the US and her allies to justify his > removal. No doubt, Iraqis are better off without Saddam but the invasion > of a country to remove it's leader for such obvious economic reasons under > the guise of humanitarianism is morally bankrupt. > > -S Scott, you just hit the nail on the fucking head...HARD...fucking brilliant, and summed it up in just a few lines. KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 02:25:14 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (sade1) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:25:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <000d01c3c368$337de690$a66cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: <20031216022514.27770.qmail@web11510.mail.yahoo.com> "peter.west410" we sold them the weapons aswell,I see nothing at all wrong with that S: we gave him the chemo-weps, taught him how to gas his own, and went on location to make sure he did it right. I see nothing at all wrong with that S: Huh?! "P" How many have been demonstrating for war? S: There’s nothing lamer to watch than a pro-war rally, usually full of all sorts of ‘regressive’ types, with obvious authoritarian, domination/submission issues, wimpering along with 1/10th of a real activists’ feeling,, but they always have that vengeful, confrontational look on their faces. "Mik Raven" there are no longer thousands of innocents being tortured and killed by a corrupt and evil government. S: True true, but I think that now what violence there is is much more random/unpredictable as the place has become pretty much a free for all, with people (women specially) afraid to even leave the house now. In the past,as ruthless as it was, as long as you knew what families are connected, what families are not to be pissed off, who not to associate with, or knew who’s ass to kiss, and as long as you weren’t stupid enough to actually think that you can trust even a relative with a secret, and then actually tell’em, your chances of ‘being selected’ were pretty much reduced and in a somewhat) logical manner, relatively speaking. Saul --- "peter.west410" wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: GregSlawson@aol.com > To: gathering@misera.net > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:40 PM > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > I guess you forgot that the US installed Hussein... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 02:32:43 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mik Raven) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 02:32:43 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: <20031216022514.27770.qmail@web11510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <026301c3c37c$e347cb40$0200a8c0@Paulas> Hm. So it was better under Saddam? I think not. OK so it's western journalism, but jut look at the pictures on the TV when they knew Saddam was captured. Don't know what Al Jazera broadcast though. Were they as happy? > S: True true, but I think that now what violence there is > is much more random/unpredictable as the place has become > pretty much a free for all, with people (women specially) > afraid to even leave the house now. > In the past,as ruthless as it was, as long as you knew > what families are connected, what families are not to be > pissed off, who not to associate with, or knew who's ass > to kiss, and as long as you weren't stupid enough to > actually think that you can trust even a relative with a > secret, and then actually tell'em, your chances of 'being > selected' were pretty much reduced and in a somewhat) > logical manner, relatively speaking. From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 02:52:32 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (sade1) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:52:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <026301c3c37c$e347cb40$0200a8c0@Paulas> Message-ID: <20031216025232.32959.qmail@web11510.mail.yahoo.com> --- Mik Raven wrote: > Hm. So it was better under Saddam? I think not. S: No, I know not. I agree. The past was murderous beyond even the scale of post-war life. How many mass graves are there, and those still to be found? How many mangled lives are now out there hurting, really hurting, and plenty ready to carry out, support or maybe just condone future cycles of same? But in the past, you'd know who the tigers, piranha and sharks were(tho tenuously) and maybe sidestep'em or kiss their ass to stay alive and get back home and see your kids again. "Suffering and pain crystallised in a brain that recreates the process again... Sickened by my self-flagellation but I don't know how to stop.." routine truths... S > > S: True true, but I think that now what violence there > is > > is much more random/unpredictable as the place has > become > > pretty much a free for all, with people (women > specially) > > afraid to even leave the house now. > > In the past,as ruthless as it was, as long as you > knew > > what families are connected, what families are not to > be > > pissed off, who not to associate with, or knew who's > ass > > to kiss, and as long as you weren't stupid enough to > > actually think that you can trust even a relative > with a > > secret, and then actually tell'em, your chances of > 'being > > selected' were pretty much reduced and in a somewhat) > > logical manner, relatively speaking. > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 04:09:33 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:09:33 EST Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <90.4050615c.2d0fdf7d@aol.com> --part1_90.4050615c.2d0fdf7d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit True about the "only" 1 million demonstrators--I know dozens and dozens of people in the US who didn't go demonstrate in Washington or NYC, but were also strongly against the war. Not everyone likes long bus rides. --part1_90.4050615c.2d0fdf7d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable True about the "only" 1 million dem= onstrators--I know dozens and dozens of people in the US who didn't go demon= strate in Washington or NYC, but were also strongly against the war. Not eve= ryone likes long bus rides. --part1_90.4050615c.2d0fdf7d_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 04:13:53 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:13:53 EST Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <11d.2942b9dc.2d0fe081@aol.com> --part1_11d.2942b9dc.2d0fe081_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The US/UK have a long, bloody history of installing and supporting brutal dictators all over the world. Haiti, Indonesia, Chile, Turkey, a slew of countries in Latin America and Africa, and I know I'm missing many other examples. --part1_11d.2942b9dc.2d0fe081_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The US/UK have a long, bloody histo= ry of installing and supporting brutal dictators all over the world. Haiti,=20= Indonesia, Chile, Turkey, a slew of countries in Latin America and Africa, a= nd I know I'm missing many other examples. --part1_11d.2942b9dc.2d0fe081_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 04:17:46 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:17:46 EST Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <1d6.1692e7ce.2d0fe16a@aol.com> --part1_1d6.1692e7ce.2d0fe16a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Once again, the US propped up Saddam for much of the time he was killing his people. Also, the US sanctions during the 90s killed 1.5 million people--so much for a "temporary" problem. --part1_1d6.1692e7ce.2d0fe16a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Once again, the US propped up Sadda= m for much of the time he was killing his people. Also, the US sanctions dur= ing the 90s killed 1.5 million people--so much for a "temporary" problem. --part1_1d6.1692e7ce.2d0fe16a_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 05:33:14 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dave Axford) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:33:14 -0500 Subject: [kj] "Congrats Mr. Bush" Message-ID: <00ff01c3c396$1a3f4290$826f8a3f@Joker> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FC_01C3C36C.314A40E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ...So, several months ago the Bush Admin basically stated "If your = country is with us and will participate with the war in Iraq, then we = will consider allowing your country (and it's businesses) to help = rebuild/improve the infrastructure of Iraq after the fact..." Shortly after the arrest of Saddam, both the governments of France and = Germany made statements congratulating the Bush administration on = capturing Saddam and promptly got in line, offering their country's = services in rebuilding Iraq (Canada was no different by the way). It would seem, whether or not your country was a 'flag waver' or a 'flag = burner' in regards to the war in Iraq, it all seems to come down to = making money and preserving the staus quo in the end, doesn't it? Government policy can metamorphose in a heartbeat. Regardless of what = YOU may think or what THEY have professed that they believe in, this is = the reality of our world, whether you like it or not. ...It can make you a little crazy at times. Dave ------=_NextPart_000_00FC_01C3C36C.314A40E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
...So, several months ago the Bush Admin = basically stated=20 "If your country is with us and will participate with the = war in=20 Iraq, then we will consider allowing your country (and it's=20 businesses) to help rebuild/improve the infrastructure of = Iraq after=20 the fact..."
 
Shortly after the arrest of Saddam, both the = governments=20 of France and Germany made statements congratulating the Bush = administration on=20 capturing Saddam and promptly got in line, offering their country's = services in=20 rebuilding Iraq (Canada was no different by the way).
 
It would seem, whether or not your = country was a=20 'flag waver' or a 'flag burner' in regards to the war in Iraq, it all = seems to=20 come down to making money and preserving the staus quo in the=20 end, doesn't it?
 
Government policy can metamorphose in a=20 heartbeat. Regardless of what YOU may think or what THEY=20 have professed that they believe in, this is the reality=20 of our world, whether you  like it or not.
 
...It can make you a little crazy at = times.
 
Dave
 
------=_NextPart_000_00FC_01C3C36C.314A40E0-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 06:38:15 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Thomas Kennedy) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:38:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] "Congrats Mr. Bush" In-Reply-To: <00ff01c3c396$1a3f4290$826f8a3f@Joker> Message-ID: <20031216063815.48372.qmail@web80401.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1500011432-1071556695=:45063 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I actually commended the (mostly) European opposition to the US invasion of Iraq. It demonstrates those nations integrity in upholding international law. By turning an about-face now that the bad guy's gone certainly diminishes that.... (sort of like the members of DK getting back together without Jello and, uh, yeah..........ah, forget it!) : ) Tom (who's brain is fried after completing a 20-page research paper). Dave Axford wrote: ...So, several months ago the Bush Admin basically stated "If your country is with us and will participate with the war in Iraq, then we will consider allowing your country (and it's businesses) to help rebuild/improve the infrastructure of Iraq after the fact..." Shortly after the arrest of Saddam, both the governments of France and Germany made statements congratulating the Bush administration on capturing Saddam and promptly got in line, offering their country's services in rebuilding Iraq (Canada was no different by the way). It would seem, whether or not your country was a 'flag waver' or a 'flag burner' in regards to the war in Iraq, it all seems to come down to making money and preserving the staus quo in the end, doesn't it? Government policy can metamorphose in a heartbeat. Regardless of what YOU may think or what THEY have professed that they believe in, this is the reality of our world, whether you like it or not. ...It can make you a little crazy at times. Dave --0-1500011432-1071556695=:45063 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I actually commended the (mostly) European opposition to the US invasion of Iraq.  It demonstrates those nations integrity in upholding international law.  By turning an about-face now that the bad guy's gone certainly diminishes that....
 
(sort of like the members of DK getting back together without Jello and, uh, yeah..........ah, forget it!)  : )
 
Tom (who's brain is fried after completing a 20-page research paper).
 


Dave Axford <daxford@rogers.com> wrote:
...So, several months ago the Bush Admin basically stated "If your country is with us and will participate with the war in Iraq, then we will consider allowing your country (and it's businesses) to help rebuild/improve the infrastructure of Iraq after the fact..."
 
Shortly after the arrest of Saddam, both the governments of France and Germany made statements congratulating the Bush administration on capturing Saddam and promptly got in line, offering their country's services in rebuilding Iraq (Canada was no different by the way).
 
It would seem, whether or not your country was a 'flag waver' or a 'flag burner' in regards to the war in Iraq, it all seems to come down to making money and preserving the staus quo in the end, doesn't it?
 
Government policy can metamorphose in a heartbeat. Regardless of what YOU may think or what THEY have professed that they believe in, this is the reality of our world, whether you  like it or not.
 
...It can make you a little crazy at times.
 
Dave
 
--0-1500011432-1071556695=:45063-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 08:17:43 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Lucy Cornwell) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:17:43 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <1ca.160f9aad.2d0f89f4@aol.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C3C3AD.14912180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Erm I am anti war and I don't consider myself a Nazi sympathiser, socialist or extremely left wing. -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of Jelbod@aol.com Sent: 15 December 2003 22:05 To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth In a message dated 15/12/03 10:43:22 Pacific Standard Time, peter.west410@ntlworld.com writes: I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi symphathisers. Mate you are so wrong, in England anti-war against iraq etc tend to be Socialist workers party and extreme left wing affiliates. The jews will never find favours amongst extremes whether it be left or right, just the general money making middle areas. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C3C3AD.14912180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Erm I=20 am anti war and I don't consider myself a Nazi sympathiser, socialist or = extremely left wing.
-----Original Message-----
From: = gathering-admin@misera.net=20 [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of=20 Jelbod@aol.com
Sent: 15 December 2003 = 22:05
To:=20 gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence=20 worth

In a message dated = 15/12/03 10:43:22=20 Pacific Standard Time, peter.west410@ntlworld.com writes:

I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi=20 symphathisers.


   Mate you are so = wrong, in=20 England anti-war against iraq etc tend to be Socialist workers party = and=20 extreme left wing affiliates. The jews will never find favours amongst = extremes whether it be left or right, just the general money making = middle=20 areas.
------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C3C3AD.14912180-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 08:17:46 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Lucy Cornwell) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:17:46 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <001101c3c362$386ceda0$a66cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C3C3AD.15F915F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I also don't sympathise with Saddam I questioned the reasons we were being given for going to war i.e. wmd because they were bull -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of peter.west410 Sent: 15 December 2003 23:21 To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth ----- Original Message ----- From: Jelbod@aol.com To: gathering@misera.net Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth In a message dated 15/12/03 10:43:22 Pacific Standard Time, peter.west410@ntlworld.com writes: I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi symphathisers. Mate you are so wrong, in England anti-war against iraq etc tend to be Socialist workers party and extreme left wing affiliates. The jews will never find favours amongst extremes whether it be left or right, just the general money making middle areas. the nazi sympathisers sympathised with adolf,and the anti war brigade sympathise with saddam.saddam and adolf have roughly the same ideas ,so quite simply i put 2+2 together.Both groups are against freedom and support dictators. ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C3C3AD.15F915F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I also=20 don't sympathise with Saddam I questioned the reasons we were being = given for=20 going to war i.e. wmd because they were bull
-----Original Message-----
From: = gathering-admin@misera.net=20 [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of=20 peter.west410
Sent: 15 December 2003 23:21
To: = gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence=20 worth

 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jelbod@aol.com=20
Sent: Monday, December 15, = 2003 10:04=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence = worth

In a message dated 15/12/03 = 10:43:22 Pacific=20 Standard Time, peter.west410@ntlworld.com= =20 writes:

I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi=20 symphathisers.


   Mate you are so wrong, in England = anti-war=20 against iraq etc tend to be Socialist workers party and extreme left = wing=20 affiliates. The jews will never find favours amongst extremes whether it be left or right, just the = general money=20 making middle areas.
 
the nazi sympathisers sympathised with adolf,and = the anti=20 war brigade sympathise with saddam.saddam and adolf have roughly the = same=20 ideas ,so quite simply i = put 2+2=20 together.Both groups are against freedom and support=20 = dictators.
------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C3C3AD.15F915F0-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 08:25:15 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Rob's Arse) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:25:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <20031216082515.C13F1726A@sitemail.everyone.net> To my mind, Israel is one of the dirtiest, most murdering nations on the face of this earth. Murderers in uniforms. --- "peter.west410" wrote: Israel is our allie,When the next big war comes,the west needs someone in the middle east,Israel.One day Israels nuclear bombs might be protecting us, remember in 1981 when israel bombed Iraqs nuclear facility,the whole world condemed israel.maybe we should thank them now. how can anybody be opposed against the Iraq war,When saddams thugs brutalised people like us.I hear you say the war was about oil.question;What do you put in your car.what heats your house.Yes oil .guess where it comes from. The sword of islam wants us destroyed,Its war ,whose side are you on ? I put the anti war brigade in the same boat as nazi symphathisers. _____________________________________________________________ Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of worldmap.com) From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 08:56:23 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 02:56:23 -0600 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <20031216082515.C13F1726A@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: On 12/16/03 2:25 AM, "Rob's Arse" wrote: > To my mind, Israel is one of the dirtiest, most murdering nations on the = face > of this earth. Murderers in uniforms. Your not the only one who feels that way brother. **Insert sarcastic comment =3D=3D> Of course, according to Pat, we don=B9t live i= n Israel, so we don=B9t have a clue as to what really is going on, and are just taking the easy way out, and making uneducated comments on something we really don=B9t care about. KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 09:30:20 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:30:20 +0100 Subject: [kj] the west's new atv playground Message-ID: <48e71e48f90d.48f90d48e71e@iol.cz> I have never been to Iraq, but as far as I know it is located at Eufrat-Tigris area where ancient Mesopotamia was and it was (at the time) very developed agricultural society. So I doubt that Iraq is just a dessert. Dessert can be majority of Iraq's area, but Iraq is quite large country for a population of merely 20-25 milion people. PAVEL > speaking of westerners buying up desert, From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 09:42:32 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:42:32 +0100 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <494c7a494d4a.494d4a494c7a@iol.cz> I have opposite experience. I believed in "western capitalism" before I actually lived in it. 14 years of life under capitalism however changed my mind completely. and the older I am the more I am convinced that capitalism leads world towards catastrophe. > I was once young an innocent and believed > western capitalist society to be > corrupt and wrong. Age has given me a > certain perspective. First of all this could have been said about ancient slave societies too at the time. Secondly, why do you think nobody came up with a better solution? And most importantly the evolution of society doesnt depend so much on what ideas some people come up in their minds as on the economic development. and there is no single society that is forever, each society has its period ascendancy, prosperity and decay in this order and then it is replaced by other society on higher level... and this evolution is driven by social contradictions. (If what we see now is not a decay of current society then what such a decay would be like?) I just hope that capitalism will be replaced by more human and more developed society, not by destruction of human civilisation as such. Yes it's not > perfect, but nobody has come up with a > better solution. From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 12:28:03 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (JOKERS PUB CAFE) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:28:03 -0200 Subject: [kj] Killing Joke:Portland, Oregon 2003 References: <20031215193746.5992.qmail@web20412.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000101c3c3d0$bfbc2be0$eeceddc8@o7l3j2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C3C3BF.49ADC280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Where can I download it???? all the best diaz ----- Original Message -----=20 From: parasikon=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:37 PM Subject: [kj] Killing Joke:Portland, Oregon 2003 Anybody else been giving this show a listen?I've downloaded most of = the tracks and i've enjoyed hearing it.I'm impressed with how talkative = Jaz seems to be inbetween songs.What's considered to be some of the best = shows/recordings out there from this tour? -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? 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Where can I download = it????
 
all the best
 
diaz
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 parasikon=20
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 = 5:37=20 PM
Subject: [kj] Killing = Joke:Portland,=20 Oregon 2003

Anybody else been giving this show a listen?I've downloaded = most of=20 the tracks and i've enjoyed hearing it.I'm impressed with how = talkative Jaz=20 seems to be inbetween songs.What's considered to be some of the best=20 shows/recordings out there from this tour?

Do you Yahoo!?
= Free=20 Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C3C3BF.49ADC280-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 13:53:49 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:53:49 -0500 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <002d01c3c351$8dea84b0$a3086851@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: Wasnt this list a Killing Joke mailing list....I must have signed up for Politics 101 instead............... "The information in this e-mail and any attachments to it are confidential. The contents may not be copied or used by anyone other than the addressee and must not be further disclosed without our permission. If you have received this e-mail by mistake, please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail and any attachments to it from your systems. Warning: Although the company has taken reasonable precautions to ensure no viruses are present in this e-mail, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this e-mail or any attachments to it." From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 14:01:52 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:01:52 -0600 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/16/03 7:53 AM, "matt_hawes@linpacmh.com" wrote: > Wasnt this list a Killing Joke mailing list....I must have signed up for > Politics 101 instead............... >=20 >=20 >=20 That=B9s funny... Perhaps you should listen to the words of the new album. I think then, you will be able to better understand the mindset of the true Joke fan, and why things like this are discussed on this list. KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 14:18:51 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:18:51 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: Message-ID: <000f01c3c3df$9cf59790$b16cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jester" To: "Gathering" Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth On 12/16/03 7:53 AM, "matt_hawes@linpacmh.com" wrote: > Wasnt this list a Killing Joke mailing list....I must have signed up for > Politics 101 instead............... > > > Thatąs funny... Perhaps you should listen to the words of the new album. I think then, you will be able to better understand the mindset of the true Joke fan, and why things like this are discussed on this list. Do tell"the mindset of a true killing joke fan" I want to see if i fit the criteria KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 14:24:43 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:24:43 -0600 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <000f01c3c3df$9cf59790$b16cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: On 12/16/03 8:18 AM, "peter.west410" wrote: > Do tell"the mindset of a true killing joke fan" I want to see if i fit th= e > criteria You don=B9t... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 14:27:52 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Cliff and Kara Livingston) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:27:52 -0900 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth of ass References: Message-ID: <018f01c3c3e0$d1536520$328b70d1@antifrz> please end this goddamn thread,and the fucking saddam one is dead as dead.Enuf fricken OT to sink a shit. Unfun Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jester" To: "Gathering" Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:24 AM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth On 12/16/03 8:18 AM, "peter.west410" wrote: > Do tell"the mindset of a true killing joke fan" I want to see if i fit the > criteria You donąt... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 14:33:04 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:33:04 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: Message-ID: <000d01c3c3e1$8fd73710$b16cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jester" To: "Gathering" Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth On 12/16/03 8:18 AM, "peter.west410" wrote: > Do tell"the mindset of a true killing joke fan" I want to see if i fit the > criteria You donąt... I have an open mind and think for myself.I dont need a lyric sheet to form opinions."follow the leaders"thats what jaz said you must do isnt it? KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 14:35:22 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:35:22 -0500 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <200312161436.hBGEa0gt025522@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154412122_22032_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit "I think you re the one out of touch" You decry name-calling, then go right in for in for the cheap shots, don't you. For a start, I work at the newsdesk of a major news-weekly magazine and am well aware of the conditions in foreign nations. My point was that for you to come away from supposedly visiting another region of the globe, yet still you harbour the same idiotic party-line is stupefying to me. You might as well have never left your couch. Alex in NYC ---------- From: "peter.west410" To: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:33 PM ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Smith To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth "Poor Sap" is *hardly* name-calling on this list. Trust me. "i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen it first hand" I find it STAGGERINGLY hard to believe and exceptionally depressing that you could spend any time in that region yet still come away with such a blinkered, jingoistic, narrow point of view. Alex in NYC then you should go to the arab countries,and see normal people terrorized by the state,see the religious police butalising people ,see the women not allowed to drive .education forbidden,walking three steps behind their man.I think you re the one out of touch ---------- From: "peter.west410" > To: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:07 PM ----- Original Message ----- From: GregSlawson@aol.com To: gathering@misera.net Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth I guess the media is successful in convincing some poor saps to believe their pro-war propoganda and hypocracy. Halliburton, Exxon-Mobile, etc. are laughing all the way to the bank (which they probably own, anyway). You can tell when people lose an argument,they resort to petty name calling PS i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen it first hand --MS_Mac_OE_3154412122_22032_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
"I think you re the one out of touch"

You decry name-calling, then go right in for in for the cheap shots,= don't you. For a start, I work at the newsdesk of a major news-weekly magaz= ine and am well aware of the conditions in foreign nations. My point was tha= t for you to come away from supposedly visiting another region of the globe,= yet still you harbour the same idiotic party-line is stupefying to me. You = might as well have never left your couch.

Alex in NYC


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From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:33 PM


 
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Smith <mailto:vassifer@earthl= ink.net>  
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>  ; gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth


"Poor Sap" is *hardly* name-calling on this list. Trust me.

"i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen i= t first hand"

I find it STAGGERINGLY hard to believe and exceptionally depressing =  that you could spend any time in that region yet still come away with = such a blinkered, jingoistic, narrow point of view.

Alex in NYC
then you should go to the arab countries,and see normal peop= le terrorized by the state,see the religious police butalising people ,see t= he women not allowed to drive .education forbidden,walking three steps behin= d their man.I think you re the one out of touch


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From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410@= ntlworld.com <mailto:peter.west410@nt= lworld.com> >
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:07 PM



----- Original Message -----
From: GregSlawson@aol.com <mailto:GregSlawson@aol.com>  
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>  
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth

I guess the media is = successful in convincing some poor saps to believe their pro-war propoganda = and hypocracy. Halliburton, Exxon-Mobile, etc. are laughing all the way to t= he bank (which they probably own, anyway).
 
You can tell when people lose an argument,they resort to pet= ty name calling
PS  i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen it first hand=


--MS_Mac_OE_3154412122_22032_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 14:40:59 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:40:59 -0500 Subject: [kj] the west's new atv playground Message-ID: <200312161440.hBGEejgt009904@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Iraq as solely dessert is a major misconception. Alex in NYC ---------- >From: >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] the west's new atv playground >Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 4:30 AM > >I have never been to Iraq, but as far as I know it is located at >Eufrat-Tigris area where ancient Mesopotamia was and it was (at the time) >very developed agricultural society. So I doubt that Iraq is just a >dessert. Dessert can be majority of Iraq's area, but Iraq is quite large >country for a population of merely 20-25 milion people. > >PAVEL > >> speaking of westerners buying up desert, > > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 14:41:15 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (wardance) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:41:15 +0100 Subject: [kj] PARALLAX 1 interview on WARDANCE.NET ! Message-ID: <005a01c3c3e2$a8dae990$91cffea9@Wehrwolf> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C3C3EB.0A439D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, A brandnew PARALLAX 1 interview with Cliff & Kara has just been put = online ! (both in english & french versions) Check it now on my website : www.wardance.net Thanks & cheers ! Kind regards & dark lycanthropunk greetings... Hans Wehrwolf WARDANCE B.P. 10102 35701 RENNES Cedex 7 FRANCE Fax : +33 (0) 2.99.38.27.34 Website : www.wardance.net ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C3C3EB.0A439D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all,
A brandnew PARALLAX 1 interview with = Cliff &=20 Kara has just been put online ! (both in english & french=20 versions)
Check it now on my website :  www.wardance.net
Thanks & cheers !
 
Kind regards & dark lycanthropunk=20 greetings...
 
Hans Wehrwolf
 
 
WARDANCE
B.P.  = 10102
35701  RENNES=20 Cedex 7
FRANCE
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C3C3EB.0A439D00-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 14:43:51 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:43:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <2502186.1071585831374.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> >From the latest mail out from Michael Moore: "Thank God Saddam is finally back in American hands! He must have really missed us. Man, he sure looked bad! But, at least he got a free dental exam today. That's something most Americans can't get." Made me chuckle anyway N > from: Alex Smith > date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:35:22 > to: gathering@misera.net, gathering@misera.net > subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > "I think you re the one out of touch" > > You decry name-calling, then go right in for in for the cheap shots, don't > you. For a start, I work at the newsdesk of a major news-weekly magazine and > am well aware of the conditions in foreign nations. My point was that for > you to come away from supposedly visiting another region of the globe, yet > still you harbour the same idiotic party-line is stupefying to me. You might > as well have never left your couch. > > Alex in NYC > > > ---------- > From: "peter.west410" > To: > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:33 PM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alex Smith > To: gathering@misera.net ; > gathering@misera.net > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:15 AM > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > "Poor Sap" is *hardly* name-calling on this list. Trust me. > > "i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen it first hand" > > I find it STAGGERINGLY hard to believe and exceptionally depressing that > you could spend any time in that region yet still come away with such a > blinkered, jingoistic, narrow point of view. > > -- 'Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum' -- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 14:34:47 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Leigh Newton) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:34:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031216143447.96591.qmail@web10406.mail.yahoo.com> ohhhhhh come on, guys! enough with all this bickering back and forth. let's all just squash it over a game or 10 of Mario Kart, waddaya say? pals? --- Jester wrote: > On 12/16/03 8:18 AM, "peter.west410" > wrote: > > > Do tell"the mindset of a true killing joke fan" I > want to see if i fit the > > criteria > > > You donąt... > > > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! > OCCISIO LOCATIO > > THE WEBMASTER, > JESTER > WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM > WWW.PARALLAX1.COM > > There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > > "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we > have for Windows or > Gates?" > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ===== http://www.daiquiri.tvheaven.com http://www.tweek.tvheaven.com http://www.mp3.com/tweek http://www.mp3.com/green_lung __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 14:36:40 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:36:40 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: "the Sword of Islam" Message-ID: <200312161436.hBGEa0gv025522@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154412200_26743_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable And it's your ridiculous statement I was taking exception to. Alex in NYC ---------- From: "peter.west410" To: Subject: Re: [kj] OT: "the Sword of Islam" Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:47 PM ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Smith To: gathering@misera.net Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: "the Sword of Islam" "The sword of islam wants us destroyed,Its war ,whose side are you on ?" Peter, I have to say, this is sort've a ridiculous statement, with all due respect. Reducing the entire faith of Islam to a simple cartoon is not going to solve the problem. I was making a statement not trying to give an answer Alex in NYC ---------- From: "peter.west410" > wrote: The sword of islam wants us destroyed,Its war ,whose side are you on ? It must be nice to live in such a simple world. Come and visit us, we live in a very complex one. BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save =A380 when you order online today. Hurry! Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be. --MS_Mac_OE_3154412200_26743_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT: "the Sword of Islam"
And it's your ridiculous statement I was taking exception to.

Alex in NYC


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From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: "the Sword of Islam"
Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:47 PM


 
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Smith <mailto:vassifer@earthl= ink.net>  
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>  
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: "the Sword of Islam"


"The sword of islam wants us destroyed,Its war ,whose s= ide are you on ?"

Peter, I have to say, this is sort've a ridiculous statement, with all due = respect.  Reducing the entire faith of Islam to a simple cartoon is not= going to solve the problem.  
I was making a statement not trying to give an answer
Alex in NYC



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From:


"peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com <mailto:peter.west410@ntlworld.com> > wrote: The swo= rd of islam wants us destroyed,Its war ,whose side are you on ?
 
It must be nice to live in such a simple world. Come and visit us, we live = in a very complex one.
 
 
 
 





   BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save =A380 when= you order online today. Hurry! Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the i= nternet was meant to be.

--MS_Mac_OE_3154412200_26743_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 14:46:13 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:46:13 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] OK, a completely OT thread -- Pearl Jam In-Reply-To: <000f01c3c3df$9cf59790$b16cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> from "peter.west410" at Dec 16, 2003 02:18:51 PM Message-ID: <200312161446.hBGEkDEP009831@basil.jkm.net> I've had a falling out with my sweetie, who has gotten demoted to "special friend" (LOL) over this ;-) What think you guys of Pearl Jam? I can't STAND Eddie Vedder's over-the-top vocal delivery. But I thought I'd seek other opinions -- which I will respectfully consider. As to the Saddam/US/UK/Israel/Palestine question -- I have my opinions, but I'm not going to be able to sway anyone here by writing a few astute paragraphs. The only thing I can say is to try to keep an open mind and keep researching and looking at the situation. We want so badly to find *an answer* and be done with a problem. This problem is eternal and we have to deal with it the best we can -- it ain't going away. People in power, war, corruption -- older than we are by far, and will outlive us. From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 14:46:55 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:46:55 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] the west's new atv playground In-Reply-To: <200312161440.hBGEejgt009904@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> from "Alex Smith" at Dec 16, 2003 09:40:59 AM Message-ID: <200312161446.hBGEkt4J009841@basil.jkm.net> > Iraq as solely dessert is a major misconception. Yeah, I thought it was an entree'! (LOL) Sorry, couldn't resist..... From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 14:52:52 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:52:52 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: <200312161436.hBGEa0gt025522@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <000b01c3c3e4$5d6ed410$946cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3C3E4.48355380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worth ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alex Smith=20 To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth "I think you re the one out of touch" You decry name-calling, then go right in for in for the cheap shots, = don't you. For a start, I work at the newsdesk of a major news-weekly = magazine and am well aware of the conditions in foreign nations. My = point was that for you to come away from supposedly visiting another = region of the globe, yet still you harbour the same idiotic party-line = is stupefying to me. You might as well have never left your couch. the thing is i left my couch,seeing things first hand,rather than = receiving second hand information at a newsdesk,its not untill you see = young people getting tortured that you realise the situation.and if you = do now whats going on,and you dont want a change ,you should be ashamed = of yourself,and to say youre "out of touch" is not petty name calling = whilst calling someone a sap is. Alex in NYC=20 ---------- From: "peter.west410" To: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:33 PM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alex Smith =20 To: gathering@misera.net ; = gathering@misera.net =20 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth "Poor Sap" is *hardly* name-calling on this list. Trust me.=20 "i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen it first = hand" I find it STAGGERINGLY hard to believe and exceptionally = depressing that you could spend any time in that region yet still come = away with such a blinkered, jingoistic, narrow point of view. Alex in NYC then you should go to the arab countries,and see normal people = terrorized by the state,see the religious police butalising people ,see = the women not allowed to drive .education forbidden,walking three steps = behind their man.I think you re the one out of touch ---------- From: "peter.west410" > To: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:07 PM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: GregSlawson@aol.com =20 To: gathering@misera.net =20 Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth I guess the media is successful in convincing some poor saps to = believe their pro-war propoganda and hypocracy. Halliburton, = Exxon-Mobile, etc. are laughing all the way to the bank (which they = probably own, anyway).=20 =20 You can tell when people lose an argument,they resort to petty name = calling=20 PS i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen it first = hand ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3C3E4.48355380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alex=20 Smith
To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, = 2003 2:35=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence = worth


"I think you re the one out of = touch"

You=20 decry name-calling, then go right in for in for the cheap shots, don't = you.=20 For a start, I work at the newsdesk of a major news-weekly magazine = and am=20 well aware of the conditions in foreign nations. My point was that for = you to=20 come away from supposedly visiting another region of the globe, yet = still you=20 harbour the same idiotic party-line is stupefying to me. You might as = well=20 have never left your couch.
the thing is i left my couch,seeing = things first=20 hand,rather than receiving second hand information at a newsdesk,its = not=20 untill you see young people getting tortured that you realise the=20 situation.and if you do now whats going on,and you dont want a change = ,you=20 should be ashamed of yourself,and to say youre "out of touch" is not = petty=20 name calling whilst calling someone a sap is.

Alex in NYC


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From: "peter.west410"=20 <peter.west410@ntlworld.com>
To:=20 <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence = worth
Date:=20 Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:33 PM



----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Smith = <mailto:vassifer@earthlink.net>=20  
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net> =  ; gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>=20  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:15=20 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth


"Poor = Sap" is=20 *hardly* name-calling on this list. Trust me.

"i=20 spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen it first=20 hand"

I find it STAGGERINGLY hard to believe and=20 exceptionally depressing  that you could spend any time in = that=20 region yet still come away with such a blinkered, jingoistic, = narrow point=20 of view.

Alex in NYC
then you should go = to the arab=20 countries,and see normal people terrorized by the state,see the = religious=20 police butalising people ,see the women not allowed to drive = .education=20 forbidden,walking three steps behind their man.I think you re the = one out=20 of touch


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From: "peter.west410" = <peter.west410@ntlworld.com <mailto:peter.west410@ntlworld.com>=20 >
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: = Re: [kj]=20 my tuppence worth
Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:07 PM



----- Original Message -----
From: GregSlawson@aol.com <mailto:GregSlawson@aol.com>=20  
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>=20  
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:42=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence=20 worth

I guess the=20 media is successful in convincing some poor saps to believe their = pro-war=20 propoganda and hypocracy. Halliburton, Exxon-Mobile, etc. are = laughing all=20 the way to the bank (which they probably own, anyway).=20
 
You can tell when people lose an = argument,they=20 resort to petty name calling
PS  i spent alot of time in = the middle=20 east so i ve seen it first=20 hand


------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3C3E4.48355380-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 14:52:19 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:52:19 -0000 Subject: [kj] [ot] music not war Message-ID: <7D368CED82B7A44FAB699FBB41CC9212058643A9@i2km02-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C3E4.34256432 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can anyone recommend a midi player for a HP iPAQ PDA, =20 =20 or a midi file to wav converter? =20 Loose Gannon=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C3E4.34256432 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Can = anyone recommend=20 a midi player for a HP iPAQ  PDA, 
 
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=00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C3E4.34256432-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 14:49:11 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:49:11 -0500 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <200312161448.hBGEmvgt007726@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> "I have an open mind and think for myself.I dont need a lyric sheet to form opinions."follow the leaders"thats what jaz said you must do isnt it?" This is becoming a bit of a tired retort, Peter, don't you think? By reducing the Gatherers who *happen* to disagree with your Sgt.Rock-perspective on the war as knee-jerk fanatics who cowtow to every syllable out of Jaz's oft-flapping mouth doesn't support your argument very well. I consider myself a zealous Killing Joke fan, but does that mean I'm an avowed permaculturalilst or a fundamentalist Thelemite? No. But by the same token, I am attracted to Killing Joke not just because of the way they *sound*, but for what they have to say. And it strikes me -- and perhaps this is only my interpretation -- that what Killing Joke have to say flies directly in the face of what you happen to believe. It's for this reason that you don't see me listening to Ted Nugent of Toby Keith or Lee Greenwoo= d or Skrewdriver or Kid Rock....because I think what those artists have to sa= y is a crock of fuckin' shit. I'm not going to tell you what you should or should not believe, but I'm curious as to how you can so fully detach yourself from the lyrical content of Killing Joke and still enjoy their music. It's legitimate question, though I'm sure you'll just write-it off. Alex in NYC ---------- >From: "peter.west410" >To: >Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 9:33 AM > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jester" >To: "Gathering" >Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:24 PM >Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > >On 12/16/03 8:18 AM, "peter.west410" wrote: > >> Do tell"the mindset of a true killing joke fan" I want to see if i fit t= he >> criteria > > >You don=B9t... > >I have an open mind and think for myself.I dont need a lyric sheet to form >opinions."follow the leaders"thats what jaz said you must do isnt it? > > > >KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! >OCCISIO LOCATIO > >THE WEBMASTER, >JESTER >WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM >WWW.PARALLAX1.COM > >There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > >"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or >Gates?" > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 15:00:38 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:00:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] the west's new atv playground Message-ID: <1894055.1071586838879.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> I think Iraq is just a mere trifle... N > from: Amy Moseley Rupp > date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:46:55 > to: gathering@misera.net > subject: Re: [kj] the west's new atv playground > > > Iraq as solely dessert is a major misconception. > > Yeah, I thought it was an entree'! (LOL) > > Sorry, couldn't resist..... > _______________________________________________ -- 'Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum' -- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 15:02:28 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:02:28 -0600 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <000d01c3c3e1$8fd73710$b16cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: No one said you did. But it does give insight to where the fans of a particular band may come from. I doubt Lynard Skynard fans are having this discussion. Maybe you should go there. I am sure they are discussing the finer points of living the the trailer park and sister fucking..hahaha On 12/16/03 8:33 AM, "peter.west410" wrote: >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jester" > To: "Gathering" > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:24 PM > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >=20 >=20 > On 12/16/03 8:18 AM, "peter.west410" wrote: >=20 >> Do tell"the mindset of a true killing joke fan" I want to see if i fit t= he >> criteria >=20 >=20 > You don=B9t... >=20 > I have an open mind and think for myself.I dont need a lyric sheet to for= m > opinions."follow the leaders"thats what jaz said you must do isnt it? >=20 >=20 >=20 > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! > OCCISIO LOCATIO >=20 > THE WEBMASTER, > JESTER > WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM > WWW.PARALLAX1.COM >=20 > There is no place like 127.0.0.1 >=20 > "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or > Gates?" >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >=20 >=20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 15:03:54 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:03:54 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: "the Sword of Islam" In-Reply-To: <200312161436.hBGEa0gv025522@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154410235_13171004 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 12/16/03 8:36 AM, "Alex Smith" wrote: > > And it's your ridiculous statement I was taking exception to. > > Alex in NYC > > Looked to me to be even more racist than the rag head statement made earlier this week. Just my opinion.... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154410235_13171004 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT: "the Sword of Islam" On 12/16/03 8:36 AM, &q= uot;Alex Smith" <vassifer@earthlink.net> wrote:


And it's your ridiculous statement I was taking exception to.

Alex in NYC


Looked to me to be even more racist than the rag head statement made ear= lier this week. Just my opinion....

KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place = like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3154410235_13171004-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 15:04:15 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Leigh Newton) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:04:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <000b01c3c3e4$5d6ed410$946cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: <20031216150415.3436.qmail@web10406.mail.yahoo.com> Peter-someone needs to give you a lesson in replying to emails. Lesson 1-Don't hide your response within the text of the person to whom you are responding. Finding it can be like a scavenger hunt. Leigh --- "peter.west410" wrote: > Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alex Smith > To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:35 PM > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > "I think you re the one out of touch" > > You decry name-calling, then go right in for in > for the cheap shots, don't you. For a start, I work > at the newsdesk of a major news-weekly magazine and > am well aware of the conditions in foreign nations. > My point was that for you to come away from > supposedly visiting another region of the globe, yet > still you harbour the same idiotic party-line is > stupefying to me. You might as well have never left > your couch. > > the thing is i left my couch,seeing things first > hand,rather than receiving second hand information > at a newsdesk,its not untill you see young people > getting tortured that you realise the situation.and > if you do now whats going on,and you dont want a > change ,you should be ashamed of yourself,and to say > youre "out of touch" is not petty name calling > whilst calling someone a sap is. > > Alex in NYC > > > ---------- > From: "peter.west410" > To: > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:33 PM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alex Smith > > To: gathering@misera.net > ; > gathering@misera.net > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:15 AM > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > "Poor Sap" is *hardly* name-calling on this > list. Trust me. > > "i spent alot of time in the middle east so i > ve seen it first hand" > > I find it STAGGERINGLY hard to believe and > exceptionally depressing that you could spend any > time in that region yet still come away with such a > blinkered, jingoistic, narrow point of view. > > Alex in NYC > then you should go to the arab countries,and > see normal people terrorized by the state,see the > religious police butalising people ,see the women > not allowed to drive .education forbidden,walking > three steps behind their man.I think you re the one > out of touch > > > ---------- > From: "peter.west410" > > > To: > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:07 PM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: GregSlawson@aol.com > > To: gathering@misera.net > > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:42 PM > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > I guess the media is successful in convincing > some poor saps to believe their pro-war propoganda > and hypocracy. Halliburton, Exxon-Mobile, etc. are > laughing all the way to the bank (which they > probably own, anyway). > > You can tell when people lose an argument,they > resort to petty name calling > PS i spent alot of time in the middle east so i > ve seen it first hand > > > > ===== http://www.daiquiri.tvheaven.com http://www.tweek.tvheaven.com http://www.mp3.com/tweek http://www.mp3.com/green_lung __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 15:07:08 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:07:08 -0500 Subject: [kj] OK, a completely OT thread -- Pearl Jam Message-ID: <200312161506.hBGF6tcw014062@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Pearl Jam -- Initially a perfectly inoffensive hard rock band (who owe more to Bad Company than anything even remotely "Punk"), who became swept up in a scene they really didn't have all that much in common with (and don't try to tell me Mother Love Bone were really all that 'grunge' either....they were basically Poison with a slightly funkier rhythm secion). I respect Eddie Vedder's convictions, but I think he takes himself pretty damn seriously. Their music? Well,....it's not entirely that exciting, but there are plenty worse (I quite liked "Do the Evolution" a few years back). At the end of the day, I don't mind them, but you'll never see me rush out to buy one of their albums. They're also indirectly responsible for crap like Creed and Fuel and Nickelback, so I suppose they deserve a few slaps in the face, but nothing more. Amy's take on Iraq/Middle East/Global Conflict/Sword of Islam --- "The only thing I can say is to try to keep an open mind and keep researching and looking at the situation." Well, that's pretty much it in a nutshell, isn't it? I mean, it'd be lovely to live in a cut'n'dry/black'n'white world where things were more clearly defined, but they're simply not. While it's an easy temptation to denounce the entirety of Islam as "an Evil Empire", it's a good deal more complicated than that. On the flipside of that coin, is Israel a hotbed of tolerance? Hell no, and the Palestinians are treated like fourth-class citizens (at best), but does that forgive them the favored method of suicide bombings in crowded marketplaces? I certainly think not. I bristle with contempt when Bush deliberately blurs the lines between Al-Qaeda and Iraq, preying upon the jingoistic ignorance (hello, rural American Midwest!) of the American Public. Moreover, by dehumanizing the enemey and reducing their motives to simply being the reckless actions of "cold hearted killers" and/or "evil-doers", you remove the concept of understanding *WHY* these people feel disenfranchized to the point of entertaining suicide missions. Prevetion is better than cure. Investigate their motivations, not solely their actions. And if you think Bush jr. gives a tinker's fuckin' cuss about the intersts of the Iraqi people, you're smokin' a bigger bong than I can imagine. Alex in NYC ---------- >From: amyr@jump.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: [kj] OK, a completely OT thread -- Pearl Jam >Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 9:46 AM > >I've had a falling out with my sweetie, who has gotten >demoted to "special friend" (LOL) over this ;-) > >What think you guys of Pearl Jam? > >I can't STAND Eddie Vedder's over-the-top vocal delivery. > >But I thought I'd seek other opinions -- which I will >respectfully consider. > >As to the Saddam/US/UK/Israel/Palestine question -- I >have my opinions, but I'm not going to be able to sway >anyone here by writing a few astute paragraphs. The >only thing I can say is to try to keep an open mind >and keep researching and looking at the situation. We >want so badly to find *an answer* and be done with a >problem. This problem is eternal and we have to deal >with it the best we can -- it ain't going away. People >in power, war, corruption -- older than we are by far, >and will outlive us. >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 15:07:38 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:07:38 -0500 Subject: [kj] the west's new atv playground Message-ID: <200312161507.hBGF6td0014062@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> It's that second "s". Gets me every time. Alex in NYC ---------- >From: amyr@jump.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] the west's new atv playground >Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 9:46 AM > >> Iraq as solely dessert is a major misconception. > >Yeah, I thought it was an entree'! (LOL) > >Sorry, couldn't resist..... >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 15:10:29 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:10:29 -0500 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <200312161510.hBGFAGgt005669@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154414229_148800_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit You're not easy to talk to Peter, and your hardline refusal to even consider a differing opinion is unfortunate. But, y'know, to each their own. Alex in NYC ---------- From: "peter.west410" To: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 9:52 AM ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Smith To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth "I think you re the one out of touch" You decry name-calling, then go right in for in for the cheap shots, don't you. For a start, I work at the newsdesk of a major news-weekly magazine and am well aware of the conditions in foreign nations. My point was that for you to come away from supposedly visiting another region of the globe, yet still you harbour the same idiotic party-line is stupefying to me. You might as well have never left your couch. the thing is i left my couch,seeing things first hand,rather than receiving second hand information at a newsdesk,its not untill you see young people getting tortured that you realise the situation.and if you do now whats going on,and you dont want a change ,you should be ashamed of yourself,and to say youre "out of touch" is not petty name calling whilst calling someone a sap is. Alex in NYC ---------- From: "peter.west410" To: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:33 PM ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Smith To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth "Poor Sap" is *hardly* name-calling on this list. Trust me. "i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen it first hand" I find it STAGGERINGLY hard to believe and exceptionally depressing that you could spend any time in that region yet still come away with such a blinkered, jingoistic, narrow point of view. Alex in NYC then you should go to the arab countries,and see normal people terrorized by the state,see the religious police butalising people ,see the women not allowed to drive .education forbidden,walking three steps behind their man.I think you re the one out of touch ---------- From: "peter.west410" > To: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:07 PM ----- Original Message ----- From: GregSlawson@aol.com To: gathering@misera.net Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth I guess the media is successful in convincing some poor saps to believe their pro-war propoganda and hypocracy. Halliburton, Exxon-Mobile, etc. are laughing all the way to the bank (which they probably own, anyway). You can tell when people lose an argument,they resort to petty name calling PS i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen it first hand --MS_Mac_OE_3154414229_148800_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
You're not easy to talk to Peter, and your hardline refusal to even conside= r a differing opinion is unfortunate. But, y'know, to each their own.

Alex in NYC



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From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 9:52 AM


 
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Smith <mailto:vassifer@earthl= ink.net>  
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>  ; gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth


"I think you re the one out of touch"

You decry name-calling, then go right in for in for the cheap shots,= don't you. For a start, I work at the newsdesk of a major news-weekly magaz= ine and am well aware of the conditions in foreign nations. My point was tha= t for you to come away from supposedly visiting another region of the globe,= yet still you harbour the same idiotic party-line is stupefying to me. You = might as well have never left your couch.
the thing is i left my couch,seeing things first hand,rather= than receiving second hand information at a newsdesk,its not untill you see= young people getting tortured that you realise the situation.and if you do = now whats going on,and you dont want a change ,you should be ashamed of your= self,and to say youre "out of touch" is not petty name calling whi= lst calling someone a sap is.

Alex in NYC


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From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410@= ntlworld.com>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:33 PM



----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Smith <mailto:vassifer@earthl= ink.net>  
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>  ; gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth


"Poor Sap" is *hardly* name-calling on this list. Trust me.

"i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen i= t first hand"

I find it STAGGERINGLY hard to believe and exceptionally depressing =  that you could spend any time in that region yet still come away with = such a blinkered, jingoistic, narrow point of view.

Alex in NYC
then you should go to the arab countries,and see normal peop= le terrorized by the state,see the religious police butalising people ,see t= he women not allowed to drive .education forbidden,walking three steps behin= d their man.I think you re the one out of touch


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From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410@= ntlworld.com <mailto:peter.west410@nt= lworld.com> >
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:07 PM



----- Original Message -----
From: GregSlawson@aol.com <mailto:GregSlawson@aol.com>  
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>  
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth

I guess the media is successful in convincing some poor saps to believe= their pro-war propoganda and hypocracy. Halliburton, Exxon-Mobile, etc. are= laughing all the way to the bank (which they probably own, anyway). =
 
You can tell when people lose an argument,they resort to pet= ty name calling
PS  i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen it first hand=



--MS_Mac_OE_3154414229_148800_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 15:14:39 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:14:39 -0600 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <20031216143447.96591.qmail@web10406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 12/16/03 8:34 AM, "Leigh Newton" wrote: > just squash it over a game > or 10 of Mario Kart, Since you mention it..is that a good game? My kids want that. They cant play F1 Championship too well... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 15:18:36 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:18:36 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] the west's new atv playground In-Reply-To: <200312161507.hBGF6td0014062@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> from "Alex Smith" at Dec 16, 2003 10:07:38 AM Message-ID: <200312161518.hBGFIa79010116@basil.jkm.net> > It's that second "s". Gets me every time. Oh, don't worry. Your impending fatherhood will be sure to wipe out a LOT of your memory, not to mention energy, time, money..... ;-) ;-) --Amy, single mom of two aged 11 and 4! From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 15:20:46 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jim=20Harper?=) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:20:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <001901c3c350$bef9d570$a3086851@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: <20031216152046.78677.qmail@web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --0-618558327-1071588046=:77976 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Willingly stating yourself to be dim is not going to do yourself any favours. However, your worldview does reduce the situation to two options- for the war or against the war, which you have stated to be the moral equivalent of supporting Hitler. This is simplistic, since it does not allow for any other viewpoint. Such as mine for example- firmly believing Saddam Hussein needed to be removed from power but also believing that George W. Bush is an incompetent moron, that Israel's behaviour is immoral and insupportable, and definitely not believing that the 'sword of Islam' (just what is that, by the way?) is out to get everyone who isn't already a Muslim. Just because Saddam Hussein needed to be disposed of doesn't mean you have to turn in a cheerleader of the we-love-Bush brigade. Besides, you were the one who claimed that people who run out of ideas resort to namecalling- I take it you have no ideas left then? Jim. "peter.west410" wrote: I expected a more intelligent reply than that,ah well at least im not the only dim person to post on here --------------------------------- BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save Ł80 when you order online today. Hurry! Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be. --0-618558327-1071588046=:77976 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Willingly stating yourself to be dim is not going to do yourself any favours.
 
However, your worldview does reduce the situation to two options- for the war or against the war, which you have stated to be the moral equivalent of supporting Hitler. This is simplistic, since it does not allow for any other viewpoint. Such as mine for example- firmly believing Saddam Hussein needed to be removed from power but also believing that George W. Bush is an incompetent moron, that Israel's behaviour is immoral and insupportable, and definitely not believing that the 'sword of Islam' (just what is that, by the way?) is out to get everyone who isn't already a Muslim. Just because Saddam Hussein needed to be disposed of doesn't mean you have to turn in a cheerleader of the we-love-Bush brigade.
 
Besides, you were the one who claimed that people who run out of ideas resort to namecalling- I take it you have no ideas left then?
 
Jim.

"peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com> wrote:
I expected a more intelligent reply than that,ah well at least im not the only dim person to post on here

BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save Ł80 when you order online today. Hurry! Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be. --0-618558327-1071588046=:77976-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 15:20:40 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:20:40 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] the west's new atv playground In-Reply-To: <1894055.1071586838879.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> from "neilfperry@btinternet.com" at Dec 16, 2003 03:00:38 PM Message-ID: <200312161520.hBGFKe21010160@basil.jkm.net> > I think Iraq is just a mere trifle... I think that it's more of a sticky pudding where major corporations want to play Little Jack Horner ;-) Appropriate time of year and everything! :-) From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 15:20:43 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Leigh Newton) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:20:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031216152043.9285.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com> I think they'll enjoy it more than your typical racing game. It's easier than most as well. So yeah, i do recommend it. Leigh --- Jester wrote: > On 12/16/03 8:34 AM, "Leigh Newton" > wrote: > > > just squash it over a game > > or 10 of Mario Kart, > > Since you mention it..is that a good game? My kids > want that. They cant play > F1 Championship too well... > > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! > OCCISIO LOCATIO > > THE WEBMASTER, > JESTER > WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM > WWW.PARALLAX1.COM > > There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > > "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we > have for Windows or > Gates?" > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ===== http://www.daiquiri.tvheaven.com http://www.tweek.tvheaven.com http://www.mp3.com/tweek http://www.mp3.com/green_lung __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 15:27:53 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:27:53 -0600 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <000b01c3c3e4$5d6ed410$946cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154411674_13264217 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable On 12/16/03 8:52 AM, "peter.west410" wrote: >> =20 >> the thing is i left my couch,seeing things first hand,rather than recei= ving >> second hand information at a newsdesk,its not untill you see young peop= le >> getting tortured that you realise the situation.and if you do now whats >> going on,and you dont want a change ,you should be ashamed of yourself,= and >> to say youre "out of touch" is not petty name calling whilst calling so= meone >> a sap is. >> =20 Wow, another =B3I live there/been there, argument. Shit, how much weight woul= d it carry for me to say, =B3well y=B9all, I live in TexASS, and y=B9all just don=B9t understand Bush=B9s mindset. I know why he does these things, and there is a very good reason for it. But since you don=B9t live here, you don=B9t understand.=B2 (NO I don=B9t feel that way, just an example...have to put that here for the people who would read it, miss the sarcasm, and freak out) Fucking horrible argument, that carry=B9s no weight AT ALL. Sell that so called argument somewhere else. KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154411674_13264217 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worth On 12/16/03 8:52 AM, &q= uot;peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com> wrote:

the thing i= s i left my couch,seeing things first  hand,rather than receiving secon= d hand information at a newsdesk,its not  untill you see young people g= etting tortured that you realise the  situation.and if you do now whats= going on,and you dont want a change ,you  should be ashamed of yoursel= f,and to say youre "out of touch" is not petty  name calling = whilst calling someone a sap is.
Wow, another “I live there/been there, argument. Shit= , how much weight would it carry for me to say, “well y’all, I l= ive in TexASS, and y’all just don’t understand Bush’s mind= set. I know why he does these things, and there is a very good reason for it= . But since you don’t live here, you don’t understand.” (N= O I don’t feel that way, just an example...have to put that here for t= he people who would read it, miss the sarcasm, and freak out)

Fucking horrible argument, that carry’s no weight AT ALL.

Sell that so called argument somewhere else.

KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3154411674_13264217-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 15:30:23 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:30:23 -0600 Subject: [kj] the west's new atv playground In-Reply-To: <200312161520.hBGFKe21010160@basil.jkm.net> Message-ID: The new vacation spot. Wonder when Disney Iraq will open? Are there plans for a movie? On 12/16/03 9:20 AM, "Amy Moseley Rupp" wrote: >> I think Iraq is just a mere trifle... > > I think that it's more of a sticky pudding where major > corporations want to play Little Jack Horner ;-) > > Appropriate time of year and everything! :-) > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 15:34:07 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:34:07 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: <200312161448.hBGEmvgt007726@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <000801c3c3ea$13461730$946cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> I can quite happily listen to music,whilst not agreeing with the lyrics,same way i can talk to people without agreeing with what they say.do you switch music off because you dont like the words? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Smith" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth "I have an open mind and think for myself.I dont need a lyric sheet to form opinions."follow the leaders"thats what jaz said you must do isnt it?" This is becoming a bit of a tired retort, Peter, don't you think? By reducing the Gatherers who *happen* to disagree with your Sgt.Rock-perspective on the war as knee-jerk fanatics who cowtow to every syllable out of Jaz's oft-flapping mouth doesn't support your argument very well. I consider myself a zealous Killing Joke fan, but does that mean I'm an avowed permaculturalilst or a fundamentalist Thelemite? No. But by the same token, I am attracted to Killing Joke not just because of the way they *sound*, but for what they have to say. And it strikes me -- and perhaps this is only my interpretation -- that what Killing Joke have to say flies directly in the face of what you happen to believe. It's for this reason that you don't see me listening to Ted Nugent of Toby Keith or Lee Greenwood or Skrewdriver or Kid Rock....because I think what those artists have to say is a crock of fuckin' shit. I'm not going to tell you what you should or should not believe, but I'm curious as to how you can so fully detach yourself from the lyrical content of Killing Joke and still enjoy their music. It's legitimate question, though I'm sure you'll just write-it off. Alex in NYC ---------- >From: "peter.west410" >To: >Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 9:33 AM > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jester" >To: "Gathering" >Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:24 PM >Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > >On 12/16/03 8:18 AM, "peter.west410" wrote: > >> Do tell"the mindset of a true killing joke fan" I want to see if i fit the >> criteria > > >You donąt... > >I have an open mind and think for myself.I dont need a lyric sheet to form >opinions."follow the leaders"thats what jaz said you must do isnt it? > > > >KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! >OCCISIO LOCATIO > >THE WEBMASTER, >JESTER >WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM >WWW.PARALLAX1.COM > >There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > >"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or >Gates?" > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 15:36:16 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:36:16 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: <20031216150415.3436.qmail@web10406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001001c3c3ea$5f6da290$946cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> cheers for the lesson ,It was nt intentional ,Im new to computers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leigh Newton" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > Peter-someone needs to give you a lesson in replying > to emails. Lesson 1-Don't hide your response within > the text of the person to whom you are responding. > Finding it can be like a scavenger hunt. > > Leigh > > --- "peter.west410" > wrote: > > Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Alex Smith > > To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net > > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:35 PM > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > > > > > "I think you re the one out of touch" > > > > You decry name-calling, then go right in for in > > for the cheap shots, don't you. For a start, I work > > at the newsdesk of a major news-weekly magazine and > > am well aware of the conditions in foreign nations. > > My point was that for you to come away from > > supposedly visiting another region of the globe, yet > > still you harbour the same idiotic party-line is > > stupefying to me. You might as well have never left > > your couch. > > > > the thing is i left my couch,seeing things first > > hand,rather than receiving second hand information > > at a newsdesk,its not untill you see young people > > getting tortured that you realise the situation.and > > if you do now whats going on,and you dont want a > > change ,you should be ashamed of yourself,and to say > > youre "out of touch" is not petty name calling > > whilst calling someone a sap is. > > > > Alex in NYC > > > > > > ---------- > > From: "peter.west410" > > To: > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:33 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Alex Smith > > > > To: gathering@misera.net > > ; > > gathering@misera.net > > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:15 AM > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > > > "Poor Sap" is *hardly* name-calling on this > > list. Trust me. > > > > "i spent alot of time in the middle east so i > > ve seen it first hand" > > > > I find it STAGGERINGLY hard to believe and > > exceptionally depressing that you could spend any > > time in that region yet still come away with such a > > blinkered, jingoistic, narrow point of view. > > > > Alex in NYC > > then you should go to the arab countries,and > > see normal people terrorized by the state,see the > > religious police butalising people ,see the women > > not allowed to drive .education forbidden,walking > > three steps behind their man.I think you re the one > > out of touch > > > > > > ---------- > > From: "peter.west410" > > > > > > To: > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:07 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: GregSlawson@aol.com > > > > To: gathering@misera.net > > > > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:42 PM > > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > > > > I guess the media is successful in convincing > > some poor saps to believe their pro-war propoganda > > and hypocracy. Halliburton, Exxon-Mobile, etc. are > > laughing all the way to the bank (which they > > probably own, anyway). > > > > You can tell when people lose an argument,they > > resort to petty name calling > > PS i spent alot of time in the middle east so i > > ve seen it first hand > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > http://www.daiquiri.tvheaven.com > http://www.tweek.tvheaven.com > http://www.mp3.com/tweek > http://www.mp3.com/green_lung > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 15:36:59 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (phat seanio) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:36:59 +0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID:

can I just say........

 

WAR IS SHIT,WHATEVER WAY YOU LOOK AT IT..........


Personalise your e-mails with photos, expressive graphics and stationery - sign up for MSN 8 today! From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 15:41:16 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:41:16 -0500 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <200312161541.hBGFf3cw011162@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> "do you switch music off because you dont like the words?" You're obviously feeling a bit defensive as you seem to be in the minority here, but are comments like this absolutely necessary? I think what sets Killing Joke apart from the rest of the rabble is the fac= t that what they have to say is so *PRONOUNCED* in their music. That said, it strikes me that it would be harder to ignore it than it would to ignore the lyrical content of, say, Aerosmith. Alex in NYC ---------- >From: "peter.west410" >To: >Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 10:34 AM > >I can quite happily listen to music,whilst not agreeing with the lyrics,sa= me >way i can talk to people without agreeing with what they say.do you switch >music off because you dont like the words? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alex Smith" >To: ; >Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:49 PM >Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > > >"I have an open mind and think for myself.I dont need a lyric sheet to for= m >opinions."follow the leaders"thats what jaz said you must do isnt it?" > > >This is becoming a bit of a tired retort, Peter, don't you think? By >reducing the Gatherers who *happen* to disagree with your >Sgt.Rock-perspective on the war as knee-jerk fanatics who cowtow to every >syllable out of Jaz's oft-flapping mouth doesn't support your argument ver= y >well. I consider myself a zealous Killing Joke fan, but does that mean I'm >an avowed permaculturalilst or a fundamentalist Thelemite? No. But by the >same token, I am attracted to Killing Joke not just because of the way the= y >*sound*, but for what they have to say. And it strikes me -- and perhaps >this is only my interpretation -- that what Killing Joke have to say flies >directly in the face of what you happen to believe. It's for this reason >that you don't see me listening to Ted Nugent of Toby Keith or Lee Greenwo= od >or Skrewdriver or Kid Rock....because I think what those artists have to s= ay >is a crock of fuckin' shit. I'm not going to tell you what you should or >should not believe, but I'm curious as to how you can so fully detach >yourself from the lyrical content of Killing Joke and still enjoy their >music. > >It's legitimate question, though I'm sure you'll just write-it off. > >Alex in NYC > > > > > > >---------- >>From: "peter.west410" >>To: >>Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >>Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 9:33 AM >> > >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Jester" >>To: "Gathering" >>Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:24 PM >>Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >> >> >>On 12/16/03 8:18 AM, "peter.west410" wrote: >> >>> Do tell"the mindset of a true killing joke fan" I want to see if i fit >the >>> criteria >> >> >>You don=B9t... >> >>I have an open mind and think for myself.I dont need a lyric sheet to for= m >>opinions."follow the leaders"thats what jaz said you must do isnt it? >> >> >> >>KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! >>OCCISIO LOCATIO >> >>THE WEBMASTER, >>JESTER >>WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM >>WWW.PARALLAX1.COM >> >>There is no place like 127.0.0.1 >> >>"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or >>Gates?" >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Gathering mailing list >>Gathering@misera.net >>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Gathering mailing list >>Gathering@misera.net >>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 15:41:49 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:41:49 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: <200312161510.hBGFAGgt005669@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <001a01c3c3eb$2f85e1e0$946cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C3C3EB.1ECE3FF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worthCan you stop your personal attacks on me, im = very easy to talk to.I ve noticed youre getting more and more bitchy and = spiteful,i do consider other peoples opinion,But dont agree with = them.You seem not to be able to understand that. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alex Smith=20 To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth You're not easy to talk to Peter, and your hardline refusal to even = consider a differing opinion is unfortunate. But, y'know, to each their = own.=20 Alex in NYC ---------- From: "peter.west410" To: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 9:52 AM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alex Smith =20 To: gathering@misera.net ; = gathering@misera.net =20 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth "I think you re the one out of touch" You decry name-calling, then go right in for in for the cheap = shots, don't you. For a start, I work at the newsdesk of a major = news-weekly magazine and am well aware of the conditions in foreign = nations. My point was that for you to come away from supposedly visiting = another region of the globe, yet still you harbour the same idiotic = party-line is stupefying to me. You might as well have never left your = couch. the thing is i left my couch,seeing things first hand,rather than = receiving second hand information at a newsdesk,its not untill you see = young people getting tortured that you realise the situation.and if you = do now whats going on,and you dont want a change ,you should be ashamed = of yourself,and to say youre "out of touch" is not petty name calling = whilst calling someone a sap is. Alex in NYC=20 ---------- From: "peter.west410" To: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:33 PM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alex Smith =20 To: gathering@misera.net ; = gathering@misera.net =20 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth "Poor Sap" is *hardly* name-calling on this list. Trust me.=20 "i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen it first = hand" I find it STAGGERINGLY hard to believe and exceptionally = depressing that you could spend any time in that region yet still come = away with such a blinkered, jingoistic, narrow point of view. Alex in NYC then you should go to the arab countries,and see normal people = terrorized by the state,see the religious police butalising people ,see = the women not allowed to drive .education forbidden,walking three steps = behind their man.I think you re the one out of touch ---------- From: "peter.west410" > To: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:07 PM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: GregSlawson@aol.com =20 To: gathering@misera.net =20 Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth I guess the media is successful in convincing some poor saps to = believe their pro-war propoganda and hypocracy. Halliburton, = Exxon-Mobile, etc. are laughing all the way to the bank (which they = probably own, anyway).=20 =20 You can tell when people lose an argument,they resort to petty name = calling=20 PS i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen it first = hand ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C3C3EB.1ECE3FF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
Can you stop your personal attacks on = me, im very=20 easy to talk to.I ve noticed = youre getting=20 more and more bitchy and spiteful,i do consider other peoples = opinion,But dont=20 agree with them.You seem not to be able to understand = that.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alex=20 Smith
To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, = 2003 3:10=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence = worth


You're not easy to talk to Peter, and your hardline = refusal=20 to even consider a differing opinion is unfortunate. But, y'know, to = each=20 their own.

Alex in NYC



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From:=20 "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com= >
To:=20 <gathering@misera.net>
Subj= ect:=20 Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 9:52 = AM



----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Smith = <mailto:vassifer@earthlink.net<= /U>>=20  
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net> =  ; gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>=20  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:35=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth


"I think you re the one out of touch"

You = decry=20 name-calling, then go right in for in for the cheap shots, don't = you. For=20 a start, I work at the newsdesk of a major news-weekly magazine = and am=20 well aware of the conditions in foreign nations. My point was that = for you=20 to come away from supposedly visiting another region of the globe, = yet=20 still you harbour the same idiotic party-line is stupefying to me. = You=20 might as well have never left your couch.
the = thing is i=20 left my couch,seeing things first hand,rather than receiving = second hand=20 information at a newsdesk,its not untill you see young people = getting=20 tortured that you realise the situation.and if you do now whats = going=20 on,and you dont want a change ,you should be ashamed of = yourself,and to=20 say youre "out of touch" is not petty name calling whilst calling = someone=20 a sap is.

Alex in NYC =


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From:=20 "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com>
To:=20 <gathering@misera.net>
Subject:=20 Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:33 = PM



----- Original Message -----
From: Alex = Smith=20 <mailto:vassifer@earthlink.net>=20  
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net> =  ;=20 gathering@misera.net = <mailto:gathering@misera.net>=20  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:15=20 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence = worth


"Poor Sap"=20 is *hardly* name-calling on this list. Trust me. =

"i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen = it first=20 hand"

I find it STAGGERINGLY hard to believe and = exceptionally depressing  that you could spend any time = in that=20 region yet still come away with such a blinkered, jingoistic, = narrow=20 point of view.

Alex in NYC
then you = should go=20 to the arab countries,and see normal people terrorized by the=20 state,see the religious police butalising people ,see the = women not=20 allowed to drive .education forbidden,walking three steps = behind their=20 man.I think you re the one out of=20 touch


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From: "peter.west410" = <peter.west410@ntlworld.com = <mailto:peter.west410@ntlworld.com>=20 >
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re:=20 [kj] my tuppence worth
Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:07 = PM



----- Original Message -----
From: = GregSlawson@aol.com = <mailto:GregSlawson@aol.com>=20  
To: gathering@misera.net = <mailto:gathering@misera.net>=20  
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:42=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence=20 = worth

I guess the media is successful in convincing some poor = saps to=20 believe their pro-war propoganda and hypocracy. Halliburton, = Exxon-Mobile,=20 etc. are laughing all the way to the bank (which they probably own,=20 anyway).
 
You can tell when = people lose an=20 argument,they resort to petty name calling
PS  i spent alot = of time=20 in the middle east so i ve seen it first=20 hand



------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C3C3EB.1ECE3FF0-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 15:45:10 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:45:10 -0500 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <200312161544.hBGFiugt019936@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> hahaha....Peter, I have to apologize. I read this comment..... "do you switch music off because you dont like the words?" ....as "do you switch your MIND off, etc. etc." Now who's the defensive one? Anyway, sorry about that. I'd love to sit here all day and debate this, but I've got stuff to go do. I doubt I'm going to change your mind about the wa= r (or the proper way to listen to music), so I'm going to leave it at that fo= r a while. Alleged acrimony aside, I am enjoying this thread (sorry, Cliff). Melt the Guns, Alex in NYC ---------- >From: "Alex Smith" >To: gathering@misera.net, gathering@misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 10:41 AM > > >"do you switch music off because you dont like the words?" > >You're obviously feeling a bit defensive as you seem to be in the minority >here, but are comments like this absolutely necessary? > >I think what sets Killing Joke apart from the rest of the rabble is the fa= ct >that what they have to say is so *PRONOUNCED* in their music. That said, i= t >strikes me that it would be harder to ignore it than it would to ignore th= e >lyrical content of, say, Aerosmith. > >Alex in NYC > > > > >---------- >>From: "peter.west410" >>To: >>Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >>Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 10:34 AM >> > >>I can quite happily listen to music,whilst not agreeing with the lyrics,s= ame >>way i can talk to people without agreeing with what they say.do you switc= h >>music off because you dont like the words? >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Alex Smith" >>To: ; >>Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:49 PM >>Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >> >> >> >>"I have an open mind and think for myself.I dont need a lyric sheet to fo= rm >>opinions."follow the leaders"thats what jaz said you must do isnt it?" >> >> >>This is becoming a bit of a tired retort, Peter, don't you think? By >>reducing the Gatherers who *happen* to disagree with your >>Sgt.Rock-perspective on the war as knee-jerk fanatics who cowtow to every >>syllable out of Jaz's oft-flapping mouth doesn't support your argument ve= ry >>well. I consider myself a zealous Killing Joke fan, but does that mean I'= m >>an avowed permaculturalilst or a fundamentalist Thelemite? No. But by the >>same token, I am attracted to Killing Joke not just because of the way th= ey >>*sound*, but for what they have to say. And it strikes me -- and perhaps >>this is only my interpretation -- that what Killing Joke have to say flie= s >>directly in the face of what you happen to believe. It's for this reason >>that you don't see me listening to Ted Nugent of Toby Keith or Lee Greenw= ood >>or Skrewdriver or Kid Rock....because I think what those artists have to = say >>is a crock of fuckin' shit. I'm not going to tell you what you should or >>should not believe, but I'm curious as to how you can so fully detach >>yourself from the lyrical content of Killing Joke and still enjoy their >>music. >> >>It's legitimate question, though I'm sure you'll just write-it off. >> >>Alex in NYC >> >> >> >> >> >> >>---------- >>>From: "peter.west410" >>>To: >>>Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >>>Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 9:33 AM >>> >> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Jester" >>>To: "Gathering" >>>Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:24 PM >>>Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >>> >>> >>>On 12/16/03 8:18 AM, "peter.west410" wrote: >>> >>>> Do tell"the mindset of a true killing joke fan" I want to see if i fit >>the >>>> criteria >>> >>> >>>You don=B9t... >>> >>>I have an open mind and think for myself.I dont need a lyric sheet to fo= rm >>>opinions."follow the leaders"thats what jaz said you must do isnt it? >>> >>> >>> >>>KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! >>>OCCISIO LOCATIO >>> >>>THE WEBMASTER, >>>JESTER >>>WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM >>>WWW.PARALLAX1.COM >>> >>>There is no place like 127.0.0.1 >>> >>>"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or >>>Gates?" >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Gathering mailing list >>>Gathering@misera.net >>>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Gathering mailing list >>>Gathering@misera.net >>>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >>_______________________________________________ >>Gathering mailing list >>Gathering@misera.net >>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Gathering mailing list >>Gathering@misera.net >>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 15:46:48 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:46:48 -0600 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <001a01c3c3eb$2f85e1e0$946cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154412809_13310967 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Peter, that=B9s hardly a =B3personal attack=B2. I didn=B9t see him call you =B3bitchy= , and spiteful=B2. THAT is a personal attack. Alex just said it is unfortunate that you refuse to consider to a differing opinion. Don=B9t play the victim here. You kinda got this started, and began a bit of name calling... On 12/16/03 9:41 AM, "peter.west410" wrote: > Can you stop your personal attacks on me, im very easy to talk to.I ve no= ticed > youre getting more and more bitchy and spiteful,i do consider other peopl= es > opinion,But dont agree with them.You seem not to be able to understand th= at. > =20 > =20 > ----- Original Message ----- >> =20 >> From: Alex Smith >> =20 >> To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net >> =20 >> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:10 PM >> =20 >> Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >> =20 >>=20 >>=20 >> You're not easy to talk to Peter, and your hardline refusal to even con= sider >> a differing opinion is unfortunate. But, y'know, to each their own. >>=20 >> Alex in NYC >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> ---------- >> From: "peter.west410" >> To: >> Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >> Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 9:52 AM >>=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Alex Smith >>>> To: gathering@misera.net ; >>>> gathering@misera.net >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:35 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> "I think you re the one out of touch" >>>>=20 >>>> You decry name-calling, then go right in for in for the cheap shots, = don't >>>> you. For a start, I work at the newsdesk of a major news-weekly magaz= ine >>>> and am well aware of the conditions in foreign nations. My point was = that >>>> for you to come away from supposedly visiting another region of the g= lobe, >>>> yet still you harbour the same idiotic party-line is stupefying to me= . You >>>> might as well have never left your couch. >>>> the thing is i left my couch,seeing things first hand,rather than >>>> receiving second hand information at a newsdesk,its not untill you se= e >>>> young people getting tortured that you realise the situation.and if y= ou do >>>> now whats going on,and you dont want a change ,you should be ashamed = of >>>> yourself,and to say youre "out of touch" is not petty name calling wh= ilst >>>> calling someone a sap is. >>>>=20 >>>> Alex in NYC=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> ---------- >>>> From: "peter.west410" >>>> To: >>>> Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >>>> Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:33 PM >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> =20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> =20 >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Alex Smith >>>>>> To: gathering@misera.net ; >>>>>> gathering@misera.net >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:15 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> "Poor Sap" is *hardly* name-calling on this list. Trust me. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> "i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen it first hand= " >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I find it STAGGERINGLY hard to believe and exceptionally depressing >>>>>> that you could spend any time in that region yet still come away wi= th >>>>>> such a blinkered, jingoistic, narrow point of view. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Alex in NYC >>>>>> then you should go to the arab countries,and see normal people >>>>>> terrorized by the state,see the religious police butalising people = ,see >>>>>> the women not allowed to drive .education forbidden,walking three s= teps >>>>>> behind their man.I think you re the one out of touch >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> ---------- >>>>>> From: "peter.west410" >>>>> > >>>>>> To: >>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >>>>>> Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:07 PM >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: GregSlawson@aol.com To: gathering@misera.net Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >>> I guess the media is successful in convincing some poor saps to believ= e >>> their pro-war propoganda and hypocracy. Halliburton, Exxon-Mobile, etc= . are >>> laughing all the way to the bank (which they probably own, anyway). >>> =20 >>> You can tell when people lose an argument,they resort to petty name ca= lling >>> PS i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen it first han= d >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >=20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154412809_13310967 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Peter, that’s har= dly a “personal attack”. I didn’t see him call you “= bitchy, and spiteful”. THAT is a personal attack. Alex just said it is= unfortunate that you refuse to consider to a differing opinion.

Don’t play the victim here. You kinda got this started, and began a b= it of name calling...

On 12/16/03 9:41 AM, "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.c= om> wrote:

Can you stop your personal attacks on me, im very easy to talk= to.I ve noticed youre getting more and more bitchy and spiteful,i do consid= er other peoples opinion,But dont agree with them.You seem not to be able to= understand that.
 <= BR>  
----- Original Message -----

From:  Alex  Smith <mailto:vassifer@earthlink.net>  
 
To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net
 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:10  PM
 
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
 


You're not easy to talk to Peter, and your hardline refusal  to even c= onsider a differing opinion is unfortunate. But, y'know, to each  their= own.

Alex in NYC



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From:  "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com> To:  <gathering@misera.net>
Subject:  Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 9:52 AM


 

 
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Smith  <mailto:vassifer@earthlink.net> &nb= sp; 
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering= @misera.net>  ; gathering@mi= sera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>   
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:35  PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth


"I think you re the one out of touch"

You decry  name-calling, then go right in for in for the cheap shots, = don't you. For  a start, I work at the newsdesk of a major news-weekly = magazine and am  well aware of the conditions in foreign nations. My po= int was that for you  to come away from supposedly visiting another reg= ion of the globe, yet  still you harbour the same idiotic party-line is= stupefying to me. You  might as well have never left your couch.
the thing is i  left my couch,seeing things first hand,rather than rec= eiving second hand  information at a newsdesk,its not untill you see yo= ung people getting  tortured that you realise the situation.and if you = do now whats going  on,and you dont want a change ,you should be ashame= d of yourself,and to  say youre "out of touch" is not petty n= ame calling whilst calling someone  a sap is.

Alex in NYC


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From:  "peter.west410" <peter.we= st410@ntlworld.com>
To:  <gathering@misera.net><= BR> Subject:  Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:33 PM


 

 
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Smith  <mailto:vassifer@earthlink.net> &nb= sp; 
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering= @misera.net>  ;  gather= ing@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>   =
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:15  AM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth


"Poor Sap"  is *hardly* name-calling on this list. Trust me.=

"i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen it first  h= and"

I find it STAGGERINGLY hard to believe and  exceptionally depressing &= nbsp;that you could spend any time in that  region yet still come away = with such a blinkered, jingoistic, narrow  point of view.

Alex in NYC
then you should go  to the arab countries,and see normal people terror= ized by the  state,see the religious police butalising people ,see the = women not  allowed to drive .education forbidden,walking three steps be= hind their  man.I think you re the one out of  touch


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From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410@= ntlworld.com <mailto:peter.west410@ntlworld.com> &n= bsp;>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re:  [kj] my tuppence worth
Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:07 PM


 

 
----- Original Message -----
From: GregSlawson@aol.com <mailto:GregSlaws= on@aol.com>   
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering= @misera.net>   
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:42  PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence  worth

I guess the media is successful in convincing som= e poor saps to  believe their pro-war propoganda and hypocracy. Hallibu= rton, Exxon-Mobile,  etc. are laughing all the way to the bank (which t= hey probably own,  anyway).
 
You can tell when people lose an  argument,they resort to petty name c= alling
PS  i spent alot of time  in the middle east so i ve seen it firs= t  hand






KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place = like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3154412809_13310967-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 15:47:11 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:47:11 -0600 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <200312161541.hBGFf3cw011162@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: On 12/16/03 9:41 AM, "Alex Smith" wrote: > That said, it > strikes me that it would be harder to ignore it than it would to ignore the > lyrical content of, say, Aerosmith. > > Alex in NYC What is an Aerosmith? KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 15:48:07 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:48:07 -0500 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <200312161547.hBGFlsgt002341@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154416488_284658_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit "You're not easy to talk to Peter, and your hardline refusal to even consider a differing opinion is unfortunate. But, y'know, to each their own" That wasn't a "personal attack", merely an observation. If you read it as such, I do apologize. But, to be fair, your statements aren't exactly warm'n'cuddly either. As I just mentioned in another post, I think we should probably agree to disagree (on the war, and the 'proper way' to listen to Killing Joke, etc.) PS: When I get properly "bitchy" and/or "spiteful",.......YOU'LL KNOW IT. Cheers, Alex in NYC ---------- From: "peter.west410" To: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 10:41 AM Can you stop your personal attacks on me, im very easy to talk to.I ve noticed youre getting more and more bitchy and spiteful,i do consider other peoples opinion,But dont agree with them.You seem not to be able to understand that. ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Smith To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth You're not easy to talk to Peter, and your hardline refusal to even consider a differing opinion is unfortunate. But, y'know, to each their own. Alex in NYC ---------- From: "peter.west410" > To: > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 9:52 AM ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Smith > To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth "I think you re the one out of touch" You decry name-calling, then go right in for in for the cheap shots, don't you. For a start, I work at the newsdesk of a major news-weekly magazine and am well aware of the conditions in foreign nations. My point was that for you to come away from supposedly visiting another region of the globe, yet still you harbour the same idiotic party-line is stupefying to me. You might as well have never left your couch. the thing is i left my couch,seeing things first hand,rather than receiving second hand information at a newsdesk,its not untill you see young people getting tortured that you realise the situation.and if you do now whats going on,and you dont want a change ,you should be ashamed of yourself,and to say youre "out of touch" is not petty name calling whilst calling someone a sap is. Alex in NYC ---------- From: "peter.west410" To: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:33 PM ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Smith To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth "Poor Sap" is *hardly* name-calling on this list. Trust me. "i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen it first hand" I find it STAGGERINGLY hard to believe and exceptionally depressing that you could spend any time in that region yet still come away with such a blinkered, jingoistic, narrow point of view. Alex in NYC then you should go to the arab countries,and see normal people terrorized by the state,see the religious police butalising people ,see the women not allowed to drive .education forbidden,walking three steps behind their man.I think you re the one out of touch ---------- From: "peter.west410" > To: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:07 PM ----- Original Message ----- From: GregSlawson@aol.com To: gathering@misera.net Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth I guess the media is successful in convincing some poor saps to believe their pro-war propoganda and hypocracy. Halliburton, Exxon-Mobile, etc. are laughing all the way to the bank (which they probably own, anyway). You can tell when people lose an argument,they resort to petty name calling PS i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen it first hand --MS_Mac_OE_3154416488_284658_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
"You're not easy to talk to Peter, and your hardline refusal to even c= onsider a differing opinion is unfortunate. But, y'know, to each their own&q= uot;


That wasn't a "personal attack", merely an observation. If you re= ad it as such, I do apologize. But, to be fair, your statements aren't exact= ly warm'n'cuddly either. As I just mentioned in another post, I think we sho= uld probably agree to disagree (on the war, and the 'proper way' to listen t= o Killing Joke, etc.)


PS: When I get properly "bitchy" and/or "spiteful",....= ...YOU'LL KNOW IT.

Cheers,

Alex in NYC




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From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 10:41 AM


Can you stop your personal attacks on me, im ver= y easy to talk to.I ve noticed youre getting more and more bitchy and= spiteful,i do consider other peoples opinion,But dont agree with them.You s= eem not to be able to understand that.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Smith <mailto:vas= sifer@earthlink.net>  
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>  ; gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth


You're not easy to talk to Peter, and your hardline refusal to even conside= r a differing opinion is unfortunate. But, y'know, to each their own.

Alex in NYC



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From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410@= ntlworld.com <mailto:peter.west410@nt= lworld.com> >
To: <gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net> >
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 9:52 AM



----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Smith <mailto:vassifer@earthl= ink.net <mailto:vassifer@earthlink.net> &= gt;  
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>  ; gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth


"I think you re the one out of touch"

You decry name-calling, then go right in for in for the cheap shots,= don't you. For a start, I work at the newsdesk of a major news-weekly magaz= ine and am well aware of the conditions in foreign nations. My point was tha= t for you to come away from supposedly visiting another region of the globe,= yet still you harbour the same idiotic party-line is stupefying to me. You = might as well have never left your couch.
the thing is i left my couch,seeing things first hand,rather= than receiving second hand information at a newsdesk,its not untill you see= young people getting tortured that you realise the situation.and if you do = now whats going on,and you dont want a change ,you should be ashamed of your= self,and to say youre "out of touch" is not petty name calling whi= lst calling someone a sap is.

Alex in NYC


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From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410@= ntlworld.com>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:33 PM



----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Smith <mailto:vassifer@earthl= ink.net>  
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>  ; gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth


"Poor Sap" is *hardly* name-calling on this list. Trust me.

"i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen i= t first hand"

I find it STAGGERINGLY hard to believe and exceptionally depressing =  that you could spend any time in that region yet still come away with = such a blinkered, jingoistic, narrow point of view.

Alex in NYC
then you should go to the arab countries,and see normal peop= le terrorized by the state,see the religious police butalising people ,see t= he women not allowed to drive .education forbidden,walking three steps behin= d their man.I think you re the one out of touch


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From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410@= ntlworld.com <mailto:peter.west410@nt= lworld.com> >
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:07 PM



----- Original Message -----
From: GregSlawson@aol.com <mailto:GregSlawson@aol.com>  
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>  
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth

I guess the media is successful in convincing so= me poor saps to believe their pro-war propoganda and hypocracy. Halliburton,= Exxon-Mobile, etc. are laughing all the way to the bank (which they probabl= y own, anyway).
 
You can tell when people lose an argument,they resort to pet= ty name calling
PS  i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen it first hand=




--MS_Mac_OE_3154416488_284658_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 15:56:54 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:56:54 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: <20031216152046.78677.qmail@web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002501c3c3ed$47e65a10$946cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C3C3ED.3A4D5D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "The sword of islam" phrase comes from the Koran "Peace be upon all muslims and all new converts,or they must die by the = sword of islam" you say what you are opposed to ,fair enough,why dont you go one better = and try and give a better option,than if i hear a better way of getting = things done ,id change my mind.its easy just to state whats bad .its = difficult to dictate the way forward i----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jim Harper=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Willingly stating yourself to be dim is not going to do yourself any = favours. However, your worldview does reduce the situation to two options- for = the war or against the war, which you have stated to be the moral = equivalent of supporting Hitler. This is simplistic, since it does not = allow for any other viewpoint. Such as mine for example- firmly = believing Saddam Hussein needed to be removed from power but also = believing that George W. Bush is an incompetent moron, that Israel's = behaviour is immoral and insupportable, and definitely not believing = that the 'sword of Islam' (just what is that, by the way?) is out to get = everyone who isn't already a Muslim. Just because Saddam Hussein needed = to be disposed of doesn't mean you have to turn in a cheerleader of the = we-love-Bush brigade. Besides, you were the one who claimed that people who run out of ideas = resort to namecalling- I take it you have no ideas left then? Jim. "peter.west410" wrote: I expected a more intelligent reply than that,ah well at least im = not the only dim person to post on here -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save =A380 when you order online today. Hurry! = Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C3C3ED.3A4D5D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"The sword of islam" phrase comes from = the=20 Koran
"Peace be upon all muslims and all new = converts,or=20 they must die by the sword of islam"
 you say what you are opposed = to ,fair=20 enough,why dont you go one better and try and give a better option,than = if i=20 hear a better way of getting things done ,id change my mind.its easy = just to=20 state whats bad .its difficult to dictate the way forward
 
 
 
i----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Jim=20 Harper
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, = 2003 3:20=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence = worth

Willingly stating yourself to be dim is not going to do = yourself any favours.
 
However, your worldview does reduce the situation to two options- = for the=20 war or against the war, which you have stated to be the moral = equivalent of=20 supporting Hitler. This is simplistic, since it does not allow for any = other=20 viewpoint. Such as mine for example- firmly believing Saddam Hussein = needed to=20 be removed from power but also believing that George W. Bush is an = incompetent=20 moron, that Israel's behaviour is immoral and insupportable, and = definitely=20 not believing that the 'sword of Islam' (just what is that, by the = way?) is=20 out to get everyone who isn't already a Muslim. Just because Saddam = Hussein=20 needed to be disposed of doesn't mean you have to turn in a = cheerleader of the=20 we-love-Bush brigade.
 
Besides, you were the one who claimed that people who run out of = ideas=20 resort to namecalling- I take it you have no ideas left then?
 
Jim.

"peter.west410"=20 <peter.west410@ntlworld.com> wrote:
I expected a more intelligent reply = than=20 that,ah well at least im not the only dim person to post on=20 here

BT=20 Yahoo! Broadband - Save =A380 when you order online today. = Hurry! Offer=20 ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be.=20
------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C3C3ED.3A4D5D40-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 16:01:38 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:01:38 EST Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth/CHAT Message-ID: <1a9.1e209d60.2d108662@aol.com> --part1_1a9.1e209d60.2d108662_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sod the mail.... lets all get it off our chests.....KJ Chat is open and ready. Jel and Cliff are ready to listen to all sides of the argument. --part1_1a9.1e209d60.2d108662_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sod the mail.... lets all get it off our chests.....KJ Chat is open and rea= dy.

  Jel and Cliff are ready to listen to all sides of the argument. --part1_1a9.1e209d60.2d108662_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 16:32:17 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:32:17 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: Message-ID: <004801c3c3f2$363dfd40$946cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C3C3F2.2B882330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worthhis tone was getting more bitchy and = spiteful,and i dont really like it.You lot find it difficult to = differenciate between an opinion and bitchines,and im not playing the = victim,i just made a polite request thats all. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jester=20 To: Gathering=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Peter, that's hardly a "personal attack". I didn't see him call you = "bitchy, and spiteful". THAT is a personal attack. Alex just said it is = unfortunate that you refuse to consider to a differing opinion.=20 Don't play the victim here. You kinda got this started, and began a = bit of name calling... On 12/16/03 9:41 AM, "peter.west410" = wrote: Can you stop your personal attacks on me, im very easy to talk to.I = ve noticed youre getting more and more bitchy and spiteful,i do consider = other peoples opinion,But dont agree with them.You seem not to be able = to understand that. =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alex Smith =20 =20 To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net=20 =20 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:10 PM =20 Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth =20 You're not easy to talk to Peter, and your hardline refusal to = even consider a differing opinion is unfortunate. But, y'know, to each = their own.=20 Alex in NYC ---------- From: "peter.west410" To: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 9:52 AM =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alex Smith =20 To: gathering@misera.net ; = gathering@misera.net =20 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth "I think you re the one out of touch" You decry name-calling, then go right in for in for the cheap = shots, don't you. For a start, I work at the newsdesk of a major = news-weekly magazine and am well aware of the conditions in foreign = nations. My point was that for you to come away from supposedly = visiting another region of the globe, yet still you harbour the same = idiotic party-line is stupefying to me. You might as well have never = left your couch. the thing is i left my couch,seeing things first hand,rather = than receiving second hand information at a newsdesk,its not untill you = see young people getting tortured that you realise the situation.and if = you do now whats going on,and you dont want a change ,you should be = ashamed of yourself,and to say youre "out of touch" is not petty name = calling whilst calling someone a sap is. Alex in NYC=20 ---------- From: "peter.west410" To: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:33 PM =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alex Smith =20 To: gathering@misera.net ; = gathering@misera.net =20 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth "Poor Sap" is *hardly* name-calling on this list. Trust = me.=20 "i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen it = first hand" I find it STAGGERINGLY hard to believe and exceptionally = depressing that you could spend any time in that region yet still come = away with such a blinkered, jingoistic, narrow point of view. Alex in NYC then you should go to the arab countries,and see normal = people terrorized by the state,see the religious police butalising = people ,see the women not allowed to drive .education forbidden,walking = three steps behind their man.I think you re the one out of touch ---------- From: "peter.west410" > To: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:07 PM =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: GregSlawson@aol.com =20 To: gathering@misera.net =20 Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth I guess the media is successful in convincing some poor saps to = believe their pro-war propoganda and hypocracy. Halliburton, = Exxon-Mobile, etc. are laughing all the way to the bank (which they = probably own, anyway).=20 =20 You can tell when people lose an argument,they resort to petty = name calling=20 PS i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen it = first hand KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!=20 OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows = or Gates?" ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C3C3F2.2B882330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
his tone was getting more bitchy and = spiteful,and i=20 dont really like it.You lot find it difficult to differenciate between = an=20 opinion and bitchines,and im not playing the victim,i just made a polite = request=20 thats all.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jester
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, = 2003 3:46=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence = worth

Peter, that=92s=20 hardly a =93personal attack=94. I didn=92t see him call you =93bitchy, = and spiteful=94.=20 THAT is a personal attack. Alex just said it is unfortunate that you = refuse to=20 consider to a differing opinion.

Don=92t play the victim here. = You kinda=20 got this started, and began a bit of name calling...

On = 12/16/03 9:41=20 AM, "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com= >=20 wrote:
Can you = stop your=20 personal attacks on me, im very easy to talk = to.I ve noticed=20 youre getting more and more bitchy and spiteful,i do consider other = peoples=20 opinion,But dont agree with them.You seem not to be able to = understand=20 that.

 
----- Original Message ----- =

From:  Alex  Smith = <mailto:vassifer@earthlink.net&= gt;=20  
 
To: gathering@misera.net ; = gathering@misera.net=20
 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:10=20  PM
 
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence=20 worth
 


You're not easy to talk to Peter, and = your=20 hardline refusal  to even consider a differing opinion is=20 unfortunate. But, y'know, to each  their own.

Alex in = NYC



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From:  "peter.west410"=20 <peter.west410@ntlworld.com>
To:=20  <gathering@misera.net>
Subject:  Re: [kj] my = tuppence=20 worth
Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 9:52=20 AM


 

 
-----=20 Original Message -----
From: Alex Smith =  <mailto:vassifer@earthlink.net<= /U>>=20   
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net<= /FONT>>=20  ; gathering@misera.net=20 <mailto:gathering@misera.net<= /FONT>>=20   
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:35=20  PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence = worth


"I=20 think you re the one out of touch"

You decry=20  name-calling, then go right in for in for the cheap = shots, don't=20 you. For  a start, I work at the newsdesk of a major = news-weekly=20 magazine and am  well aware of the conditions in foreign = nations.=20 My point was that for you  to come away from supposedly = visiting=20 another region of the globe, yet  still you harbour the = same=20 idiotic party-line is stupefying to me. You  might as = well have=20 never left your couch.
the thing is i  left my = couch,seeing=20 things first hand,rather than receiving second hand =  information=20 at a newsdesk,its not untill you see young people getting=20  tortured that you realise the situation.and if you do = now whats=20 going  on,and you dont want a change ,you should be = ashamed of=20 yourself,and to  say youre "out of touch" is not petty = name=20 calling whilst calling someone  a sap is.

Alex in = NYC=20


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From:  "peter.west410" = <peter.west410@ntlworld.com>
To:=20  <gathering@misera.net>
Subject:=20  Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, = 7:33=20 PM


 

 
-----=20 Original Message -----
From: Alex Smith =  <mailto:vassifer@earthlink.net<= /U>>=20   
To: gathering@misera.net = <mailto:gathering@misera.net<= /FONT>>=20  ;  gathering@misera.net = <mailto:gathering@misera.net<= /FONT>>=20   
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 = 12:15=20  AM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence=20 worth


"Poor Sap"  is *hardly* name-calling = on this=20 list. Trust me.

"i spent alot of time in the = middle east=20 so i ve seen it first  hand"

I find it = STAGGERINGLY=20 hard to believe and  exceptionally depressing =  that you=20 could spend any time in that  region yet still come = away with=20 such a blinkered, jingoistic, narrow  point of=20 view.

Alex in NYC
then you should go  to = the arab=20 countries,and see normal people terrorized by the =  state,see=20 the religious police butalising people ,see the women not=20  allowed to drive .education forbidden,walking three = steps=20 behind their  man.I think you re the one out of=20  touch


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From: "peter.west410" = <peter.west410@ntlworld.com=20 <mailto:peter.west410@ntlworld.= com>=20  >
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject:=20 Re:  [kj] my tuppence worth
Date: Mon, Dec 15, = 2003, 7:07=20 PM


 

 
=
----- Original Message = -----=20
From: GregSlawson@aol.com=20 <mailto:GregSlawson@aol.com>=20   
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net<= /FONT>>=20   
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:42=20  PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence=20  worth
I = guess the=20 media is successful in convincing some poor saps to =  believe their=20 pro-war propoganda and hypocracy. Halliburton, Exxon-Mobile, =  etc.=20 are laughing all the way to the bank (which they probably own,=20  anyway).
 
You can tell when people lose an=20  argument,they resort to petty name calling
PS  i = spent=20 alot of time  in the middle east so i ve seen it first=20 =  hand






KEEPING THE = FIRE ALIVE=20 WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER=20
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place like=20 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we = have for=20 Windows or Gates?"
------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C3C3F2.2B882330-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 16:37:53 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (P Bernardi) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:37:53 -0500 Subject: [kj] O.T. - Didnt think the pansy had it in him. References: <200312161448.hBGEmvgt007726@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <3FDF34E1.8040006@erols.com> http://my.aol.com/news/news_story.psp?type=4&cat=0806&id=200312160851000177342 From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 16:39:37 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:39:37 -0500 Subject: [kj] Finally, a 2003 photo gallery, or the start of one anyway Message-ID: <20031216163937.SWXK20010.smtp1.fuse.net@smtp.fuse.net> For anyone who cares: http://www.an-irrational-domain.net/images/band2003/page1.html From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 16:44:28 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:44:28 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: Message-ID: <005601c3c3f3$e6aea3e0$946cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C3C3F3.DF176EF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worthIgnorance is bliss eh ,jester I was trying to = inform you of the situation.Its not a horrible argument and it does = carry weight,the world is fully aware of what goes on in taxarse,but = ignorant of life in the middle east,living under dictatorships ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jester=20 To: Gathering=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth On 12/16/03 8:52 AM, "peter.west410" = wrote: the thing is i left my couch,seeing things first hand,rather than = receiving second hand information at a newsdesk,its not untill you see = young people getting tortured that you realise the situation.and if you = do now whats going on,and you dont want a change ,you should be ashamed = of yourself,and to say youre "out of touch" is not petty name calling = whilst calling someone a sap is. Wow, another "I live there/been there, argument. Shit, how much weight = would it carry for me to say, "well y'all, I live in TexASS, and y'all = just don't understand Bush's mindset. I know why he does these things, = and there is a very good reason for it. But since you don't live here, = you don't understand." (NO I don't feel that way, just an example...have = to put that here for the people who would read it, miss the sarcasm, and = freak out) Fucking horrible argument, that carry's no weight AT ALL. Sell that so called argument somewhere else.=20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!=20 OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows = or Gates?" ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C3C3F3.DF176EF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
Ignorance is bliss eh ,jester I was = trying to=20 inform you of the situation.Its not a horrible argument and it does = carry=20 weight,the world is fully aware of what goes on in taxarse,but ignorant = of life=20 in the middle east,living under dictatorships
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jester
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, = 2003 3:27=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence = worth

On = 12/16/03=20 8:52 AM, "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com= >=20 wrote:

the thing is i left = my=20 couch,seeing things first  hand,rather than receiving second = hand=20 information at a newsdesk,its not  untill you see young = people=20 getting tortured that you realise the  situation.and if you = do now=20 whats going on,and you dont want a change ,you  should be = ashamed of=20 yourself,and to say youre "out of touch" is not petty  name = calling=20 whilst calling someone a sap is.

Wow, another =93I live = there/been=20 there, argument. Shit, how much weight would it carry for me to say, = =93well=20 y=92all, I live in TexASS, and y=92all just don=92t understand = Bush=92s mindset. I=20 know why he does these things, and there is a very good reason for it. = But=20 since you don=92t live here, you don=92t understand.=94 (NO I don=92t = feel that way,=20 just an example...have to put that here for the people who would read = it, miss=20 the sarcasm, and freak out)

Fucking horrible argument, that = carry=92s no=20 weight AT ALL.

Sell that so called argument somewhere else.=20

KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO =

THE=20 WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20

There is no place like 127.0.0.1

"In = a world=20 without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or=20 Gates?"
------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C3C3F3.DF176EF0-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 16:53:35 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:53:35 -0600 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <005601c3c3f3$e6aea3e0$946cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154416816_127897 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable On 12/16/03 10:44 AM, "peter.west410" wrote: > Ignorance is bliss eh ,jester I was trying to inform you of the situation= .Its > not a horrible argument and it does carry weight,the world is fully aware= of > what goes on in taxarse,but ignorant of life in the middle east,living un= der > dictatorships >> =20 Well then inform us Peter. Show us pictures and graphs, give us detailed accounts. Prove to me that Israel is not doing horrible things. Show a reason to believe differently..LIKE I SAID YESTERDAY to Pat. Simply spoutin= g off, =B3people get killed=B2, when we all know about occupation, and that aspect, do not give a good reason why we should feel differently about certain things. You don=B9t, and you have not offered that, and the only thin= g you have offered is abstract commentary and bitingly sarcastic comments. That carries no weight, and no validity, and when that fact is demonstrated= , YOU resort to personal attacks. Shit man, if your going to make an argument= , fucking present detailed facts, otherwise don=B9t fucking bother. You know, debate 101. KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154416816_127897 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worth On 12/16/03 10:44 AM, &= quot;peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com> wrote:

Ignorance is bliss eh ,jester I was trying to inform you of the situation.I= ts not a horrible argument and it does carry weight,the world is fully aware= of what goes on in taxarse,but ignorant of life in the middle east,living u= nder dictatorships

Well then inform us Peter. Show us pictures and graphs, giv= e us detailed accounts. Prove to me that Israel is not doing horrible things= . Show a reason to believe differently..LIKE I SAID YESTERDAY to Pat. Simply= spouting off, “people get killed”, when we all know about occup= ation, and that aspect, do not give a good reason why we should feel differe= ntly about certain things. You don’t, and you have not offered that, a= nd the only thing you have offered is abstract commentary and bitingly sarca= stic comments. That carries no weight, and no validity, and when that fact i= s demonstrated, YOU resort to personal attacks. Shit man, if your going to m= ake an argument, fucking present detailed facts, otherwise don’t fucki= ng bother. You know, debate 101.

KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3154416816_127897-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 16:54:20 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:54:20 -0500 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <200312161654.hBGGsqgt025818@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154420460_29959_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable "i just made a polite request thats all." I think your pleas for etiquette ring a bit hollow after branding people wh= o don't happen to agree with your stance on the war "Nazi Sympathizers," Peter. Alex in NYC ---------- From: "peter.west410" To: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 11:32 AM his tone was getting more bitchy and spiteful,and i dont really like it.You lot find it difficult to differenciate between an opinion and bitchines,and im not playing the victim,i just made a polite request thats all. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jester To: Gathering Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Peter, that=92s hardly a =93personal attack=94. I didn=92t see him call you =93bitchy= , and spiteful=94. THAT is a personal attack. Alex just said it is unfortunate that you refuse to consider to a differing opinion. Don=92t play the victim here. You kinda got this started, and began a bit of name calling... On 12/16/03 9:41 AM, "peter.west410" > wrote: Can you stop your personal attacks on me, im very easy to talk to.I ve noticed youre getting more and more bitchy and spiteful,i do consider other peoples opinion,But dont agree with them.You seem not to be able to understand that. ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Smith To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth You're not easy to talk to Peter, and your hardline refusal to even consider a differing opinion is unfortunate. But, y'know, to each their own. Alex in NYC ---------- From: "peter.west410" To: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 9:52 AM ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Smith > To: gathering@misera.net > ; gathering@misera.net > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth "I think you re the one out of touch" You decry name-calling, then go right in for in for the cheap shots, don't you. For a start, I work at the newsdesk of a major news-weekly magazine and am well aware of the conditions in foreign nations. My point was that for you to come away from supposedly visiting another region of the globe, yet still you harbour the same idiotic party-line is stupefying to me. You= might as well have never left your couch. the thing is i left my couch,seeing things first hand,rather than receivin= g second hand information at a newsdesk,its not untill you see young people getting tortured that you realise the situation.and if you do now whats going on,and you dont want a change ,you should be ashamed of yourself,and to say youre "out of touch" is not petty name calling whilst calling someone a sap is. Alex in NYC ---------- From: "peter.west410" To: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:33 PM ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Smith > To: gathering@misera.net > ; gathering@misera.net > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth "Poor Sap" is *hardly* name-calling on this list. Trust me. "i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen it first hand" I find it STAGGERINGLY hard to believe and exceptionally depressing that you could spend any time in that region yet still come away with such a blinkered, jingoistic, narrow point of view. Alex in NYC then you should go to the arab countries,and see normal people terrorized by the state,see the religious police butalising people ,see the women not= allowed to drive .education forbidden,walking three steps behind their man.I think you re the one out of touch ---------- From: "peter.west410" > > To: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:07 PM ----- Original Message ----- From: GregSlawson@aol.com > To: gathering@misera.net > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth I guess the media is successful in convincing some poor saps to believe their pro-war propoganda and hypocracy. Halliburton, Exxon-Mobile, etc. ar= e laughing all the way to the bank (which they probably own, anyway). You can tell when people lose an argument,they resort to petty name callin= g PS i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen it first hand KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --MS_Mac_OE_3154420460_29959_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
"i just made a polite request thats all."

I think your pleas for etiquette ring a bit hollow after branding pe= ople who don't happen to agree with your stance on the war "Nazi Sympat= hizers," Peter.

Alex in NYC



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From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 11:32 AM


his tone was getting more bitchy and spiteful,an= d i dont really like it.You lot find it difficult to differenciate between a= n opinion and bitchines,and im not playing the victim,i just made a polite r= equest thats all.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jester <mailto:webmaster@killing-j= oke.com>  
To: Gathering <mailto:gathering@misera.n= et>  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth

Peter, that=92s hardly a =93personal attack=94. I didn=92t see him call you =93bitchy= , and spiteful=94. THAT is a personal attack. Alex just said it is unfortunate= that you refuse to consider to a differing opinion.

Don=92t play the victim here. You kinda got this started, and began a bit of = name calling...

On 12/16/03 9:41 AM, "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com <mailto:p= eter.west410@ntlworld.com> > wrote:

Can you stop your personal attacks on me, im very easy to talk to.I ve noticed youre getting more and more bitchy and spite= ful,i do consider other peoples opinion,But dont agree with them.You seem no= t to be able to understand that.

 
----- Original Message -----

From:  Alex  Smith <mailto:vas= sifer@earthlink.net> <mailto:vassi= fer@earthlink.net>   
 
To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net
 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:10  PM
 
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
 


You're not easy to talk to Peter, and your hardline refusal  to even c= onsider a differing opinion is unfortunate. But, y'know, to each  their= own.

Alex in NYC



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From:  "peter.west410" <peter.we= st410@ntlworld.com>
To:  <gathering@misera.net><= BR> Subject:  Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 9:52 AM


 

 
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Smith  <mailto:vassifer@= earthlink.net <mailto:vassifer@earthlink.net> >   
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net> >  ; gathering@misera.net <mailto:gatheri= ng@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net> <= /U>>   
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:35  PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth


"I think you re the one out of touch"

You decry  name-calling, then go right in for in for the cheap shots, = don't you. For  a start, I work at the newsdesk of a major news-weekly = magazine and am  well aware of the conditions in foreign nations. My po= int was that for you  to come away from supposedly visiting another reg= ion of the globe, yet  still you harbour the same idiotic party-line is= stupefying to me. You  might as well have never left your couch.
the thing is i  left my couch,seeing things first hand,rather than rec= eiving second hand  information at a newsdesk,its not untill you see yo= ung people getting  tortured that you realise the situation.and if you = do now whats going  on,and you dont want a change ,you should be ashame= d of yourself,and to  say youre "out of touch" is not petty n= ame calling whilst calling someone  a sap is.

Alex in NYC


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From:  "peter.west410" <peter.we= st410@ntlworld.com>
To:  <gathering@misera.net><= BR> Subject:  Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:33 PM


 

 
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Smith  <mailto:vassifer@= earthlink.net <mailto:vassifer@earthlink.net> >   
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net> >  ;  gathering@misera.net <mailto:g= athering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net> >   
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:15  AM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth


"Poor Sap"  is *hardly* name-calling on this list. Trust me.=

"i spent alot of time in the middle east so i ve seen it first  h= and"

I find it STAGGERINGLY hard to believe and  exceptionally depressing &= nbsp;that you could spend any time in that  region yet still come away = with such a blinkered, jingoistic, narrow  point of view.

Alex in NYC
then you should go  to the arab countries,and see normal people terror= ized by the  state,see the religious police butalising people ,see the = women not  allowed to drive .education forbidden,walking three steps be= hind their  man.I think you re the one out of  touch


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From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410@= ntlworld.com <mailto:peter.west410@nt= lworld.com <mailto:peter.west410@ntlworld.com> >  >
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re:  [kj] my tuppence worth
Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 7:07 PM


 

 
----- Original Message -----
From: GregSlawson@aol.com <mailto:GregSlawson@aol.com <mailto:GregSlawson@aol.com= > >   
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net> >   
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:42  PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence  worth

I guess the media is successful in conv= incing some poor saps to  believe their pro-war propoganda and hypocrac= y. Halliburton, Exxon-Mobile,  etc. are laughing all the way to the ban= k (which they probably own,  anyway).
 
You can tell when people lose an  argument,they resort to petty name c= alling
PS  i spent alot of time  in the middle east so i ve seen it firs= t  hand






KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"

--MS_Mac_OE_3154420460_29959_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 17:01:41 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:01:41 -0500 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <200312161701.hBGH1Scw003509@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154420901_56509_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable "Ignorance is bliss eh ,jester" Another put-down from the man who decries put-downs. "I was trying to inform you of the situation." .....er....as YOU see it, that is. "Its not a horrible argument and it does carry weight,the world is fully aware of what goes on in taxarse,but ignorant of life in the middle east,living under dictatorships" I don't think anyone here is making the case that Saddam was a benevolent leader and that the world would be better off were he still in power. But the end does not justify the means. OF COURSE he was a tyrant and a dictator. Toppling Saddam from power and the liberation of the Iraqi people= , however, was decidedly *NOT* the expressed objective when we moved into Iraq. One more thing, Peter, and I mean this sincerely and not as a wind-up: you decry the "Sword of Islam" (yes, I'm aware this is a literal term from the Koran) and declare that it's an all-out war against the religion (which, by the way, is *EXACTLY* the perspective Osama Bin Laden wishes to project on the rest of the world) and bullishly postulate: "WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON?", and then you turn around and liken Anti-War Activists as Nazi Sympathizers. Weren't the Nazis, much like your current stance on Islam, out to rid the world of Judaism? All I'm saying is that calling someone a Nazi carries with it baggage that will call your other arguments into serious scrutiny. I.E., it's a strong accusation that should only be reserved for special occaissions. The world is not a place of absolutes. Alex in NYC ---------- From: "peter.west410" To: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 11:44 AM Ignorance is bliss eh ,jester I was trying to inform you of the situation.Its not a horrible argument and it does carry weight,the world is fully aware of what goes on in taxarse,but ignorant of life in the middle east,living under dictatorships ----- Original Message ----- From: Jester To: Gathering Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth On 12/16/03 8:52 AM, "peter.west410" > wrote: the thing is i left my couch,seeing things first hand,rather than receivin= g second hand information at a newsdesk,its not untill you see young people getting tortured that you realise the situation.and if you do now whats going on,and you dont want a change ,you should be ashamed of yourself,and to say youre "out of touch" is not petty name calling whilst calling someone a sap is. Wow, another =93I live there/been there, argument. Shit, how much weight woul= d it carry for me to say, =93well y=92all, I live in TexASS, and y=92all just don=92t understand Bush=92s mindset. I know why he does these things, and there is a very good reason for it. But since you don=92t live here, you don=92t understand.=94 (NO I don=92t feel that way, just an example...have to put that here for the people who would read it, miss the sarcasm, and freak out) Fucking horrible argument, that carry=92s no weight AT ALL. Sell that so called argument somewhere else. KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --MS_Mac_OE_3154420901_56509_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
"Ignorance is bliss eh ,jester"

Another put-down from the man who decries put-downs.

"I was trying to inform you of the situation."

.....er....as YOU see it, that is.


"Its not a horrible argument and it does carry weight,the world is ful= ly aware of what goes on in taxarse,but ignorant of life in the middle east,= living under dictatorships"


I don't think anyone here is making the case that Saddam was a benev= olent leader and that the world would be better off were he still in power. = But the end does not justify the means. OF COURSE he was a tyrant and a dict= ator. Toppling Saddam from power and the liberation of the Iraqi people, how= ever, was decidedly *NOT* the expressed objective when we moved into Iraq. <= BR>
One more thing, Peter, and I mean this sincerely and not as a wind-up: you = decry the "Sword of Islam" (yes, I'm aware this is a literal term = from the Koran) and declare that it's an all-out war against the religion (w= hich, by the way, is *EXACTLY* the perspective Osama Bin Laden wishes to pro= ject on the rest of the world) and bullishly postulate: "WHICH SIDE ARE= YOU ON?", and then you turn around and liken Anti-War Activists as Naz= i Sympathizers. Weren't the Nazis, much like your current stance on Islam, o= ut to rid the world of Judaism?  All I'm saying is that calling someone= a Nazi carries with it baggage that will call your other arguments into ser= ious scrutiny. I.E., it's a strong accusation that should only be reserved f= or special occaissions.

The world is not a place of absolutes.

Alex in NYC




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From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 11:44 AM


 --MS_Mac_OE_3154420901_56509_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 17:02:45 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dirk Kingerske) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:02:45 +0100 Subject: [kj] Finally, a 2003 photo gallery, or the start of one anyway Message-ID:

for god's sake... can't you put an OT for on topic in front of the subject line....

 

btw: nice photos would be helpful to add where they are from....

dirk

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>Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:39:37 -0500
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>For anyone who cares:
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>http://www.an-irrational-domain.net/images/band2003/page1.html
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Lieblingssong auf’s Handy laden oder Display aufpeppen – bei MSN gibt’s jetzt auch polyphone Klingeltöne & farbige Logos! Hier klicken From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 17:08:54 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:08:54 -0600 Subject: [kj] Finally, a 2003 photo gallery, or the start of one anyway In-Reply-To: <20031216163937.SWXK20010.smtp1.fuse.net@smtp.fuse.net> Message-ID: On 12/16/03 10:39 AM, "madani07@fuse.net" wrote: > For anyone who cares: > > http://www.an-irrational-domain.net/images/band2003/page1.html > > Excellent work Madani! Thanks KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 17:08:26 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:08:26 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: <200312161701.hBGH1Scw003509@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <000d01c3c3f7$534ed6c0$6d6cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3C3F7.388F7510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worthof course i was trying to give an opinion 'as = i see it "im hardly trying to give someone elses opinion am I ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alex Smith=20 To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth "Ignorance is bliss eh ,jester" Another put-down from the man who decries put-downs. "I was trying to inform you of the situation." .....er....as YOU see it, that is. "Its not a horrible argument and it does carry weight,the world is = fully aware of what goes on in taxarse,but ignorant of life in the = middle east,living under dictatorships" I don't think anyone here is making the case that Saddam was a = benevolent leader and that the world would be better off were he still = in power. But the end does not justify the means. OF COURSE he was a = tyrant and a dictator. Toppling Saddam from power and the liberation of = the Iraqi people, however, was decidedly *NOT* the expressed objective = when we moved into Iraq.=20 One more thing, Peter, and I mean this sincerely and not as a = wind-up: you decry the "Sword of Islam" (yes, I'm aware this is a = literal term from the Koran) and declare that it's an all-out war = against the religion (which, by the way, is *EXACTLY* the perspective = Osama Bin Laden wishes to project on the rest of the world) and = bullishly postulate: "WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON?", and then you turn around = and liken Anti-War Activists as Nazi Sympathizers. Weren't the Nazis, = much like your current stance on Islam, out to rid the world of Judaism? = All I'm saying is that calling someone a Nazi carries with it baggage = that will call your other arguments into serious scrutiny. I.E., it's a = strong accusation that should only be reserved for special occaissions. The world is not a place of absolutes.=20 Alex in NYC ---------- From: "peter.west410" To: Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 11:44 AM Ignorance is bliss eh ,jester I was trying to inform you of the = situation.Its not a horrible argument and it does carry weight,the world = is fully aware of what goes on in taxarse,but ignorant of life in the = middle east,living under dictatorships ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jester =20 To: Gathering =20 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth On 12/16/03 8:52 AM, "peter.west410" > wrote: the thing is i left my couch,seeing things first hand,rather than = receiving second hand information at a newsdesk,its not untill you see = young people getting tortured that you realise the situation.and if you = do now whats going on,and you dont want a change ,you should be ashamed = of yourself,and to say youre "out of touch" is not petty name calling = whilst calling someone a sap is. Wow, another "I live there/been there, argument. Shit, how much = weight would it carry for me to say, "well y'all, I live in TexASS, and = y'all just don't understand Bush's mindset. I know why he does these = things, and there is a very good reason for it. But since you don't live = here, you don't understand." (NO I don't feel that way, just an = example...have to put that here for the people who would read it, miss = the sarcasm, and freak out) Fucking horrible argument, that carry's no weight AT ALL. Sell that so called argument somewhere else.=20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!=20 OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows = or Gates?" ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3C3F7.388F7510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
of course i was trying to give an = opinion 'as i see=20 it "im hardly trying to give someone elses opinion am I
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alex=20 Smith
To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, = 2003 5:01=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence = worth


"Ignorance is bliss eh=20 ,jester"

Another put-down from the man who decries=20 put-downs.

"I was trying to inform you of the=20 situation."

.....er....as YOU see it, = that=20 is.


"Its not a horrible argument and it = does carry=20 weight,the world is fully aware of what goes on in taxarse,but = ignorant of=20 life in the middle east,living under = dictatorships"


I=20 don't think anyone here is making the case that Saddam was a = benevolent=20 leader and that the world would be better off were he still in = power. But=20 the end does not justify the means. OF COURSE he was a tyrant and a=20 dictator. Toppling Saddam from power and the liberation of the Iraqi = people,=20 however, was decidedly *NOT* the expressed objective when we moved = into=20 Iraq.

One more thing, Peter, and I mean this sincerely and = not as a=20 wind-up: you decry the "Sword of Islam" (yes, I'm aware this is a = literal=20 term from the Koran) and declare that it's an all-out war against = the=20 religion (which, by the way, is *EXACTLY* the perspective Osama Bin = Laden=20 wishes to project on the rest of the world) and bullishly postulate: = "WHICH=20 SIDE ARE YOU ON?", and then you turn around and liken Anti-War = Activists as=20 Nazi Sympathizers. Weren't the Nazis, much like your current stance = on=20 Islam, out to rid the world of Judaism?  All I'm saying is that = calling=20 someone a Nazi carries with it baggage that will call your other = arguments=20 into serious scrutiny. I.E., it's a strong accusation that should = only be=20 reserved for special occaissions.

The world is not a place of = absolutes.

Alex in=20 NYC




----------
From: = "peter.west410"=20 <peter.west410@ntlworld.com>
To:=20 <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence = worth
Date:=20 Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 11:44 AM


Ignorance is bliss eh ,jester I was trying = to=20 inform you of the situation.Its not a horrible argument and it does = carry=20 weight,the world is fully aware of what goes on in taxarse,but = ignorant of=20 life in the middle east,living under dictatorships
----- Original Message -----
From: Jester = <mailto:webmaster@killing-joke.com>=20  
To: Gathering <mailto:gathering@misera.net>=20  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:27=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth

On = 12/16/03 8:52=20 AM, "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com <mailto:peter.west410@ntlworld.com> > = wrote:

the thing is i left my=20 couch,seeing things first  hand,rather than receiving second = hand=20 information at a newsdesk,its not  untill you see young people = getting=20 tortured that you realise the  situation.and if you do now = whats going=20 on,and you dont want a change ,you  should be ashamed of = yourself,and=20 to say youre "out of touch" is not petty  name calling whilst = calling=20 someone a sap is.

Wow, another =93I live there/been there, = argument.=20 Shit, how much weight would it carry for me to say, =93well y=92all, = I live in=20 TexASS, and y=92all just don=92t understand Bush=92s mindset. I know = why he does=20 these things, and there is a very good reason for it. But since you = don=92t=20 live here, you don=92t understand.=94 (NO I don=92t feel that way, = just an=20 example...have to put that here for the people who would read it, = miss the=20 sarcasm, and freak out)

Fucking horrible argument, that = carry=92s no=20 weight AT ALL.

Sell that so called argument somewhere else.=20

KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO=20

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER=20
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There=20 is no place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or = fences, what=20 use do we have for Windows or=20 Gates?"

------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3C3F7.388F7510-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 17:18:09 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:18:09 EST Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <124.28fe7a08.2d109851@aol.com> --part1_124.28fe7a08.2d109851_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My tuppence and bollox to it. Arabs....you cant trust em, take one leader that killed them and they will replace him with another that will kill them. the kind of people that they are, they need to be subservient or they will just roam and kill one another over total fuckin nonsense. Religion. Respect god in whichever way you see him/her/it, dont impose your will on others and certainly dont kill people for their beliefs. Israel....ok here we go...the jews have been a pain in the arse to the world from day 1, caused problems wherever they have travelled, which has been extensive, their treatment of the Palestinians is absolutely unforgivable, particuarly after their own treatment at the hands of Adolph etc, which they are still blackmailing the world with, we are supposed to feel sorry for them but how can you when they are a pain in the arse and two faced to boot. I'l settle for me own thanks, leave us alone and we will do likewise, shame that will never be allowed to happen. Extremities. --part1_124.28fe7a08.2d109851_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

My tuppence and bollox to it.

  Arabs....you cant trust em, take one leader that killed them and they= will replace him with another that will kill them. the kind of people that=20= they are, they need to be subservient or they will just roam and kill one an= other over total fuckin nonsense. Religion. Respect god in whichever way you= see him/her/it, dont impose your will on others and certainly dont kill peo= ple for their beliefs.

Israel....ok here we go...the jews have been a pain in the arse to the worl= d from day 1, caused problems wherever they have travelled, which has been e= xtensive, their treatment of the Palestinians is absolutely unforgivable, pa= rticuarly after their own treatment at the hands of Adolph etc, which they a= re still blackmailing the world with, we are supposed to feel sorry for them= but how can you when they are a pain in the arse and two faced to boot.

I'l settle for me own thanks, leave us alone and we will do likewise, shame= that will never be allowed to happen.

  Extremities. --part1_124.28fe7a08.2d109851_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 17:22:53 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Rob's Arse) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:22:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <20031216172253.A07DF396D@sitemail.everyone.net> Jel. Are you my Dad? --- Jelbod@aol.com wrote: My tuppence and bollox to it. Arabs....you cant trust em, take one leader that killed them and they will replace him with another that will kill them. the kind of people that they are, they need to be subservient or they will just roam and kill one another over total fuckin nonsense. Religion. Respect god in whichever way you see him/her/it, dont impose your will on others and certainly dont kill people for their beliefs. Israel....ok here we go...the jews have been a pain in the arse to the world from day 1, caused problems wherever they have travelled, which has been extensive, their treatment of the Palestinians is absolutely unforgivable, particuarly after their own treatment at the hands of Adolph etc, which they are still blackmailing the world with, we are supposed to feel sorry for them but how can you when they are a pain in the arse and two faced to boot. I'l settle for me own thanks, leave us alone and we will do likewise, shame that will never be allowed to happen. Extremities. _____________________________________________________________ Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of worldmap.com) From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 17:26:29 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:26:29 EST Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <3a.426b8c14.2d109a45@aol.com> --part1_3a.426b8c14.2d109a45_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 16/12/03 09:24:59 Pacific Standard Time, joker@Z6.com writes: > Jel. > > Are you my Dad? > > > > > Yes son.....shame you didnt inherit my good looks and healthy head of hair though! Dad --part1_3a.426b8c14.2d109a45_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 16/12/03 09:24:5= 9 Pacific Standard Time, joker@Z6.com writes:

Jel.

Are you my Dad?






    Yes son.....shame you didnt inherit my good looks and hea= lthy head of hair though!

    Dad --part1_3a.426b8c14.2d109a45_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 17:29:00 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:29:00 -0600 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <000d01c3c3f7$534ed6c0$6d6cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154418941_288907 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable And you have still yet to address what I asked earlier. Detailed reasons, not just abstract remarks. You continue to fail. How hard of a concept is =B3real evidence=B2 for you? Fucking provide it, and get back on topic of the thread, rather than your petty little remarks. If ignorance is bliss, by the way you [DON=B9T] actually provide answers and proof to support your claims and argument, you obviously must have reached your zenith long ago. Pure ecstasy. On 12/16/03 11:08 AM, "peter.west410" wrote: > of course i was trying to give an opinion 'as i see it "im hardly trying = to > give someone elses opinion am I >> =20 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> =20 >> From: Alex Smith >> =20 >> To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net >> =20 >> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:01 PM >> =20 >> Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >> =20 >>=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>> "Ignorance is bliss eh ,jester" >>>=20 >>> Another put-down from the man who decries put-downs. >>>=20 >>> "I was trying to inform you of the situation." >>>=20 >>> .....er....as YOU see it, that is. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> "Its not a horrible argument and it does carry weight,the world is ful= ly >>> aware of what goes on in taxarse,but ignorant of life in the middle >>> east,living under dictatorships" >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> I don't think anyone here is making the case that Saddam was a benevol= ent >>> leader and that the world would be better off were he still in power. B= ut >>> the end does not justify the means. OF COURSE he was a tyrant and a >>> dictator. Toppling Saddam from power and the liberation of the Iraqi pe= ople, >>> however, was decidedly *NOT* the expressed objective when we moved into >>> Iraq.=20 >>>=20 >>> One more thing, Peter, and I mean this sincerely and not as a wind-up:= you >>> decry the "Sword of Islam" (yes, I'm aware this is a literal term from= the >>> Koran) and declare that it's an all-out war against the religion (whic= h, by >>> the way, is *EXACTLY* the perspective Osama Bin Laden wishes to projec= t on >>> the rest of the world) and bullishly postulate: "WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON= ?", >>> and then you turn around and liken Anti-War Activists as Nazi Sympathi= zers. >>> Weren't the Nazis, much like your current stance on Islam, out to rid = the >>> world of Judaism? All I'm saying is that calling someone a Nazi carri= es >>> with it baggage that will call your other arguments into serious scrut= iny. >>> I.E., it's a strong accusation that should only be reserved for specia= l >>> occaissions. >>>=20 >>> The world is not a place of absolutes. >>>=20 >>> Alex in NYC >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> ---------- >> From: "peter.west410" >> To: >> Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >> Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 11:44 AM >>=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>> Ignorance is bliss eh ,jester I was trying to inform you of the >>> situation.Its not a horrible argument and it does carry weight,the wor= ld is >>> fully aware of what goes on in taxarse,but ignorant of life in the mid= dle >>> east,living under dictatorships >>> =20 >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Jester >>>> To: Gathering >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:27 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >>>>=20 >>>> On 12/16/03 8:52 AM, "peter.west410" >>> > wrote: >>>> =20 >>>>>=20 >>> the thing is i left my couch,seeing things first hand,rather than >>> receiving second hand information at a newsdesk,its not untill you se= e >>> young people getting tortured that you realise the situation.and if y= ou do >>> now whats going on,and you dont want a change ,you should be ashamed = of >>> yourself,and to say youre "out of touch" is not petty name calling wh= ilst >>> calling someone a sap is. >>>=20 >>> Wow, another =93I live there/been there, argument. Shit, how much weight >>> would it carry for me to say, =93well y=92all, I live in TexASS, and y=92all= just >>> don=92t understand Bush=92s mindset. I know why he does these things, and = there >>> is a very good reason for it. But since you don=92t live here, you don=92t >>> understand.=94 (NO I don=92t feel that way, just an example...have to put = that >>> here for the people who would read it, miss the sarcasm, and freak out= ) >>>=20 >>> Fucking horrible argument, that carry=92s no weight AT ALL. >>>=20 >>> Sell that so called argument somewhere else. >>>=20 >>> KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! >>> OCCISIO LOCATIO >>>=20 >>> THE WEBMASTER,=20 >>> JESTER =20 >>> WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM >>> WWW.PARALLAX1.COM >>>=20 >>> There is no place like 127.0.0.1 >>>=20 >>> "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r >>> Gates?" >>>=20 >=20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154418941_288907 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worth And you have still yet = to address what I asked earlier. Detailed reasons, not just abstract remarks= . You continue to fail. How hard of a concept is “real evidence”= for you? Fucking provide it, and get back on topic of the thread, rather th= an your petty little remarks.

If ignorance is bliss, by the way you [DON’T] actually provide answer= s and proof to support your claims and argument, you obviously must have rea= ched your zenith long ago. Pure ecstasy.

On 12/16/03 11:08 AM, "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.= com> wrote:

of course i was trying to give an opinion 'as i see it "im hardly tryi= ng to give someone elses opinion am I

----- Original Message -----
 
From:  Alex  Smith <mailto:vassifer@earthlink.net>  
 
To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net
 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:01  PM
 
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
 


 
"Ignorance is bliss eh  ,jester"

Another put-down from the man who decries  put-downs.

"I was trying to inform you of the  situation."

.....er....as YOU see it, that  is.


"Its not a horrible argument and it does carry  weight,the world = is fully aware of what goes on in taxarse,but ignorant of  life in the = middle east,living under dictatorships"


I  don't think anyone here is making the case that Saddam was a benevo= lent  leader and that the world would be better off were he still in po= wer. But  the end does not justify the means. OF COURSE he was a tyrant= and a  dictator. Toppling Saddam from power and the liberation of the = Iraqi people,  however, was decidedly *NOT* the expressed objective whe= n we moved into  Iraq.

One more thing, Peter, and I mean this sincerely and not as a  wind-up= : you decry the "Sword of Islam" (yes, I'm aware this is a literal=  term from the Koran) and declare that it's an all-out war against the=  religion (which, by the way, is *EXACTLY* the perspective Osama Bin L= aden  wishes to project on the rest of the world) and bullishly postula= te: "WHICH  SIDE ARE YOU ON?", and then you turn around and l= iken Anti-War Activists as  Nazi Sympathizers. Weren't the Nazis, much = like your current stance on  Islam, out to rid the world of Judaism? &n= bsp;All I'm saying is that calling  someone a Nazi carries with it bagg= age that will call your other arguments  into serious scrutiny. I.E., i= t's a strong accusation that should only be  reserved for special occai= ssions.

The world is not a place of  absolutes.

Alex in  NYC




----------
From: "peter.west410"  <peter.west410@ntlworld.com> To:  <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
Date:  Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 11:44 AM


 
Ignorance is bliss eh ,jester I was trying to  inform you of the sit= uation.Its not a horrible argument and it does carry  weight,the world = is fully aware of what goes on in taxarse,but ignorant of  life in the = middle east,living under dictatorships
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Jester <mailto:webmaster@killing-joke.com>  = ; 
To: Gathering <mailto:gathering@misera.net>   
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:27  PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth

On 12/16/03 8:52  AM, "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com <mailto:peter.west410@ntlworld.com<= /a>> >  wrote:
 

the thing is i left my  couch,seeing things first &nbs= p;hand,rather than receiving second hand  information at a newsdesk,its= not  untill you see young people getting  tortured that you reali= se the  situation.and if you do now whats going  on,and you dont w= ant a change ,you  should be ashamed of yourself,and  to say youre= "out of touch" is not petty  name calling whilst calling &nb= sp;someone a sap is.

Wow, another =93I live there/been there, argument.  Shit, how much weigh= t would it carry for me to say, =93well y=92all, I live in  TexASS, and y=92a= ll just don=92t understand Bush=92s mindset. I know why he does  these thin= gs, and there is a very good reason for it. But since you don=92t  live h= ere, you don=92t understand.=94 (NO I don=92t feel that way, just an  example= ...have to put that here for the people who would read it, miss the  sa= rcasm, and freak out)

Fucking horrible argument, that carry=92s no  weight AT ALL.

Sell that so called argument somewhere else.  

KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO  

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER  
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There  is no place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what  use do we have for Win= dows or Gates?"




KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3154418941_288907-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 17:37:17 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:37:17 -0500 Subject: [kj] ot - ed tenpole and arthur brown gig Message-ID: <3FDEFC7D.29974.5D87CA@localhost> --Alt-Boundary-12999.6129610 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Content-description: Mail message body in case anyone near wolverhampton is into tenpole tudor and or THe crazy w= orld of arthur brown, you lucky dogs: Wolverhampton at Robin 2 on Thur 5th Feb 2004 How to buy tickets: Booking Office for Robin 2 - 01902 401211 The Leisure Factory 20-22 Mount Pleasant, Bilston Wolverhampton WV14 7LJ The Crazy Acoustic World of ARTHUR BROWN + ED TUDOR POLE 'TEN POLE TUDOR' Don't miss the original 'God of Hellfire' with the slightly mad (but not sad) Ed Tenpole Tudor. Great music, theatre and humour. A show not to miss =A39, =A310. --Alt-Boundary-12999.6129610 Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Content-description: Mail message body
in= case anyone near wolverhampton is into tenpole tudor and or THe crazy wor= ld of arthur brown, you lucky dogs:

Wolverhampton at Robin 2 on Thur 5th Feb 2004

How to buy tickets:
Booking Office for Robin 2 - 01902 401211

The Leisure Factory 20-22 Mount Pleasant, Bilston Wolverhampton
WV14 7LJ

The Crazy Acoustic World of

ARTHUR BROWN + ED TUDOR POLE 'TEN POLE TUDOR'

Don't miss the original 'God of Hellfire' with the slightly mad (but
not sad) Ed Tenpole Tudor.

Great music, theatre and humour. A show not to miss
£9, £10.
--Alt-Boundary-12999.6129610-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 17:38:06 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:38:06 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: Message-ID: <000d01c3c3fb$674af880$6d6cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3C3FB.5D885810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worthI ll get it prepared,it ll give you time to = chill out a bit aswell PS how do you make your letters so small,I feel like im shouting all the = time. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jester=20 To: Gathering=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth On 12/16/03 10:44 AM, "peter.west410" = wrote: Ignorance is bliss eh ,jester I was trying to inform you of the = situation.Its not a horrible argument and it does carry weight,the world = is fully aware of what goes on in taxarse,but ignorant of life in the = middle east,living under dictatorships Well then inform us Peter. Show us pictures and graphs, give us = detailed accounts. Prove to me that Israel is not doing horrible things. = Show a reason to believe differently..LIKE I SAID YESTERDAY to Pat. = Simply spouting off, "people get killed", when we all know about = occupation, and that aspect, do not give a good reason why we should = feel differently about certain things. You don't, and you have not = offered that, and the only thing you have offered is abstract commentary = and bitingly sarcastic comments. That carries no weight, and no = validity, and when that fact is demonstrated, YOU resort to personal = attacks. Shit man, if your going to make an argument, fucking present = detailed facts, otherwise don't fucking bother. You know, debate 101. KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!=20 OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows = or Gates?" ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3C3FB.5D885810 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
I ll get it prepared,it ll give you = time to chill=20 out a bit aswell
PS how do you make your letters so = small,I feel=20 like im shouting all the time.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jester
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, = 2003 4:53=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence = worth

On = 12/16/03=20 10:44 AM, "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com= >=20 wrote:
Ignorance is=20 bliss eh ,jester I was trying to inform you of the situation.Its not = a=20 horrible argument and it does carry weight,the world is fully aware = of what=20 goes on in taxarse,but ignorant of life in the middle east,living = under=20 dictatorships

Well then inform us = Peter. Show us=20 pictures and graphs, give us detailed accounts. Prove to me that = Israel is not=20 doing horrible things. Show a reason to believe differently..LIKE I = SAID=20 YESTERDAY to Pat. Simply spouting off, =93people get killed=94, when = we all know=20 about occupation, and that aspect, do not give a good reason why we = should=20 feel differently about certain things. You don=92t, and you have not = offered=20 that, and the only thing you have offered is abstract commentary and = bitingly=20 sarcastic comments. That carries no weight, and no validity, and when = that=20 fact is demonstrated, YOU resort to personal attacks. Shit man, if = your going=20 to make an argument, fucking present detailed facts, otherwise don=92t = fucking=20 bother. You know, debate 101.

KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH = HONOUR!=20
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER=20
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM =

There is = no place like=20 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we = have for=20 Windows or Gates?"
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3C3FB.5D885810-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 17:39:28 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:39:28 -0500 Subject: [kj] ot - ed tenpole and arthur brown gig Message-ID: <200312161739.hBGHZrd2007171@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154423168_90252_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Wow, what a double bill! I once put "Wunderbar" on a mix tape for a friend of mine. Then next time I visited, his wife literally threw the tape at my head and called me a "fuckin' NAZI!" Alex in NYC ---------- From: fluwdot@earthlink.net To: gathering@misera.net Subject: [kj] ot - ed tenpole and arthur brown gig Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 12:37 PM in case anyone near wolverhampton is into tenpole tudor and or THe crazy world of arthur brown, you lucky dogs: Wolverhampton at Robin 2 on Thur 5th Feb 2004 How to buy tickets: Booking Office for Robin 2 - 01902 401211 The Leisure Factory 20-22 Mount Pleasant, Bilston Wolverhampton WV14 7LJ The Crazy Acoustic World of ARTHUR BROWN + E= D TUDOR POLE 'TEN POLE TUDOR' Don't miss the original 'God of Hellfire' with the slightly mad (but not sad) Ed Tenpole Tudor. Great music, theatre and humour. A show not to miss =A39, =A310. --MS_Mac_OE_3154423168_90252_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] ot - ed tenpole and arthur brown gig
Wow, what a double bill!

I once put "Wunderbar" on a mix tape for a friend of mine. Then n= ext time I visited, his wife literally threw the tape at my head and called = me a "fuckin' NAZI!"  

Alex in NYC



----------
From: fluwdot@earthlink.net
To: gathering@misera.net
Subject: [kj] ot - ed tenpole and arthur brown gig
Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 12:37 PM


in case anyone near wolverhampton is into tenpole tudor and or = THe crazy world of arthur brown, you lucky dogs:
Wolverhampton at Robin 2 on Thur 5th Feb 2004 How to buy tic= kets: Booking Office for Robin 2 - 01902 401211 The Leisure Factory 20-22 Mo= unt Pleasant, Bilston Wolverhampton WV14 7LJ The Crazy Acoustic World of ART= HUR BROWN + ED TUDOR POLE 'TEN POLE TUDOR' Don't miss the original 'God of H= ellfire' with the slightly mad (but not sad) Ed Tenpole Tudor. Great music, = theatre and humour. A show not to miss =A39, =A310.

--MS_Mac_OE_3154423168_90252_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 18:00:19 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:00:19 -0500 Subject: [kj] Finally, a 2003 photo gallery, or the start of one anyway Message-ID: <20031216180019.XCPM5802.smtp2.fuse.net@smtp.fuse.net> >for god's sake... can't you put an OT for on topic in front of the subject line.... Ach, I knew I was forgetting something. >btw: nice photos would be helpful to add where they are from.... I'll look it up when I get home. I think mostly Minneapolis but will have to double check. From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 18:04:45 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:04:45 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: <000d01c3c3fb$674af880$6d6cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: <000b01c3c3ff$24de96b0$6d6cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3C3FF.1654D140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worthIts allright i ve cracked it,small letters = easy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: peter.west410=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth I ll get it prepared,it ll give you time to chill out a bit aswell PS how do you make your letters so small,I feel like im shouting all = the time. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jester=20 To: Gathering=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth On 12/16/03 10:44 AM, "peter.west410" = wrote: Ignorance is bliss eh ,jester I was trying to inform you of the = situation.Its not a horrible argument and it does carry weight,the world = is fully aware of what goes on in taxarse,but ignorant of life in the = middle east,living under dictatorships Well then inform us Peter. Show us pictures and graphs, give us = detailed accounts. Prove to me that Israel is not doing horrible things. = Show a reason to believe differently..LIKE I SAID YESTERDAY to Pat. = Simply spouting off, "people get killed", when we all know about = occupation, and that aspect, do not give a good reason why we should = feel differently about certain things. You don't, and you have not = offered that, and the only thing you have offered is abstract commentary = and bitingly sarcastic comments. That carries no weight, and no = validity, and when that fact is demonstrated, YOU resort to personal = attacks. Shit man, if your going to make an argument, fucking present = detailed facts, otherwise don't fucking bother. You know, debate 101. KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!=20 OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows = or Gates?" ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3C3FF.1654D140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] my tuppence worth
Its allright i ve cracked it,small = letters=20 easy
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 peter.west410
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, = 2003 5:38=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence = worth

I ll get it prepared,it ll give you = time to chill=20 out a bit aswell
PS how do you make your letters so = small,I feel=20 like im shouting all the time.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jester
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, = 2003 4:53=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence = worth

On 12/16/03=20 10:44 AM, "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com= >=20 wrote:
Ignorance is=20 bliss eh ,jester I was trying to inform you of the situation.Its = not a=20 horrible argument and it does carry weight,the world is fully = aware of=20 what goes on in taxarse,but ignorant of life in the middle = east,living=20 under dictatorships

Well then inform us = Peter. Show=20 us pictures and graphs, give us detailed accounts. Prove to me that = Israel=20 is not doing horrible things. Show a reason to believe = differently..LIKE I=20 SAID YESTERDAY to Pat. Simply spouting off, =93people get killed=94, = when we all=20 know about occupation, and that aspect, do not give a good reason = why we=20 should feel differently about certain things. You don=92t, and you = have not=20 offered that, and the only thing you have offered is abstract = commentary and=20 bitingly sarcastic comments. That carries no weight, and no = validity, and=20 when that fact is demonstrated, YOU resort to personal attacks. Shit = man, if=20 your going to make an argument, fucking present detailed facts, = otherwise=20 don=92t fucking bother. You know, debate 101.

KEEPING THE = FIRE ALIVE=20 WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER=20
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20

There is no place like = 127.0.0.1

"In a world=20 without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or=20 Gates?"
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3C3FF.1654D140-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 18:11:48 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:11:48 -0600 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <000b01c3c3ff$24de96b0$6d6cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: One way is to not use html formatting...that helps and makes things easier to read....go into your preferences.... On 12/16/03 12:04 PM, "peter.west410" wrote: > Its allright i ve cracked it,small letters easy >>=20 >> ----- Original Message ----- >>=20 >> From: peter.west410 >>=20 >> To: gathering@misera.net >>=20 >> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:38 PM >>=20 >> Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> I ll get it prepared,it ll give you time to chill out a bit aswell >>=20 >> PS how do you make your letters so small,I feel like im shouting all th= e >> time. >>=20 >>>=20 >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>=20 >>> From: Jester >>>=20 >>> To: Gathering >>>=20 >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 4:53 PM >>>=20 >>> Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On 12/16/03 10:44 AM, "peter.west410" wr= ote: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> Ignorance is bliss eh ,jester I was trying to inform you of the >>>> situation.Its not a horrible argument and it does carry weight,the wo= rld >>>> is fully aware of what goes on in taxarse,but ignorant of life in the >>>> middle east,living under dictatorships >>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>> Well then inform us Peter. Show us pictures and graphs, give us detail= ed >>> accounts. Prove to me that Israel is not doing horrible things. Show a >>> reason to believe differently..LIKE I SAID YESTERDAY to Pat. Simply >>> spouting off, =93people get killed=94, when we all know about occupation, = and >>> that aspect, do not give a good reason why we should feel differently = about >>> certain things. You don=92t, and you have not offered that, and the only >>> thing you have offered is abstract commentary and bitingly sarcastic >>> comments. That carries no weight, and no validity, and when that fact = is >>> demonstrated, YOU resort to personal attacks. Shit man, if your going = to >>> make an argument, fucking present detailed facts, otherwise don=92t fuck= ing >>> bother. You know, debate 101. >>>=20 >>> KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! >>> OCCISIO LOCATIO >>>=20 >>> THE WEBMASTER,=20 >>> JESTER =20 >>> WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM >>> WWW.PARALLAX1.COM >>>=20 >>> There is no place like 127.0.0.1 >>>=20 >>> "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r >>> Gates?" >=20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 18:15:21 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:15:21 -0500 Subject: [kj] ot - ed tenpole and arthur brown gig In-Reply-To: <200312161739.hBGHZrd2007171@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <3FDF0569.25960.806289@localhost> odd, maybe she should get together with peterwest > From: fluwdot@earthlink.net
> To: gathering@misera.net
> Subject: [kj] ot - ed tenpole and arthur brown gig
> Date sent: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 12:37 PM
> > > Wow, what a double bill! > > I once put "Wunderbar" on a mix tape for a friend of mine. Then next tim= e I visited, his wife > literally threw the tape at my head and called me a "fuckin' NAZI!" > > Alex in NYC > > > > ---------- > From: fluwdot@earthlink.net > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: [kj] ot - ed tenpole and arthur brown gig > Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 12:37 PM > > > in case anyone near wolverhampton is into tenpole tudor and or THe c= razy world of arthur > brown, you lucky dogs: > Wolverhampton at Robin 2 on Thur 5th Feb 2004 How to buy tickets: Bo= oking Office for Robin 2 - 01902 401211 The > Leisure Factory 20-22 Mount Pleasant, Bilston Wolverhampton WV14 7LJ= The Crazy Acoustic World of ARTHUR > BROWN + ED TUDOR POLE 'TEN POLE TUDOR' Don't miss the original 'God = of Hellfire' with the slightly mad (but > not sad) Ed Tenpole Tudor. Great music, theatre and humour. A show n= ot to miss =A39, =A310. > From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 18:24:32 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Greyson Stoehr) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:24:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] Finally, a 2003 photo gallery, or the In-Reply-To: <20031216171201.0CD42DBAE@four.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20031216182432.69074.qmail@web11207.mail.yahoo.com> Ana, I love you...but you need to let the hair comments go! (laughs) I LOVED Jaz with the long curls! (That said, I loved the "No Haircut But Forward Go" caption in another area of your site.) Grey :) From: To: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:39:37 -0500 Subject: [kj] Finally, a 2003 photo gallery, or the start of one anyway Reply-To: gathering@misera.net For anyone who cares: http://www.an-irrational-domain.net/images/band2003/page1.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 18:43:36 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Tim Bucknall) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:43:36 -0000 Subject: [kj] raven was right about ray mcveigh! References: <200312152334.hBFNYMgt007910@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <002001c3c404$8aa0c090$a7df7ad5@mycomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C3C404.83CFC1D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT: "the Sword of Islam"check out this interview what a wanker! http://www.sex-pistols.net/main.html go to the steve & paul link ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C3C404.83CFC1D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT: "the Sword of Islam"
check out this interview
what a wanker!
http://www.sex-pistols.net/= main.html
 
go to the steve & paul=20 link
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C3C404.83CFC1D0-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 19:01:54 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:01:54 -0000 Subject: [kj] ot - ed tenpole and arthur brown gig References: <3FDF0569.25960.806289@localhost> Message-ID: <001501c3c407$12e3f3d0$0d6cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [kj] ot - ed tenpole and arthur brown gig odd, maybe she should get together with peterwest why ,do you think im odd. > From: fluwdot@earthlink.net
> To: gathering@misera.net
> Subject: [kj] ot - ed tenpole and arthur brown gig
> Date sent: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 12:37 PM
> > > Wow, what a double bill! > > I once put "Wunderbar" on a mix tape for a friend of mine. Then next time I visited, his wife > literally threw the tape at my head and called me a "fuckin' NAZI!" > > Alex in NYC > > > > ---------- > From: fluwdot@earthlink.net > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: [kj] ot - ed tenpole and arthur brown gig > Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 12:37 PM > > > in case anyone near wolverhampton is into tenpole tudor and or THe crazy world of arthur > brown, you lucky dogs: > Wolverhampton at Robin 2 on Thur 5th Feb 2004 How to buy tickets: Booking Office for Robin 2 - 01902 401211 The > Leisure Factory 20-22 Mount Pleasant, Bilston Wolverhampton WV14 7LJ The Crazy Acoustic World of ARTHUR > BROWN + ED TUDOR POLE 'TEN POLE TUDOR' Don't miss the original 'God of Hellfire' with the slightly mad (but > not sad) Ed Tenpole Tudor. Great music, theatre and humour. A show not to miss Ł9, Ł10. > _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 19:10:01 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Cliff and Kara Livingston) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:10:01 -0900 Subject: [kj] Finally, a 2003 photo gallery, or the start of one anyway References: <20031216163937.SWXK20010.smtp1.fuse.net@smtp.fuse.net> Message-ID: <022301c3c408$41a32820$328b70d1@antifrz> Hi Madani that's great,thanks again... Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:39 AM Subject: [kj] Finally, a 2003 photo gallery, or the start of one anyway > For anyone who cares: > > http://www.an-irrational-domain.net/images/band2003/page1.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 17:53:39 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (wardance) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:53:39 +0100 Subject: [kj] PARALLAX 1 interview on WARDANCE.NET ! Message-ID: <00fa01c3c3fd$89ce5990$91cffea9@Wehrwolf> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F7_01C3C405.EB2AD800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, A brandnew PARALLAX 1 interview with Cliff & Kara has just been put = online ! (both in english & french versions) Check it now on my website : www.wardance.net Thanks & cheers ! Kind regards & dark lycanthropunk greetings... Hans Wehrwolf WARDANCE B.P. 10102 35701 RENNES Cedex 7 FRANCE Fax : +33 (0) 2.99.38.27.34 Website : www.wardance.net ------=_NextPart_000_00F7_01C3C405.EB2AD800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Dear all,
A brandnew PARALLAX 1 interview with = Cliff &=20 Kara has just been put online ! (both in english & french=20 versions)
Check it now on my website :  www.wardance.net
Thanks & cheers !
 
Kind regards & dark lycanthropunk=20 greetings...
 
Hans Wehrwolf
 
 
WARDANCE
B.P.  = 10102
35701  RENNES=20 Cedex 7
FRANCE
 
Fax : +33 (0) 2.99.38.27.34
Website = : www.wardance.net
 
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00F7_01C3C405.EB2AD800-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 19:36:27 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:36:27 -0600 Subject: [kj] PARALLAX 1 interview on WARDANCE.NET ! In-Reply-To: <00fa01c3c3fd$89ce5990$91cffea9@Wehrwolf> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154426588_761321 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Cheers Hans, I also have it linked from the Official Paralax1 web site. You can also go to http://parallax1.com/news.html for links to the interview, as well as al= l your other Paralax1 needs. MP3=B9s should be up soon too... On 12/16/03 11:53 AM, "wardance" wrote: > =20 > Dear all, > A brandnew PARALLAX 1 interview with Cliff & Kara has just been put onlin= e ! > (both in english & french versions) > Check it now on my website : www.wardance.net > Thanks & cheers ! > =20 > Kind regards & dark lycanthropunk greetings... > =20 > Hans Wehrwolf > =20 > =20 > WARDANCE > B.P. 10102 > 35701 RENNES Cedex 7 > FRANCE > =20 > Fax : +33 (0) 2.99.38.27.34 > Website : www.wardance.net > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 >=20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154426588_761321 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] PARALLAX 1 interview on WARDANCE.NET ! Cheers Hans,

I also have it linked from the Official Paralax1 web site. You can also go = to http://parallax1.com/= news.html for links to the interview, as well as all your other Paralax1= needs.

MP3’s should be up soon too...
 On 12/16/03 11:53 AM, "wardance" <wardance@wardance.net> wr= ote:


Dear all, A brandnew PARALLAX 1 interview with Cliff & Kara has just been put onl= ine ! (both in english & french versions)
Check it now on my website :  www.wardance.net <http://www.wardance.net>
Thanks & cheers !
 
Kind regards & dark lycanthropunk greetings...
 
Hans Wehrwolf
 
 
WARDANCE
B.P.  10102
35701  RENNES Cedex 7
FRANCE
 
Fax : +33 (0) 2.99.38.27.34
Website : www.wardance.net <http://www= .wardance.net>
 
 
 
 



KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
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 --B_3154426588_761321-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 19:47:12 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:47:12 -0500 Subject: [kj] ot - ed tenpole and arthur brown gig In-Reply-To: <001501c3c407$12e3f3d0$0d6cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: <3FDF1AF0.12155.D47B29@localhost> no..if you read the statement this was in reply to, then it would be clear that, you and the other person, have a penchant for calling people nazi's incongruously From: "peter.west410" To: Subject: Re: [kj] ot - ed tenpole and arthur brown gig Send reply to: gathering@misera.net Date sent: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:01:54 -0000 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 6:15 PM > Subject: Re: [kj] ot - ed tenpole and arthur brown gig > > > odd, maybe she should get together with peterwest > > why ,do you think im odd. > > > > > From: fluwdot@earthlink.net
> > To: gathering@misera.net
> > Subject: [kj] ot - ed tenpole and arthur brown gig
> > Date sent: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 12:37 PM
> > > > > > Wow, what a double bill! > > > > I once put "Wunderbar" on a mix tape for a friend of mine. Then next t= ime > I visited, his wife > > literally threw the tape at my head and called me a "fuckin' NAZI!" > > > > Alex in NYC > > > > > > > > ---------- > > From: fluwdot@earthlink.net > > To: gathering@misera.net > > Subject: [kj] ot - ed tenpole and arthur brown gig > > Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 12:37 PM > > > > > > in case anyone near wolverhampton is into tenpole tudor and or THe > crazy world of arthur > > brown, you lucky dogs: > > Wolverhampton at Robin 2 on Thur 5th Feb 2004 How to buy tickets: > Booking Office for Robin 2 - 01902 401211 The > > Leisure Factory 20-22 Mount Pleasant, Bilston Wolverhampton WV14 7= LJ > The Crazy Acoustic World of ARTHUR > > BROWN + ED TUDOR POLE 'TEN POLE TUDOR' Don't miss the original 'Go= d of > Hellfire' with the slightly mad (but > > not sad) Ed Tenpole Tudor. Great music, theatre and humour. A show= not > to miss =A39, =A310. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 19:57:35 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:57:35 -0600 Subject: [kj] ot - ed tenpole and arthur brown gig In-Reply-To: <3FDF1AF0.12155.D47B29@localhost> Message-ID: On 12/16/03 1:47 PM, "fluwdot@earthlink.net" wrote: > no..if you read the statement this was in reply to, then it would be > clear that, you and the other person, have a penchant for calling > people nazi's incongruously "I hate Illinois Nazi's" KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 20:05:07 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Rob Cannell) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:05:07 -0000 Subject: [kj] Geordie in Total Guitar Mag Message-ID: <014001c3c40f$ef02d680$87296851@y4e3r4> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_013D_01C3C40F.E6DB6F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good to see Geordie in Total Guitar magazine this month. There's an = excellent 1 page interview. It ends with "I've already starting writing = for the next one (album)" which sounds optimistic. ------=_NextPart_000_013D_01C3C40F.E6DB6F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good to see Geordie in Total Guitar = magazine this=20 month. There's an excellent 1 page interview. It ends with "I've = already=20 starting writing for the next one (album)" which sounds=20 optimistic.
------=_NextPart_000_013D_01C3C40F.E6DB6F80-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 20:16:35 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:16:35 -0500 Subject: [kj] Geordie in Total Guitar Mag In-Reply-To: <014001c3c40f$ef02d680$87296851@y4e3r4> Message-ID: <3FDF21D3.22727.EF6428@localhost> wow thanks for the heads up rob! is it the december issue or some other as they are typically advanced, january etc.? > > Good to see Geordie in Total Guitar magazine this month. There's an excellent 1 pageinterview. > It ends with "I've already starting writing for the next one (album)" which sounds optimistic. From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 20:20:06 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:20:06 +1100 Subject: [kj] Irrational Domain Q... Message-ID: Question about something I just saw on Madani's (excellent) site. In the Concer file, at URL http://www.an-irrational-domain.net/concertfile/93-96.html there is the following: 20 April: London, Astoria Setlist: Communion/The Fall of Because/Wardance/Whiteout/Requiem/Change/Labyrinth/Kings & Queens/Millennium/Exorcism/Love Like Blood/Complications/Eighties/The Wait/Psyche/Mathematics Of Chaos This gig is filmed for television broadcast "This gig is filmed for television broadcast". Does anyone have this? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? -S ~Analysis, Paralysis~ Jester @misera.net on 17/12/2003 04:08:54 Please respond to gathering@misera.net Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net To: Gathering cc: Subject: Re: [kj] Finally, a 2003 photo gallery, or the start of one anyway On 12/16/03 10:39 AM, "madani07@fuse.net" wrote: > For anyone who cares: > > http://www.an-irrational-domain.net/images/band2003/page1.html > > Excellent work Madani! Thanks KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering **************************************************************** NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you received this message in error please notify HIC immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of HIC. **************************************************************** From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 20:22:03 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:22:03 -0500 Subject: [kj] OK, a completely OT thread -- Pearl Jam Message-ID: <079AB3B5.386CFF32.398839F0@aol.com> Thanks Alex! I totally agree w/your analysis of Pearl Jam. All I ever hear is how "punk" they are, but the music, while not horrible, doesn't show it. I also may respect their politics, but stop saying how they are carrying on the scene--they were never part of it. From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 21:14:56 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:14:56 -0000 Subject: [kj] Irrational Domain Q... References: Message-ID: <000e01c3c419$f2f20680$6949ff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Yes ,i have a copy, but its a bootleg not from the tv station,but check out Mik Ravens web site hes got many. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 8:20 PM Subject: [kj] Irrational Domain Q... > > > Question about something I just saw on Madani's (excellent) site. > > In the Concer file, at URL > http://www.an-irrational-domain.net/concertfile/93-96.html there is the > following: > > 20 April: London, Astoria > > > Setlist: Communion/The Fall of > Because/Wardance/Whiteout/Requiem/Change/Labyrinth/Kings & > Queens/Millennium/Exorcism/Love Like Blood/Complications/Eighties/The > Wait/Psyche/Mathematics Of Chaos > > > This gig is filmed for television broadcast > > "This gig is filmed for television broadcast". Does anyone have this? > Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? > > -S > > ~Analysis, Paralysis~ > > > > > > > > Jester @misera.net on 17/12/2003 04:08:54 > > Please respond to gathering@misera.net > > Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net > > > To: Gathering > cc: > > Subject: Re: [kj] Finally, a 2003 photo gallery, or the start of one > anyway > > > On 12/16/03 10:39 AM, "madani07@fuse.net" wrote: > > > For anyone who cares: > > > > http://www.an-irrational-domain.net/images/band2003/page1.html > > > > > > > Excellent work Madani! > > Thanks > > > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! > OCCISIO LOCATIO > > THE WEBMASTER, > JESTER > WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM > WWW.PARALLAX1.COM > > There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > > "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or > Gates?" > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > **************************************************************** > NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the > addressee named above and may contain privileged and > confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient > of this message you are hereby notified that you must not > disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you > received this message in error please notify HIC immediately. > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be > the views of HIC. > **************************************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 21:28:01 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?bluce=20ree?=) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:28:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] Geordie in Total Guitar Mag In-Reply-To: <3FDF21D3.22727.EF6428@localhost> Message-ID: <20031216212801.11625.qmail@web86108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --0-588685075-1071610081=:10897 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cheers for the tip, is it the usual stuff or is there any new info? most guitar mags tend to forget to ask him about technique, chords... etc --------------------------------- BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save Ł80 when you order online today. Hurry! Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be. --0-588685075-1071610081=:10897 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

cheers for the tip, is it the usual stuff or is there any new info?

most guitar mags tend to forget to ask him about technique, chords... etc

 

 

BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save Ł80 when you order online today. Hurry! Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be. --0-588685075-1071610081=:10897-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 21:45:01 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Rob Cannell) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:45:01 -0000 Subject: [kj] Geordie in Total Guitar Mag References: <20031216212801.11625.qmail@web86108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001301c3c41d$dd80b040$87296851@y4e3r4> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3C41D.DBBB80A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bit more than normal. Obviously a bit about the ES 295, the Marshalls = and the tuning, but some stuff on his use of a Line 6 echo pedal live = with a Hush Systems Noise Gate. Nothing on technique / chords but the = mag sometimes has tabs in the following month for people they've = interviewed. Wouldn't put any money on it though. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: bluce ree=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [kj] Geordie in Total Guitar Mag cheers for the tip, is it the usual stuff or is there any new info? most guitar mags tend to forget to ask him about technique, chords... = etc -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save =A380 when you order online today. Hurry! = Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3C41D.DBBB80A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bit more than normal. Obviously a bit = about the ES=20 295, the Marshalls and the tuning, but some stuff on his use of a Line 6 = echo=20 pedal live with a Hush Systems Noise Gate. Nothing on technique / chords = but the=20 mag sometimes has tabs in the following month for people they've = interviewed.=20 Wouldn't put any money on it though.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 bluce=20 ree
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, = 2003 9:28=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Geordie in = Total Guitar=20 Mag

cheers for the tip, is it the usual stuff or is there any new = info?

most guitar mags tend to forget to ask him about technique, = chords...=20 etc

 

 

BT=20 Yahoo! Broadband - Save =A380 when you order online today. = Hurry! Offer=20 ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3C41D.DBBB80A0-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 21:51:09 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mik Raven) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:51:09 -0000 Subject: [kj] Irrational Domain Q... References: <000e01c3c419$f2f20680$6949ff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: <00d601c3c41e$be057ec0$0200a8c0@Paulas> The bootleg is the TV version just seems to have gone a little bit blue with time http://www.no35.dial.pipex.com/KillingJoke/MTVAstoria.shtml Mik ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter.west410" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [kj] Irrational Domain Q... > Yes ,i have a copy, but its a bootleg not from the tv station,but check out > Mik Ravens web site hes got many. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 8:20 PM > Subject: [kj] Irrational Domain Q... > > > > > > > > Question about something I just saw on Madani's (excellent) site. > > > > In the Concer file, at URL > > http://www.an-irrational-domain.net/concertfile/93-96.html there is the > > following: > > > > 20 April: London, Astoria > > > > > > Setlist: Communion/The Fall of > > Because/Wardance/Whiteout/Requiem/Change/Labyrinth/Kings & > > Queens/Millennium/Exorcism/Love Like Blood/Complications/Eighties/The > > Wait/Psyche/Mathematics Of Chaos > > > > > > This gig is filmed for television broadcast > > > > "This gig is filmed for television broadcast". Does anyone have this? > > Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? > > > > -S > > > > ~Analysis, Paralysis~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jester @misera.net on 17/12/2003 04:08:54 > > > > Please respond to gathering@misera.net > > > > Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net > > > > > > To: Gathering > > cc: > > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Finally, a 2003 photo gallery, or the start of one > > anyway > > > > > > On 12/16/03 10:39 AM, "madani07@fuse.net" wrote: > > > > > For anyone who cares: > > > > > > http://www.an-irrational-domain.net/images/band2003/page1.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Excellent work Madani! > > > > Thanks > > > > > > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! > > OCCISIO LOCATIO > > > > THE WEBMASTER, > > JESTER > > WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM > > WWW.PARALLAX1.COM > > > > There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > > > > "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or > > Gates?" > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************************************************************** > > NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the > > addressee named above and may contain privileged and > > confidential information. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --part1_17a.23d37620.2d10e01f_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 22:24:54 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (P) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:24:54 +0100 Subject: [kj] ot - ed tenpole and arthur brown gig In-Reply-To: <001501c3c407$12e3f3d0$0d6cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: West is best and might it right.-)))) -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of peter.west410 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 8:02 PM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] ot - ed tenpole and arthur brown gig ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [kj] ot - ed tenpole and arthur brown gig odd, maybe she should get together with peterwest why ,do you think im odd. From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 16 22:01:26 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Rob's Arse) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:01:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <20031216220128.187513942@sitemail.everyone.net> Can I have a new bike for Christmas then? --- Jelbod@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 16/12/03 09:24:59 Pacific Standard Time, joker@Z6.com writes: > Jel. > > Are you my Dad? > > > > > Yes son.....shame you didnt inherit my good looks and healthy head of hair though! Dad _____________________________________________________________ Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of worldmap.com) From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 17 02:03:09 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:03:09 -0500 Subject: [kj] ot - xmas cake recipe Message-ID: <3FDF730D.29298.22CBC53@localhost> --Alt-Boundary-1242.36486227 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Smirnoff Christmas Cake Recipe Ingredients: 1 cup of water 1 tsp baking soda 1 cup of sugar 1 tsp salt 1 cup of brown sugar lemon juice 4 large eggs lots of nuts 1 bottle Vodka 2 cups of dried fruit Sample the vodka to check quality. Take a large bowl, check the vodka again. To be sure it is the highest quality, pour one level cup and drink. Repeat. Turn on the electric mixer. Beat one cup of butter in a large fluffy bowl. Add one teaspoon of sugar. Beat again. At this point it's best to make sure the vodka is shtill OK. Try another cup .... just in case. Turn off the mixerer. Break 2 leggs and add to the bowl and chuck in the cup of dried fruit. Pick fruit off floor. Mix on the turner. If the fried druit gets stuck in the beaterers pry it loose with a sdrewscriver. Sample the vodka to check for tonsisticity. Next, sift two cups of salt. Or something. Who giveshz a shit. Check the vodka. Now shift the lemon juice and strain your nuts. Add one table. Add a spoon of sugar, or somefink. Whatever you can find. Greash the oven and piss in the fridge. Turn the cake tin 360 degrees and try not to fall over. Don't forget to beat off the turner. Finally, throw the bowl through the window, finish the vodka Fall into bed. CHERRY MRISTMAS --Alt-Boundary-1242.36486227 Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body

Smirnoff Christmas Cake Recipe


 


Ingredients:


 


 1 cup of water
 1 tsp baking soda
 1 cup of sugar
 1 tsp salt
 1 cup of brown sugar
 lemon juice
 4 large eggs
 lots of nuts
 1 bottle Vodka
 2 cups of dried fruit


 


 Sample the vodka to check quality. Take a large bowl, check the
 vodka again. To be sure it is the highest quality, pour one level cup
and drink.


 


 Repeat.


 


 Turn on the electric mixer. Beat one cup of butter in a large
 fluffy bowl. Add one teaspoon of sugar. Beat again. At this point it's best to
 make  sure the vodka is shtill OK.
 Try another cup .... just in case. Turn off the mixerer.


 


 Break 2 leggs and add to the bowl and chuck in the cup of dried
 fruit.


 


 Pick fruit off floor.


 


 Mix on the turner.
 If the fried druit gets stuck in the beaterers pry it loose
 with a sdrewscriver.


 


 Sample the vodka to check for tonsisticity.


 


 Next, sift two cups of salt. Or something. Who giveshz a shit.


 


 Check the vodka.


 


 Now shift the lemon juice and strain your nuts.


 


 Add one table.


 


 Add a spoon of sugar, or somefink. Whatever you can find.


 


 Greash the oven and piss in the fridge.


 


 Turn the cake tin 360 degrees and try not to fall over.


 


 Don't forget to beat off the turner.


 


 Finally, throw the bowl through the window, finish the vodka


 


 Fall into bed.
 CHERRY MRISTMAS
--Alt-Boundary-1242.36486227-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 17 02:44:17 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:44:17 -0600 Subject: [kj] ot - xmas cake recipe In-Reply-To: <3FDF730D.29298.22CBC53@localhost> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154452259_2288984 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Thank you for that...best recipe I have seen so far this season... On 12/16/03 8:03 PM, "fluwdot@earthlink.net" wrote: > Smirnoff Christmas Cake Recipe >=20 > =A0 >=20 > Ingredients: >=20 > =A0 >=20 > =A01 cup of water =A01 tsp baking soda =A01 cup of sugar =A01 tsp salt =A01 cup of = brown > sugar =A0lemon juice =A04 large eggs =A0lots of nuts =A01 bottle Vodka =A02 cups of > dried fruit >=20 > =A0 >=20 > =A0Sample the vodka to check quality. Take a large bowl, check the =A0vodka a= gain. > To be sure it is the highest quality, pour one level cup and drink. >=20 > =A0 >=20 > =A0Repeat. >=20 > =A0 >=20 > =A0Turn on the electric mixer. Beat one cup of butter in a large =A0fluffy bo= wl. > Add one teaspoon of sugar. Beat again. At this point it's best to =A0make=A0 = sure > the vodka is shtill OK. =A0Try another cup .... just in case. Turn off the > mixerer. >=20 > =A0 >=20 > =A0Break 2 leggs and add to the bowl and chuck in the cup of dried =A0fruit. >=20 > =A0 >=20 > =A0Pick fruit off floor. >=20 > =A0 >=20 > =A0Mix on the turner. =A0If the fried druit gets stuck in the beaterers pry i= t > loose =A0with a sdrewscriver. >=20 > =A0 >=20 > =A0Sample the vodka to check for tonsisticity. >=20 > =A0 >=20 > =A0Next, sift two cups of salt. Or something. Who giveshz a shit. >=20 > =A0 >=20 > =A0Check the vodka. >=20 > =A0 >=20 > =A0Now shift the lemon juice and strain your nuts. >=20 > =A0 >=20 > =A0Add one table. >=20 > =A0 >=20 > =A0Add a spoon of sugar, or somefink. Whatever you can find. >=20 > =A0 >=20 > =A0Greash the oven and piss in the fridge. >=20 > =A0 >=20 > =A0Turn the cake tin 360 degrees and try not to fall over. >=20 > =A0 >=20 > =A0Don't forget to beat off the turner. >=20 > =A0 >=20 > =A0Finally, throw the bowl through the window, finish the vodka >=20 > =A0 >=20 > =A0Fall into bed. =A0CHERRY MRISTMAS >=20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154452259_2288984 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] ot - xmas cake recipe Thank you for that...be= st recipe I have seen so far this season...

On 12/16/03 8:03 PM, "fluwdot@earthlink.net" <fluwdot@earthlin= k.net> wrote:

Smirnoff Christmas Cake Recipe

=A0
 Ingredients:
 =A0
 =A01 cup of water =A01 tsp baking soda =A01 cup of sugar =A01 tsp salt= =A01 cup of brown sugar =A0lemon juice =A04 large eggs =A0lots of nuts =A01 bottle Vo= dka =A02 cups of dried fruit
 =A0
 =A0Sample the vodka to check quality. Take a large bowl, check t= he =A0vodka again. To be sure it is the highest quality, pour one level cup an= d drink.
 =A0
 =A0Repeat.
 =A0
 =A0Turn on the electric mixer. Beat one cup of butter in a large= =A0fluffy bowl. Add one teaspoon of sugar. Beat again. At this point it's bes= t to =A0make=A0 sure the vodka is shtill OK. =A0Try another cup .... just in case.= Turn off the mixerer.
 =A0
 =A0Break 2 leggs and add to the bowl and chuck in the cup of dri= ed =A0fruit.
 =A0
 =A0Pick fruit off floor.
 =A0
 =A0Mix on the turner. =A0If the fried druit gets stuck in the beat= erers pry it loose =A0with a sdrewscriver.
 =A0
 =A0Sample the vodka to check for tonsisticity.
 =A0
 =A0Next, sift two cups of salt. Or something. Who giveshz a shit= .
 =A0
 =A0Check the vodka.
 =A0
 =A0Now shift the lemon juice and strain your nuts.
 =A0
 =A0Add one table.
 =A0
 =A0Add a spoon of sugar, or somefink. Whatever you can find.
 =A0
 =A0Greash the oven and piss in the fridge.
 =A0
 =A0Turn the cake tin 360 degrees and try not to fall over.
 =A0
 =A0Don't forget to beat off the turner.
 =A0
 =A0Finally, throw the bowl through the window, finish the vodka<= BR> =A0
 =A0Fall into bed. =A0CHERRY MRISTMAS


KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place = like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3154452259_2288984-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 17 03:15:28 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:15:28 -0500 Subject: [kj] chit chat? Message-ID: <3FDF8400.22675.26EF0F9@localhost> you know where From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 17 08:43:54 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:43:54 +0100 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <5db9c15e1a1b.5e1a1b5db9c1@iol.cz> true=2C myself I have seen =22Dallas=22 twice on the TV=2E=2E=2E difficul= t life in Texas isnt it=3F ----- P=F9vodn=ED zpr=E1va ----- Od=3A =22peter=2Ewest410=22 =3Cpeter=2Ewest410=40ntlworld=2Ecom=3E Datum=3A =FAter=FD=2C 16=2E prosince 2003 v 5=3A44 odp P=F8edm=ECt=3A Re=3A =5Bkj=5D my tuppence worth =3E Re=3A =5Bkj=5D my tuppence worthIgnorance is bliss = =3E eh =2Cjester I was trying to inform you of the = =3E situation=2EIts not a horrible argument and it = =3E does carry weight=2Cthe world is fully aware = =3E of what goes on in taxarse=2Cbut ignorant of = =3E life in the middle east=2Cliving under = =3E dictatorships ----- Original Message ----- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 17 11:43:46 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Thomas Kennedy) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 03:43:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT: One of the best movies I've ever seen. Message-ID: <20031217114346.60406.qmail@web80403.mail.yahoo.com> --0-295895838-1071661426=:56837 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For the 3rd straight year I saw the midnight opening show of 'Lord of the Rings' and 'Return of the King' was the best one of all of them. The raucous crowd was into it; cheers during the battle scenes and tears for the end of the trilogy. Awesome. Tom. --0-295895838-1071661426=:56837 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
For the 3rd straight year I saw the midnight opening show of 'Lord of the Rings' and 'Return of the King' was the best one of all of them.  The raucous crowd was into it; cheers during the battle scenes and tears for the end of the trilogy.   Awesome.
 
Tom.
 
 
--0-295895838-1071661426=:56837-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 17 16:02:22 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:02:22 -0500 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <343CD169.6A9CE99F.0004DF86@aol.com> Jel said: > Arabs....you cant trust em, take one leader that killed them and they will replace him with another that will kill them. the kind of people that they are, they need to be subservient or they will just roam and kill one another over total fuckin nonsense. Religion. Respect god in whichever way you see him/her/it, dont impose your will on others and certainly dont kill people for their beliefs. You could have said much the same about the Germans for the first half of this century, but these days they seem ok, well, except for Dirk. Or the French in the early 1800's, or the... I could go on forever, most countries / races have blood on their hands. We - the English - certainly do. Some of it I'm proud of, we've fought for freedom often enough, our own and other people's. But we've also fought some cynical, self-serving oppressive wars. And even in the wars I that I think we were right to fight, we did some terrible things... fire-bombing Dresden springs to mind. > Israel....ok here we go...the jews have been a pain in the arse to the world from day 1, caused problems wherever they have travelled, which has been extensive, their treatment of the Palestinians is absolutely unforgivable, particuarly after their own treatment at the hands of Adolph etc, which they are still blackmailing the world with, we are supposed to feel sorry for them but how can you when they are a pain in the arse and two faced to boot. I agree with you that Israel's treatment of the Palestinians is atrocious. I also agree that Israel has exploited the sympathy of many people over the holocaust - which sickens me. I can't count the number of times I've read someone say "by criticising Israel you are anti-semitic". Which is garbage, of course. But what you're saying sounds to me like damning individuals for the way their country behaves. And Jel, are you telling me that you don't cause trouble wherever you travel?? That's not what I've heard! Jamie PS Fucking Bolton????? WTF? We don't deserve to win the premiership if we put on that sort of performance. From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 17 17:37:46 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (death wish) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:37:46 +0000 Subject: [kj] The Big Takeover - wait for it. Message-ID: Respect to Jack Rabid's mighty fine mega-fanzine The Big Takeover who, in their 53rd issue (Belle & Sebastian cover,) pay respect to Killing Joke not only in the good album review, but by also printing the lyrics to Seeing Red on the back page AND it looks like there will be a feature on KJ in the next issue. They only publish about 2-3 times a year, so let's hope the next ish coincides with the 2004 tour. T. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 17 18:27:32 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dave Axford) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:27:32 -0500 Subject: [kj] Way OT. My smile of the day Message-ID: <002601c3c4cb$6f900320$826f8a3f@Joker> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C3C4A1.86A22D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So, it's the 100th anniversary of flight today. In celebration of this = first flight NASA built a replica of the Wright Brothers flier and = intended to have it do laps around a field in front of the press. Well, as if you couldn't guess the punch-line, the plane wobbled it's = way along the ground, the nose lifted and then dropped right into a = puddle of mud... Yep. Don't trust a bunch of overpaid, rocket scientists to do what two = bicycle mechanics could do 100 years ago. Gotta love it, Dave ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C3C4A1.86A22D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So, it's the 100th anniversary of flight today. = In=20 celebration of this first flight NASA built a replica = of the=20 Wright Brothers flier and intended to have it do laps around a field in = front of=20 the press.
 
Well, as if you couldn't guess the punch-line, = the plane=20 wobbled it's way along the ground, the nose lifted and then dropped = right into a=20 puddle of mud...
 
Yep. Don't trust a bunch of overpaid, rocket = scientists to=20 do what two bicycle mechanics could do 100 years ago.
 
Gotta love it,
 
Dave
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C3C4A1.86A22D60-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 17 21:34:05 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:34:05 +0100 Subject: [kj] czech this Message-ID: <6eb71e6ef743.6ef7436eb71e@iol.cz> http://www.tatabojs.cz/neweb/page1.htm click on video and then on underlined.... From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 17 21:40:59 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:40:59 -0500 Subject: [kj] czech this Message-ID: <200312172141.hBHLfYOf020581@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Errrr......what are we looking for here? Alex in NYC ---------- >From: >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: [kj] czech this >Date: Wed, Dec 17, 2003, 4:34 PM > >http://www.tatabojs.cz/neweb/page1.htm >click on video and then on underlined.... > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 17 21:41:53 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:41:53 EST Subject: [kj] (ot) Ickes tuppence worth Message-ID: <50.2625ae5e.2d1227a1@aol.com> -------------------------------1071697312 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For all those Ickemaniacs out there- he has a new book out. Goes into this present war some and some new "revelations" he had... -------------------------------1071697312 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For all those Ickemaniacs out there- he has a new book out. Goes into thi= s present war some and some new "revelations" he had... -------------------------------1071697312-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 17 21:58:11 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:58:11 +0100 Subject: [kj] czech this Message-ID: <6efb9b6f3bad.6f3bad6efb9b@iol.cz> clik on video and then on what is underlined=2E=2E=2E=2E funny ----- P=F9vodn=ED zpr=E1va ----- Od=3A Alex Smith =3Cvassifer=40earthlink=2Enet=3E Datum=3A st=F8eda=2C 17=2E prosince 2003 v 10=3A40 odp P=F8edm=ECt=3A Re=3A =5Bkj=5D czech this =3E = =3E Errrr=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2Ewhat are we looking for here=3F =3E = =3E Alex in NYC =3E = =3E = =3E ---------- =3E =3EFrom=3A =3Cxps1=40quick=2Ecz=3E =3E =3ETo=3A gathering=40misera=2Enet =3E =3ESubject=3A =5Bkj=5D czech this =3E =3EDate=3A Wed=2C Dec 17=2C 2003=2C 4=3A34 PM =3E =3E =3E = =3E =3Ehttp=3A//www=2Etatabojs=2Ecz/neweb/page1=2Ehtm =3E =3Eclick on video and then on underlined=2E=2E=2E=2E =3E =3E =3E =3E=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =3E =3EGathering mailing list =3E =3EGathering=40misera=2Enet =3E =3Ehttp=3A//four=2Epairlist=2Enet/mailman/listinfo/gathering =3E =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F =3E Gathering mailing list =3E Gathering=40misera=2Enet =3E http=3A//four=2Epairlist=2Enet/mailman/listinfo/gathering =3E From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 17 22:04:11 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Giancarlo Mistretta) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:04:11 -0800 Subject: [kj] czech this References: <6efb9b6f3bad.6f3bad6efb9b@iol.cz> Message-ID: There are about 10 things underlined... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [kj] czech this clik on video and then on what is underlined.... funny ----- Původní zpráva ----- Od: Alex Smith Datum: středa, 17. prosince 2003 v 10:40 odp Předmět: Re: [kj] czech this > > Errrr......what are we looking for here? > > Alex in NYC > > > ---------- > >From: > >To: gathering@misera.net > >Subject: [kj] czech this > >Date: Wed, Dec 17, 2003, 4:34 PM > > > > >http://www.tatabojs.cz/neweb/page1.htm > >click on video and then on underlined.... > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Gathering mailing list > >Gathering@misera.net > >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 17 22:19:43 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:19:43 +0100 Subject: [kj] czech this Message-ID: <6f25a46f4171.6f41716f25a4@iol.cz> check all of them=2E=2E=2E=2E I recommend ATTENTION AUX HOMMES and =A9=AB= ASTN=CCJ=A9=CD=2E =3E There are about 10 things underlined=2E=2E=2E From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 17 22:33:12 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Arvid Mork) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:33:12 +0000 Subject: [kj] Anyone seen this man lately ? Message-ID: http://www.btinternet.com/~fallofbecause/pics/KJ_Leeds/DSC00164.JPG Jon could you please mail me !? I try to email you, but get no answer !? Arvid Mork (Norway) _________________________________________________________________ Last ned nye MSN Messenger 6.1 gratis http://www.msn.no/computing/messenger - Den raskeste veien mellom deg og dine venner From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 17 22:57:20 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:57:20 -0500 Subject: [kj] czech this Message-ID: <200312172257.hBHMvAtu028092@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> But....it's nothing to do with the Joke, right? Alexinnyc ---------- >From: >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] czech this >Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:19:43 +0100 > >check all of them.... I recommend ATTENTION AUX HOMMES and =C2=B7=C3=8BASTN=C3=B9J=C2=B7=C3=8D= . > >> There are about 10 things underlined... > > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 17 23:05:40 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:05:40 -0600 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <000d01c3c3fb$674af880$6d6cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: On 12/16/03 11:38 AM, "peter.west410" wrote: > I ll get it prepared,it ll give you time to chill out a bit aswell > PS how do you make your letters so small,I feel like im shouting all the = time. Well Peter...still waiting for this compelling argument.... >> ----- Original Message ----- >> Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >>=20 >>=20 >> On 12/16/03 10:44 AM, "peter.west410" wro= te: >>=20 >>=20 >>> Ignorance is bliss eh ,jester I was trying to inform you of the >>> situation.Its not a horrible argument and it does carry weight,the wor= ld is >>> fully aware of what goes on in taxarse,but ignorant of life in the mid= dle >>> east,living under dictatorships >>>=20 >>>>=20 >> Well then inform us Peter. Show us pictures and graphs, give us detaile= d >> accounts. Prove to me that Israel is not doing horrible things. Show a >> reason to believe differently..LIKE I SAID YESTERDAY to Pat. Simply spo= uting >> off, =93people get killed=94, when we all know about occupation, and that >> aspect, do not give a good reason why we should feel differently about >> certain things. You don=92t, and you have not offered that, and the only = thing >> you have offered is abstract commentary and bitingly sarcastic comments= . >> That carries no weight, and no validity, and when that fact is demonstr= ated, >> YOU resort to personal attacks. Shit man, if your going to make an argu= ment, >> fucking present detailed facts, otherwise don=92t fucking bother. You kno= w, >> debate 101. KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 17 23:11:20 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:11:20 -0600 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <5db9c15e1a1b.5e1a1b5db9c1@iol.cz> Message-ID: On 12/17/03 2:43 AM, "xps1@quick.cz" wrote: > true, myself I have seen "Dallas" twice on the TV... difficult life in Texas > isnt it? We all own oil wells. We all live on a ranch and wear "ten gallon hats" We really do ride horses to work. We listen to both kinds of music. Country and western JR really does exist Things in Texas really are bigger. Just ask your mom, sister and girl friend. :-D KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 17 23:11:12 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:11:12 +1100 Subject: [kj] Anyone seen this man lately ? Message-ID: That's Joker Jon?! Nice dress sense - that's exactly what I was wearing when I did NOT see the Joke in Sydney. -S ~Analysis, Paralysis~ "Arvid Mork" @misera.net on 18/12/2003 09:33:12 Please respond to gathering@misera.net Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net To: gathering@misera.net cc: Subject: [kj] Anyone seen this man lately ? http://www.btinternet.com/~fallofbecause/pics/KJ_Leeds/DSC00164.JPG Jon could you please mail me !? I try to email you, but get no answer !? Arvid Mork (Norway) _________________________________________________________________ Last ned nye MSN Messenger 6.1 gratis http://www.msn.no/computing/messenger - Den raskeste veien mellom deg og dine venner _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering **************************************************************** NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you received this message in error please notify HIC immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of HIC. **************************************************************** From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 17 23:24:16 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:24:16 -0500 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <200312172324.hBHNO6tu026279@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> My wife's parents now live in Houston. The first time we went and visited them in 1999, I expected armadillos and cacti and ten gallon hats and cowboy boots and butes (sp?) and desert. I didn't see *ONE* of those things. The part of Texas Houston's in is entirely flat, very green, littered with strip malls and freeway clovers. We might as well have been in Ohio. Oh, and it's dead boring. Texas is a *HUGE* state, and counts all types of climate, sensibility and culture in its favor. Trying to sum up Texas in one fell swoop is an exercise in futility. Yes, Texas did blight the world with George W. Bush,.....but let's remember, Texas also blessed the world with the Butthole Surfers. Alex in NYC ---------- >From: Jester >To: Gathering >Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >Date: Wed, Dec 17, 2003, 6:11 PM > >On 12/17/03 2:43 AM, "xps1@quick.cz" wrote: > >> true, myself I have seen "Dallas" twice on the TV... difficult life in Texas >> isnt it? > >We all own oil wells. > >We all live on a ranch and wear "ten gallon hats" > >We really do ride horses to work. > >We listen to both kinds of music. Country and western > >JR really does exist > >Things in Texas really are bigger. Just ask your mom, sister and girl >friend. > >:-D > >KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! >OCCISIO LOCATIO > >THE WEBMASTER, >JESTER >WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM >WWW.PARALLAX1.COM > >There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > >"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or >Gates?" > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 17 23:30:27 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:30:27 +0100 Subject: [kj] czech this Message-ID: <7021b86fddda.6fddda7021b8@iol.cz> No=2C it doesnt=2E=2E=2E but its music=2C not Saddam=2E=2E=2Ehaha ----- P=F9vodn=ED zpr=E1va ----- Od=3A Alex Smith =3Cvassifer=40earthlink=2Enet=3E Datum=3A st=F8eda=2C 17=2E prosince 2003 v 11=3A57 odp P=F8edm=ECt=3A Re=3A =5Bkj=5D czech this =3E = =3E But=2E=2E=2E=2Eit=27s nothing to do with the Joke=2C right=3F =3E = =3E Alexinnyc =3E = =3E = =3E ---------- =3E =3EFrom=3A =3Cxps1=40quick=2Ecz=3E =3E =3ETo=3A gathering=40misera=2Enet =3E =3ESubject=3A Re=3A =5Bkj=5D czech this =3E =3EDate=3A Wed=2C 17 Dec 2003 23=3A19=3A43 +0100 =3E =3E =3E = =3E =3Echeck all of them=2E=2E=2E=2E I recommend ATTENTION = =3E AUX HOMMES and =3F=CBASTN=3FJ=3F=CD=2E =3E =3E =3E =3E=3E There are about 10 things underlined=2E=2E=2E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =3E =3EGathering mailing list =3E =3EGathering=40misera=2Enet =3E =3Ehttp=3A//four=2Epairlist=2Enet/mailman/listinfo/gathering =3E =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F =3E Gathering mailing list =3E Gathering=40misera=2Enet =3E http=3A//four=2Epairlist=2Enet/mailman/listinfo/gathering =3E From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 00:17:00 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:17:00 -0000 Subject: [kj] Homework for jester Message-ID: <002901c3c4fc$45dd9ca0$16086851@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C3C4FC.4194CF60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable as we go into 2004 ,the western world and muslim worlds are expanding, = they have seen the way we live and they dont agree ,(alchol,sex = equality,freedom of expression,wearing shorts,porn,etc etc ) so muslims = have declared war on the west(i dont say US,because lots of you are on = their side) proof is the terrorist attacks NY,Bali, Sa ana ,istanbul,nairobi,mombassa ,turkey again,and many more attacks = which have been thrawted. and there will be many more to come,We have = been told in London,not maybe, but when. So what shall we (excluding most of you) do about it, shall we try = to appease them,No unless we convert to islam they wont be content,so = whether we like it or not we have a war on our hands israel ,their society has so much in common with ours,while the = palestinians have so much in common with their neighbours egypt and = jordan,so you have two seperate peoples living in one country ,causing = friction ,their is no palestine,theres nether been an internationally = reconised leader,before the jews arrived it as just swamp and desert = ,before the 67 war jordan occupied the west bank,and treated the locals = even worse,and even now the palestinians have a better standard of life = than their brothers in jordan and egypt. I was unfortunate enough to find myself incarcerated in both israel and = jordan,so you can say i have inside information on the situation A palestinian suicide bomber blows himself up and goes straight to = heaven,a palestinian gets shot in the street ,again straight to heaven = .tell me whats the difference And before you say not all muslims are like that,if you can watch = arabic TV and see their point of view their is a lot of unrest in saudi(Bin ladens home), and the regime = may topple soon .Then it will be game on ,I hope my desendents wont be = bowing to mecca five times a day. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C3C4FC.4194CF60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
as we go into 2004 ,the western world = and muslim=20 worlds are expanding, they have seen the way we live and they dont agree = ,(alchol,sex equality,freedom of expression,wearing shorts,porn,etc etc = )=20 so  muslims have declared war on the west(i dont say US,because = lots of you=20 are on their side) proof is the terrorist attacks = NY,Bali,
Sa ana ,istanbul,nairobi,mombassa = ,turkey=20 again,and many more attacks which have been thrawted. and there will be = many=20 more to come,We have been told in London,not maybe, but = when.
    So what shall we = (excluding most=20 of you) do about it, shall we try to appease them,No unless we convert = to islam=20 they wont be content,so whether we like it or not we have a war on our=20 hands
  israel ,their society has so = much in common=20 with ours,while the palestinians have so much in common with their = neighbours=20 egypt and jordan,so you have two seperate peoples living in one country = ,causing=20 friction ,their is no palestine,theres nether been an internationally = reconised=20 leader,before the jews arrived it as just swamp and desert ,before the = 67 war=20 jordan occupied the west bank,and treated the locals even worse,and even = now the=20 palestinians have a better standard of life than their brothers in = jordan and=20 egypt.
 I was unfortunate enough to find = myself=20 incarcerated in both israel and jordan,so you can say i have inside = information=20 on the situation
  A palestinian suicide bomber = blows himself=20 up and goes straight to heaven,a palestinian gets shot in the street = ,again=20 straight to heaven .tell me whats the difference
     And before you = say not all=20 muslims are like that,if you can watch arabic TV and see their point of=20 view
   their is a lot of unrest = in saudi(Bin=20 ladens home), and the regime may topple soon .Then it will be game on ,I = hope my=20 desendents wont be bowing to mecca five times a = day.
------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C3C4FC.4194CF60-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 00:42:19 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:42:19 -0500 Subject: [kj] kj in classic rock mag Message-ID: <3FE0B19B.9972.2689ED@localhost> the killing joke underworld gig was favorably reviewed in the waning pages of classic rock magazine, december issue ( the one with steven tyler and gene simmons on the cover). complete with a familiar frightening pose from jaz flanked by the capped 4 stringin' "eternal 'bridesmaid' " as he was described. so kiss bagged 2 mill a night on their tour with aerosmith?! wonder what the take for the kj US tour was... From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 00:55:41 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (culture.virus) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:55:41 -0800 Subject: [kj] Way OT. My smile of the day In-Reply-To: <002601c3c4cb$6f900320$826f8a3f@Joker> References: <002601c3c4cb$6f900320$826f8a3f@Joker> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031217165012.029e4e30@127.0.0.1> Isn't that pretty much what the original did? Twelve seconds and 540 feet. Sounds like NASA wasn't far off the mark. At 10:27 AM 12/17/03, Dave wrote: >So, it's the 100th anniversary of flight today. In celebration of this >first flight NASA built a replica of the Wright Brothers flier and >intended to have it do laps around a field in front of the press. > >Well, as if you couldn't guess the punch-line, the plane wobbled it's way >along the ground, the nose lifted and then dropped right into a puddle of >mud... > >Yep. Don't trust a bunch of overpaid, rocket scientists to do what two >bicycle mechanics could do 100 years ago. > >Gotta love it, > >Dave I am culturevirus From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 01:14:11 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:14:11 -0000 Subject: [kj] P S Message-ID: <000f01c3c504$3f495f20$1dccff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3C504.3E6E1A50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I did nt write that to be argumentive,It was requested by jester.As no = one seems to be disagreeing,it seems you all agree with me. If ever you = need any more education,Let me know, Id be glad to help, goodnight=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3C504.3E6E1A50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I did nt   write that to be=20 argumentive,It was requested by jester.As no one seems to be = disagreeing,it=20 seems you all agree with me. If ever you need any more education,Let me = know, Id=20 be glad to help,
 
goodnight 
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3C504.3E6E1A50-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 01:20:27 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:20:27 +1100 Subject: [kj] P S Message-ID: And that, my friends, completes Mr West's first lecture "World Conflict For Dummies". Be sure to tune in next time when Peter presents his treatise "Making Friends The Mugabe Way". Should be a treat!! -S "peter.west410" @misera.net on 18/12/2003 12:14:11 Please respond to gathering@misera.net Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net To: cc: Subject: [kj] P S I did nt=A0 =A0write that to be argumentive,It was requested by jester.As = no one seems to be disagreeing,it seems you all agree with me. If ever you need any more education,Let me know, Id be glad to help, goodnight **************************************************************** NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the=20 addressee named above and may contain privileged and=20 confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not=20 disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you=20 received this message in error please notify HIC immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of HIC. **************************************************************** From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 01:24:44 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:24:44 EST Subject: [kj] Houston, TexASS Message-ID: <162.29bda999.2d125bdc@aol.com> --part1_162.29bda999.2d125bdc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All I know about Houston is that I lived there during the summer of 1981 (how time flies) and that I SAW KILLING JOKE FOR THE FIRST TIME THERE. Jaz had his warpaint, did the pantomime, and all else I remember is thinking that it was a great show. A friend of mine who was also there stayed up most of the night talking to Jaz after the show, and told me it was the most intense experience of his life. --part1_162.29bda999.2d125bdc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All I know about Houston is that I=20= lived there during the summer of 1981 (how time flies) and that I SAW KILLIN= G JOKE FOR THE FIRST TIME THERE. Jaz had his warpaint, did the pantomime, an= d all else I remember is thinking that it was a great show. A friend of mine= who was also there stayed up most of the night talking to Jaz after the sho= w, and told me it was the most intense experience of his life. --part1_162.29bda999.2d125bdc_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 01:27:36 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:27:36 EST Subject: [kj] Homework for jester Message-ID: <180.23ef2e0f.2d125c88@aol.com> --part1_180.23ef2e0f.2d125c88_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So why does the US support some muslim regimes (like the Saudis) and not others, irregardless of their religious extremist views? It's all about oil, Mister. --part1_180.23ef2e0f.2d125c88_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So why does the US support some mus= lim regimes (like the Saudis) and not others, irregardless of their religiou= s extremist views? It's all about oil, Mister. --part1_180.23ef2e0f.2d125c88_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 01:42:13 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:42:13 -0000 Subject: [kj] Homework for jester References: <180.23ef2e0f.2d125c88@aol.com> Message-ID: <000d01c3c508$29ebb7f0$1dccff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3C508.29235EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Its all about oil,oil that keeps our houses warm,oil that gets us = around,oil that keeps our economy going ,is nt that worth fighing for? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: GregSlawson@aol.com=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 1:27 AM Subject: Re: [kj] Homework for jester So why does the US support some muslim regimes (like the Saudis) and = not others, irregardless of their religious extremist views? It's all = about oil, Mister.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3C508.29235EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Its all about oil,oil that keeps our = houses=20 warm,oil that gets us around,oil that keeps our economy going ,is nt = that worth=20 fighing for?
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 GregSlawson@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, December 18, = 2003 1:27=20 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] Homework for=20 jester

So why does the US support some = muslim regimes=20 (like the Saudis) and not others, irregardless of their religious = extremist=20 views? It's all about oil, Mister. = ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3C508.29235EE0-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 01:55:56 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (sade1) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:55:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] Homework for jester In-Reply-To: <180.23ef2e0f.2d125c88@aol.com> Message-ID: <20031218015556.23202.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> --- GregSlawson@aol.com wrote: It's > all about oil, > Mister. > Maybe not ALL about oil. Maybe the bigger goal is to bring down China via its need for energy for booming growth. Shatter China and the next regime hopefully will let US interests finally expand,maybe. Here's an insightful "connecting the dots." (excerpt) “…China - due to their mounting energy shortage - is expecting a very cold winter, with a high death count, while the US is attempting to corner the world's oil reserves (or rather, put in more politically correct terms, the US is trying to 'protect' such reserves from "terrorists".)” (scroll down to near-end) [full text] http://www.topica.com/lists/psychohistory/read/message.html?mid=1715499175&sort=d&start=6305 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 02:51:37 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:51:37 -0500 Subject: [kj] Homework for jester Message-ID: <200312180252.hBI2qGOf010819@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154542697_39769_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit "I was unfortunate enough to find myself incarcerated in both israel and jordan,so you can say i have inside information on the situation" May we ask what for? Alex in NYC ---------- From: "peter.west410" To: Subject: [kj] Homework for jester Date: Wed, Dec 17, 2003, 7:17 PM as we go into 2004 ,the western world and muslim worlds are expanding, they have seen the way we live and they dont agree ,(alchol,sex equality,freedom of expression,wearing shorts,porn,etc etc ) so muslims have declared war on the west(i dont say US,because lots of you are on their side) proof is the terrorist attacks NY,Bali, Sa ana ,istanbul,nairobi,mombassa ,turkey again,and many more attacks which have been thrawted. and there will be many more to come,We have been told in London,not maybe, but when. So what shall we (excluding most of you) do about it, shall we try to appease them,No unless we convert to islam they wont be content,so whether we like it or not we have a war on our hands israel ,their society has so much in common with ours,while the palestinians have so much in common with their neighbours egypt and jordan,so you have two seperate peoples living in one country ,causing friction ,their is no palestine,theres nether been an internationally reconised leader,before the jews arrived it as just swamp and desert ,before the 67 war jordan occupied the west bank,and treated the locals even worse,and even now the palestinians have a better standard of life than their brothers in jordan and egypt. I was unfortunate enough to find myself incarcerated in both israel and jordan,so you can say i have inside information on the situation A palestinian suicide bomber blows himself up and goes straight to heaven,a palestinian gets shot in the street ,again straight to heaven .tell me whats the difference And before you say not all muslims are like that,if you can watch arabic TV and see their point of view their is a lot of unrest in saudi(Bin ladens home), and the regime may topple soon .Then it will be game on ,I hope my desendents wont be bowing to mecca five times a day. --MS_Mac_OE_3154542697_39769_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] Homework for jester
"I was unfortunate enough to find myself incarcerated i= n both israel and jordan,so you can say i have inside information on the sit= uation"


May we ask what for?


Alex in NYC




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From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: [kj] Homework for jester
Date: Wed, Dec 17, 2003, 7:17 PM


as we go into 2004 ,the western world and muslim= worlds are expanding, they have seen the way we live and they dont agree ,(= alchol,sex equality,freedom of expression,wearing shorts,porn,etc etc ) so &= nbsp;muslims have declared war on the west(i dont say US,because lots of you= are on their side) proof is the terrorist attacks NY,Bali,
Sa ana ,istanbul,nairobi,mombassa ,turkey again,and many more attacks which= have been thrawted. and there will be many more to come,We have been told i= n London,not maybe, but when.
    So what shall we (excluding most of you) do about i= t, shall we try to appease them,No unless we convert to islam they wont be c= ontent,so whether we like it or not we have a war on our hands
  israel ,their society has so much in common with ours,while the= palestinians have so much in common with their neighbours egypt and jordan,= so you have two seperate peoples living in one country ,causing friction ,th= eir is no palestine,theres nether been an internationally reconised leader,b= efore the jews arrived it as just swamp and desert ,before the 67 war jordan= occupied the west bank,and treated the locals even worse,and even now the p= alestinians have a better standard of life than their brothers in jordan and= egypt.
 I was unfortunate enough to find myself incarcerated in both israel a= nd jordan,so you can say i have inside information on the situation
  A palestinian suicide bomber blows himself up and goes straight= to heaven,a palestinian gets shot in the street ,again straight to heaven .= tell me whats the difference
     And before you say not all muslims are like t= hat,if you can watch arabic TV and see their point of view
   their is a lot of unrest in saudi(Bin ladens home), and t= he regime may topple soon .Then it will be game on ,I hope my desendents won= t be bowing to mecca five times a day.

--MS_Mac_OE_3154542697_39769_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 02:57:26 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:57:26 -0600 Subject: [kj] P S In-Reply-To: <000f01c3c504$3f495f20$1dccff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154539447_1683819 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable On 12/17/03 7:14 PM, "peter.west410" wrote: > I did nt write that to be argumentive,It was requested by jester.As no = one > seems to be disagreeing,it seems you all agree with me. If ever you need = any > more education,Let me know, Id be glad to help, > =20 > goodnight=20 >=20 There is plenty here to take issue with in your hate ridden email. I have seen white power folk make very similar comments. You know, =B3how the Jew is using the nigger as muscle=B2 type of thing. Same type of dribble you put here. You paint an entire culture with one brush, and indicate that you desire their extermination, in a very paranoid manner. Sounds to me, if anything you say about incarceration is true, that you fucked up, not once, but TWICE, and blame everyone but yourself. Everyone in American prisons ar= e innocent too. Da man got us down, huh Peter? Anyway... Sorry I was not expeditious enough for you in my response. I was out with m= y wife and kids for the evening shopping for the holiday, so I was no where near a computer to even read it, much less respond to it Skrewdriver. Will address this further in the morning, as we are about to set up some holiday decorations, and discuss how all minorities and other religions should be wiped off the planet. You took about 32 hours to respond to something you said you would yesterday, and I waited over 24 hours before making a request that you deliver. The you deliver a kill all the niggers...er, Jews...er Muslims...commentary. So hard to tell who you want topped off by the way yo= u type. Then, you wait just an hour before once again popping off? Sorry Pete= r beater, your not that important as to respond to at the very moment you email something. Give it a night. Unlike you, rather than sit at the PC, masturbating to pics of Keanu Reeves, some of us have real lives. And the way you spell, punctuate, and otherwise type, we KNOW, Peter, that your spanking the little peter to death. KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154539447_1683819 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] P S On 12/17/03 7:14 PM, &q= uot;peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com> wrote:

I did nt   write that to be argumentive,It was requested by jeste= r.As no one seems to be disagreeing,it seems you all agree with me. If ever = you need any more education,Let me know, Id be glad to help,
goodnight

There is plenty here to take issue with in your hate ridden email. I hav= e seen white power folk make very similar comments. You know, “how the= Jew is using the nigger as muscle” type of thing. Same type of dribbl= e you put here. You paint an entire culture with one brush, and indicate tha= t you desire their extermination, in a very paranoid manner. Sounds to me, i= f anything you say about incarceration is true, that you fucked up, not once= , but TWICE, and blame everyone but yourself. Everyone in American prisons a= re innocent too. Da man got us down, huh Peter?

Anyway...

Sorry I was not expeditious enough for you in my response. I was out with m= y wife and kids for the evening shopping for the holiday, so I was no where = near a computer to even read it, much less respond to it Skrewdriver. Will a= ddress this further in the morning, as we are about to set up some holiday d= ecorations, and discuss how all minorities and other religions should be wip= ed off the planet.

You took about 32 hours to respond to something you said you would yesterda= y, and I waited over 24 hours before making a request that you deliver. The = you deliver a kill all the niggers...er, Jews...er Muslims...commentary. So = hard to tell who you want topped off by the way you type. Then, you wait jus= t an hour before once again popping off? Sorry Peter beater, your not that i= mportant as to respond to at the very moment you email something. Give it a = night. Unlike you, rather than sit at the PC, masturbating to pics of Keanu = Reeves, some of us have real lives. And the way you spell, punctuate, and ot= herwise type, we KNOW, Peter, that your spanking the little peter to death.<= BR>
KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?" --B_3154539447_1683819-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 02:59:35 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 02:59:35 -0000 Subject: [kj] ps Message-ID: <000601c3c513$56339f20$46086851@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3C512.F7E55170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I did nt acually call anybody a nazi,I just likened the nazi = sympathisers of the thirties to the saddam sympathisers of the = day,hardley the same is it. Appologies if i sent anybody a personal E -mail tonight,I pressed = the wrong button ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3C512.F7E55170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I did nt acually call anybody a nazi,I = just likened=20 the nazi sympathisers of the thirties to the saddam sympathisers of the=20 day,hardley the same is it.
     Appologies if = i sent=20 anybody a personal E -mail tonight,I pressed the wrong=20 button
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3C512.F7E55170-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 02:59:35 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 02:59:35 -0000 Subject: [kj] ps Message-ID: <002201c3c513$28ca4160$46086851@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3C512.F7E55170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I did nt acually call anybody a nazi,I just likened the nazi = sympathisers of the thirties to the saddam sympathisers of the = day,hardley the same is it. Appologies if i sent anybody a personal E -mail tonight,I pressed = the wrong button ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3C512.F7E55170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I did nt acually call anybody a nazi,I = just likened=20 the nazi sympathisers of the thirties to the saddam sympathisers of the=20 day,hardley the same is it.
     Appologies if = i sent=20 anybody a personal E -mail tonight,I pressed the wrong=20 button
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3C512.F7E55170-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 03:05:08 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:05:08 -0600 Subject: [kj] Homework for jester In-Reply-To: <200312180252.hBI2qGOf010819@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154539909_1712352 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Since we wont hear from Peter the peter beater for a day or two, as he struggle with typing with one hand 101....my theory is this... sex /porn in public...TWICE! hahaha On 12/17/03 8:51 PM, "Alex Smith" wrote: > > "I was unfortunate enough to find myself incarcerated in both israel and > jordan,so you can say i have inside information on the situation" > > > May we ask what for? > > > Alex in NYC > > > > > ---------- > From: "peter.west410" > To: > Subject: [kj] Homework for jester > Date: Wed, Dec 17, 2003, 7:17 PM > > >> as we go into 2004 ,the western world and muslim worlds are expanding, they >> have seen the way we live and they dont agree ,(alchol,sex equality,freedom >> of expression,wearing shorts,porn,etc etc ) so muslims have declared war on >> the west(i dont say US,because lots of you are on their side) proof is the >> terrorist attacks NY,Bali, >> Sa ana ,istanbul,nairobi,mombassa ,turkey again,and many more attacks which >> have been thrawted. and there will be many more to come,We have been told in >> London,not maybe, but when. >> So what shall we (excluding most of you) do about it, shall we try to >> appease them,No unless we convert to islam they wont be content,so whether we >> like it or not we have a war on our hands >> israel ,their society has so much in common with ours,while the >> palestinians have so much in common with their neighbours egypt and jordan,so >> you have two seperate peoples living in one country ,causing friction ,their >> is no palestine,theres nether been an internationally reconised leader,before >> the jews arrived it as just swamp and desert ,before the 67 war jordan >> occupied the west bank,and treated the locals even worse,and even now the >> palestinians have a better standard of life than their brothers in jordan and >> egypt. >> I was unfortunate enough to find myself incarcerated in both israel and >> jordan,so you can say i have inside information on the situation >> A palestinian suicide bomber blows himself up and goes straight to heaven,a >> palestinian gets shot in the street ,again straight to heaven .tell me whats >> the difference >> And before you say not all muslims are like that,if you can watch arabic >> TV and see their point of view >> their is a lot of unrest in saudi(Bin ladens home), and the regime may >> topple soon .Then it will be game on ,I hope my desendents wont be bowing to >> mecca five times a day. >> > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154539909_1712352 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] Homework for jester Since we wont hear from P= eter the peter beater for a day or two, as he struggle with typing with one = hand 101....my theory is this...

sex /porn in public...TWICE!

hahaha




On 12/17/03 8:51 PM, "Alex Smith" <vassifer@earthlink.net> = wrote:


"I was unfortunate enough to find myself incarcerated in both israel a= nd jordan,so you can say i have inside information on the situation"

May we ask what for?


Alex in NYC




----------
From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: [kj] Homework for jester
Date: Wed, Dec 17, 2003, 7:17 PM


as we go into 2004 ,the western world and muslim worlds are expanding, th= ey have seen the way we live and they dont agree ,(alchol,sex equality,freed= om of expression,wearing shorts,porn,etc etc ) so  muslims have declare= d war on the west(i dont say US,because lots of you are on their side) proof= is the terrorist attacks NY,Bali,
Sa ana ,istanbul,nairobi,mombassa ,turkey again,and many more attacks which= have been thrawted. and there will be many more to come,We have been told i= n London,not maybe, but when.
    So what shall we (excluding most of you) do about i= t, shall we try to appease them,No unless we convert to islam they wont be c= ontent,so whether we like it or not we have a war on our hands
  israel ,their society has so much in common with ours,while the= palestinians have so much in common with their neighbours egypt and jordan,= so you have two seperate peoples living in one country ,causing friction ,th= eir is no palestine,theres nether been an internationally reconised leader,b= efore the jews arrived it as just swamp and desert ,before the 67 war jordan= occupied the west bank,and treated the locals even worse,and even now the p= alestinians have a better standard of life than their brothers in jordan and= egypt.
 I was unfortunate enough to find myself incarcerated in both israel a= nd jordan,so you can say i have inside information on the situation
  A palestinian suicide bomber blows himself up and goes straight= to heaven,a palestinian gets shot in the street ,again straight to heaven .= tell me whats the difference
     And before you say not all muslims are like t= hat,if you can watch arabic TV and see their point of view
   their is a lot of unrest in saudi(Bin ladens home), and t= he regime may topple soon .Then it will be game on ,I hope my desendents won= t be bowing to mecca five times a day.




KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3154539909_1712352-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 03:09:03 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Falcata-Galia Recordings) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:09:03 -0800 Subject: [kj] Intro In-Reply-To: <002201c3c513$28ca4160$46086851@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: <000c01c3c514$4d947aa0$6600a8c0@rudolph> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C3C4D1.3F713AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Hello; =20 I just joined the list. =20 My name is Rudy Carrera, and I=92ve been looking for this mailing list = for a long time. I=92m an old fan of the band and wanted to see if I could learn more by being here. =20 Regards, =20 Rudolph A. Carrera Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's Information Center http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C3C4D1.3F713AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

Hello;

 

I just joined the = list.

 

My name is Rudy Carrera, and = I’ve been looking for this mailing list for a long time.=A0 I’m an old = fan of the band and wanted to see if I could learn more by being = here.

 

Regards,

 

Rudolph A. = Carrera

Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings

http://www.falcat= a-galia.com

Tariff Records

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Rudy's = Information = Center

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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C3C4D1.3F713AA0-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 03:36:07 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:36:07 -0600 Subject: [kj] Intro In-Reply-To: <000c01c3c514$4d947aa0$6600a8c0@rudolph> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154541768_1826040 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Cheers Rudy! Welcome to insanity and hell...may your stay not be too miserable ;-) On 12/17/03 9:09 PM, "Falcata-Galia Recordings" wrote= : > Hello; > =20 > I just joined the list. > =20 > My name is Rudy Carrera, and I=B9ve been looking for this mailing list for = a > long time.=A0 I=B9m an old fan of the band and wanted to see if I could learn= more > by being here. > =20 > Regards, >=20 > Rudolph A. Carrera KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154541768_1826040 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] Intro Cheers Rudy!

Welcome to insanity and hell...may your stay not be too miserable ;-)

On 12/17/03 9:09 PM, "Falcata-Galia Recordings" <fgrecs@adelph= ia.net> wrote:

Hello;
 
I just joined the list.
 
My name is Rudy Carrera, and I’ve been looking for this mailing list = for a long time.=A0 I’m an old fan of the band and wanted to see if I co= uld learn more by being here.
 
Regards,

 Rudolph A. Carrera


KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place = like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3154541768_1826040-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 03:40:56 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:40:56 +1100 Subject: [kj] Intro Message-ID: Come inside, boy. They call this FUN... -S ~Analysis, Paralysis~ "Falcata-Galia Recordings" @misera.net on 18/12/2003 14:09:03 Please respond to gathering@misera.net Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net To: cc: Subject: [kj] Intro Hello; I just joined the list. My name is Rudy Carrera, and I've been looking for this mailing list for a long time.=A0 I'm an old fan of the band and wanted to see if I could learn more by being here. Regards, Rudolph A. Carrera Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's InformationCenter http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm **************************************************************** NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the=20 addressee named above and may contain privileged and=20 confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not=20 disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you=20 received this message in error please notify HIC immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of HIC. **************************************************************** From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 03:39:37 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 03:39:37 -0000 Subject: [kj] P S References: Message-ID: <002601c3c518$d7972640$46086851@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C3C518.8FAA3750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] P SJust to get a few things straight,I was nt going to write a = reply at all,But You did ask for it,about an hour before i wrote it , So = i thought you were still on line .I am am completely gob smacked by your = childish reply; 1. I did nt blame anyone about anything 2. Unlike you i didnt use derogatary language about anyone 3. And making silly coments about me mastabating, Grow up 4. Dont worry i wont start petty name calling ,its pathetic 5. I now my typings crap,Im still learning. 6.Dont bother replying as Im not intersted in what you have to say. Everytime people mention going to other countries ,you lose it, do you ever wished you travelled a bit more?. u Unlike you I didnt ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jester=20 To: Gathering=20 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 2:57 AM Subject: Re: [kj] P S On 12/17/03 7:14 PM, "peter.west410" = wrote: I did nt write that to be argumentive,It was requested by = jester.As no one seems to be disagreeing,it seems you all agree with me. = If ever you need any more education,Let me know, Id be glad to help, goodnight=20 There is plenty here to take issue with in your hate ridden email. I = have seen white power folk make very similar comments. You know, "how = the Jew is using the nigger as muscle" type of thing. Same type of = dribble you put here. You paint an entire culture with one brush, and = indicate that you desire their extermination, in a very paranoid manner. = Sounds to me, if anything you say about incarceration is true, that you = fucked up, not once, but TWICE, and blame everyone but yourself. = Everyone in American prisons are innocent too. Da man got us down, huh = Peter? Anyway... Sorry I was not expeditious enough for you in my response. I was out = with my wife and kids for the evening shopping for the holiday, so I was = no where near a computer to even read it, much less respond to it = Skrewdriver. Will address this further in the morning, as we are about = to set up some holiday decorations, and discuss how all minorities and = other religions should be wiped off the planet.=20 You took about 32 hours to respond to something you said you would = yesterday, and I waited over 24 hours before making a request that you = deliver. The you deliver a kill all the niggers...er, Jews...er = Muslims...commentary. So hard to tell who you want topped off by the way = you type. Then, you wait just an hour before once again popping off? = Sorry Peter beater, your not that important as to respond to at the very = moment you email something. Give it a night. Unlike you, rather than sit = at the PC, masturbating to pics of Keanu Reeves, some of us have real = lives. And the way you spell, punctuate, and otherwise type, we KNOW, = Peter, that your spanking the little peter to death. KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!=20 OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows = or Gates?"=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C3C518.8FAA3750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] P S
Just to get a few things straight,I was = nt going to=20 write a reply at all,But You did ask for it,about an hour before i wrote = it , So=20 i thought you were still on line .I am am completely gob smacked by your = childish reply;
1. I did nt blame anyone about=20 anything
 2.    Unlike you i = didnt use=20 derogatary language about anyone
3.    And making silly = coments about=20 me mastabating, Grow up
4.  Dont worry i wont start petty = name calling=20 ,its pathetic
5. I now my typings crap,Im still=20 learning.
6.Dont bother replying as Im not = intersted in what=20 you have to say.
   Everytime people mention = going to=20 other countries ,you lose it,
  do you ever wished you travelled = a bit=20 more?.
 
u
 
Unlike you I didnt ----- Original = Message -----=20
From:=20 Jester
Sent: Thursday, December 18, = 2003 2:57=20 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] P S

On = 12/17/03=20 7:14 PM, "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com= >=20 wrote:
I did = nt=20   write that to be argumentive,It was requested by = jester.As no=20 one seems to be disagreeing,it seems you all agree with me. If ever = you need=20 any more education,Let me know, Id be glad to help,

goodnight =

There is plenty here to = take issue=20 with in your hate ridden email. I have seen white power folk make very = similar=20 comments. You know, =93how the Jew is using the nigger as muscle=94 = type of thing.=20 Same type of dribble you put here. You paint an entire culture with = one brush,=20 and indicate that you desire their extermination, in a very paranoid = manner.=20 Sounds to me, if anything you say about incarceration is true, that = you fucked=20 up, not once, but TWICE, and blame everyone but yourself. Everyone in = American=20 prisons are innocent too. Da man got us down, huh=20 Peter?

Anyway...

Sorry I was not expeditious enough for = you in=20 my response. I was out with my wife and kids for the evening shopping = for the=20 holiday, so I was no where near a computer to even read it, much less = respond=20 to it Skrewdriver. Will address this further in the morning, as we are = about=20 to set up some holiday decorations, and discuss how all minorities and = other=20 religions should be wiped off the planet.

You took about 32 = hours to=20 respond to something you said you would yesterday, and I waited over = 24 hours=20 before making a request that you deliver. The you deliver a kill all = the=20 niggers...er, Jews...er Muslims...commentary. So hard to tell who you = want=20 topped off by the way you type. Then, you wait just an hour before = once again=20 popping off? Sorry Peter beater, your not that important as to respond = to at=20 the very moment you email something. Give it a night. Unlike you, = rather than=20 sit at the PC, masturbating to pics of Keanu Reeves, some of us have = real=20 lives. And the way you spell, punctuate, and otherwise type, we KNOW, = Peter,=20 that your spanking the little peter to death.

KEEPING THE = FIRE ALIVE=20 WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER=20
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM =

There is = no place like=20 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we = have for=20 Windows or Gates?" ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C3C518.8FAA3750-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 03:52:51 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Thomas Kennedy) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:52:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] Homework for jester In-Reply-To: <002901c3c4fc$45dd9ca0$16086851@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: <20031218035251.99130.qmail@web80403.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1546695653-1071719571=:98269 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You are a fucking retard. Have you ever LISTENED to Killing Joke??? I don't think so. BEAT IT. Tom. "peter.west410" wrote: as we go into 2004 ,the western world and muslim worlds are expanding, they have seen the way we live and they dont agree ,(alchol,sex equality,freedom of expression,wearing shorts,porn,etc etc ) so muslims have declared war on the west(i dont say US,because lots of you are on their side) proof is the terrorist attacks NY,Bali, Sa ana ,istanbul,nairobi,mombassa ,turkey again,and many more attacks which have been thrawted. and there will be many more to come,We have been told in London,not maybe, but when. So what shall we (excluding most of you) do about it, shall we try to appease them,No unless we convert to islam they wont be content,so whether we like it or not we have a war on our hands israel ,their society has so much in common with ours,while the palestinians have so much in common with their neighbours egypt and jordan,so you have two seperate peoples living in one country ,causing friction ,their is no palestine,theres nether been an internationally reconised leader,before the jews arrived it as just swamp and desert ,before the 67 war jordan occupied the west bank,and treated the locals even worse,and even now the palestinians have a better standard of life than their brothers in jordan and egypt. I was unfortunate enough to find myself incarcerated in both israel and jordan,so you can say i have inside information on the situation A palestinian suicide bomber blows himself up and goes straight to heaven,a palestinian gets shot in the street ,again straight to heaven .tell me whats the difference And before you say not all muslims are like that,if you can watch arabic TV and see their point of view their is a lot of unrest in saudi(Bin ladens home), and the regime may topple soon .Then it will be game on ,I hope my desendents wont be bowing to mecca five times a day. --0-1546695653-1071719571=:98269 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
You are a fucking retard.  Have you ever LISTENED to Killing Joke???   I don't think so.  BEAT IT.
 
Tom.


"peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com> wrote:
as we go into 2004 ,the western world and muslim worlds are expanding, they have seen the way we live and they dont agree ,(alchol,sex equality,freedom of expression,wearing shorts,porn,etc etc ) so  muslims have declared war on the west(i dont say US,because lots of you are on their side) proof is the terrorist attacks NY,Bali,
Sa ana ,istanbul,nairobi,mombassa ,turkey again,and many more attacks which have been thrawted. and there will be many more to come,We have been told in London,not maybe, but when.
    So what shall we (excluding most of you) do about it, shall we try to appease them,No unless we convert to islam they wont be content,so whether we like it or not we have a war on our hands
  israel ,their society has so much in common with ours,while the palestinians have so much in common with their neighbours egypt and jordan,so you have two seperate peoples living in one country ,causing friction ,their is no palestine,theres nether been an internationally reconised leader,before the jews arrived it as just swamp and desert ,before the 67 war jordan occupied the west bank,and treated the locals even worse,and even now the palestinians have a better standard of life than their brothers in jordan and egypt.
 I was unfortunate enough to find myself incarcerated in both israel and jordan,so you can say i have inside information on the situation
  A palestinian suicide bomber blows himself up and goes straight to heaven,a palestinian gets shot in the street ,again straight to heaven .tell me whats the difference
     And before you say not all muslims are like that,if you can watch arabic TV and see their point of view
   their is a lot of unrest in saudi(Bin ladens home), and the regime may topple soon .Then it will be game on ,I hope my desendents wont be bowing to mecca five times a day.
--0-1546695653-1071719571=:98269-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 04:04:19 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:04:19 EST Subject: [kj] Homework for jester Message-ID: <15d.2a0e2822.2d128143@aol.com> --part1_15d.2a0e2822.2d128143_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DEFINITELY NOT. The US alone has plenty of oil--in fact, a section of businessmen were actually against Gulf War I because they wanted to sell their own oil, rather than use gov. resources fighting to control Middle East oil. The US actually gets most of its oil from places besides the Mid East (Venezuela, for example). It's just that the M.E. oil is the cheapest to get (it is closer to the ground). It's all about the US controlling who can buy the oil, and at what prices (that's why France and Russia were against the war; not because their leaders are pure pacifists). Besides, EVEN IF we really needed their oil, it would never be worth firing a single shot for. The rich businessmen only benefit; they are the ones who sell it. There is plenty of energy to go around; the oil companies screw it up and cause deadly wars for their own benefit. --part1_15d.2a0e2822.2d128143_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DEFINITELY NOT. The US alone has pl= enty of oil--in fact, a section of businessmen were actually against Gulf Wa= r I because they wanted to sell their own oil, rather than use gov. resource= s fighting to control Middle East oil. The US actually gets most of its oil=20= from places besides the Mid East (Venezuela, for example). It's just that th= e M.E. oil is the cheapest to get (it is closer to the ground). It's all abo= ut the US controlling who can buy the oil, and at what prices (that's why Fr= ance and Russia were against the war; not because their leaders are pure pac= ifists). Besides, EVEN IF we really needed their oil, it would never be wort= h firing a single shot for. The rich businessmen only benefit; they are the=20= ones who sell it. There is plenty of energy to go around; the oil companies=20= screw it up and cause deadly wars for their own benefit. --part1_15d.2a0e2822.2d128143_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 04:41:55 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Falcata-Galia Recordings) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:41:55 -0800 Subject: [kj] P S In-Reply-To: <002601c3c518$d7972640$46086851@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: <000801c3c521$445bb7c0$6600a8c0@rudolph> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3C4DE.363877C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Man, it=92s the greatest thing in the world, traveling. Puts the sorry sacks in line when they bitch about another place, and you can correct them about it. I just got back from a 6 month stay in Macedonia myself. =20 Regards, =20 Rudolph A. Carrera Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's Information Center http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of peter.west410 Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 7:40 PM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] P S =20 Just to get a few things straight,I was nt going to write a reply at all,But You did ask for it,about an hour before i wrote it , So i thought you were still on line .I am am completely gob smacked by your childish reply; 1. I did nt blame anyone about anything 2. Unlike you i didnt use derogatary language about anyone 3. And making silly coments about me mastabating, Grow up 4. Dont worry i wont start petty name calling ,its pathetic 5. I now my typings crap,Im still learning. 6.Dont bother replying as Im not intersted in what you have to say. Everytime people mention going to other countries ,you lose it, do you ever wished you travelled a bit more?. =20 u =20 Unlike you I didnt ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jester =20 To: Gathering =20 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 2:57 AM Subject: Re: [kj] P S =20 On 12/17/03 7:14 PM, "peter.west410" wrote: I did nt write that to be argumentive,It was requested by jester.As no one seems to be disagreeing,it seems you all agree with me. If ever you need any more education,Let me know, Id be glad to help, goodnight=20 There is plenty here to take issue with in your hate ridden email. I have seen white power folk make very similar comments. You know, =93how the Jew is using the nigger as muscle=94 type of thing. Same type of dribble you put here. You paint an entire culture with one brush, and indicate that you desire their extermination, in a very paranoid manner. Sounds to me, if anything you say about incarceration is true, that you fucked up, not once, but TWICE, and blame everyone but yourself. Everyone in American prisons are innocent too. Da man got us down, huh Peter? Anyway... Sorry I was not expeditious enough for you in my response. I was out with my wife and kids for the evening shopping for the holiday, so I was no where near a computer to even read it, much less respond to it Skrewdriver. Will address this further in the morning, as we are about to set up some holiday decorations, and discuss how all minorities and other religions should be wiped off the planet.=20 You took about 32 hours to respond to something you said you would yesterday, and I waited over 24 hours before making a request that you deliver. The you deliver a kill all the niggers...er, Jews...er Muslims...commentary. So hard to tell who you want topped off by the way you type. Then, you wait just an hour before once again popping off? Sorry Peter beater, your not that important as to respond to at the very moment you email something. Give it a night. Unlike you, rather than sit at the PC, masturbating to pics of Keanu Reeves, some of us have real lives. And the way you spell, punctuate, and otherwise type, we KNOW, Peter, that your spanking the little peter to death. KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!=20 OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?"=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3C4DE.363877C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] P S

Man, it’s the greatest = thing in the world, traveling.=A0 Puts the sorry sacks in line when they bitch = about another place, and you can correct them about it.=A0 I just got back = from a 6 month stay in Macedonia myself.

 

Regards,

 

Rudolph A. = Carrera

Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings

http://www.falcat= a-galia.com

Tariff Records

http://www.tariff= records.com

Rudy's Information Center

http://members.tr= ipod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm

 

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: = gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of peter.west410
Sent: Wednesday, December = 17, 2003 7:40 PM
To: = gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] P = S

 

Just to get a few things = straight,I was nt going to write a reply at all,But You did ask for it,about an = hour before i wrote it , So i thought you were still on line .I am am = completely gob smacked by your childish reply;

1. I did nt blame = anyone about anything

 2.    = Unlike you i didnt use derogatary language about anyone

3.    And = making silly coments about me mastabating, Grow up

4.  Dont worry i wont = start petty name calling ,its pathetic

5. I now my typings = crap,Im still learning.

6.Dont bother replying as = Im not intersted in what you have to say.

   Everytime = people mention going to other countries ,you lose it,

  do you ever wished = you travelled a bit more?.

 

u

 

Unlike you I didnt ----- = Original Message -----

From: Jester

To:<= /font> Gathering

Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 2:57 AM

Subject: Re: [kj] P S

 

On 12/17/03 7:14 PM, "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com= > wrote:

I did nt   write that to be argumentive,It was requested by = jester.As no one seems to be disagreeing,it seems you all agree with me. If ever = you need any more education,Let me know, Id be glad to help,

goodnight

There is plenty here to = take issue with in your hate ridden email. I have seen white power folk make very = similar comments. You know, “how the Jew is using the nigger as = muscle” type of thing. Same type of dribble you put here. You paint an entire = culture with one brush, and indicate that you desire their extermination, in a = very paranoid manner. Sounds to me, if anything you say about incarceration = is true, that you fucked up, not once, but TWICE, and blame everyone but = yourself. Everyone in American prisons are innocent too. Da man got us down, huh = Peter?

Anyway...

Sorry I was not expeditious enough for you in my response. I was out = with my wife and kids for the evening shopping for the holiday, so I was no = where near a computer to even read it, much less respond to it Skrewdriver. Will = address this further in the morning, as we are about to set up some holiday decorations, and discuss how all minorities and other religions should = be wiped off the planet.

You took about 32 hours to respond to something you said you would = yesterday, and I waited over 24 hours before making a request that you deliver. The = you deliver a kill all the niggers...er, Jews...er Muslims...commentary. So = hard to tell who you want topped off by the way you type. Then, you wait just an = hour before once again popping off? Sorry Peter beater, your not that = important as to respond to at the very moment you email something. Give it a night. = Unlike you, rather than sit at the PC, masturbating to pics of Keanu Reeves, = some of us have real lives. And the way you spell, punctuate, and otherwise = type, we KNOW, Peter, that your spanking the little peter to death.

KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! =
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for = Windows or Gates?"

------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3C4DE.363877C0-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 04:42:11 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Falcata-Galia Recordings) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:42:11 -0800 Subject: [kj] Intro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000d01c3c521$509b6620$6600a8c0@rudolph> I'm glad someone used that line... Regards, Rudolph A. Carrera Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's Information Center http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of scott.lambeth@hic.gov.au Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 7:41 PM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Intro Come inside, boy. They call this FUN... -S ~Analysis, Paralysis~ "Falcata-Galia Recordings" @misera.net on 18/12/2003 14:09:03 Please respond to gathering@misera.net Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net To: cc: Subject: [kj] Intro Hello; I just joined the list. My name is Rudy Carrera, and I've been looking for this mailing list for a long time.=A0 I'm an old fan of the band and wanted to see if I could learn more by being here. Regards, Rudolph A. Carrera Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's InformationCenter http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm **************************************************************** NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the=20 addressee named above and may contain privileged and=20 confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not=20 disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you=20 received this message in error please notify HIC immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of HIC. **************************************************************** _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 04:42:41 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Falcata-Galia Recordings) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:42:41 -0800 Subject: [kj] Intro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000e01c3c521$624668c0$6600a8c0@rudolph> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3C4DE.542328C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh, I=92m sure this will be interesting. Thanks for the welcome, = Jester. =20 Regards, =20 Rudolph A. Carrera Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's Information Center http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of Jester Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 7:36 PM To: Gathering Subject: Re: [kj] Intro =20 Cheers Rudy! Welcome to insanity and hell...may your stay not be too miserable ;-) On 12/17/03 9:09 PM, "Falcata-Galia Recordings" wrote: Hello; =20 I just joined the list. =20 My name is Rudy Carrera, and I=92ve been looking for this mailing list = for a long time. I=92m an old fan of the band and wanted to see if I could learn more by being here. =20 Regards, Rudolph A. Carrera KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!=20 OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3C4DE.542328C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] Intro

Oh, I’m sure this will be interesting.=A0 Thanks for the welcome, Jester.

 

Regards,

 

Rudolph A. = Carrera

Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings

http://www.falcat= a-galia.com

Tariff Records

http://www.tariff= records.com

Rudy's Information Center

http://members.tr= ipod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm

 

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: = gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of Jester
Sent: Wednesday, December = 17, 2003 7:36 PM
To: Gathering
Subject: Re: [kj] = Intro

 

Cheers Rudy!

Welcome to insanity and hell...may your stay not be too miserable = ;-)

On 12/17/03 9:09 PM, "Falcata-Galia Recordings" <fgrecs@adelphia.net> wrote:

Hello;
 
I just joined the list.
 
My name is Rudy Carrera, and I’ve been looking for this mailing = list for a long time.  I’m an old fan of the band and wanted to see if = I could learn more by being here.
 
Regards,

Rudolph A. Carrera



KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! =
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for = Windows or Gates?"

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3C4DE.542328C0-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 04:45:58 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:45:58 -0600 Subject: [kj] P S In-Reply-To: <002601c3c518$d7972640$46086851@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: On 12/17/03 9:39 PM, "peter.west410" wrote: > Just to get a few things straight,I was nt going to write a reply at all,= But > You did ask for it,about an hour before i wrote it , So i thought you wer= e > still on line .I am am completely gob smacked by your childish reply; Aw, poor Peter. Guess your arse is still puckered from prison sex. > 1. I did nt blame anyone about anything No, you just use criminal activity as some sort of a badge. Word up, homeboy! > 2. Unlike you i didnt use derogatary language about anyone On the contrary Peter. You have used derogatory language towards many on this very list, and they have commented on it several times over the past two days. Your entire post about why we should hate Islam was nothing but a load of hate, supported by no facts, other than you have been arrested. WOW= ! > 3. And making silly coments about me mastabating, Grow up That the best you can do? Excellent retort! So it is true then. > 4. Dont worry i wont start petty name calling ,its pathetic You=B9ve been doing that all along. Not only are you completely full of shit, but then you think we actually buy into it. Funny. > 5. I now my typings crap,Im still learning. You know that ones mannerisms, spelling, and overall language, speak volume= s as far as credibility goes. Right about now, your credability is very much in the red. You still have yet to provide ANY facts other than jail time, for which you have yet to answer Alex's question as to WHY. Yet, you can take the time to reply to me, in an email you say offended you so. Very odd= , to say the least. > 6.Dont bother replying as Im not intersted in what you have to say. Yeah, I make it my personal policy to mind what someone who cant type, cant spell, and has a complete inability to make an argument based on actual facts. I hope this pisses you off, offends you, and otherwise makes your head explode with utter disgust at my defiance. > Everytime people mention going to other countries ,you lose it, You know, I think your inability to type represents your inability to read and comprehend as well. I lose it when people jump into the fire and have n= o facts. Seems to me the only travel you have made is to cell block 4. "Tell me Joey, have you ever been to a Turkish prison?" > do you ever wished you travelled a bit more?. Yeah, can I hang with you? I always wanted to take a trip to nowhere. KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 04:55:03 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:55:03 -0600 Subject: [kj] P S In-Reply-To: <000801c3c521$445bb7c0$6600a8c0@rudolph> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154546504_2082124 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable On 12/17/03 10:41 PM, "Falcata-Galia Recordings" wrote: > Man, it=B9s the greatest thing in the world, traveling.=A0 Puts the sorry sac= ks in > line when they bitch about another place, and you can correct them about = it.=A0 > I just got back from a 6 month stay in Macedonia myself. > =20 >=20 I like to travel so I can decide what people and cultures to eradicate from the face of the earth. KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154546504_2082124 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] P S On 12/17/03 10:41 PM, &= quot;Falcata-Galia Recordings" <fgrecs@adelphia.net> wrote:

Man, it’s the greatest thing i= n the world, traveling.=A0 Puts the sorry sacks in line when they bitch about = another place, and you can correct them about it.=A0 I just got back from a 6 = month stay in Macedonia myself.
 

I like to travel so I can decide what people and cultures t= o eradicate from the face of the earth.


KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place = like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3154546504_2082124-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 04:58:34 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Falcata-Galia Recordings) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:58:34 -0800 Subject: [kj] P S In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001e01c3c523$9a3ad520$6600a8c0@rudolph> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C3C4E0.8C179520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That so? Go to the Balkans then, amigo. You may find them doing it to themselves gladly. That=92s what I found. =20 Regards, =20 Rudolph A. Carrera Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's Information Center http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of Jester Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:55 PM To: Gathering Subject: Re: [kj] P S =20 On 12/17/03 10:41 PM, "Falcata-Galia Recordings" wrote: Man, it=92s the greatest thing in the world, traveling. Puts the sorry sacks in line when they bitch about another place, and you can correct them about it. I just got back from a 6 month stay in Macedonia myself. =20 I like to travel so I can decide what people and cultures to eradicate from the face of the earth.=20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!=20 OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C3C4E0.8C179520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] P S

That so?=A0 Go to the Balkans = then, amigo.=A0 You may find them doing it to themselves gladly.=A0 = That’s what I found.

 

Regards,

 

Rudolph A. = Carrera

Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings

http://www.falcat= a-galia.com

Tariff Records

http://www.tariff= records.com

Rudy's Information Center

http://members.tr= ipod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm

 

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: = gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of Jester
Sent: Wednesday, December = 17, 2003 8:55 PM
To: Gathering
Subject: Re: [kj] P = S

 

On 12/17/03 10:41 PM, "Falcata-Galia Recordings" <fgrecs@adelphia.net> wrote:

Man, it’s the greatest thing in = the world, traveling.  Puts the sorry sacks in line when they bitch = about another place, and you can correct them about it.  I just got back = from a 6 month stay in Macedonia myself.
 

I like to travel so I can = decide what people and cultures to eradicate from the face of the earth.


KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! =
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for = Windows or Gates?"

------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C3C4E0.8C179520-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 06:35:05 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:35:05 EST Subject: Fwd: [kj] Intro Message-ID: --part1_ea.437fbbcf.2d12a499_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ea.437fbbcf.2d12a499_alt_boundary" --part1_ea.437fbbcf.2d12a499_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings Rudy, I think you will find this place interesting since joining earlier this year have been chatting and meeting lots of Gatherers ,certainly made my life more bearable. Also incase Im not on line form now til xmas (getting hellishly busy at work and after it will be frenetic) may i take this oppertunity to wish all Gatherers a happy Christmas and as 2003 was the year of the Joke , may it continue in 2004. Burn, burn, burn brightly. Dave --part1_ea.437fbbcf.2d12a499_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings Rudy,

I think you will find this place interesting since joining earlier this year= have been chatting and meeting lots of Gatherers ,certainly made my life mo= re bearable.

Also incase Im not on line form now til xmas (getting hellishly busy at work= and after it will be frenetic) may i take this oppertunity to wish all Gath= erers a happy Christmas and as 2003 was the year of the Joke , may it contin= ue in 2004.

Burn, burn, burn brightly.

Dave
 --part1_ea.437fbbcf.2d12a499_alt_boundary-- --part1_ea.437fbbcf.2d12a499_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-xi03.mx.aol.com (rly-xi03.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.8]) by air-xi02.mail.aol.com (v97.14) with ESMTP id MAILINXI22-4d53fe130eb37f; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:45:55 -0500 Received: from four.pairlist.net (four.pairlist.net [216.92.1.120]) by rly-xi03.mx.aol.com (v97.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXI37-4d53fe130eb37f; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:45:31 -0500 Received: from four.pairlist.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by four.pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC34DDB3D; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:45:30 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: gathering@four.pairlist.net Received: from mu.pair.com (mu.pair.com [209.68.1.23]) by four.pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 01003DAB1 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:43:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 97586 invoked by uid 7122); 18 Dec 2003 04:43:23 -0000 Delivered-To: misera-misera:net-gathering@misera.net Received: (qmail 97579 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 04:43:23 -0000 Received: from mta11.adelphia.net (68.168.78.205) by mu.pair.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 04:43:23 -0000 Received: from rudolph ([68.169.180.249]) by mta11.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031218044252.ICXA13090.mta11.adelphia.net@rudolph> for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:42:52 -0500 From: "Falcata-Galia Recordings" To: Subject: RE: [kj] Intro Message-ID: <000e01c3c521$624668c0$6600a8c0@rudolph> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3C4DE.542328C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: gathering-admin@misera.net Errors-To: gathering-admin@misera.net X-BeenThere: gathering@misera.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gathering@misera.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:42:41 -0800 X-AOL-IP: 216.92.1.120 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3C4DE.542328C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh, I=92m sure this will be interesting. Thanks for the welcome, Jester. =20 Regards, =20 Rudolph A. Carrera Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's Information Center http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of Jester Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 7:36 PM To: Gathering Subject: Re: [kj] Intro =20 Cheers Rudy! Welcome to insanity and hell...may your stay not be too miserable ;-) On 12/17/03 9:09 PM, "Falcata-Galia Recordings" wrote: Hello; =20 I just joined the list. =20 My name is Rudy Carrera, and I=92ve been looking for this mailing list for a long time. I=92m an old fan of the band and wanted to see if I could learn more by being here. =20 Regards, Rudolph A. Carrera KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!=20 OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3C4DE.542328C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] Intro

Oh, I’m sure this=20= will be interesting.=A0 Thanks for the welcome, Jester.

 

Regards,

 

Rudolph A. Carrera<= /font>

Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings

http://www.falcata-galia.com

Tariff Records

http://www.tariffrecords.com

Rudy's Information Center

http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm

 

 

-----Original Message-= ----
From: gathering-admin@misera.= net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On B= ehalf Of Jester
Sent: Wednesday, December 17,= 2003 7:36 PM
To: Gathering
Subject: Re: [kj] Intro

 

Cheers Rudy!

Welcome to insanity and hell...may your stay not be too miserable ;-)

On 12/17/03 9:09 PM, "Falcata-Galia Recordings" <fgrecs@adelphia.net> wrote:

Hello;
 
I just joined the list.
 
My name is Rudy Carrera, and I’ve been looking for this mailing list f= or a long time.  I’m an old fan of the band and wanted to see if I could learn more by being here.
 
Regards,

Rudolph A. Carrera<= /p>



KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?"

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3C4DE.542328C0-- --part1_ea.437fbbcf.2d12a499_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 07:01:32 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:01:32 +0100 Subject: [kj] Homework for jester Message-ID: <714ee97193ee.7193ee714ee9@iol.cz> the test: palestinians are suicide bombers because: a) they live better than people in Jordan and Egypt b) they hate shorts, porn and alcohol c) they go to heaven afterwards Peter, send it as a proposal to some comedy show, Monty Pythons would definitely welcome such suggestions. other thing: CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS AND THE REMAKING OF WORLD ORDER, Samuel P. Huntington, is the latest bible of "old" racism and colonialistic attitude. that is an ideological source of what Peter West (is Best) might (is right) like to say, albeit in even more primitive language style. Pavel From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 09:12:38 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Falcata-Galia Recordings) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:12:38 -0800 Subject: [kj] Homework for jester In-Reply-To: <714ee97193ee.7193ee714ee9@iol.cz> Message-ID: <000301c3c547$19095de0$6600a8c0@rudolph> Poor test, boyo. The real answer is because 1) the boys know their families get paid to do it and 2) they can't fight Israel any other way. I have plenty of issues with Israel, but the Palestinian way is extremely stupid, killing off their future in that way. And the Muslim fanatics do indeed hate porn and alcohol. Major tenant in Islam. Read the Koran. Regards, Rudolph A. Carrera Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's Information Center http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of xps1@quick.cz Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:02 PM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Homework for jester the test: palestinians are suicide bombers because: a) they live better than people in Jordan and Egypt b) they hate shorts, porn and alcohol c) they go to heaven afterwards Peter, send it as a proposal to some comedy show, Monty Pythons would definitely welcome such suggestions.=20 other thing: CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS AND THE REMAKING OF WORLD ORDER, Samuel P. Huntington, is the latest bible of "old" racism and colonialistic attitude. that is an ideological source of what Peter West (is Best) might (is right) like to say, albeit in even more primitive language style. Pavel _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 09:13:37 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Falcata-Galia Recordings) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:13:37 -0800 Subject: [kj] Intro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c3c547$3c225a20$6600a8c0@rudolph> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3C504.2DFF1A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dave; =20 Just peeking around, I can see who is and isn=92t going to be a headache here. Thanks for the well-wishes, and Merry Christmas to you too (although I don=92t celebrate until 7 January). =20 Regards, =20 Rudolph A. Carrera Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's Information Center http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of Wrightdvdw@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:35 PM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Fwd: [kj] Intro =20 Greetings Rudy, I think you will find this place interesting since joining earlier this year have been chatting and meeting lots of Gatherers ,certainly made my life more bearable. Also incase Im not on line form now til xmas (getting hellishly busy at work and after it will be frenetic) may i take this oppertunity to wish all Gatherers a happy Christmas and as 2003 was the year of the Joke , may it continue in 2004. Burn, burn, burn brightly. Dave ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3C504.2DFF1A20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Dave;

 

Just peeking around, I can see = who is and isn’t going to be a headache here.  Thanks for the = well-wishes, and Merry Christmas to you too (although I don’t celebrate until 7 January).

 

Regards,

 

Rudolph A. = Carrera

Falçata-Ga= lia Recordings

http://www.falcat= a-galia.com

Tariff Records

http://www.tariff= records.com

Rudy's Information Center

http://members.tr= ipod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm

 

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: = gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of Wrightdvdw@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, December = 17, 2003 10:35 PM
To: = gathering@misera.net
Subject: Fwd: [kj] = Intro

 


Greetings Rudy,

I think you will find this place interesting since joining earlier this = year have been chatting and meeting lots of Gatherers ,certainly made my life = more bearable.

Also incase Im not on line form now til xmas (getting hellishly busy at = work and after it will be frenetic) may i take this oppertunity to wish all Gatherers a happy Christmas and as 2003 was the year of the Joke , may = it continue in 2004.

Burn, burn, burn brightly.

Dave

------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C3C504.2DFF1A20-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 10:18:32 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 05:18:32 -0500 Subject: [kj] ps Message-ID: <09B8A13A.5FB62B9C.0004DF86@aol.com> Peter, Actually, you made the equation anti-war = pro-Saddam, and then said they were like nazi-sympathisers. Have you really swallowed the idea that anti-war = pro-Saddam (as opposed merely to using it as a handy insult)? If so, that says a lot for the level of thought you've put into this subject. Jamie >I did nt acually call anybody a nazi,I just likened the nazi sympathisers of the thirties to the saddam sympathisers of the day,hardley the same is it. >     Appologies if i sent anybody a personal E -mail tonight,I pressed the wrong button > From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 10:19:37 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:19:37 -0000 Subject: [kj] Homework for jester Message-ID: <7D368CED82B7A44FAB699FBB41CC92120738609F@i2km02-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net> < Welcome, Rudolph. If you're looking for stuff about KJ, then go to the back of the queue, 'cos we're busy arguing about the war at the moment! :) But don't give up, there are some serious Jokers here, and we'll be back on topic soon. Jamie From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 11:06:53 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:06:53 -0000 Subject: [kj] ps References: <09B8A13A.5FB62B9C.0004DF86@aol.com> Message-ID: <008701c3c55b$71421d80$2648ff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Please read my earlier posts.If you were against him being toppled,logically,You must of been for him staying in power ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [kj] ps > Peter, > > Actually, you made the equation anti-war = pro-Saddam, and then said they were like nazi-sympathisers. > > Have you really swallowed the idea that anti-war = pro-Saddam (as opposed merely to using it as a handy insult)? If so, that says a lot for the level of thought you've put into this subject. > > Jamie > > > > > > >I did nt acually call anybody a nazi,I just likened the nazi sympathisers of the thirties to the saddam sympathisers of the day,hardley the same is it. > > Appologies if i sent anybody a personal E -mail tonight,I pressed the wrong button > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 10:57:05 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Rob's Arse) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 02:57:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] Homework for jester Message-ID: <20031218105705.9E2307261@sitemail.everyone.net> If we boil it down to those two facts - Porn and Alcohol I might as well go= round with a sign on my back saying Bomb Me! --- "Falcata-Galia Recordings" wrote: Poor test, boyo. The real answer is because 1) the boys know their families get paid to do it and 2) they can't fight Israel any other way. I have plenty of issues with Israel, but the Palestinian way is extremely stupid, killing off their future in that way. And the Muslim fanatics do indeed hate porn and alcohol. Major tenant in Islam. Read the Koran. Regards, Rudolph A. Carrera Fal=C3=A7ata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's Information Center http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of xps1@quick.cz Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:02 PM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Homework for jester the test: palestinians are suicide bombers because: a) they live better than people in Jordan and Egypt b) they hate shorts, porn and alcohol c) they go to heaven afterwards Peter, send it as a proposal to some comedy show, Monty Pythons would definitely welcome such suggestions.=20 other thing: CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS AND THE REMAKING OF WORLD ORDER, Samuel P. Huntington, is the latest bible of "old" racism and colonialistic attitude. that is an ideological source of what Peter West (is Best) might (is right) like to say, albeit in even more primitive language style. Pavel _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _____________________________________________________________ Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of worldmap.com) From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 11:29:52 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:29:52 -0000 Subject: [kj] P S References: Message-ID: <00c601c3c55e$48c518a0$2648ff3e@yourby3nr533ht> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jester" To: "Gathering" Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:45 AM Subject: Re: [kj] P S On 12/17/03 9:39 PM, "peter.west410" wrote: > Just to get a few things straight,I was nt going to write a reply at all,But > You did ask for it,about an hour before i wrote it , So i thought you were > still on line .I am am completely gob smacked by your childish reply; Aw, poor Peter. Guess your arse is still puckered from prison sex. (PW)No sexual encounters happened,(are you homophobic, anyway.?) > 1. I did nt blame anyone about anything No, you just use criminal activity as some sort of a badge. Word up, homeboy! (PW)No,just as a way of letting you know ,I know the score > 2. Unlike you i didnt use derogatary language about anyone On the contrary Peter. You have used derogatory language towards many on this very list, and they have commented on it several times over the past two days. Your entire post about why we should hate Islam was nothing but a load of hate, supported by no facts, other than you have been arrested. WOW! (PW)Can you give me just one example of me using derogatory language? > 3. And making silly coments about me mastabating, Grow up That the best you can do? Excellent retort! So it is true then. (PW) I cant beleive your so intersted,if i have solo sex or not. > 4. Dont worry i wont start petty name calling ,its pathetic Youąve been doing that all along. Not only are you completely full of shit, but then you think we actually buy into it. Funny. (PW)Again,I dont (usually) petty name call,its pointless > 5. I now my typings crap,Im still learning. You know that ones mannerisms, spelling, and overall language, speak volumes as far as credibility goes. Right about now, your credability is very much in the red. You still have yet to provide ANY facts other than jail time, for which you have yet to answer Alex's question as to WHY. Yet, you can take the time to reply to me, in an email you say offended you so. Very odd, to say the least. (PW) IF you re really that interested,In israel,a women was getting beaten up by some men ,so i jumped in and beat the shit out of all of them(singlehandedly.)and in jordan,Just being in a place i should nt, and getting accussed of being an Israeli spy, I thouroughly enjoyed the experience ,and yes,my ring peice is still a virgin. You want proof of the terrorist attacks? You want proof of the foundations of israel? Everyyhing i said is fact > 6.Dont bother replying as Im not intersted in what you have to say. Yeah, I make it my personal policy to mind what someone who cant type, cant spell, and has a complete inability to make an argument based on actual facts. I hope this pisses you off, offends you, and otherwise makes your head explode with utter disgust at my defiance. (PW) everything I wrote is fact,not my personal opinion. And all things considered ,My typings passable.And no ,Im still ,cool, calm and collected,are you? > Everytime people mention going to other countries ,you lose it, You know, I think your inability to type represents your inability to read and comprehend as well. I lose it when people jump into the fire and have no facts. Seems to me the only travel you have made is to cell block 4. "Tell me Joey, have you ever been to a Turkish prison?" (PW)On the contary,i have been to many countries in the world. the Saudi royal family,is under extreme pressure ,by the fundamentallists,It is a fact. > do you ever wished you travelled a bit more?. Yeah, can I hang with you? I always wanted to take a trip to nowhere. (PW) stop poking your tongue out. P.S. The porn reference, the homework bit and the "education" bit were a light hearted jest,Yes its so hard to do humor on the net. KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 12:18:36 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (JOKERS PUB CAFE) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:18:36 -0200 Subject: [kj] Intro References: <000d01c3c521$509b6620$6600a8c0@rudolph> Message-ID: <00ab01c3c568$977984e0$fdcfddc8@o7l3j2> Welcome to the list Rudy!! diaz From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 11:06:53 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:06:53 -0000 Subject: [kj] ps References: <09B8A13A.5FB62B9C.0004DF86@aol.com> Message-ID: <00c501c3c55e$305c2a10$2648ff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Please read my earlier posts.If you were against him being toppled,logically,You must of been for him staying in power ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [kj] ps > Peter, > > Actually, you made the equation anti-war = pro-Saddam, and then said they were like nazi-sympathisers. > > Have you really swallowed the idea that anti-war = pro-Saddam (as opposed merely to using it as a handy insult)? If so, that says a lot for the level of thought you've put into this subject. > > Jamie > > > > > > >I did nt acually call anybody a nazi,I just likened the nazi sympathisers of the thirties to the saddam sympathisers of the day,hardley the same is it. > > Appologies if i sent anybody a personal E -mail tonight,I pressed the wrong button > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 12:53:37 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:53:37 +0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <200312172324.hBHNO6tu026279@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.co m> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20031218125232.01b49348@pop3.norton.antivirus> And Roky Erickson... thank you Texas! Jester, you ever hear anything about him nowadays? >Yes, Texas did blight the world with George W. >Bush,.....but let's remember, Texas also blessed the world with the Butthole >Surfers. > >Alex >in >NYC > > > >---------- > >From: Jester > >To: Gathering > >Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > >Date: Wed, Dec 17, 2003, 6:11 PM > > > > >On 12/17/03 2:43 AM, "xps1@quick.cz" wrote: > > > >> true, myself I have seen "Dallas" twice on the TV... difficult life in > Texas > >> isnt it? > > > >We all own oil wells. > > > >We all live on a ranch and wear "ten gallon hats" > > > >We really do ride horses to work. > > > >We listen to both kinds of music. Country and western > > > >JR really does exist > > > >Things in Texas really are bigger. Just ask your mom, sister and girl > >friend. > > > >:-D > > > >KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! > >OCCISIO LOCATIO > > > >THE WEBMASTER, > >JESTER > >WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM > >WWW.PARALLAX1.COM > > > >There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > > > >"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or > >Gates?" > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Gathering mailing list > >Gathering@misera.net > >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 13:09:04 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (fat potanga) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:09:04 +0000 Subject: [kj] kj in classic rock mag Message-ID: >kiss bagged 2 mill a night.. Blimey - that's more than I earn a month.... www.fatpotanga.co.uk www.iam-jam.com ----Original Message Follows---- From: fluwdot@earthlink.net Reply-To: gathering@misera.net To: gathering@misera.net Subject: [kj] kj in classic rock mag Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:42:19 -0500 the killing joke underworld gig was favorably reviewed in the waning pages of classic rock magazine, december issue ( the one with steven tyler and gene simmons on the cover). complete with a familiar frightening pose from jaz flanked by the capped 4 stringin' "eternal 'bridesmaid' " as he was described. so kiss bagged 2 mill a night on their tour with aerosmith?! wonder what the take for the kj US tour was... _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 13:16:31 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:16:31 +0000 Subject: [kj] the list Message-ID: --============_-1140369097==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" My name is Rudy Carrera, and I've been looking for this mailing list for a long time. Welcome Rudy... I'm an old fan of the band ...not as old as me... and wanted to see if I could learn more by being here. ... you might do, and sometimes people DO talk about killing joke cheers, colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk --============_-1140369097==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" the list
My name is Rudy Carrera, and I've been looking for this mailing list for a long time. 
Welcome Rudy...

I'm an old fan of the band
...not as old as me...

and wanted to see if I could learn more by being here.
... you might do, and sometimes people DO talk about killing joke

cheers,
colesy
--
Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk
... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk
--============_-1140369097==_ma============-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 13:41:14 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:41:14 -0600 Subject: [kj] Homework for jester In-Reply-To: <000301c3c547$19095de0$6600a8c0@rudolph> Message-ID: On 12/18/03 3:12 AM, "Falcata-Galia Recordings" wrote= : > Poor test, boyo. I kinda think you missed the point of Pavel's post, there Rudolph. Understandable as you just tuned in, and missed a couple of days worth of information leading up to this. But you did miss it completely. The "boyo" tag makes ya look pretty bad in this instance, as well, considering that fact. >=20 > The real answer is because 1) the boys know their families get paid to > do it and 2) they can't fight Israel any other way. I have plenty of > issues with Israel, but the Palestinian way is extremely stupid, killing > off their future in that way. Yeah, cause they do have a plethora of options at their hands. So much money, so many opportunities laying at their feet, why do they do this!?!?! Look, no one is saying what they are doing is right, but you also have to look at the reason things are carried out this way too. Don=B9t attack the weed and ignore the root. >=20 > And the Muslim fanatics do indeed hate porn and alcohol. Major tenant > in Islam. Read the Koran. Yes, and your point? Because they detest porn and alcohol, we have the righ= t to exterminate them? I detest adultery. So, I guess you want me offed for that. It is not our right to decide who and who should not roam the earth. Just curious where your going with this? KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 10:40:11 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Rob's Arse) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 02:40:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] Homework for jester Message-ID: <20031218104011.DAB22395C@sitemail.everyone.net> Peter You are REALLY pissing me off. I have relatives who are Muslim. Two cousins aged 20-25. According to you , they'll be blowing me up this Christams. But hey, wait a minute, unlike you, they are broad minded intelligent young men who will be happy to sit at our family table and enjoy the a Christian festival meal with us. But if I listen to you, I better be checking those Christmas crackers for semtex or suchlike. Fucking hell mate, you are so polarised in your opinions! --- "peter.west410" wrote: as we go into 2004 ,the western world and muslim worlds are expanding, they have seen the way we live and they dont agree ,(alchol,sex equality,freedom of expression,wearing shorts,porn,etc etc ) so muslims have declared war on the west(i dont say US,because lots of you are on their side) proof is the terrorist attacks NY,Bali, Sa ana ,istanbul,nairobi,mombassa ,turkey again,and many more attacks which have been thrawted. and there will be many more to come,We have been told in London,not maybe, but when. So what shall we (excluding most of you) do about it, shall we try to appease them,No unless we convert to islam they wont be content,so whether we like it or not we have a war on our hands israel ,their society has so much in common with ours,while the palestinians have so much in common with their neighbours egypt and jordan,so you have two seperate peoples living in one country ,causing friction ,their is no palestine,theres nether been an internationally reconised leader,before the jews arrived it as just swamp and desert ,before the 67 war jordan occupied the west bank,and treated the locals even worse,and even now the palestinians have a better standard of life than their brothers in jordan and egypt. I was unfortunate enough to find myself incarcerated in both israel and jordan,so you can say i have inside information on the situation A palestinian suicide bomber blows himself up and goes straight to heaven,a palestinian gets shot in the street ,again straight to heaven .tell me whats the difference And before you say not all muslims are like that,if you can watch arabic TV and see their point of view their is a lot of unrest in saudi(Bin ladens home), and the regime may topple soon .Then it will be game on ,I hope my desendents wont be bowing to mecca five times a day. _____________________________________________________________ Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of worldmap.com) From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 10:35:11 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Rob's Arse) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 02:35:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] P S Message-ID: <20031218103511.B34DC7273@sitemail.everyone.net> Peter Please get your head out of your arse and stop clogging up my inbox with your bullshit!! Fucking hell, the gathering is turning into a shitheap! Why don't we do something outrageous and talk about KILLING JOKE. Can't we get this thing back on track folks? Thanks Grumpy Bob --- "peter.west410" wrote: I did nt write that to be argumentive,It was requested by jester.As no one seems to be disagreeing,it seems you all agree with me. If ever you need any more education,Let me know, Id be glad to help, goodnight _____________________________________________________________ Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of worldmap.com) From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 10:19:37 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:19:37 -0000 Subject: [kj] Homework for jester Message-ID: <7D368CED82B7A44FAB699FBB41CC92120738609F@i2km02-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net> < Message-ID: <20031218143511.16349.qmail@web25004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --0-1596989187-1071758111=:16266 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey Rudy, glad you made it. Hope you stick around. He's a member from the Fields of the Nephilim list, guys. There's a few Neph fans lurking around here too. Jim. Falcata-Galia Recordings wrote: Hello; I just joined the list. My name is Rudy Carrera, and I’ve been looking for this mailing list for a long time. I’m an old fan of the band and wanted to see if I could learn more by being here. Regards, Rudolph A. Carrera Falçata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's Information Center http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now --0-1596989187-1071758111=:16266 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hey Rudy, glad you made it. Hope you stick around. He's a member from the Fields of the Nephilim list, guys. There's a few Neph fans lurking around here too.
 
Jim.

Falcata-Galia Recordings <fgrecs@adelphia.net> wrote:

 

Hello;

 

I just joined the list.

 

My name is Rudy Carrera, and I’ve been looking for this mailing list for a long time.  I’m an old fan of the band and wanted to see if I could learn more by being here.

 

Regards,

 

Rudolph A. Carrera

Falçata-Galia Recordings

http://www.falcata-galia.com

Tariff Records

http://www.tariffrecords.com

Rudy's Information Center

http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm

 

 

Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now --0-1596989187-1071758111=:16266-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 15:28:28 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:28:28 +0000 Subject: [kj] gathering moss Message-ID: --============_-1140361183==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" If we boil it down to those two facts - Porn and Alcohol I might as well go round with a sign on my back saying Bomb Me! Shurely you means Bumb Me! mikey c, the man with glee -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk --============_-1140361183==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" gathering moss
If we boil it down to those two facts - Porn and Alcohol I might as well go round with a sign on my back saying Bomb Me!
Shurely you means Bumb Me!

mikey c, the man with glee
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--============_-1140361183==_ma============-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 15:32:00 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:32:00 -0600 Subject: [kj] P S In-Reply-To: <00c601c3c55e$48c518a0$2648ff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: Peter, I cant find what you wrote, what I wrote,and what was written before= . Please stop hiding your reply within messages. Turn off HTML in your email till you learn how to use it right, and reply...I have already told you this, and how to do this, in an earlier message. No one has the time to search through your replies to find a hidden nugget. Reading this is worse than looking at a long strand of code, and I do enough of that already. Purposely hiding your response shows you lack conviction in your statements= . On 12/18/03 5:29 AM, "peter.west410" wrote: >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jester" > To: "Gathering" > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:45 AM > Subject: Re: [kj] P S >=20 >=20 > On 12/17/03 9:39 PM, "peter.west410" wrote: >=20 >> Just to get a few things straight,I was nt going to write a reply at > all,But >> You did ask for it,about an hour before i wrote it , So i thought you we= re >> still on line .I am am completely gob smacked by your childish reply; >=20 > Aw, poor Peter. Guess your arse is still puckered from prison sex. > (PW)No sexual encounters happened,(are you homophobic, anyway.?) >=20 >=20 >> 1. I did nt blame anyone about anything >=20 >=20 > No, you just use criminal activity as some sort of a badge. Word up, > homeboy! >=20 > (PW)No,just as a way of letting you know ,I know the score >=20 >> 2. Unlike you i didnt use derogatary language about anyone >=20 > On the contrary Peter. You have used derogatory language towards many on > this very list, and they have commented on it several times over the past > two days. Your entire post about why we should hate Islam was nothing but= a > load of hate, supported by no facts, other than you have been arrested. W= OW! >=20 > (PW)Can you give me just one example of me using derogatory language? >=20 >=20 >=20 >> 3. And making silly coments about me mastabating, Grow up > That the best you can do? Excellent retort! So it is true then. >=20 > (PW) I cant beleive your so intersted,if i have solo sex or not. >=20 >=20 >> 4. Dont worry i wont start petty name calling ,its pathetic >=20 > You=B9ve been doing that all along. Not only are you completely full of shi= t, > but then you think we actually buy into it. Funny. >=20 > (PW)Again,I dont (usually) petty name call,its pointless >=20 >=20 >> 5. I now my typings crap,Im still learning. >=20 > You know that ones mannerisms, spelling, and overall language, speak volu= mes > as far as credibility goes. Right about now, your credability is very muc= h > in the red. You still have yet to provide ANY facts other than jail time, > for which you have yet to answer Alex's question as to WHY. Yet, you can > take the time to reply to me, in an email you say offended you so. Very o= dd, > to say the least. >=20 > (PW) IF you re really that interested,In israel,a women was getting beate= n > up by some men ,so i jumped in and beat the shit out of all of > them(singlehandedly.)and in jordan,Just being in a place i should nt, and > getting accussed of being an Israeli spy, I thouroughly enjoyed the > experience ,and yes,my ring peice is still a virgin. >=20 > You want proof of the terrorist attacks? > You want proof of the foundations of israel? > Everyyhing i said is fact >=20 >=20 >> 6.Dont bother replying as Im not intersted in what you have to say. >=20 > Yeah, I make it my personal policy to mind what someone who cant type, ca= nt > spell, and has a complete inability to make an argument based on actual > facts. I hope this pisses you off, offends you, and otherwise makes your > head explode with utter disgust at my defiance. >=20 > (PW) everything I wrote is fact,not my personal opinion. And all things > considered ,My typings passable.And no ,Im still ,cool, calm and > collected,are you? >=20 >=20 >> Everytime people mention going to other countries ,you lose it, >=20 > You know, I think your inability to type represents your inability to rea= d > and comprehend as well. I lose it when people jump into the fire and have= no > facts. Seems to me the only travel you have made is to cell block 4. "Tel= l > me Joey, have you ever been to a Turkish prison?" >=20 >=20 > (PW)On the contary,i have been to many countries in the world. > the Saudi royal family,is under extreme pressure ,by the fundamentallists= ,It > is a fact. >=20 >> do you ever wished you travelled a bit more?. >=20 > Yeah, can I hang with you? I always wanted to take a trip to nowhere. >=20 > (PW) stop poking your tongue out. >=20 > P.S. > The porn reference, the homework bit and the "education" bit were a light > hearted jest,Yes its > so hard to do humor on the net. >=20 > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! > OCCISIO LOCATIO >=20 > THE WEBMASTER, > JESTER > WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM > WWW.PARALLAX1.COM >=20 > There is no place like 127.0.0.1 >=20 > "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or > Gates?" >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >=20 >=20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 15:33:55 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Phillipps Marc) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:33:55 -0000 Subject: [kj] ps Message-ID: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1E5@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> >Please read my earlier posts.If you were against him being >toppled,logically,You must of been for him staying in power Peter, I'm sure I speak for a lot of the "Anti-War" people when I say that we weren't against Hussein being toppled, we were against the methods and arguments used by the government(s) who did the toppling . . . There is no black and white (moral right Vs moral wrong) in this issue, so your assertion that anyone who was antiwar is therefore pro Hussein is very, very flawed. At the end of the day, it doesn't seem that your views will be changed by anything that people have said here (applause for the arguers by the way) and I seriously doubt that anyone who was against the war has suddenly slapped their forehead and thought "Damn, by marching I was supporting Saddam!" so is there any reason to prolong an argument that you are clearly loosing ? Anyway, Killing Joke . . . are they crap or what ? :o) Marc. > -----Original Message----- > From: peter.west410 [SMTP:peter.west410@ntlworld.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:07 AM > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] ps > > Please read my earlier posts.If you were against him being > toppled,logically,You must of been for him staying in power > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:18 AM > Subject: Re: [kj] ps > > > > Peter, > > > > Actually, you made the equation anti-war = pro-Saddam, and then said > they > were like nazi-sympathisers. > > > > Have you really swallowed the idea that anti-war = pro-Saddam (as > opposed > merely to using it as a handy insult)? If so, that says a lot for the > level > of thought you've put into this subject. > > > > Jamie > > > > > > > > > > > > >I did nt acually call anybody a nazi,I just likened the nazi > sympathisers > of the thirties to the saddam sympathisers of the day,hardley the same is > it. > > > Appologies if i sent anybody a personal E -mail tonight,I pressed the > wrong button > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 15:33:17 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:33:17 -0600 Subject: [kj] ps In-Reply-To: <00c501c3c55e$305c2a10$2648ff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: You have still, as far as I have seen, have not answered or even addressed Alex's question as to WHY you were incarcerated not once, but twice. Do tell Peter Piper. On 12/18/03 5:06 AM, "peter.west410" wrote: > Please read my earlier posts.If you were against him being > toppled,logically,You must of been for him staying in power > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:18 AM > Subject: Re: [kj] ps > > >> Peter, >> >> Actually, you made the equation anti-war = pro-Saddam, and then said they > were like nazi-sympathisers. >> >> Have you really swallowed the idea that anti-war = pro-Saddam (as opposed > merely to using it as a handy insult)? If so, that says a lot for the level > of thought you've put into this subject. >> >> Jamie >> >> >> >> >> >>> I did nt acually call anybody a nazi,I just likened the nazi sympathisers > of the thirties to the saddam sympathisers of the day,hardley the same is > it. >>> Appologies if i sent anybody a personal E -mail tonight,I pressed the > wrong button >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gathering mailing list >> Gathering@misera.net >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 15:51:52 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Antoni Adamiak) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:51:52 -0000 Subject: [kj] lizards References: <7D368CED82B7A44FAB699FBB41CC92120738609F@i2km02-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net> Message-ID: <003501c3c57e$db75fdc0$104e08c3@mydomain.com> Oh no, not the lizards again ... I take we are all aware that Feb/Mar dates now seem unlikely ? Dave Simpson says that the Astoria Sunday footage is going to be touched up in the studio on account of some ropey playing on the night. Went to see the Army at the Astoria the other night - who was supporting ? Bloody hell, none other than ancient French punks Metal Urbain. It was at a gig by The Birthday Party in 1982 at the Zig Zag club that I saw a young Sisters Of Mercy and, on account of the drum machine, it was commented "this lot sound a bit like Metal Urbain". I don't think too many in the NMA crowd had any idea who they were and most people seemed bemused by the combination of old school riffs and the trusty drum machine back beat - what with the singing, it didn't sound a million miles away from The Young Gods. * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:19 AM Subject: RE: [kj] Homework for jester < --part1_a9.4d8a0e05.2d1328df_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 16/12/03 17:09:18 Pacific Standard Time, joker@Z6.com writes: > Can I have a new bike for Christmas then? > > > > Only if that ankle is fixed in time son. --part1_a9.4d8a0e05.2d1328df_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 16/12/03 17:09:1= 8 Pacific Standard Time, joker@Z6.com writes:

Can I have a new bike for Chris= tmas then?





   Only if that ankle is fixed in time son. --part1_a9.4d8a0e05.2d1328df_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 16:01:01 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Shadforth, Jane E SUKOP-UOIT/42) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:01:01 -0000 Subject: [kj] lizards Message-ID: <4E1B682DEDC4EB409D522C471E527DCF62CE54@wyt-s-018.europe.shell.com> Hi Antoni - sorry I missed you before & after the show, and only managed = to exchange about two words in there. Hoping to catch Metal Urbain tonight in Leeds, as I missed them at both = London & Notts. Will let you know what I think. I can't remember - did you say you'd be at the Damned on Saturday, or = are you doing the Men they couldn't hang? Jane -----Original Message----- From: Antoni Adamiak [mailto:antoni@clara.net] Sent: 18 December 2003 15:52 To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] lizards Oh no, not the lizards again ... I take we are all aware that Feb/Mar = dates now seem unlikely ? Dave Simpson says that the Astoria Sunday footage is going to be touched up in the studio on account of some ropey playing on = the night. Went to see the Army at the Astoria the other night - who was supporting = ? Bloody hell, none other than ancient French punks Metal Urbain. It was = at a gig by The Birthday Party in 1982 at the Zig Zag club that I saw a young Sisters Of Mercy and, on account of the drum machine, it was commented = "this lot sound a bit like Metal Urbain". I don't think too many in the NMA = crowd had any idea who they were and most people seemed bemused by the = combination of old school riffs and the trusty drum machine back beat - what with = the singing, it didn't sound a million miles away from The Young Gods. * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:19 AM Subject: RE: [kj] Homework for jester < >Can I have a new bike for Christmas then? If he can do that much damage to himself with no more than a doorstep imagine the chaos that Moss on a bike would cause ! > -----Original Message----- > From: Jelbod@aol.com [SMTP:Jelbod@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 3:59 PM > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > In a message dated 16/12/03 17:09:18 Pacific Standard Time, joker@Z6.com > writes: > > > > Can I have a new bike for Christmas then? > > > > > > > > Only if that ankle is fixed in time son. > > This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 16:02:48 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:02:48 EST Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <2b.4d41ee10.2d1329a8@aol.com> --part1_2b.4d41ee10.2d1329a8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 17/12/03 08:05:49 Pacific Standard Time, Jpwhkj@aol.com writes: > And Jel, are you telling me that you don't cause trouble wherever you > travel?? That's not what I've heard! > > Ok i admit it...i live in a greenhouse and sling stones....what exactly have you heard m8? Oh and as for the rest of it, i just love wielding a big wooden spoon...usually Mr. Rangecroft pulls me up on things though.....where is he lately? and Praest come to that, is he still sulking about not getting into the Astoria for being too drunk? --part1_2b.4d41ee10.2d1329a8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 17/12/03 08:05:4= 9 Pacific Standard Time, Jpwhkj@aol.com writes:

And Jel, are you telling me tha= t you don't cause trouble wherever you travel?? That's not what I've heard!<= BR>


  Ok i admit it...i live in a greenhouse and sling stones....what exact= ly have you heard m8?
  Oh and as for the rest of it, i just love wielding a big wooden spoon= ...usually Mr. Rangecroft pulls me up on things though.....where is he latel= y? and Praest come to that, is he still sulking about not getting into the A= storia for being too drunk? --part1_2b.4d41ee10.2d1329a8_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 16:06:27 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Behan, Craig) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:06:27 -0800 Subject: [kj] P S Message-ID: <7EA66ACBFB7B8B4DA4C306BDAD178A5E29256B@abz-irg-exs01> I agree Bob, we are bombarded with this debate from all the usual media outlets, i'm sick of it, more KJ please. -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of Rob's Arse Sent: 18 December 2003 10:35 To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] P S Peter Please get your head out of your arse and stop clogging up my inbox with your bullshit!! Fucking hell, the gathering is turning into a shitheap! Why don't we do something outrageous and talk about KILLING JOKE. Can't we get this thing back on track folks? Thanks Grumpy Bob --- "peter.west410" wrote: I did nt write that to be argumentive,It was requested by jester.As no one seems to be disagreeing,it seems you all agree with me. If ever you need any more education,Let me know, Id be glad to help, goodnight _____________________________________________________________ Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of worldmap.com) _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 16:08:35 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Phillipps Marc) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:08:35 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1E7@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> >and Praest come to that, is he still sulking about not getting into = the Astoria for being=20 >too drunk? Didn't he get in ? They tried that on me on the Sunday, I just argued until they gave up = :=AC) Marc.=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jelbod@aol.com [SMTP:Jelbod@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:03 PM > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >=20 > In a message dated 17/12/03 08:05:49 Pacific Standard Time, = Jpwhkj@aol.com > writes: >=20 >=20 >=20 > And Jel, are you telling me that you don't cause trouble wherever you > travel?? That's not what I've heard! >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Ok i admit it...i live in a greenhouse and sling stones....what = exactly > have you heard m8? > Oh and as for the rest of it, i just love wielding a big wooden > spoon...usually Mr. Rangecroft pulls me up on things though.....where = is > he lately? and Praest come to that, is he still sulking about not = getting > into the Astoria for being too drunk? >=20 >=20 This communication may contain information that is confidential and = legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). = If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information = within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet = Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 16:10:27 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Antoni Adamiak) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:10:27 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: <2b.4d41ee10.2d1329a8@aol.com> Message-ID: <004c01c3c581$741cbf80$104e08c3@mydomain.com> Jel & others, I thought that contrary to legend Praest did get in, eventually ... can't remember who said that though ... * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > In a message dated 17/12/03 08:05:49 Pacific Standard Time, Jpwhkj@aol.com > writes: > > > And Jel, are you telling me that you don't cause trouble wherever you > > travel?? That's not what I've heard! > > > > > > Ok i admit it...i live in a greenhouse and sling stones....what exactly > have you heard m8? > Oh and as for the rest of it, i just love wielding a big wooden > spoon...usually Mr. Rangecroft pulls me up on things though.....where is he lately? and > Praest come to that, is he still sulking about not getting into the Astoria for > being too drunk? > From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 19:03:27 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Will E Scheipers) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:03:27 -0800 Subject: [kj] P S Message-ID: <20031218.110816.280.1.Wscheip1@juno.com> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_30c7.2f14.7273 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Due to your writing style I don't think you could help him much. From, Will On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:14:11 -0000 "peter.west410" writes: I did nt write that to be argumentive,It was requested by jester.As no one seems to be disagreeing,it seems you all agree with me. If ever you need any more education,Let me know, Id be glad to help, goodnight ----__JNP_000_30c7.2f14.7273 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Due to your writing style I don't think you could help him much.
 
From,
Will
 
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:14:11 -0000 "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com&= gt;=20 writes:
I did nt   write that to be=20 argumentive,It was requested by jester.As no one seems to be disagreeing,= it=20 seems you all agree with me. If ever you need any more education,Let me = know,=20 Id be glad to help,
 
goodnight 
 
----__JNP_000_30c7.2f14.7273-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 16:11:08 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:11:08 EST Subject: [kj] P S Message-ID: <188.22f87c55.2d132b9c@aol.com> --part1_188.22f87c55.2d132b9c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Killing Joke?...who are they? Come to the chatroom to find out more, actually probably not...theres shitloads of nonsense talked about in there too and no not all by me...some of it yes, but not all. Come have a chat anyway. Jelly --part1_188.22f87c55.2d132b9c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Killing Joke?...who are they?

  Come to the chatroom to find out more, actually probably not...theres= shitloads of nonsense talked about in there too and no not all by me...some= of it yes, but not all.  Come have a chat anyway.

Jelly --part1_188.22f87c55.2d132b9c_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 16:12:35 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:12:35 EST Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <1ed.15c6de18.2d132bf3@aol.com> --part1_1ed.15c6de18.2d132bf3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 18/12/03 08:10:35 Pacific Standard Time,=20 Marc.Phillipps@enfield.nhs.uk writes: > I just argued until they gave up :=AC) >=20 >=20 They just wanted a tidy doorstep! --part1_1ed.15c6de18.2d132bf3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 18/12/03 08:10:3= 5 Pacific Standard Time, Marc.Phillipps@enfield.nhs.uk writes:

I just argued until they gave u= p :=AC)



   They just wanted a tidy doorstep! --part1_1ed.15c6de18.2d132bf3_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 16:16:16 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Phillipps Marc) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:16:16 -0000 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1E8@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> >They just wanted a tidy doorstep! Bastard !=20 (anyone know a good way of getting coffee off monitors ?) :=ACP > -----Original Message----- > From: Jelbod@aol.com [SMTP:Jelbod@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:13 PM > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >=20 > In a message dated 18/12/03 08:10:35 Pacific Standard Time, > Marc.Phillipps@enfield.nhs.uk writes: >=20 >=20 >=20 > I just argued until they gave up :=AC) >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > They just wanted a tidy doorstep! >=20 >=20 This communication may contain information that is confidential and = legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). = If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information = within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet = Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 16:32:40 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Javier Garcia) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:32:40 -0500 Subject: Fwd: [kj] Intro Message-ID: Welcome Rudy; so, where are you located/where are you from? Javier mexico city -- --------- Original Message --------- DATE: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:35:05 From: Wrightdvdw@aol.com To: gathering@misera.net Cc: > >Greetings Rudy, > >I think you will find this place interesting since joining earlier this year >have been chatting and meeting lots of Gatherers ,certainly made my life more >bearable. > >Also incase Im not on line form now til xmas (getting hellishly busy at work >and after it will be frenetic) may i take this oppertunity to wish all >Gatherers a happy Christmas and as 2003 was the year of the Joke , may it continue in >2004. > >Burn, burn, burn brightly. > >Dave > ____________________________________________________________ Free Poetry Contest. Win $10,000. Submit your poem @ Poetry.com! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6750922;3807821;l?http://www.poetry.com/contest/contest.asp?Suite=A59101 From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 16:37:05 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Rob's Arse) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:37:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID: <20031218163706.031E2AC77@sitemail.everyone.net> Mr Rangecroft has un-subbed by the way folks. --- Jelbod@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 17/12/03 08:05:49 Pacific Standard Time, Jpwhkj@aol.com writes: > And Jel, are you telling me that you don't cause trouble wherever you > travel?? That's not what I've heard! > > Ok i admit it...i live in a greenhouse and sling stones....what exactly have you heard m8? Oh and as for the rest of it, i just love wielding a big wooden spoon...usually Mr. Rangecroft pulls me up on things though.....where is he lately? and Praest come to that, is he still sulking about not getting into the Astoria for being too drunk? _____________________________________________________________ Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of worldmap.com) From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 16:42:03 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Phillipps Marc) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:42:03 -0000 Subject: Fwd: [kj] Intro Message-ID: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1E9@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> >Welcome Rudy Whoops, where are my manners ? Welcome to The Gathering Rudy . . . . it's not normally as bad as this = (it's worse !!) :=AC) Marc > -----Original Message----- > From: Javier Garcia [SMTP:jagargal@lycos.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:33 PM > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: Re: Fwd: [kj] Intro >=20 > Welcome Rudy; so, where are you located/where are you from? >=20 > Javier > mexico city >=20 >=20 > -- >=20 > --------- Original Message --------- >=20 > DATE: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:35:05 > From: Wrightdvdw@aol.com > To: gathering@misera.net > Cc:=20 >=20 > > > >Greetings Rudy, > > > >I think you will find this place interesting since joining earlier = this > year=20 > >have been chatting and meeting lots of Gatherers ,certainly made my = life > more=20 > >bearable. > > > >Also incase Im not on line form now til xmas (getting hellishly busy = at > work=20 > >and after it will be frenetic) may i take this oppertunity to wish = all=20 > >Gatherers a happy Christmas and as 2003 was the year of the Joke , = may it > continue in=20 > >2004. > > > >Burn, burn, burn brightly. > > > >Dave > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > ____________________________________________________________ > Free Poetry Contest. Win $10,000. Submit your poem @ Poetry.com! > = http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6750922;3807821;l?http://www.poetry.com/co= nt > est/contest.asp?Suite=3DA59101 > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >=20 >=20 This communication may contain information that is confidential and = legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). = If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information = within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet = Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 16:43:08 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:43:08 -0500 Subject: [kj] Intro Message-ID: <200312181643.hBIGh0Of003927@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154592588_214604_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Welcome, Rudolph. Buckle your seat-belt. You've hopped aboard during a period of turbulence. Welcome again, and never be afraid to speak up and tell someone they're ful= l of shit. Alex in NYC ---------- From: "Falcata-Galia Recordings" To: Subject: [kj] Intro Date: Wed, Dec 17, 2003, 10:09 PM Hello; I just joined the list. My name is Rudy Carrera, and Ive been looking for this mailing list for a long time.=A0 Im an old fan of the band and wanted to see if I could learn more by being here. Regards, Rudolph A. Carrera Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's Information Center http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm --MS_Mac_OE_3154592588_214604_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] Intro
Welcome, Rudolph. Buckle your seat-belt. You've hopped aboard during a peri= od of turbulence.

Welcome again, and never be afraid to speak up and tell someone they're ful= l of shit.

Alex in NYC



----------
From: "Falcata-Galia Recordings" <fgrecs@adelphia.net>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: [kj] Intro
Date: Wed, Dec 17, 2003, 10:09 PM


 

Hello;

 

I just joined the list.

 

My name is Rudy Carrera, and Ive been looking for this maili= ng list for a long time.=A0 Im an old fan of the band and wanted to see if I c= ould learn more by being here.

 
Regards,

 

Rudolph A. Carrera

Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings

http://www.falcata-galia.com

Tariff Records

http://www.tariffrecords.com

Rudy's Information Center

http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info= _ctr/home.htm

 
 

--MS_Mac_OE_3154592588_214604_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 16:46:36 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:46:36 -0500 Subject: [kj] Show of Hands, please..... Message-ID: <200312181646.hBIGkSOf011133@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> It's been a great while, and with so much dissent on the board these days.... WHO HERE THINKS IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER GATHERING POLL? Lemme know, Alex in NYC From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 16:48:02 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Rob's Arse) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:48:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OUTRAGEOUS! ON TOPIC! NEWS! Message-ID: <20031218164802.B6D443986@sitemail.everyone.net> The Gathering was stunned to receive a post On Topic today when it was reported that Killing Joke DO actually exist. Rumours of a conversation between Rob's Arse and Raven could not be confirmed at the time of going to press, but, in hushed tones, it was said that the next bout of Killing Joke activity may start in March. Sources close to Rob's Arse may have said that the management are keen that Killing Joke do not do anything until the start of summer whilst the management concentrates on other artists in the fold such as Badly Drawn Boy. (jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez). Geordie Walker (formally bequiffed stroker of the six strings) is said to be keen to get cracking again and does not fancy hanging about until June. Meanwhile The Raven is talking to the fabulously talented, charming, handsome (and modest) Headcount about producing a new long playing record, so that should keep him busy for a while. More news when we receive it............................ _____________________________________________________________ Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of worldmap.com) From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 16:48:35 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jim=20Harper?=) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:48:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] Show of Hands, please..... In-Reply-To: <200312181646.hBIGkSOf011133@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20031218164835.21848.qmail@web25007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --0-1844775348-1071766115=:19757 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Good god yes. Alex Smith wrote: It's been a great while, and with so much dissent on the board these days.... WHO HERE THINKS IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER GATHERING POLL? Lemme know, Alex in NYC _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now --0-1844775348-1071766115=:19757 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Good god yes.

Alex Smith <vassifer@earthlink.net> wrote:


It's been a great while, and with so much dissent on the board these
days....

WHO HERE THINKS IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER GATHERING POLL?

Lemme know,

Alex in NYC
_______________________________________________
Gathering mailing list
Gathering@misera.net
http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering

Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now --0-1844775348-1071766115=:19757-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 16:48:57 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:48:57 EST Subject: [kj] O/T Chat Message-ID: <1e9.15a644e8.2d133479@aol.com> --part1_1e9.15a644e8.2d133479_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apologies to any that popped into chat to find me not there, but i got booted ( something to do with coffee on Mr. Phillips monitor i feel...lol) and had problems getting back. Quite glad i missed Bluce mind you, with his ever so funny....'come on Villa' hahahaha you little wag you, remind me to slip a lil knife into your ribs when we meet anyway all is well now in chattyland --part1_1e9.15a644e8.2d133479_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Apologies to any that popped into chat to find me not there, but i got boot= ed ( something to do with coffee on Mr. Phillips monitor i feel...lol) and h= ad problems getting back. Quite glad i missed Bluce mind you, with his ever=20= so funny....'come on Villa' hahahaha you little wag you, remind me to slip a= lil knife into your ribs when we meet <ggg> anyway all is well now in= chattyland --part1_1e9.15a644e8.2d133479_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 17 22:49:18 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Ross O'Donoghue) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:49:18 +0200 Subject: [kj] OT Reintro References: Message-ID: <008401c3c4f0$024e8000$efca83d9@ibm559c085> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C3C500.C4BB7FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] IntroJust back on the list after an absence of far too many = months ( work, not incarceration in an Arab/Muslim land ) and I'm = absolutely thrilled to see we are back to acrimony, dispute and good old = bitchin'. Peter, I'll add my rusty old tuppence once I stop laughing! = Alex, fine man you are, may the Lord bless your keyboard and keep ye = safe. Ross. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jester=20 To: Gathering=20 Sent: 18 Aral=FDk 2003 Per=FEembe 05:36 Subject: Re: [kj] Intro Cheers Rudy! Welcome to insanity and hell...may your stay not be too miserable ;-) On 12/17/03 9:09 PM, "Falcata-Galia Recordings" = wrote: Hello; =20 I just joined the list. =20 My name is Rudy Carrera, and I've been looking for this mailing list = for a long time. I'm an old fan of the band and wanted to see if I = could learn more by being here. =20 Regards, Rudolph A. Carrera KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!=20 OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows = or Gates?" ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C3C500.C4BB7FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] Intro
Just back on the list after an absence of far too = many months=20 ( work, not incarceration in an Arab/Muslim land ) and I'm absolutely = thrilled=20 to see we are back to acrimony, dispute and good old bitchin'. Peter, = I'll add=20 my rusty old tuppence once I stop laughing! Alex, fine man you are, may = the Lord=20 bless your keyboard and keep ye safe.
Ross.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jester
Sent: 18 Aral=FDk 2003 = Per=FEembe 05:36
Subject: Re: [kj] Intro

Cheers=20 Rudy!

Welcome to insanity and hell...may your stay not be too = miserable=20 ;-)

On 12/17/03 9:09 PM, "Falcata-Galia Recordings" <fgrecs@adelphia.net>=20 wrote:
Hello;
 
I just joined the=20 list.
 
My name is Rudy Carrera, and I’ve been = looking for this=20 mailing list for a long time.  I’m an old fan of the band = and wanted to=20 see if I could learn more by being=20 here.
 
Regards,

Rudolph = A.=20 Carrera


KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH = HONOUR!=20
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER=20
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place like=20 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we = have for=20 Windows or Gates?"
 ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C3C500.C4BB7FC0-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 16:50:29 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:50:29 -0500 Subject: [kj] P S Message-ID: <200312181650.hBIGoLOf020032@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> I'm starting to think this is all an intricate wind-up ala vintage Rangecroft. Maybe I'm wrong. Speaking of, where is Paul these days??? Alex in NYC ---------- >From: "peter.west410" >To: >Subject: Re: [kj] P S >Date: Thu, Dec 18, 2003, 6:29 AM > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jester" >To: "Gathering" >Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:45 AM >Subject: Re: [kj] P S > > >On 12/17/03 9:39 PM, "peter.west410" wrote: > >> Just to get a few things straight,I was nt going to write a reply at >all,But >> You did ask for it,about an hour before i wrote it , So i thought you we= re >> still on line .I am am completely gob smacked by your childish reply; > >Aw, poor Peter. Guess your arse is still puckered from prison sex. >(PW)No sexual encounters happened,(are you homophobic, anyway.?) > > >> 1. I did nt blame anyone about anything > > >No, you just use criminal activity as some sort of a badge. Word up, >homeboy! > >(PW)No,just as a way of letting you know ,I know the score > >> 2. Unlike you i didnt use derogatary language about anyone > >On the contrary Peter. You have used derogatory language towards many on >this very list, and they have commented on it several times over the past >two days. Your entire post about why we should hate Islam was nothing but = a >load of hate, supported by no facts, other than you have been arrested. WO= W! > >(PW)Can you give me just one example of me using derogatory language? > > > >> 3. And making silly coments about me mastabating, Grow up >That the best you can do? Excellent retort! So it is true then. > >(PW) I cant beleive your so intersted,if i have solo sex or not. > > >> 4. Dont worry i wont start petty name calling ,its pathetic > >You=B9ve been doing that all along. Not only are you completely full of shit= , >but then you think we actually buy into it. Funny. > >(PW)Again,I dont (usually) petty name call,its pointless > > >> 5. I now my typings crap,Im still learning. > >You know that ones mannerisms, spelling, and overall language, speak volum= es >as far as credibility goes. Right about now, your credability is very much >in the red. You still have yet to provide ANY facts other than jail time, >for which you have yet to answer Alex's question as to WHY. Yet, you can >take the time to reply to me, in an email you say offended you so. Very od= d, >to say the least. > >(PW) IF you re really that interested,In israel,a women was getting beaten >up by some men ,so i jumped in and beat the shit out of all of >them(singlehandedly.)and in jordan,Just being in a place i should nt, and >getting accussed of being an Israeli spy, I thouroughly enjoyed the >experience ,and yes,my ring peice is still a virgin. > >You want proof of the terrorist attacks? >You want proof of the foundations of israel? >Everyyhing i said is fact > > >> 6.Dont bother replying as Im not intersted in what you have to say. > >Yeah, I make it my personal policy to mind what someone who cant type, can= t >spell, and has a complete inability to make an argument based on actual >facts. I hope this pisses you off, offends you, and otherwise makes your >head explode with utter disgust at my defiance. > >(PW) everything I wrote is fact,not my personal opinion. And all things >considered ,My typings passable.And no ,Im still ,cool, calm and >collected,are you? > > >> Everytime people mention going to other countries ,you lose it, > >You know, I think your inability to type represents your inability to read >and comprehend as well. I lose it when people jump into the fire and have = no >facts. Seems to me the only travel you have made is to cell block 4. "Tell >me Joey, have you ever been to a Turkish prison?" > > >(PW)On the contary,i have been to many countries in the world. >the Saudi royal family,is under extreme pressure ,by the fundamentallists,= It >is a fact. > >> do you ever wished you travelled a bit more?. > >Yeah, can I hang with you? I always wanted to take a trip to nowhere. > >(PW) stop poking your tongue out. > >P.S. >The porn reference, the homework bit and the "education" bit were a light >hearted jest,Yes its >so hard to do humor on the net. > >KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! >OCCISIO LOCATIO > >THE WEBMASTER, >JESTER >WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM >WWW.PARALLAX1.COM > >There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > >"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or >Gates?" > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 16:52:08 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:52:08 EST Subject: [kj] Show of Hands, please..... Message-ID: <45.19e9939.2d133538@aol.com> --part1_45.19e9939.2d133538_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 18/12/03 08:48:21 Pacific Standard Time, vassifer@earthlink.net writes: > WHO HERE THINKS IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER GATHERING POLL? > > ummm sorry mate but not me, my inbox has been full enough of crap lately as it is. Jel --part1_45.19e9939.2d133538_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 18/12/03 08:48:2= 1 Pacific Standard Time, vassifer@earthlink.net writes:

WHO HERE THINKS IT'S TIME FOR A= NOTHER GATHERING POLL?



   ummm sorry mate but not me, my inbox has been full enough of cr= ap lately as it is.


   Jel --part1_45.19e9939.2d133538_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 16:56:56 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:56:56 EST Subject: [kj] OUTRAGEOUS! ON TOPIC! NEWS! Message-ID: <14.1ee67350.2d133658@aol.com> --part1_14.1ee67350.2d133658_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 18/12/03 08:50:32 Pacific Standard Time, joker@Z6.com writes: > Killing Joke do not do anything until the start of summer whilst the > management concentrates on other artists in the fold such as Badly Drawn Boy. > (jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez) Pass me my gun dear, i have a muppet to shoot. Is this all that is stopping Killing Joke, a fucking idiot with a silly bobble hat, flared trousers and stubble ( shit did i just describe Marc Phillips?). Where does he live? il go round and shoot him, will that get things back online? No not Marc Phillips....Badly drawn useless cunt. Jel --part1_14.1ee67350.2d133658_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 18/12/03 08:50:3= 2 Pacific Standard Time, joker@Z6.com writes:

Killing Joke do not do anything= until the start of summer whilst the management concentrates on other artis= ts in the fold such as Badly Drawn Boy. (jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez)

   Pass me my gun dear, i have a muppet to shoot.

   Is this all that is stopping Killing Joke, a fucking idiot with= a silly bobble hat, flared trousers and stubble ( shit did i just describe=20= Marc Phillips?). Where does he live? il go round and shoot him, will that ge= t things back online? No not Marc Phillips....Badly drawn useless cunt.


   Jel --part1_14.1ee67350.2d133658_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 16:50:02 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Phillipps Marc) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:50:02 -0000 Subject: [kj] Show of Hands, please..... Message-ID: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1EB@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> >WHO HERE THINKS IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER GATHERING POLL? Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh !! (yes) :o) > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Smith [SMTP:vassifer@earthlink.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:47 PM > To: gathering@misera.net; gathering@misera.net > Subject: [kj] Show of Hands, please..... > > > > It's been a great while, and with so much dissent on the board these > days.... > > WHO HERE THINKS IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER GATHERING POLL? > > Lemme know, > > Alex in NYC > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 17:00:09 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:00:09 -0500 Subject: [kj] OUTRAGEOUS! ON TOPIC! NEWS! Message-ID: <200312181700.hBIH01Of009801@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> FACK! So rumours of another American leg of the tour is but a whiff of hemp in the wind? I was *DEARLY* hoping for another chance to see the band before I officially become a Dad (April). Bummer! Alex in NYC ---------- >From: Rob's Arse >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: [kj] OUTRAGEOUS! ON TOPIC! NEWS! >Date: Thu, Dec 18, 2003, 11:48 AM > >The Gathering was stunned to receive a post On Topic today when it was >reported that Killing Joke DO actually exist. > >Rumours of a conversation between Rob's Arse and Raven could not be >confirmed at the time of going to press, but, in hushed tones, it was said >that the next bout of Killing Joke activity may start in March. Sources >close to Rob's Arse may have said that the management are keen that Killing >Joke do not do anything until the start of summer whilst the management >concentrates on other artists in the fold such as Badly Drawn Boy. >(jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez). Geordie Walker (formally bequiffed stroker of >the six strings) is said to be keen to get cracking again and does not >fancy hanging about until June. > >Meanwhile The Raven is talking to the fabulously talented, charming, >handsome (and modest) Headcount about producing a new long playing record, >so that should keep him busy for a while. > >More news when we receive it............................ > > > >_____________________________________________________________ >Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of worldmap.com) >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 17:00:53 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:00:53 -0500 Subject: [kj] Show of Hands, please..... Message-ID: <200312181700.hBIH01Oh009801@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154593653_278674_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Jel, you hurt me in my very heart. Alex in NYC ---------- From: Jelbod@aol.com To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Show of Hands, please..... Date: Thu, Dec 18, 2003, 11:52 AM In a message dated 18/12/03 08:48:21 Pacific Standard Time, vassifer@earthlink.net writes: WHO HERE THINKS IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER GATHERING POLL? ummm sorry mate but not me, my inbox has been full enough of crap lately as it is. Jel --MS_Mac_OE_3154593653_278674_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] Show of Hands, please.....
Jel, you hurt me in my very heart.

Alex in NYC


----------
From: Jelbod@aol.com
To: gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] Show of Hands, please.....
Date: Thu, Dec 18, 2003, 11:52 AM


In a message dated 18/12/03 08:48:21 Pacific Sta= ndard Time, vassifer@earthlink.net write= s:

WHO HERE THINKS IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER GAT= HERING POLL?



   ummm sorry mate but not me, my inbox has been full enough= of crap lately as it is.


   Jel
--MS_Mac_OE_3154593653_278674_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 17:02:47 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Phillipps Marc) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:02:47 -0000 Subject: [kj] OUTRAGEOUS! ON TOPIC! NEWS! Message-ID: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1ED@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> >Where does he live? il go round and shoot him, will that get things = back online? No not >Marc Phillips....Badly drawn useless cunt. You sir, are Paul Rangecroft and I claim my five pounds ! (bobble hat . . I ask you !! With a fine head of hair like this??) :=ACp > -----Original Message----- > From: Jelbod@aol.com [SMTP:Jelbod@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:57 PM > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] OUTRAGEOUS! ON TOPIC! NEWS! >=20 > In a message dated 18/12/03 08:50:32 Pacific Standard Time, = joker@Z6.com > writes: >=20 >=20 >=20 > Killing Joke do not do anything until the start of summer whilst the > management concentrates on other artists in the fold such as Badly = Drawn > Boy. (jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez) >=20 >=20 >=20 > Pass me my gun dear, i have a muppet to shoot.=20 >=20 > Is this all that is stopping Killing Joke, a fucking idiot with a > silly bobble hat, flared trousers and stubble ( shit did i just = describe > Marc Phillips?). Where does he live? il go round and shoot him, will = that > get things back online? No not Marc Phillips....Badly drawn useless = cunt. >=20 >=20 > Jel >=20 >=20 This communication may contain information that is confidential and = legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). = If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information = within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet = Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 16:53:47 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:53:47 -0000 Subject: [kj] BY POPULAR DEMAND Message-ID: <007101c3c588$bbdbe380$8b086851@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C3C587.812CA770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK ,I ll (how the fuck does one do apostrophes )shut the fuck up. ,Bloody hell ,Robs arse im trying to save civillisation from imminent = destruction and you re worried about your in box. Oh yeah ,jester,I labelled my posts with (PW),to make them easy to = find.No hard feelings eh. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C3C587.812CA770 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
OK ,I ll (how the fuck does one do=20 apostrophes )shut the fuck up.
 
,Bloody hell ,Robs arse im trying to = save=20 civillisation from imminent destruction and you re worried about your in = box.
Oh yeah ,jester,I labelled my posts = with (PW),to=20 make them easy to find.No hard feelings eh.
------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C3C587.812CA770-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 17:03:56 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:03:56 EST Subject: [kj] Show of Hands, please..... Message-ID: --part1_ce.425afe89.2d1337fc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 18/12/03 09:02:58 Pacific Standard Time, vassifer@earthlink.net writes: > Jel, you hurt me in my very heart. > > Ok ask away. --part1_ce.425afe89.2d1337fc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 18/12/03 09:02:5= 8 Pacific Standard Time, vassifer@earthlink.net writes:

Jel, you hurt me in my very hea= rt.



   Ok ask away. --part1_ce.425afe89.2d1337fc_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 17:03:31 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:03:31 EST Subject: [kj] OUTRAGEOUS! ON TOPIC! NEWS! Message-ID: <154.2a187ebe.2d1337e3@aol.com> --part1_154.2a187ebe.2d1337e3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 18/12/03 09:02:36 Pacific Standard Time, vassifer@earthlink.net writes: > Bummer! > > Come on Alex....being a dad is great! --part1_154.2a187ebe.2d1337e3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 18/12/03 09:02:3= 6 Pacific Standard Time, vassifer@earthlink.net writes:

Bummer!


   Come on Alex....being a dad is great! --part1_154.2a187ebe.2d1337e3_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 17:00:41 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:00:41 -0000 Subject: [kj] Show of Hands, please..... References: <20031218164835.21848.qmail@web25007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007201c3c588$e11ca1c0$8b086851@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C3C588.77B46100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HHmmmmm ,I wonder who will win most annoying,biggest tosser ,worst = speller etc,etc.I think ill go and get meself a trophy cabinet ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jim Harper=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [kj] Show of Hands, please..... Good god yes. Alex Smith wrote:=20 It's been a great while, and with so much dissent on the board these days.... WHO HERE THINKS IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER GATHERING POLL? Lemme know, Alex in NYC _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! = Download Messenger Now ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C3C588.77B46100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
HHmmmmm ,I wonder who will win most=20 annoying,biggest tosser ,worst speller etc,etc.I think ill go and get = meself a=20 trophy cabinet
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jim=20 Harper
Sent: Thursday, December 18, = 2003 4:48=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Show of = Hands,=20 please.....

Good god yes.

Alex Smith <vassifer@earthlink.net>= =20 wrote:=20


It's=20 been a great while, and with so much dissent on the board=20 these
days....

WHO HERE THINKS IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER = GATHERING=20 POLL?

Lemme know,

Alex in=20 NYC
_______________________________________________
Gathering = mailing=20 list
Gathering@misera.net
http://four.= pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering

Yahoo!=20 Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! = Download=20 Messenger Now
------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C3C588.77B46100-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 17:05:16 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:05:16 EST Subject: [kj] OUTRAGEOUS! ON TOPIC! NEWS! Message-ID: <178.23c6443b.2d13384c@aol.com> --part1_178.23c6443b.2d13384c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 18/12/03 09:04:20 Pacific Standard Time, Marc.Phillipps@enfield.nhs.uk writes: > You sir, are Paul Rangecroft Right thats fighting talk....il see you outside sir! --part1_178.23c6443b.2d13384c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 18/12/03 09:04:2= 0 Pacific Standard Time, Marc.Phillipps@enfield.nhs.uk writes:

You sir, are Paul Rangecroft

Right thats fighting talk....il see you outside sir! --part1_178.23c6443b.2d13384c_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 17:06:43 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Rob's Arse) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:06:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] BY POPULAR DEMAND Message-ID: <20031218170643.4FE553955@sitemail.everyone.net> cock --- "peter.west410" wrote: OK ,I ll (how the fuck does one do apostrophes )shut the fuck up. ,Bloody hell ,Robs arse im trying to save civillisation from imminent destruction and you re worried about your in box. Oh yeah ,jester,I labelled my posts with (PW),to make them easy to find.No hard feelings eh. _____________________________________________________________ Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of worldmap.com) From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 17:07:53 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:07:53 EST Subject: [kj] Show of Hands, please..... Message-ID: <11.1ed1603f.2d1338e9@aol.com> --part1_11.1ed1603f.2d1338e9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 18/12/03 09:07:06 Pacific Standard Time, peter.west410@ntlworld.com writes: > HHmmmmm ,I wonder who will win most annoying,biggest tosser ,worst speller > etc,etc.I think ill go and get meself a trophy cabinet Oi you get behind me and wait your turn matey. --part1_11.1ed1603f.2d1338e9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 18/12/03 09:07:0= 6 Pacific Standard Time, peter.west410@ntlworld.com writes:

HHmmmmm ,I wonder who will win=20= most annoying,biggest tosser ,worst speller etc,etc.I think ill go and get m= eself a trophy cabinet


    Oi you get behind me and wait your turn matey. --part1_11.1ed1603f.2d1338e9_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 17:08:28 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Rob's Arse) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:08:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OUTRAGEOUS! ON TOPIC! NEWS! Message-ID: <20031218170829.136B23985@sitemail.everyone.net> Except for when 4 year olds break your leg! --- Jelbod@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 18/12/03 09:02:36 Pacific Standard Time, vassifer@earthlink.net writes: > Bummer! > > Come on Alex....being a dad is great! _____________________________________________________________ Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of worldmap.com) From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 17:08:55 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:08:55 -0600 Subject: [kj] OUTRAGEOUS! ON TOPIC! NEWS! In-Reply-To: <20031218164802.B6D443986@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: Raven has been busy today. I myself had a bit of a conversation with him, confirming your worst fears about an arse of a record. March dates? Alex, I hear your concerned a bit. Don=B9t worry. I have a hunch things might work the way you wish. Just a hunch tho. On 12/18/03 10:48 AM, "Rob's Arse" wrote: > The Gathering was stunned to receive a post On Topic today when it was > reported that Killing Joke DO actually exist. >=20 > Rumours of a conversation between Rob's Arse and Raven could not be confi= rmed > at the time of going to press, but, in hushed tones, it was said that the= next > bout of Killing Joke activity may start in March. Sources close to Rob's = Arse > may have said that the management are keen that Killing Joke do not do > anything until the start of summer whilst the management concentrates on = other > artists in the fold such as Badly Drawn Boy. (jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez). > Geordie Walker (formally bequiffed stroker of the six strings) is said to= be > keen to get cracking again and does not fancy hanging about until June. >=20 > Meanwhile The Raven is talking to the fabulously talented, charming, hand= some > (and modest) Headcount about producing a new long playing record, so that > should keep him busy for a while. >=20 > More news when we receive it............................ >=20 >=20 >=20 > _____________________________________________________________ > Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of worldmap.com) > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >=20 >=20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 17:11:21 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:11:21 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT Reintro Message-ID: <200312181711.hBIH7pOj026064@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154594281_316469_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Welcome back, Ross.... Al exi n nyc ---------- From: "Ross O'Donoghue" To: Subject: Re: [kj] OT Reintro Date: Wed, Dec 17, 2003, 5:49 PM Just back on the list after an absence of far too many months ( work, not incarceration in an Arab/Muslim land ) and I'm absolutely thrilled to see w= e are back to acrimony, dispute and good old bitchin'. Peter, I'll add my rusty old tuppence once I stop laughing! Alex, fine man you are, may the Lord bless your keyboard and keep ye safe. Ross. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jester To: Gathering Sent: 18 Aral=FDk 2003 Per=FEembe 05:36 Subject: Re: [kj] Intro Cheers Rudy! Welcome to insanity and hell...may your stay not be too miserable ;-) On 12/17/03 9:09 PM, "Falcata-Galia Recordings" > wrote: Hello; I just joined the list. My name is Rudy Carrera, and Ive been looking for this mailing list for a long time. Im an old fan of the band and wanted to see if I could learn more by being here. Regards, Rudolph A. Carrera KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --MS_Mac_OE_3154594281_316469_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT Reintro
Welcome back, Ross....

Al exi n nyc


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From: "Ross O'Donoghue" <donoghue@superonline.com>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] OT Reintro
Date: Wed, Dec 17, 2003, 5:49 PM


Just back on the list after an absence of far to= o many months ( work, not incarceration in an Arab/Muslim land ) and I'm abs= olutely thrilled to see we are back to acrimony, dispute and good old bitchi= n'. Peter, I'll add my rusty old tuppence once I stop laughing! Alex, fine m= an you are, may the Lord bless your keyboard and keep ye safe.
Ross.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jester <mailto:webmaster@killing-j= oke.com>  
To: Gathering <mailto:gathering@misera.n= et>  
Sent: 18 Aral=FDk 2003 Per=FEembe 05:36
Subject: Re: [kj] Intro

Cheers Rudy!

Welcome to insanity and hell...may your stay not be too miserable ;-)

On 12/17/03 9:09 PM, "Falcata-Galia Recordings" <fgrecs@adelphia.net <mail= to:fgrecs@adelphia.net> > wrote:

Hello;
 
I just joined the list.
 
My name is Rudy Carrera, and Ive been looking for this mailing list for a l= ong time.  Im an old fan of the band and wanted to see if I could learn= more by being here.
 
Regards,
Rudolph A. Carrera


KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"

--MS_Mac_OE_3154594281_316469_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 17:11:49 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:11:49 EST Subject: [kj] OUTRAGEOUS! ON TOPIC! NEWS! Message-ID: <29.4d82e197.2d1339d5@aol.com> --part1_29.4d82e197.2d1339d5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 18/12/03 09:10:39 Pacific Standard Time, joker@Z6.com writes: > Except for when 4 year olds break your leg! > > > Ok....rofl....but apart from that --part1_29.4d82e197.2d1339d5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 18/12/03 09:10:3= 9 Pacific Standard Time, joker@Z6.com writes:

Except for when 4 year olds bre= ak your leg!




   Ok....rofl....but apart from that --part1_29.4d82e197.2d1339d5_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 17:12:55 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:12:55 -0500 Subject: [kj] The Big Takeover - wait for it. Message-ID: <200312181712.hBIH7pOl026064@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> I chatted with Sir Jack of Rabid at the KJ show in October at Webster Hall (when I wasn't needlessly striking my fellow Gatherer in the shoulder or spluttering beerily in unsuspecting NON-Jokers faces). A fine, fine gent, he. Alex in NYC ---------- >From: "death wish" >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: [kj] The Big Takeover - wait for it. >Date: Wed, Dec 17, 2003, 12:37 PM > >Respect to Jack Rabid's mighty fine mega-fanzine The Big Takeover who, in >their 53rd issue (Belle & Sebastian cover,) pay respect to Killing Joke not >only in the good album review, but by also printing the lyrics to Seeing Red >on the back page AND it looks like there will be a feature on KJ in the next >issue. > >They only publish about 2-3 times a year, so let's hope the next ish >coincides with the 2004 tour. > >T. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 17:14:52 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:14:52 -0500 Subject: [kj] OUTRAGEOUS! ON TOPIC! NEWS! Message-ID: <200312181714.hBIH7pOp026064@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> "I have a hunch things might work the way you wish. Just a hunch tho." Hope is all I have these days. Hope. And Fear. Lots of Fear. Alex in NYC ---------- >From: Jester >To: Gathering >Subject: Re: [kj] OUTRAGEOUS! ON TOPIC! NEWS! >Date: Thu, Dec 18, 2003, 12:08 PM > >Raven has been busy today. > >I myself had a bit of a conversation with him, confirming your worst fears >about an arse of a record. > >March dates? Alex, I hear your concerned a bit. Don=B9t worry. I have a hunc= h >things might work the way you wish. Just a hunch tho. > >On 12/18/03 10:48 AM, "Rob's Arse" wrote: > >> The Gathering was stunned to receive a post On Topic today when it was >> reported that Killing Joke DO actually exist. >> >> Rumours of a conversation between Rob's Arse and Raven could not be conf= irmed >> at the time of going to press, but, in hushed tones, it was said that th= e next >> bout of Killing Joke activity may start in March. Sources close to Rob's= Arse >> may have said that the management are keen that Killing Joke do not do >> anything until the start of summer whilst the management concentrates on= other >> artists in the fold such as Badly Drawn Boy. (jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez). >> Geordie Walker (formally bequiffed stroker of the six strings) is said t= o be >> keen to get cracking again and does not fancy hanging about until June. >> >> Meanwhile The Raven is talking to the fabulously talented, charming, han= dsome >> (and modest) Headcount about producing a new long playing record, so tha= t >> should keep him busy for a while. >> >> More news when we receive it............................ >> >> >> >> _____________________________________________________________ >> Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of worldmap.com) >> _______________________________________________ >> Gathering mailing list >> Gathering@misera.net >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >> >> > >KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! >OCCISIO LOCATIO > >THE WEBMASTER, >JESTER >WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM >WWW.PARALLAX1.COM > >There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > >"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or >Gates?" > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 17:09:30 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Phillipps Marc) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:09:30 -0000 Subject: [kj] OUTRAGEOUS! ON TOPIC! NEWS! Message-ID: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1EE@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> >Right thats fighting talk....il see you outside sir! I went out and you weren't there ? (I got cold and everything !) :=ACD > -----Original Message----- > From: Jelbod@aol.com [SMTP:Jelbod@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 5:05 PM > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] OUTRAGEOUS! ON TOPIC! NEWS! >=20 > In a message dated 18/12/03 09:04:20 Pacific Standard Time, > Marc.Phillipps@enfield.nhs.uk writes: >=20 >=20 >=20 > You sir, are Paul Rangecroft=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Right thats fighting talk....il see you outside sir! >=20 >=20 This communication may contain information that is confidential and = legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). = If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information = within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet = Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 17:07:58 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:07:58 -0500 Subject: [kj] OUTRAGEOUS! ON TOPIC! NEWS! Message-ID: <200312181707.hBIH7pOf026064@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154594078_304277_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Isn't the world OVER Badly Drawn Boy by now? Haven't we all realized that he's a one-tricky-pony, springsteen-worshipping sham? Weren't countless reports of shoddy live appearances and palpable disdain for his fawning audience and the utter, dismal failure of his second album enough to convince people that pursuing him as a viable source of music for years to come is a desperate waste of time? Shouldn't the fact that he also leant his music to a fucking Hugh Grant film have also swept him out to the very seas of exiled obscurity that artists like Gay Dad, Flowered Up and Northside now call home? And shouldn't he take the fucking Kings of Leon and My Morning Jacket with him? Jel, please go kill him. Thanks. Alex in NYC ---------- From: Jelbod@aol.com To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] OUTRAGEOUS! ON TOPIC! NEWS! Date: Thu, Dec 18, 2003, 11:56 AM In a message dated 18/12/03 08:50:32 Pacific Standard Time, joker@Z6.com writes: Killing Joke do not do anything until the start of summer whilst the management concentrates on other artists in the fold such as Badly Drawn Boy. (jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez) Pass me my gun dear, i have a muppet to shoot. Is this all that is stopping Killing Joke, a fucking idiot with a silly bobble hat, flared trousers and stubble ( shit did i just describe Marc Phillips?). Where does he live? il go round and shoot him, will that get things back online? No not Marc Phillips....Badly drawn useless cunt. Jel --MS_Mac_OE_3154594078_304277_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OUTRAGEOUS! ON TOPIC! NEWS!
Isn't the world OVER Badly Drawn Boy by now? Haven't we all realized that h= e's a one-tricky-pony, springsteen-worshipping sham? Weren't countless repor= ts of shoddy live appearances and palpable disdain for his fawning audience = and the utter, dismal failure of his second album enough to convince people = that pursuing him as a viable source of music for years to come is a despera= te waste of time? Shouldn't the fact that he also leant his music to a fucki= ng Hugh Grant film have also swept him out to the very seas of exiled obscur= ity that artists like Gay Dad, Flowered Up and Northside now call home? And = shouldn't he take the fucking Kings of Leon and My Morning Jacket with him?<= BR>
Jel, please go kill him. Thanks.

Alex in NYC




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From: Jelbod@aol.com
To: gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] OUTRAGEOUS! ON TOPIC! NEWS!
Date: Thu, Dec 18, 2003, 11:56 AM


In a message dated 18/12/03 08:50:32 Pacific Sta= ndard Time, joker@Z6.com writes:

Killing Joke do not do anything until the= start of summer whilst the management concentrates on other artists in the = fold such as Badly Drawn Boy. (jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez)


   Pass me my gun dear, i have a muppet to shoot.

   Is this all that is stopping Killing Joke, a fucking idio= t with a silly bobble hat, flared trousers and stubble ( shit did i just des= cribe Marc Phillips?). Where does he live? il go round and shoot him, will t= hat get things back online? No not Marc Phillips....Badly drawn useless cunt= .


   Jel
--MS_Mac_OE_3154594078_304277_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 17:09:58 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:09:58 -0500 Subject: [kj] OUTRAGEOUS! ON TOPIC! NEWS! Message-ID: <200312181709.hBIH7pOh026064@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154594199_311527_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I was, of course, referring to my sorrow at not being able to see Killing Joke again, not my impending parenthood. Alex in NYC ---------- From: Jelbod@aol.com To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] OUTRAGEOUS! ON TOPIC! NEWS! Date: Thu, Dec 18, 2003, 12:03 PM In a message dated 18/12/03 09:02:36 Pacific Standard Time, vassifer@earthlink.net writes: Bummer! Come on Alex....being a dad is great! --MS_Mac_OE_3154594199_311527_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OUTRAGEOUS! ON TOPIC! NEWS!
I was, of course, referring to my sorrow at not being able to see Killing J= oke again, not my impending parenthood.

Alex in NYC


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From: Jelbod@aol.com
To: gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] OUTRAGEOUS! ON TOPIC! NEWS!
Date: Thu, Dec 18, 2003, 12:03 PM


In a message dated 18/12/03 09:02:36 Pacific Sta= ndard Time, vassifer@earthlink.net write= s:

Bummer!


   Come on Alex....being a dad is great!
--MS_Mac_OE_3154594199_311527_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 17:11:44 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Rob's Arse) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:11:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] Show of Hands, please..... Message-ID: <20031218171144.7DE5B7276@sitemail.everyone.net> The thought of "getting behing you" Jel really turns my gut (especially if Phillips was there before me!) :-) --- Jelbod@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 18/12/03 09:07:06 Pacific Standard Time, peter.west410@ntlworld.com writes: > HHmmmmm ,I wonder who will win most annoying,biggest tosser ,worst speller > etc,etc.I think ill go and get meself a trophy cabinet Oi you get behind me and wait your turn matey. _____________________________________________________________ Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of worldmap.com) From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 17:12:56 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:12:56 -0600 Subject: [kj] OUTRAGEOUS! ON TOPIC! NEWS! In-Reply-To: <20031218170829.136B23985@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: On 12/18/03 11:08 AM, "Rob's Arse" wrote: > Except for when 4 year olds break your leg! > > Hahaha...got yer ass kicked by a 4 year old...hahaha Pussy... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 17:13:49 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:13:49 -0500 Subject: [kj] Show of Hands, please..... Message-ID: <200312181713.hBIH7pOn026064@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154594429_325373_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The polls don't usually ask such questions, Peter, don't worry. Alex in NYC ---------- From: "peter.west410" To: Subject: Re: [kj] Show of Hands, please..... Date: Thu, Dec 18, 2003, 12:00 PM HHmmmmm ,I wonder who will win most annoying,biggest tosser ,worst speller etc,etc.I think ill go and get meself a trophy cabinet ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Harper To: gathering@misera.net Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [kj] Show of Hands, please..... Good god yes. Alex Smith > wrote: It's been a great while, and with so much dissent on the board these days.... WHO HERE THINKS IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER GATHERING POLL? Lemme know, Alex in NYC _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now --MS_Mac_OE_3154594429_325373_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] Show of Hands, please.....
The polls don't usually ask such questions, Peter, don't worry.

Alex in NYC


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From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] Show of Hands, please.....
Date: Thu, Dec 18, 2003, 12:00 PM


HHmmmmm ,I wonder who will win most annoying,big= gest tosser ,worst speller etc,etc.I think ill go and get meself a trophy ca= binet
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Harper <mailto:jimharper666@ya= hoo.co.uk>  
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>  
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Show of Hands, please.....

Good god yes.

Alex Smith <vassifer@earthlink.ne= t <mailto:vassifer@eart= hlink.net> > wrote:


It's been a great while, and with so much dissent on the board these
days....

WHO HERE THINKS IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER GATHERING POLL?

Lemme know,

Alex in NYC
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--MS_Mac_OE_3154594429_325373_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 17:19:55 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:19:55 EST Subject: [kj] OUTRAGEOUS! ON TOPIC! NEWS! Message-ID: <10e.2a3889cb.2d133bbb@aol.com> --part1_10e.2a3889cb.2d133bbb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 18/12/03 09:19:03 Pacific Standard Time, Marc.Phillipps@enfield.nhs.uk writes: > I went out and you weren't there ? > > Thats cos im ere innit...wrap up warm next time. --part1_10e.2a3889cb.2d133bbb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 18/12/03 09:19:0= 3 Pacific Standard Time, Marc.Phillipps@enfield.nhs.uk writes:

I went out and you weren't ther= e ?



   Thats cos im ere innit...wrap up warm next time. --part1_10e.2a3889cb.2d133bbb_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 17:20:41 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:20:41 EST Subject: [kj] OUTRAGEOUS! ON TOPIC! NEWS! Message-ID: <1e2.15e3494c.2d133be9@aol.com> --part1_1e2.15e3494c.2d133be9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 18/12/03 09:19:51 Pacific Standard Time, vassifer@earthlink.net writes: > Jel, please go kill him. Thanks. > > On me way......ummm where does he live? --part1_1e2.15e3494c.2d133be9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 18/12/03 09:19:5= 1 Pacific Standard Time, vassifer@earthlink.net writes:

Jel, please go kill him. Thanks= .



   On me way......ummm where does he live? --part1_1e2.15e3494c.2d133be9_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 17:22:27 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:22:27 -0600 Subject: [kj] OUTRAGEOUS! ON TOPIC! NEWS! In-Reply-To: <200312181714.hBIH7pOp026064@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: On 12/18/03 11:14 AM, "Alex Smith" wrote: > Fear. Lots of Fear. > > Alex in NYC > Heh...wait a few more months for that to REALLY kick in...end of the third trimester, me thinks you will be a bit of a wreck. Just remember tho, I told you, all will be well. Trust me on that. KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 17:22:43 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:22:43 EST Subject: [kj] OUTRAGEOUS! ON TOPIC! NEWS! Message-ID: <23.38dff7a5.2d133c63@aol.com> --part1_23.38dff7a5.2d133c63_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 18/12/03 09:20:15 Pacific Standard Time, vassifer@earthlink.net writes: > I was, of course, referring to my sorrow at not being able to see Killing > Joke again, not my impending parenthood Damn my English sense of humour. Alex i look forward to you being a dad as much as you do and i certainly feel the same about KJ --part1_23.38dff7a5.2d133c63_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 18/12/03 09:20:1= 5 Pacific Standard Time, vassifer@earthlink.net writes:

I was, of course, referring to=20= my sorrow at not being able to see Killing Joke again, not my impending pare= nthood


   Damn my English sense of humour.

   Alex i look forward to you being a dad as much as you do and i=20= certainly feel the same about KJ --part1_23.38dff7a5.2d133c63_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 17:25:25 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Brian Whitehead) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:25:25 -0000 Subject: [kj] Geordie caption comp Message-ID: <00bb01c3c58b$ed713050$dcd77ad5@EmmaJane> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01C3C58B.ECB4BE20 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00B8_01C3C58B.ECB4BE20" ------=_NextPart_001_00B8_01C3C58B.ECB4BE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is it safe to come out of lurking ? Just what has Geordie seen ? Is Raven doing a 'moon' on the otherr side of the stage ? Its from my Sheffield gig collection which I have only just sorted out.=20 Your humble servant Brian. ------=_NextPart_001_00B8_01C3C58B.ECB4BE20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is it safe to come out of lurking = ?
Just what has Geordie seen = ?
Is Raven doing a 'moon' on the otherr = side of the=20 stage ?
 
Its from my Sheffield gig collection = which I have=20 only just sorted out. 
 
Your humble servant Brian.
 
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In-Reply-To: <200312181713.hBIH7pOn026064@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154591432_4807304 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 12/18/03 11:13 AM, "Alex Smith" wrote: > > The polls don't usually ask such questions, Peter, don't worry. > > Alex in NYC > > And every now and then, they are actually on topic..haha KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154591432_4807304 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] Show of Hands, please..... On 12/18/03 11:13 AM, &= quot;Alex Smith" <vassifer@earthlink.net> wrote:


The polls don't usually ask such questions, Peter, don't worry.

Alex in NYC


And every now and then, they are actually on topic..haha


KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
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WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place = like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3154591432_4807304-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 17:26:10 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dirk Kingerske) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:26:10 +0100 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth Message-ID:



>You could have said much the same about the Germans for the first half of this century, but these days they seem ok, well, except for Dirk.
 
Bow the head or grip the sabre - Vernichten regenerate. Bright eyed young inherit  all
treading down upon the fallen.....     wait a second, I'm brown-eyed and not exactly young :o)
 
dirt

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>

>Rumours of a conversation between Rob's Arse and Raven could not be confirmed at the time of going to press, but, in hushed tones, it was said that the next bout of Killing Joke activity may start in March. Sources close to Rob's Arse may have said that the management are keen that Killing Joke do not do anything until the start of summer whilst the management concentrates on other artists in the fold such as Badly Drawn Boy. (jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez).

 

sorry, but I can't see the problem what have the management done to promote the last tour??????

 

dirk 

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Preissturz beim MSN Easysurfer - Surfen Sie für 1,1 Cent / Minute! Jetzt supergünstig einsteigen! From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 17:29:04 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:29:04 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] OUTRAGEOUS! ON TOPIC! NEWS! In-Reply-To: from "Jester" at Dec 18, 2003 11:12:56 AM Message-ID: <200312181729.hBIHT4Hi000032@basil.jkm.net> > Hahaha...got yer ass kicked by a 4 year old...hahaha > > > Pussy... Nancy boy ;-) From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 17:29:33 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:29:33 -0500 Subject: [kj] Geordie caption comp Message-ID: <200312181729.hBIHTPOf011641@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154595373_382181_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit "Ummmm....how does 'Wardance' start again?" --MS_Mac_OE_3154595373_382181_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] Geordie caption comp

"Ummmm....how does 'Wardance' start again?"

--MS_Mac_OE_3154595373_382181_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 17:46:48 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dirk Kingerske) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:46:48 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: Ultimate xmass pressi/ that's why we need the us of a Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_533b_7a3b_5497 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
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>

>Rumours of a conversation between Rob's Arse and Raven could not be confirmed at the time of going to press, but, in hushed tones, it was said that the next bout of Killing Joke activity may start in March. Sources close to Rob's Arse may have said that the management are keen that Killing Joke do not do anything until the start of summer whilst the management concentrates on other artists in the fold such as Badly Drawn Boy. (jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez).

 

sorry, but I can't see the problem what have the management done to promote the last tour??????

 

dirk 

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Preissturz beim MSN Easysurfer - Surfen Sie für 1,1 Cent / Minute! Jetzt supergünstig einsteigen! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------=_NextPart_000_533b_7a3b_5497-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 20:49:33 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Will E Scheipers) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:49:33 -0800 Subject: [kj] Show of Hands, please..... Message-ID: <20031218.125300.1104.6.Wscheip1@juno.com> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_5b63.720a.7b91 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm game. From, Will On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:48:35 +0000 (GMT) =?iso-8859-1?q?Jim=20Harper?= writes: Good god yes. Alex Smith wrote: It's been a great while, and with so much dissent on the board these days.... WHO HERE THINKS IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER GATHERING POLL? Lemme know, Alex in NYC _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now ----__JNP_000_5b63.720a.7b91 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm game.
 
From,
Will
 
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:48:35 +0000 (GMT) =3D?iso-8859-1?q?Jim=3D= 20Harper?=3D=20 <jimharper666@yahoo.co.uk>=20 writes:
Good god yes.

Alex Smith=20 <vassifer@earthlink.net> wrote:=20


It's=20 been a great while, and with so much dissent on the board=20 these
days....

WHO HERE THINKS IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER = GATHERING=20 POLL?

Lemme know,

Alex in=20 NYC
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----__JNP_000_5b63.720a.7b91-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 20:49:14 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Will E Scheipers) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:49:14 -0800 Subject: [kj] OUTRAGEOUS! ON TOPIC! NEWS! Message-ID: <20031218.125300.1104.5.Wscheip1@juno.com> When is the DVD supposed to come out? Anything confirmed and set in stone? Or as set in stone as it can be..... From, Will On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:48:02 -0800 (PST) Rob's Arse writes: > The Gathering was stunned to receive a post On Topic today when it > was reported that Killing Joke DO actually exist. > > Rumours of a conversation between Rob's Arse and Raven could not be > confirmed at the time of going to press, but, in hushed tones, it > was said that the next bout of Killing Joke activity may start in > March. Sources close to Rob's Arse may have said that the management > are keen that Killing Joke do not do anything until the start of > summer whilst the management concentrates on other artists in the > fold such as Badly Drawn Boy. (jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez). Geordie > Walker (formally bequiffed stroker of the six strings) is said to be > keen to get cracking again and does not fancy hanging about until > June. > > Meanwhile The Raven is talking to the fabulously talented, charming, > handsome (and modest) Headcount about producing a new long playing > record, so that should keep him busy for a while. > > More news when we receive it............................ > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of worldmap.com) > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 17:17:20 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (JOKERS PUB CAFE) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:17:20 -0200 Subject: [kj] Show of Hands, please..... References: <20031218164835.21848.qmail@web25007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <019401c3c591$e9aa7ca0$fdcfddc8@o7l3j2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_013F_01C3C57A.080604C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yuppy!!!!!!! a final poll for the end of 2003 I would like it diaz ------=_NextPart_000_013F_01C3C57A.080604C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yuppy!!!!!!!
 
a final poll for the end of = 2003
 
I would like it
 
 
diaz
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_013F_01C3C57A.080604C0-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 18:17:06 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:17:06 -0500 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Message-ID: <200312181816.hBIIGwOf006595@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154598226_553799_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Alright. As threatened, herewith THE GATHERING YEAR-END POLL FOR 2003. Most of you know how this works, but being that there are a lot of newbies around these days, simply Cut'n Paste the following questionaire part of this message into a new message and answer the questions as they apply to you, and then send them to the Gathering (gathering@misera.net). This is not a scientific nor deadly serious poll, so feel free to waive any questions that you find too invasive, but by the same token -- don't be a big pussy, answer the questions. It's only 45 questions, and most of them are short, one or two word answers, so keep thy whining to thyself. 1) Your Name: 2) Your Age: 3) Are you married and have you any children? 4) I live here: 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: 6) What do you want for X-mas? 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? 12) Worst music you heard all year: 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music) 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: 17) Most overrated music of the year: 18) Most underrated music of the year: 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? 25) Favorite track on the new album: 26) Least favorite track on the new album: 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: 42) Tony Blair is a: _________. 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? ::::END:::: --MS_Mac_OE_3154598226_553799_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03

Alright. As threatened, herewith THE GATHERING YEAR-END POLL FOR 2003. Most of you know how this works, but being that there are a lot of newbie= s around these days, simply Cut'n Paste the following questionaire part of t= his message into a new message and answer the questions as they apply to you= , and then send them to the Gathering  (gathering@misera.net). This is = not a scientific nor deadly serious poll, so feel free to waive any question= s that you find too invasive, but by the same token -- don't be a big pussy,= answer the questions.  It's only 45 questions, and most of them are sh= ort, one or two word answers, so keep thy whining to thyself.


1) Your Name:

2) Your Age:

3) Are you married and have you any children?

4) I live here:

5) I've been a member of the Gathering since:

6) What do you want for X-mas?

7) Your biggest extravagance of the year?

8) Your biggest hopes for 2004?

9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?:

10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favor= ite releases of the year?

11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate?

12) Worst music you heard all year:

13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, = I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restri= cted to music)

14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material:

15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day:

16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee:

17) Most overrated music of the year:

18) Most underrated music of the year:

19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are:

20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet

22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the= following to happen:

23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain yo= ur reaction

24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red = Krusty Clown?

25) Favorite track on the new album:

26) Least favorite track on the new album:

27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been:<= BR>
28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your = thoughts?

29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killin= g Joke record?

30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today:

31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FU= CK ARE YOU WAITING FOR?

32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site?
33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White Hou= se:

34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended?

35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way:

36) Where is Osama Bin Laden:

37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefro= nt (US/UK/EUR)?

38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance?

39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2= 001?

40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day?

41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be= :

42) Tony Blair is a: _________.

43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime= with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction:

44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you= feel this way. Support your argument:

45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation be= tter off: Bush's or Clinton's?

::::END::::
--MS_Mac_OE_3154598226_553799_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 18:24:34 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:24:34 -0600 Subject: [kj] Geordie caption comp In-Reply-To: <00bb01c3c58b$ed713050$dcd77ad5@EmmaJane> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154595075_5038561 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3154595075_4998524" --B_3154595075_4998524 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit OH MY GOD...we got Garth Brooks on drums... On 12/18/03 11:25 AM, "Brian Whitehead" wrote: > Is it safe to come out of lurking ? > Just what has Geordie seen ? > Is Raven doing a 'moon' on the otherr side of the stage ? > > Its from my Sheffield gig collection which I have only just sorted out. > > Your humble servant Brian. > > > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154595075_4998524 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] Geordie caption comp OH MY GOD...we got Gart= h Brooks on drums...

On 12/18/03 11:25 AM, "Brian Whitehead" <wittz@btinternet.com&= gt; wrote:

Is it safe to come out of lurking ?
Just what has Geordie seen ?
Is Raven doing a 'moon' on the otherr side of the stage ?
Its from my Sheffield gig collection which I have= only just sorted out.
 
Your humble servant Brian.




KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
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(=?iso-8859-1?q?Jim=20Harper?=) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:31:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: <200312181816.hBIIGwOf006595@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20031218183108.70688.qmail@web25006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --0-636684132-1071772268=:70582 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Alex Smith wrote: 1) Your Name: Jim Harper 2) Your Age: 28 3) Are you married and have you any children? Yes. Five stepchildren. They're my wife's, but I pay or them so they're mine. 4) I live here: Devon, UK. 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: early 2000. 6) What do you want for X-mas? Many movies. 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? Movies. 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? Movies. 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: Type O Negative's 'Life Is Killing Me'. It's very good indeed. 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? Type O Negative's 'Life Is Killing Me'. 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Killing Joke. Bloody Marvellous. 12) Worst music you heard all year: The Darkness. 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of _Oasis__, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music) 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material:Bauhaus, Public Image. 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: The Darkness. 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: PiL 'Album', Sisters of Mercy 'F&L&A' 17) Most overrated music of the year: The Darkness. 18) Most underrated music of the year: Dunno. 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: Public Image, Faith No More, Bauhaus, Tragically Hip, Nine Inch Nails. 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet. Good. 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: They'd tour much, much more. 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction. Pant-wettingly good. 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? Anything. 25) Favorite track on the new album: Blood On Your Hands. 26) Least favorite track on the new album: Loose Cannon. 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: Seeing Red. 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? Nope. 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? Jim Thirlwell. 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Bloodsport. 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Money. 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: 'Beat' Takeshi. 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? No. 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: Gingerly. 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Next to Waldo. 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Nope. 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? No. 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? No. 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? Chatting to the Gathering when Raven told us. 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: Smoke a cigarette. 42) Tony Blair is a: _dildo_. 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: Good move. Seriously, it's a great idea. 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument:True. No. 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? Clinton's, but whether it could have lasted is another question. ::::END:::: --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now --0-636684132-1071772268=:70582 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


Alex Smith <vassifer@earthlink.net> wrote:


1) Your Name: Jim Harper

2) Your Age: 28

3) Are you married and have you any children? Yes. Five stepchildren. They're my wife's, but I pay or them so they're mine.

4) I live here: Devon, UK.

5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: early 2000.

6) What do you want for X-mas? Many movies.

7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? Movies.

8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? Movies.

9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: Type O Negative's 'Life Is Killing Me'. It's very good indeed.

10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? Type O Negative's 'Life Is Killing Me'.

11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Killing Joke. Bloody Marvellous.

12) Worst music you heard all year: The Darkness.

13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of _Oasis__, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music)

14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material:Bauhaus, Public Image.

15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: The Darkness.

16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: PiL 'Album', Sisters of Mercy 'F&L&A'

17) Most overrated music of the year: The Darkness.

18) Most underrated music of the year: Dunno.

19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: Public Image, Faith No More, Bauhaus, Tragically Hip, Nine Inch Nails.

20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet. Good.

22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: They'd tour much, much more.

23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction. Pant-wettingly good.

24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? Anything.

25) Favorite track on the new album: Blood On Your Hands.

26) Least favorite track on the new album: Loose Cannon.

27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: Seeing Red.

28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? Nope.

29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? Jim Thirlwell.

30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Bloodsport.

31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Money.

32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site?

33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: 'Beat' Takeshi.

34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? No.

35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: Gingerly.

36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Next to Waldo.

37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Nope.

38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? No.

39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? No.

40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? Chatting to the Gathering when Raven told us.

41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: Smoke a cigarette.

42) Tony Blair is a: _dildo_.

43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: Good move. Seriously, it's a great idea.

44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument:True. No.

45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? Clinton's, but whether it could have lasted is another question.

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Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now --0-636684132-1071772268=:70582-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 18:33:52 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:33:52 -0500 Subject: [kj] ot - a look in the daily briefs Message-ID: <3FE1ACC0.20828.134814C@localhost> --Alt-Boundary-9358.20218188 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body hmm, a look in the prez's daily briefs sounds a tad kinky, but seriously... http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/17/eveningnews/main58 9137.shtml 9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable CBS News December 17, 2003 For the first time, the chairman of the independent commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks is saying publicly that 9/11 could have and should have been prevented, reports CBS News Correspondent Randall Pinkston. "This is a very, very important part of history and we've got to tell it right," said Thomas Kean. "As you read the report, you're going to have a pretty clear idea what wasn't done and what should have been done," he said. "This was not something that had to happen." Appointed by the Bush administration, Kean, a former Republican governor of New Jersey, is now pointing fingers inside the administration and laying blame. "There are people that, if I was doing the job, would certainly not be in the position they were in at that time because they failed. They simply failed," Kean said. To find out who failed and why, the commission has navigated a political landmine, threatening a subpoena to gain access to the president's top-secret daily briefs. Those documents may shed light on one of the most controversial assertions of the Bush administration ? that there was never any thought given to the idea that terrorists might fly an airplane into a building. "I don't think anybody could have predicted that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile," said national security adviser Condoleeza Rice on May 16, 2002. "How is it possible we have a national security advisor coming out and saying we had no idea they could use planes as weapons when we had FBI records from 1991 stating that this is a possibility," said Kristen Breitweiser, one of four New Jersey widows who lobbied Congress and the president to appoint the commission. The widows want to know why various government agencies didn't connect the dots before Sept. 11, such as warnings from FBI offices in Minnesota and Arizona about suspicious student pilots. "If you were to tell me that two years after the murder of my husband that we wouldn't have one question answered, I wouldn't believe it," Breitweiser said. Kean admits the commission also has more questions than answers. Asked whether we should at least know if people sitting in the decision-making spots on that critical day are still in those positions, Kean said, "Yes, the answer is yes. And we will." Kean promises major revelations in public testimony beginning next month from top officials in the FBI, CIA, Defense Department, National Security Agency and, maybe, President Bush and former President Clinton. --Alt-Boundary-9358.20218188 Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body
hmm, a look in the prez's daily briefs sounds a tad kinky, but seriously...


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/17/eveningnews/main58
9137.shtml
9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable
CBS News
December 17, 2003
For the first time, the chairman of the independent
commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks is saying
publicly that 9/11 could have and should have been
prevented, reports CBS News Correspondent Randall Pinkston.
"This is a very, very important part of history and we've
got to tell it right," said Thomas Kean.
"As you read the report, you're going to have a pretty clear
idea what wasn't done and what should have been done," he
said. "This was not something that had to happen."
Appointed by the Bush administration, Kean, a former
Republican governor of New Jersey, is now pointing fingers
inside the administration and laying blame.
"There are people that, if I was doing the job, would
certainly not be in the position they were in at that time
because they failed. They simply failed," Kean said.
To find out who failed and why, the commission has navigated
a political landmine, threatening a subpoena to gain access
to the president's top-secret daily briefs. Those documents
may shed light on one of the most controversial assertions
of the Bush administration ? that there was never any
thought given to the idea that terrorists might fly an
airplane into a building.
"I don't think anybody could have predicted that they would
try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as
a missile," said national security adviser Condoleeza Rice
on May 16, 2002.
"How is it possible we have a national security advisor
coming out and saying we had no idea they could use planes
as weapons when we had FBI records from 1991 stating that
this is a possibility," said Kristen Breitweiser, one of
four New Jersey widows who lobbied Congress and the
president to appoint the commission.
The widows want to know why various government agencies
didn't connect the dots before Sept. 11, such as warnings
from FBI offices in Minnesota and Arizona about suspicious
student pilots.
"If you were to tell me that two years after the murder of
my husband that we wouldn't have one question answered, I
wouldn't believe it," Breitweiser said.
Kean admits the commission also has more questions than
answers.
Asked whether we should at least know if people sitting in
the decision-making spots on that critical day are still in
those positions, Kean said, "Yes, the answer is yes. And we
will."
Kean promises major revelations in public testimony
beginning next month from top officials in the FBI, CIA,
Defense Department, National Security Agency and, maybe,
President Bush and former President Clinton.
--Alt-Boundary-9358.20218188-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 18:33:39 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dirk Kingerske) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:33:39 +0100 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Message-ID:



>
>
>1) Your Name:
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Dirk (King Snake)

>2) Your Age:    

31

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>3) Are you married and have you any children?

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NO

>4) I live here:

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Aachen, Germany

>5) I've been a member of the Gathering since:

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end 98 (I think)

>6) What do you want for X-mas?

>

an au pair

>7) Your biggest extravagance of the year?

>

going to nyc for a kj gig

>8) Your biggest hopes for 2004?

>

a second tour

>9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?:

>

the best of the pogues, wanted to hear it, couldn't find it.... a bit boring....

>10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five
>favorite releases of the year?

>

5, that would be a bit optimistic

>11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate?

>

planlos, destruktiver hoersturz (both of them german punk rock) d.h. was quite good...

>12) Worst music you heard all year:

>

a listen quite a bit to the radio....

>13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I
>lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be
>restricted to music)

>

harry potter (unless they are younger than 13, or female, or they buy me a drink, or...)

>14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material:

>

wall of voodoo

>15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day:

>

rolling stones

>16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee:

>

kj-backcatalogue

>17) Most overrated music of the year:

>

don't really care

>18) Most underrated music of the year:

>

kj

>19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are:

>

wall of voodoo, pogues, clash, starnglers, new model army 

>20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet

>

like jester's site (apaert from the colour scheme...)

>22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the
>following to happen:

>

to have them playing at my 32rd birthday

>23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain
>your reaction

>

still got a hardon

>24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red
>Krusty Clown?

>

KRUSTY

>25) Favorite track on the new album:

>

implant

>26) Least favorite track on the new album:

>

you'll never get to me

>27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been:

>

implant

>28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts?

>

not yet

>29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing
>Joke record?

>

not youth

>30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today:

>

complications

>31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE
>FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR?

>

loads... tick tock

>32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site?

>

a yellow bertram!!!!!!!!!!!! and a nice new wrist watch ...

>33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White
>House:

>

 g w, he's so much fun!

>34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended?

>

bullocks!

>35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way:

>

put him back in the hole

>36) Where is Osama Bin Laden:

>

haven't talked to him lately

>37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the

>homefront (US/UK/EUR)?

of course NOT! 

>
>38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance?

>

won't replace my old car

>39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11,
>2001?

>

nada

>40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day?

>

preparing for an exam, sitting at my desk

>41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be:

>

declare myself immortal

>42) Tony Blair is a: _________.

>

cocksucker

>43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime
>with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction:

>

lovely idea.... would laugh my arse off!

>44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you
>feel this way. Support your argument:

>

idiot, no support of argument needed...

>45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation
>better off: Bush's or Clinton's?

>

clinton's....

>::::END::::

5 neue Buddies = 50 FreeSMS. Hier klicken - der Countdown läuft! FreeSMS abräumen mit dem MSN Messenger. From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 18:54:07 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Antoni Adamiak) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:54:07 -0000 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 References: <200312181816.hBIIGwOf006595@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <00a301c3c598$511a8820$e64d08c3@mydomain.com> 1) Your Name: Antoni Adamiak 2) Your Age: almost 39 3) Are you married and have you any children? Divorced 12 years ago & my daughter is 17 4) I live here: Isleworth, Middlesex (aka West London) 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: 1998 6) What do you want for X-mas? 9 points from Fulham, Charlton and Portsmouth 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? The Killing Joke tour 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? To get my flat sorted ... family health and happiness ... at least some of my bail money 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: Absolution by Muse 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? Goldfrapp, the copy of Radiohead album on the net 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Blyth Power - top drawer, Buzzcocks, NMA & Metal Urbain - oldies but goldies 12) Worst music you heard all year: the usual old tosh 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of _POP IDOL_, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music) 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: The Diagram Brothers 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: too many 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: early KJ 17) Most overrated music of the year: probably The Darkness 18) Most underrated music of the year: Killing Joke of course 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: well known, check the giglist on my website 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet : poor from the band itself, could be better from us lot 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: a new EP 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction - 15 times, an emotional rollercoaster 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? Something by Colesy, hurrah 25) Favorite track on the new album: Total Invasion 26) Least favorite track on the new album: Dark Forces 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: Seeing Red 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? Yes, it's great ... go and see it 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? don't really know ... help ... 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Wardance 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Lots 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? Mugs, car stickers, fridge magnets, condoms 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: anyone but Bush 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? No 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: Delicately 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: at Highbury 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Of course not 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? Not really, I work in central London 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? Of course not 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? At work, looking at the BBC website thinking a little Cessna had ploughed into the first tower 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: recall the troops 42) Tony Blair is a: _typical politician_. 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: if it's gonna be RR might as well go the whole hog and make it Mickey Mouse 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: sorry, it I gotta go out for a meal ... anyone with his track record can't be an idiot to become the most powerful figurehead in the world ... he does seem dim though ... maybe not quite as dim as Dan Quayle 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? Would it really be any different ? ::::END:::: * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 18:53:22 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Phillipps Marc) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:53:22 -0000 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Message-ID: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1F0@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> 1) Your Name: Marc Phillipps 2) Your Age: 36 3) Are you married and have you any children? Yes & No 4) I live here: I never knew Alex lived in my PC ?? . . . I live here http://tinyurl.com/3xfdy 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: Erm . . . . 98/99 (I think?) 6) What do you want for X-mas? Already got it ordered - A DVD Burner 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? A new car 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? Bush and Blair get what's coming to them . . . 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: 1200 Mics - Heroes Of The Imagination, I bought it because I like them and it's very good thank you :o) 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? The above album, Youth in Dub, Ethnogenic - Spontaneous Illumination, Beat Hackers (can't remember what it's called . . ) oooh loads of stuff ! 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? KJ & yes they did 12) Worst music you heard all year: The Darkness I'm afraid . . . 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of fox hunting, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music) 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: Gabriel era Genesis (sorry) 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: That'll be The Dorkness then . . 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: All KJ's back catalogue 17) Most overrated music of the year: Oooh look, it's The Darkness again 18) Most underrated music of the year: Judging by chart placing that'll be KJ 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: All Psytrance 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet Good, but could be better 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: Badly hung boy looses voice - KJ tour 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction Yes, as good as ever (better than sometimes) 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? Rob's arse 25) Favorite track on the new album: Seeing Red 26) Least favorite track on the new album: You'll never get to me 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: Promoted better 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? No 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? Simon Posford 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Seeing Red 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Yes I have 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? Long sleeve shirts would be nice for the winter months 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: Michael Moore 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? No 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: (jiggles hands about} 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Probably the Afghan border regions 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? No 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? Never 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? No 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? At work, watching the news come in over the net . . . speechless and shocked 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: A cagney impression ? 42) Tony Blair is a: bad bad man . 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: {laughs} 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: Yes, in support I offer you the following www.bushisms.com 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? >From a UK perspective Clinton's without a shadow of a doubt. This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 18:54:56 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mik Raven) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:54:56 -0000 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 References: <200312181816.hBIIGwOf006595@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <016901c3c598$6eb28540$0200a8c0@Paulas> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0166_01C3C598.6E249D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `031) Your Name: Mik Raven 2) Your Age: 39 3) Are you married and have you any children? Yes, 3, and 1 grandchild=20 4) I live here: Wakefield (UK) 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: can't remember, since = before unspeakable was produced 6) What do you want for X-mas? To win the lottery 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? The KJ UK tour 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? A KJ UK Tour 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: KJ 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five = favorite releases of the year? There were other releases? 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? KJ - = Fantastic 12) Worst music you heard all year: The Dorkness xmas single 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of Leeds = United, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need = not be restricted to music) 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: = Cant think of any that would be any good now. Adam Ant? 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: Rolling = Stones/Kiss 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: = Metalbox 17) Most overrated music of the year: The Dorkness 18) Most underrated music of the year: KJ 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: Pil = (Lydon)/Ants/Bauhaus/Siouxsie/Salad 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet: What = presence? 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like = the following to happen: Another tour and another new LP 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain = your reaction: Yes. They were awsome each time (even the poor shows) 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the = red Krusty Clown? Some Coles Artwork 25) Favorite track on the new album: House That Pain Built 26) Least favorite track on the new album: You'll Never Get To Me 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have = been: Seeing Red 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your = thoughts? Nope 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next = Killing Joke record? Youth (to piss of all the gatherers who claim to be = able to tell the difference) 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Madness 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE = FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Yes, t-shirs, badges and a clock 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? = Long sleeved shirts, car stickers, coasters 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White = House: 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? No 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: Throw him = into the street and let the people decide 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Bradford 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the = homefront (US/UK/EUR)? No 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? No 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September = 11, 2001? No 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? At work, working 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would = be: Release all the roswell documents so that everyone could see that = there were no aliens there 42) Tony Blair is a: polititian 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American = Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: Don't care. 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why = you feel this way. Support your argument: True. Just watch him in an = interview 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation = better off: Bush's or Clinton's? Clinton's ------=_NextPart_000_0166_01C3C598.6E249D20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
1) Your Name: Mik Raven

2) Your Age: 39

3) Are you = married=20 and have you any children? Yes, 3, and 1 grandchild 

4) I = live here:=20 Wakefield (UK)

5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: = can't=20 remember, since before unspeakable was produced

6) What do you = want for=20 X-mas? To win the lottery

7) Your biggest extravagance of the = year? The=20 KJ UK tour

8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? A KJ UK Tour

9) = What=20 was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: KJ

10) Not = including=20 the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of = the=20 year? There were other releases?

11) What live bands have you = seen=20 recently. Did they rate? KJ - Fantastic

12) Worst music you heard = all=20 year: The Dorkness xmas single

13) If I find out that the person = I'm=20 talking to is a big fan of Leeds United, I lose all interest in talking = to them=20 (note: your answer need not be restricted to music)

14) Band(s) = most in=20 need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: Cant think of any that = would=20 be any good now. Adam Ant?

15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it = up and=20 calling it a day: Rolling Stones/Kiss

16) Albums most in need of=20 re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: Metalbox

17) Most = overrated=20 music of the year: The Dorkness

18) Most underrated music of the = year:=20 KJ

19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists = are: Pil=20 (Lydon)/Ants/Bauhaus/Siouxsie/Salad

20) Express your views on = Killing=20 Joke's presence on the Internet: What presence?

22) Regarding the = Joke,=20 despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: = Another=20 tour and another new LP

23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on = this tour?=20 If so, briefly explain your reaction: Yes. They were awsome each time = (even the=20 poor shows)

24) What would you have rather seen on the album = cover, other=20 than the red Krusty Clown? Some Coles Artwork

25) Favorite track = on the=20 new album: House That Pain Built

26) Least favorite track on the = new=20 album: You'll Never Get To Me

27) Were it up to you to have = chosen the=20 first single, it would have been: Seeing Red

28) Have you managed = to see=20 "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? Nope

29) Outside = of Andy=20 Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? = Youth (to=20 piss of all the gatherers who claim to be able to tell the=20 difference)

30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world = today:=20 Madness

31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? = If not,=20 WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Yes, t-shirs, badges and a = clock

32)=20 Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? = Long=20 sleeved shirts, car stickers, coasters

33) Following the 2004 = Elections,=20 I'd like to see this man in the White House:

34) Do you feel = 'safer' now=20 that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? No

35) Now that he's in = custody, I would handle Saddam this way: Throw him into the street and = let the=20 people decide

36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Bradford

37) = Have we=20 seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront = (US/UK/EUR)?=20 No

38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? = No

39) Do=20 you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? = No

40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? At work,=20 working

41) Were you the next American president, your first act = in=20 office would be: Release all the roswell documents so that everyone = could see=20 that there were no aliens there

42) Tony Blair is a:=20 polititian

43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face = on the=20 American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: = Don't=20 care.

44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your = feeling=20 why you feel this way. Support your argument: True. Just watch him in an = interview

45) Under which American administration was the = world/your own=20 situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? = Clinton's

------=_NextPart_000_0166_01C3C598.6E249D20-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 19:05:35 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:05:35 -0600 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: <200312181816.hBIIGwOf006595@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154597537_5197266 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable On 12/18/03 12:17 PM, "Alex Smith" wrote: >=20 >=20 > Alright. As threatened, herewith THE GATHERING YEAR-END POLL FOR 2003. Mo= st of > you know how this works, but being that there are a lot of newbies around > these days, simply Cut'n Paste the following questionaire part of this me= ssage > into a new message and answer the questions as they apply to you, and the= n > send them to the Gathering (gathering@misera.net). This is not a scienti= fic > nor deadly serious poll, so feel free to waive any questions that you fin= d too > invasive, but by the same token -- don't be a big pussy, answer the quest= ions. > It's only 45 questions, and most of them are short, one or two word answe= rs, > so keep thy whining to thyself. >=20 >=20 > 1) Your Name: >=20 > Joe =B3Jester=B2 Mojica >=20 > 2) Your Age: >=20 > 32 >=20 > 3) Are you married and have you any children? >=20 > Married, 3 kids (Daughter 3, two boys, 4 and almost 6) >=20 > 4) I live here: >=20 > DallASS >=20 > 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: >=20 > Since I joined >=20 > 6) What do you want for X-mas? >=20 > A nice young, midget, concubine for the wife and I. >=20 > 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? >=20 > The website >=20 > 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? >=20 > Not to die >=20 > 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: >=20 > Firewater, MOTBTR. Fucking awesome!!! >=20 > 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five fav= orite > releases of the year? >=20 > Only have one...Firewater...other than that, didn=B9t have time to listen t= o > much, or afford to buy more. >=20 > 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? >=20 > Again, zero. No time.... >=20 > 12) Worst music you heard all year: >=20 > Have you guys heard that band Rob is in? Whew..those guys are really > bad...haha >=20 > 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________= , I > lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restr= icted > to music) >=20 > Aggy >=20 > 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: >=20 > Killing Joke with Ferguson on the skins. Course of Empire >=20 > 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: >=20 > (Sorry Alex) Kiss >=20 > 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: >=20 > The entire back library of the Joke. >=20 > 17) Most overrated music of the year: >=20 > My wife has been listening to Evanesance or something like that, a lot. I= just > don=B9t get it... >=20 > 18) Most underrated music of the year: >=20 > Do I really need to answer this? >=20 > 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: >=20 > SAHB, Cop Shoot Cop, Course of Empire, Gary Numan, Godflesh, >=20 > 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet >=20 > Need more, actually. More sites, more info that is current, more from the > members themselves. While we bust our asses to talk this band up, aside f= rom > Raven, the rest of the band has done fuck all to help themselves. >=20 > 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like t= he > following to happen: >=20 > FERGUSON!!!! >=20 > 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain = your > reaction >=20 > I was actually suppose to run with those fuckers, but domestic issues and= time > fucked it up.=20 >=20 > 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the re= d > Krusty Clown? >=20 > Dead Iraqi=B9s >=20 > 25) Favorite track on the new album: >=20 > Total Invasion followed by Asteroid >=20 > 26) Least favorite track on the new album: >=20 > Loose Cannon. Just tired of it. Been hearing that for about two or three = years > now... >=20 > 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been= : >=20 > Seeing Red >=20 > 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts= ? >=20 > Nope.=20 >=20 > 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Kill= ing > Joke record? >=20 > Bob Rock.=20 >=20 > 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: >=20 > Total Invasion >=20 > 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE = FUCK > ARE YOU WAITING FOR? >=20 > Yes, but not nearly enough. Waiting on money. I blew my load for things t= o run > the site. >=20 > 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? >=20 > more wall art. Series of Mike Coles endorsed graphic software. >=20 > 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White H= ouse: >=20 > No man. We need a fucking female in the house. My fellow males have fucke= d > shit all up, year after year. Time for a woman to get some blame for > shit...haha >=20 > 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? >=20 > If you would have asked me this a year ago, my answer would have been > different, I think. As it is now, I don=B9t think we will ever be safe. Jus= t > fucking live like there is no tomorrow, and if you die, at least you die > knowing you did all you could on this planet. >=20 > 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: >=20 > Put him back in the hole, feed him spam, and make him do tricks like the > dolphins at sea world. >=20 > 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: >=20 > He really doesn=B9t exist. Osama is actually in the NBA. He is actually Vla= dimir > Stepania in make-up. It=B9s all a sham. >=20 > 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homef= ront > (US/UK/EUR)? >=20 > Have we really even seen the beginning? >=20 > 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? >=20 > I don=B9t think we ever are. >=20 > 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, > 2001? >=20 > At this point, I am beginning to wonder if Osama really had anything to d= o > with it. >=20 > 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? >=20 > I was asleep. Wife called and woke me up. The kids and I watched it on th= e > tele. Don=B9t want to relive that day. >=20 > 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would = be: >=20 > Find out what is REALLY going on. Find out who is really doing what, what > programs I need to kill to free up money to use to help families that hav= e > lost their homes and normal existence as a result of very poor economic t= imes. > Make the initial push from that level to legalize medicinal marijuana, an= d > fully recognize pagan and various other magical arts as a legitimate reli= gion, > and not have things viewed with the myopic sense of Bush. >=20 > 42) Tony Blair is a: _________. >=20 > Cock >=20 > 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Di= me > with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: >=20 > Why? Everyone knows Nancy really ran things. Put her face on it. >=20 > 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why y= ou > feel this way. Support your argument: >=20 > Bush is an idiot. He has the potential, or did, to be a real leader. He f= ailed > miserably. Going to war under the guise of one thing, and then midstream, > changing that reason thinking no one would catch it is shit. I mean, the > fucker cant even speak correctly, much less run a government. His ego als= o far > exceeds his ability. Just ask the Rangers about his business abilities. >=20 > 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation > better off: Bush's or Clinton's? >=20 > Actually, neither. Some things were better, some worse, during each admin= . > Enjoyed the most overall, under Bush 1. >=20 > ::::END:::: >=20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154597537_5197266 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 On 12/18/03 12:17 PM, &= quot;Alex Smith" <vassifer@earthlink.net> wrote:



Alright. As threatened, herewith THE GATHERING YEAR-END POLL FOR 2003. Most of you know how this works, but being that there are a lot of newbie= s around these days, simply Cut'n Paste the following questionaire part of t= his message into a new message and answer the questions as they apply to you= , and then send them to the Gathering  (gathering@misera.net). This is = not a scientific nor deadly serious poll, so feel free to waive any question= s that you find too invasive, but by the same token -- don't be a big pussy,= answer the questions.  It's only 45 questions, and most of them are sh= ort, one or two word answers, so keep thy whining to thyself.


1) Your Name:

Joe “Jester” Mojica

2) Your Age:

32

3) Are you married and have you any children?

Married, 3 kids (Daughter 3, two boys, 4 and almost 6)

4) I live here:

DallASS

5) I've been a member of the Gathering since:

Since I joined

6) What do you want for X-mas?

A nice young, midget, concubine for the wife and I.

7) Your biggest extravagance of the year?

The website

8) Your biggest hopes for 2004?

Not to die

9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?:

Firewater, MOTBTR. Fucking awesome!!!

10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favor= ite releases of the year?

Only have one...Firewater...other than that, didn’t have time to list= en to much, or afford to buy more.

11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate?

Again, zero. No time....

12) Worst music you heard all year:

Have you guys heard that band Rob is in? Whew..those guys are really bad...= haha

13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, = I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restri= cted to music)

Aggy

14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material:

Killing Joke with Ferguson on the skins. Course of Empire

15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day:

(Sorry Alex) Kiss

16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee:

The entire back library of the Joke.

17) Most overrated music of the year:

My wife has been listening to Evanesance or something like that, a lot. I j= ust don’t get it...

18) Most underrated music of the year:

Do I really need to answer this?

19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are:

SAHB, Cop Shoot Cop, Course of Empire, Gary Numan, Godflesh,

20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet

Need more, actually. More sites, more info that is current, more from the m= embers themselves. While we bust our asses to talk this band up, aside from = Raven, the rest of the band has done fuck all to help themselves.

22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the= following to happen:

FERGUSON!!!!

23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain yo= ur reaction

I was actually suppose to run with those fuckers, but domestic issues and t= ime fucked it up.

24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red = Krusty Clown?

Dead Iraqi’s

25) Favorite track on the new album:

Total Invasion followed by Asteroid

26) Least favorite track on the new album:

Loose Cannon. Just tired of it. Been hearing that for about two or three ye= ars now...

27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been:<= BR>
Seeing Red

28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your = thoughts?

Nope.

29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killin= g Joke record?

Bob Rock.

30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today:

Total Invasion

31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FU= CK ARE YOU WAITING FOR?

Yes, but not nearly enough. Waiting on money. I blew my load for things to = run the site.

32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site?
more wall art. Series of Mike Coles endorsed graphic software.

33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White Hou= se:

No man. We need a fucking female in the house. My fellow males have fucked = shit all up, year after year. Time for a woman to get some blame for shit...= haha

34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended?

If you would have asked me this a year ago, my answer would have been diffe= rent, I think. As it is now, I don’t think we will ever be safe. Just = fucking live like there is no tomorrow, and if you die, at least you die kno= wing you did all you could on this planet.

35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way:

Put him back in the hole, feed him spam, and make him do tricks like the do= lphins at sea world.

36) Where is Osama Bin Laden:

He really doesn’t exist. Osama is actually in the NBA. He is actually= Vladimir Stepania in make-up. It’s all a sham.

37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefro= nt (US/UK/EUR)?

Have we really even seen the beginning?

38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance?

I don’t think we ever are.

39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2= 001?

At this point, I am beginning to wonder if Osama really had anything to do = with it.

40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day?

I was asleep. Wife called and woke me up. The kids and I watched it on the = tele. Don’t want to relive that day.

41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be= :

Find out what is REALLY going on. Find out who is really doing what, what p= rograms I need to kill to free up money to use to help families that have lo= st their homes and normal existence as a result of very poor economic times.= Make the initial push from that level to legalize medicinal marijuana, and = fully recognize pagan and various other magical arts as a legitimate religio= n, and not have things viewed with the myopic sense of Bush.

42) Tony Blair is a: _________.

Cock

43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime= with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction:

Why? Everyone knows Nancy really ran things. Put her face on it.

44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you= feel this way. Support your argument:

Bush is an idiot. He has the potential, or did, to be a real leader. He fai= led miserably. Going to war under the guise of one thing, and then midstream= , changing that reason thinking no one would catch it is shit. I mean, the f= ucker cant even speak correctly, much less run a government. His ego also fa= r exceeds his ability. Just ask the Rangers about his business abilities.
45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation be= tter off: Bush's or Clinton's?

Actually, neither. Some things were better, some worse, during each admin. = Enjoyed the most overall, under Bush 1.

::::END::::



KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place = like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3154597537_5197266-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 19:25:37 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (parasikon) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:25:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] poll Message-ID: <20031218192537.16682.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com> --0-407973056-1071775537=:14416 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ) Your Name: Chris 2) Your Age: 28 (Soon to be 29 on Sunday) 3) Are you married and have you any children? Yes,Married with two children. 4) I live here: Mississippi 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: I've been here a little while. 6) What do you want for X-mas? People to buy more stuff for my kids instead. 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? No extravagance. 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? A new government after the annihilation of both democrats and republicans. 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?:Last two were Kiss albums.Peter Criss solo album and The Elder.I'm a fan, what else can i say?Peter Criss's solo album was better than i'd have expected.The Elder's not anything that great though. 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? Couldn't tell you.I've been pretty isolated from it all. 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? I haven't seen anything. 12) Worst music you heard all year: Something off of the new Metallica album. 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music) Nascar 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: Killing Joke,Creedence Clearwater Revival,Steppenwolf,Helmet,Budgie 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day:P.O.D.,Limp Bizkit,Korn,Mudvayne,Puddle Of Mudd,any of that shit. 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: Killing Joke - Fire Dances,Night Time,Extremities,What's This For,Democracy Creedence Clearwater Revival - the entire catalog Steppenwolf - entire catalog 17) Most overrated music of the year: Metallica 18) Most underrated music of the year: Killing Joke 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: Kiss,Steppenwolf,Depeche Mode,Prong,New Model Army 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet It's too bad the official site is pale in comparison to the ones set up by fans/Gatherers. 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: New album.Better advertising and a positive change in their management.Plus, Big Paul Ferguson back in action with the band.Christ, why don't they just go see the guy? 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction Missed out on all of it. 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? A Phoenix rising out of a river of blood,cocks,cows,anything really. 25) Favorite track on the new album: Blood On Your Hands 26) Least favorite track on the new album: Loose Cannon 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: Total Invasion 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? Haven't seen. 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? Daniel Lanois,Terry Date,Scott Burns,Andy Wallace,Mike Clink 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Blood On Your Hands 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? The Lottery. 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? Posters. 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: Ralph Nader 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended?Hell no. 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way:Lock him up.Forget about him. 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Dancing circles around us all. 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? No. 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? Don't spend alot of time dwelling on it. 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? Iraq never had anything to do with September 11th.Never had any weapons of mass destruction and were never a threat to us anyway. 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? I was here at home.Saw it over and over on the television.Horrible. 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: Charge George Bush with crimes against all of humanity and hand his compassionate/conservative ass over to the proper authorities. 42) Tony Blair is a: _________. lapdancer? 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: It's money.Fuck it. 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: Absolute truth.I don't have to support my argument.You only have to listen to him speak.It's like a bad puppet show. 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? Truthfully, i don't think it was that much better under either regime. ::::END:::: --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --0-407973056-1071775537=:14416 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
) Your Name: Chris

2) Your Age: 28 (Soon to be 29 on Sunday)

3) Are you married and have you any children? Yes,Married with two children.

4) I live here: Mississippi

5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: I've been here a little while.

6) What do you want for X-mas? People to buy more stuff for my kids instead.

7) Your biggest extravagance of the year?  No extravagance.

8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? A new government after the annihilation of both democrats and republicans.

9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?:Last two were Kiss albums.Peter Criss solo album and The Elder.I'm a fan, what else can i say?Peter Criss's solo album was better than i'd have expected.The Elder's not anything that great though.

10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? Couldn't tell you.I've been pretty isolated from it all.

11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? I haven't seen anything.

12) Worst music you heard all year: Something off of the new Metallica album.

13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music)  Nascar

14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: Killing Joke,Creedence Clearwater Revival,Steppenwolf,Helmet,Budgie

15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day:P.O.D.,Limp Bizkit,Korn,Mudvayne,Puddle Of Mudd,any of that shit. 

16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee:
 
Killing Joke - Fire Dances,Night Time,Extremities,What's This For,Democracy
 
Creedence Clearwater Revival - the entire catalog
 
Steppenwolf - entire catalog

17) Most overrated music of the year: Metallica

18) Most underrated music of the year: Killing Joke

19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are:
Kiss,Steppenwolf,Depeche Mode,Prong,New Model Army

20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet
It's too bad the official site is pale in comparison to the ones set up by fans/Gatherers.

22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: New album.Better advertising and a positive change in their management.Plus, Big Paul Ferguson back in action with the band.Christ, why don't they just go see the guy?

23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction
Missed out on all of it.

24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? A Phoenix rising out of a river of blood,cocks,cows,anything really.

25) Favorite track on the new album: Blood On Your Hands


26) Least favorite track on the new album: Loose Cannon

27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: Total Invasion

28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? Haven't seen.

29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? Daniel Lanois,Terry Date,Scott Burns,Andy Wallace,Mike Clink

30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Blood On Your Hands

31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? The Lottery.

32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? Posters.

33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: Ralph Nader

34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended?Hell no.

35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way:Lock him up.Forget about him.

36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Dancing circles around us all.

37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? No.

38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? Don't spend alot of time dwelling on it.

39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001?
Iraq never had anything to do with September 11th.Never had any weapons of mass destruction and were never a threat to us anyway.

40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day?
I was here at home.Saw it over and over on the television.Horrible.

41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be:
Charge George Bush with crimes against all of humanity and hand his compassionate/conservative ass over to the proper authorities.

42) Tony Blair is a: _________. lapdancer?

43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: It's money.Fuck it.

44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: Absolute truth.I don't have to support my argument.You only have to listen to him speak.It's like a bad puppet show.

45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? Truthfully, i don't think it was that much better under either regime.

::::END::::

Do you Yahoo!?
New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --0-407973056-1071775537=:14416-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 22:31:27 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Will E Scheipers) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:31:27 -0800 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Message-ID: <20031218.143127.976.3.Wscheip1@juno.com> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_695a.46e0.0193 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Have you ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs all have open cords as the verse for every song? I don't get it either..... From, Will 17) Most overrated music of the year: My wife has been listening to Evanesance or something like that, a lot. I just don’t get it... ----__JNP_000_695a.46e0.0193 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
Have you ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs all have = open=20 cords as the verse for every song? I don't get it either.....
 
From,
Will
 


17) Most = overrated=20 music of the year:

My wife has been listening to Evanesance or = something=20 like that, a lot. I just don=92t get=20 it...




----__JNP_000_695a.46e0.0193-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 19:45:50 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Rob's Arse) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:45:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Message-ID: <20031218194551.3191A3978@sitemail.everyone.net> ) Your Name: Rob Moss 2) Your Age: 35 3) Are you married and have you any children? Yes 2 boys 4) I live here: Oxford 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: God! It feels like life 6) What do you want for X-mas? A shag 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? A huge house extension 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? Some peace 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: Actually, I think it was K J 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? Hardly bought anything. Was the QOTSA album this year? 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Smilex from Oxford last night. Superb! 12) Worst music you heard all year: DARKNESS 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of _Will Young______, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music) 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material:Stranglers 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: Travis 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: All KJ! 17) Most overrated music of the year: Mine! 18) Most underrated music of the year: Mine! 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: Adam Ant/Stranglers/Damned/Julian Cope/Pistols 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet Getting better! 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: One more studio album at least with Raven and Ted 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction. Hard on 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? Mike Cole's Bum 25) Favorite track on the new album: Total Invasion 26) Least favorite track on the new album: Dark Forces 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? Killing Joke 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today:Blood on your hands 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Yes. A Killing Joke strap on. In purple 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? There's enough for me. 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? No different 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: As a human being. 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: KFC 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Fraid not 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? No 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? Having lunch with some Japanese visitors 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: Redecorate. Paint teh whitehouse pink 42) Tony Blair is a: _gaylord________. 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: Why not go the whole hog and have Ronald McDonald? 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument:False. You Americans aren't THAT stupid :-) 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? Clinton. He didn't like the taste of blood _____________________________________________________________ Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of worldmap.com) From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 19:47:16 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:47:16 -0500 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Message-ID: <200312181947.hBIJl9tu014467@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154603637_879284_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I too, must answer.... 1) Your Name: Alex in NYC 2) Your Age: 36 as of last October. 3) Are you married and have you any children? Married with a child on the way (April). 4) I live here: Manhattan, New York City. 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: 1998, or whenever I bought my computer that is now sorely in need of an upgrade. 6) What do you want for X-mas? For Mik to share his lottery winnings with me. Seriously, I can't really think of anything specific. The Motorhead box set would be nice. 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? Well, I just bought a print from photographer Allen Tannenbaum of Devo's Halloween 1981 performance at Radio City Music Hall, because it was the first concert I ever attended (I was 14), and that weren't cheap. I'm about to buy a new computer, but I'll be able to write that off on my taxes as a work expense. My biggest extravagance is invariably the baby, as the wife and I are now working out that our financial situation is not what it should be. 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? For my wife and new baby to be happy and healthy, more Killing Joke activity, a new job, for my wife's employers to be a bit more flexible with her designs to work part-time and world peace. 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: THE ROUGH GUIDE TO ASIAN UNDERGROUND, because I was hunting for the instrumental, "Streets of Calcutta" by Ananda Shankar. The track itself is amazing....sort've a mix of classic Bollywood multi-instrumentalism and paisley underground powerpop. The rest of the compilation is sort've all over the place, but interesting (though there's nothing as good as the Shankar track). 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? 1. FEAST OF WIRE by Calexico 2. THE MAN ON THE BURNING TIGHTROPE by Firewater 3. ECHOES by the Rapture 4. ABSOLUTION by Muse 5. FEVER TO TELL by the Yeah Yeah Yeahs 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? I saw Firewater a couple of weeks back, and they kicked a man-sized platter of ass, as always. I saw Iron Maiden at the Garden several months back, and they put on an energetic show as they're wont to do. I saw the White Stripes in a relatively tiny club in Providence, RI and they sounded positively *METAL*. I'm afraid I must echo the choirs of praise for that band. Sorry, haterz. Oh, and I saw Killing Joke at Webster Hall, and though the performance was brief, it was positively a religious experience. 12) Worst music you heard all year: Some indie rock twerp named Scout Niblett who apes the primitive/naive/spartan/childlike aesthetic to mind-numbingly irritating degrees. Oh, nine-tenths of contemporary hip hop. 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music): Jay-Z, Jesus, George W. Bush, 50 Cent, Ronald Reagan, Dave Matthews, Li'l Kim, Tupac Shakur, R. Kelly, Michael Jackson. 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: Devo, Cocteau Twins, Cop $hoot Cop (they never will), The Wedding Present, Hugh Cornwell back with the Stranglers. 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: Kiss (and I loved them, but please, please, please stop!!!) 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: Apart from the entirety of the Killing Joke catalog, I'd say the debut album by Belfegore (never released on compact disc, fer chrissakes) and HEADKICK FACSIMILE by Cop Shoot Cop. 17) Most overrated music of the year: 50 Cent. 18) Most underrated music of the year: Killing Joke (duh!) 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: Firewater/Cop Shoot Cop, the Stranglers, Cocteau Twins, Julian Cope, Skeleton Key. Loads more, by the way, like Buzzcocks, Motorhead, Siouxsie & the Banshees, Devo, Iron Maiden, XTC, Echo & the Bunnymen, Gang of Four, blah blah blah blah.... 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet: Honestly? It's crap! Jester Joe's site is great, but he barely has the money/resources to keep it as up to date as he'd like (and he does a great job, btw!) The "official" site is a flash nightmare and so poorly maintained that it's hardly worth bothering. AN IRRATIONAL DOMAIN is a joy, as was the late LAST LAUGH site. But the fact that fan-run sites have more to offer than the official site is a travesty. The `Net could've been a much more effective place to market and promote the new album. Another opportunity squandered by the whistleheads at Big Life. 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: I'd love to see that box set that Mike was talking about, CHAOS FOR BREAKFAST, come to fruitiion. I'd love a new E.P. and live album. A new studio album and ANOTHER TOUR. If the DVD ever sees the light of day, please please please let it be compatible NTSC and not just PAL. 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction: It was truly a fantastic time, but I already wrote a huge post about it, so no need to go over it again. It was magik. 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? On the front? A Coles design, of course. I'd really like to see a Killing Joke 2003 Team Photo, complete with the inclusion of Raven *AND* Youth, Grohl *AND* Parsons and Andy Gill in there as well. Suitable for framing! 25) Favorite track on the new album: "Blood On Your Hands" 26) Least favorite track on the new album: "The House that Pain Built" 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: "Blood On Your Hands" 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? Madani was lovely enough to send me a VHS copy of it, and it's actually really good. Jaz is a hilarious presence throughout. Hunt it down! Well worth a viewing. 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? I know you can't turn back the clock, but bring back Chris Kimsey. And Mik -- you *CAN* hear the difference when Youth's at the helm. Listen to how busily muddled both PANDE and DEMOC sound, fer chrissakes! He is to Killing Joke what Phil Spector was to the Beatles' LET IT BE. Strip off the filligree, I say. 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Hell, too many to choose from: "Wardance", "Complications", "Total Invasion", "Blood on Your Hands" etc. etc. etc. 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Shirts, badges, posters and a big clock that confuses all who look at it. 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? I'd still like to see a shirt with the cover artwork from the "Eighties" single on it. Beyond that, bring forth CHAOS FOR BREAKFAST!!!!! 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: I'm leaning towards John Kerry these days, or possibly Wes Clark. But I'd rather see a fuckin' autistic orangutan in the White House than Bush for another four years. 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? Not at all. 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: The right thing would be either an international tribunal or let the Iraqi people deal with him in their own way. 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Somewhere we don't expect. Laughing his beard off. 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? This is a stupid question, isn't it. Apologies. Of course we haven't. 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? How can one be, honestly? 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? While I think Saddam probably giggled when it happened, I doubt they had any hand in it. I have yet to see any evidence that credibly confirms as much. 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? I had the day off, and was on my way back from midtown with my wife. We exited the subway station at Astor Place and saw an implausibly huge column of smoke across the sky. It went from there. 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: Re-concentrate all intelligence back on the hunt for Bin Laden and reduce our presence in Iraq, supplanting U.S. troops with UN forces. 42) Tony Blair is a: _________. Bush's piss-boy, it seems. 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: I'd save every dime I came acroos, not spend them and melt them all down into a big, shiney hammer and use it to bludgeon former Reagan speech-writer Peggy Noonan into bloody, lifeless submission. 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: True, True and thrice True. Need proof? Turn on the news. 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? Inarguably Bill Clinton's. ::::END:::: --MS_Mac_OE_3154603637_879284_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
I too, must answer....


1) Your Name:   Alex in NYC

2) Your Age:    36 as of last October.

3) Are you married and have you any children?    Marr= ied with a child on the way (April).

4) I live here:  Manhattan, New York City.

5) I've been a member of the Gathering since:  1998, or wheneve= r I bought my computer that is now sorely in need of an upgrade.

6) What do you want for X-mas?  For Mik to share his lottery wi= nnings with me. Seriously, I can't really think of anything specific. The Mo= torhead box set would be nice.

7) Your biggest extravagance of the year?  Well, I just bought = a print from photographer Allen Tannenbaum of Devo's Halloween 1981 performa= nce at Radio City Music Hall, because it was the first concert I ever attend= ed (I was 14), and that weren't cheap. I'm about to buy a new computer, but = I'll be able to write that off on my taxes as a work expense. My biggest ext= ravagance is invariably the baby, as the wife and I are now working out that= our financial situation is not what it should be.

8) Your biggest hopes for 2004?  For my wife and new baby to be= happy and healthy, more Killing Joke activity, a new job, for my wife's emp= loyers to be a bit more flexible with her designs to work part-time and worl= d peace.

9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?:  THE= ROUGH GUIDE TO ASIAN UNDERGROUND, because I was hunting for the instrumenta= l, "Streets of Calcutta" by Ananda Shankar. The track itself is am= azing....sort've a mix of classic Bollywood multi-instrumentalism and paisle= y underground powerpop. The rest of the compilation is sort've all over the = place, but interesting (though there's nothing as good as the Shankar track)= .

10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five fa= vorite releases of the year?
1. FEAST OF WIRE by Calexico
2. THE MAN ON THE BURNING TIGHTROPE by Firewater
3. ECHOES by the Rapture
4. ABSOLUTION by Muse
5. FEVER TO TELL by the Yeah Yeah Yeahs

11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate?  I s= aw Firewater a couple of weeks back, and they kicked a man-sized platter of = ass, as always.  I saw Iron Maiden at the Garden several months back, a= nd they put on an energetic show as they're wont to do. I saw the White Stri= pes in a relatively tiny club in Providence, RI and they sounded positively = *METAL*. I'm afraid I must echo the choirs of praise for that band. Sorry, h= aterz. Oh, and I saw Killing Joke at Webster Hall, and though the performanc= e was brief, it was positively a religious experience.

12) Worst music you heard all year:  Some indie rock twerp name= d Scout Niblett who apes the primitive/naive/spartan/childlike aesthetic to = mind-numbingly irritating degrees. Oh, nine-tenths of contemporary hip hop.<= BR>
13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of _______= _, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be res= tricted to music):  Jay-Z, Jesus, George W. Bush, 50 Cent, Ronald R= eagan, Dave Matthews, Li'l Kim, Tupac Shakur, R. Kelly, Michael Jackson.

14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: Devo, Cocteau Twins, Cop $hoot Cop (they never will), The Wedding Present,= Hugh Cornwell back with the Stranglers.

15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: Kiss= (and I loved them, but please, please, please stop!!!)

16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: Apart from the entirety of the Killing Joke catalog, I'd say the debut alb= um by Belfegore (never released on compact disc, fer chrissakes) and HEADKIC= K FACSIMILE by Cop Shoot Cop.

17) Most overrated music of the year:  50 Cent.

18) Most underrated music of the year:  Killing Joke (duh!)

19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: &n= bsp;Firewater/Cop Shoot Cop, the Stranglers, Cocteau Twins, Julian Cope, Ske= leton Key. Loads more, by the way, like Buzzcocks, Motorhead, Siouxsie &= the Banshees, Devo, Iron Maiden, XTC, Echo & the Bunnymen, Gang of Four= , blah blah blah blah....

20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet: H= onestly? It's crap! Jester Joe's site is great, but he barely has the money/= resources to keep it as up to date as he'd like (and he does a great job, bt= w!) The "official" site is a flash nightmare and so poorly maintai= ned that it's hardly worth bothering. AN IRRATIONAL DOMAIN is a joy, as was = the late LAST LAUGH site. But the fact that fan-run sites have more to offer= than the official site is a travesty. The `Net could've been a much more ef= fective place to market and promote the new album. Another opportunity squan= dered by the whistleheads at Big Life.

22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like = the following to happen:  I'd love to see that box set that Mike wa= s talking about, CHAOS FOR BREAKFAST, come to fruitiion. I'd love a new E.P.= and live album. A new studio album and ANOTHER TOUR. If the DVD ever sees t= he light of day, please please please let it be compatible NTSC and not just= PAL.

23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain= your reaction: It was truly a fantastic time, but I already wrote a hug= e post about it, so no need to go over it again. It was magik.

24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the r= ed Krusty Clown?  On the front? A Coles design, of course. I'd real= ly like to see a Killing Joke 2003 Team Photo, complete with the inclusion o= f Raven *AND* Youth, Grohl *AND* Parsons and Andy Gill in there as well. Sui= table for framing!

25) Favorite track on the new album: "Blood On Your Hands"=

26) Least favorite track on the new album: "The House that Pain= Built"

27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have bee= n:  "Blood On Your Hands"

28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Yo= ur thoughts?
Madani was lovely enough to send me a VHS copy of it, and it's actually= really good. Jaz is a hilarious presence throughout. Hunt it down! Well wor= th a viewing.


29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Kil= ling Joke record?
I know you can't turn back the clock, but bring back Chris Kimsey. And = Mik -- you *CAN* hear the difference when Youth's at the helm. Listen to how= busily muddled both PANDE and DEMOC sound, fer chrissakes! He is to Killing= Joke what Phil Spector was to the Beatles' LET IT BE. Strip off the filligr= ee, I say.


30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today:  Hell= , too many to choose from: "Wardance", "Complications", = "Total Invasion", "Blood on Your Hands" etc. etc. etc.
31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE= FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR?  Shirts, badges, posters and a big clock= that confuses all who look at it.

32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site?=  I'd still like to see a shirt with the cover artwork from the &qu= ot;Eighties" single on it. Beyond that, bring forth CHAOS FOR BREAKFAST= !!!!!

33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White = House:  I'm leaning towards John Kerry these days, or possibly Wes = Clark. But I'd rather see a fuckin' autistic orangutan in the White House th= an Bush for another four years.

34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? Not at all.

35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way:  = The right thing would be either an international tribunal or let the Iraqi p= eople deal with him in their own way.

36) Where is Osama Bin Laden:  Somewhere we don't expect. Laugh= ing his beard off.

37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the home= front (US/UK/EUR)?  This is a stupid question, isn't it. Apologies.= Of course we haven't.

38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance?  How can on= e be, honestly?

39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11= , 2001?  While I think Saddam probably giggled when it happened, I = doubt they had any hand in it. I have yet to see any evidence that credibly = confirms as much.

40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day?  I had the = day off, and was on my way back from midtown with my wife. We exited the sub= way station at Astor Place and saw an implausibly huge column of smoke acros= s the sky. It went from there.

41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would= be:  Re-concentrate all intelligence back on the hunt for Bin Lade= n and reduce our presence in Iraq, supplanting U.S. troops with UN forces. <= BR>
42) Tony Blair is a: _________.  Bush's piss-boy, it seems.

43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American D= ime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction:  I'd sav= e every dime I came acroos, not spend them and melt them all down into a big= , shiney hammer and use it to bludgeon former Reagan speech-writer Peggy Noo= nan into bloody, lifeless submission.

44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why = you feel this way. Support your argument:  True, True and thrice Tr= ue. Need proof? Turn on the news.

45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation= better off: Bush's or Clinton's?  Inarguably Bill Clinton's.

::::END::::

--MS_Mac_OE_3154603637_879284_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 19:54:33 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Falcata-Galia Recordings) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:54:33 -0800 Subject: [kj] poll In-Reply-To: <20031218192537.16682.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c3c5a0$c528cad0$6600a8c0@rudolph> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C3C55D.B7058AD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 Regards, =20 Rudolph A. Carrera Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's Information Center http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of parasikon Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:26 AM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: [kj] poll =20 ) Your Name: Rudy Carrera 2) Your Age: 33 3) Are you married and have you any children? As far as I know, I=92m = not a Dad, and I=92m single. 4) I live here: Rialto, California (for the last few weeks =96 just came in from Skopje, Macedonia) 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: 16 December 6) What do you want for X-mas? To leave here and start teaching in Germany. 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? A nice trip to the Balkans and Central Asia. 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? To win the Lotto. 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: Hiener Goebbels on ECM. Songs of Hans Eisler. Great political stuff, even though I=92m utterly anti-liberal. =20 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? Dunno. I didn=92t catch much, but I did like Coldplay and Moloko (preparing to be hit with cabbage for that). 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Mizar in Macedonia. Imagine Joy Division meeting the Orthodox Church. Spooky and great. I manage them, so that=92s not fair=85 12) Worst music you heard all year: Too many turkeys to list. 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music) Satanism 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: Killing Joke, of course! 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: The Rolling Stones=20 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: =20 Killing Joke and Joy Division records. =20 17) Most overrated music of the year: Any rap, Norah Jones 18) Most underrated music of the year: Angels of Light (Michael Gira of the Swans=92 new band). 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: Joy Division, Kukl, Lot-Lorien, Wire, Wedding Present 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet They need more exposure. The kids barely know who KJ is anymore. 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: For the new album to be a success and for Jaz to quit acting weird before shows. 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction Not this time, although a friend went and brought back pix. 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? Not sure, really=85 25) Favorite track on the new album: Blood On Your Hands 26) Least favorite track on the new album: Nothing qualifies as = =93least=94 yet. 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: Blood On Your Hands 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? Nope. 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? Brian Eno, actually=85 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Blood On Your Hands (even though I don=92t agree with the premise). 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? No dough, amigo. 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? Coffee mugs. 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: Anyone but Noam Chomsky. 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Sad dam Hussein has been apprehended? Yes, in a symbolic sort of way. =20 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: Bring back the Spanish Inquisition. =20 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Dancing Hiding like a coward, of course. Or dead. 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Nope. They=92ll strike soon enough. 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? Sure. Heavily armed, man=85 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? The intelligence found is showing that Mohammed Atta was trained at Abu Nidal=92s terrorist camp in Iraq, so there looks to be a connection already. We=92ll see what happens in the trial. Either way, Saddam had his pudgy little finger involved, and to say he didn=92t is ridiculous. 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? =20 I just flew in from Germany, after witnessing a bombing in Macedonia, saying to myself, =93Sheesh, nothing like this ever happens = in America=85=94 =20 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: Get rid of liberals by burning them at the stake. 42) Tony Blair is a: _________. Limey. 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: Why not? 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: False. Liberal lunatics say they hate him, and that he lies, and they never show any valid proof. Just tons of hearsay. I don=92t think he=92s a Rhodes scholar, but = he=92s no more stupid than any of you. 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? Bush=92s now, because the economy is on the upsurge and there=92s work in my profession (teaching). Will it = last? Who knows? ::::END:::: _____ =20 Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C3C55D.B7058AD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

 

Regards,

 

Rudolph A. = Carrera

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Rudy's = Information = Center

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-----Original = Message-----
From: = gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of parasikon
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:26 = AM
To: = gathering@misera.net
Subject: [kj] = poll

 

) Your Name: Rudy = Carrera


2) Your Age: 33

3) Are you married and have you any children? As far as I know, = I’m not a Dad, and I’m single.

4) I live here: Rialto, = California (for = the last few weeks – just came in from = Skopje, = Macedonia)

5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: 16 = December

6) What do you want for X-mas? To leave here and start teaching in = Germany.

7) Your biggest extravagance of the year?  A nice trip to the Balkans and Central = Asia.

8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? To win the = Lotto.

9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is = it?: Hiener Goebbels on ECM.=A0 Songs of Hans Eisler.=A0 Great political stuff, even though = I’m utterly anti-liberal.

=A0
10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five = favorite releases of the year? Dunno.=A0 I didn’t catch much, but I did like = Coldplay and Moloko (preparing to be hit with cabbage for = that).


11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? = Mizar = in Macedonia.=A0 = Imagine Joy Division meeting the Orthodox Church.=A0 Spooky and great.=A0 I manage = them, so that’s not fair…

12) Worst music you heard all year: Too many turkeys to = list.

13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan = of ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need = not be restricted to music)  Satanism


14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: = Killing = Joke, of course!


15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling = it a day:=A0 The Rolling Stones

16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe = stylee:

 

Killing Joke and Joy Division records.

 

17) Most overrated music of the = year: Any rap, Norah Jones

18) Most underrated music of the year: Angels of Light = (Michael Gira of the Swans’ new band).

19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists = are:

Joy = Division, Kukl, Lot-Lorien, Wire, Wedding Present

20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the = Internet

They need more exposure.=A0 The kids barely know who KJ is = anymore.

22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like = the following to happen: For the new album to be a success and for Jaz to = quit acting weird before shows.


23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain = your reaction
Not this time, although a friend went and brought back = pix.


24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the = red Krusty Clown? Not sure, = really…

25) Favorite track on the new album: Blood On Your = Hands



26) Least favorite track on the new album: Nothing qualifies as “least” = yet.

27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have = been: Blood On Your = Hands

28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" = as yet? Your thoughts? Nope.


29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next = Killing Joke record? Brian Eno, = actually…


30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world = today: Blood = On Your Hands (even though I don’t agree with the = premise).


31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE = FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? No dough, = amigo.


32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? = Coffee = mugs.


33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this = man in the White House: Anyone but Noam = Chomsky.


34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Sad dam Hussein has been = apprehended? Yes, = in a symbolic sort of way.

=A0
35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam = this way: Bring = back the Spanish Inquisition.

=A0
36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Dancing Hiding like a coward, of course.=A0 Or dead.

37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the = homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Nope.=A0 They’ll strike soon = enough.


38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? Sure.=A0 Heavily armed, man…


39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the = events of September 11, 2001?
The intelligence found is showing that Mohammed Atta was trained at Abu = Nidal’s terrorist camp in Iraq, so = there looks to be a connection already.=A0 We’ll see what happens in the trial.=A0 = Either way, Saddam had his pudgy little finger involved, and to say he didn’t = is ridiculous.


40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day?

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 I = just flew in from Germany, after witnessing a bombing in Macedonia, saying to myself, “Sheesh, nothing like this ever = happens in America…”

 


41) Were you the next American president, your first = act in office would be:

Get = rid of liberals by burning them at the stake.


42) Tony Blair is a: _________. Limey.


43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American = Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: Why = not?


44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain = your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: False.=A0 Liberal = lunatics say they hate him, and that he lies, and they never show any valid proof.=A0 = Just tons of hearsay.=A0 I don’t think he’s a Rhodes scholar, but = he’s no more stupid than any of you.


45) Under which American administration was the = world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? Bush’s now, = because the economy is on the upsurge and there’s work in my profession = (teaching).=A0 Will it = last?=A0 Who knows?


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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C3C55D.B7058AD0-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 19:55:22 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?bluce=20ree?=) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:55:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: <200312181816.hBIIGwOf006595@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20031218195522.17904.qmail@web86108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --0-901364218-1071777322=:17137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 1) Your Name: Richie Harkness 2) Your Age: 29 3) Are you married and have you any children? nope 4) I live here: st helens, uk. Am a londoner though and dont you forget it! 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: on and mostly off since 1999 ish. regular for a year or so. 6) What do you want for X-mas? the alien films boxset and the new statesman dvds. 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? i'm a starving student so probably just Camden tickets. 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? win lottery, get remixes put on official KJ single b-side (!) 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: KJ2003 and it's at times brilliant and at other times notsobrilliant. 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? Mars Volta, Sparta, Everclear, Rival Schools er.... that's it for this year. 2003 wasnt good enough for a top five. 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Killing Joke - not as good as when they were sober in 94/95. no one else, I'm stuck in the north with no bloody cash. 12) Worst music you heard all year: The Darkness. fucking horrible. 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music). Chelsea! 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: Fugazi... NOW! 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: Wu Tang Clan, regularly disappointing since album no 2. 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: Revelations would be nice! 17) Most overrated music of the year: All the garage-rock shit, White Stripes etc etc etc. Anything that MTV2 viewers like. 18) Most underrated music of the year: bavarian goat's music 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: The Cure, Fugazi, Shelter, Bluce Ree, Glad Eye www.bluceree.co.uk www.gladeye.net 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet Put Cliff and Kara in charge of the KJ website! 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: All the promos on one shiny DVD 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction slightly cheated by the sheer pissed ness of it all. Ted and Raven were class though. 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? Anything by Colesy. 25) Favorite track on the new album: Asteroid 26) Least favorite track on the new album: Dark Forces, Never Get To Me, House That Pain Built, Loose Cannon 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: Blood On Your Hands 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? nope 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? Geordie 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Empire Song 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? One shirt and one poster. Legendary goodness. 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? tiny plastic figures of the band with giant heads that beep out the tune to Pandys. 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: Cliff, for being an all-round good egg. With Loose Gannon as vice-secretary. 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? Not whilst Mick Hucknall still roams free. 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: Stab him in both eyes, make him listen to George Michael at obscene volumes. 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: in a US training camp preparing to lead the invasion of more countries. 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? are there many of them in St Helens? probably not anyway. 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? yes, my beard now resists plane attacks. 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? no, but i bet they were wetting themselves laughing. 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? looking at my email at work and saying 'bloody hell!' 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: Make Bluce Ree the next support act on the KJ tour. Oh and arrest Roman Abramovic 42) Tony Blair is a: bloody good actor 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: hahahahahahaa... not as funny as freedom fries 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: He's a genius. He talked most of Europe into invading Iraq with him, I wish I was that ambitious. 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? dunno, it's all a bit rubbish over there anyway. ::::END:::: --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now --0-901364218-1071777322=:17137 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
1) Your Name:   Richie Harkness

2) Your Age:  29

3) Are you married and have you any children?   nope

4) I live here:   st helens, uk.  Am a londoner though and dont you forget it!

5) I've been a member of the Gathering since:   on and mostly off since 1999 ish.   regular for a year or so.

6) What do you want for X-mas?   the alien films boxset and the new statesman dvds.

7) Your biggest extravagance of the year?   i'm a starving student so probably just Camden tickets.

8) Your biggest hopes for 2004?  win lottery, get remixes put on official KJ single b-side (!)

9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?:   KJ2003 and it's at times brilliant and at other times notsobrilliant.

10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year?

Mars Volta, Sparta, Everclear,  Rival Schools er.... that's it for this year.  2003 wasnt good enough for a top five.


11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate?
Killing Joke - not as good as when they were sober in 94/95.  no one else, I'm stuck in the north with no bloody cash.


12) Worst music you heard all year:
The Darkness.  fucking horrible.


13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music).

Chelsea!


14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material:
Fugazi... NOW!


15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day:
Wu Tang Clan, regularly disappointing since album no 2.


16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee:
Revelations would be nice!


17) Most overrated music of the year:
All the garage-rock shit, White Stripes etc etc etc.  Anything that MTV2 viewers like.


18) Most underrated music of the year:
bavarian goat's music


19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are:
The Cure, Fugazi, Shelter, Bluce Ree, Glad Eye

www.bluceree.co.uk

www.gladeye.net


20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet

Put Cliff and Kara in charge of the KJ website!

22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen:

All the promos on one shiny DVD


23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction

slightly cheated by the sheer pissed ness of it all.  Ted and Raven were class though.


24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown?

Anything by Colesy.


25) Favorite track on the new album:

Asteroid

26) Least favorite track on the new album:

Dark Forces, Never Get To Me, House That Pain Built, Loose Cannon


27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been:

Blood On Your Hands


28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts?  nope


29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record?   Geordie

30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today:  Empire Song

31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR?   One shirt and one poster.  Legendary goodness.

32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site?   tiny plastic figures of the band with giant heads that beep out the tune to Pandys.

33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House:

Cliff, for being an all-round good egg.  With Loose Gannon as vice-secretary.


34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended?

Not whilst Mick Hucknall still roams free.


35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way:

Stab him in both eyes, make him listen to George Michael at obscene volumes.


36) Where is Osama Bin Laden:

in a US training camp preparing to lead the invasion of more countries.



37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)?

are there many of them in St Helens?  probably not anyway.

38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance?  yes, my beard now resists plane attacks.

39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001?   no, but i bet they were wetting themselves laughing.

40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day?  looking at my email at work and saying 'bloody hell!'

41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be:   Make Bluce Ree the next support act on the KJ tour.  Oh and arrest Roman Abramovic

42) Tony Blair is a: bloody good actor

43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction:   hahahahahahaa... not as funny as freedom fries

44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument:

He's a genius.  He talked most of Europe into invading Iraq with him, I wish I was that ambitious.


45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's?

dunno, it's all a bit rubbish over there anyway.


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Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now --0-901364218-1071777322=:17137-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 20:03:38 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?bluce=20ree?=) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:03:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: <20031218.143127.976.3.Wscheip1@juno.com> Message-ID: <20031218200338.9812.qmail@web86105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --0-63748768-1071777818=:9496 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit what i dont get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth metallers with a whimpy chick singer can get to number 1. Will E Scheipers wrote:Have you ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs all have open cords as the verse for every song? I don't get it either..... From, Will 17) Most overrated music of the year: My wife has been listening to Evanesance or something like that, a lot. I just don’t get it... --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now --0-63748768-1071777818=:9496 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
what i dont get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth metallers with a whimpy chick singer can get to number 1. 

Will E Scheipers <wscheip1@juno.com> wrote:
Have you ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs all have open cords as the verse for every song? I don't get it either.....
 
From,
Will
 


17) Most overrated music of the year:

My wife has been listening to Evanesance or something like that, a lot. I just don’t get it...




Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now --0-63748768-1071777818=:9496-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 20:11:12 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (n0153) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:11:12 -0200 Subject: [kj] poll In-Reply-To: <20031218192537.16682.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031218192537.16682.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <53A1C5E8-3196-11D8-9865-0030656468B0@uol.com.br> --Apple-Mail-2--1018207904 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed 1) Your Name: Junior 2) Your Age: 25 (Soon to be 26 on January 4th) 3) Are you married and have you any children? Nope. And for no reason=20 at all and by my choice, just getting out of a relationship that was=20 excellent. 4) I live here: Sao Paulo 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: Seven years now... could=20= be more. Even though I have been only lurking for the last couple of=20 months. 6) What do you want for X-mas? An 18-inch action figure of Leatherface,=20= from Texas Chainsaw Massacre. 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year?=A0 Breaking up with the girl I=20= love. 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? Gonna make some very good movies and=20 travel. 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it ? David=20 Bowie's Reality and Syd Barrett's Madcap Laughs. Both are excellent,=20 the latest being pure genious. 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top=20 five favorite releases of the year? the new bowie. mars volta was=20 almost ok... and I can't think of any other one... ahhh the new=20 Neubauten is great. 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? I haven't=20 seen anything. 12) Worst music you heard all year: as I do not watch mtv (hardly watch=20= any tv at all) or listen to the radio, I have listened very few shitty=20= things. Probably the crappiest shit around would be those bands that=20 want to sound like 70's punk bands. 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of=20 ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer=20 need not be restricted to music)=A0 Me 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material:=20 Killing Joke, Mission of Burma, Gang of Four, Fugazi, Skinny Puppy 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: all=20 melodic metal 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee:=20 Killing Joke - entire catalog 17) Most overrated music of the year: Strokes 18) Most underrated music of the year: Killing Joke 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: Joy=20 Division, Einst=FCrzende Neubauten, Death in June, Legendary Pink Dots,=20= Skinny Puppy 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet =20 Can't really say much because my own presence on the net has been=20 ridiculous these last months. 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like=20= the following to happen: New album without the foofie with Big Paul=20 back... and a south american tour. 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly=20 explain your reaction I saw them when they played rio de janeiro, sao paulo and buenos aires.=20= oh wait! they didn't come! 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the=20= red Krusty Clown? a real pic of a dead president bush. 25) Favorite track on the new album: House pain built 26) Least favorite track on the new album: none 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have=20 been: Total Invasion 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your=20 thoughts? Haven't seen. 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next=20 Killing Joke record? Me 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Total Invasion 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT=20 THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? My ex girlfriend told me right after I=20 broke up with her that she had ordered two shirts but now would have to=20= cancel the order. 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable=20 site? KJ underwear. 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White=20= House: Osama, vice Sadam 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Sad dam Hussein has been=20 apprehended? Why would I? 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: Set him=20 free again so the U.S have something to pretend to be doing. 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Hidden 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the=20 homefront (US/UK/EUR)? No. 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? I don't think they=20= would attack Brasil, so.... 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September=20 11, 2001? Does it matter? 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? Sleeping when my mom called telling me that "they were bombing nyc" 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office=20 would be: Get me some money 42) Tony Blair is an: _________. english and very silly man 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American=20= Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: couldn't=20 care less. 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why=20= you feel this way. Support your argument: True. Do I really need to=20 tell you why? 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own=20 situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? Do I care? ::::END:::: --Apple-Mail-2--1018207904 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 1) Your Name: Junior=20 2) Your Age: 25 (Soon to be 26 on January 4th)=20 3) Are you married and have you any children? Nope. And for no reason at all and by my choice, just getting out of a relationship that was excellent. 4) I live here: Sao Paulo=20 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: Seven years now... could be more. Even though I have been only lurking for the last couple of months.=20 6) What do you want for X-mas? An 18-inch action figure of Leatherface, from Texas Chainsaw Massacre.=20 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year?=A0 Breaking up with the girl I love.=20 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? Gonna make some very good movies and travel.=20 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it ? David Bowie's Reality and Syd Barrett's Madcap Laughs. Both are excellent, the latest being pure genious. 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? the new bowie. mars volta was almost ok... and I can't think of any other one... ahhh the new Neubauten is great.=20 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? I haven't seen anything.=20 12) Worst music you heard all year: as I do not watch mtv (hardly watch any tv at all) or listen to the radio, I have listened very few shitty things. Probably the crappiest shit around would be those bands that want to sound like 70's punk bands. 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music)=A0 Me=20 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: Killing Joke, Mission of Burma, Gang of Four, Fugazi, Skinny Puppy 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: all melodic metal 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: Killing Joke - entire catalog=20 17) Most overrated music of the year: Strokes=20 18) Most underrated music of the year: Killing Joke=20 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: Joy Division, Einst=FCrzende Neubauten, Death in June, Legendary Pink Dots, Skinny Puppy 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet Can't really say much because my own presence on the net has been ridiculous these last months. 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: New album without the foofie with Big Paul back... and a south american tour. 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction=20 I saw them when they played rio de janeiro, sao paulo and buenos aires. oh wait! they didn't come! 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? a real pic of a dead president bush.=20 25) Favorite track on the new album: House pain built 26) Least favorite track on the new album: none=20 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: Total Invasion=20 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? Haven't seen.=20 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? Me 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Total Invasion 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? My ex girlfriend told me right after I broke up with her that she had ordered two shirts but now would have to cancel the order.=20 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? KJ underwear.=20 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: Osama, vice Sadam 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Sad dam Hussein has been apprehended? Why would I?=20 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: Set him free again so the U.S have something to pretend to be doing. 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Hidden 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? No.=20 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? I don't think they would attack Brasil, so.... 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001?=20 Does it matter? 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day?=20 Sleeping when my mom called telling me that "they were bombing nyc" 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be:=20 Get me some money 42) Tony Blair is an: _________. english and very silly man=20 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: couldn't care less.=20 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: True. Do I really need to tell you why? 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? Do I care? ::::END::::=20 --Apple-Mail-2--1018207904-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 20:11:27 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Falcata-Galia Recordings) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:11:27 -0800 Subject: Fwd: [kj] Intro In-Reply-To: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1E9@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> Message-ID: <000201c3c5a3$21aca6d0$6600a8c0@rudolph> Perfect. I'm into joining a fracas. Thanks for the welcome. Regards, Rudolph A. Carrera Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's Information Center http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of Phillipps Marc Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:42 AM To: 'gathering@misera.net' Subject: RE: Fwd: [kj] Intro >Welcome Rudy Whoops, where are my manners ? Welcome to The Gathering Rudy . . . . it's not normally as bad as this (it's worse !!) :=AC) Marc > -----Original Message----- > From: Javier Garcia [SMTP:jagargal@lycos.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:33 PM > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: Re: Fwd: [kj] Intro >=20 > Welcome Rudy; so, where are you located/where are you from? >=20 > Javier > mexico city >=20 >=20 > -- >=20 > --------- Original Message --------- >=20 > DATE: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:35:05 > From: Wrightdvdw@aol.com > To: gathering@misera.net > Cc:=20 >=20 > > > >Greetings Rudy, > > > >I think you will find this place interesting since joining earlier this > year=20 > >have been chatting and meeting lots of Gatherers ,certainly made my life > more=20 > >bearable. > > > >Also incase Im not on line form now til xmas (getting hellishly busy at > work=20 > >and after it will be frenetic) may i take this oppertunity to wish all=20 > >Gatherers a happy Christmas and as 2003 was the year of the Joke , may it > continue in=20 > >2004. > > > >Burn, burn, burn brightly. > > > >Dave > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > ____________________________________________________________ > Free Poetry Contest. Win $10,000. Submit your poem @ Poetry.com! > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6750922;3807821;l?http://www.poetry.com/co nt > est/contest.asp?Suite=3DA59101 > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >=20 >=20 This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 20:12:25 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Falcata-Galia Recordings) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:12:25 -0800 Subject: Fwd: [kj] Intro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c3c5a3$443dd570$6600a8c0@rudolph> Hello Javier,=20 I live in Rialto, southern California, after returning from Macedonia. The last page in my footer will speak more about me. Regards, Rudolph A. Carrera Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's Information Center http://geocities.com/racarrera -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of Javier Garcia Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:33 AM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: Fwd: [kj] Intro Welcome Rudy; so, where are you located/where are you from? Javier mexico city -- --------- Original Message --------- DATE: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:35:05 From: Wrightdvdw@aol.com To: gathering@misera.net Cc:=20 > >Greetings Rudy, > >I think you will find this place interesting since joining earlier this year=20 >have been chatting and meeting lots of Gatherers ,certainly made my life more=20 >bearable. > >Also incase Im not on line form now til xmas (getting hellishly busy at work=20 >and after it will be frenetic) may i take this oppertunity to wish all=20 >Gatherers a happy Christmas and as 2003 was the year of the Joke , may it continue in=20 >2004. > >Burn, burn, burn brightly. > >Dave > ____________________________________________________________ Free Poetry Contest. Win $10,000. Submit your poem @ Poetry.com! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6750922;3807821;l?http://www.poetry.com/co ntest/contest.asp?Suite=3DA59101 _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 20:24:00 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (P) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:24:00 +0100 Subject: [kj] P S In-Reply-To: <7EA66ACBFB7B8B4DA4C306BDAD178A5E29256B@abz-irg-exs01> Message-ID: consistently anti-war arguments in the official media? where do you live? I will move there too. PAVEL >>> I agree Bob, we are bombarded with this debate from all the usual media outlets, i'm sick of it, more KJ please. From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 20:23:57 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (P) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:23:57 +0100 Subject: [kj] ps In-Reply-To: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1E5@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> Message-ID: Actually when we were here petitioning against the war here in Prague, vast majority of people were opposed to war (for very same reasons many on the list already explained). Only rarely someone came to us and asked "who is paying you for doing this?" and I have usually replied "Sadam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden." I did it in order to ridicule the people who ask such an extremely stupid question and who cant imagine that they would do something for what they believe in instead of money. It was possible for me to say that because it is so absurd that it could not have been misunderstood and many people actually laughed about. and what is the point of saying this story? Peter is using similarly absurd statements, but he MEANS it.... Pavel -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of Phillipps Marc Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:34 PM To: 'gathering@misera.net' Subject: RE: [kj] ps >Please read my earlier posts.If you were against him being >toppled,logically,You must of been for him staying in power Peter, I'm sure I speak for a lot of the "Anti-War" people when I say that we weren't against Hussein being toppled, we were against the methods and arguments used by the government(s) who did the toppling . . . There is no black and white (moral right Vs moral wrong) in this issue, so your assertion that anyone who was antiwar is therefore pro Hussein is very, very flawed. At the end of the day, it doesn't seem that your views will be changed by anything that people have said here (applause for the arguers by the way) and I seriously doubt that anyone who was against the war has suddenly slapped their forehead and thought "Damn, by marching I was supporting Saddam!" so is there any reason to prolong an argument that you are clearly loosing ? Anyway, Killing Joke . . . are they crap or what ? :o) Marc. > -----Original Message----- > From: peter.west410 [SMTP:peter.west410@ntlworld.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:07 AM > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] ps > > Please read my earlier posts.If you were against him being > toppled,logically,You must of been for him staying in power > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:18 AM > Subject: Re: [kj] ps > > > > Peter, > > > > Actually, you made the equation anti-war = pro-Saddam, and then said > they > were like nazi-sympathisers. > > > > Have you really swallowed the idea that anti-war = pro-Saddam (as > opposed > merely to using it as a handy insult)? If so, that says a lot for the > level > of thought you've put into this subject. > > > > Jamie > > > > > > > > > > > > >I did nt acually call anybody a nazi,I just likened the nazi > sympathisers > of the thirties to the saddam sympathisers of the day,hardley the same is > it. > > > Appologies if i sent anybody a personal E -mail tonight,I pressed the > wrong button > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). 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This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 20:18:50 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (parasikon) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:18:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] Turd Joker Versus True Joker Message-ID: <20031218201850.79177.qmail@web20405.mail.yahoo.com> --0-927739223-1071778730=:77915 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't know.The title just sounded kinda nice.Like a prisitine little debate,graphic novel, or hand to hand combat with hacked off limbs and such.Bored and frustrated, so i guess i'm just playing around. ; ) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --0-927739223-1071778730=:77915 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I don't know.The title just sounded kinda nice.Like a prisitine little debate,graphic novel, or hand to hand combat with hacked off limbs and such.Bored and frustrated, so i guess i'm just playing around. ; )

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New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --0-927739223-1071778730=:77915-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 20:25:08 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:25:08 -0600 Subject: [kj] ps In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/18/03 2:23 PM, "P" wrote: > > Peter is using similarly absurd statements, but he MEANS it.... > And that is a very scary aspect, Pavel "Bure". The most frightening of all, actually. KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 20:27:08 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:27:08 -0600 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: <20031218200338.9812.qmail@web86105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154602430_5472584 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Ok, now I feel better. From what I have seen and heard from people round here, I was beginning to think I was the only one who saw through their fa=E7ade. On 12/18/03 2:03 PM, "bluce ree" wrote: > what i dont get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth metallers with a whim= py > chick singer can get to number 1. >=20 > Will E Scheipers wrote: >> Have you ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs all have ope= n >> cords as the verse for every song? I don't get it either..... >> =20 >> From, >> Will >> =20 >>=20 >>=20 >> 17) Most overrated music of the year: >>=20 >> My wife has been listening to Evanesance or something like that, a lot. = I >> just don=92t get it... >>=20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154602430_5472584 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Ok, now I feel better. = >From what I have seen and heard from people round here, I was beginning to t= hink I was the only one who saw through their façade.

On 12/18/03 2:03 PM, "bluce ree" <bluceree2003@yahoo.co.uk>= wrote:

what i dont get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth metallers with a whim= py chick singer can get to number 1.  

Will E Scheipers <wscheip1@juno.com> wrote:
Have you ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs all have open= cords as the verse for every song? I don't get it either.....
 
From,
Will
 


17) Most overrated music of the year:

My wife has been listening to Evanesance or something like that, a lot. I j= ust don=92t get it...



KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place = like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3154602430_5472584-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 20:42:01 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (P) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:42:01 +0100 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: <200312181816.hBIIGwOf006595@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C3C5AF.C54FDD00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `031) Your Name: [P] Pavel Sanda (read S as Sh) 2) Your Age: [P] 30 3) Are you married and have you any children? [P] not married, but 10year relationship - almost like married 4) I live here: [P] Praha, Czech Republic 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: [P] August 2003 6) What do you want for X-mas? [P] I want to survive without any embarrasment 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? [P] having sex inside the catholic church 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? [P] see 3 hours long KJ in a big venue and repeat my extravagance of 2003 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: [P] I have never bought any album for me 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? [P] I don't know what was released 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? [P] Only Killing Joke (twice) this (busy) year (of war on war) 12) Worst music you heard all year: [P] Disco Italiano especially Drupi and Ricchi e Poveri 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of [P] George Bush, lady Di, Pope and Elton John , I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music) 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: [P] Bauhas, Einstürzende Neubauten (will play next year), Joy Division (somehow impossible) 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: [P] Guns and Roses 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: [P] The Scream - by Siouxsie and the Banshees 17) Most overrated music of the year: [P] Robbie Wiliams 18) Most underrated music of the year: [P] Asian Dub Foundation 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: [P] Bauhas, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Joy Division, The Clash, Dead Kennedys ... (very difficult to do...tomorrow it might be completely different... forgot NIN, Ministry, Front 242 and all this crowd, industrial and 1980s hip-hop.dance music... cant be done) 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet [P] much better than I thought originally 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: [P] that with Jaz, Raven and Geordie living in Prague they will do monthly gigs here 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction [P] I lost all hopes and miracle happened (Satan bless me) 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? [P] khaki Krusty Clown 25) Favorite track on the new album: [P] Blood on your hands 26) Least favorite track on the new album: [P] Dark Forces 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: [P] Blood on your hands 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? [P] Yes. Would it be so funny for those living outside Czechia. 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? [P] elected committee of gatherers by gathering based on motion by Cliff "Monk-A" Livingstone 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: [P] Empire Song fused with Total Invation and Bloods on your hands 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? [P] Waiting for getting a new job with at least double wage 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? [P] ? 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: [P] corpse George W. Bush after (successful) heart-attack 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? [P] neither safer nor less safer 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: [P] make Bush join him and hand them over to poor inhabitants of Bagdad suburbs 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: [P] In CIA hotel 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? [P] hard to say 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? [P] yes, I will keep demonstrating against any war for which the terrorist attack would provide pretext 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? [P] only one thing: it helped Bush/Blair war-machine get off the ground in Afghanistan and have a second stop was Iraq 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? [P] I was at home. receiving dosens of phone calls urging mer to switch the TV on 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: [P] cancelling army and police and arm the people [P] and retrospective abortion to Dubya 42) Tony Blair is a: [P] Tory B-liar 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: [P] hyper-inflation on the horizon 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: [P] True. He speaks for himself. 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? [P] what was the first? - egg or chicken? ::::END:::: ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C3C5AF.C54FDD00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
1) Your Name:
[P] Pavel Sanda  (read S as=20 Sh)

2) Your Age:
[P] 30 

3) Are=20 you married and have you any children?
[P] not married, but=20 10year relationship - almost like married

4) I = live=20 here:
[P] Praha, Czech Republic 

5) = I've been a=20 member of the Gathering since:
[P] August=20 2003 

6) What do you want for X-mas?
[P] I want=20 to survive without any embarrasment 

7) Your = biggest=20 extravagance of the year?
[P]  having sex inside the catholic=20 church

8) Your biggest hopes for 2004?
[P] see 3=20 hours long KJ in a big venue and repeat my extravagance of 2003=20

9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how = is=20 it?:
[P] I have never bought any album for = me

10)=20 Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five = favorite=20 releases of the year?
[P] I don't know what was=20 released 

11) What live bands have you seen = recently.=20 Did they rate?
[P]  Only Killing Joke (twice) this (busy) year (of = war on=20 war)

12) Worst music you heard all year:
[P]  Disco Italiano especially Drupi and Ricchi e=20 Poveri

13) If I find out that the person I'm = talking to is=20 a big fan of [P] George Bush, lady Di, Pope and Elton=20 John , I lose all interest in talking to them (note: = your=20 answer need not be restricted to music)

14) Band(s) most in need = of=20 reforming/touring/releasing new material:
[P] Bauhas,=20 Einst=FCrzende Neubauten (will play next year), Joy Division (somehow=20 impossible) 

15) Band(s) most in need of = hanging it up=20 and calling it a day:
[P] Guns and = Roses 

16)=20 Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe = stylee:
[P] The=20 Scream - by Siouxsie and the Banshees

17) Most = overrated=20 music of the year:
[P] Robbie = Wiliams 

18) Most=20 underrated music of the year:
[P] Asian Dub=20 Foundation 

19) Next to Killing Joke, my top = five=20 favorite bands/artists are:
[P] Bauhas, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Joy = Division,=20 The Clash, Dead Kennedys ... (very difficult to do...tomorrow it might = be=20 completely different... forgot NIN, Ministry, Front 242 and all = this crowd,=20 industrial and 1980s hip-hop.dance music... cant be = done)

20) Express your views on Killing Joke's = presence on=20 the Internet
[P] much better than I=20 thought originally

22) Regarding the Joke, = despite all=20 the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen:
[P] that=20 with Jaz, Raven and Geordie living in Prague they will do monthly gigs=20 here

23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this = tour? If=20 so, briefly explain your reaction
[P] I lost all hopes and = miracle happened=20 (Satan bless me)

24) What would you have rather = seen on the=20 album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown?
[P] khaki=20 Krusty Clown

25) Favorite track on the new = album:
[P] Blood on=20 your hands 

26) Least favorite track on the = new=20 album:
[P] Dark Forces 

27) Were it up = to you to=20 have chosen the first single, it would have been:
[P]  Blood on your hands

28) = Have you=20 managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts?
[P]  Yes. Would it be so funny for those living = outside=20 Czechia.

29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the = next=20 Killing Joke record?
[P] elected committee of gatherers by = gathering=20 based on motion by Cliff "Monk-A" Livingstone

30) = Killing=20 Joke track that best sums up the world today:
[P] Empire=20 Song fused with Total Invation and Bloods on your = hands

31)=20 Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE = FUCK ARE=20 YOU WAITING FOR?
[P] Waiting for getting a new job with at = least double=20 wage

32) Goods you'd like to see made available on = Mike=20 Coles estimable site?
[P] ? 

33) = Following the=20 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House:
[P] corpse=20 George W. Bush after (successful) heart-attack

34) = Do you=20 feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended?
[P] neither=20 safer nor less safer 

35) Now that he's = in=20 custody, I would handle Saddam this way:
[P] make Bush join him and = hand them over=20 to poor inhabitants of Bagdad suburbs

36) Where is = Osama=20 Bin Laden:
[P] In CIA hotel

37) Have we seen the = last of=20 terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)?
[P]  hard to say

38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance?
[P] yes, I=20 will keep demonstrating against any war for which the terrorist attack = would=20 provide pretext

39) Do you think Iraq had anything = to do=20 with the events of September 11, 2001?
[P] only one thing: it helped = Bush/Blair=20 war-machine get off the ground in Afghanistan and have a second stop was = Iraq

40) Where were you/what were you doing on that = day?
[P] I was at home. receiving dosens of phone calls urging = mer to=20 switch the TV on  

41) Were you the next = American=20 president, your first act in office would be:
[P] cancelling army and police and arm the=20 people
[P] and retrospective abortion to = Dubya

42) Tony Blair is=20 a: [P] Tory B-liar 

43) They want = replace=20 Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of = Ronald=20 Reagan. What is your reaction:
[P] hyper-inflation on = the=20 horizon

44) George=20 W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel = this way.=20 Support your argument:
[P] True. He speaks for=20 himself. 

45) Under which American = administration was=20 the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's?
[P] what was=20 the first? - egg or=20 chicken?

::::END::::
------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C3C5AF.C54FDD00-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 20:43:19 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (P) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:43:19 +0100 Subject: [kj] ps In-Reply-To: Message-ID: PAVEL BURE THAT CANT SKATE... very well.-))) And that is a very scary aspect, Pavel "Bure". From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 20:35:35 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?bluce=20ree?=) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:35:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031218203535.68632.qmail@web86111.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --0-1512014589-1071779735=:68268 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit yeah, I wasn't convinced by them for a second. I just hope KJ dont follow suit with the typical 3rd single has to be a ballad formula! Jester wrote:Ok, now I feel better. From what I have seen and heard from people round here, I was beginning to think I was the only one who saw through their façade. On 12/18/03 2:03 PM, "bluce ree" wrote: what i dont get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth metallers with a whimpy chick singer can get to number 1. Will E Scheipers wrote: Have you ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs all have open cords as the verse for every song? I don't get it either..... From, Will 17) Most overrated music of the year: My wife has been listening to Evanesance or something like that, a lot. I just don’t get it... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now --0-1512014589-1071779735=:68268 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
yeah, I wasn't convinced by them for a second.  I just hope KJ dont follow suit with the typical 3rd single has to be a ballad formula!

Jester <webmaster@killing-joke.com> wrote:
Ok, now I feel better. From what I have seen and heard from people round here, I was beginning to think I was the only one who saw through their façade.

On 12/18/03 2:03 PM, "bluce ree" <bluceree2003@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
what i dont get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth metallers with a whimpy chick singer can get to number 1.  

Will E Scheipers <wscheip1@juno.com> wrote:
Have you ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs all have open cords as the verse for every song? I don't get it either.....
 
From,
Will
 


17) Most overrated music of the year:

My wife has been listening to Evanesance or something like that, a lot. I just don’t get it...



KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

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Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now --0-1512014589-1071779735=:68268-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 20:51:34 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Falcata-Galia Recordings) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:51:34 -0800 Subject: [kj] Homework for jester In-Reply-To: <20031218105705.9E2307261@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: <000001c3c5a8$b9849f80$6600a8c0@rudolph> You're a brave lad, then. Regards, Rudolph A. Carrera Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's Information Center http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of Rob's Arse Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 2:57 AM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: RE: [kj] Homework for jester If we boil it down to those two facts - Porn and Alcohol I might as well go round with a sign on my back saying Bomb Me! --- "Falcata-Galia Recordings" wrote: Poor test, boyo. The real answer is because 1) the boys know their families get paid to do it and 2) they can't fight Israel any other way. I have plenty of issues with Israel, but the Palestinian way is extremely stupid, killing off their future in that way. And the Muslim fanatics do indeed hate porn and alcohol. Major tenant in Islam. Read the Koran. Regards, Rudolph A. Carrera Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's Information Center http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of xps1@quick.cz Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:02 PM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Homework for jester the test: palestinians are suicide bombers because: a) they live better than people in Jordan and Egypt b) they hate shorts, porn and alcohol c) they go to heaven afterwards Peter, send it as a proposal to some comedy show, Monty Pythons would definitely welcome such suggestions.=20 other thing: CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS AND THE REMAKING OF WORLD ORDER, Samuel P. Huntington, is the latest bible of "old" racism and colonialistic attitude. that is an ideological source of what Peter West (is Best) might (is right) like to say, albeit in even more primitive language style. Pavel _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _____________________________________________________________ Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of worldmap.com) _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 20:51:54 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Falcata-Galia Recordings) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:51:54 -0800 Subject: [kj] Intro In-Reply-To: <200312181643.hBIGh0Of003927@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <000101c3c5a8$c887b3a0$6600a8c0@rudolph> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C3C565.BA6473A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alex, =20 This is already proving to be fun. =20 Regards, =20 Rudolph A. Carrera Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's Information Center http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of Alex Smith Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:43 AM To: gathering@misera.net; gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Intro =20 Welcome, Rudolph. Buckle your seat-belt. You've hopped aboard during a period of turbulence. Welcome again, and never be afraid to speak up and tell someone they're full of shit. Alex in NYC ---------- From: "Falcata-Galia Recordings" To: Subject: [kj] Intro Date: Wed, Dec 17, 2003, 10:09 PM =20 Hello;=20 =20 I just joined the list.=20 =20 My name is Rudy Carrera, and Ive been looking for this mailing list for a long time. Im an old fan of the band and wanted to see if I could learn more by being here.=20 =20 Regards,=20 =20 Rudolph A. Carrera=20 Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings=20 http://www.falcata-galia.com=20 Tariff Records=20 http://www.tariffrecords.com=20 Rudy's Information Center=20 http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm=20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C3C565.BA6473A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] Intro

Alex,

 

This is already proving to be = fun.

 

Regards,

 

Rudolph A. = Carrera

Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings

http://www.falcat= a-galia.com

Tariff Records

http://www.tariff= records.com

Rudy's Information Center

http://members.tr= ipod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm

 

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: = gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of Alex Smith
Sent: Thursday, December = 18, 2003 8:43 AM
To: gathering@misera.net; gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] = Intro

 


Welcome, Rudolph. Buckle your seat-belt. You've hopped aboard during a = period of turbulence.

Welcome again, and never be afraid to speak up and tell someone they're = full of shit.

Alex in NYC



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From: "Falcata-Galia Recordings" = <fgrecs@adelphia.net>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: [kj] Intro
Date: Wed, Dec 17, 2003, 10:09 PM

 

Hello; =

 

I just joined the = list.

 

My name is Rudy Carrera, = and Ive been looking for this mailing list for a long time.  Im an old fan = of the band and wanted to see if I could learn more by being = here.

 
Regards,

 

Rudolph A. = Carrera

Fal=E7ata-Galia = Recordings

http://www.falcata-galia.com=

Tariff = Records

http://www.tariffrecords.com=

Rudy's Information = Center

http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info= _ctr/home.htm

 
 

------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C3C565.BA6473A0-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 20:52:20 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Falcata-Galia Recordings) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:52:20 -0800 Subject: [kj] Intro In-Reply-To: <20031218143511.16349.qmail@web25004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c3c5a8$d4e76d20$6600a8c0@rudolph> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3C565.C6C42D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=92m much obliged, Jim! Good to see you here as well, and thanks. =20 Regards, =20 Rudolph A. Carrera Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's Information Center http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of Jim Harper Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:35 AM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Intro =20 Hey Rudy, glad you made it. Hope you stick around. He's a member from the Fields of the Nephilim list, guys. There's a few Neph fans lurking around here too. =20 Jim. Falcata-Galia Recordings wrote: =20 Hello; =20 I just joined the list. =20 My name is Rudy Carrera, and I=92ve been looking for this mailing list = for a long time. I=92m an old fan of the band and wanted to see if I could learn more by being here. =20 Regards, =20 Rudolph A. Carrera Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's Information Center http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm =20 =20 _____ =20 =20 Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3C565.C6C42D20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I’m much obliged, Jim!=A0 = Good to see you here as well, and thanks.

 

Regards,

 

Rudolph A. = Carrera

Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings

http://www.falcat= a-galia.com

Tariff Records

http://www.tariff= records.com

Rudy's Information Center

http://members.tr= ipod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm

 

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: = gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of Jim Harper
Sent: Thursday, December = 18, 2003 6:35 AM
To: = gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] = Intro

 

Hey Rudy, glad you made it. Hope you stick = around. He's a member from the Fields of the Nephilim list, guys. There's a few = Neph fans lurking around here too.

 

Jim.

Falcata-Galia = Recordings <fgrecs@adelphia.net> wrote:

 

Hello;

 

I just joined the list.

 

My name is Rudy Carrera, and I’ve been looking for this mailing list = for a long time.  I’m an old fan of the band and wanted to see if I = could learn more by being here.

 

Regards,

 

Rudolph A. Carrera

Fal=E7ata-Galia = Recordings

http://www.falcat= a-galia.com

Tariff = Records

http://www.tariff= records.com

Rudy's = Information Center

http://members.tr= ipod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm

 

 

Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger = Now

------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3C565.C6C42D20-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 20:58:19 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Falcata-Galia Recordings) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:58:19 -0800 Subject: [kj] the list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000b01c3c5a9$ade27430$6600a8c0@rudolph> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3C566.9FBF3430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=92m beginning to notice that people do squeak about KJ in between war discussions and bagging on each other. Brilliant! =20 Regards, =20 Rudolph A. Carrera Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's Information Center http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of mike coles Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 5:17 AM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: [kj] the list =20 My name is Rudy Carrera, and I've been looking for this mailing list for a long time.=20 Welcome Rudy... =20 I'm an old fan of the band ...not as old as me... =20 and wanted to see if I could learn more by being here. ... you might do, and sometimes people DO talk about killing joke =20 cheers, colesy --=20 Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3C566.9FBF3430 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the list

I’m beginning to notice = that people do squeak about KJ in between war discussions and bagging on each other.  Brilliant!

 

Regards,

 

Rudolph A. = Carrera

Falçata-Ga= lia Recordings

http://www.falcat= a-galia.com

Tariff Records

http://www.tariff= records.com

Rudy's Information Center

http://members.tr= ipod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm

 

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: = gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of mike coles
Sent: Thursday, December = 18, 2003 5:17 AM
To: = gathering@misera.net
Subject: [kj] the = list

 

My name is Rudy Carrera, and I've been looking for this mailing list for a = long time. 

Welcome Rudy...

 

I'm an old fan of the band

...not as old as me...

 

and wanted to see if I could learn more by being here.

... you might do, and sometimes people = DO talk about killing joke

 

cheers,

colesy

--

Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk
... and you can find more Killing Joke at = http://www.studio-c.co.uk

------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3C566.9FBF3430-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 20:58:19 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Falcata-Galia Recordings) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:58:19 -0800 Subject: [kj] Intro In-Reply-To: <00ab01c3c568$977984e0$fdcfddc8@o7l3j2> Message-ID: <001001c3c5a9$b175d420$6600a8c0@rudolph> Thanks, diaz Regards, Rudolph A. Carrera Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's Information Center http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of JOKERS PUB CAFE Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:19 AM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Intro Welcome to the list Rudy!! diaz _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 21:02:18 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:02:18 +0000 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: <200312181816.hBIIGwOf006595@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20031218203021.030e2f30@pop3.norton.antivirus> > > > >1) Your Name: >DAVE > >2) Your Age: >34, PHYSICALLY > >3) Are you married and have you any children? >NEVER! EVER! EVER! CAN'T SEE THE POINT IN MARRIAGE (FOR ME I MEAN). > >4) I live here: >EDINBURGH, SCOTLAND... YE WANT TAE MAKE SOMETHIN' OF IT LIKES YA RADGE? > >5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: >1998? 1999? HARD TO REMEMBER NOW > >6) What do you want for X-mas? A CANCELLATION OF THE WHOLE DAMN THING. >7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? GOING TO SEE TURBONEGRO AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN >8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? LESS SHIFTING TOWARDS THE RIGHT PLEASE AND A WHOLE HOST OF OTHER THINGS. BLIND HOPE. >9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: JOE STRUMMER - STREETCORE - PATCHY, BUT SOME GREAT MOMENTS >10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five >favorite releases of the year? TURBONEGRO - SCANDINAVIAN LEATHER, FUZZTONES - SALT FOR ZOMBIES, BUZZCOCKS - BUZZCOCKS OTHER THAN THOSE, OR SOMETHING SO GOOD I'VE FORGOTTEN ABOUT IT, IT'S BEEN PRETTY DISMAL. >11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? TURBONEGRO 5 TIMES IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. FUCKING GREAT EVERYTIME, THOUGH LONDON WAS FULL OF WANKERS. >12) Worst music you heard all year: HMM, I'VE BLANKED IT OUT I THINK >13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, >I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be >restricted to music) OH, SO MUCH, HEH HEH. MUSICALLY, THE DARKNESS. I'D SAY GEORGE BUSH BUT TEND TO ARGUE POINTLESSLY INSTEAD OF LOSING INTEREST. >14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: I'D LOVE THE STRANGLERS WITH HUGH BACK. NEW HAWKWIND ALBUM (BUT THAT'S COMING NEXT YEAR ANYWAY). >15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: MOST OF THE SHIT AT HOLIDAYS IN THE SUN EVERY YEAR >16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: HAWKWIND - WARRIOR ON THE EDGE OF TIME >17) Most overrated music of the year: THE FUCKING DARKNESS. GIVE ME BLEEDIN' STRENGTH. >18) Most underrated music of the year: I DUNNO... RATED BY WHO? IF IT'S THE SAME PEOPLE THAT RATE THE ABOVE, THEN PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING I LIKE! BUT I DON'T WANT THEM TO LIKE IT ANYWAY... STAY AWAY YOU CUNTS! >19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: IN CONSTANTLY CHANGING ORDER - HAWKWIND, THE DAMNED, TURBONEGRO, ROKY ERICKSON, AND THEN LOTS MORE... CLASH, STRANGLERS, NEKROMANTIX, AND ON AND ON AND ON, SO MANY! >20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet WELL, IT'S THERE. NEVER USED TO BE MUCH AND NOW THERE IS. >22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like >the following to happen: THEM TO KEEP GOING >23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain >your reaction PURE JOY. WHEN THEY CAME ON WITH REQIUEM AT CAMDEN IT WAS TRULY A MOMENT TO SAVOUR. >24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red >Krusty Clown? WHATEVER MIKE WOULDA COME UP WITH... PRETTY LIKELY I WOULDA LIKED THAT YIN. >25) Favorite track on the new album: HMM, POSSIBLY DEATH AND RESURRECTION SHOW, BUT THERE'S A FEW THAT ARE FAVES. >26) Least favorite track on the new album: LOOSE CANNON >27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: SEEING RED, MAYBE. >28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? NO >29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next >Killing Joke record? JIMMY PURSEY (JOKE) >30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: SEEING RED >31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE >FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? BOUGHT LOTS. TOO MUCH IN MY OPINION, NOT ENOUGH IN MIKE'S (I ASSUME) :) >32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? BEDSPREADS. NOT REALLY. MORE COOL SHIRTS. >33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: THERE'S NO-ONE THAT'S WITHIN THE REALMS OF POSSIBILITY. OKAY THEN MR.MOORE. >34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? HA HA HA HA >35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: IT'LL TAKE ME TOO LONG TO COME UP WITH AN ANSWER... PUB IN A WEE WHILE. DON'T BELIEVE IN DEATH PENALTY THOUGH. >36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: MORE PLACES BY THE DAY, SADLY. >37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the >homefront (US/UK/EUR)? OH I VERY MUCH DOUBT IT. VERY VERY MUCH. >38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? MY UNDERGROUND BUNKER IS ALMOST COMPLETED. KEEP BACK... I'M ARMED... THERE'S NO ROOM FOR YOU! >39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, >2001? NOT A FUCKING THING. >40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? PUTTING UP POSTERS FOR THANES GIG ROUND EDINBURGH. >41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: CONTROLLING THE MEDIA ;-) >42) Tony Blair is a: _________. FUCKING WANKER, CAN HARDLY BELIEVE HE'S UP THERE WITH THATCHER IN MY MOST-HATED. >43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American >Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: NONE REALLY. >44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why >you feel this way. Support your argument: IS THIS A TRICK QUESTION? BUSH IS SUPPORTING MY ARGUMENT FOR ME. >45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation >better off: Bush's or Clinton's? THE WORLD WAS BETTER UNDER CLINTON, BUT THEY'RE ALL CUT FROM THE SAME CLOTH REALLY... BUSH HAS TAKEN BEING A CUNT TO EXTREMES THOUGH. YES, I KNOW I'VE BEEN SHOUTING ALL THE WAY THROUGH BUT MAKES IT EASIER TO DISTINGUISH FROM THE QUESTION PART. WELL, IT DOES FOR ME! >::::END:::: From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 21:04:03 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:04:03 -0000 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 References: <200312181816.hBIIGwOf006595@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <002501c3c5aa$7e5110e0$6f48ff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C3C5AA.77A378A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alex Smith=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:17 PM Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Alright. As threatened, herewith THE GATHERING YEAR-END POLL FOR = 2003. Most of you know how this works, but being that there are a lot of = newbies around these days, simply Cut'n Paste the following questionaire = part of this message into a new message and answer the questions as they = apply to you, and then send them to the Gathering = (gathering@misera.net). This is not a scientific nor deadly serious = poll, so feel free to waive any questions that you find too invasive, = but by the same token -- don't be a big pussy, answer the questions. = It's only 45 questions, and most of them are short, one or two word = answers, so keep thy whining to thyself. 1) Your Name:Peter West 2) Your Age:34 3) Are you married and have you any children?=20 Yes/no 4) I live here: London 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: nov 03 6) What do you want for X-mas? Surprise me 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? Football season ticket 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? winning the league 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: KJ 2003 Habit im sure you know 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top = five favorite releases of the year? Specials ,remastered first album.=20 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? I saw the CRASS collective in london, It was surprising 12) Worst music you heard all year: The bell at closing time. 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of = _bum sex_______, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your = answer need not be restricted to music) 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new = material: michael jackson needs to reformed back to a blackman ,rather than a = white woman=20 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: Rolling stones 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe = stylee: revalations 17) Most overrated music of the year: Darkness 18) Most underrated music of the year: Nick cave and kylie duet (ps i know) 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: Red house painters,2 live crew 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet the web sites are good,apart the occassional idiot posting !!! 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really = like the following to happen: they play a complete album per night every friday for ten weeks 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly = explain your reaction Yes astoria twice and camden. Twisted ankle, buzzing ears and = countless bruises 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the = red Krusty Clown? ill hand that one over to colesy 25) Favorite track on the new album: Inferno 26) Least favorite track on the new album: Astoroid 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have = been: seeing red 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your = thoughts? Afraid not 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next = Killing Joke record? Youth. (only other one i know) 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today:is a verse ok = The long winter is coming and my instincts is telling me to = fly towards the south 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT = THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR?No 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable = site?=20 A jaz coleman halloween mask,like the one hes been wearing on tour. 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the = White House: Lee harvey oswald 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehrended? = No 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: respectfully=20 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: probly claiming asylum in hackney 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the = homefront (US/UK/EUR)? No 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? I was in the cubs,Yes 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September = 11, 2001?=20 No , Saddam and Osama were rivals 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? working ,london 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office = would be,=20 Find the intern(bill clinton style) 42) Tony Blair is a: Decent person_________. 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American = Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: Its only a face.would nt even notice. 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling = why you feel this way. Support your argument: True ,becaues after catching saddam,He publically humiliated him,Which = is not good for future relations=20 ps. When the americans were checking inside his mouth,were they = looking for weapons of mass destruction! 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own = situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? Clinton ::::END:::: ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C3C5AA.77A378A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alex=20 Smith
Sent: Thursday, December 18, = 2003 6:17=20 PM
Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR = `03



Alright. As threatened, herewith THE GATHERING = YEAR-END POLL=20 FOR 2003. Most of you know how this works, but being that there = are a=20 lot of newbies around these days, simply Cut'n Paste the following=20 questionaire part of this message into a new message and answer the=20 questions as they apply to you, and then send them to the Gathering=20  (gathering@misera.net). This is not a scientific nor deadly = serious=20 poll, so feel free to waive any questions that you find too = invasive, but by=20 the same token -- don't be a big pussy, answer the questions. =  It's=20 only 45 questions, and most of them are short, one or two word = answers, so=20 keep thy whining to thyself.


1) Your Name:Peter = West

2)=20 Your Age:34

3) Are you married and have you any children? =
    Yes/no
4) I live=20 here:
 London
5) I've = been a=20 member of the Gathering since:
  = nov =20  03
6) What do you want for X-mas?
  Surprise me

7) Your biggest = extravagance of the=20 year?
  Football season=20 ticket

8) Your biggest hopes for 2004?
       winning the = league
9)=20 What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?:
   KJ 2003     =20 Habit    im sure you know

10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were = your top=20 five favorite releases of the year?
Specials=20 ,remastered first album.

11) What live bands have = you seen=20 recently. Did they rate?
I saw the = CRASS=20 collective in london, It was surprising

12) Worst music you heard all year:
 The bell at closing time.

13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big = fan of=20 _bum sex_______, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your = answer=20 need not be restricted to music)

14) Band(s) most in need of=20 reforming/touring/releasing new material:
 michael jackson needs to reformed back to a blackman = ,rather=20 than a white woman 

15) Band(s) most in need = of hanging=20 it up and calling it a day:
 Rolling=20 stones

16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release = deluxe=20 stylee:
revalations

17) Most overrated music = of the=20 year:
Darkness

18) Most underrated music of the year:
Nick cave and kylie duet (ps i=20 know)

19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite=20 bands/artists are:
Red house = painters,2 live=20 crew
20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on = the=20 Internet
the web sites are good,apart = the=20 occassional idiot posting !!!

22) Regarding the Joke, = despite all=20 the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen:

  they play a = complete album per=20 night  every friday for ten weeks

23) Did you get to see = Killing Joke=20 on this tour? If so, briefly explain your = reaction
Yes astoria twice and camden. Twisted ankle, buzzing ears and = countless=20 bruises

24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, = other=20 than the red Krusty Clown?
 
ill hand that one over to colesy

25) Favorite track on the = new=20 album:
Inferno
26) Least = favorite track=20 on the new album:
Astoroid
27) Were it up=20 to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been:
seeing red

28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the = Devil" as=20 yet? Your thoughts?
 Afraid not

29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you = like to=20 see produce the next Killing Joke record?
Youth. (only other one i know)

30) Killing Joke track that = best=20 sums up the world today:is a verse = ok             = The long=20 winter is coming and my instincts is telling me to fly towards =  the=20 south

31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If = not, WHAT=20 THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR?No

32) Goods you'd like to see = made=20 available on Mike Coles estimable site?
A jaz coleman halloween mask,like the one hes been wearing on = tour.
 

33) Following the 2004 = Elections, I'd=20 like to see this man in the White House:
Lee harvey oswald

34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam = Hussein=20 has been apprehrended?  No

35) Now that he's in custody, I = would=20 handle Saddam this way:
          resp= ectfully=20

36) Where is Osama Bin Laden:
   probly claiming asylum = in=20 hackney

37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists = on the=20 homefront (US/UK/EUR)? No

38) Do you feel prepared for another = such=20 instance?
I was in the = cubs,Yes

39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of = September=20 11, 2001? 
 No , Saddam and Osama were rivals

40) Where = were=20 you/what were you doing on that day?
         working=20 ,london

41) Were you the next = American=20 president, your first act in office would be,
Find the intern(bill clinton style)

42) Tony Blair is a: Decent=20 person_________.

43) They want replace Franklin Delano = Roosevelt's face=20 on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your=20 reaction:
Its only a face.would nt even=20 notice.

44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain = your=20 feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument:
True ,becaues after catching saddam,He publically humiliated = him,Which=20 is not  good for future relations 
 
ps. = When the=20 americans were checking inside his mouth,were they looking for weapons = of mass=20 destruction!

45) Under which American administration was the world/your = own=20 situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's?
 =20 = Clinton
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= ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C3C5AA.77A378A0-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 21:18:00 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:18:00 +1100 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Message-ID: 1) Your Name: Scott Lambeth 2) Your Age: 36 in 3 weeks 3) Are you married and have you any children? de factoed 16 years with 2 Dalmatians 4) I live here: Canberra Australia 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: 1998 6) What do you want for X-mas? a blowjob from one of the gals at work 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? flying interstate to see a band that didn't show up 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? I hope to get better at triathlon & reduce my golf handicap & get that blowjob 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: Latest Killing Joke album - it's alright 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of motor sports, religion or animal cruelty, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music) 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: Faith No More 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: Red Hot Chilli Peppers 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: Most KJ back-catelog 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction Um, no. Did, however, get to meet fellow Gatherer Michele - a fuckin' great bloke 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? Anything Colesy. 25) Favorite track on the new album: Implant 26) Least favorite track on the new album: You'll Never Get To Me sucks dead dingos dongers 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: Seeing Red 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: (This is) Madness - who's truth is your truth? 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Nope. I'm waiting for a white t-shirt with KILLING JOKE written across the front in the "Pandemonium" font. 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? A KILLING JOKE sticker for my car would be nice. How about KILLING JOKE golf balls? 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: He was working the door at the Metro on November 19 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? No one does. Not even George W. He knows they didn't. 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: There'll be a lot of lost change... ::::END:::: **************************************************************** NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you received this message in error please notify HIC immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of HIC. **************************************************************** From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 21:23:51 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Greyson Stoehr) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:23:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL '03 In-Reply-To: <20031218210611.86E98DBE0@four.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20031218212351.10108.qmail@web11202.mail.yahoo.com> 1) Your Name: Greyson, RedEmpress 2) Your Age: If you have to ask, you must be a youngster 3) Are you married and have you any children? No. Backed out of two engagements and NEVER wanted children. 4) I live here: Indianapolis, Indiana, USA 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: Not sure; 2000 mebbe? 6) What do you want for X-mas? THE GATHERING TO GOING BACK TO FILLING MY INBOX WITH KILLING JOKE RELATED THINGS INSTEAD OF PURE CRAP 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? I believe this question is what we like to call ‘an oxymoron’. 12) Worst music you heard all year: The Darkness 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: Sister of Mercy 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: Aerosmith, followed closely by KISS 17) Most overrated music of the year: See Item #12 18) Most underrated music of the year: Killing Joke, natch 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: You’d never care, anyway. 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet Long overdue, but thankfully now a reality 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: Echoing Dave: THEM TO KEEP GOING 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? Some real art would have been nice 25) Favorite track on the new album: Seeing Red 26) Least favorite track on the new album: Death and Resurrection Show 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: Seeing Red 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? Yes; thought it was very similar to “Leningrad Cowboys Go America”. The bits with Jaz and the poor, stricken musicians were hysterically funny. I’ve recommended it to people. ALL POLITICAL DRIVEL QUESTIONS DELETED 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance (of terrorism)? I believe the Muslim term in English is: If Allah wills it (Imshallah) Grey __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 21:48:01 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (ade) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:48:01 -0000 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: <20031218203535.68632.qmail@web86111.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00c801c3c5b0$9c860290$0200a8c0@thelab.local> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C9_01C3C5B0.9C884C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit How long can those pointless tossers continue? One (s)hit wonder no doubt... that's my fucking hope anyway. -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of bluce ree Sent: 18 December 2003 20:36 To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 yeah, I wasn't convinced by them for a second. I just hope KJ dont follow suit with the typical 3rd single has to be a ballad formula! Jester wrote: Ok, now I feel better. From what I have seen and heard from people round here, I was beginning to think I was the only one who saw through their façade. On 12/18/03 2:03 PM, "bluce ree" wrote: what i dont get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth metallers with a whimpy chick singer can get to number 1. Will E Scheipers wrote: Have you ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs all have open cords as the verse for every song? I don't get it either..... From, Will 17) Most overrated music of the year: My wife has been listening to Evanesance or something like that, a lot. I just don't get it... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! 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How=20 long can those pointless tossers continue? One (s)hit wonder no doubt... = that's=20 my fucking hope anyway.
-----Original Message-----
From: = gathering-admin@misera.net=20 [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of bluce=20 ree
Sent: 18 December 2003 20:36
To:=20 gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR=20 `03

yeah, I wasn't convinced by them for a second.  I just hope = KJ dont=20 follow suit with the typical 3rd single has to be a ballad=20 formula!

Jester = <webmaster@killing-joke.com> wrote:=20
Ok, now I feel = better. From what=20 I have seen and heard from people round here, I was beginning to = think I was=20 the only one who saw through their fa=E7ade.

On 12/18/03 2:03 = PM,=20 "bluce ree" <bluceree2003@yahoo.co.uk> = wrote:
what i dont=20 get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth metallers with a whimpy = chick=20 singer can get to number 1.  

Will E Scheipers=20 <wscheip1@juno.com> wrote:
Have you=20 ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs all have open = cords=20 as the verse for every song? I don't get it=20 either.....
 
From,
Will
 


17) = Most=20 overrated music of the year:

My wife has been listening = to=20 Evanesance or something like that, a lot. I just don't get=20 it...



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------=_NextPart_000_00C9_01C3C5B0.9C884C80-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 21:54:19 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Christophe Barry) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:54:19 +0100 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth References: <200312172324.hBHNO6tu026279@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <002f01c3c5b1$7d8187b0$5ffea8c0@SACHA> Texas also gave SRV , Fabulous thunderbirds, and Rev Ho' (and couple of chips for those that take care) cb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Smith" To: ; "Gathering" Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > My wife's parents now live in Houston. The first time we went and visited > them in 1999, I expected armadillos and cacti and ten gallon hats and cowboy > boots and butes (sp?) and desert. I didn't see *ONE* of those things. The > part of Texas Houston's in is entirely flat, very green, littered with strip > malls and freeway clovers. We might as well have been in Ohio. Oh, and it's > dead boring. > > Texas is a *HUGE* state, and counts all types of climate, sensibility and > culture in its favor. Trying to sum up Texas in one fell swoop is an > exercise in futility. Yes, Texas did blight the world with George W. > Bush,.....but let's remember, Texas also blessed the world with the Butthole > Surfers. > > Alex > in > NYC > > > > ---------- > >From: Jester > >To: Gathering > >Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > >Date: Wed, Dec 17, 2003, 6:11 PM > > > > >On 12/17/03 2:43 AM, "xps1@quick.cz" wrote: > > > >> true, myself I have seen "Dallas" twice on the TV... difficult life in Texas > >> isnt it? > > > >We all own oil wells. > > > >We all live on a ranch and wear "ten gallon hats" > > > >We really do ride horses to work. > > > >We listen to both kinds of music. Country and western > > > >JR really does exist > > > >Things in Texas really are bigger. Just ask your mom, sister and girl > >friend. > > > >:-D > > > >KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! > >OCCISIO LOCATIO > > > >THE WEBMASTER, > >JESTER > >WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM > >WWW.PARALLAX1.COM > > > >There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > > > >"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or > >Gates?" > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Gathering mailing list > >Gathering@misera.net > >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 21:55:36 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:55:36 -0600 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: <00c801c3c5b0$9c860290$0200a8c0@thelab.local> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154607737_5793984 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I feel the same way about Saliva as well...but those tossers keep on too...and yup, my wife plays some of that shit just to further torment me, no doubt. Damn the youth of America to hell! On 12/18/03 3:48 PM, "ade" wrote: > How long can those pointless tossers continue? One (s)hit wonder no doubt= ... > that's my fucking hope anyway. >> =20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On >> Behalf Of bluce ree >> Sent: 18 December 2003 20:36 >> To: gathering@misera.net >> Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 >>=20 >> =20 >> yeah, I wasn't convinced by them for a second. I just hope KJ dont fol= low >> suit with the typical 3rd single has to be a ballad formula! >>=20 >> Jester wrote: >>> Ok, now I feel better. From what I have seen and heard from people rou= nd >>> here, I was beginning to think I was the only one who saw through thei= r >>> fa=E7ade. >>>=20 >>> On 12/18/03 2:03 PM, "bluce ree" wrote: >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>> what i dont get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth metallers with a >>>> whimpy chick singer can get to number 1. >>>>=20 >>>> Will E Scheipers wrote: >>>> =20 >>>>> Have you ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs all have= open >>>>> cords as the verse for every song? I don't get it either..... >>>>> =20 >>>>> From, >>>>> Will >>>>> =20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> 17) Most overrated music of the year: >>>>>=20 >>>>> My wife has been listening to Evanesance or something like that, a l= ot. I >>>>> just don't get it... >>>>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! >>> OCCISIO LOCATIO >>>=20 >>> THE WEBMASTER,=20 >>> JESTER =20 >>> WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM >>> WWW.PARALLAX1.COM >>>=20 >>> There is no place like 127.0.0.1 >>>=20 >>> "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r >>> Gates?" >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Yahoo! Messenger >> > > - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messen= ger >> Now=20 >> > /download/index.html> >=20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154607737_5793984 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 I feel the same way abo= ut Saliva as well...but those tossers keep on too...and yup, my wife plays s= ome of that shit just to further torment me, no doubt. Damn the youth of Ame= rica to hell!

On 12/18/03 3:48 PM, "ade" <ade@the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote= :

How long can those pointless tossers continue? One (s= )hit wonder no doubt... that's my fucking hope anyway.

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-admin@misera.net  [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of b= luce  ree
Sent: 18 December 2003 20:36
To:  gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR  `03

 
yeah, I wasn't convinced by them for a second.  I just hope KJ dont &n= bsp;follow suit with the typical 3rd single has to be a ballad  formula= !

Jester <webmaster@killing-joke.com> wrote:  
Ok, now I feel better. From what  I have seen and heard from people = round here, I was beginning to think I was  the only one who saw throug= h their façade.

On 12/18/03 2:03 PM,  "bluce ree" <bluceree2003@yahoo.co.= uk> wrote:

 
what i dont  get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth metallers with = a whimpy chick  singer can get to number 1.  

Will E Scheipers  <wscheip1@juno.com> wrote:
 
Have you  ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs all hav= e open cords  as the verse for every song? I don't get it  either.= ....
 
From,
Will
 


17) Most  overrated music of the year:

My wife has been listening to  Evanesance or something like that, a lo= t. I just don't get  it...



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THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER  
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
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 --B_3154607737_5793984-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 21:59:12 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Leigh Newton) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:59:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: <200312181816.hBIIGwOf006595@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20031218215912.79878.qmail@web10409.mail.yahoo.com> > > 1) Your Name: Leigh Newton > > 2) Your Age: 27 > > 3) Are you married and have you any children? Engaged to be married in March/04 > > 4) I live here: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada > > 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: ummmm, like 2000, 2001 maybe? not sure > > 6) What do you want for X-mas? maybe a kickass microphone and a stand or maybe a gamecube, we'll see. > > 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? all the time i took off of work, legitimately and otherwise (some ficticious weddings and sicknesses and dental appointments came into play) to go on tour. > > 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? for my wedding to go off without a hitch (wishful thinking), and just to up the ante on recording and playing music. > > 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how > is it? it was The No Music by Themselves. I bought it because a friend played it for me and i really liked it. It's fucking great-really cool, underground, experimental hip hop from the midwest USA! > > 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what > were your top five > favorite releases of the year? in no order, they were: 1) Grand Buffet-Pittsburgh Hearts 2) cEVIN KEY-The Dragon Experience 3) The Locust-Plague Soundscapes 4) Kid 606 - Kill Sound Before Sound Kills You 5) Melvins - 26 Songs > > 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they > rate? i didn't get out to that many shows this year, but the ones i did see were pretty awesome. Isis and Rye Coalition was a blast. Enon were really, really cool, as always. Dillinger Escape Plan fucked shit up and did a sweet cover of Wish by NIN to boot, Grand Buffet kicked all ass-especially for 2 guys rapping along with a CDR. > > 12) Worst music you heard all year: God, where do i begin? i don't really want to give preferential treatment to any one band cuz it was just SUCH a year of bullshit. > > 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is > a big fan of Tool (hardcore Tool fans are some of the stupidest people to walk the earth), I > lose all interest in talking to them (note: your > answer need not be > restricted to music) > > 14) Band(s) most in need of > reforming/touring/releasing new material: i'd say the collective members of Mr. Bungle need to get their shit together and put out something new. Particularily Mike Patton who, with the exception of the Dillinger Escape Plan EP he did, hasn't done one worthwhile thing since the release of the LAST Mr. Bungle album. > > 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and > calling it a day: That abortion that Metallica put out this year really speaks volumes. How the mighty have fallen (but they've been falling since Justice, so why should it be any suprise?) > > 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and > re-release deluxe stylee: I still maintain that Revelations could use a kick in the ass. It's some of the best music in the world somewhat marred by weak production. Some people love it that way, that's cool. i also think that something needs to be done with Syd Barrett-era Pink Floyd, and on a really grand scale too. A boxset of some sorts. Empty the vaults, blow your wad. > > 17) Most overrated music of the year: The Mars Volta, The White Stripes, The (insert band name here) > > 18) Most underrated music of the year: obviously the new Killing Joke. Also Melt Banana, Boom Bip, Edan. I don't know. > > 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite > bands/artists are: Skinny Puppy, Melvins, Aphex Twin, Mr. Bungle, Grand Buffet > > 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on > the Internet Their "official" site is pathetic (big suprise), all the fan sites are incredible. Basically, it gives a chance for the hardcore fans to give something back and help spread the word. I think it's helped them a lot, as well as helped us get at some stuff we wouldn't be privy to under any other circumstances. > > 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the > rumormongering, I'd really like the > following to happen: Another album would be great, as well as another tour. Some more rarities releases would kick ass. I don't expect much more than that and probably less. > > 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If > so, briefly explain > your reaction No, the closest they came was about 5 hours from here and i just couldn't work it, which is really lame of me and pisses me off. > > 24) What would you have rather seen on the album > cover, other than the red > Krusty Clown? Just the classic touch of Mike Coles. Can't go wrong. The cover they went with is such a fucking piece of "product", i wouldn't blame anyone for passing it up. > > 25) Favorite track on the new album: Blood On Your Hands, Seeing Red, Total Invasion > > 26) Least favorite track on the new album: The Death and Resurrection Show, Dark Forces > > 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first > single, it would have been: Seeing Red > > 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" > as yet? Your thoughts? didn't see it. > > 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see > produce the next Killing > Joke record? maybe Billy Anderson? make it a really sludgey affair. > > 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world > today: Unspeakable, maybe? partly because of the lyrics, but more because of the feeling and sound of the song. > > 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage > yet? If not, WHAT THE > FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? i haven't cuz i generally don't wear band t-shirts, although i do think they're gorgeous. > > 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike > Coles estimable site? CDs and videos. > > 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see > this man in the White > House: King Buzzo > > 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has > been apprehended? not any more or less safe. It's not like killing Darth Vader and the whole dark side crumbles and the ewoks dance and sing. 10 more will take his place. > > 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam > this way: i don't know, just throw him in some jailcell in nowheresville, Ohio. Let the dogs have at him. > > 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Near the bottom of the left page, just to the right of Waldo. > > 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of > Islamists on the > homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Of course. > > 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? i got a bunker and 100 cans of Chef Boy R Dee. > > 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the > events of September 11, > 2001? maybe something, but maybe nothing. > > 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? i came to work, one of the departments was striking and wouldn't let anyone upstairs (dicks) so i was in the foodcourt where there happen to be 2 TVs set up and i watched everything happen on CNN. I went home shortly after and watched the news all day in disbelief. > > 41) Were you the next American president, your first > act in office would be: turn both keys. > > 42) Tony Blair is a: British person. > > 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's > face on the American Dime > with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your > reaction: i wouldn't give a shit if Mr T. was on the dime (actually, that would kick ass, come to think of it). > > 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. > Explain your feeling why you > feel this way. Support your argument: no thanks. > > 45) Under which American administration was the > world/your own situation > better off: Bush's or Clinton's? Clinton's, I GUESS, but it's neither here nor there, really. > > ::::END:::: > ===== http://www.daiquiri.tvheaven.com http://www.tweek.tvheaven.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 22:00:08 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (ade) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:00:08 -0000 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00d101c3c5b2$4deb4260$0200a8c0@thelab.local> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C3C5B2.4DEB4260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03Saliva? Why can't these bands be a little honest & just call themselves something like 'Shit', or 'Fucking Crap'. You get the idea. -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of Jester Sent: 18 December 2003 21:56 To: Gathering Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 I feel the same way about Saliva as well...but those tossers keep on too...and yup, my wife plays some of that shit just to further torment me, no doubt. Damn the youth of America to hell! On 12/18/03 3:48 PM, "ade" wrote: How long can those pointless tossers continue? One (s)hit wonder no doubt... that's my fucking hope anyway. -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of bluce ree Sent: 18 December 2003 20:36 To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 yeah, I wasn't convinced by them for a second. I just hope KJ dont follow suit with the typical 3rd single has to be a ballad formula! Jester wrote: Ok, now I feel better. From what I have seen and heard from people round here, I was beginning to think I was the only one who saw through their façade. On 12/18/03 2:03 PM, "bluce ree" wrote: what i dont get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth metallers with a whimpy chick singer can get to number 1. Will E Scheipers wrote: Have you ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs all have open cords as the verse for every song? I don't get it either..... From, Will 17) Most overrated music of the year: My wife has been listening to Evanesance or something like that, a lot. I just don't get it... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" ------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C3C5B2.4DEB4260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
Saliva? Why can't these bands be a little honest & just = call=20 themselves something like 'Shit', or 'Fucking Crap'. You get the=20 idea.
-----Original Message-----
From: = gathering-admin@misera.net=20 [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of = Jester
Sent:=20 18 December 2003 21:56
To: Gathering
Subject: Re: = [kj]=20 YEAR END POLL FOR `03

I feel the same way about Saliva as = well...but those=20 tossers keep on too...and yup, my wife plays some of that shit just to = further=20 torment me, no doubt. Damn the youth of America to hell!

On = 12/18/03=20 3:48 PM, "ade" <ade@the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> = wrote:
How long can those pointless tossers continue? One = (s)hit wonder=20 no doubt... that's my fucking hope anyway.

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 gathering-admin@misera.net  [mailto:gathering-admin@misera= .net]On=20 Behalf Of bluce  ree
Sent: 18 December 2003=20 20:36
To:  gathering@misera.net
Subject: = Re: [kj]=20 YEAR END POLL FOR  `03

 
yeah, I wasn't = convinced by=20 them for a second.  I just hope KJ dont  follow suit = with the=20 typical 3rd single has to be a ballad =  formula!

Jester=20 <webmaster@killing-joke.com> wrote: =  
Ok, now I=20 feel better. From what  I have seen and heard from people = round=20 here, I was beginning to think I was  the only one who saw = through=20 their fa=E7ade.

On 12/18/03 2:03 PM,  "bluce ree"=20 <bluceree2003@yahoo.co.uk> = wrote:

 
what i=20 dont  get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth metallers = with a=20 whimpy chick  singer can get to number 1.=20  

Will E Scheipers=20  <wscheip1@juno.com> wrote:=20
 
Have=20 you  ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs = all=20 have open cords  as the verse for every song? I don't = get it=20 =  either.....
 
From,
Will
 


17)=20 Most  overrated music of the year:

My wife has = been=20 listening to  Evanesance or something like that, a lot. = I just=20 don't get=20  it...



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------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C3C5B2.4DEB4260-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 22:01:32 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:01:32 -0600 Subject: [kj] my tuppence worth In-Reply-To: <002f01c3c5b1$7d8187b0$5ffea8c0@SACHA> Message-ID: No one mentioned Willie, Old 97's, CoE, and ZZ... Guess I will... On 12/18/03 3:54 PM, "Christophe Barry" wrote: > Texas also gave SRV , Fabulous thunderbirds, and Rev Ho' > (and couple of chips for those that take care) > cb > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Smith" > To: ; "Gathering" > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 12:24 AM > Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth > > >> >> My wife's parents now live in Houston. The first time we went and visited >> them in 1999, I expected armadillos and cacti and ten gallon hats and > cowboy >> boots and butes (sp?) and desert. I didn't see *ONE* of those things. The >> part of Texas Houston's in is entirely flat, very green, littered with > strip >> malls and freeway clovers. We might as well have been in Ohio. Oh, and > it's >> dead boring. >> >> Texas is a *HUGE* state, and counts all types of climate, sensibility and >> culture in its favor. Trying to sum up Texas in one fell swoop is an >> exercise in futility. Yes, Texas did blight the world with George W. >> Bush,.....but let's remember, Texas also blessed the world with the > Butthole >> Surfers. >> >> Alex >> in >> NYC >> >> >> >> ---------- >>> From: Jester >>> To: Gathering >>> Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth >>> Date: Wed, Dec 17, 2003, 6:11 PM >>> >> >>> On 12/17/03 2:43 AM, "xps1@quick.cz" wrote: >>> >>>> true, myself I have seen "Dallas" twice on the TV... difficult life in > Texas >>>> isnt it? >>> >>> We all own oil wells. >>> >>> We all live on a ranch and wear "ten gallon hats" >>> >>> We really do ride horses to work. >>> >>> We listen to both kinds of music. Country and western >>> >>> JR really does exist >>> >>> Things in Texas really are bigger. Just ask your mom, sister and girl >>> friend. >>> >>> :-D >>> >>> KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! >>> OCCISIO LOCATIO >>> >>> THE WEBMASTER, >>> JESTER >>> WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM >>> WWW.PARALLAX1.COM >>> >>> There is no place like 127.0.0.1 >>> >>> "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or >>> Gates?" >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gathering mailing list >>> Gathering@misera.net >>> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >> _______________________________________________ >> Gathering mailing list >> Gathering@misera.net >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 22:03:03 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jiri) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:03:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: <200312181816.hBIIGwOf006595@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20031218220303.56476.qmail@web80505.mail.yahoo.com> And a happy year-end to all...more Joke in '04. 1) Your Name: Dominik, but you can call me Jiri. Or Dominik. Or JS. Or Jan (sounds like “Yon,” but then that gets back to the whole unpronounceable source of why I got so many damn names 2) Your Age: 25, but not still fresh. 3) Are you married and have you any children? No, nein, ne. 4) I live here: Missouri 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: Feb. 2003, with occasional lurking by proxy in the mid ‘90s. (I had no good e-mail, but a friend did). 6) What do you want for X-mas? I already got a clock that turns backwards…perhaps many signposts leading to the same place? Would those fit under the tree? 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? Either seeing KJ in three cities, or giving Mr. Colesy my credit card several times. Or getting engaged. 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? A KJ U.S. tour, a continued Bush collapse, another trip to Praha. 9) What was the last album you bought, why, and how is it?: Killing Joke (2003). Because I waited 7 years for it. You know, I may be shot for this, but I think it was really quite fucking great. 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? The Unperverted Pantomime?, then. I don’t listen to anything else. No, really, I don’t. I did get the latest Radiohead but I don’t remember what it’s called. 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Killing Joke (of course) and Radiohead…who were actually pretty good, though not very showy. 12) Worst music you heard all year: That one day I tried FM radio again. Whew! Glad that’s over! 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of _a narrow, good vs. evil view of world affairs_, I lose all interest in talking to them. Nothing personal, you just don’ 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: Well, Joy Division, but Ian kind of muffed the chances of that. 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: U2, Aerosmith, boy bands, the others. 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: Democracy, Democracy, Democracy. 17) Most overrated music of the year: I haven’t paid attention. 18) Most underrated music of the year: KJ, but I’m a bit biased, don’t you think? 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: Joy Division, Underworld, Phish, Radiohead 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet: Much, much better than their presence anywhere else (except live)! Thank you Madani, Mik, Jester Joe, Rob’s Arse, Ade, Andy M., Antoni, Bob “wintergardens” B., Martin Dupras (R.I.Absentia), Paul (also R.I.A., it seems), and everyone else. You’ve provided hope amid a cold landscape. If I had the tech wherewithal/knowledge, I’d try to contribute, too. Someday… 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: A three-day KJ set, spanning all eras, recorded on video as well as audio. I’ll put up my mortgage, honest I will. 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction: Audio ejaculation. First time ever. Thrice in three nights. I still go home and blast a live version of Communion every night, because it recaptures a feeling of unbelievably vivid, ecstatic anticipation and glee. I waited way too long for this. 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? Something like WTF…!, or else: http://www.studio-c.co.uk/skylitezone/weird/w0008.html 25) Favorite track on the new album: Blood on Your Hands 26) Least favorite track on the new album: Asteroid 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: Seeing Red 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? Nope, thus none. 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? Not Youth! 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: “Butcher” 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Too much. Malicious tickery tockery, a Pandy shirt, a Laugh at Your Peril shirt, a Red Mist shirt, a Popey poster, a Wardance poster, a WTF! poster, a NWOBFG print, Democracy print…this is pretty sad, I know. 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? A function that says, “Sorry, but your order has been rejected so you can put food back on your fiance’s table.” Or else a window sticker. 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: Kerry would be the least likely to totally fuck up. 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: Let the Iraqis try him, let them string him up by his nuts if they want. It’s their country, it was their suffering, it’s their culture. 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Masturbating to German porn flicks in western Pakistan. 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Nope, they’re a modern-day mafia with a different agenda. 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? If it kills me, yes; if I survive it, then no. 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? Hardly. But what is “Iraq,” anyway? 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? Talking to a reporter on the phone from New York, pitching a frivolous story, when news of something very frightening trickled in. Very awkward, very disheartening. 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: Find a better intern to have a ride with, and try to refamiliarize arrogant America with the word “diplomacy.” 42) Tony Blair is a: _gullible little boy_. 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: This epitomized how deranged that sect of Republicans is. They already gave him the airport. They like their oblivious presidents, don’t they? 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: True. So it's not entirely his fault, but also his influencers. Alas, the evidence is too long and plentiful to explain in this already long chain. See truthout.org for details. 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? Does the rest of the world exist under Bush's? I hadn't heard...I thought they were just our bitches to toy with. Seriously, Clinton’s, clearly, but not all thanks to him. Nonetheless, bumbling with good intentions is better than intentionally trying to fuck me and everything/everyone I hold dear. From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 22:09:48 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (dub) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:09:48 -0000 Subject: [KJ] intro/ps/poll/christmas beatings Message-ID: <006501c3c5b3$aa0bbe20$763e869f@LocalHost> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C3C5B3.AA0D44C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, Just want to come in from the cold to make a few points. First up Rudy, and welcome to EGO wars the game for all the family, otherwise known as The Gathering a list for all things Killing Joke. Enjoy it man, for as, has been said, there are a few gems of information here from time to time. I too am in total agreement to a point raised earlier, we get enough of this shit from the media and important as it is, we (as humans at the very least) should make a stand against tyranny of any kind and war, but I for one would be happy if it was off list and the list was to only have a test message once a month, than to have this so called thread carry on (and not helped in anyway by a server fart, which meant I got all mails 4 fecking times!), perhaps we can only hope for a cessation of hostilities for the coming celebrations/holiday/or whatever the PC term for Christmas is these days, and I mean that for both the occupied/liberated war torn Iraq and The Gathering. I have found in recent times the [OFF LIST] feature most helpful, you can actually mail another leave a message and the whole world need not know what you think, whether it be right wrong or just stupid. Anyway I move on, yeah Alex in NYC, a poll, cool idea, I do remember a previous one in which favourite albums was the topic and interesting results there were (is that still out there somewhere by the way?), and a new one would be cool. Would be willing to help collate or whatever if help be needed, just ask. And finally I'll take the opportunity to thank everyone over the past couple of months for adding to what has been for me an unforgettable year, both good and bad, but above all memorable if for only one thing, KILLING JOKE got back together made an album and toured the fucking world! Still cannot quiet believe it, but happen it did and fantastic it was. So I wish each and every one of you a merry puddin' eating time (mine starts Sunday with Solstice) and a peaceful and above all JOKE filled 2004. Bring it on! dub OK, back to my corner of Lurkdom for awhile, I do hope I have not offended any one and no offence was intended. http://www.bilderberg.org/ Interesting read for anyone interested :o) ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C3C5B3.AA0D44C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hello=20 all,
Just = want to come in=20 from the cold to make a few points.
 
First = up Rudy, and=20 welcome to EGO wars the game for all the family, otherwise known as The=20 Gathering a list for all things Killing Joke. Enjoy it man, for as, has = been=20 said, there are a few gems of information here from time to=20 time.
 
I too = am in total=20 agreement to a point raised earlier, we get enough of this shit from the = media=20 and important as it is, we (as humans at the very least) should make a = stand=20 against tyranny of any kind and war, but I for one would be happy if it = was off=20 list and the list was to only have a test message once a month, than to = have=20 this so called thread carry on (and not helped in anyway by a server = fart, which=20 meant I got all mails 4 fecking times!), perhaps we can only hope = for a=20 cessation of hostilities for the coming celebrations/holiday/or whatever = the PC=20 term for Christmas is these days, and I mean that for both the=20 occupied/liberated war torn Iraq and The Gathering. I have found in = recent times the [OFF LIST] feature most helpful, you can actually = mail=20 another leave a message and the whole world need not know what you = think,=20 whether it be right wrong or just stupid.
 
Anyway = I move on,=20 yeah Alex in NYC, a poll, cool idea, I do remember a previous one in = which=20 favourite albums was the topic and interesting results there were (is = that still=20 out there somewhere by the way?), and a new one would be cool. Would be = willing=20 to help collate or whatever if help be needed, just = ask.
 
And = finally I'll=20 take the opportunity to thank everyone over the past couple of months = for adding=20 to what has been for me an unforgettable year, both good and bad, but = above all=20 memorable if for only one thing, KILLING JOKE got back together made an = album=20 and toured the fucking world! Still cannot quiet believe it, but happen = it did=20 and fantastic it was. So I wish each and every one of you a merry = puddin' eating=20 time (mine starts Sunday with Solstice) and a peaceful and above = all JOKE=20 filled 2004.
 
Bring = it=20 on!
 
dub
 
 
OK, = back to my=20 corner of Lurkdom for awhile, I do hope I have not offended any one and = no=20 offence was intended.
 
 
 
http://www.bilderberg.org/ I= nteresting=20 read for anyone interested :o)
 
------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C3C5B3.AA0D44C0-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 22:12:00 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:12:00 -0600 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: <00d101c3c5b2$4deb4260$0200a8c0@thelab.local> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154608721_5831692 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I agree, and I do recognize the fact that you need things that suck to have things that kick ass. But do they have to suck to the very depths of THIS endless abyss? I think not. Yet, people buy into it. I just sit back, shake my head and think, I just don=B9t fucking get what is good about this. Take eversuckage for instance. Lack of real vision aside, the girl has a fucking horrible voice. They are billed as her being a pleasure to listen to, but that tone def road whore is worse off than Edie Brickell. On 12/18/03 4:00 PM, "ade" wrote: > Saliva? Why can't these bands be a little honest & just call themselves > something like 'Shit', or 'Fucking Crap'. You get the idea. >> =20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On >> Behalf Of Jester >> Sent: 18 December 2003 21:56 >> To: Gathering >> Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 >>=20 >> I feel the same way about Saliva as well...but those tossers keep on >> too...and yup, my wife plays some of that shit just to further torment = me, >> no doubt. Damn the youth of America to hell! >>=20 >> On 12/18/03 3:48 PM, "ade" wrote: >>=20 >> =20 >>> How long can those pointless tossers continue? One (s)hit wonder no >>> doubt... that's my fucking hope anyway. >>> =20 >>>>=20 >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]= On >>>> Behalf Of bluce ree >>>> Sent: 18 December 2003 20:36 >>>> To: gathering@misera.net >>>> Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 >>>>=20 >>>> =20 >>>> yeah, I wasn't convinced by them for a second. I just hope KJ dont >>>> follow suit with the typical 3rd single has to be a ballad formula! >>>>=20 >>>> Jester wrote: >>>> =20 >>>>> Ok, now I feel better. From what I have seen and heard from people = round >>>>> here, I was beginning to think I was the only one who saw through t= heir >>>>> fa=E7ade. >>>>>=20 >>>>> On 12/18/03 2:03 PM, "bluce ree" wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> =20 >>>>>> what i dont get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth metallers with= a >>>>>> whimpy chick singer can get to number 1. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Will E Scheipers wrote: >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> Have you ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs all = have >>>>>>> open cords as the verse for every song? I don't get it either...= .. >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> From, >>>>>>> Will >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> 17) Most overrated music of the year: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> My wife has been listening to Evanesance or something like that, = a >>>>>>> lot. I just don't get it... >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! >>>>> OCCISIO LOCATIO >>>>>=20 >>>>> THE WEBMASTER, >>>>> JESTER =20 >>>>> WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM >>>>> WWW.PARALLAX1.COM >>>>>=20 >>>>> There is no place like 127.0.0.1 >>>>>=20 >>>>> "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Window= s or >>>>> Gates?" >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> =20 >>>> =20 >>>>=20 >>>> Yahoo! Messenger >>>> >>> om> - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download >>>> Messenger Now=20 >>>> >>> om/download/index.html> >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! >> OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 >>=20 >> THE WEBMASTER,=20 >> JESTER =20 >> WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM >> WWW.PARALLAX1.COM >>=20 >> There is no place like 127.0.0.1 >>=20 >> "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or >> Gates?" >=20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154608721_5831692 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 I agree, and I do recog= nize the fact that you need things that suck to have things that kick ass. B= ut do they have to suck to the very depths of THIS endless abyss? I think no= t. Yet, people buy into it. I just sit back, shake my head and think, I just= don’t fucking get what is good about this.

Take eversuckage for instance. Lack of real vision aside, the girl has a fu= cking horrible voice. They are billed as her being a pleasure to listen to, = but that tone def road whore is worse off than Edie Brickell.



On 12/18/03 4:00 PM, "ade" <ade@the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote= :

Saliva? Why can't these bands be a little honest &= ; just call themselves something like 'Shit', or 'Fucking Crap'. You get the= idea.

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-admin@misera.net  [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of J= ester
Sent:  18 December 2003 21:56
To: Gathering
Subject: Re: [kj]  YEAR END POLL FOR `03

I feel the same way about Saliva as well...but those  tossers keep on = too...and yup, my wife plays some of that shit just to further  torment= me, no doubt. Damn the youth of America to hell!

On 12/18/03  3:48 PM, "ade" <ade@the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>= wrote:

 
How long can those pointless tossers continue? One (s= )hit wonder  no doubt... that's my fucking hope anyway.

-----Original Message-----
From:  gathering-admin@misera.net  [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On  Beh= alf Of bluce  ree
Sent: 18 December 2003  20:36
To:  gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj]  YEAR END POLL FOR  `03

 
yeah, I wasn't convinced by  them for a second.  I just hope KJ d= ont  follow suit with the  typical 3rd single has to be a ballad &= nbsp;formula!

Jester  <webmaster@killing-joke.com> wrote:  =
 
Ok, now I  feel better. From what  I have seen and heard from p= eople round  here, I was beginning to think I was  the only one wh= o saw through  their façade.

On 12/18/03 2:03 PM,  "bluce ree"  <bluceree2003@yah= oo.co.uk> wrote:

 
 
what i  dont  get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth metallers= with a  whimpy chick  singer can get to number 1.   
Will E Scheipers   <wscheip1@juno.com> wrote:=  
 
 
Have  you  ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs a= ll  have open cords  as the verse for every song? I don't get it &= nbsp; either.....
 
From,
Will
 


17)  Most  overrated music of the year:

My wife has been  listening to  Evanesance or something like that= , a lot. I just  don't get   it...



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"In a world without walls or fences, what use do  we have  f= or Windows or  Gates?"


 
 
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There is no place like  127.0.0.1

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KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
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WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place = like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3154608721_5831692-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 22:12:30 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (dub) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:12:30 -0000 Subject: [KJ] intro/ps/poll/christmas beatings Message-ID: <006c01c3c5b4$0802c410$763e869f@LocalHost> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C3C5B4.0802C410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fuck and bollocks, note to self, READ MAIL before replying, sorry folks, I am up to speed now. This internet thing come in colour yet? dub ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C3C5B4.0802C410 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Fuck = and bollocks,=20 note to self, READ MAIL before replying, sorry folks, I am up to speed=20 now.
This = internet thing=20 come in colour yet?
 
dub
------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C3C5B4.0802C410-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 22:15:21 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:15:21 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT::Wish me luck Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154608922_5839158 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable The gates of hell hath opened, and now I must go out to the real world, and brave the hordes of ass holes to wrap up holiday shopping. People have all lost their fucking minds, and t=B9is all I can do to keep control and not go =B3Charles Witman=B2 here. This is my nightmare... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154608922_5839158 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable OT::Wish me luck The gates of hell hath = opened, and now I must go out to the real world, and brave the hordes of ass= holes to wrap up holiday shopping. People have all lost their fucking minds= , and t’is all I can do to keep control and not go “Charles Witm= an” here.

This is my nightmare...

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OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
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WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place = like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3154608922_5839158-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 22:20:02 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Christophe Barry) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:20:02 +0100 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 References: <200312181816.hBIIGwOf006595@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <007e01c3c5b5$14e5e8f0$5ffea8c0@SACHA> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C3C5BD.76594AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `031) Your Name: Christophe Barry 2) Your Age: 38 3) Are you married and have you any children?=20 married - 2kids Bianca 6 & Diego 3 4) I live here: Lyon France - World's capital of Wine&Food 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: 1998 6) What do you want for X-mas? Can't say it - to many girls on line 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? 3 days in london to see a boyz band 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? 4 dayz in scotland 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: FishBone bestOf - better than the vynil edition 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five = favorite releases of the year? to personnal 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? no ! 12) Worst music you heard all year: all the french shit 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of = ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need = not be restricted to music) Boy George , (-> Kirk's ennemy) 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: BAUHAUS or PIXIES ? but who cares ? 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: too many 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: FIRE DANCES =E9 RVELATIONS 17) Most overrated music of the year: guess who ? 18) Most underrated music of the year: EuroVision 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: Django Reignhart 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet less than nothing 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like = the following to happen: Play 'SUN GOES DOWN' for me and my gathering friends 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain = your reaction as I already said, touched the idol, obviously human, dream's over. 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the = red Krusty Clown? colesy's pix 25) Favorite track on the new album: Total Invasion 26) Least favorite track on the new album: ? 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have = been: Cf 26 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your = thoughts? In France ? reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllly ? 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next = Killing Joke record? Chris Blackwell ... maybe Robbie S and Sly D. 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Sun Goes Down (Thaugt it's been clear enough) 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE = FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Couple of T-Shirts 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? The revelation logo on a Shirt, Black Shirt whith jester 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White = House: Am I a good judge Alex ? 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? GWB is still free... and free for nuke 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: trail, regular in 'la hague' with Carla Da ponte, and all Western = politics as witness, since 1975, including everyone, no hypocrits at = all. They'll make him commit suicide. 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Pakistan, obviously. 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the = homefront (US/UK/EUR)? 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September = 11, 2001? 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would = be: 42) Tony Blair is a: _________. 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American = Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why = you feel this way. Support your argument: 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation = better off: Bush's or Clinton's? ::::END:::: ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C3C5BD.76594AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
1) Your Name:
Christophe = Barry
2) Your=20 Age:
38
3) Are you married and = have you any=20 children?
married - 2kids Bianca 6 & = Diego=20 3
4) I live here:
Lyon France=20 - World's capital of Wine&Food
5) I've been a member = of the=20 Gathering since:
1998
6) What = do you want=20 for X-mas?
Can't say it - to many girls = on=20 line
7) Your biggest extravagance of the year?
 3 days in london to see a boyz band
8) Your = biggest hopes=20 for 2004?
4 dayz in scotland
9) = What was=20 the last album you bought,why, and how is it?:
FishBone bestOf - better than the vynil edition
10) = Not=20 including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite = releases=20 of the year?
to personnal
11) = What live=20 bands have you seen recently. Did they rate?
no=20 !
12) Worst music you heard all year:
all=20 the french shit
13) If I find out that the person I'm talking = to is a=20 big fan of ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your = answer=20 need not be restricted to music)
Boy = George , =20 (-> Kirk's ennemy)
14) Band(s) most in need of=20 reforming/touring/releasing new material:
BAUHAUS or=20 PIXIES ? but who cares ?
15) Band(s) most in need of hanging = it up and=20 calling it a day:
too many
16) = Albums most=20 in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee:
FIRE DANCES =E9 RVELATIONS
17) Most overrated music = of the=20 year:
guess who ?
18) Most = underrated music=20 of the year:
EuroVision
19) = Next to Killing=20 Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are:
Django=20 Reignhart
20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on = the=20 Internet
less than nothing
22) = Regarding=20 the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following = to=20 happen:
Play 'SUN GOES DOWN' for me and = my gathering=20 friends
23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If = so,=20 briefly explain your reaction
as I = already said,=20 touched the idol, obviously human, dream's over.
24) What = would you=20 have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty = Clown?
colesy's pix
25) Favorite track on the = new=20 album:
Total Invasion
26) Least = favorite=20 track on the new album:
 ?
27) Were it=20 up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been:
Cf 26
28) Have you managed to see "the = Year of the=20 Devil" as yet? Your thoughts?
In France ? = reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllly ?
29) Outside of Andy Gill, = who=20 would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record?
Chris Blackwell ... maybe Robbie S and Sly D.
30) = Killing Joke=20 track that best sums up the world today:
Sun Goes=20 Down (Thaugt it's been clear enough)
31) Have you bought = anything from=20 Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING = FOR?
Couple of T-Shirts
32) Goods you'd like = to see made=20 available on Mike Coles estimable site?
The=20 revelation logo on a Shirt, Black Shirt whith jester
33) = Following the=20 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House:
Am I a good judge Alex ?
34) Do you feel 'safer' now = that=20 Saddam Hussein has been apprehended?
GWB = is still=20 free... and free for nuke
35) Now that he's in custody, I = would handle=20 Saddam this way:
trail, regular in 'la = hague' with=20 Carla Da ponte, and all Western politics as witness, since 1975, = including=20 everyone, no hypocrits at all.
They'll make him commit = suicide.
36)=20 Where is Osama Bin Laden:
Pakistan, obviously.
 
 
 
 


37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of = Islamists on the=20 homefront (US/UK/EUR)?

38) Do you feel prepared for another such=20 instance?

39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the = events of=20 September 11, 2001?

40) Where were you/what were you doing on = that=20 day?

41) Were you the next American president, your first act in = office=20 would be:

42) Tony Blair is a: _________.

43) They want = replace=20 Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of = Ronald=20 Reagan. What is your reaction:

44) George W. Bush is an idiot: = True or=20 False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your=20 argument:

45) Under which American administration was the = world/your own=20 situation better off: Bush's or=20 Clinton's?

::::END::::
------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C3C5BD.76594AC0-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 22:25:14 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (ade) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:25:14 -0000 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00e001c3c5b5$cf3c64e0$0200a8c0@thelab.local> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01C3C5B5.CF3C64E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03Why do they get the 'goff' tag too? Unimaginitive music-industry antics, that's why. Shit band, shit singers - SHIT!!! I understand that teens may not know a thing about GOOD bands (weren't even born then, etc, etc) & that's not their fault, but sometimes I despair... all we can do is spread the word on good bands. To be fair, that's just MY opinion. After all, I'm a Throbbing Gristle fan ;) -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of Jester Sent: 18 December 2003 22:12 To: Gathering Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 I agree, and I do recognize the fact that you need things that suck to have things that kick ass. But do they have to suck to the very depths of THIS endless abyss? I think not. Yet, people buy into it. I just sit back, shake my head and think, I just don’t fucking get what is good about this. Take eversuckage for instance. Lack of real vision aside, the girl has a fucking horrible voice. They are billed as her being a pleasure to listen to, but that tone def road whore is worse off than Edie Brickell. On 12/18/03 4:00 PM, "ade" wrote: Saliva? Why can't these bands be a little honest & just call themselves something like 'Shit', or 'Fucking Crap'. You get the idea. -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of Jester Sent: 18 December 2003 21:56 To: Gathering Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 I feel the same way about Saliva as well...but those tossers keep on too...and yup, my wife plays some of that shit just to further torment me, no doubt. Damn the youth of America to hell! On 12/18/03 3:48 PM, "ade" wrote: How long can those pointless tossers continue? One (s)hit wonder no doubt... that's my fucking hope anyway. -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of bluce ree Sent: 18 December 2003 20:36 To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 yeah, I wasn't convinced by them for a second. I just hope KJ dont follow suit with the typical 3rd single has to be a ballad formula! Jester wrote: Ok, now I feel better. From what I have seen and heard from people round here, I was beginning to think I was the only one who saw through their façade. On 12/18/03 2:03 PM, "bluce ree" wrote: what i dont get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth metallers with a whimpy chick singer can get to number 1. Will E Scheipers wrote: Have you ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs all have open cords as the verse for every song? I don't get it either..... From, Will 17) Most overrated music of the year: My wife has been listening to Evanesance or something like that, a lot. I just don't get it... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" ------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01C3C5B5.CF3C64E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
Why do=20 they get the 'goff' tag too? Unimaginitive music-industry antics, that's = why.=20 Shit band, shit singers - SHIT!!! I understand that teens may not know a = thing=20 about GOOD bands (weren't even born then, etc, etc) & that's not = their=20 fault, but sometimes I despair... all we can do is spread the word on = good=20 bands.
 
To be=20 fair, that's just MY opinion. After all, I'm a Throbbing Gristle = fan=20 ;)
-----Original Message-----
From: = gathering-admin@misera.net=20 [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of = Jester
Sent:=20 18 December 2003 22:12
To: Gathering
Subject: Re: = [kj]=20 YEAR END POLL FOR `03

I agree, and I do recognize the fact that = you need=20 things that suck to have things that kick ass. But do they have to = suck to the=20 very depths of THIS endless abyss? I think not. Yet, people buy into = it. I=20 just sit back, shake my head and think, I just don't fucking get what = is good=20 about this.

Take eversuckage for instance. Lack of real vision = aside,=20 the girl has a fucking horrible voice. They are billed as her being a = pleasure=20 to listen to, but that tone def road whore is worse off than Edie=20 Brickell.



On 12/18/03 4:00 PM, "ade"=20 <ade@the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
Saliva? Why can't these bands be a little honest & = just call=20 themselves something like 'Shit', or 'Fucking Crap'. You get the=20 idea.

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 gathering-admin@misera.net  [mailto:gathering-admin@misera= .net]On=20 Behalf Of Jester
Sent:  18 December 2003=20 21:56
To: Gathering
Subject: Re: [kj] =  YEAR END=20 POLL FOR `03

I feel the same way about Saliva as well...but = those=20  tossers keep on too...and yup, my wife plays some of that = shit just=20 to further  torment me, no doubt. Damn the youth of America = to=20 hell!

On 12/18/03  3:48 PM, "ade"=20 <ade@the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> = wrote:

 
How long can those pointless tossers continue? One = (s)hit=20 wonder  no doubt... that's my fucking hope=20 anyway.

-----Original Message-----
From:=20  gathering-admin@misera.net  [mailto:gathering-admin@misera= .net]On=20  Behalf Of bluce  ree
Sent: 18 = December 2003=20  20:36
To:=20  gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] =  YEAR END=20 POLL FOR  `03

 
yeah, I wasn't convinced = by=20  them for a second.  I just hope KJ dont =  follow suit=20 with the  typical 3rd single has to be a ballad=20  formula!

Jester=20  <webmaster@killing-joke.com> wrote:=20  
 
Ok, now=20 I  feel better. From what  I have seen and heard = from=20 people round  here, I was beginning to think I was =  the=20 only one who saw through  their fa=E7ade.

On = 12/18/03 2:03=20 PM,  "bluce ree"  <bluceree2003@yahoo.co.uk> = wrote:

 
 
what=20 i  dont  get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth = metallers with a  whimpy chick  singer can get = to number=20 1.   

Will E Scheipers=20   <wscheip1@juno.com> wrote:=20  
 
 
Have  you  ever noticed that = all of=20 evanescence's radio songs all  have open cords =  as the=20 verse for every song? I don't get it=20 =   either.....
 
From,
Will
 


1= 7)=20  Most  overrated music of the year:

My = wife has=20 been  listening to  Evanesance or something = like that,=20 a lot. I just  don't get=20 =   it...



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------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01C3C5B5.CF3C64E0-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 22:34:20 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:34:20 +0000 Subject: [kj] news Message-ID: --============_-1140335630==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Meanwhile The Raven is talking to the fabulously talented, charming, handsome (and modest) Headcount about producing a new long playing record, so that should keep him busy for a while. My people tell me they've been speaking to headcount's people and raven's people and they're hoping to organise some sort of collaboration with malicious damage re this long playing record. Also, I'm away until Sunday and won't be unsubscribing. SO I DON'T WANT A MILLION FUCKING EMAILS ABOUT JEWS & ARABS WHEN I GET BACK!!! I'll do the poll when I return AleXInNYC. cheers, colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk --============_-1140335630==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" news
Meanwhile The Raven is talking to the fabulously talented, charming, handsome (and modest) Headcount about producing a new long playing record, so that should keep him busy for a while.
My people tell me they've been speaking to headcount's people and raven's people and they're hoping to organise some sort of collaboration with malicious damage re this long playing record.

Also, I'm away until Sunday and won't be unsubscribing.
SO I DON'T WANT A MILLION FUCKING EMAILS ABOUT JEWS & ARABS WHEN I GET BACK!!!

I'll do the poll when I return AleXInNYC.

cheers,
colesy
--
Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk
... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk
--============_-1140335630==_ma============-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 22:57:18 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Ford Prefect) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:57:18 -0000 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 References: <200312181947.hBIJl9tu014467@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <000201c3c5ba$8a922b90$6a9d9351@sn7212787026> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3C5BA.4975C630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `033) Are you married and have you any = children? Married with a child on the way (April). having seen photo 16 on the Yahoo gathering site, hope it takes after = the mother hehe graham ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alex Smith=20 To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 I too, must answer.... 1) Your Name: Alex in NYC 2) Your Age: 36 as of last October. 3) Are you married and have you any children? Married with a = child on the way (April). 4) I live here: Manhattan, New York City. 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: 1998, or whenever I = bought my computer that is now sorely in need of an upgrade. 6) What do you want for X-mas? For Mik to share his lottery = winnings with me. Seriously, I can't really think of anything specific. = The Motorhead box set would be nice. 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? Well, I just bought a = print from photographer Allen Tannenbaum of Devo's Halloween 1981 = performance at Radio City Music Hall, because it was the first concert I = ever attended (I was 14), and that weren't cheap. I'm about to buy a new = computer, but I'll be able to write that off on my taxes as a work = expense. My biggest extravagance is invariably the baby, as the wife and = I are now working out that our financial situation is not what it should = be. 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? For my wife and new baby to be = happy and healthy, more Killing Joke activity, a new job, for my wife's = employers to be a bit more flexible with her designs to work part-time = and world peace. 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: THE = ROUGH GUIDE TO ASIAN UNDERGROUND, because I was hunting for the = instrumental, "Streets of Calcutta" by Ananda Shankar. The track itself = is amazing....sort've a mix of classic Bollywood multi-instrumentalism = and paisley underground powerpop. The rest of the compilation is sort've = all over the place, but interesting (though there's nothing as good as = the Shankar track). 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top = five favorite releases of the year?=20 1. FEAST OF WIRE by Calexico 2. THE MAN ON THE BURNING TIGHTROPE by Firewater 3. ECHOES by the Rapture 4. ABSOLUTION by Muse 5. FEVER TO TELL by the Yeah Yeah Yeahs 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? I saw = Firewater a couple of weeks back, and they kicked a man-sized platter of = ass, as always. I saw Iron Maiden at the Garden several months back, = and they put on an energetic show as they're wont to do. I saw the White = Stripes in a relatively tiny club in Providence, RI and they sounded = positively *METAL*. I'm afraid I must echo the choirs of praise for that = band. Sorry, haterz. Oh, and I saw Killing Joke at Webster Hall, and = though the performance was brief, it was positively a religious = experience. 12) Worst music you heard all year: Some indie rock twerp named = Scout Niblett who apes the primitive/naive/spartan/childlike aesthetic = to mind-numbingly irritating degrees. Oh, nine-tenths of contemporary = hip hop. 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of = ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need = not be restricted to music): Jay-Z, Jesus, George W. Bush, 50 Cent, = Ronald Reagan, Dave Matthews, Li'l Kim, Tupac Shakur, R. Kelly, Michael = Jackson. 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new = material: Devo, Cocteau Twins, Cop $hoot Cop (they never will), The = Wedding Present, Hugh Cornwell back with the Stranglers. 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: Kiss = (and I loved them, but please, please, please stop!!!) 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe = stylee: Apart from the entirety of the Killing Joke catalog, I'd say the = debut album by Belfegore (never released on compact disc, fer = chrissakes) and HEADKICK FACSIMILE by Cop Shoot Cop. 17) Most overrated music of the year: 50 Cent. 18) Most underrated music of the year: Killing Joke (duh!) 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: = Firewater/Cop Shoot Cop, the Stranglers, Cocteau Twins, Julian Cope, = Skeleton Key. Loads more, by the way, like Buzzcocks, Motorhead, = Siouxsie & the Banshees, Devo, Iron Maiden, XTC, Echo & the Bunnymen, = Gang of Four, blah blah blah blah.... 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet: = Honestly? It's crap! Jester Joe's site is great, but he barely has the = money/resources to keep it as up to date as he'd like (and he does a = great job, btw!) The "official" site is a flash nightmare and so poorly = maintained that it's hardly worth bothering. AN IRRATIONAL DOMAIN is a = joy, as was the late LAST LAUGH site. But the fact that fan-run sites = have more to offer than the official site is a travesty. The `Net = could've been a much more effective place to market and promote the new = album. Another opportunity squandered by the whistleheads at Big Life. 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really = like the following to happen: I'd love to see that box set that Mike = was talking about, CHAOS FOR BREAKFAST, come to fruitiion. I'd love a = new E.P. and live album. A new studio album and ANOTHER TOUR. If the DVD = ever sees the light of day, please please please let it be compatible = NTSC and not just PAL. 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly = explain your reaction: It was truly a fantastic time, but I already = wrote a huge post about it, so no need to go over it again. It was = magik. 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than = the red Krusty Clown? On the front? A Coles design, of course. I'd = really like to see a Killing Joke 2003 Team Photo, complete with the = inclusion of Raven *AND* Youth, Grohl *AND* Parsons and Andy Gill in = there as well. Suitable for framing! 25) Favorite track on the new album: "Blood On Your Hands" 26) Least favorite track on the new album: "The House that Pain = Built" 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have = been: "Blood On Your Hands" 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your = thoughts? Madani was lovely enough to send me a VHS copy of it, and it's = actually really good. Jaz is a hilarious presence throughout. Hunt it = down! Well worth a viewing. 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next = Killing Joke record? I know you can't turn back the clock, but bring back Chris Kimsey. = And Mik -- you *CAN* hear the difference when Youth's at the helm. = Listen to how busily muddled both PANDE and DEMOC sound, fer chrissakes! = He is to Killing Joke what Phil Spector was to the Beatles' LET IT BE. = Strip off the filligree, I say. 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Hell, too = many to choose from: "Wardance", "Complications", "Total Invasion", = "Blood on Your Hands" etc. etc. etc. 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT = THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Shirts, badges, posters and a big clock = that confuses all who look at it. 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable = site? I'd still like to see a shirt with the cover artwork from the = "Eighties" single on it. Beyond that, bring forth CHAOS FOR = BREAKFAST!!!!! 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the = White House: I'm leaning towards John Kerry these days, or possibly Wes = Clark. But I'd rather see a fuckin' autistic orangutan in the White = House than Bush for another four years. 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been = apprehended? Not at all. 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: The = right thing would be either an international tribunal or let the Iraqi = people deal with him in their own way. 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Somewhere we don't expect. Laughing = his beard off. 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the = homefront (US/UK/EUR)? This is a stupid question, isn't it. Apologies. = Of course we haven't. 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? How can one be, = honestly? 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of = September 11, 2001? While I think Saddam probably giggled when it = happened, I doubt they had any hand in it. I have yet to see any = evidence that credibly confirms as much. 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? I had the day = off, and was on my way back from midtown with my wife. We exited the = subway station at Astor Place and saw an implausibly huge column of = smoke across the sky. It went from there. 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office = would be: Re-concentrate all intelligence back on the hunt for Bin = Laden and reduce our presence in Iraq, supplanting U.S. troops with UN = forces.=20 42) Tony Blair is a: _________. Bush's piss-boy, it seems. 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the = American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: = I'd save every dime I came acroos, not spend them and melt them all down = into a big, shiney hammer and use it to bludgeon former Reagan = speech-writer Peggy Noonan into bloody, lifeless submission. 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling = why you feel this way. Support your argument: True, True and thrice = True. Need proof? Turn on the news.=20 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own = situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? Inarguably Bill Clinton's. ::::END:::: ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3C5BA.4975C630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
3) Are you = married and have=20 you any children?    Married with a child on the = way=20 (April).
having seen photo 16 on the Yahoo = gathering=20 site, hope it takes after the mother hehe
 
graham
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alex=20 Smith
To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net
Sent: Thursday, December 18, = 2003 7:47=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL = FOR=20 `03


I too, must answer....


1) Your Name:   Alex in = NYC

2)=20 Your Age:    36 as of last October.

3) = Are you=20 married and have you any children?    Married = with a=20 child on the way (April).

4) I live here: =  Manhattan, New=20 York City.

5) I've been a member of the Gathering = since:=20  1998, or whenever I bought my computer that is now sorely in = need of=20 an upgrade.

6) What do you want for X-mas?  For = Mik to=20 share his lottery winnings with me. Seriously, I can't really think = of=20 anything specific. The Motorhead box set would be nice.

7) = Your=20 biggest extravagance of the year?  Well, I just bought a = print from=20 photographer Allen Tannenbaum of Devo's Halloween 1981 performance = at Radio=20 City Music Hall, because it was the first concert I ever attended (I = was=20 14), and that weren't cheap. I'm about to buy a new computer, but = I'll be=20 able to write that off on my taxes as a work expense. My biggest=20 extravagance is invariably the baby, as the wife and I are now = working out=20 that our financial situation is not what it should be.

8) = Your=20 biggest hopes for 2004?  For my wife and new baby to be = happy and=20 healthy, more Killing Joke activity, a new job, for my wife's = employers to=20 be a bit more flexible with her designs to work part-time and world=20 peace.

9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how = is=20 it?:  THE ROUGH GUIDE TO ASIAN UNDERGROUND, because I was = hunting=20 for the instrumental, "Streets of Calcutta" by Ananda Shankar. The = track=20 itself is amazing....sort've a mix of classic Bollywood=20 multi-instrumentalism and paisley underground powerpop. The rest of = the=20 compilation is sort've all over the place, but interesting (though = there's=20 nothing as good as the Shankar track).

10) Not including = the new=20 Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the = year?=20
1. FEAST OF WIRE by Calexico
2. THE MAN ON THE BURNING = TIGHTROPE=20 by Firewater
3. ECHOES by the Rapture
4. ABSOLUTION by = Muse
5.=20 FEVER TO TELL by the Yeah Yeah Yeahs

11) What live bands = have you=20 seen recently. Did they rate?  I saw Firewater a couple of = weeks=20 back, and they kicked a man-sized platter of ass, as always.  I = saw=20 Iron Maiden at the Garden several months back, and they put on an = energetic=20 show as they're wont to do. I saw the White Stripes in a relatively = tiny=20 club in Providence, RI and they sounded positively *METAL*. I'm = afraid I=20 must echo the choirs of praise for that band. Sorry, haterz. Oh, and = I saw=20 Killing Joke at Webster Hall, and though the performance was brief, = it was=20 positively a religious experience.

12) Worst music you = heard all=20 year:  Some indie rock twerp named Scout Niblett who apes = the=20 primitive/naive/spartan/childlike aesthetic to mind-numbingly = irritating=20 degrees. Oh, nine-tenths of contemporary hip hop.

13) If I = find=20 out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I lose = all=20 interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be = restricted to=20 music):  Jay-Z, Jesus, George W. Bush, 50 Cent, Ronald = Reagan, Dave=20 Matthews, Li'l Kim, Tupac Shakur, R. Kelly, Michael = Jackson.

14)=20 Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new = material: Devo,=20 Cocteau Twins, Cop $hoot Cop (they never will), The Wedding Present, = Hugh=20 Cornwell back with the Stranglers.

15) Band(s) most in = need of=20 hanging it up and calling it a day: Kiss (and I loved them, but = please,=20 please, please stop!!!)

16) Albums most in need of = re-mastering=20 and re-release deluxe stylee: Apart from the entirety of the = Killing=20 Joke catalog, I'd say the debut album by Belfegore (never released = on=20 compact disc, fer chrissakes) and HEADKICK FACSIMILE by Cop Shoot=20 Cop.

17) Most overrated music of the year:  50=20 Cent.

18) Most underrated music of the year: =  Killing=20 Joke (duh!)

19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite = bands/artists are:  Firewater/Cop Shoot Cop, the = Stranglers,=20 Cocteau Twins, Julian Cope, Skeleton Key. Loads more, by the way, = like=20 Buzzcocks, Motorhead, Siouxsie & the Banshees, Devo, Iron = Maiden, XTC,=20 Echo & the Bunnymen, Gang of Four, blah blah blah = blah....

20)=20 Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet: = Honestly?=20 It's crap! Jester Joe's site is great, but he barely has the = money/resources=20 to keep it as up to date as he'd like (and he does a great job, = btw!) The=20 "official" site is a flash nightmare and so poorly maintained that = it's=20 hardly worth bothering. AN IRRATIONAL DOMAIN is a joy, as was the = late LAST=20 LAUGH site. But the fact that fan-run sites have more to offer than = the=20 official site is a travesty. The `Net could've been a much more = effective=20 place to market and promote the new album. Another opportunity = squandered by=20 the whistleheads at Big Life.

22) Regarding the Joke, = despite all=20 the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: =  I'd=20 love to see that box set that Mike was talking about, CHAOS FOR = BREAKFAST,=20 come to fruitiion. I'd love a new E.P. and live album. A new studio = album=20 and ANOTHER TOUR. If the DVD ever sees the light of day, please = please=20 please let it be compatible NTSC and not just PAL.

23) Did = you get=20 to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your = reaction:=20 It was truly a fantastic time, but I already wrote a huge post = about it,=20 so no need to go over it again. It was magik.

24) What = would you=20 have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty = Clown?=20  On the front? A Coles design, of course. I'd really like to = see a=20 Killing Joke 2003 Team Photo, complete with the inclusion of Raven = *AND*=20 Youth, Grohl *AND* Parsons and Andy Gill in there as well. Suitable = for=20 framing!

25) Favorite track on the new album: "Blood = On Your=20 Hands"

26) Least favorite track on the new album: "The = House=20 that Pain Built"

27) Were it up to you to have chosen the = first=20 single, it would have been:  "Blood On Your = Hands"

28)=20 Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your=20 thoughts?
Madani was lovely enough to send me a VHS copy of = it, and=20 it's actually really good. Jaz is a hilarious presence throughout. = Hunt it=20 down! Well worth a viewing.


29) Outside of Andy Gill, = who=20 would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record?
I = know=20 you can't turn back the clock, but bring back Chris Kimsey. And Mik = -- you=20 *CAN* hear the difference when Youth's at the helm. Listen to how = busily=20 muddled both PANDE and DEMOC sound, fer chrissakes! He is to Killing = Joke=20 what Phil Spector was to the Beatles' LET IT BE. Strip off the = filligree, I=20 say.


30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the = world=20 today:  Hell, too many to choose from: "Wardance", = "Complications",=20 "Total Invasion", "Blood on Your Hands" etc. etc. etc.

31) = Have=20 you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK = ARE YOU=20 WAITING FOR?  Shirts, badges, posters and a big clock that = confuses=20 all who look at it.

32) Goods you'd like to see made = available on=20 Mike Coles estimable site?  I'd still like to see a shirt = with the=20 cover artwork from the "Eighties" single on it. Beyond that, bring = forth=20 CHAOS FOR BREAKFAST!!!!!

33) Following the 2004 Elections, = I'd=20 like to see this man in the White House:  I'm leaning = towards John=20 Kerry these days, or possibly Wes Clark. But I'd rather see a = fuckin'=20 autistic orangutan in the White House than Bush for another four=20 years.

34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has = been=20 apprehended? Not at all.

35) Now that he's in custody, = I would=20 handle Saddam this way:  The right thing would be either an = international tribunal or let the Iraqi people deal with him in = their own=20 way.

36) Where is Osama Bin Laden:  Somewhere we = don't=20 expect. Laughing his beard off.

37) Have we seen the last = of=20 terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? =  This=20 is a stupid question, isn't it. Apologies. Of course we=20 haven't.

38) Do you feel prepared for another such = instance?=20  How can one be, honestly?

39) Do you think Iraq = had=20 anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? =  While I=20 think Saddam probably giggled when it happened, I doubt they had any = hand in=20 it. I have yet to see any evidence that credibly confirms as=20 much.

40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day?=20  I had the day off, and was on my way back from midtown = with my=20 wife. We exited the subway station at Astor Place and saw an = implausibly=20 huge column of smoke across the sky. It went from = there.

41) Were=20 you the next American president, your first act in office would = be:=20  Re-concentrate all intelligence back on the hunt for Bin Laden = and=20 reduce our presence in Iraq, supplanting U.S. troops with UN forces. =

42) Tony Blair is a: _________.  Bush's = piss-boy, it=20 seems.

43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's = face on=20 the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your = reaction:=20  I'd save every dime I came acroos, not spend them and melt = them=20 all down into a big, shiney hammer and use it to bludgeon former = Reagan=20 speech-writer Peggy Noonan into bloody, lifeless = submission.

44)=20 George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why = you feel=20 this way. Support your argument:  True, True and thrice = True. Need=20 proof? Turn on the news.

45) Under which American = administration=20 was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or = Clinton's?=20  Inarguably Bill=20 Clinton's.

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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3C5BA.4975C630-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 23:02:35 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Christophe Barry) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:02:35 +0100 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 References: Message-ID: <008501c3c5bb$06dda0d0$5ffea8c0@SACHA> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01C3C5C3.684C20A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wall of woodoo ... with or without stanard ? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dirk Kingerske=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 7:33 PM Subject: RE: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 >=20 >=20 >1) Your Name:=20 >=20 Dirk (King Snake) >2) Your Age: =20 31 >=20 >3) Are you married and have you any children?=20 >=20 NO >4) I live here:=20 >=20 Aachen, Germany >5) I've been a member of the Gathering since:=20 >=20 end 98 (I think) >6) What do you want for X-mas?=20 >=20 an au pair >7) Your biggest extravagance of the year?=20 >=20 going to nyc for a kj gig >8) Your biggest hopes for 2004?=20 >=20 a second tour >9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?:=20 >=20 the best of the pogues, wanted to hear it, couldn't find it.... a bit = boring.... >10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five = >favorite releases of the year?=20 >=20 5, that would be a bit optimistic >11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate?=20 >=20 planlos, destruktiver hoersturz (both of them german punk rock) d.h. = was quite good... >12) Worst music you heard all year:=20 >=20 a listen quite a bit to the radio.... >13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of = ________, I=20 >lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be=20 >restricted to music)=20 >=20 harry potter (unless they are younger than 13, or female, or they buy = me a drink, or...) >14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: = >=20 wall of voodoo >15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day:=20 >=20 rolling stones >16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: = >=20 kj-backcatalogue >17) Most overrated music of the year:=20 >=20 don't really care >18) Most underrated music of the year:=20 >=20 kj >19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are:=20 > wall of voodoo, pogues, clash, starnglers, new model army=20 >20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet=20 >=20 like jester's site (apaert from the colour scheme...) >22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really = like the=20 >following to happen:=20 >=20 to have them playing at my 32rd birthday >23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly = explain=20 >your reaction=20 >=20 still got a hardon >24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than = the red=20 >Krusty Clown?=20 >=20 KRUSTY >25) Favorite track on the new album:=20 >=20 implant >26) Least favorite track on the new album:=20 >=20 you'll never get to me >27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have = been:=20 >=20 implant >28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your = thoughts?=20 >=20 not yet >29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next = Killing=20 >Joke record?=20 >=20 not youth >30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today:=20 >=20 complications >31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT = THE=20 >FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR?=20 >=20 loads... tick tock >32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable = site?=20 >=20 a yellow bertram!!!!!!!!!!!! and a nice new wrist watch ... >33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the = White=20 >House:=20 >=20 g w, he's so much fun! >34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? = >=20 bullocks! >35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way:=20 >=20 put him back in the hole >36) Where is Osama Bin Laden:=20 >=20 haven't talked to him lately >37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the=20 >homefront (US/UK/EUR)? of course NOT!=20 >=20 >38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance?=20 >=20 won't replace my old car >39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September = 11,=20 >2001?=20 >=20 nada >40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day?=20 >=20 preparing for an exam, sitting at my desk >41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office = would be:=20 >=20 declare myself immortal >42) Tony Blair is a: _________.=20 >=20 cocksucker >43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the = American Dime=20 >with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction:=20 >=20 lovely idea.... would laugh my arse off! >44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling = why you=20 >feel this way. Support your argument:=20 >=20 idiot, no support of argument needed... >45) Under which American administration was the world/your own = situation=20 >better off: Bush's or Clinton's?=20 >=20 clinton's.... >::::END::::=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- 5 neue Buddies =3D 50 FreeSMS. Hier klicken - der Countdown l=E4uft! = FreeSMS abr=E4umen mit dem MSN Messenger. = _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list = Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01C3C5C3.684C20A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
wall of woodoo ...
with or without stanard ?
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dirk=20 Kingerske
Sent: Thursday, December 18, = 2003 7:33=20 PM
Subject: RE: [kj] YEAR END POLL = FOR=20 `03



>=20
>=20
>1) Your Name:=20
>=20

Dirk (King Snake)

>2) Your Age:    

31

>=20
>3) Are you married and have you any children?=20

>

NO

>4) I live here:=20

>

Aachen, Germany

>5) I've been a member of the Gathering since:=20

>

end 98 (I think)

>6) What do you want for X-mas?=20

>

an au pair

>7) Your biggest extravagance of the year?=20

>

going to nyc for a kj gig

>8) Your biggest hopes for 2004?=20

>

a second tour

>9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is = it?:=20

>

the best of the pogues, wanted to hear it, couldn't find it.... a = bit=20 boring....

>10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were = your=20 top five=20
>favorite releases of the year?=20

>

5, that would be a bit optimistic

>11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they = rate?=20

>

planlos, destruktiver hoersturz (both of them german punk rock) = d.h. was=20 quite good...

>12) Worst music you heard all year:=20

>

a listen quite a bit to the radio....

>13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a = big fan=20 of ________, I=20
>lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer = need=20 not be=20
>restricted to music)=20

>

harry potter (unless they are younger than 13, or female, or they = buy me a=20 drink, or...)

>14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing = new=20 material:=20

>

wall of voodoo

>15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling = it a day:=20

>

rolling stones

>16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release = deluxe=20 stylee:=20

>

kj-backcatalogue

>17) Most overrated music of the year:=20

>

don't really care

>18) Most underrated music of the year:=20

>

kj

>19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite = bands/artists=20 are:=20

>

wall of voodoo, pogues, clash, starnglers, new model army 

>20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on = the=20 Internet=20

>

like jester's site (apaert from the colour scheme...)

>22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, = I'd=20 really like the=20
>following to happen:=20

>

to have them playing at my 32rd birthday

>23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If = so,=20 briefly explain=20
>your reaction=20

>

still got a hardon

>24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, = other=20 than the red=20
>Krusty Clown?=20

>

KRUSTY

>25) Favorite track on the new album:=20

>

implant

>26) Least favorite track on the new album:=20

>

you'll never get to me

>27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, = it would=20 have been:=20

>

implant

>28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as = yet?=20 Your thoughts?=20

>

not yet

>29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see = produce the=20 next Killing=20
>Joke record?=20

>

not youth

>30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today:

>

complications

>31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? = If not,=20 WHAT THE=20
>FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR?=20

>

loads... tick tock

>32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike = Coles=20 estimable site?=20

>

a yellow bertram!!!!!!!!!!!! and a nice new wrist watch ...

>33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this = man in=20 the White=20
>House:=20

>

 g w, he's so much fun!

>34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has = been=20 apprehended?=20

>

bullocks!

>35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam = this way:=20

>

put him back in the hole

>36) Where is Osama Bin Laden:=20

>

haven't talked to him lately

>37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of = Islamists on=20 the=20

>homefront (US/UK/EUR)?

of course NOT! 

>=20
>38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance?=20

>

won't replace my old car

>39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the = events of=20 September 11,=20
>2001?=20

>

nada

>40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day?=20

>

preparing for an exam, sitting at my desk

>41) Were you the next American president, your first = act in=20 office would be:=20

>

declare myself immortal

>42) Tony Blair is a: _________.=20

>

cocksucker

>43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face = on the=20 American Dime=20
>with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction:=20

>

lovely idea.... would laugh my arse off!

>44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain = your=20 feeling why you=20
>feel this way. Support your argument:=20

>

idiot, no support of argument needed...

>45) Under which American administration was the = world/your own=20 situation=20
>better off: Bush's or Clinton's?=20

>

clinton's....

>::::END::::=20

5 neue Buddies =3D 50 FreeSMS. Hier klicken - der = Countdown=20 l=E4uft! FreeSMS abr=E4umen mit dem MSN Messenger.=20 _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list = Gathering@misera.net=20 http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01C3C5C3.684C20A0-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 23:02:38 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Ford Prefect) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:02:38 -0000 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 References: <20031218203535.68632.qmail@web86111.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002701c3c5bb$08bd0f30$6a9d9351@sn7212787026> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C3C5BB.0876B760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable but they did, with Requiem graham ----- Original Message -----=20 From: bluce ree=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 yeah, I wasn't convinced by them for a second. I just hope KJ dont = follow suit with the typical 3rd single has to be a ballad formula! Jester wrote:=20 Ok, now I feel better. From what I have seen and heard from people = round here, I was beginning to think I was the only one who saw through = their fa=E7ade. On 12/18/03 2:03 PM, "bluce ree" wrote: what i dont get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth metallers with = a whimpy chick singer can get to number 1. =20 Will E Scheipers wrote:=20 Have you ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs all = have open cords as the verse for every song? I don't get it either..... =20 From, Will =20 17) Most overrated music of the year: My wife has been listening to Evanesance or something like that, = a lot. I just don't get it... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!=20 OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows = or Gates?" -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! = Download Messenger Now ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C3C5BB.0876B760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
but they did, with=20 Requiem
graham
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 bluce=20 ree
Sent: Thursday, December 18, = 2003 8:35=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL = FOR=20 `03

yeah, I wasn't convinced by them for a second.  I just hope = KJ dont=20 follow suit with the typical 3rd single has to be a ballad=20 formula!

Jester <webmaster@killing-joke.com= >=20 wrote:=20
Ok, now I feel = better. From what=20 I have seen and heard from people round here, I was beginning to = think I was=20 the only one who saw through their fa=E7ade.

On 12/18/03 2:03 = PM,=20 "bluce ree" <bluceree2003@yahoo.co.uk> = wrote:
what i dont=20 get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth metallers with a whimpy = chick=20 singer can get to number 1.  

Will E Scheipers=20 <wscheip1@juno.com> wrote:
Have you=20 ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs all have open = cords=20 as the verse for every song? I don't get it=20 either.....
 
From,
Will
 


17) = Most=20 overrated music of the year:

My wife has been listening = to=20 Evanesance or something like that, a lot. I just don=92t get=20 it...



KEEPING = THE FIRE ALIVE=20 WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER=20
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM =

There is no place like=20 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we = have=20 for Windows or Gates?"

Yahoo!=20 Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! = Download=20 Messenger Now ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C3C5BB.0876B760-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 23:09:29 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Ford Prefect) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:09:29 -0000 Subject: [kj] news References: Message-ID: <006d01c3c5bb$fd6d70b0$6a9d9351@sn7212787026> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C3C5BB.FD228500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable newsget 'em back on MD, you know it makes sense graham ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mike coles=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:34 PM Subject: [kj] news Meanwhile The Raven is talking to the fabulously talented, charming, = handsome (and modest) Headcount about producing a new long playing = record, so that should keep him busy for a while. My people tell me they've been speaking to headcount's people and = raven's people and they're hoping to organise some sort of collaboration = with malicious damage re this long playing record. Also, I'm away until Sunday and won't be unsubscribing. SO I DON'T WANT A MILLION FUCKING EMAILS ABOUT JEWS & ARABS WHEN I GET = BACK!!! I'll do the poll when I return AleXInNYC. cheers, colesy --=20 Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C3C5BB.FD228500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable news
get 'em back on MD, you = know it makes=20 sense
 
 
graham
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mike coles
Sent: Thursday, December 18, = 2003 10:34=20 PM
Subject: [kj] news

Meanwhile The Raven is talking to the = fabulously=20 talented, charming, handsome (and modest) Headcount about producing a = new long=20 playing record, so that should keep him busy for a while.
My people tell me they've been speaking to headcount's people and = raven's=20 people and they're hoping to organise some sort of collaboration with=20 malicious damage re this long playing record.

Also, I'm away until Sunday and won't be unsubscribing.
SO I DON'T WANT A MILLION FUCKING EMAILS ABOUT JEWS & ARABS = WHEN I=20 GET BACK!!!

I'll do the poll when I return AleXInNYC.

cheers,
colesy
--=20
Check out our merchandise at = http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk
... and=20 you can find more Killing Joke at=20 http://www.studio-c.co.uk
------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C3C5BB.FD228500-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 23:13:06 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (P Bernardi) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:13:06 -0500 Subject: [kj] Poll Message-ID: <3FE23482.4060201@erols.com> --------------060703080404060007040803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? Bought a new car and drove to Detroit + Chicago to see the Joke 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: Alice Cooper - Eyes of Alice Cooper. Oh lordy, its now a drink coaster... 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? Nick Cave - Nocturama Broadcast - Ha ha Sound Glass Candy (forgot the title) 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Killing Joke = They Rule, Dude. The Rapture = Awful Gang of Four Schlock 3rd rate rip offs. Fukcing Dieeeeee Drive By Truckers = zzzzz z z z zz z z Junior/Senior = Complete Dogshit. The Locust = Okay Broadcast = Highly enjoyable From Autumn to Ashes = Unintentionally Comical Cave In = Okay Christ Analog = Lame New Model Army = Wished it was a full band, but still enjoyable TurboNegro = Not as Intense as their album would leave me to believe Electric Six = Forgettable The Kills + Yeah, Yeah, Yeahs = Thank god, I didnt pay for that show. And some crap band called Amen. 12) Worst music you heard all year: Some Electroclash crap or lame goth synth bands. 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: Probably Stranglers but I would like to see the original Roxy Music Line up. --------------060703080404060007040803 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

7) Your biggest extravagance of the year?
Bought a new car and drove to Detroit + Chicago to see the Joke

9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?:
Alice Cooper - Eyes of Alice Cooper.  Oh lordy, its now a drink coaster...

10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year?
Nick Cave - Nocturama
Broadcast - Ha ha Sound
Glass Candy (forgot the title)

11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate?
Killing Joke = They Rule, Dude.
The Rapture = Awful Gang of Four Schlock 3rd rate rip offs. Fukcing Dieeeeee
Drive By Truckers = zzzzz z z z zz   z    z
Junior/Senior = Complete Dogshit.
The Locust = Okay
Broadcast = Highly enjoyable
>From Autumn to Ashes = Unintentionally Comical
Cave In = Okay
Christ Analog = Lame
New Model Army = Wished it was a full band, but still enjoyable
TurboNegro = Not as Intense as their album would leave me to believe
Electric Six = Forgettable
The Kills + Yeah, Yeah, Yeahs = Thank god, I didnt pay for that show.
And some crap band called Amen.

12) Worst music you heard all year:
Some Electroclash crap or lame goth synth bands.

14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material:
Probably Stranglers but I would like to see the original Roxy Music Line up.


--------------060703080404060007040803-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 23:34:35 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:34:35 EST Subject: [kj] end of year poll Message-ID: <12a.37b2bed4.2d13938b@aol.com> --part1_12a.37b2bed4.2d13938b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1) Your Name: Lyle 2) Your Age: 31 3) Are you married and have you any children? No 4) I live here: Kilmarnock, Scotland 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since:01/07/ 03 6) What do you want for X-mas? Big surprize 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? new PC 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? New KJ album & tour 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: Tricky - Vulnerable / i've been following his releases for the past 8 years/ its a return to form 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year?1) Jane's Addiction - Strays. 2) Muse - Absolution. 3) A Perfect Circle - Thirteen. 4) Tricky - Vulnerable. 5) Luke Haines & The Auteurs - Das Capital 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Muse/ pretty good 12) Worst music you heard all year: Pop Idol Contestants 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music) 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: The Afghan Whigs 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: Rolling Stones 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: Brighter Than a Thousand Suns 17) Most overrated music of the year:The Darkness 18) Most underrated music of the year: Luke Haines 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are Led Zepplin , Jane's Addiction, Sophia , The Auteurs, The God Machine 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet: Better than most bands 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: Gathering Gig's for Europe & USA 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction Yes ,Glasgow, unbridled exstasy 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? Some new Colesy artwork 25) Favorite track on the new album: D & R S 26) Least favorite track on the new album:Loose Cannon 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been:Seeing Red 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts?No 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? Steve Albini 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today:Blood on Your Hands 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Yes, 2 Lovely t-shirts 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site?Rubicon fan club design t-shirt & white extremities from the tour 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: Alex in NYC 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? No 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: Hand him over to the victims of his actions families 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Majorca(for a nice 2 week break from terrorism) 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Not by a longshot 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? As you'll ever be 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? Probably not 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? D/O, long country walk 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: Expulsion of Bush from USA 42) Tony Blair is a: C--T_________. 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: Bad Idea 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument:Invasion of Iraq. Going against United Nations & in so doing isolating Brition & USA &creating a terrible president for the future 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? Clinton's ::::END:::: --part1_12a.37b2bed4.2d13938b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1) Your Name: Lyle

2) Your Age: 31

3) Are you married and have you any children? No

4) I live here: Kilmarnock, Scotland

5) I've been a member of the Gathering since:01/07/ 03

6) What do you want for X-mas? Big surprize

7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? new PC

8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? New KJ album & tour

9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: Tricky - Vulnerab= le / i've been following his releases for the past 8 years/ its a return to=20= form

10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favori= te releases of the year?1) Jane's Addiction - Strays. 2) Muse - Absolution.=20= 3) A Perfect Circle - Thirteen. 4) Tricky - Vulnerable. 5) Luke Haines &= The Auteurs - Das Capital




11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Muse/ pretty good=

12) Worst music you heard all year: Pop Idol Contestants

13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I= lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restric= ted to music)

14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: The Af= ghan Whigs

15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: Rolling Ston= es

16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: Bright= er Than a Thousand Suns

17) Most overrated music of the year:The Darkness

18) Most underrated music of the year: Luke Haines


19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are Led Zepplin= , Jane's Addiction, Sophia , The Auteurs, The God Machine

20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet: Better th= an most bands

22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the=20= following to happen: Gathering Gig's for Europe & USA

23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain you= r reaction
Yes ,Glasgow, unbridled exstasy
24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red K= rusty Clown? Some new Colesy artwork

25) Favorite track on the new album: D & R S

26) Least favorite track on the new album:Loose Cannon

27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been:Se= eing Red

28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts?No=

29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing= Joke record? Steve Albini

30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today:Blood on Your Hands=

31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUC= K ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Yes, 2 Lovely t-shirts

32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site?Rubi= con fan club design t-shirt & white extremities from the tour

33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White Hous= e: Alex in NYC

34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? No

35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: Hand him over=20= to the victims of his actions families

36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Majorca(for a nice 2 week break from terrorism= )

37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefron= t (US/UK/EUR)? Not by a longshot

38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? As you'll ever be

39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 20= 01? Probably not

40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? D/O, long country walk
41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be:= Expulsion of Bush from USA

42) Tony Blair is a: C--T_________.

43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime=20= with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: Bad Idea

44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you=20= feel this way. Support your argument:Invasion of Iraq. Going against United=20= Nations & in so doing isolating Brition &  USA &creating a=20= terrible president for the future

45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation bet= ter off: Bush's or Clinton's? Clinton's

::::END::::







 --part1_12a.37b2bed4.2d13938b_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 23:36:46 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:36:46 EST Subject: [kj] re:poll Message-ID: <198.23d85926.2d13940e@aol.com> --part1_198.23d85926.2d13940e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1) Your Name: Greg 2) Your Age: just turned 40! (My party was officially titled "Tapping into the Aeons" 3) Are you married and have you any children? engaged, no kids 4) I live here: Boston 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: the recent KJ show in Boston 6) What do you want for X-mas? rare KJ stuff! 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? going to India (where I met my fiancee) 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? new KJ tour; no war; jobs for all, etc. 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: 3 albums at once: new Buzzcocks (excellent), new Joe Jackson (good it you like him); new Joe Strummer & the Mescaleros (a fucking masterpiece) 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? Buzzcocks, Joe Strummer, Rancid, Luciano (reggae) 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Prodigals (so-so), Rancid (not as good as last tour) 12) Worst music you heard all year: lots--garage rock (especially White Stripes), kiddie punk, most everything else 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music) Yankees 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: KJ, Stiff Little Fingers (time for US tour), Mighty Mighty Bosstones, Mike Watt 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: most of them 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: KJ Revelations, all Black Flag 17) Most overrated music of the year: Strokes, White Stripes 18) Most underrated music of the year: KJ, Buzzcocks, Joe Strummer (you must bow to the masters) 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: Clash, Specials, Pogues, Minutemen, Boukman Experyans (from Haiti) 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet website could have more stuff; other sites good 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: promise of new tour/LP; ANY radio play in US 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction Yes: disappointing in terms of sound, stage show/presence, and attendance; 1994 was best; still great to see them, and will see them any time they play 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? something anti-war/band photo 25) Favorite track on the new album: Blood On Your Hands, You'll Never Get To Me (sorry) 26) Least favorite track on the new album: House That Pain Built 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: Blood On Your Hands, Loose Canon (very radio friendly) 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? No 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? KJ or Paul Koldiere 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Total Invasion, Blood On Your Hands 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? No; not to be so cheap 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? posters? 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: none that are running--but if I had to choose, Dennis Kucinich or Carol Mosley Brown 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? No 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: Parade him and Bush and Bush Sr. and Reagan and the CIA (his allies) in the streets and expose their crimes 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: hiding himself and his $300 that he inherited 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Probably not, but the media will milk it in order to control more world resources 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? I don't feel personally the need to--I don't work in a tall building or anything 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? Of course not--it's already been shown that the Iraq and Bin Laden were adversaries 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? At school teaching; a supervisor told me 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: Arrest all capitalists, cops, and politicians 42) Tony Blair is a: _________. lapdog for Bush! 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: Gross 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: True--I don't have room to answer. 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? Clinton, but don't forget that he attacked US immigrants, cut welfare, and hired 100,000 cops, and began planning the Gulf War II with his cabinet --part1_198.23d85926.2d13940e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1) Your Name: Greg

2) Your Age: just turned 40! (My party was officially titled "Tapping into t= he Aeons"

3) Are you married and have you any children?  engaged, no kids

4) I live here: Boston

5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: the recent KJ show in Boston <= BR>
6) What do you want for X-mas? rare KJ stuff!

7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? going to India (where I met my fia= ncee)

8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? new KJ tour; no war; jobs for all, etc.

9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?:

3 albums at once: new Buzzcocks (excellent), new Joe Jackson (good it you li= ke him);
new Joe Strummer & the Mescaleros (a fucking masterpiece)

10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favori= te releases of the year?
Buzzcocks, Joe Strummer, Rancid, Luciano (reggae)

11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate?

Prodigals (so-so), Rancid (not as good as last tour)

12) Worst music you heard all year:
lots--garage rock (especially White Stripes), kiddie punk, most everything e= lse

13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I= lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restric= ted to music)
Yankees
14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material:
KJ, Stiff Little Fingers (time for US tour), Mighty Mighty Bosstones, Mike W= att

15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day:
most of them

16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee:
KJ Revelations, all Black Flag
17) Most overrated music of the year:
Strokes, White Stripes
18) Most underrated music of the year:
KJ, Buzzcocks, Joe Strummer (you must bow to the masters)
19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are:
Clash, Specials, Pogues, Minutemen, Boukman Experyans (from Haiti)

20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet
website could have more stuff; other sites good
22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the=20= following to happen:
promise of new tour/LP; ANY radio play in US

23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain you= r reaction
Yes: disappointing in terms of sound, stage show/presence, and attendance; 1= 994 was best; still great to see them, and will see them any time they play<= BR>
24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red K= rusty Clown?
something anti-war/band photo
25) Favorite track on the new album:
Blood On Your Hands, You'll Never Get To Me (sorry)
26) Least favorite track on the new album:
House That Pain Built
27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: Blood On Your Hands, Loose Canon (very radio friendly)
28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? No
29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing= Joke record?
KJ or Paul Koldiere
30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today:
Total Invasion, Blood On Your Hands
31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUC= K ARE YOU WAITING FOR?
No; not to be so cheap
32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site?
posters?
33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White Hous= e:
none that are running--but if I had to choose, Dennis Kucinich or Carol Mosl= ey Brown
34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended?
No
35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way:
Parade him and Bush and Bush Sr. and Reagan and the CIA (his allies) in the=20= streets and expose their crimes
36) Where is Osama Bin Laden:
hiding himself and his $300 that he inherited
37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefron= t (US/UK/EUR)?
Probably not, but the media will milk it in order to control more world reso= urces
38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance?
I don't feel personally the need to--I don't work in a tall building or anyt= hing
39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 20= 01?
Of course not--it's already been shown that the Iraq and Bin Laden were adve= rsaries
40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day?
At school teaching; a supervisor told me
41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be:=
Arrest all capitalists, cops, and politicians
42) Tony Blair is a: _________. lapdog for Bush!

43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime=20= with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction:
Gross
44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you=20= feel this way. Support your argument:
True--I don't have room to answer.
45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation bet= ter off: Bush's or Clinton's?
Clinton, but don't forget that he attacked US immigrants, cut welfare, and h= ired 100,000 cops, and began planning the Gulf War II with his cabinet


 --part1_198.23d85926.2d13940e_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 00:06:11 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Will E Scheipers) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:06:11 -0800 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Message-ID: <20031218.183803.1052.0.Wscheip1@juno.com> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_2b66.124d.0dfd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I think it is the chick singer appeal, the old "They Rock and their singer is a GURL!" Kinda like the riot grrl explosion of the 90's. From, Will On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:03:38 +0000 (GMT) =?iso-8859-1?q?bluce=20ree?= writes: what i dont get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth metallers with a whimpy chick singer can get to number 1. Will E Scheipers wrote: Have you ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs all have open cords as the verse for every song? I don't get it either..... From, Will 17) Most overrated music of the year: My wife has been listening to Evanesance or something like that, a lot. I just don’t get it... Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now ----__JNP_000_2b66.124d.0dfd Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think it is the chick singer appeal, the old "They Rock and their = singer=20 is a GURL!" Kinda like the riot grrl explosion of the 90's.
 
From,
Will
 
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:03:38 +0000 (GMT) =3D?iso-8859-1?q?bluce=3D= 20ree?=3D=20 <bluceree2003@yahoo.co.uk>=20 writes:
what i dont get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth metallers with a= =20 whimpy chick singer can get to number 1. 

Will E = Scheipers=20 <wscheip1@juno.com> wrote:=20
Have you ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs all = have=20 open cords as the verse for every song? I don't get it either.....
 
From,
Will
 


17) = Most=20 overrated music of the year:

My wife has been listening to = Evanesance=20 or something like that, a lot. I just don=92t get=20 it...




Yahoo!=20 Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download=20 Messenger Now
 
----__JNP_000_2b66.124d.0dfd-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 23:41:41 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:41:41 EST Subject: [kj] KJ producer Message-ID: <1a3.1e61c8d6.2d139535@aol.com> --part1_1a3.1e61c8d6.2d139535_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? Steve Albini Thanks--what an obvious choice! I'm sure he's a huge Joke fan. --part1_1a3.1e61c8d6.2d139535_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would= you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? Steve Albini


Thanks--what an obvious choice! I'm sure he's a huge Joke fan. --part1_1a3.1e61c8d6.2d139535_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 18 23:42:43 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:42:43 -0000 Subject: [kj] news References: Message-ID: <002801c3c5c0$a9c21f10$c0ccff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C3C5C0.A1E83BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable newsAs i ve changed my point of view on the subject,you wont be hearing = another peep out of me. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mike coles=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:34 PM Subject: [kj] news Meanwhile The Raven is talking to the fabulously talented, charming, = handsome (and modest) Headcount about producing a new long playing = record, so that should keep him busy for a while. My people tell me they've been speaking to headcount's people and = raven's people and they're hoping to organise some sort of collaboration = with malicious damage re this long playing record. Also, I'm away until Sunday and won't be unsubscribing. SO I DON'T WANT A MILLION FUCKING EMAILS ABOUT JEWS & ARABS WHEN I GET = BACK!!! I'll do the poll when I return AleXInNYC. cheers, colesy --=20 Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C3C5C0.A1E83BD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable news
As i ve changed my point of view on the = subject,you=20 wont be hearing another peep out of me.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mike coles
Sent: Thursday, December 18, = 2003 10:34=20 PM
Subject: [kj] news

Meanwhile The Raven is talking to the = fabulously=20 talented, charming, handsome (and modest) Headcount about producing a = new long=20 playing record, so that should keep him busy for a while.
My people tell me they've been speaking to headcount's people and = raven's=20 people and they're hoping to organise some sort of collaboration with=20 malicious damage re this long playing record.

Also, I'm away until Sunday and won't be unsubscribing.
SO I DON'T WANT A MILLION FUCKING EMAILS ABOUT JEWS & ARABS = WHEN I=20 GET BACK!!!

I'll do the poll when I return AleXInNYC.

cheers,
colesy
--=20
Check out our merchandise at = http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk
... and=20 you can find more Killing Joke at=20 http://www.studio-c.co.uk
------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C3C5C0.A1E83BD0-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 00:00:19 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:00:19 -0500 Subject: [kj] year end poll '03 Message-ID: <3FE1F943.12453.25F6C40@localhost> --Alt-Boundary-24551.39808064 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Alright. As threatened, herewith THE GATHERING YEAR-END POLL FOR 2003. Most of you know how this works, but being that there are a lot of newbies around these days, simply Cut'n Paste the following questionaire part of this message into a new message and answer the questions as they apply to you, and then send them to the Gathering (gathering@misera.net). This is not a scientific nor deadly serious poll, so feel free to waive any questions that you find too invasive, but by the same token -- don't be a big pussy, answer the questions. It's only 45 questions, and most of them are short, one or two word answers, so keep thy whining to thyself. 1) Your Name: todd wulfmeyer 2) Your Age: pushin' 36 3) Are you married and have you any children? married - no rugrats, lots o pets 4) I live here: capitol of new yawk, albany 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: 1996 6) What do you want for X-mas? a dallas mavericks trouncing over the saclessmental queens 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? big year - buy house/move across defruited plains. kj road trip!!!!! kiss/aerosmith concert 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004?another US KJ tour, a US tour by gloucestershire's own, DEMOB! i start a new band, geordie walker produces said band's first offering, mayhem ensues ( churches burn, pagans dance, the sky falls, aliens land, the earth belches - reclaims it's resources and irradicates the disease...etc.) 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: black eyed peas elephunk. cause i liked what i heard. good stuff 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? 1) empire - expensive sound 2) mickey baker - the wildest guitar ( first time cd release) 3) how the west was won - led zeppelin 4) permission to land - the darkness ( ;P jim harper ) 5) elephunk - black eyed peas 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? aerosmith/kiss. never seen either so we took the opportunity to kill two birds with one stone. normally not my cup o' ramen but worth doing once, especially if you could use a laugh. 12) Worst music you heard all year: opening acts for killing joke nYC 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music) nashville's pandering schmaltz tom clancy the washington times 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: sly and the family stone gang of four blue cheer television 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: bo diddley the strokes brian setzer metallica 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: Killing Joke back catalogee 17) Most overrated music of the year: 50 cent 18) Most underrated music of the year: killing joke 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: right now: 1) feederz 2) pablo casals 3) marc ribot 4) dead kennedys 5) empire 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet. anna - joe - mik - everybody - are doing wonderful things for the flock on the net. official page is pathetic. martinD, thanks for getting it all started btw is he in a coma? still miss the last laugh. need a geordie page, ade, mark, fluw! 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: geordie gets his burmans. Bp ties one on with jaz and all is well back catalog is released more fire dances material is uncovered odic is revived 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction i was stunned and catchin' flies. was an exorcism very jealous i didn't get to hear frenzy 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? rob's arse atop a bumper dumper 25) Favorite track on the new album: zennon 26) Least favorite track on the new album:loose cannon 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: implant 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? nope 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? john porter or the band, as long as youth is not there 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: empire song 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? purchased bunches of good stuff 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? white shirt with a figure of a jester laughing from above formed by the billows of a burning hillside gothic church as carillons roll, crash and tumble toward a sleepy village. tumble tumble here we go 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: howdy doody - whose strings will be pulled by eddie izzard 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? was i supposed to 'feel' threatened? 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: have him take a bath put on his sunday best and go to church with rummy 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: physically? covertly stalemated and not in a position to be a threat. karl rove will release him when the time is appropriate. 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? nah 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? nope it may be a while before another canal lock is opened. 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? iraq did not contribute 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? processing work papers getting library ready for opening 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: be the recipient of a sloppy hummer (via the first lady not a plump intern) 42) Tony Blair is a: _________. serpent 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: ha, 'spose manson will be on the susan B anyday 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: he is not presidential caliber but we knew that. a simpleton is more like it. some people remark after meeting W that he is an nice average joe, and that is indeed his 'schtick'. but other than being average his only other 'attribute' is that he is a member of a very wealthy and connected family. i have talked with W and what he chose to indulge me with from his enormous capacity, involved - ruminating about how hard his job is. how cool a device for launching tennis balls for spot was. the barf his dog launched that morning. now i purposely gave him some vague lead with this in order to disarm and see his reaction, and he ran with it. does that reflect he's a smart politician to play like he is down to earth? does it indicate he underestimates people in general and assumes they just want to talk 'dog barf' when presented the opportunity to gab with 'the most powerful person in the world'? or was it honestly all he has to offer? regardless, i would have expected a real prez to take it to another level but W just sank. it wasn't charming or approachable, just void. 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? clinton, not much consolation though ::::END:::: --Alt-Boundary-24551.39808064 Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body
Alright. As threatened, herewith THE GATHERING YEAR-END POLL FOR 2003. Most of you know how this works, but being that there are a lot of newbies around these days, simply Cut'n Paste the following questionaire part of this message into a new message and answer the questions as they apply to you, and then send them to the Gathering  (gathering@misera.net). This is not a scientific nor deadly serious poll, so feel free to waive any questions that you find too invasive, but by the same token -- don't be a big pussy, answer the questions.  It's only 45 questions, and most of them are short, one or two word answers, so keep thy whining to thyself.


1) Your Name: todd wulfmeyer

2) Your Age: pushin' 36

3) Are you married and have you any children? married - no rugrats, lots o pets 

4) I live here: capitol of new yawk, albany

5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: 1996

6) What do you want for X-mas? a dallas mavericks trouncing over the saclessmental queens

7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? big year - buy house/move across defruited plains.
kj road trip!!!!!
kiss/aerosmith concert

8) Your biggest hopes for 2004?another US KJ tour, a US tour by gloucestershire's own, DEMOB! i start a new band, geordie walker produces said band's first offering, mayhem ensues ( churches burn,  pagans dance, the sky falls, aliens land, the earth belches - reclaims it's resources and irradicates the disease...etc.)    

9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: black eyed peas elephunk.
cause i liked what i heard.
good stuff

10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year?
1) empire - expensive sound
2) mickey baker - the wildest guitar ( first time cd release)
3) how the west was won - led zeppelin
4) permission to land - the darkness ( ;P jim harper )
5) elephunk - black eyed peas

11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate?
aerosmith/kiss. never seen either so we took the opportunity to kill two birds with one stone. normally not my cup o' ramen but worth doing once, especially if you could use a laugh.

12) Worst music you heard all year: opening acts for killing joke nYC

13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music)
nashville's pandering schmaltz
tom clancy
the washington times

14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material:
sly and the family stone
gang of four
blue cheer
television

15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day:
bo diddley
the strokes
brian setzer
metallica


16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee:
Killing Joke back catalogee


17) Most overrated music of the year: 50 cent

18) Most underrated music of the year: killing joke

19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are:
right now:

1) feederz
2) pablo casals
3) marc ribot
4) dead kennedys
5) empire

20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet. anna - joe - mik - everybody - are doing wonderful things for the flock on the net. official page is pathetic. martinD, thanks for getting it all started btw is he in a coma? still miss the last laugh. need a geordie page, ade, mark, fluw!

22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen:
geordie gets his burmans.
Bp ties one on with jaz and all is well
back catalog is released
more fire dances material is uncovered
odic is revived

23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction
i was stunned and catchin' flies. was an exorcism
very jealous i didn't get to hear frenzy

24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? rob's arse atop a bumper dumper

25) Favorite track on the new album: zennon

26) Least favorite track on the new album:loose cannon

27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: implant

28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? nope

29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? john porter or the band, as long as youth is not there

30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: empire song

31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR?  purchased bunches of good stuff

32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? white shirt with a figure of a jester laughing from above formed by the billows of a burning hillside gothic church as carillons roll, crash and tumble toward a sleepy village. tumble tumble here we go 

33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: howdy doody - whose strings will be pulled by eddie izzard

34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? was i supposed to 'feel' threatened?

35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: have him take a bath put on his sunday best and go to church with rummy

36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: physically? covertly stalemated and not in a position to be a threat. karl rove will release him when the time is appropriate.

37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? nah

38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? nope it may be a while before another canal lock is opened.

39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001?
iraq did not contribute

40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? processing work papers getting library ready for opening

41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: be the recipient of a sloppy hummer (via the first lady not a plump intern)

42) Tony Blair is a: _________. serpent

43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: ha, 'spose manson will be on the susan B anyday

44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: he is not presidential caliber but we knew that. a simpleton is more like it.
some people remark after meeting W that he is an nice average joe, and that is indeed his 'schtick'. but other than being average his only other 'attribute' is that he is a member of a very wealthy and connected family.  i have talked with W and what he chose to indulge me with from his enormous capacity, involved -
ruminating about how hard his job is.
how cool a device for launching tennis balls for spot was.
the barf his dog launched that morning.

now i purposely gave him some vague lead with this in order to disarm and see his reaction, and he ran with it. does that reflect he's a smart politician to play like he is down to earth?
does it indicate he underestimates people in general and assumes they just want to talk 'dog barf' when presented the opportunity to gab with 'the most powerful person in the world'?
or was it honestly all he has to offer?
regardless, i would have expected a real prez to take it to another level but W just sank. it wasn't charming or approachable, just void.    

45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? clinton, not much consolation though

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--Alt-Boundary-24551.39808064-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 00:50:02 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:50:02 -0600 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: <20031218.183803.1052.0.Wscheip1@juno.com> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154618203_6380087 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Be one thing if she was drop dead hot, but she isn't even that great to loo= k at...I seriously do not understand it. Horrible vox Cheesy lyrics Boring musicianship Nothing to really look at I just cant figure it out...I mean, as talent less as Britney is, at least she=B9s hot... On 12/18/03 6:06 PM, "Will E Scheipers" wrote: > I think it is the chick singer appeal, the old "They Rock and their singe= r is > a GURL!" Kinda like the riot grrl explosion of the 90's. > =20 > From, > Will > =20 > On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:03:38 +0000 (GMT) =3D?iso-8859-1?q?bluce=3D20ree?=3D > writes: >> =20 >> what i dont get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth metallers with a wh= impy >> chick singer can get to number 1. >>=20 >> Will E Scheipers wrote: >>> =20 >>> Have you ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs all have o= pen >>> cords as the verse for every song? I don't get it either..... >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> From, >>> Will >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> 17) Most overrated music of the year: >>>=20 >>> My wife has been listening to Evanesance or something like that, a lot= . I >>> just don=92t get it... >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Yahoo! Messenger >> > > - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messen= ger >> Now=20 >> > /download/index.html> >> =20 >=20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154618203_6380087 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Be one thing if she was= drop dead hot, but she isn't even that great to look at...I seriously do no= t understand it.

Horrible vox
Cheesy lyrics
Boring musicianship
Nothing to really look at

I just cant figure it out...I mean, as talent less as Britney is, at least = she’s hot...

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I think it is the chick singer appeal, the old "They Rock and their = singer is a GURL!" Kinda like the riot grrl explosion of the 90's.
 
From,
Will
 
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Will
 
 
 


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 --B_3154618203_6380087-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 01:03:30 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Gary Howes) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:03:30 +1000 Subject: [kj] Year end Poll Message-ID: <95AB22B0EAB75D4DA8939197F28714865DAA77@kelpie.us.int.genesyslab.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C5CB.EABF5948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1) Your Name: Gary Howes 2) Your Age: Just turned 40 3) Are you married and have you any children? My son Jaz is now 5 years old (Big Jaz wrote him a message when we met in Sydney recently), and Bre, 9 years old. 4) I live here: Sydney, Australia 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: 2 weeks 6) What do you want for X-mas? 'The office' BBC TV show DVD 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? New Car. 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? Peace, and good news in the paper. 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it? England half English- Billy Bragg. Good, but not great. 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favourite releases of the year? The Q Magazine 2003 collection had some good tracks 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate?=20 Echo and the Bunnymen -Ian was out of it for the first half, then sobered up. Billy Bragg -Good, but too many tuning up stoppages, remember Joe Strummer said "Who wants it to sound like the record? Me neither" 12) Worst music you heard all year: I turn it off if it's no good! 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: Undertones. 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: Rolling Stones 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee:=20 Never mind the bollocks 17) Most overrated music of the year: Nick Cave ( want to like him, but songs are always too weak) 18) Most underrated music of the year: KJ of course. 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favourite bands/artists are: Clash, Cocteau Twins, Smiths, Conflict and David Sylvian. 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet Long overdue, but thankfully now a reality 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: TO KEEP GOING STRONG 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? Real art from the band 25) Favourite track on the new album: You'll never get to me 26) Least favourite track on the new album: Asteroid 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: Seeing Red 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? No 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? Youth. 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Unto the ends of the earth 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? T-Shirts 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? Bumper sticker!!! 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: An honest person. 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? No. 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: Trail in the Hague. 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden:=20 Pakistan.=20 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? No 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? Yes 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? No 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? Sydney, asleep. It was September 12th!!! 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: Reduce foreign intervention, look after my own people (I visit the US regularly and it is the poorest place I go, bar Asia.) 42) Tony Blair is a: __Sad shadow of his former self.. 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: It speaks for itself. Very deluded. 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: Just is... 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? Clinton, flawed but still human. Great work on Aids with Nelson proves his inner convictions. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C5CB.EABF5948 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Year end Poll

1) Your Name:

Gary Howes
2) Your Age:

Just turned 40

3) Are you married and have you = any children?

My son Jaz is now 5 years old (Big Jaz = wrote him a message when we met in Sydney recently), and Bre, 9 years = old.

4) I live here:

Sydney, Australia

5) I've been a member of the = Gathering since:

2 weeks

6) What do you want for = X-mas?
'The office' BBC TV show DVD

7) Your biggest extravagance of = the year?
New Car.
8) Your biggest hopes for = 2004?
Peace, and good news in the = paper.
9) What was the last album you = bought,why, and how
is it?
 England half English- Billy Bragg.
Good, but not great.
10) Not including the new Killing = Joke album, what
were your top five favourite = releases of the year?
The Q Magazine 2003 collection had = some good tracks

11) What live bands have you seen = recently. Did they
 rate?
Echo and the Bunnymen -Ian was out of = it for the first half, then sobered up.
Billy Bragg -Good, but too many = tuning up stoppages, remember Joe Strummer said "Who wants it to = sound like the record? Me neither"

12) Worst music you heard all = year:
I turn it off if = it's no good!

14) Band(s) most in need = of
reforming/touring/releasing new = material:
Undertones.
15) Band(s) most in need of = hanging it up and calling
it a day:
Rolling = Stones
16) Albums = most in need of re-mastering and
 re-release deluxe stylee:
Never mind the = bollocks

17) Most overrated music of the = year:

Nick Cave ( want = to like him, but songs are always too weak)

18) Most underrated music of the = year:
KJ of = course.

19) Next to Killing Joke, my top = five favourite
bands/artists are:
Clash, Cocteau = Twins, Smiths, Conflict and David Sylvian.
20) Express your views on Killing = Joke's presence on
the Internet

Long overdue, but thankfully now a = reality


22) Regarding the Joke, despite = all the
rumormongering, I'd really like = the following to
happen:

TO KEEP GOING STRONG

24) What would you have rather = seen on the album
cover, other than the red Krusty = Clown?

Real = art from the band

25) Favourite track on the new = album:

You'll never get = to me

26) Least favourite track on the = new album:

Asteroid

27) Were it up to you to have = chosen the first single,
it would have been:

Seeing Red

28) Have you managed to see = "the Year of the Devil" as
yet? Your thoughts?
No
29) Outside of = Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke = record?
Youth.
30) Killing Joke track that best sums up = the world today:
Unto the ends of the = earth
31) Have you bought anything from = Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR?
T-Shirts
32) Goods you'd like to see made = available on Mike Coles estimable site?
Bumper = sticker!!!
33) Following = the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House:
An honest person.
34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been = apprehended?
No.
35) Now that he's in custody, I would = handle Saddam this way:
Trail in the = Hague.
36) Where is = Osama Bin Laden:
Pakistan.
37) Have we seen = the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront = (US/UK/EUR)?
No
38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance?
Yes
39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September = 11, 2001?
No
40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day?
Sydney, asleep. It was September 12th!!!
41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would = be:
Reduce foreign intervention, look after my own people (I visit the US = regularly and it is the poorest place I go, bar Asia.)
42) Tony Blair is a: __Sad shadow of his former self..

43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American = Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction:
It speaks for itself. Very deluded.
44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why = you feel this way. Support your argument:
Just is...
45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation = better off: Bush's or Clinton's?
Clinton, flawed but still human. Great work on Aids with Nelson proves = his inner convictions.




------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C5CB.EABF5948-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 01:06:50 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bo Krogsgaard) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:06:50 +0100 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: <200312181816.hBIIGwOf006595@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <3FE25D3A.22452.BE0CA8B@localhost> On 18 Dec 2003 at 13:17, Alex Smith wrote: > 1) Your Name: Bo "Skodbums" Krogsgaard > 2) Your Age: 34 > 3) Are you married and have you any children? Unmarried, in relationship, and got a five year old boy (no those two are = NOT the same) > 4) I live here: Vall=F8by, Denmark, about 50km south of Copenhagen > 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: Mid 2000 i *think* > 6) What do you want for X-mas? Titties 'n' beer > 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? Killing Joke live at Lokersefeesten, everything included > 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? More titties 'n' beer > 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: Barbara Morgenstern - Vermona something. Because a friend in Montreal copi= ed over a whole lot of her songs to me and i found that one had the most of those i = liked. It's not exactly the best but it's funny and cute and relaxing in a silly minimalis= tic way. Oh, and she is damned cute on a good day. > 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five > favorite releases of the year? 1) King Crimson - The Power To Believe .. has been my #1 since April now. 2) Vital Remains - Dechristianize 3) Vader - Blood Err .. i think i ran out .. Fit in the new Killing Joke at #2, by the way, and nobody are to stone ANY= BODY before i blow this whistle! > 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Killing Joke - best gig of my life Manic Movement - friends of mine from Belgium, awesome gig but fell asleep= half way through the set because i really overdid the beer due to my ex breaking up= the same day .. did manage to wake up in time to hear their totally awesome version of Ann= e Clark's "Our Darkness" though Cannot recall having seen any gigs after that .. actually i cannot recall = much of this year .. > 12) Worst music you heard all year: Metallica - St Wanker and whoever it was out of Blur and Suede that releas= ed an album on the 5th of May, and me being stuck in fucking Heathrow for 90 minutes forc= ed to listen to that crap > 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of _______= _, I > lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be > restricted to music) Any nu-metal band, including Selloutica .. and fans of REM or Bj=F6rk shou= ld keep quiet about it too .. add to that Bruce Sterling and William Gibson, plus anybody ravi= ng over the Lord Of The Rings movies who haven't read the books should plainly shut the fuck u= p > 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: Lux Occulta and an original lineup Cabaret Voltaire > 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: Metallica, for fucks sake! And Front 242 from what i heard > 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: Uhm .. Can - Tago Mago if it hasn't yet and a whole lot of the Cabaret Vol= taire back catalogue > 17) Most overrated music of the year: Avril Lavigne and Metallica and all that fucking crap > 18) Most underrated music of the year: Uhm .. i would like to say the new Wire, but it ain't THAT good .. dunno .= . all the good bands i have heard this year got the respect they deserved, at least from their fa= ns > 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: Cabaret Voltaire, King Crimson, Tuxedomoon, Chrome and Godflesh are at lea= st five bands i spend a lot of time listening to > 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet Well, if it wasn't for certain list members, it would suck more than being= stuck in an elevator with Diamanda Galas > 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like = the > following to happen: That they take their break and keep the resurrection show going > 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain > your reaction Yes, Lokersefeesten in Belgium in August, waiting 19 years to see my fave = band live and then finally doing so, meeting them all and having a good time with local = friends and fellow Jokers there .. it was truly great > 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the r= ed > Krusty Clown? Anything but that and naked pictures of Bj=F6rk > 25) Favorite track on the new album: Blood On Your Hands > 26) Least favorite track on the new album: You mean shittiest? Tie between Loose Cannon and You'll Never Get To Me > 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have bee= n: Death & Resurrection Show, the short version as was on the web site .. it'= s a fucking ear ringer for all audiences > 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thought= s? Nopes > 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Kil= ling > Joke record? Robert Fripp :> > 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Blood On Your Hands > 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE > FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? No, cos i DON'T HAVE A FUCKING DIME .. that trip to Canada is still costin= g me .. > 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? Do you get a percentage from there? Uhm, i'd still like a blue shirt with the Revelations logo embroidered > 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White > House: Denis Leary > 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? On the contrary, at least he only oppressed people on a local scale > 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: Let him live in half of Bush's residence so they can play war with sticks = and stones in the back yard > 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Look for the upside down xmas tree .. that's not a tree, it's his beard dy= ed green because someone gave him a bunch of punk records > 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the > homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Definitely not, but they won't be the only ones > 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? Sure, there's nothing worth bombing here anyway > 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11= , > 2001? No > 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? At home, watching BBC News and chatting on IRC, drinking a crate of beer > 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would= be: To put Bush Sr., Bush Jr., Lars Ulrich and Eminem into the nastiest Asian = prison for life > 42) Tony Blair is a: _________. Fucking marionette > 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American D= ime > with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: BWA HA FUCKING HA! Didn't know that .. > 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why = you > feel this way. Support your argument: Complete idiot, he probably cannot even spell the word > 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation > better off: Bush's or Clinton's? Has Bush done ANYTHING which wasn't to support his own or his dad's pocket= s? > ::::END:::: b From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 01:28:17 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:28:17 +1100 Subject: [kj] Year end Poll Message-ID: Hey! Another Aussie! Welcome aboard mate. -S ~Analysis, Paralysis~ "Gary Howes" @misera.net on 19/12/2003 12:03:30 Please respond to gathering@misera.net Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net To: cc: Subject: [kj] Year end Poll 1) Your Name: Gary Howes 2) Your Age: Just turned 40 3) Are you married and have you any children? My son Jaz is now 5 years old (Big Jaz wrote him a message when we met in Sydney recently), and Bre, 9 years old. 4) I live here: Sydney, Australia 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: 2 weeks 6) What do you want for X-mas? 'The office' BBC TV show DVD 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? New Car. 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? Peace, and good news in the paper. 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it? =A0England half English- Billy Bragg. Good, but not great. 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favourite releases of the year? The Q Magazine 2003 collection had some good tracks 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they =A0rate? Echo and the Bunnymen -Ian was out of it for the first half, then sobered up. Billy Bragg -Good, but too many tuning up stoppages, remember Joe Strummer said "Who wants it to sound like the record? Me neither" 12) Worst music you heard all year: I turn it off if it's no good! 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: Undertones. 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: Rolling Stones 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and =A0re-release deluxe stylee: Never mind the bollocks 17) Most overrated music of the year: Nick Cave ( want to like him, but songs are always too weak) 18) Most underrated music of the year: KJ of course. 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favourite bands/artists are: Clash, Cocteau Twins, Smiths, Conflict and David Sylvian. 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet Long overdue, but thankfully now a reality 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: TO KEEP GOING STRONG 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? Real artfrom the band 25) Favourite track on the new album: You'll never get to me 26) Least favourite track on the new album: Asteroid 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: Seeing Red 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? No 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? Youth. 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Unto the ends of the earth 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? T-Shirts 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? Bumper sticker!!! 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: An honest person. 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? No. 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: Trail in the Hague. 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Pakistan. 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? No 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? Yes 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? No 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? Sydney, asleep. It was September 12th!!! 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: Reduce foreign intervention, look after my own people (I visit the US regularly and it is the poorest place I go, bar Asia.) 42) Tony Blair is a: __Sad shadow of his former self.. 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: It speaks for itself. Very deluded. 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: Just is... 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? Clinton, flawed but still human. Great work on Aids with Nelson proves his inner convictions. **************************************************************** NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the=20 addressee named above and may contain privileged and=20 confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not=20 disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you=20 received this message in error please notify HIC immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of HIC. **************************************************************** From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 02:09:03 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (MIchael) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:09:03 -0800 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 References: <20031218215912.79878.qmail@web10409.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003301c3c5d5$19548020$39b09b0c@dragonflke3gr5> > > > > 1) Your Name: Michael garcia > > > > 2) Your Age: 35 > > > > 3) Are you married and have you any children? > Not married but happily taken/.no children> > > > 4) I live here: Alameda, CA > > > > 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: 2001???? > > > > 6) What do you want for X-mas? New Mic - Blue Dragonfly> > > > 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? Maybe this coming year > > 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? Get a fucking records deal for crissakes!!. > > > > 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how > > is it? Swans - White light from the mouth of infinity (to replace my lost one) > > > > 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what > > were your top five > > favorite releases of the year? N/A > > 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they > > rate? New Model Army - Blew me away how intense two people could be. Very minimalist but extremely satisfying!> > > > 12) Worst music you heard all year: Most everything they play on the radio, but I'd have to say anything by Stained > > > > > > 14) Band(s) most in need of > > reforming/touring/releasing new material: SWANS> > > > 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and > > calling it a day: Sisters of Mercy since they are still technically a band.> > > > 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and > > re-release deluxe stylee: Early KJ ctalogue > > > > > > > 17) Most overrated music of the year: White Strips, The Darkness > > > > 18) Most underrated music of the year: > > > > 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite > > bands/artists are: Curve, Last Rites, Fields of teh nephilim, new model army, Electric Jesus (Shameful self promotion here, sorry> > > > 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on > > the Internet Horrible website, chatroom still not up.> > > > 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the > > rumormongering, I'd really like the > > following to happen: Obviously another album and live album, another tour with more varying setlists, and some goddamned radio airplay to get them out to the public. > > 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If > > so, briefly explain > > your reaction > > Yes, it was awesome. band sound but not their fault> > > > 24) What would you have rather seen on the album > > cover, other than the red > > Krusty Clown? A big fucking turd would have been mroe appealing > > > > 25) Favorite track on the new album: DR show > > > > 26) Least favorite track on the new album: You'll never get to me > > > > 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first > > single, it would have been: DR show > > > > 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" > > as yet? Your thoughts? Not yet > > > > 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see > > produce the next Killing > > Joke record? : Flood > > > > > > 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world > > today: Blood on your hands > > > > 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage > > yet? If not, WHAT THE > > FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Not yet, and I'm shamed not have not bought anything yet! > > > > 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike > > Coles estimable site? Videos, and demos. unreleased tracks> > > > 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see > > this man in the White > > House: Raven!@ > > > > 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has > > been apprehended? surely not > > > > 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam > > this way: Tried by his own people> > > > 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: in another hole like saddam> > > > 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of > > Islamists on the > > homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Of course not > > > > 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? > hmm > > > > 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the > > events of September 11, > > 2001? I cant answer that because I really dont know > > > > 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? >My alarm woke me up. I was half asleep and I heard DJ's that normally joke around, talking very seriously. They said something about "Turn your TV on now" and I did. I was horrified watching the events of that morning > > > > 41) Were you the next American president, your first > > act in office would be:. > > > > 42) Tony Blair is a: > > > > 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's > > face on the American Dime > > with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your > > reaction: I try not to use them > > > > 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. > > Explain your feeling why you > > feel this way. Support your argument: too many opinions here already. > > > > 45) Under which American administration was the > > world/your own situation > > better off: Bush's or Clinton's? I'd have to say Clinton's > > > > ::::END:::: > > > > > ===== > http://www.daiquiri.tvheaven.com > http://www.tweek.tvheaven.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 02:16:33 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Falcata-Galia Recordings) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:16:33 -0800 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: <003301c3c5d5$19548020$39b09b0c@dragonflke3gr5> Message-ID: <000001c3c5d6$257602b0$6600a8c0@rudolph> Michael; You wouldn't happen to know Joe Fallon, would you? Regards, Rudolph A. Carrera Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's Information Center http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of MIchael Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:09 PM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 > > > > 1) Your Name: Michael garcia > > > > 2) Your Age: 35 > > > > 3) Are you married and have you any children? > Not married but happily taken/.no children> > > > 4) I live here: Alameda, CA > > > > 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: 2001???? > > > > 6) What do you want for X-mas? New Mic - Blue Dragonfly> > > > 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? Maybe this coming year > > 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? Get a fucking records deal for crissakes!!. > > > > 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how > > is it? Swans - White light from the mouth of infinity (to replace my lost one) > > > > 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what > > were your top five > > favorite releases of the year? N/A > > 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they > > rate? New Model Army - Blew me away how intense two people could be. Very minimalist but extremely satisfying!> > > > 12) Worst music you heard all year: Most everything they play on the radio, but I'd have to say anything by Stained > > > > > > 14) Band(s) most in need of > > reforming/touring/releasing new material: SWANS> > > > 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and > > calling it a day: Sisters of Mercy since they are still technically a band.> > > > 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and > > re-release deluxe stylee: Early KJ ctalogue > > > > > > > 17) Most overrated music of the year: White Strips, The Darkness > > > > 18) Most underrated music of the year: > > > > 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite > > bands/artists are: Curve, Last Rites, Fields of teh nephilim, new model army, Electric Jesus (Shameful self promotion here, sorry> > > > 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on > > the Internet Horrible website, chatroom still not up.> > > > 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the > > rumormongering, I'd really like the > > following to happen: Obviously another album and live album, another tour with more varying setlists, and some goddamned radio airplay to get them out to the public. > > 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If > > so, briefly explain > > your reaction > > Yes, it was awesome. band sound but not their fault> > > > 24) What would you have rather seen on the album > > cover, other than the red > > Krusty Clown? A big fucking turd would have been mroe appealing > > > > 25) Favorite track on the new album: DR show > > > > 26) Least favorite track on the new album: You'll never get to me > > > > 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first > > single, it would have been: DR show > > > > 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" > > as yet? Your thoughts? Not yet > > > > 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see > > produce the next Killing > > Joke record? : Flood > > > > > > 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world > > today: Blood on your hands > > > > 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage > > yet? If not, WHAT THE > > FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Not yet, and I'm shamed not have not bought anything yet! > > > > 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike > > Coles estimable site? Videos, and demos. unreleased tracks> > > > 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see > > this man in the White > > House: Raven!@ > > > > 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has > > been apprehended? surely not > > > > 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam > > this way: Tried by his own people> > > > 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: in another hole like saddam> > > > 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of > > Islamists on the > > homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Of course not > > > > 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? > hmm > > > > 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the > > events of September 11, > > 2001? I cant answer that because I really dont know > > > > 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? >My alarm woke me up. I was half asleep and I heard DJ's that normally joke around, talking very seriously. They said something about "Turn your TV on now" and I did. I was horrified watching the events of that morning > > > > 41) Were you the next American president, your first > > act in office would be:. > > > > 42) Tony Blair is a: > > > > 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's > > face on the American Dime > > with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your > > reaction: I try not to use them > > > > 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. > > Explain your feeling why you > > feel this way. Support your argument: too many opinions here already. > > > > 45) Under which American administration was the > > world/your own situation > > better off: Bush's or Clinton's? I'd have to say Clinton's > > > > ::::END:::: > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > http://www.daiquiri.tvheaven.com > http://www.tweek.tvheaven.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 02:54:27 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (culture.virus) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:54:27 -0800 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: <200312181816.hBIIGwOf006595@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> References: <200312181816.hBIIGwOf006595@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031218173008.029ef7f0@127.0.0.1> At 10:17 AM 12/18/03, Alex wrote: >Alright. As threatened, herewith THE GATHERING YEAR-END POLL FOR 2003. >Most of you know how this works, but being that there are a lot of newbies >around these days, simply Cut'n Paste the following questionaire part of >this message into a new message and answer the questions as they apply to >you, and then send them to the Gathering (gathering@misera.net). This is >not a scientific nor deadly serious poll, so feel free to waive any >questions that you find too invasive, but by the same token -- don't be a >big pussy, answer the questions. It's only 45 questions, and most of them >are short, one or two word answers, so keep thy whining to thyself. > > >1) Your Name: Michael Jerome McDonald a.k.a "Jerry" > >2) Your Age: 38 > >3) Are you married and have you any children? yes w/a nearly 9 yo daughter > >4) I live here: Graham, WA USA > >5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: ah hell I dunno, well before >our Unspeakable comp was compiled > >6) What do you want for X-mas? World peace (and porn and alcohol) > >7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? I haven't been extravagant this year > >8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? To be extravagant again > >9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: The Decline and >Fall of The Upper Crust, because I enjoy spoof rock from time to time. >It's good if you like Kiss and AC/DC (dja hear that Alex?) > >10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five >favorite releases of the year? I don't pay any attention to what's new so >I have no idea. > >11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Saw these >dinosaurs of the post-punk scene called Murderous Pun or something like >that. Yeah they rated > >12) Worst music you heard all year: I heard Cher's cover of Dylan's "All I >Really Want To Do". I couldn't believe that she wasn't hunted down for >such an atrocity by good hippies everywhere > >13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, >I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be >restricted to music) I'd rather concentrate on something we might have in >common > >14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: I'd >like to hear some new Birthday Party material or Scratch Acid > >15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: Oh there's >plenty of 'em. My first choice would be Aerosmith > >16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: One >the Juggler - Nearly a Sin > >17) Most overrated music of the year: haven't a clue > >18) Most underrated music of the year: haven't a clue > >19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: Based on >the number of recordings in my collection it must be: Stone Roses, Gallon >Drunk, The Cars, Hank Williams Sr., Mike Knott/LSU and Hunters & Collectors > >20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet: Truth >be told I haven't really paid much attention except for downloading live >shows lately > >22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like >the following to happen: A solid reissue program! > >23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain >your reaction: Yup, I was just shy of orgasmic at times > >24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red >Krusty Clown? The words "death and resurrection show"! > >25) Favorite track on the new album: To my shame I haven't actually >purchased the new album yet > >26) Least favorite track on the new album: see above > >27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: >I'd have to say Seeing Red > >28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? >nope, no interest really > >29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next >Killing Joke record? Is Conny Plank still around? > >30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Dregs > >31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE >FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Nope. Horse choking wads of cash > >32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? >Mr Coles suggested new boxset is something I'd definitely spring for > >33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White >House: I'm not anti-Bush like most of the list. But I'd like to see what >Lieberman (sp?) would do at the helm > >34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? >Nope, I never saw him as a real threat to my personal safety > >35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: Continue >with the current scenario of secrecy until the new Iraqi government can >deal with him as they see fit. > >36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Hopefully close to meeting Allah > >37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the >homefront (US/UK/EUR)? I wish, but I think we'll see more > >38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? Yeah, but I live in a >very rural area, I'm not likely to ever feel the effects of such acts > >39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, >2001? Based on what is known, no. > >40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? Like most people on >the US west coast I was getting ready for work > >41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would >be: outlaw SUV's as threats to public safety > >42) Tony Blair is a: guy doin' the best he can with what he has, just like >the rest of us. > >43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American >Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: What for? > >44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why >you feel this way. Support your argument: False, you don't get to be the >leader of the worlds only surviving Superpower if you're an idiot. BTW I >don't think that people who are philosophically opposed to my ideas are >automatically an idiot. > >45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation >better off: Bush's or Clinton's? I work for the Boeing company in the >defense division. Toppling foreign dictators and bombing people keeps me >gainfully employed. > >::::END:::: I am culturevirus From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 03:06:53 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (MIchael) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:06:53 -0800 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 References: <000001c3c5d6$257602b0$6600a8c0@rudolph> Message-ID: <000c01c3c5dd$27938750$39b09b0c@dragonflke3gr5> Rudolph, I cant say for sure, the name sounds familliar though. E-mail me off teh group and let me know where he's from etc. Cheers Michael www.electric-jesus.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Falcata-Galia Recordings" To: Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:16 PM Subject: RE: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Michael; You wouldn't happen to know Joe Fallon, would you? Regards, Rudolph A. Carrera Falçata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's Information Center http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of MIchael Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:09 PM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 > > > > 1) Your Name: Michael garcia > > > > 2) Your Age: 35 > > > > 3) Are you married and have you any children? > Not married but happily taken/.no children> > > > 4) I live here: Alameda, CA > > > > 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: 2001???? > > > > 6) What do you want for X-mas? New Mic - Blue Dragonfly> > > > 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? Maybe this coming year > > 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? Get a fucking records deal for crissakes!!. > > > > 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how > > is it? Swans - White light from the mouth of infinity (to replace my lost one) > > > > 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what > > were your top five > > favorite releases of the year? N/A > > 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they > > rate? New Model Army - Blew me away how intense two people could be. Very minimalist but extremely satisfying!> > > > 12) Worst music you heard all year: Most everything they play on the radio, but I'd have to say anything by Stained > > > > > > 14) Band(s) most in need of > > reforming/touring/releasing new material: SWANS> > > > 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and > > calling it a day: Sisters of Mercy since they are still technically a band.> > > > 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and > > re-release deluxe stylee: Early KJ ctalogue > > > > > > > 17) Most overrated music of the year: White Strips, The Darkness > > > > 18) Most underrated music of the year: > > > > 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite > > bands/artists are: Curve, Last Rites, Fields of teh nephilim, new model army, Electric Jesus (Shameful self promotion here, sorry> > > > 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on > > the Internet Horrible website, chatroom still not up.> > > > 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the > > rumormongering, I'd really like the > > following to happen: Obviously another album and live album, another tour with more varying setlists, and some goddamned radio airplay to get them out to the public. > > 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If > > so, briefly explain > > your reaction > > Yes, it was awesome. band sound but not their fault> > > > 24) What would you have rather seen on the album > > cover, other than the red > > Krusty Clown? A big fucking turd would have been mroe appealing > > > > 25) Favorite track on the new album: DR show > > > > 26) Least favorite track on the new album: You'll never get to me > > > > 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first > > single, it would have been: DR show > > > > 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" > > as yet? Your thoughts? Not yet > > > > 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see > > produce the next Killing > > Joke record? : Flood > > > > > > 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world > > today: Blood on your hands > > > > 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage > > yet? If not, WHAT THE > > FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Not yet, and I'm shamed not have not bought anything yet! > > > > 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike > > Coles estimable site? Videos, and demos. unreleased tracks> > > > 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see > > this man in the White > > House: Raven!@ > > > > 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has > > been apprehended? surely not > > > > 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam > > this way: Tried by his own people> > > > 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: in another hole like saddam> > > > 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of > > Islamists on the > > homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Of course not > > > > 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? > hmm > > > > 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the > > events of September 11, > > 2001? I cant answer that because I really dont know > > > > 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? >My alarm woke me up. I was half asleep and I heard DJ's that normally joke around, talking very seriously. They said something about "Turn your TV on now" and I did. I was horrified watching the events of that morning > > > > 41) Were you the next American president, your first > > act in office would be:. > > > > 42) Tony Blair is a: > > > > 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's > > face on the American Dime > > with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your > > reaction: I try not to use them > > > > 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. > > Explain your feeling why you > > feel this way. Support your argument: too many opinions here already. > > > > 45) Under which American administration was the > > world/your own situation > > better off: Bush's or Clinton's? I'd have to say Clinton's > > > > ::::END:::: > > > > > ===== > http://www.daiquiri.tvheaven.com > http://www.tweek.tvheaven.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 03:17:12 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dave Axford) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:17:12 -0500 Subject: [kj] Revelations Embroidered Shirt Message-ID: <009d01c3c5de$98386470$826f8a3f@Joker> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01C3C5B4.AF3028E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bo said: Uhm, i'd still like a blue shirt with the Revelations logo embroidered I like that idea very much. Even a 'golf shirt' (short sleeved, three = buttons and a collar) would be classy. I also like Alex in NYC's idea about a large, blue "Revelations" coffee = mug. Mr Coles, Are You Receiving? Dave ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01C3C5B4.AF3028E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Bo=20 said:
 
Uhm, i'd still = like a blue=20 shirt with the Revelations logo embroidered
 
I like that idea very = much. Even a=20 'golf shirt' (short sleeved, three buttons and a collar) would be =20 classy.
I also like Alex in = NYC's idea about=20 a large, blue "Revelations" coffee mug.
 
Mr Coles, Are You=20 Receiving?
 
Dave


------=_NextPart_000_009A_01C3C5B4.AF3028E0-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 03:20:36 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (The Exorcist) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:20:36 -0500 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: <200312181816.hBIIGwOf006595@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> References: <200312181816.hBIIGwOf006595@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20031218215427.01deddf8@mail.speakeasy.net> --=====================_159420281==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:17 PM 12/18/2003, you wrote: >Alright. As threatened, herewith THE GATHERING YEAR-END POLL FOR 2003. >Most of you know how this works, but being that there are a lot of newbies >around these days, simply Cut'n Paste the following questionaire part of >this message into a new message and answer the questions as they apply to >you, and then send them to the Gathering (gathering@misera.net). This is >not a scientific nor deadly serious poll, so feel free to waive any >questions that you find too invasive, but by the same token -- don't be a >big pussy, answer the questions. It's only 45 questions, and most of them >are short, one or two word answers, so keep thy whining to thyself. > > >1) Your Name: Yossy >2) Your Age: 25 > >3) Are you married and have you any children? No and No > >4) I live here: Brooklyn, NY > >5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: 96 or 97 if i recall correctly > >6) What do you want for X-mas? A chanuka present! > >7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? 900 dollars on the Sont STR DA >5000 ES and KJ paraphenlia > >8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? Make $$$$$$$$ > >9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: Killing Joke >Killing Joke, it was totally bitchin! > >10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five >favorite releases of the year? No Idea but got ltos of good mp3's. heh! > >11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Killing Joke, >Android Lust, Tapping The vein. All were great > >12) Worst music you heard all year: Anything on the radio (just about) > >13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, >I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be >restricted to music) Radical Muslim ideals, suicide bombing, Techno, Trance. Liberal Left, Martha stewart, Dirk's Mom. The list goes on and on and on! *grin* >14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: Dead >Can Dance, Mazzy Star, I'd like another album by Senser as well, Swans > >15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: Anyone who >sucks! > >16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: Be >damned if I know. > >17) Most overrated music of the year: Don't listen to the radi but most of >that bullshit is over rated. > >18) Most underrated music of the year: Killing Joke. end of story! > >19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: Dead Can >Dance, Eva Cassidy, Swans, Zohar Argov, Yungchen Lhamo (names are subject >to change) > >20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet: Not >much to say. Would like a master archive with all articles, info, >interviews etc.. > >22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like >the following to happen: More Touring, A longer show and some new stuff. > >23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain >your reaction: Yes, I left with sore hands, sore back, sore legs and no >voice. Need I go on? > >24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red >Krusty Clown? I'd leave that up to Mr. Coles. Ive always been happy with >his work. (Rob's Arse?) > >25) Favorite track on the new album: Dark Forces (but it's really iffy, I >dig em all hard to pick one) > >26) Least favorite track on the new album: Wardance remake. I could've >lived without it. > >27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have >been: Dark Forces > >28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? >No and I never think. Empty head baby! Sheer Bliss!!! > >29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next >Killing Joke record? No Clue > >30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Age Of Greed > >31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE >FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Yes, and more than my share! (with more to go >soon enuf) > >32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? >KJ Sweatshirts. In the winter time I need something to represent KJ as >well. Coffee Mug. Jaz Coleman Edible panties for the lady??? >33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White >House: You guys gonna ahte me for this. but G. W. BUSH > >34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? I >never felt at harm. But the murderous bastard deserves to rot. > >35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: Put him up >in Bagdad Square. Giver every Iraqi that was ever hurt by him or his >actions a needle and let everyone give him one poke. That should suffice. Maybe he will at the end become a holy man. >36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Strapped down to some Clinical table >getting ass fucked by a german Mistress with a giant strap on. For exact >locations. Ask Dirk. He knows them all! *grin* >37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the >homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Doubtfull. Hate lasts forever. > >38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? Nothing to prepare. >take it as it comes. > >39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, >2001? Unsure. Don't know enough > >40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? I was home sleeping. >When I got a call from florida by a friend to see how I am. > >41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would >be: Make official Porno day a federal Holiday > >42) Tony Blair is a: _________. Homosapien > >43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American >Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: Won't happen. Reagan family doesn't want it. And I don't give a shit. FDR was a cocksucker >44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why >you feel this way. Support your argument: I'll decide in a few years. In the meantime you cn all bite each others heads off with your "opinions" >45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation >better off: Bush's or Clinton's? Can't answer that. Sorry >::::END:::: --=====================_159420281==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 01:17 PM 12/18/2003, you wrote:


Alright. As threatened, herewith THE GATHERING YEAR-END POLL FOR 2003. Most of you know how this works, but being that there are a lot of newbies around these days, simply Cut'n Paste the following questionaire part of this message into a new message and answer the questions as they apply to you, and then send them to the Gathering  (gathering@misera.net). This is not a scientific nor deadly serious poll, so feel free to waive any questions that you find too invasive, but by the same token -- don't be a big pussy, answer the questions.  It's only 45 questions, and most of them are short, one or two word answers, so keep thy whining to thyself.


1) Your Name:     Yossy


2) Your Age:    25

3) Are you married and have you any children?  No and No

4) I live here:    Brooklyn, NY

5) I've been a member of the Gathering since:  96 or 97 if i recall correctly

6) What do you want for X-mas?    A chanuka present!

7) Your biggest extravagance of the year?  900 dollars on the Sont STR DA 5000 ES and KJ paraphenlia

8) Your biggest hopes for 2004?   Make $$$$$$$$

9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?:  Killing Joke Killing Joke, it was totally bitchin!

10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? No Idea but got ltos of good mp3's. heh!

11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Killing Joke, Android Lust, Tapping The vein. All were great

12) Worst music you heard all year: Anything on the radio (just about)

13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music)

Radical Muslim ideals, suicide bombing, Techno, Trance. Liberal Left, Martha stewart, Dirk's Mom. The list goes on and on and on! *grin*

14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: Dead Can Dance, Mazzy Star, I'd like another album by Senser as well, Swans

15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: Anyone who sucks!

16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: Be damned if I know.

17) Most overrated music of the year: Don't listen to the radi but most of that bullshit is over rated.

18) Most underrated music of the year: Killing Joke. end of story!

19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: Dead Can Dance, Eva Cassidy, Swans, Zohar Argov, Yungchen Lhamo (names are subject to change)

20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet: Not much to say. Would like a master archive with all articles, info, interviews etc..

22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: More Touring, A longer show and some new stuff.

23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction: Yes, I left with sore hands, sore back, sore legs and no voice. Need I go on?

24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? I'd leave that up to Mr. Coles. Ive always been happy with his work. (Rob's Arse?)

25) Favorite track on the new album: Dark Forces (but it's really iffy, I dig em all hard to pick one)

26) Least favorite track on the new album:  Wardance remake. I could've lived without it.

27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been:   Dark Forces

28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? No and I never think. Empty head baby! Sheer Bliss!!!

29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? No Clue

30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today:  Age Of Greed

31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Yes, and more than my share! (with more to go soon enuf)

32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? KJ Sweatshirts. In the winter time I need something to represent KJ as well. Coffee Mug.
Jaz Coleman Edible panties for the lady???

33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: You guys gonna ahte me for this. but  G. W. BUSH

34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? I never felt at harm. But the murderous bastard deserves to rot.

35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: Put him up in Bagdad Square. Giver every Iraqi that was ever hurt by him or his actions a needle
and let everyone give him one poke. That should suffice. Maybe he will at the end become a holy man.

36) Where is Osama Bin Laden:  Strapped down to some Clinical table getting ass fucked by a german Mistress with a giant strap on. For exact locations. Ask Dirk.
He knows them all!   *grin*


37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Doubtfull. Hate lasts forever.

38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? Nothing to prepare. take it as it comes.

39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? Unsure. Don't know enough

40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? I was home sleeping. When I got a call from florida by a friend to see how I am.

41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: Make official Porno day a federal Holiday

42) Tony Blair is a: _________. Homosapien

43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction:
Won't happen. Reagan family doesn't want it. And I don't give a shit. FDR was a cocksucker


44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument:

I'll decide in a few years. In the meantime you cn all bite each others heads off with your "opinions"

45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's?
Can't answer that. Sorry



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--=====================_159420281==.ALT-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 03:21:13 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Christof hamille) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:21:13 -0500 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Message-ID: >1) Your Name: Chris Hamilton aka Christophe hamille...I don't remeber the rest of 'em > >2) Your Age: Old enough > >3) Are you married and have you any children? married. no kids > >4) I live here: Detroit, Michigan hey hey the Home of Rock 'n' Roll (excerpt from Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band, Live Bullet) > >5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: I think 2000. but it is a blur > >6) What do you want for X-mas? well...seeing that I do not believe in celebrating the birth of some savior called Jesus I feel silly asking for anything. But if I had to...not sure. > >10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what uhh...Turbonegro Scandinavian Leather. Concrete Sox REReleases (counts as 2 and they are from the mid 80s ). Queens of the Stone Age Songs for the Deaf (was that this year?). That is all I got > >12) Worst music you heard all year: Bands like Simple Plan or the Ataris or anything remotely like that > >14) Band(s) most in need of >reforming/touring/releasing new material: Killing Joke (again), Doom, Dropdead, Spinal Tap > >15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling >it a day: Aerosmith, followed closely by KISS. Agreed wholeheartedly (I still want my money back from KISS for their "Farewell Tour") > >17) Most overrated music of the year: See question 12 and add John Mayer type of crap. What the fuck is so great about this shit? > >18) Most underrated music of the year: Killing Joke and Tom Waits. Any year. > >19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite >bands/artists are: Tom Waits Radio Birdman OLD KISS (up to Creatures of the Night. Yes I know the Elder and Unamsked suck real hard.) DOOM Turbonegro > >20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on >the Internet It is there. Not that great. Works poorly. The fan sites are better than the real/legite thing > >22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the >rumormongering, I'd really like the following to >happen: Don't fucking stop!!! And at least try to get Big Paul in somewhere. but Keep Ted and Paul. > >24) What would you have rather seen on the album >cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? Some real thought and time spent on the idea. One of the weakest album art I have ever seen. > >25) Favorite track on the new album: Blood On Your Hands. But it is always changing. > >26) Least favorite track on the new album: Loose Cannon > >27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, >it would have been: Seeing Red, Blood On Your Hands or Asteroid. Any one of those > >28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as >yet? Your thoughts? No. But the wife has and she says I would dig it. > >29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next >Killing >Joke record? I don't know and barely care. Put Mr. Thirlwell at the controls > >30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: I don't know.. Blood On Your Hands > >31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE >FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? $$$˘˘˘$$$ > >32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? Lighters and Oven mits. I think Mr. Coles is doing a bang up job. And whatever he does will be great. > >33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White >House: Who cares. Either way it'll be shit. > >34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? Who? Oh right! Nope. > >35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: pppbbbssstt!!! Come on! Does it matter? NEXT! > >36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: NEXT!! > >37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the >homefront (US/UK/EUR)? NEXT!!! > >38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? JESUS CHRIST! NEXT!!!! > >39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, >2001? As much as Mr. Bush, the Canadians and the NFL. NEXT!!!!! > >40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? I was at school (college). > >41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would >be: NEEXXTT!!!!!! > >42) Tony Blair is a: _________. ARRGGHHHHHGHGH!!! NEXXXTTT!!!!!!! >43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime >with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: I say put Reagan on the $1000 bill. Nobody sees it or uses them. > >44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you >feel this way. Support your argument: I am stopping right here. No offense Alex. > >45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation >better off: Bush's or Clinton's? Shit! A lot of good that did last question. They both sucked equally for different reasons. Either asshole stink. > >::::END:::: _________________________________________________________________ Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 03:23:59 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Christof hamille) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:23:59 -0500 Subject: [kj] Revelations Embroidered Shirt Message-ID: I think a embroidered shirt would be cool...but...do not put on a golf/polo shirt. Those are like the mullets of shirts. Business on top but partying down below. I like the coffee mug idea a lot but also a good hat and/or a stocking cap. You know Raven will wear it. Chris >From: "Dave Axford" >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >To: >Subject: [kj] Revelations Embroidered Shirt >Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:17:12 -0500 > > >Bo said: > >Uhm, i'd still like a blue shirt with the Revelations logo embroidered > >I like that idea very much. Even a 'golf shirt' (short sleeved, three >buttons and a collar) would be classy. >I also like Alex in NYC's idea about a large, blue "Revelations" coffee >mug. > >Mr Coles, Are You Receiving? > >Dave > > _________________________________________________________________ Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 03:30:00 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:30:00 +1100 Subject: [kj] Revelations Embroidered Shirt Message-ID: Personally, I'd love to be decked out in KILLING JOKE golf shirt & cap the next time I tee off... -S (who plays golf in Doc Martens) "Christof hamille" @misera.net on 19/12/2003 14:23:59 Please respond to gathering@misera.net Sent by: gathering-admin@misera.net To: gathering@misera.net cc: Subject: RE: [kj] Revelations Embroidered Shirt I think a embroidered shirt would be cool...but...do not put on a golf/polo shirt. Those are like the mullets of shirts. Business on top but partying down below. I like the coffee mug idea a lot but also a good hat and/or a stocking cap. You know Raven will wear it. Chris >From: "Dave Axford" >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >To: >Subject: [kj] Revelations Embroidered Shirt >Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:17:12 -0500 > > >Bo said: > >Uhm, i'd still like a blue shirt with the Revelations logo embroidered > >I like that idea very much. Even a 'golf shirt' (short sleeved, three >buttons and a collar) would be classy. >I also like Alex in NYC's idea about a large, blue "Revelations" coffee >mug. > >Mr Coles, Are You Receiving? > >Dave > > _________________________________________________________________ Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering **************************************************************** NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you received this message in error please notify HIC immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of HIC. **************************************************************** From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 03:32:01 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Thomas Kennedy) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:32:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: <200312181816.hBIIGwOf006595@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20031219033201.71459.qmail@web80410.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1584476693-1071804721=:70999 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 1) Your Name: Tom Kennedy 2) Your Age: 35 3) Are you married and have you any children? Negatory. 4) I live here: San Francisco, CA USA 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: 1999 6) What do you want for X-mas? Rose McGowan : ) 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? yah, right! 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? get another band going (why I bother, I don't know....) 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: SQUEEZE - greatest hits. 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? NA 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? F-SPACE!!!.....they rated muy bien! 12) Worst music you heard all year: not enough space for answer... 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music) PHISH 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: CUBANATE, THE POGUES 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: THE DICKIES 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: 17) Most overrated music of the year: 18) Most underrated music of the year: 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: TSOL, (early) FAITH NO MORE, FIELDS OF THE NEPHILIM, THE DAMNED, JOY DIVISION/NEW ORDER 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet nominal 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: RELEASE ALL THEIR VIDEOS ON DVD!!! (you dumbfucks!) 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction Yes I did, and it was fucking awesome. 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? Mike Coles should have done it... 25) Favorite track on the new album: Inferno. 26) Least favorite track on the new album: You'll never get to me. 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: Death and resurrection show. 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? No, where's it playing? 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? Chris Vrenna. 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Money is not our God. 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Yes, two shirts. 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? some 'Night Time' shirts 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: any Green Party candidate. 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? a little. 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: Public trial in Iraq. 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: still in Afghanistan. 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? I would wager no. 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? Depends on what it is. 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? Maybe a little. 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? In my economics class at SDSU. 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: Aggressively pursue alternative fuel source other than oil for cars, ie, electric power. 42) Tony Blair is a: _________. GW Bush ball-licker... 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: fuck that! 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: He's far from an idiot - look how he rigged getting into office! 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? fuck both. ::::END:::: Alex Smith wrote: Alright. As threatened, herewith THE GATHERING YEAR-END POLL FOR 2003. Most of you know how this works, but being that there are a lot of newbies around these days, simply Cut'n Paste the following questionaire part of this message into a new message and answer the questions as they apply to you, and then send them to the Gathering (gathering@misera.net). This is not a scientific nor deadly serious poll, so feel free to waive any questions that you find too invasive, but by the same token -- don't be a big pussy, answer the questions. It's only 45 questions, and most of them are short, one or two word answers, so keep thy whining to thyself. 1) Your Name: 2) Your Age: 3) Are you married and have you any children? 4) I live here: 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: 6) What do you want for X-mas? 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? 12) Worst music you heard all year: 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music) 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: 17) Most overrated music of the year: 18) Most underrated music of the year: 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? 25) Favorite track on the new album: 26) Least favorite track on the new album: 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: 42) Tony Blair is a: _________. 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? ::::END:::: --0-1584476693-1071804721=:70999 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
1) Your Name:  Tom Kennedy

2) Your Age:  35

3) Are you married and have you any children?  Negatory.

4) I live here:  San Francisco, CA  USA

5) I've been a member of the Gathering since:  1999

6) What do you want for X-mas?  Rose McGowan  : )

7) Your biggest extravagance of the year?  yah, right!

8) Your biggest hopes for 2004?  get another band going (why I bother, I don't know....)

9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?:   SQUEEZE - greatest hits.

10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year?  NA

11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate?  F-SPACE!!!.....they rated muy bien!

12) Worst music you heard all year:  not enough space for answer...

13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music)   PHISH

14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material:  CUBANATE, THE POGUES

15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day:  THE DICKIES

16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee:

17) Most overrated music of the year:

18) Most underrated music of the year:

19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are:  TSOL, (early) FAITH NO MORE, FIELDS OF THE NEPHILIM, THE  DAMNED, JOY DIVISION/NEW ORDER

20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet  nominal

22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen:  RELEASE ALL THEIR VIDEOS ON DVD!!!  (you dumbfucks!)

23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction  Yes I did, and it was fucking awesome.

24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown?   Mike Coles should have done it...

25) Favorite track on the new album:  Inferno.

26) Least favorite track on the new album:  You'll never get to me.

27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been:  Death and resurrection show.

28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts?  No, where's it playing?

29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record?  Chris Vrenna.

30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today:  Money is not our God.

31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR?  Yes, two shirts.

32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site?  some 'Night Time' shirts

33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House:  any Green Party candidate.

34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended?  a little.

35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way:  Public trial in Iraq.

36) Where is Osama Bin Laden:  still in Afghanistan.

37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)?  I would wager no.

38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance?  Depends on what it is.

39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001?  Maybe a little.

40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day?  In my economics class at SDSU.

41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be:  Aggressively pursue alternative fuel source other than oil for cars, ie, electric power.

42) Tony Blair is a: _________.  GW Bush ball-licker...

43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction:  fuck that!

44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument:   He's far from an idiot - look how he rigged getting into office!

45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's?  fuck both.

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Alex Smith <vassifer@earthlink.net> wrote:


Alright. As threatened, herewith THE GATHERING YEAR-END POLL FOR 2003. Most of you know how this works, but being that there are a lot of newbies around these days, simply Cut'n Paste the following questionaire part of this message into a new message and answer the questions as they apply to you, and then send them to the Gathering  (gathering@misera.net). This is not a scientific nor deadly serious poll, so feel free to waive any questions that you find too invasive, but by the same token -- don't be a big pussy, answer the questions.  It's only 45 questions, and most of them are short, one or two word answers, so keep thy whining to thyself.


1) Your Name:

2) Your Age:

3) Are you married and have you any children?

4) I live here:

5) I've been a member of the Gathering since:

6) What do you want for X-mas?

7) Your biggest extravagance of the year?

8) Your biggest hopes for 2004?

9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?:

10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year?

11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate?

12) Worst music you heard all year:

13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music)

14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material:

15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day:

16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee:

17) Most overrated music of the year:

18) Most underrated music of the year:

19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are:

20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet

22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen:

23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction

24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown?

25) Favorite track on the new album:

26) Least favorite track on the new album:

27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been:

28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts?

29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record?

30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today:

31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR?

32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site?

33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House:

34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended?

35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way:

36) Where is Osama Bin Laden:

37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)?

38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance?

39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001?

40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day?

41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be:

42) Tony Blair is a: _________.

43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction:

44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument:

45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's?

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--0-1584476693-1071804721=:70999-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 03:55:22 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Falcata-Galia Recordings) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:55:22 -0800 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: <000c01c3c5dd$27938750$39b09b0c@dragonflke3gr5> Message-ID: <000701c3c5e3$f471c290$6600a8c0@rudolph> Hi Michael; He lives in Alhambra / Pasadena area, and was a huge fan of KJ. I grew up with the guy and was checking to see if he's still on the list. Regards, Rudolph A. Carrera Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's Information Center http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of MIchael Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 7:07 PM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Rudolph, I cant say for sure, the name sounds familliar though. E-mail me off teh group and let me know where he's from etc. Cheers Michael www.electric-jesus.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Falcata-Galia Recordings" To: Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:16 PM Subject: RE: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Michael; You wouldn't happen to know Joe Fallon, would you? Regards, Rudolph A. Carrera Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's Information Center http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of MIchael Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:09 PM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 > > > > 1) Your Name: Michael garcia > > > > 2) Your Age: 35 > > > > 3) Are you married and have you any children? > Not married but happily taken/.no children> > > > 4) I live here: Alameda, CA > > > > 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: 2001???? > > > > 6) What do you want for X-mas? New Mic - Blue Dragonfly> > > > 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? Maybe this coming year > > 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? Get a fucking records deal for crissakes!!. > > > > 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how > > is it? Swans - White light from the mouth of infinity (to replace my lost one) > > > > 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what > > were your top five > > favorite releases of the year? N/A > > 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they > > rate? New Model Army - Blew me away how intense two people could be. Very minimalist but extremely satisfying!> > > > 12) Worst music you heard all year: Most everything they play on the radio, but I'd have to say anything by Stained > > > > > > 14) Band(s) most in need of > > reforming/touring/releasing new material: SWANS> > > > 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and > > calling it a day: Sisters of Mercy since they are still technically a band.> > > > 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and > > re-release deluxe stylee: Early KJ ctalogue > > > > > > > 17) Most overrated music of the year: White Strips, The Darkness > > > > 18) Most underrated music of the year: > > > > 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite > > bands/artists are: Curve, Last Rites, Fields of teh nephilim, new model army, Electric Jesus (Shameful self promotion here, sorry> > > > 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on > > the Internet Horrible website, chatroom still not up.> > > > 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the > > rumormongering, I'd really like the > > following to happen: Obviously another album and live album, another tour with more varying setlists, and some goddamned radio airplay to get them out to the public. > > 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If > > so, briefly explain > > your reaction > > Yes, it was awesome. band sound but not their fault> > > > 24) What would you have rather seen on the album > > cover, other than the red > > Krusty Clown? A big fucking turd would have been mroe appealing > > > > 25) Favorite track on the new album: DR show > > > > 26) Least favorite track on the new album: You'll never get to me > > > > 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first > > single, it would have been: DR show > > > > 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" > > as yet? Your thoughts? Not yet > > > > 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see > > produce the next Killing > > Joke record? : Flood > > > > > > 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world > > today: Blood on your hands > > > > 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage > > yet? If not, WHAT THE > > FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Not yet, and I'm shamed not have not bought anything yet! > > > > 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike > > Coles estimable site? Videos, and demos. unreleased tracks> > > > 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see > > this man in the White > > House: Raven!@ > > > > 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has > > been apprehended? surely not > > > > 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam > > this way: Tried by his own people> > > > 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: in another hole like saddam> > > > 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of > > Islamists on the > > homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Of course not > > > > 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? > hmm > > > > 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the > > events of September 11, > > 2001? I cant answer that because I really dont know > > > > 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? >My alarm woke me up. I was half asleep and I heard DJ's that normally joke around, talking very seriously. They said something about "Turn your TV on now" and I did. I was horrified watching the events of that morning > > > > 41) Were you the next American president, your first > > act in office would be:. > > > > 42) Tony Blair is a: > > > > 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's > > face on the American Dime > > with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your > > reaction: I try not to use them > > > > 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. > > Explain your feeling why you > > feel this way. Support your argument: too many opinions here already. > > > > 45) Under which American administration was the > > world/your own situation > > better off: Bush's or Clinton's? I'd have to say Clinton's > > > > ::::END:::: > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > http://www.daiquiri.tvheaven.com > http://www.tweek.tvheaven.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 04:03:10 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (william) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:03:10 -0800 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 References: <200312181816.hBIIGwOf006595@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <002501c3c5e5$04834400$5b46cf18@d2k3a5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C3C5A1.F5F3ADA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 1) Your Name:william harris =20 2) Your Age:46 [am i older than colesy?] 3) Are you married and have you any children? yup and = yup::boy,21yr...girl 18 yr. 4) I live here:vancouver,bc 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since:sept03 6) What do you want for X-mas?world peace....and if i can't have = that,the guided by voices box set 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year?$200 pair of = blundstones....never have i spent that much onn a pair of boots ! 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? for my sons job to go full time. 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: disco inferno = "technicolour",coz i heard it was a *classic*...and it is. 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five = favorite releases of the year?hmmmm...i doubt my response would be the = same next week,but hear goes:: the mars volta"...comatorium"/ tujiko = noriko"from tokyo to naiagara"/ desert sessions 9&10/ the constantines = "shine a light"/ manitoba "up in flames" 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate?KJ = =3Dgodlike...b flieschmann/jel/ms.john soda =3D nice 12) Worst music you heard all year: postal service "give up" ...only = because i set my expectations too high. 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of = ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need = not be restricted to music) george bush 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: = three mile pilot 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day:=20 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: = modern eon "fiction tales" 17) Most overrated music of the year: beyonce/ja rule/jay z et all 18) Most underrated music of the year:aside from the joke....circle and = a handful of other finnish bands like ektroverde,pharoah overlord and = magyar posse. 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists = are:circle/led zeppelin/leatherface/rocket from the crypt/hot snakes/pj = harvey....to hard to narrow to 5. 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet don't = really have any [views] 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like = the following to happen:new album,another vancouver appearance. 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain = your reaction see #11 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the = red Krusty Clown? nothing [would be better] 25) Favorite track on the new album: death & resurrection show 26) Least favorite track on the new album: asteroid 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have = been: seeing red 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your = thoughts? not yet 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next = Killing Joke record? gotta side with albini 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: blood on your = hands 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE = FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR?ermm....not yet. 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? = killing joke rareitities cd. 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White = House: n/a 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? = nope 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: kinda = surprised he didn' t just *disappear* 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: night clerk at a 7-11 in dayton. 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the = homefront (US/UK/EUR)? not a chance 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? ditto above 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September = 11, 2001? again,no. 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? sleeping....then i = went and sat outside starbucks watching the jetplanes circling overhead. 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would = be: to put some cash into medical,housing and feeding the poor. 42) Tony Blair is a: _________.mini-me 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American = Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: might as = well put nixon on the penny while they are at it. 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why = you feel this way. Support your argument: true....omg alex....i cannot = limit it to one word /sentence answers 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation = better off: Bush's or Clinton's? that's the only choices? clintons i = guess. ::::END:::: ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C3C5A1.F5F3ADA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03


1) Your Name:william = harris   =20    

2) Your Age:46 = [am i older=20 than colesy?]

3) Are you married and have you any = children? yup and yup::boy,21yr...girl 18 yr.

4) I = live=20 here:vancouver,bc
 
5) I've been a member of the Gathering since:sept03

6) What do you want for X-mas?world peace....and if i can't have that,the guided by = voices box=20 set

7) Your biggest extravagance of the year?$200 pair of blundstones....never have i spent that much = onn a=20 pair of boots !

8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? for my sons job to go full time.

9) What = was the=20 last album you bought,why, and how is it?: disco = inferno=20 "technicolour",coz i heard it was a *classic*...and it = is.

10) Not=20 including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite = releases=20 of the year?hmmmm...i doubt my response would be = the same=20 next week,but hear goes:: the mars volta"...comatorium"/ tujiko = noriko"from=20 tokyo to naiagara"/ desert sessions 9&10/ the constantines "shine a = light"/=20 manitoba "up in flames"

11) What live bands have you seen = recently.=20 Did they rate?KJ =3Dgodlike...b = flieschmann/jel/ms.john soda =3D=20 nice

12) Worst music you heard all year: postal service "give up" ...only because i set my = expectations too=20 high.

13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is = a big=20 fan of ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your = answer need=20 not be restricted to music)
george=20 bush
 
14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new = material: three mile pilot

15) Band(s) most in need = of=20 hanging it up and calling it a day: =

16)=20 Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: modern eon "fiction tales"

17) Most = overrated music=20 of the year: beyonce/ja rule/jay z et=20 all

18) Most underrated music of the year:aside from the joke....circle and a handful of other = finnish bands=20 like ektroverde,pharoah overlord and magyar posse.

19) = Next to=20 Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are:circle/led zeppelin/leatherface/rocket from the = crypt/hot=20 snakes/pj harvey....to hard to narrow to 5.

20) Express = your views=20 on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet don't = really have=20 any [views]

22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the=20 rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen:new=20 album,another vancouver appearance.

23) Did you get to see = Killing=20 Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction see = #11

24) What=20 would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty = Clown? nothing [would be better]

25) = Favorite=20 track on the new album: death & = resurrection=20 show

26) Least favorite track on the new album: asteroid

27) Were it up to you to have = chosen the=20 first single, it would have been: seeing=20 red

28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as = yet?=20 Your thoughts? not yet

29) Outside = of Andy=20 Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? = gotta side with albini

30) Killing Joke = track that=20 best sums up the world today: blood on your=20 hands

31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage = yet? If=20 not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR?ermm....not = yet.

32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike = Coles=20 estimable site? killing joke rareitities=20 cd.

33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this = man in=20 the White House: n/a

34) Do you feel = 'safer'=20 now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? nope

35) Now that he's in custody, I would = handle=20 Saddam this way: kinda surprised he  = didn' t=20 just  *disappear*

36) Where is Osama Bin = Laden:  night clerk at a 7-11 in = dayton.

37) Have we=20 seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront=20 (US/UK/EUR)? not a chance

38) Do you = feel=20 prepared for another such instance? ditto=20 above

39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the = events of=20 September 11, 2001? again,no.

40) = Where were=20 you/what were you doing on that day? = sleeping....then i went=20 and sat outside starbucks watching the jetplanes circling=20 overhead.

41) Were you the next American president, your = first act=20 in office would be: to put some cash into = medical,housing=20 and feeding the poor.

42) Tony Blair is a: _________.mini-me

43) They want replace Franklin = Delano=20 Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. = What is=20 your reaction: might as well put nixon on the = penny while=20 they are at it.

44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or = False.=20 Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: true....omg alex....i cannot limit it to one word = /sentence=20 answers

45) Under which American administration was the = world/your=20 own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? = that's the=20 only choices? clintons i=20 guess.

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------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C3C5A1.F5F3ADA0-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 04:21:48 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (The Exorcist) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:21:48 -0500 Subject: [kj] Fallon info In-Reply-To: <000001c3c5d6$257602b0$6600a8c0@rudolph> References: <003301c3c5d5$19548020$39b09b0c@dragonflke3gr5> <000001c3c5d6$257602b0$6600a8c0@rudolph> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20031218232027.035f2ec0@mail.speakeasy.net> JOSEPH FALLON" Enjoy! At 09:16 PM 12/18/2003, you wrote: >Michael; > >You wouldn't happen to know Joe Fallon, would you? > >Regards, > >Rudolph A. Carrera >Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings >http://www.falcata-galia.com >Tariff Records >http://www.tariffrecords.com >Rudy's Information Center >http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On >Behalf Of MIchael >Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:09 PM >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 04:28:36 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Falcata-Galia Recordings) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:28:36 -0800 Subject: [kj] Fallon info In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20031218232027.035f2ec0@mail.speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <000201c3c5e8$9a5fccc0$6600a8c0@rudolph> Thanks. Regards, Rudolph A. Carrera Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's Information Center http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:22 PM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: [kj] Fallon info JOSEPH FALLON" Enjoy! At 09:16 PM 12/18/2003, you wrote: >Michael; > >You wouldn't happen to know Joe Fallon, would you? > >Regards, > >Rudolph A. Carrera >Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings >http://www.falcata-galia.com >Tariff Records >http://www.tariffrecords.com >Rudy's Information Center >http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On >Behalf Of MIchael >Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:09 PM >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 04:31:35 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (MIchael) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:31:35 -0800 Subject: [kj] Fallon info References: <000201c3c5e8$9a5fccc0$6600a8c0@rudolph> Message-ID: <000601c3c5e8$fcea6490$39b09b0c@dragonflke3gr5> Well I guess there's your answer! Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Falcata-Galia Recordings" To: Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:28 PM Subject: RE: [kj] Fallon info Thanks. Regards, Rudolph A. Carrera Falçata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's Information Center http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:22 PM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: [kj] Fallon info JOSEPH FALLON" Enjoy! At 09:16 PM 12/18/2003, you wrote: >Michael; > >You wouldn't happen to know Joe Fallon, would you? > >Regards, > >Rudolph A. Carrera >Falçata-Galia Recordings >http://www.falcata-galia.com >Tariff Records >http://www.tariffrecords.com >Rudy's Information Center >http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On >Behalf Of MIchael >Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:09 PM >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 04:37:35 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Falcata-Galia Recordings) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:37:35 -0800 Subject: [kj] Fallon info In-Reply-To: <000601c3c5e8$fcea6490$39b09b0c@dragonflke3gr5> Message-ID: <000801c3c5e9$d932e8f0$6600a8c0@rudolph> Much obliged, man! Regards, Rudolph A. Carrera Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's Information Center http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of MIchael Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:32 PM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Fallon info Well I guess there's your answer! Michael ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Falcata-Galia Recordings" To: Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:28 PM Subject: RE: [kj] Fallon info Thanks. Regards, Rudolph A. Carrera Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's Information Center http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:22 PM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: [kj] Fallon info JOSEPH FALLON" Enjoy! At 09:16 PM 12/18/2003, you wrote: >Michael; > >You wouldn't happen to know Joe Fallon, would you? > >Regards, > >Rudolph A. Carrera >Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings >http://www.falcata-galia.com >Tariff Records >http://www.tariffrecords.com >Rudy's Information Center >http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On >Behalf Of MIchael >Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:09 PM >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 05:44:37 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dirk Kingerske) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:44:37 +0100 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Message-ID:



of course with STAN the MAN
 
 
>From: "Christophe Barry"
>Reply-To: gathering@misera.net
>To:
>Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
>Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:02:35 +0100
>
>wall of woodoo ...
>with or without stanard ?
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Dirk Kingerske
>   To: gathering@misera.net
>   Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 7:33 PM
>   Subject: RE: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   >
>   >
>   >1) Your Name:
>   >
>   Dirk (King Snake)
>
>   >2) Your Age:
>
>   31
>
>   >
>   >3) Are you married and have you any children?
>   >
>
>   NO
>
>   >4) I live here:
>   >
>
>   Aachen, Germany
>
>   >5) I've been a member of the Gathering since:
>   >
>
>   end 98 (I think)
>
>   >6) What do you want for X-mas?
>   >
>
>   an au pair
>
>   >7) Your biggest extravagance of the year?
>   >
>
>   going to nyc for a kj gig
>
>   >8) Your biggest hopes for 2004?
>   >
>
>   a second tour
>
>   >9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?:
>   >
>
>   the best of the pogues, wanted to hear it, couldn't find it.... a bit boring....
>
>   >10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five
>   >favorite releases of the year?
>   >
>
>   5, that would be a bit optimistic
>
>   >11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate?
>   >
>
>   planlos, destruktiver hoersturz (both of them german punk rock) d.h. was quite good...
>
>   >12) Worst music you heard all year:
>   >
>
>   a listen quite a bit to the radio....
>
>   >13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I
>   >lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be
>   >restricted to music)
>   >
>
>   harry potter (unless they are younger than 13, or female, or they buy me a drink, or...)
>
>   >14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material:
>   >
>
>   wall of voodoo
>
>   >15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day:
>   >
>
>   rolling stones
>
>   >16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee:
>   >
>
>   kj-backcatalogue
>
>   >17) Most overrated music of the year:
>   >
>
>   don't really care
>
>   >18) Most underrated music of the year:
>   >
>
>   kj
>
>   >19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are:
>   >
>
>   wall of voodoo, pogues, clash, starnglers, new model army
>
>   >20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet
>   >
>
>   like jester's site (apaert from the colour scheme...)
>
>   >22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the
>   >following to happen:
>   >
>
>   to have them playing at my 32rd birthday
>
>   >23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain
>   >your reaction
>   >
>
>   still got a hardon
>
>   >24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red
>   >Krusty Clown?
>   >
>
>   KRUSTY
>
>   >25) Favorite track on the new album:
>   >
>
>   implant
>
>   >26) Least favorite track on the new album:
>   >
>
>   you'll never get to me
>
>   >27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been:
>   >
>
>   implant
>
>   >28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts?
>   >
>
>   not yet
>
>   >29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing
>   >Joke record?
>   >
>
>   not youth
>
>   >30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today:
>
>   >
>
>   complications
>
>   >31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE
>   >FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR?
>   >
>
>   loads... tick tock
>
>   >32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site?
>   >
>
>   a yellow bertram!!!!!!!!!!!! and a nice new wrist watch ...
>
>   >33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White
>   >House:
>   >
>
>    g w, he's so much fun!
>
>   >34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended?
>   >
>
>   bullocks!
>
>   >35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way:
>   >
>
>   put him back in the hole
>
>   >36) Where is Osama Bin Laden:
>   >
>
>   haven't talked to him lately
>
>   >37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the
>   >homefront (US/UK/EUR)?
>
>   of course NOT!
>
>   >
>   >38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance?
>   >
>
>   won't replace my old car
>
>   >39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11,
>   >2001?
>   >
>
>   nada
>
>   >40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day?
>   >
>
>   preparing for an exam, sitting at my desk
>
>   >41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be:
>   >
>
>   declare myself immortal
>
>   >42) Tony Blair is a: _________.
>   >
>
>   cocksucker
>
>   >43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime
>   >with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction:
>   >
>
>   lovely idea.... would laugh my arse off!
>
>   >44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you
>   >feel this way. Support your argument:
>   >
>
>   idiot, no support of argument needed...
>
>   >45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation
>   >better off: Bush's or Clinton's?
>   >
>
>   clinton's....
>
>   >::::END::::
>
>
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MSN Mobile - Hotmail Nachrichten aufs Handy Hier klicken From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 06:10:21 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:10:21 EST Subject: [kj] re: mistake on poll Message-ID: <1aa.1e15c0ab.2d13f04d@aol.com> --part1_1aa.1e15c0ab.2d13f04d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry, I messed up. My answer for #36 should say that Bin Laden inherited $300 million, not $300 (actually, I think it was more like $330 million, but close enough). --part1_1aa.1e15c0ab.2d13f04d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, I messed up. My answer for #= 36 should say that Bin Laden inherited $300 million, not $300 (actually, I t= hink it was more like $330 million, but close enough). --part1_1aa.1e15c0ab.2d13f04d_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 07:02:06 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Cliff and Kara Livingston) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:02:06 -0900 Subject: [kj] 03 Pole For Year End Message-ID: <001401c3c5fe$0983bf20$998a70d1@antifrz> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3C5B2.934AA8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1) Your Name: Cliff / Monk-A 2) Your Age:36 3) Are you married and have you any children? Yes,Yes 4) I live here: Jester's K-j.com chatroom,Alaska 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: oct 2002 6) What do you want for X-mas? nice fun day for kids,and hot suburban lov'in with the wife 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? KJ tour,5 weeks away from my = regular jobs 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? more of 6 & 7 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five = favorite releases of the year? 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? 12) Worst music you heard all year: anything from Nickelback=20 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of = ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need = not be restricted to music) smearing poo on the walls or digging in = they're ass and then wanting to shake yer hand 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: elvis,jimi hendrix,ramones,clash,big bopper 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: too many 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: 17) Most overrated music of the year: white stripes 18) Most underrated music of the year: killing joke 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet would like to see KJ more involved with the official & fan websites,and = have news available,quicker to the fans. 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like = the following to happen: we know who you are,you have been talking bout what ya been doin',yer = friends gave you away. 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain = your reaction Yes got to be at 22 shows,loved to be there. 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the = red Krusty Clown? Mr. Punch=20 25) Favorite track on the new album: Blood on your hands,or seeing red,but of the newest tracks played live,i = think Asteroid was the one that made me cheer the most. 26) Least favorite track on the new album: 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have = been: Seeing Red 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your = thoughts? Jaz is a film star,no doubt he steals the show,can't wait for him to be = in more films,he's a great character on film. 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next = Killing Joke record? Geordie 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: we have joy 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE = FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? yes we have,love it 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? low cut tight belly shirts for the ladies 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White = House: President Jaz Coleman 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? P 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: I 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: S 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the = homefront (US/UK/EUR)? S 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? O 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September = 11, 2001? F 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? F 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would = be: Get a cigar and some head 42) Tony Blair is a: _________. boring 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American = Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: Zzzzz 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why = you feel this way. Support your argument: zzzzzzzzzzz 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation = better off: Bush's or Clinton's? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ::::END:::: ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3C5B2.934AA8A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
1) Your Name:=20 Cliff / Monk-A

2) Your Age:36

3) Are you married and have you any children? = Yes,Yes

4) I live here: Jester's = K-j.com=20 chatroom,Alaska

5) I've been a member of the Gathering = since: oct 2002

6) What do you want for=20 X-mas?
 nice fun day for kids,and hot suburban lov'in with = the=20 wife

7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? KJ=20 tour,5 weeks away from my regular jobs

8) Your biggest = hopes for=20 2004? more of  6 & 7

9) What was = the last=20 album you bought,why, and how is it?:

10) Not including the new = Killing=20 Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the = year?

11)=20 What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate?

12) Worst = music=20 you heard all year: anything from Nickelback =

13) If=20 I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I = lose all=20 interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to = music)=20 smearing poo on the walls or digging in they're ass and = then=20 wanting to shake yer hand

14) Band(s) most in need of=20 reforming/touring/releasing new material:
elvis,jimi=20 hendrix,ramones,clash,big bopper
15) Band(s) most in need of = hanging=20 it up and calling it a day:
too many
16) = Albums most=20 in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee:

17) Most = overrated=20 music of the year:
white stripes
18) Most = underrated=20 music of the year:
killing joke
19) Next to = Killing=20 Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are:

20) Express your = views on=20 Killing Joke's presence on the Internet
would like to = see KJ=20 more involved with the official & fan websites,and have news=20 available,quicker to the fans.
22) Regarding the Joke, despite = all the=20 rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen:
we know=20 who you are,you have been talking bout what ya been doin',yer friends = gave you=20 away.
23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, = briefly=20 explain your reaction
Yes got to be at 22 shows,loved = to be=20 there.
24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, = other=20 than the red Krusty Clown?
Mr. Punch
25) = Favorite=20 track on the new album:
Blood on your hands,or seeing = red,but of=20 the newest tracks played live,i think Asteroid was the one that made me = cheer=20 the most.
26) Least favorite track on the new = album:

27) Were=20 it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have = been:
Seeing Red
28) Have you managed to see "the Year of = the Devil"=20 as yet? Your thoughts?
Jaz is a film star,no doubt he = steals the=20 show,can't wait for him to be in more films,he's a great character on=20 film.
29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see = produce the=20 next Killing Joke record?
Geordie
30) = Killing Joke=20 track that best sums up the world today:
we have=20 joy
31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If = not,=20 WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR?
yes we have,love=20 it
32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles = estimable=20 site?
low cut tight belly shirts for the = ladies
33)=20 Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White=20 House:
President Jaz Coleman
34) Do you feel = 'safer'=20 now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended?
P
35) Now that=20 he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way:
I
36)=20 Where is Osama Bin Laden:
S
37) Have we seen = the last=20 of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront = (US/UK/EUR)?
S
38) Do you feel prepared for another such = instance?
O
39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the = events of=20 September 11, 2001?
F
40) Where were = you/what were you=20 doing on that day?
F
41) Were you the next = American=20 president, your first act in office would be:
Get a = cigar and=20 some head
42) Tony Blair is a: _________.
boring
43) They want replace Franklin Delano = Roosevelt's face=20 on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your=20 reaction:
Zzzzz
44) George W. Bush is an = idiot: True=20 or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your=20 argument:
zzzzzzzzzzz
45) Under which = American=20 administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or=20 Clinton's?
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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= ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3C5B2.934AA8A0-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 07:09:16 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (dub) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:09:16 -0000 Subject: [KJ] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Message-ID: <00b801c3c5ff$071e3b60$763e869f@LocalHost> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B9_01C3C5FF.071E3B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1) Your Name: dub - Paul 2) Your Age: 38 3) Are you married and have you any children? 2 boys 19, 15, and a girl 14. A Jack Russell called Jaz (a bad tempered little bastard!) and I'm soon to be a grandad (Feb./Mar. '04). 4) I live here: Shankill,County Dublin, Ireland. 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: First on in '99, off sometime after bootleg, and back again sometime this year. 6) What do you want for X-mas? A good laugh. 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? Living. No, not being smart, but was diagnosed with a little rust back in Feb., but out of the woods now and me hair is even back, but doubt I'll have it for long, seen as little feet will be running around the house again soon. 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? World Peace and to be Miss World. 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it: Undertones Greatest Hits. Does what it says on tin. 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? Radio 4 - GOTHAM! British Sea Power - THE DECLINE OF BRITISH SEA POWER Unkle - EYE FOR AN EYE Damien Dempsey - SEIZE THE DAY White Stripes - ELEPHANT Tuff choice to bring down to 5, but will stand by these. 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Kings of Leon, was last one and they are excellent live, not at all like album. Back in April, Radio 4, amazing band, great hopes for them. A Million Dead, excellent young band. The Music, I like 'em. Lee Scratch Perry, the man is a god (most spiritual gig I have ever been to in my life). To be honest I go to about 4 to 5 gigs a month, so to many to mention, but these few are worth the mention, and of course Killing Joke. 12) Worst music you heard all year: Possibly some Cheeky Girls/Pop Idol shite. 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of shoving their opinions down my throat, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music) 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: Pixies Steel Pulse The Cure And various others but impossible due to various members being dead. 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: U2. Never liked 'em from day one. 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: All old Studio One Reggae. Cure - 17 SECONDS. PiL - METAL BOX. 17) Most overrated music of the year: Coldplay. 18) Most underrated music of the year: Killing Joke of course, but Grandaddy and Zwan as well. 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: The Clash PiL The Ramones The Pixies Massive Attack Tuff choice, changes from year to year, but first 3 always in there. 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet: Should be better, in regards to official site. Fan sites are good and do what they are there to do. 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: New album and sober tour. 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction: Twice, Dublin and Belfast. Two excellent shows, both with their own good and bad points. Outstanding memory, hearing "Pssyche" being played 5 times over two days, live, both during show and sound check, and meeting the lads, sound men each and every one. 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? A pair of soiled underpants, like clown though, case of having to I suppose. 25) Favorite track on the new album: None as yet. like all songs, but if pushed, Death and Resurrection Show. 26) Least favorite track on the new album: As Above. 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: Done a long time ago. 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? No. 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? Martin Atkins, HA! No, the band including Youth. Flood. 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Pssyche. 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? No. 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? The box set, CHAOS FOR BREAKFAST, that has been mentioned on list. 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: 42) Tony Blair is a: _________. 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? I had no intention of answering any of the political stuff, for my own reasons, but credit were credit is due, Clinton, only for his hand in brokering peace in Ireland. I'll leave it at that. ::::END:::: ------=_NextPart_000_00B9_01C3C5FF.071E3B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
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dub=20 - Paul

2) Your Age:=20
38

3) Are you married and have you = any=20 children? 
2=20 boys 19, 15, and a girl 14. A Jack Russell called Jaz (a bad = tempered=20 little bastard!) and I'm soon to be a grandad (Feb./Mar.=20 '04).

4) I live here:=20
Shankill,County Dublin, Ireland.

5) = I've been=20 a member of the Gathering since:=20
First on in '99, off sometime after bootleg, and back = again=20 sometime this year.

6) What do you want for = X-mas?
A=20 good laugh.

7) Your biggest extravagance of the = year?
Living. No, not being smart, but was diagnosed with = a little=20 rust back in Feb., but out of the woods now and me hair is even back, = but doubt=20 I'll have it for long, seen as little feet will be running around the = house=20 again soon.

8) Your biggest hopes for 2004?
World Peace and to be Miss = World.

9) What was=20 the last album you bought,why, and how is it:=20
Undertones Greatest Hits. Does what it says on=20 tin.

10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, = what=20 were your top five favorite releases of the year?=20
Radio 4 -=20 GOTHAM!
British Sea Power - THE DECLINE OF BRITISH SEA=20 POWER
Unkle - EYE FOR AN=20 EYE
Damien Dempsey - SEIZE THE=20 DAY
White Stripes -=20 ELEPHANT
Tuff choice to bring down to 5, but will = stand by=20 these.

11) What live bands have you seen recently. = Did they=20 rate?=20
Kings of Leon, was last one and they are excellent live, = not at=20 all like album.
Back in April, Radio 4, amazing band, great = hopes for=20 them.
A Million Dead, excellent young=20 band.
The Music, I like=20 'em.
Lee Scratch=20 Perry, the man is a god (most spiritual gig I have ever been to in = my=20 life).
To be honest I go to about 4 to 5 gigs a = month, so to=20 many to mention, but these few are worth the mention, and of course = Killing=20 Joke.

12) Worst music you heard all year:=20
Possibly some Cheeky Girls/Pop=20 Idol shite.

13) If I find out that the person = I'm=20 talking to is a big fan of shoving their opinions down my throat, I = lose all=20 interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to = music)


14) Band(s) most=20 in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material:
Pixies
Steel Pulse
The Cure
And various others but impossible due to = various members=20 being dead.

15) Band(s) most = in need of=20 hanging it up and calling it a day:
U2. Never liked 'em = from day=20 one.

16) Albums most = in need of=20 re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee:
All old=20 Studio One Reggae.
Cure=20 - 17 SECONDS. 
PiL - METAL=20 BOX.

17) Most overrated music of = the=20 year:
Coldplay.

18)=20 Most underrated music of the year:
Killing Joke of course, = but=20 Grandaddy and Zwan as well.

19) Next to Killing = Joke, my=20 top five favorite bands/artists are:
The=20 Clash
PiL
The Ramones
The Pixies
Massive Attack
Tuff choice, changes from year to = year, but first 3=20 always in there.

20) = Express your=20 views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet:
Should be better, in = regards to=20 official site. Fan sites are good and do what they are there to=20 do.

22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the = rumormongering,=20 I'd really like the following to happen:
New album and=20 sober tour.

23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on = this=20 tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction:
Twice, Dublin and Belfast. Two excellent = shows,=20 both with their own good and bad points. Outstanding memory, hearing = "Pssyche"=20 being played 5 times over two days, live, both during show and = sound check,=20 and meeting the lads, sound men each and every = one.

24)=20 What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red = Krusty=20 Clown?
A pair of soiled underpants, like clown = though, case of=20 having to I suppose.

25) Favorite track on the new=20 album:
None as yet. like all songs, but if pushed, = Death and=20 Resurrection Show.

26) Least favorite track on the = new=20 album:
As Above.

27) Were it up = to you to=20 have chosen the first single, it would have=20 been:
Done a long time=20 ago.

28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the = Devil" as=20 yet? Your = thoughts?
No.

29) Outside of Andy = Gill, who=20 would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke=20 record?
Martin Atkins,=20 HA! No, the band including Youth. Flood.

30) = Killing Joke=20 track that best sums up the world=20 today:
Pssyche.

31) Have you = bought=20 anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU = WAITING=20 FOR?
No.

32) Goods you'd like = to see=20 made available on Mike Coles estimable=20 site?
The box set, CHAOS FOR=20 BREAKFAST, that has been mentioned on = list.

33)=20 Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White=20 House:

34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been=20 apprehended?

35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam = this=20 way:

36) Where is Osama Bin Laden:

37) Have we seen the = last of=20 terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)?

38) = Do you=20 feel prepared for another such instance?

39) Do you think Iraq = had=20 anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001?

40) Where = were=20 you/what were you doing on that day?

41) Were you the next = American=20 president, your first act in office would be:

42) Tony Blair is = a:=20 _________.

43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face = on the=20 American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your = reaction:

44)=20 George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you = feel=20 this way. Support your argument:

45) Under which American = administration=20 was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or=20 Clinton's?=
I had no=20 intention of answering any of the political stuff, for my own reasons, = but=20 credit were credit is due, Clinton, only for his hand in brokering peace = in=20 Ireland. I'll leave it at that.
=  

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<= /FONT>= ------=_NextPart_000_00B9_01C3C5FF.071E3B60-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 07:35:53 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (The Exorcist) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:35:53 -0500 Subject: [kj] Fallon info In-Reply-To: <000801c3c5e9$d932e8f0$6600a8c0@rudolph> References: <000601c3c5e8$fcea6490$39b09b0c@dragonflke3gr5> <000801c3c5e9$d932e8f0$6600a8c0@rudolph> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20031219023024.01dea7b8@mail.speakeasy.net> And people Say logs never come in handy!!! HA! Fuckers!!! Cheers! :) 54879 Emails in Record Alive with geekeness! (though saddened at the few missing month due to=20 IBM GXP drive dying on me!) At 11:37 PM 12/18/2003, you wrote: >Much obliged, man! > >Regards, > >Rudolph A. Carrera >Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings >http://www.falcata-galia.com >Tariff Records >http://www.tariffrecords.com >Rudy's Information Center >http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On >Behalf Of MIchael >Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:32 PM >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] Fallon info > >Well I guess there's your answer! > >Michael >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Falcata-Galia Recordings" >To: >Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:28 PM >Subject: RE: [kj] Fallon info > > >Thanks. > >Regards, > >Rudolph A. Carrera >Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings >http://www.falcata-galia.com >Tariff Records >http://www.tariffrecords.com >Rudy's Information Center >http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On >Behalf Of The Exorcist >Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:22 PM >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: [kj] Fallon info > >JOSEPH FALLON" > >Enjoy! > > >At 09:16 PM 12/18/2003, you wrote: > >Michael; > > > >You wouldn't happen to know Joe Fallon, would you? > > > >Regards, > > > >Rudolph A. Carrera > >Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings > >http://www.falcata-galia.com > >Tariff Records > >http://www.tariffrecords.com > >Rudy's Information Center > >http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On > >Behalf Of MIchael > >Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:09 PM > >To: gathering@misera.net > >Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 08:24:59 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Djehuti111) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:24:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: <200312181816.hBIIGwOf006595@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20031219082459.98786.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com> > 1) Your Name: Aleph Kali > > 2) Your Age: 37 but I act like I'm 11. > > 3) Are you married and have you any children? No/No > > 4) I live here: San Francisco Ca. > > 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: Since the "pre Misera" era > > 6) What do you want for X-mas? To perform at RE~TG > > 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? Whisky > > 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? First European and Japanese tours. > > 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how > is it?: 1919 The Complete Collection, cos Antoni said it was good, and it is! > > 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what > were your top five > favorite releases of the year? The only releases that I own from this year are Killing Joke (Not that I'm mentioning it), F-Space "Preliminary Impact Report" and The Extra Action Marching Band CD > > 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they > rate? The Punk Rock Orchestra! > > 12) Worst music you heard all year: David Allen Coe > > 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is > a big fan of ________, I > lose all interest in talking to them (note: your > answer need not be > restricted to music) ism's > > 14) Band(s) most in need of > reforming/touring/releasing new material: The Germs > > 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and > calling it a day: Black Flag on their "reunion" tour using "pre recorded" Bass tracks!!! > > 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and > re-release deluxe stylee: The entire KJ back catalog > > 17) Most overrated music of the year: I don't get out much... > > 18) Most underrated music of the year: F-Space > > 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite > bands/artists are: Throbbing Gristle, Devo, The Creatures, The Birthday Party, plus a whole lot more... > > 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on > the Internet: Jester's site is top notch! > > 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the > rumormongering, I'd really like the > following to happen: The Symphonic Killing Joke Album > > 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If > so, briefly explain > your reaction: Yes in SF, The best that I've seen them yet. > > 24) What would you have rather seen on the album > cover, other than the red > Krusty Clown? ANYTHING by Colesy!!!! > > 25) Favorite track on the new album: Asteroooooid!!! > > 26) Least favorite track on the new album: You'll never get to me > > 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first > single, it would have been: Blood on your Hands > > 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" > as yet? Your thoughts? Haven't seen it. > > 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see > produce the next Killing > Joke record? Jimmy Page > > 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world > today: Dregs > > 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage > yet? If not, WHAT THE > FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Tee's, Badges, BBQ Apron... > > 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike > Coles estimable site? Long Sleeve Tee's Massive SNIP! > 45) Under which American administration was the > world/your own situation > better off: Bush's or Clinton's? You've got spunk on your hands! ;) > > ::::END:::: > ===== "The scene was wild and somewhat sinister. The darkness, the palms, the mountainous background, the silent lake below, the impenetrable canopy of space, studded with secretive and significant stars, formed a stupendous setting for the savage noise and blaze of the ceremony." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 08:36:36 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Djehuti111) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:36:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: <20031219033201.71459.qmail@web80410.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031219083636.76920.qmail@web20211.mail.yahoo.com> --- Thomas Kennedy wrote: > 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they > rate? F-SPACE!!!.....they rated muy bien! You're gonna give me a rock star complex! BTW, Your check's in the mail... ;) A L P ===== "The scene was wild and somewhat sinister. The darkness, the palms, the mountainous background, the silent lake below, the impenetrable canopy of space, studded with secretive and significant stars, formed a stupendous setting for the savage noise and blaze of the ceremony." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 08:39:39 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Djehuti111) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:39:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT Reintro In-Reply-To: <008401c3c4f0$024e8000$efca83d9@ibm559c085> Message-ID: <20031219083939.47030.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com> Welcome back young man! A L P --- Ross O'Donoghue wrote: > Re: [kj] IntroJust back on the list after an absence > of far too many months ( work, not incarceration in > an Arab/Muslim land ) and I'm absolutely thrilled to > see we are back to acrimony, dispute and good old > bitchin'. Peter, I'll add my rusty old tuppence once > I stop laughing! Alex, fine man you are, may the > Lord bless your keyboard and keep ye safe. > Ross. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jester > To: Gathering > Sent: 18 Araly´k 2003 Perembe 05:36 > Subject: Re: [kj] Intro > > > Cheers Rudy! > > Welcome to insanity and hell...may your stay not > be too miserable ;-) > > On 12/17/03 9:09 PM, "Falcata-Galia Recordings" > wrote: > > > Hello; > > I just joined the list. > > My name is Rudy Carrera, and I've been looking > for this mailing list for a long time. I'm an old > fan of the band and wanted to see if I could learn > more by being here. > > Regards, > > Rudolph A. Carrera > > > > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! > OCCISIO LOCATIO > > THE WEBMASTER, > JESTER > WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM > WWW.PARALLAX1.COM > > There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > > "In a world without walls or fences, what use do > we have for Windows or Gates?" > > ===== "The scene was wild and somewhat sinister. The darkness, the palms, the mountainous background, the silent lake below, the impenetrable canopy of space, studded with secretive and significant stars, formed a stupendous setting for the savage noise and blaze of the ceremony." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 09:29:51 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Tom Foolery) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:29:51 +0000 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Message-ID:

1) Your Name: Stimro

2) Your Age: 29

3) Are you married and have you any children? yes, one daughter

4) I live here: Uusikaupunki, Finland

5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: 2000

6) What do you want for X-mas? 1m €

7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? laptop

8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? my daughter

9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: Flipper "Blow'n Chunks" needed replacing (old one gave up the ghost) SPLENDID

10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year?

5??? erm Wire "send", Toadliquor "Hortator's lament", dunno

11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? none this year

12) Worst music you heard all year: you really don't want to know

13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music)

cars and other penis substitutes

14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: Flipper

 
15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: REcuntingM

16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: 1st 3 KJ

17) Most overrated music of the year: Beyonce

18) Most underrated music of the year: dunno

19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: Flipper, Big Black, Hawkwind, TG, Butthole Surfers

20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet Adequate

22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: decent new album

23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction No

24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown?Something by colesy

25) Favorite track on the new album: House that pain built

26) Least favorite track on the new album: never get to me/Loose Cannon

27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: seeing red

28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? no

29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? Steve Albini

30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: We Have Joy

31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? colesy can't debit my visa electron card

32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? fine as it is

33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: neither know nor care

34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? no

35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: keep the whole thing under wraps

36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: behind you

37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Of course not

38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? yes

39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? unlikely

40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? at work at a shitty college in Barnet

41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: introduce the death penalty and make it mandatory in all states

42) Tony Blair is a: _________. reason why I left Britain

43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: Who cares

44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: neither know nor care, all I am certain of is that he's dangerous

45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? neither know nor care


Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 10:12:18 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Lucy Cornwell) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:12:18 -0000 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: <200312181816.hBIIGwOf006595@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01C3C618.957BA910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `031) Your Name: Lucy 2) Your Age: 31 3) Are you married and have you any children? yes, no 4) I live here: Nr Cambridge 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: Oct 03 6) What do you want for X-mas? PS2 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? TFT monitor 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? Bit of peace and quiet 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: The current Killing Joke one, need I say anymore 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? erm not bought much new stuff this year 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Bugger all 12) Worst music you heard all year: Craig David 17) Most overrated music of the year: Still Craig David + Darkness (shit I even bought it listened to it once and gave it away....I never give cds away......) 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: Depeche Mode, Cardiacs, Tori Amos, REM, 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet More Please 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: UK tour that IO actually hear about before it's finished 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction No , pissed off 25) Favorite track on the new album: Asteroid 26) Least favorite track on the new album: Total Invasion 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: Seeing Red 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? Nope 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Seeing Red 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Money 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? free ones...see 31 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: Michael Moore 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? Oh yeah it makes so much difference 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: As international law requires 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Probably USA 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? No 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? No 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? No 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? Training course near London 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: Cry 42) Tony Blair is a: _________. Not sure one word is enough, think of several that aren't nice and we're getting close... 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: Don't care 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: True. The evidence just keeps growing... ::::END:::: ------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01C3C618.957BA910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
1) Your Name: Lucy 

2) Your Age: 31 

3) Are you married and have = you any=20 children?  yes, no 

4) I live here: Nr=20 Cambridge 

5) I've been a member of the = Gathering=20 since: Oct 03 

6) What do you want for = X-mas?  PS2 

7) Your biggest = extravagance of the=20 year? TFT monitor 

8) Your biggest = hopes for=20 2004? =20 Bit of peace and quiet 

9) What was the last = album you=20 bought,why, and how is it?: The current Killing Joke one, need I = say=20 anymore 

10) Not including the new Killing = Joke album,=20 what were your top five favorite releases of the year?  erm=20 not bought much new stuff this year 

11) = What=20 live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate?  Bugger=20 all 

12) Worst music you heard all year:  Craig=20 David 

17) Most overrated music of the = year:  Still=20 Craig David + Darkness (shit I even bought it listened to it once = and gave=20 it away....I never give cds away......)

19) = Next to=20 Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are:  Depeche=20 Mode, Cardiacs, Tori Amos,  REM,

20) Express = your=20 views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet  More=20 Please 

22) Regarding the Joke, despite all = the=20 rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen:  UK tour=20 that IO actually hear about before it's=20 finished 

23) Did you get to see Killing Joke = on this=20 tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction  No , pissed=20 off 

25) Favorite track on the new album: =20 Asteroid 

26) Least favorite track on the new=20 album:  Total Invasion
 
27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would = have=20 been: =20 Seeing Red 

28) Have you managed to see "the = Year of=20 the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts?  Nope 

30) = Killing Joke=20 track that best sums up the world today:  Seeing = Red 

31)=20 Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE = FUCK ARE=20 YOU WAITING FOR? Money 

32) Goods you'd like to = see made=20 available on Mike Coles estimable site?  free ones...see=20 31  

33) Following the 2004 Elections, = I'd like=20 to see this man in the White House:  Michael=20 Moore 

34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam = Hussein=20 has been apprehended?  Oh yeah it makes so much=20 difference 

35) Now that he's in custody, I = would=20 handle Saddam this way:  As international law=20 requires 

36) Where is Osama Bin Laden:  Probably=20 USA 

37) Have we seen the last of terrorism = courtesy=20 of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)?  = No 

38) Do you=20 feel prepared for another such instance?  = No 

39) Do you=20 think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, = 2001? =20 No 

40) Where were you/what were you doing on = that=20 day? =20 Training course near London 

41) Were you the = next=20 American president, your first act in office would be:  Cry 

42) Tony Blair is a: = _________.  Not sure one word is enough, think of several that = aren't nice and=20 we're getting close... 

43) They want replace = Franklin=20 Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald = Reagan.=20 What is your reaction:
  Don't care 
44) = George W. Bush=20 is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. = Support=20 your argument:
 True. The evidence just=20 keeps growing... 

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------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01C3C618.957BA910-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 10:51:03 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (DG) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:51:03 -0800 Subject: [kj] Fallon info References: <000601c3c5e8$fcea6490$39b09b0c@dragonflke3gr5> <000801c3c5e9$d932e8f0$6600a8c0@rudolph> <6.0.1.1.0.20031219023024.01dea7b8@mail.speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <039401c3c61d$ff8a22a0$11effea9@BRAINSAW> Would that be the "Deathstar" GXP? ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Exorcist" To: Sent: Thursday, 18 December, 2003 23:35 Subject: RE: [kj] Fallon info And people Say logs never come in handy!!! HA! Fuckers!!! Cheers! :) 54879 Emails in Record Alive with geekeness! (though saddened at the few missing month due to IBM GXP drive dying on me!) At 11:37 PM 12/18/2003, you wrote: >Much obliged, man! > >Regards, > >Rudolph A. Carrera >Falçata-Galia Recordings >http://www.falcata-galia.com >Tariff Records >http://www.tariffrecords.com >Rudy's Information Center >http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On >Behalf Of MIchael >Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:32 PM >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] Fallon info > >Well I guess there's your answer! > >Michael >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Falcata-Galia Recordings" >To: >Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:28 PM >Subject: RE: [kj] Fallon info > > >Thanks. > >Regards, > >Rudolph A. Carrera >Falçata-Galia Recordings >http://www.falcata-galia.com >Tariff Records >http://www.tariffrecords.com >Rudy's Information Center >http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On >Behalf Of The Exorcist >Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:22 PM >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: [kj] Fallon info > >JOSEPH FALLON" > >Enjoy! > > >At 09:16 PM 12/18/2003, you wrote: > >Michael; > > > >You wouldn't happen to know Joe Fallon, would you? > > > >Regards, > > > >Rudolph A. Carrera > >Falçata-Galia Recordings > >http://www.falcata-galia.com > >Tariff Records > >http://www.tariffrecords.com > >Rudy's Information Center > >http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On > >Behalf Of MIchael > >Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:09 PM > >To: gathering@misera.net > >Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 11:23:03 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mark Saxton) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:23:03 -0000 Subject: [kj] 2003 polltime Message-ID: <009301c3c622$77efd560$7b552bd9@musicpc> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C3C622.77A36310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1) Your Name:Mark Saxton / Ranjeef / Maxkonstar 2) Your Age:32 3) Are you married and have you any children? Yes and yes 4) I live here:Shirebrook 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since:last year 6) What do you want for X-mas? a Micro Frets spacetone guitar 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? Camden gig and associated = expense 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? Finish my studio and for KJ to organise = a special event to commemorate 25 yrs 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: Creatures - = Hai, very good , but preferred Animus 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five = favorite releases of the year? British Sea Power - the decline of british sea power Placebo - sleeping with ghosts Janes Addiction - strays Peaches - fatherfucker Cooper Temple Clause - kick up the fire and let the flames break loose 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Radiohead at = Nottingham Ice arena - incredibly, it was the best live sound i've ever = heard at a gig, and i've been to around 400 or so, and I fucking hate = "arena" gigs, but they were class. 12) Worst music you heard all year:I've tried to listen to some of the = new goth bands such as cruxshadows etc, but they are truly dreadful and = are just cliches of the worst elements of some truly great bands who = got tagged all those years ago. 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of = ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need = not be restricted to music) The Darkness 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: = The Danse Society 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: = Metallica 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: = Revelations and Extremities 17) Most overrated music of the year: = Darkness,Evanescence,Libertines,athlete,kings of leon,jet, 18) Most underrated music of the year: Spear of destiny - Morning Star, = deserves more credit, it's a cracking album 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: The = Chameleons Gene Loves Jezebel/Jay Aston Young Gods Will Sergeant Gavin Friday 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet = official site unnecessary as fan sites are amazing and i thank them all = very much, cheers 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like = the following to happen:=20 for them not to have long periods of inactivity between releases and = tours, although with jaz's love of classical work, this is probably = gonna be the case once this flurry ends. 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain = your reaction yep ecfuckingstatic 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the = red Krusty Clown? this should be a collaboration with the one and only = Mester Coles, i think we all agree. 25) Favorite track on the new album:Blood on your hands 26) Least favorite track on the new album: Inferno 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have = been:Blood on your Hands 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your = thoughts? no not yet 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next = Killing Joke record? Flood 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Seeing Red 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE = FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? yes and more to come, top quality 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? = maybe some limited edition framed prints or something, although you = could say they are already available,dunno,something a little different = ....let me mull.........a hologramic picture of the millennium jester = maybe 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White = House: Jello Biafra 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? oh = yes, I now sleep like a baby...thank you Sir Bush and Sir blair....who's = next 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: let the = peopleof Iraq decide 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: he's got a burger van up Langwith Junction = near the scrapyard....really tasty burgers 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the = homefront (US/UK/EUR)? no 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? how can you = prepare? 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September = 11, 2001? no 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? I was at day = hospital attending anxiety management group. 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would = be: apologise to a few people for the bullshit that is now the = norm....everyone expects lies, everyone knows a conspiracy theory or 30 = will surface for every event, therefore nothing seems to hold creedence = anymore...we all know about the lies, but it would be great just to hear = a little humility from the global bullies. 42) Tony Blair is a: _buggerlugs________. 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American = Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: = dunno,enlighten me 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why = you feel this way. Support your argument: it's all there in his distant eyes, he is an absolute cunt 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation = better off: Bush's or Clinton's? mmmmmm ::::END:::: ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C3C622.77A36310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

1) Your Name:Mark = Saxton / Ranjeef=20 / Maxkonstar

2) Your Age:32

3) Are you married and have = you any=20 children? Yes and yes

4) I live here:Shirebrook

5) I've = been a=20 member of the Gathering since:last year

6) What do you want for = X-mas? a=20 Micro Frets spacetone guitar

7) Your biggest extravagance of the = year?=20 Camden gig and associated expense

8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? = Finish=20 my studio and for KJ to organise a special event to commemorate 25 = yrs

9)=20 What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: Creatures -=20 Hai,   very good , but preferred Animus

10) Not = including the=20 new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the = year?
British Sea Power - the decline of = british sea=20 power
Placebo -=20 sleeping with ghosts
Janes Addiction=20 - strays
Peaches -=20 fatherfucker
Cooper Temple=20 Clause - kick up the fire and let the flames break loose
11) = What live=20 bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Radiohead at Nottingham Ice = arena -=20 incredibly, it was the best live sound i've ever heard at a gig, and = i've been=20 to around 400 or so, and I fucking hate "arena" gigs, but they were=20 class.

12) Worst music you heard all year:I've tried to listen to = some of=20 the new goth bands such as cruxshadows etc, but they are truly dreadful = and are=20 just cliches of the worst elements of  some truly great bands who = got=20 tagged all those years ago.

13) If I find out that the person I'm = talking=20 to is a big fan of ________, I lose all interest in talking to them = (note: your=20 answer need not be restricted to music) The Darkness

14) Band(s) = most in=20 need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: The Danse = Society

15)=20 Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: = Metallica

16)=20 Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: = Revelations=20 and Extremities

17) Most overrated music of the year:=20 Darkness,Evanescence,Libertines,athlete,kings of leon,jet,

18) = Most=20 underrated music of the year: Spear of destiny - Morning Star, deserves = more=20 credit, it's a cracking album

19) Next to Killing Joke, my top = five=20 favorite bands/artists are: The Chameleons
      =20 Gene Loves Jezebel/Jay Aston
        Young = Gods
        Will = Sergeant
         Gavin = Friday

20)=20 Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the = Internet official site=20 unnecessary as fan sites are amazing and i thank them all very = much,=20 cheers

22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, = I'd really=20 like the following to happen:
for them not to have long = periods of=20 inactivity between releases and tours, although with jaz's love of  = classical work, this is probably gonna be the case once this flurry=20 ends.

23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, = briefly=20 explain your reaction    yep ecfuckingstatic

24) = What=20 would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty = Clown?  this should be a collaboration with the one and only Mester = Coles,=20 i think we all agree.

25) Favorite track on the new album:Blood = on your=20 hands

26) Least favorite track on the new album: = Inferno

27) Were=20 it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been:Blood = on your=20 Hands

28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? = Your=20 thoughts? no not yet

29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like = to see=20 produce the next Killing Joke record?  Flood

30) Killing = Joke track=20 that best sums up the world today:
      = Seeing=20 Red
31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, = WHAT THE=20 FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR?  yes and more to come, top = quality

32)=20 Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? = maybe some=20 limited edition framed prints or something, although you could say they = are=20 already available,dunno,something a little different ....let me = mull.........a=20 hologramic picture of the millennium jester maybe

33) Following = the 2004=20 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House:   = Jello=20 Biafra

34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been=20 apprehended? oh yes, I now sleep like a baby...thank you Sir Bush and = Sir=20 blair....who's next

35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle = Saddam=20 this way:   let the peopleof Iraq decide

36) Where = is=20 Osama Bin Laden: he's got a burger van up Langwith Junction near the=20 scrapyard....really tasty burgers

37) Have we seen the last of = terrorism=20 courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)?  no

38) = Do you=20 feel prepared for another such instance?  how can you = prepare?

39)=20 Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11,=20 2001?   no

40) Where were you/what were you doing on = that day?=20 I was at day hospital attending anxiety management group.

41) = Were you=20 the next American president, your first act in office would be: = apologise to a=20 few people for the bullshit that is now the norm....everyone expects = lies,=20 everyone knows a conspiracy theory or 30 will surface for every event, = therefore=20 nothing seems to hold creedence anymore...we all know about the lies, = but it=20 would be great just to hear a little humility from the global=20 bullies.

42) Tony Blair is a: _buggerlugs________.

43) = They want=20 replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the = face of=20 Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction:   dunno,enlighten = me

44)=20 George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you = feel=20 this way. Support your argument:
it's all there in his distant eyes, = he is an=20 absolute cunt
45) Under which American administration was the = world/your own=20 situation better off: Bush's or=20 Clinton's?
mmmmmm
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= ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C3C622.77A36310-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 12:19:10 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Cliff and Kara Livingston) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:19:10 -0900 Subject: [kj] news References: Message-ID: <00c201c3c62a$4f7e28e0$998a70d1@antifrz> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BF_01C3C5DE.DEB4AC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable newsThat's very cool news for all. Can't wait to hear it. Cheers,Cliff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mike coles=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 1:34 PM Subject: [kj] news Meanwhile The Raven is talking to the fabulously talented, charming, = handsome (and modest) Headcount about producing a new long playing = record, so that should keep him busy for a while. My people tell me they've been speaking to headcount's people and = raven's people and they're hoping to organise some sort of collaboration = with malicious damage re this long playing record. Also, I'm away until Sunday and won't be unsubscribing. SO I DON'T WANT A MILLION FUCKING EMAILS ABOUT JEWS & ARABS WHEN I GET = BACK!!! I'll do the poll when I return AleXInNYC. cheers, colesy --=20 Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_00BF_01C3C5DE.DEB4AC60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable news
That's very cool news for = all.
Can't wait to hear it.
Cheers,Cliff
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mike coles
Sent: Thursday, December 18, = 2003 1:34=20 PM
Subject: [kj] news

Meanwhile The Raven is talking to the = fabulously=20 talented, charming, handsome (and modest) Headcount about producing a = new long=20 playing record, so that should keep him busy for a while.
My people tell me they've been speaking to headcount's people and = raven's=20 people and they're hoping to organise some sort of collaboration with=20 malicious damage re this long playing record.

Also, I'm away until Sunday and won't be unsubscribing.
SO I DON'T WANT A MILLION FUCKING EMAILS ABOUT JEWS & ARABS = WHEN I=20 GET BACK!!!

I'll do the poll when I return AleXInNYC.

cheers,
colesy
--=20
Check out our merchandise at = http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk
... and=20 you can find more Killing Joke at=20 http://www.studio-c.co.uk
------=_NextPart_000_00BF_01C3C5DE.DEB4AC60-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 13:28:32 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:28:32 +0100 Subject: [kj] join chat Message-ID: <904465906eb1.906eb1904465@iol.cz> http://www.killing-joke.com/chat/ be there until 3.30 pm CET... cheers PAVEL From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 13:47:29 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:47:29 +0000 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: <20031219033201.71459.qmail@web80410.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200312181816.hBIIGwOf006595@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20031219134543.01a0cfe8@pop3.norton.antivirus> No no no!! :-) The Dickies have been excellent the last few times I've seen 'em! There's far more needy contenders for fucking off surely!! Hordes of them in fact. At 19:32 18/12/2003 -0800, you wrote: >1) Your Name: Tom Kennedy > >15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: THE DICKIES From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 13:58:50 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (JOKERS PUB CAFE) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:58:50 -0200 Subject: [kj] DIAZ POLL FOR `03 References: <200312181816.hBIIGwOf006595@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <01cf01c3c638$6d835e60$a0cfddc8@o7l3j2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01CA_01C3C627.77984D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 1) Your Name: Diaz, Luiz Gustavo 2) Your Age: 34 3) Are you married and have you any children? Married, 1 Kid!! 4) I live here: Curitiba, Paran=E1, Brasil=20 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: can't remember quite = well, but I think it's since 1998. 6) What do you want for X-mas? Vacations (going to travel to my wife's = parent's house (she's already there) on the south of the State, gonna be = a good experience, 'cause it's a small village, amidst the mountains, = with lots of green and rivers, and so...) 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? Bought each and every = single, album and Picture disc from the mighty JOKE, and it's very, very = expensive here in Brazil.... 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? A SOUTH AMERICAN TOUR!!!!!!!!!!! with = my band being Open Act !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: Tiamat's = new album , PREY, very very nice, this album also has a song with lyrics = taken from a poem by Aleister Crowley (pentagram) 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five = favorite releases of the year? Nick Cave - Nocturama, Tiamat - Prey, = VoiVod - VoiVod, QOTSA - Songs For The Deaf, The Mission - Aura 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Not to much = gigs around here, since an inciddent in a show in wich 3 youngsters = died, but I must confess that i went to see the german's of GRAVE = DIGGER, just to remember my old metal days. 12) Worst music you heard all year: Most brazilian music..... 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of = Creed, NickelBack, etc.... I lose all interest in talking to them (note: = your answer need not be restricted to music) 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: = Faith No More, Gentle Giant, Van Der Graff Generator 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: Iron = Maiden, Rolling Stones, Kiss, Aerosmith, Ozzy, U2, etc............. 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: = all Killing Joke cataloge with a big need for Fire Dances 17) Most overrated music of the year: Evanescence 18) Most underrated music of the year: KILLING JOKE 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: = VoiVod, Tiamat, Nick Cave, Neubauten, Slayer, Depeche Mode, Faith No = More 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet = Good, but could be better!!! 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really = like the following to happen: A South American Tour, new album, DVD, and = a Live Double Album, as Geordie once promised. 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly = explain your reaction , Yes, I saw the Panda video that Astrid made = avilable, and a few short clips from a French gig, My Reaction??? Sad = for not being close to a real GIG!!! 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the = red Krusty Clown? Red Jaz Arising Amidst the Flames like on the Seeing = Red video. 25) Favorite track on the new album: Total Invasion 26) Least favorite track on the new album: None, even Loose Cannon is = fine. 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have = been: Total Invasion, Seeing Red or Blood on your Hands 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your = thoughts? No, but would like to see. 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next = Killing Joke record? Steve Albini, Andy Wallace, Ross Robinson.... 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Blood on = your Hands 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT = THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? MONEY!! 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable = site? Still working hard to raise some money to get that Damage Clock. 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the = White House: Really don't know!! 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? = No, they haven't caught Bush & Blair!!!!!!!!!!! 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: Don't = know 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Don't know 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the = homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Sure no 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? No 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September = 11, 2001? No 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? Working, and spend = the rest of the day astonished, just watching the news on Tv. 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office = would be: Don't Know 42) Tony Blair is Not a Witch. 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American = Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: Can't = express any=20 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling = why you feel this way. Support your argument: Seems Like=20 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own = situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? Don't Mind ::::END:::: ------=_NextPart_000_01CA_01C3C627.77984D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
 
1)=20 Your Name: Diaz, Luiz Gustavo

2) = Your Age:=20 34

3) Are you married and have you = any=20 children?  Married, 1 = Kid!!

4) I live=20 here: Curitiba, Paran=E1, Brasil =

5) I've been=20 a member of the Gathering since: can't remember = quite=20 well, but I think it's since 1998.

6) What do you want = for=20 X-mas? Vacations (going to travel to my wife's = parent's=20 house (she's already there) on the south of the State, gonna be a good = experience, 'cause it's a small village, amidst the mountains, with = lots of=20 green and rivers, and so...)

7) Your biggest = extravagance of the=20 year? Bought each and every single, = album and Picture=20 disc from the mighty JOKE, and it's very, very expensive here in=20 Brazil....

8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? A=20 SOUTH AMERICAN TOUR!!!!!!!!!!! with my band being Open Act=20 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

9) What was the last album you = bought,why, and=20 how is it?: Tiamat's new album , PREY, very very = nice,=20 this album also has a song with lyrics taken from a poem by Aleister = Crowley=20 (pentagram)

10) Not including the new Killing Joke = album, what=20 were your top five favorite releases of the year? Nick=20 Cave - Nocturama, Tiamat - Prey, VoiVod - VoiVod, QOTSA - Songs For = The Deaf,=20 The Mission - Aura

11) What live bands have you seen = recently.=20 Did they rate? Not to much gigs around here, = since an=20 inciddent in a show in wich 3 youngsters died, but I must confess that = i went=20 to see the german's of GRAVE DIGGER, just to remember my old metal=20 days.

12) Worst music you heard all year: Most brazilian music.....

13) If I find = out that=20 the person I'm talking to is a big fan of Creed, = NickelBack, etc.... I lose all interest in talking to them = (note: your=20 answer need not be restricted to music)

14) Band(s) most in = need of=20 reforming/touring/releasing new material: Faith = No More,=20 Gentle Giant, Van Der Graff Generator

15) Band(s) most = in need=20 of hanging it up and calling it a day: Iron = Maiden,=20 Rolling Stones, Kiss, Aerosmith, Ozzy, U2, = etc.............

16)=20 Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: = all Killing Joke cataloge with a big need for Fire=20 Dances

17) Most overrated music of the year: Evanescence

18) Most underrated music of = the year:=20 KILLING JOKE

19) Next to Killing = Joke, my=20 top five favorite bands/artists are: VoiVod, = Tiamat, Nick=20 Cave, Neubauten, Slayer, Depeche Mode, Faith No More

20) = Express=20 your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet Good, but could be better!!!

22) = Regarding the=20 Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to = happen:=20 A South American Tour, new album, DVD, and a = Live Double=20 Album, as Geordie once promised.

23) Did you get to see = Killing=20 Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction ,=20 Yes, I saw the Panda video that Astrid made avilable, and a few short = clips=20 from a French gig, My Reaction??? Sad for not being close = to a=20 real GIG!!!

24) What would you have rather seen on the = album=20 cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? Red Jaz=20 Arising Amidst the Flames like on the Seeing Red=20 video.

25) Favorite track on the new album: Total Invasion

26) Least favorite track = on the new=20 album: None, even Loose Cannon is = fine.

27)=20 Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: = Total Invasion, Seeing Red or Blood on your=20 Hands

28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the = Devil" as=20 yet? Your thoughts? No, but would like to=20 see.

29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see = produce=20 the next Killing Joke record? Steve Albini, Andy = Wallace,=20 Ross Robinson....

30) Killing Joke track that best sums = up the=20 world today: Blood on your = Hands

31) Have=20 you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK = ARE YOU=20 WAITING FOR? MONEY!!

32) Goods = you'd like to=20 see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? Still working hard to raise some money to get that = Damage=20 Clock.

33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see = this=20 man in the White House: Really don't=20 know!!

34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein = has been=20 apprehended? No, they haven't caught Bush &=20 Blair!!!!!!!!!!!

35) Now that he's in custody, I would = handle=20 Saddam this way: Don't know

36) = Where is=20 Osama Bin Laden: Don't know

37) = Have we seen=20 the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront = (US/UK/EUR)?=20 Sure no

38) Do you feel prepared = for another=20 such instance? No

39) Do you think = Iraq had=20 anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? No

40) Where were you/what were you = doing on that=20 day? Working, and spend the rest of the day = astonished,=20 just watching the news on Tv.

41) Were you the next = American=20 president, your first act in office would be: Don't=20 Know

42) Tony Blair is Not a=20 Witch.

43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's = face on=20 the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your = reaction: Can't express any

44) George W. Bush is = an idiot:=20 True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support = your=20 argument: Seems Like

45) Under = which=20 American administration was the world/your own situation better off: = Bush's or=20 Clinton's? Don't=20 Mind

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------=_NextPart_000_01CA_01C3C627.77984D40-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 14:22:27 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (fat potanga) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:22:27 +0000 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Message-ID: Alright. As threatened, herewith THE GATHERING YEAR-END POLL FOR 2003. Most of you know how this works, but being that there are a lot of newbies around these days, simply Cut'n Paste the following questionaire part of this message into a new message and answer the questions as they apply to you, and then send them to the Gathering (gathering@misera.net). This is not a scientific nor deadly serious poll, so feel free to waive any questions that you find too invasive, but by the same token -- don't be a big pussy, answer the questions. It's only 45 questions, and most of them are short, one or two word answers, so keep thy whining to thyself. 1) Your Name: Fat Jamie 2) Your Age: 33 and a half 3) Are you married and have you any children? Yes, to Cheryl partner of 13 years, married for 5 and have a 17 month old daughter Abbie. 4) I live here: Culcheth, near Warrington in the UK 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: I have no idea. 6) What do you want for X-mas? just some fun 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? An Apple G5 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? To make a success of working for myself 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: What? BT's Emotional Technology. Why? I love his techno stuff. How? It's more songy but really quite good. I like. 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? erm... dunno. Been a slow year for me really Elbow Cast of thousands Coldplay A rush of Blood ( I know I know - throw what you like ;) Goldfrapp Black Cherry 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Only saw KJ this year 12) Worst music you heard all year: Busted. I fucking hate Busted. They must die. Tossers. 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of THEMSELVES, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music) 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: Chameleons 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: busted 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: KJ back catalogue 17) Most overrated music of the year: Busted (wanking tossing shit eating turd burgulars) 18) Most underrated music of the year: KJ 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: Chameleons 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet Great. Another Jaz U-Turn =:¬) "Kiss my internet goodbye" as he once proclaimed. If it weren't for t'internet we wouldn't be here, 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: A new album to celebrate the 25 year thing and some recognition in the press to services to music. and get to go to some of these 'ceremonies' 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction Yes. fantastic, tho' not as good as some older gigs 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? Colseys offering - When are we gonna get a glimpse, or are you saving it for the next one...? You are doing the next one? 25) Favorite track on the new album: Blood on your hands 26) Least favorite track on the new album: loose cannon 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: Seeing Red 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? ? 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Blood on yer 'ands 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Yes. 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? Lots, but if you don't see what you want, just ask. Mike did me a bespoke poster of the cover of Pervy Pants and Pandemonium without the text, lovely man he is. 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Droitwich, under a hedge. 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Hell no 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? no, just rsigned to the fact. 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? no 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? at work, someone was listening to the radio on the internet and said a plane had hit the tower. We found a tv and switch on just as the second plane hit. It still knocks me cold when I see it. God knows how it must feel for anyone there 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: 42) Tony Blair is a: dissapointment 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: Mwo-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!! 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? Clintons without a doubt. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 14:42:58 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (The Exorcist) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:42:58 -0500 Subject: [kj] Fallon info In-Reply-To: <039401c3c61d$ff8a22a0$11effea9@BRAINSAW> References: <000601c3c5e8$fcea6490$39b09b0c@dragonflke3gr5> <000801c3c5e9$d932e8f0$6600a8c0@rudolph> <6.0.1.1.0.20031219023024.01dea7b8@mail.speakeasy.net> <039401c3c61d$ff8a22a0$11effea9@BRAINSAW> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20031219094146.01df72b8@mail.speakeasy.net> Though not the infamous 75 Gig. Mine was the 60 GB Deathstar!... those fuckers!!! (but was fast while it worked heh!) At 05:51 AM 12/19/2003, you wrote: >Would that be the "Deathstar" GXP? >----- Original Message ----- >From: "The Exorcist" >To: >Sent: Thursday, 18 December, 2003 23:35 >Subject: RE: [kj] Fallon info > > >And people Say logs never come in handy!!! > >HA! Fuckers!!! > >Cheers! :) > >54879 Emails in Record > >Alive with geekeness! (though saddened at the few missing month due to >IBM GXP drive dying on me!) > >At 11:37 PM 12/18/2003, you wrote: > >Much obliged, man! > > > >Regards, > > > >Rudolph A. Carrera > >Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings > >http://www.falcata-galia.com > >Tariff Records > >http://www.tariffrecords.com > >Rudy's Information Center > >http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On > >Behalf Of MIchael > >Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:32 PM > >To: gathering@misera.net > >Subject: Re: [kj] Fallon info > > > >Well I guess there's your answer! > > > >Michael > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Falcata-Galia Recordings" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:28 PM > >Subject: RE: [kj] Fallon info > > > > > >Thanks. > > > >Regards, > > > >Rudolph A. Carrera > >Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings > >http://www.falcata-galia.com > >Tariff Records > >http://www.tariffrecords.com > >Rudy's Information Center > >http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On > >Behalf Of The Exorcist > >Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:22 PM > >To: gathering@misera.net > >Subject: [kj] Fallon info > > > >JOSEPH FALLON" > > > >Enjoy! > > > > > >At 09:16 PM 12/18/2003, you wrote: > > >Michael; > > > > > >You wouldn't happen to know Joe Fallon, would you? > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > >Rudolph A. Carrera > > >Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings > > >http://www.falcata-galia.com > > >Tariff Records > > >http://www.tariffrecords.com > > >Rudy's Information Center > > >http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On > > >Behalf Of MIchael > > >Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:09 PM > > >To: gathering@misera.net > > >Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 > > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 14:41:43 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Shadforth, Jane E SUKOP-UOIT/42) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:41:43 -0000 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Message-ID: <4E1B682DEDC4EB409D522C471E527DCF62CE5B@wyt-s-018.europe.shell.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C63E.388EF532 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not read any other responses yet - so apologies for any duplications. =20 1) Your Name: Jane Shadforth=20 2) Your Age: 35=20 3) Are you married and have you any children? No & No=20 4) I live here: Ashton-under-Lyne (Manchester) UK=20 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: erm - 2001 - I think??=20 6) What do you want for X-mas? I don't do Xmas - 6 of us are going to = Athens to escape it as best we can. 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? Timex combined heart rate & = Speed & Distance monitor.=20 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? World Peace of course - not overly = optimistic though... and further KJ dates.=20 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: Future = Ex-Wife - Miss September, and it's bloody marvellous. This is Pete Spiby = (ex Groop Dogdrill)'s new band, and this has a lot of the magic I loved = about Groop Dogdrill. 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five = favorite releases of the year? Future Ex-Wife - Miss September; Desert = Sessions 9 & 10; GU Medicine - demo; Giga-0 - There's No Excuse (Well - = I've gotta say that haven't I?); Therapy? - Scopophobia=20 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? In the last = 3 months - NMA, Goldblade, Metal Urbain, The Damned, Machinehead, = Therapy?, Alabama 3, Turbonegro, Jane's Addiction, BRMC, GU Medicine, = Dandy Warhols, Marilyn Manson, Echo & the Bunnymen, Killing Joke and = Giga-0. They all delivered the goods, except Marilyn Manson who was just = plain mediocre... 12) Worst music you heard all year: any Xmassy crap - I hate this time = of year.=20 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of = themself, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need = not be restricted to music) 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: = Groop Dogdrill, Creatures=20 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: None - = they are all entitled to get out there, play and enjoy making a living = from music. If I don't like them, I don't have to go and see them. They = should only call it a day when they stop enjoying it. 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: = Hmmm: NMA - Vengeance might be interesting. 17) Most overrated music of the year: The Darkness would be too easy a = target, at least they are getting up there and succeeding as a British = rock band doing their own music. I'm afraid the willingness of the = British public to lap up the pop idol / boy/girl band mindless, bland, = pointless pop cover versions will always piss me off a lot more. 18) Most underrated music of the year: Hundreds of touring/gigging = bands who will never get a look in as long as the great British public = continue to buy what they're told to instead of checking out what's = happening at their local venue. (I don't know if this applies to other = countries too??). 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: It's = a struggle to narrow it down to 5, the ones that spring to mind today = are: NMA; Groop Dogdrill; Therapy?; Goldblade; the Damned. These are not = necessarily the bands I would listen to much at home, but the ones I = enjoy seeing most live. 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet: I = confess I don't spend much time looking, but the official site wasn't up = to much, and some of the fan-sites are a lot more informative. The best = place for info, however, is this gathering list. 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like = the following to happen: Another album & tour - is that too obvious?? 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain = your reaction Yes - most of the shows I saw were blinding, although = there were 1 or 2 off-days. I think though, one of the downsides of = following a band, is you get too critical when they're not quite on the = form you expect, and of course being tour-shattered yourself on some = days lessens the enjoyment. 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the = red Krusty Clown? Some of Mike Coles artwork. 25) Favorite track on the new album: The Death & Resurrection Show - = a masterpiece live. 26) Least favorite track on the new album: You'll never get to me - = too much of an anthem 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have = been: Seeing Red 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your = thoughts? No 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next = Killing Joke record? Can't say I've given it much thought. 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Unspeakable 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE = FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Clock # 20 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? = =20 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White = House: Iggy Pop 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? = No 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: UN = trial 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Is this a trick question? We haven't = got him... 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the = homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Unlikely, but neither do I think we've seen the = last of terrorism from NI. 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? No - but I'm = unlikely to change my behaviour in fear of it. In the west we're still = more likely to get run over, or killed in a car accident than be the = victim of terrorism. 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September = 11, 2001? No 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? Working - until = it happened, then surfing the web for news. 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would = be: start paying attention to the scientists' warnings about global = warming/coming ice-age etc which has to be more of a threat to the world = than terrorism?? and try to to something to turn things around. =20 42) Tony Blair is a: soon to be ex-prime minister 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American = Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: why?? 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why = you feel this way. Support your argument: Either that, or good at acting = as one... I don't however trust the motives of him and/or his advisors, = who I suspect are more interested in the financial outcome of this war, = than the well-being of the people in the middle east. 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation = better off: Bush's or Clinton's? I'm sure it's not black and white, but = I don't think Clinton would have been so keen to march in stirring up a = hornet's nest. ::::END:::: ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C63E.388EF532 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
Not=20 read any other responses yet - so apologies for any=20 duplications.
 
 1) Your Name:  Jane=20 Shadforth 

2) Your Age: =20 35 

3) Are you married and have you any=20 children?   No & No 

4) I live = here: =20 Ashton-under-Lyne (Manchester) UK 

5) I've = been a=20 member of the Gathering since:  erm - 2001 - I = think?? 

6)=20 What do you want for X-mas?  I don't do Xmas - 6 of us are going to = Athens to=20 escape it as best we can.

7) Your biggest = extravagance of=20 the year?  Timex combined heart rate & Speed & Distance=20 monitor. 

8) Your biggest hopes for 2004?  World=20 Peace of course - not overly optimistic though... and further KJ=20 dates. 

9) What was the last album you = bought,why, and=20 how is it?:  Future Ex-Wife - Miss September, and it's bloody = marvellous. This=20 is Pete Spiby (ex Groop Dogdrill)'s new band, and this has a lot of the = magic I=20 loved about Groop Dogdrill.

10) Not including the = new=20 Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the = year?  Future=20 Ex-Wife - Miss September; Desert Sessions 9 & 10; GU Medicine - = demo; Giga-0=20 - There's No Excuse (Well - I've gotta say that haven't I?); = Therapy? -=20 Scopophobia 

11) What live bands have you seen = recently. Did they rate?  In the last 3 months - NMA, Goldblade, = Metal=20 Urbain, The Damned, Machinehead, Therapy?, Alabama 3, Turbonegro, = Jane's=20 Addiction, BRMC, GU Medicine, Dandy Warhols, Marilyn Manson, = Echo & the=20 Bunnymen, Killing Joke and Giga-0. They all delivered the goods,=20 except Marilyn Manson who was just plain=20 mediocre...

12) Worst music you heard all = year: any Xmassy=20 crap - I hate this time of year. 

13) If I = find out=20 that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of themself, = I lose all=20 interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to = music)

14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing = new=20 material:  Groop Dogdrill, Creatures 

15) = Band(s)=20 most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day:  None -=20 they are all entitled to get out there, play and enjoy making a = living from=20 music. If I don't like them, I don't have to go and see them. They = should only=20 call it a day when they stop enjoying it.

16) = Albums most=20 in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee:  Hmmm: NMA=20 - Vengeance might be interesting.

17) Most = overrated music=20 of the year:  The Darkness would be too easy a target, at least they = are getting=20 up there and succeeding as a British rock band doing their own music. = I'm=20 afraid the willingness of the British public to lap up the pop idol = /=20 boy/girl band mindless, bland, pointless pop cover versions will always = piss me=20 off a lot more.

18) Most underrated music of the = year:  Hundreds=20 of touring/gigging bands who will never get a look in as long as the = great=20 British public continue to buy what they're told to instead of checking = out=20 what's happening at their local venue.  (I don't know if this = applies to=20 other countries too??).

19) Next to Killing Joke, = my top=20 five favorite bands/artists are:  It's a struggle to narrow it down to 5, = the ones=20 that spring to mind today are: NMA; Groop Dogdrill; Therapy?; Goldblade; = the=20 Damned. These are not necessarily the bands I would listen to much = at home,=20 but the ones I enjoy seeing most live.

20) Express = your=20 views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet:  I confess I don't = spend much=20 time looking, but the official site wasn't up to much, and some of the = fan-sites=20 are a lot more informative. The best place for info, however, is this = gathering=20 list.

22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the=20 rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen:  Another album = & tour -=20 is that too obvious??

23) Did you get to see = Killing Joke=20 on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction    Yes = - most of=20 the shows I saw were blinding, although there were 1 or 2 off-days. I = think=20 though, one of the downsides of following a band, is you get too = critical when=20 they're not quite on the form you expect, and of course being = tour-shattered=20 yourself on some days lessens the enjoyment.

24) = What would=20 you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty = Clown?    Some = of Mike=20 Coles artwork.

25) Favorite track on the new = album:    The = Death &=20 Resurrection Show - a masterpiece live.

26) Least = favorite=20 track on the new album:    You'll never get to me - too much of an=20 anthem

27) Were it up to you to have chosen the = first=20 single, it would have been:   =20 Seeing Red

28) Have you = managed to see=20 "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts?    No

29) Outside of Andy Gill, who = would you=20 like to see produce the next Killing Joke record?    Can't say I've=20 given it much thought.

30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today:    Unspeakable

31) Have you bought = anything from=20 Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Clock #=20 20

32) Goods you'd like to see made available on = Mike Coles=20 estimable site?       

33)=20 Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White = House:    Iggy = Pop

34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein = has=20 been apprehended?   No

35) Now that he's in custody, I = would=20 handle Saddam this way:    UN trial

36) Where is Osama Bin = Laden:    Is = this a trick=20 question? We haven't got him...

37) Have we seen = the last=20 of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Unlikely, but neither = do I think=20 we've seen the last of terrorism from NI.

38) Do = you feel=20 prepared for another such instance?    No - = but I'm=20 unlikely to change my behaviour in fear of it. In the west we're still = more=20 likely to get run over, or killed in a car accident than be the victim = of=20 terrorism.

39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do = with=20 the events of September 11, 2001?    No

40) Where were = you/what were=20 you doing on that day?    =20 Working - until it happened, then surfing the web = for=20 news.

41) Were you the next American president, = your first=20 act in office would be:  start paying attention to the scientists' warnings about = global=20 warming/coming ice-age etc which has to be more of a threat to the world = than=20 terrorism?? and try to to something to turn things around. =20

42) Tony Blair is a: soon to be ex-prime=20 minister

43) They want replace Franklin Delano = Roosevelt's=20 face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your=20 reaction: why??

44) George W. Bush is an = idiot: True or=20 False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your = argument: Either that, or good = at acting as=20 one... I don't however trust the motives of him and/or his advisors, who = I=20 suspect are more interested in the financial outcome of this war, than = the=20 well-being of the people in the middle east.

45) Under which American = administration was=20 the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? I'm sure it's not = black and white,=20 but I don't think Clinton would have been so keen to march in stirring = up a=20 hornet's nest.

::::END::::
------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C63E.388EF532-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 14:51:14 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (fat potanga) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:51:14 +0000 Subject: [kj] OT Friday Crappage Message-ID: http://www.rathergood.com/hedgehogs/ Enjoy? fat Jxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.fatpotanga.co.uk www.iam-jam.com _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 14:49:44 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Ford Prefect) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:49:44 -0000 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 References: Message-ID: <001901c3c63f$967e3a40$71809351@sn7212787026> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3C63F.576E1FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1) Your Name: Graham Woody2shooz 2) Your Age: 21 :-) 3) Are you married and have you any children? yes 4) I live here: London 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: sometime last year 6) What do you want for X-mas? to sit and drink and complain about all = the shit on telly without bothering to do anything about it 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? snowboarding canada 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? how about another war?=20 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: killing joke 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five=20 favorite releases of the year? Danko Jones is good 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Danko Jones & = Electric Eel Shock last week. Entertaining 12) Worst music you heard all year: Coldplay, Travis and all that = whining bollocks 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of me (but = there aren't any, so I talk to everyone) I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music) 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: = Judas Priest 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: dorkness 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: = Killing Joke of course 17) Most overrated music of the year: dorkness 18) Most underrated music of the year: Killing Joke 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: Judas Priest, Motorhead, Ruts, X-Ray Spex, Lolita #18 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet=20 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like = the=20 following to happen: another tour, then another one, and another 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain = your reaction yes, rejuvenation 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the = red=20 Krusty Clown? the simpsons Krusty 25) Favorite track on the new album: Blood On Your Hands tied with Death = & Resurrection Show 26) Least favorite track on the new album: Seeing Red 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have = been: Blood On Your Hands 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your = thoughts? no 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next = Killing=20 Joke record? My mate Dan 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Madness 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Yes 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? = Malicious Damage stetson for my statesdie tour next year END 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White=20 House:=20 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September = 11,=20 2001? 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would = be: 42) Tony Blair is a:=20 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American = Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why = you feel this way. Support your argument: 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons = http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3C63F.576E1FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 


1) Your Name: Graham Woody2shooz


2) Your Age: 21 = :-)


3) Are you married and have you any children? = yes


4) I=20 live here: London

5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: = sometime=20 last year

6) What do you want for X-mas? to sit and drink and = complain=20 about all the shit on telly without bothering to do anything about = it

7)=20 Your biggest extravagance of the year? snowboarding canada

8) = Your=20 biggest hopes for 2004? how about another war?

9) What was the = last=20 album you bought,why, and how is it?: killing joke

10) Not = including the=20 new Killing Joke album, what were your top five
favorite releases of = the=20 year? Danko Jones is good

11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? = Danko Jones=20 & Electric Eel Shock last week. Entertaining

12) Worst music = you=20 heard all year: Coldplay, Travis and all that whining = bollocks

13) If I=20 find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of me (but there = aren't=20 any, so I talk to everyone)
I
lose all interest in talking to them = (note:=20 your answer need not be
restricted to music)

14) Band(s) most = in need=20 of reforming/touring/releasing new material: Judas Priest

15) = Band(s)=20 most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: dorkness

16) = Albums=20 most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: Killing Joke = of=20 course

17) Most overrated music of the year: dorkness

18) Most underrated music of the year: Killing Joke

19) = Next to=20 Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are:
Judas Priest,=20 Motorhead, Ruts, X-Ray Spex, Lolita #18

20) Express your views on = Killing=20 Joke's presence on the Internet

22) Regarding the Joke, despite = all the=20 rumormongering, I'd really like the
following to happen: another = tour, then=20 another one, and another

23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on = this=20 tour? If so, briefly explain
your reaction yes, = rejuvenation

24) What=20 would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red =
Krusty=20 Clown? the simpsons Krusty

25) Favorite track on the new album: = Blood On=20 Your Hands tied with Death & Resurrection Show

26) Least = favorite=20 track on the new album: Seeing Red

27) Were it up to you to have = chosen=20 the first single, it would have been: Blood On Your Hands

28) = Have you=20 managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? = no

29)=20 Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing =
Joke record? My mate Dan

30) Killing Joke track that best = sums up the=20 world today: Madness

31) Have you bought anything from Malicious = Damage=20 yet? If not, WHAT THE
FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Yes

32) Goods = you'd=20 like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? Malicious = Damage=20 stetson for my statesdie tour next year
END

33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in = the White=20
House:

34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has = been=20 apprehended?


35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle = Saddam this=20 way:

36) Where is Osama Bin Laden:

37) Have we seen the = last of=20 terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the
homefront = (US/UK/EUR)?

38) Do=20 you feel prepared for another such instance?

39) Do you think = Iraq had=20 anything to do with the events of September 11,
2001?

40) = Where were=20 you/what were you doing on that day?

41) Were you the next = American=20 president, your first act in office would be:

42) Tony Blair is = a:=20

43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the = American=20 Dime
with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your = reaction:


44)=20 George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why = you
feel=20 this way. Support your argument:

45) Under which American = administration=20 was the world/your own situation
better off: Bush's or=20 Clinton's?


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------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3C63F.576E1FA0-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 15:38:25 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Christof hamille) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:38:25 -0500 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Message-ID: I agree. I saw them on the Fiendfest tour through the States and it was one of the better times (maybe the best) I have seen them (I am guessing 5). I say the so-called Misfits to give up before the dickies Chris >From: gingoblin@easynet.co.uk >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 >Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:47:29 +0000 > >No no no!! :-) The Dickies have been excellent the last few times I've >seen 'em! There's far more needy contenders for fucking off surely!! >Hordes of them in fact. > > >At 19:32 18/12/2003 -0800, you wrote: >>1) Your Name: Tom Kennedy >> >>15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: THE >>DICKIES > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger — learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 16:13:10 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:13:10 -0500 Subject: [kj] KJ producer Message-ID: <200312191613.hBJGD0Of022591@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154677190_85011_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Having Steve Albini produce (oh, pardon me Steve, "record") a Killing Joke record would be an insult to all involved. It'd be like having Tori Amos produce the next Kate Bush record, or Tim Armstrong produce a Clash record. Killing Joke are the master, Albini is merely a very zealous student. One brief, fleeting listen to, say, "L Dopa" on SONGS ABOUT FUCKING reveals as much. That said, I find most of Albini's recording projects blunted and devoid of spark or even the slightest semblance of treble. To my long-suffering, wax-caked, bleeding, perpetually whistling ears, everything he helms is reduced to a dull roar (witness his ham-fisted rendering of The Wedding Present on SEAMONSTERS, burying the chime of the guitars in quagmire of tuneless bass). And....if reports are correct.....he's a dick. Alex in NYC ---------- From: GregSlawson@aol.com To: gathering@misera.net Subject: [kj] KJ producer Date: Thu, Dec 18, 2003, 6:41 PM 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? Steve Albini Thanks--what an obvious choice! I'm sure he's a huge Joke fan. --MS_Mac_OE_3154677190_85011_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] KJ producer
Having Steve Albini produce (oh, pardon me Steve, "record") a Kil= ling Joke record would be an insult to all involved. It'd be like having Tor= i Amos produce the next Kate Bush record, or Tim Armstrong produce a Clash r= ecord. Killing Joke are the master, Albini is merely a very zealous student.= One brief, fleeting listen to, say, "L Dopa" on SONGS ABOUT FUCKI= NG reveals as much.

That said, I find most of Albini's recording projects blunted and devoid of= spark or even the slightest semblance of treble. To my long-suffering, wax-= caked, bleeding, perpetually whistling ears, everything he helms is reduced = to a dull roar (witness his ham-fisted rendering of The Wedding Present on S= EAMONSTERS, burying the chime of the guitars in quagmire of tuneless bass).<= BR>
And....if reports are correct.....he's a dick.

Alex in NYC



----------
From: GregSlawson@aol.com
To: gathering@misera.net
Subject: [kj] KJ producer
Date: Thu, Dec 18, 2003, 6:41 PM


29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to = see produce the next Killing Joke record? Steve Albini


Thanks--what an obvious choice! I'm sure he's a huge Joke fan.
--MS_Mac_OE_3154677190_85011_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 16:22:24 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:22:24 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? Message-ID: <200312191622.hBJGMFtu019781@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154677744_118381_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable ...if we are, my only observations are: 1. They're Christians, which renders their music instantly moot, as far as I'm concerned. 2. Despite her much touted operatic background, I don't hear a lot of range in her shrill mewling. 3. If their name is Evanescence, why won't they hurry up and vanish already= ? There's more to "Goth/Gothic/Goff" than wearing black, by the way. Alex in NYC ---------- From: Jester To: Gathering Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Date: Thu, Dec 18, 2003, 7:50 PM Be one thing if she was drop dead hot, but she isn't even that great to loo= k at...I seriously do not understand it. Horrible vox Cheesy lyrics Boring musicianship Nothing to really look at I just cant figure it out...I mean, as talent less as Britney is, at least shes hot... On 12/18/03 6:06 PM, "Will E Scheipers" wrote: I think it is the chick singer appeal, the old "They Rock and their singer is a GURL!" Kinda like the riot grrl explosion of the 90's. From, Will On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:03:38 +0000 (GMT) =3D?iso-8859-1?q?bluce=3D20ree?=3D writes: what i dont get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth metallers with a whimp= y chick singer can get to number 1. Will E Scheipers wrote: Have you ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs all have open cords as the verse for every song? I don't get it either..... From, Will 17) Most overrated music of the year: My wife has been listening to Evanesance or something like that, a lot. I just don=92t get it... Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --MS_Mac_OE_3154677744_118381_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here?

...if we are, my only observations are:
1. They're Christians, which renders their music instantly moot, as far as = I'm concerned.
2. Despite her much touted operatic background, I don't hear a lot of range= in her shrill mewling.
3. If their name is Evanescence, why won't they hurry up and vanish already= ?

There's more to "Goth/Gothic/Goff" than wearing black, by the way= .

Alex in NYC




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From: Jester <webmaster@killing-joke.com>
To: Gathering <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
Date: Thu, Dec 18, 2003, 7:50 PM


Be one thing if she was drop dead hot, but she isn't even that = great to look at...I seriously do not understand it.

Horrible vox
Cheesy lyrics
Boring musicianship
Nothing to really look at

I just cant figure it out...I mean, as talent less as Britney is, at least = shes hot...

On 12/18/03 6:06 PM, "Will E Scheipers" <wscheip1@juno.com> wrote:

I think it is the chick singer appeal, the old "They Rock = and their singer is a GURL!" Kinda like the riot grrl explosion of the = 90's.
 
From,
Will
 
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:03:38 +0000 (GMT) =3D?iso-8859-1?q?bluce=3D20ree?=3D <<= FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF">bluceree2003@yahoo.co.uk> writes:
 
what i dont get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth metallers with a  = whimpy chick singer can get to number 1.  

Will E Scheipers  <wscheip1@= juno.com> wrote:  
  
Have you ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs all have  = open cords as the verse for every song? I don't get it either.....
 
 
 
From,
Will
 
 
 


17) Most  overrated music of the year:

My wife has been listening to Evanesance  or something like that, a lo= t. I just don=92t get  it...




 

 

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--MS_Mac_OE_3154677744_118381_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 16:51:04 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (J.Paul Owens) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:51:04 +0000 Subject: [kj] KJ producer Message-ID: >Having Steve Albini produce (oh, pardon me Steve, "record") a Killing Joke >record would be an insult to all involved. Agree 100% Alex. In fact I don't know if I can think of a worse producer for the Joke. He has produced the odd stunner ("Surfer Rosa" springs to mind) but for the most part i son't 'get it'. Sound tinny to me. Still love big Black + (some) Shellac though (Was anyone else unfortunate to buy '1000 Hurts'? s.t.i.n.k.e.r.). john-paul _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 16:53:00 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:53:00 -0500 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Message-ID: <200312191652.hBJGqptu005154@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154679580_228789_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit "11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? In the last 3 months - NMA, Goldblade, Metal Urbain, The Damned, Machinehead, Therapy?, Alabama 3, Turbonegro, Jane's Addiction, BRMC, GU Medicine, Dandy Warhols, Marilyn Manson, Echo & the Bunnymen, Killing Joke and Giga-0. They all delivered the goods, except Marilyn Manson who was just plain mediocre..." Cripes! Jane gets out more than any of us! Alex in NYC ---------- From: "Shadforth, Jane E SUKOP-UOIT/42" To: Subject: RE: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Date: Fri, Dec 19, 2003, 9:41 AM Not read any other responses yet - so apologies for any duplications. 1) Your Name: Jane Shadforth 2) Your Age: 35 3) Are you married and have you any children? No & No 4) I live here: Ashton-under-Lyne (Manchester) UK 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: erm - 2001 - I think?? 6) What do you want for X-mas? I don't do Xmas - 6 of us are going to Athens to escape it as best we can. 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? Timex combined heart rate & Speed & Distance monitor. 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? World Peace of course - not overly optimistic though... and further KJ dates. 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: Future Ex-Wife - Miss September, and it's bloody marvellous. This is Pete Spiby (ex Groop Dogdrill)'s new band, and this has a lot of the magic I loved about Groop Dogdrill. 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? Future Ex-Wife - Miss September; Desert Sessions 9 & 10; GU Medicine - demo; Giga-0 - There's No Excuse (Well - I've gotta say that haven't I?); Therapy? - Scopophobia 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? In the last 3 months - NMA, Goldblade, Metal Urbain, The Damned, Machinehead, Therapy?, Alabama 3, Turbonegro, Jane's Addiction, BRMC, GU Medicine, Dandy Warhols, Marilyn Manson, Echo & the Bunnymen, Killing Joke and Giga-0. They all delivered the goods, except Marilyn Manson who was just plain mediocre... 12) Worst music you heard all year: any Xmassy crap - I hate this time of year. 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of themself, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music) 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: Groop Dogdrill, Creatures 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: None - they are all entitled to get out there, play and enjoy making a living from music. If I don't like them, I don't have to go and see them. They should only call it a day when they stop enjoying it. 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: Hmmm: NMA - Vengeance might be interesting. 17) Most overrated music of the year: The Darkness would be too easy a target, at least they are getting up there and succeeding as a British rock band doing their own music. I'm afraid the willingness of the British public to lap up the pop idol / boy/girl band mindless, bland, pointless pop cover versions will always piss me off a lot more. 18) Most underrated music of the year: Hundreds of touring/gigging bands who will never get a look in as long as the great British public continue to buy what they're told to instead of checking out what's happening at their local venue. (I don't know if this applies to other countries too??). 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: It's a struggle to narrow it down to 5, the ones that spring to mind today are: NMA; Groop Dogdrill; Therapy?; Goldblade; the Damned. These are not necessarily the bands I would listen to much at home, but the ones I enjoy seeing most live. 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet: I confess I don't spend much time looking, but the official site wasn't up to much, and some of the fan-sites are a lot more informative. The best place for info, however, is this gathering list. 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: Another album & tour - is that too obvious?? 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction Yes - most of the shows I saw were blinding, although there were 1 or 2 off-days. I think though, one of the downsides of following a band, is you get too critical when they're not quite on the form you expect, and of course being tour-shattered yourself on some days lessens the enjoyment. 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? Some of Mike Coles artwork. 25) Favorite track on the new album: The Death & Resurrection Show - a masterpiece live. 26) Least favorite track on the new album: You'll never get to me - too much of an anthem 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: Seeing Red 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? No 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? Can't say I've given it much thought. 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Unspeakable 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Clock # 20 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: Iggy Pop 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? No 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: UN trial 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Is this a trick question? We haven't got him... 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Unlikely, but neither do I think we've seen the last of terrorism from NI. 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? No - but I'm unlikely to change my behaviour in fear of it. In the west we're still more likely to get run over, or killed in a car accident than be the victim of terrorism. 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? No 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? Working - until it happened, then surfing the web for news. 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: start paying attention to the scientists' warnings about global warming/coming ice-age etc which has to be more of a threat to the world than terrorism?? and try to to something to turn things around. 42) Tony Blair is a: soon to be ex-prime minister 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: why?? 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: Either that, or good at acting as one... I don't however trust the motives of him and/or his advisors, who I suspect are more interested in the financial outcome of this war, than the well-being of the people in the middle east. 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? I'm sure it's not black and white, but I don't think Clinton would have been so keen to march in stirring up a hornet's nest. ::::END:::: --MS_Mac_OE_3154679580_228789_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
"11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate?  In the last 3 months - NMA, Goldblade, Meta= l Urbain, The Damned, Machinehead, Therapy?, Alabama 3, Turbonegro, Jane's A= ddiction, BRMC, GU Medicine, Dandy Warhols, Marilyn Manson, Echo & the B= unnymen, Killing Joke and Giga-0. They all delivered the goods, except Maril= yn Manson who was just plain mediocre..."


Cripes! Jane gets out more than any of us!

Alex in NYC



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From: "Shadforth, Jane E SUKOP-UOIT/42" <jane.shadforth@shell.= com>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: RE: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
Date: Fri, Dec 19, 2003, 9:41 AM


Not read any other respons= es yet - so apologies for any duplications.
 
 1) Your Name:  Jane Shadfor= th

2) Your Age:  35

3) Are you married and have you any children?   No & No

4) I live here:  Ashton-under-Lyn= e (Manchester) UK

5) I've been a member of the Gathering since:  erm - 2001 - I think??

6) What do you want for X-mas?  I= don't do Xmas - 6 of us are going to Athens to escape it as best we can.
7) Your biggest extravagance of the year?  Timex combined heart rate & Speed & Distance monitor.

8) Your biggest hopes for 2004?  = World Peace of course - not overly optimistic though... and further KJ dates= .

9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?:  Future Ex-Wife - Miss September, and it's bloody = marvellous. This is Pete Spiby (ex Groop Dogdrill)'s new band, and this has = a lot of the magic I loved about Groop Dogdrill.

10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favor= ite releases of the year?  Future = Ex-Wife - Miss September; Desert Sessions 9 & 10; GU Medicine - demo; Gi= ga-0 - There's No Excuse (Well - I've gotta say that haven't I?); Therapy? -= Scopophobia

11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate?  In the last 3 months - NMA, Goldblade, Metal Urba= in, The Damned, Machinehead, Therapy?, Alabama 3, Turbonegro, Jane's Addicti= on, BRMC, GU Medicine, Dandy Warhols, Marilyn Manson, Echo & the Bunnyme= n, Killing Joke and Giga-0. They all delivered the goods, except Marilyn Man= son who was just plain mediocre...

12) Worst music you heard all year: an= y Xmassy crap - I hate this time of year.

13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of themself, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: y= our answer need not be restricted to music)

14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material:  Groop Dogdrill, Creatures

15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day:  None - they are all entitled to get out ther= e, play and enjoy making a living from music. If I don't like them, I don't = have to go and see them. They should only call it a day when they stop enjoy= ing it.

16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee:  Hmmm: NMA - Vengeance might be interes= ting.

17) Most overrated music of the year: =  The Darkness would be too easy a target, at least they are getting up = there and succeeding as a British rock band doing their own music. I'm afrai= d the willingness of the British public to lap up the pop idol / boy/girl ba= nd mindless, bland, pointless pop cover versions will always piss me off a l= ot more.

18) Most underrated music of the year:=  Hundreds of touring/gigging bands who will never get a look in as lon= g as the great British public continue to buy what they're told to instead o= f checking out what's happening at their local venue.  (I don't know if= this applies to other countries too??).

19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are:  It's a struggle to narrow it down to 5, th= e ones that spring to mind today are: NMA; Groop Dogdrill; Therapy?; Goldbla= de; the Damned. These are not necessarily the bands I would listen to much a= t home, but the ones I enjoy seeing most live.

20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet:  I confess I don't spend much time looking, but the offic= ial site wasn't up to much, and some of the fan-sites are a lot more informa= tive. The best place for info, however, is this gathering list.

22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the= following to happen:  Another album & tour -= is that too obvious??

23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain yo= ur reaction    Yes - most of the shows = I saw were blinding, although there were 1 or 2 off-days. I think though, on= e of the downsides of following a band, is you get too critical when they're= not quite on the form you expect, and of course being tour-shattered yourse= lf on some days lessens the enjoyment.

24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red = Krusty Clown?    Some of Mike Coles art= work.

25) Favorite track on the new album:    The Death & Resurrection Show - a masterpiece live.

26) Least favorite track on the new album:    You'll never get to me - too much of an anthem

27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: =    Seeing Red

28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your = thoughts?    No

29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killin= g Joke record?    Can't say I've given = it much thought.

30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today:    = ;Unspeakable

31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FU= CK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Clock # 20

32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? &n= bsp;     

33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White Hou= se:    Iggy Pop

34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended?  = ; No

35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way:   &= nbsp;UN trial

36) Where is Osama Bin Laden:    Is th= is a trick question? We haven't got him...

37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefro= nt (US/UK/EUR)? Unlikely, but neither do I think we've= seen the last of terrorism from NI.

38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance?    No - but I'm unlikely to change my behaviour in fear of it.= In the west we're still more likely to get run over, or killed in a car acc= ident than be the victim of terrorism.

39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2= 001?    No

40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day?     = ;Working - until it happened, then surfing the web for= news.

41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be= :  start paying attention to the scientists' warn= ings about global warming/coming ice-age etc which has to be more of a threa= t to the world than terrorism?? and try to to something to turn things aroun= d.  

42) Tony Blair is a: soon to be ex-prime minister

43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime= with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: why??

44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you= feel this way. Support your argument: Either that, or= good at acting as one... I don't however trust the motives of him and/or hi= s advisors, who I suspect are more interested in the financial outcome of th= is war, than the well-being of the people in the middle east.

45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation be= tter off: Bush's or Clinton's? I'm sure it's not black= and white, but I don't think Clinton would have been so keen to march in st= irring up a hornet's nest.

::::END::::

--MS_Mac_OE_3154679580_228789_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 17:02:57 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Leigh Newton) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:02:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] KJ producer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031219170257.81193.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com> I agree, it would be a sucky match, but you gotta admit-some of those Jesus Lizard albums he did kicked a lot of ass. Particularily Liar. The sound of that album really blew my head off back when it came out. Leigh --- "J.Paul Owens" wrote: > >Having Steve Albini produce (oh, pardon me Steve, > "record") a Killing Joke > >record would be an insult to all involved. > > Agree 100% Alex. In fact I don't know if I can think > of a worse producer for > the Joke. He has produced the odd stunner ("Surfer > Rosa" springs to mind) > but for the most part i son't 'get it'. Sound tinny > to me. Still love big > Black + (some) Shellac though (Was anyone else > unfortunate to buy '1000 > Hurts'? s.t.i.n.k.e.r.). > > john-paul > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN > Messenger today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ===== http://www.daiquiri.tvheaven.com http://www.tweek.tvheaven.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 17:17:42 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?bluce=20ree?=) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:17:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? In-Reply-To: <200312191622.hBJGMFtu019781@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20031219171742.9474.qmail@web86109.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --0-1397619594-1071854262=:8800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit point one should be written in the new European constitution. Alex Smith wrote: ...if we are, my only observations are: 1. They're Christians, which renders their music instantly moot, as far as I'm concerned. 2. Despite her much touted operatic background, I don't hear a lot of range in her shrill mewling. 3. If their name is Evanescence, why won't they hurry up and vanish already? There's more to "Goth/Gothic/Goff" than wearing black, by the way. Alex in NYC ---------- From: Jester To: Gathering Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Date: Thu, Dec 18, 2003, 7:50 PM Be one thing if she was drop dead hot, but she isn't even that great to look at...I seriously do not understand it. Horrible vox Cheesy lyrics Boring musicianship Nothing to really look at I just cant figure it out...I mean, as talent less as Britney is, at least shes hot... On 12/18/03 6:06 PM, "Will E Scheipers" wrote: I think it is the chick singer appeal, the old "They Rock and their singer is a GURL!" Kinda like the riot grrl explosion of the 90's. From, Will On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:03:38 +0000 (GMT) =?iso-8859-1?q?bluce=20ree?= writes: what i dont get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth metallers with a whimpy chick singer can get to number 1. Will E Scheipers wrote: Have you ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs all have open cords as the verse for every song? I don't get it either..... From, Will 17) Most overrated music of the year: My wife has been listening to Evanesance or something like that, a lot. I just don’t get it... --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now --0-1397619594-1071854262=:8800 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
point one should be written in the new European constitution.

Alex Smith <vassifer@earthlink.net> wrote:


...if we are, my only observations are:
1. They're Christians, which renders their music instantly moot, as far as I'm concerned.
2. Despite her much touted operatic background, I don't hear a lot of range in her shrill mewling.
3. If their name is Evanescence, why won't they hurry up and vanish already?

There's more to "Goth/Gothic/Goff" than wearing black, by the way.

Alex in NYC




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From: Jester <webmaster@killing-joke.com>
To: Gathering <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
Date: Thu, Dec 18, 2003, 7:50 PM


Be one thing if she was drop dead hot, but she isn't even that great to look at...I seriously do not understand it.

Horrible vox
Cheesy lyrics
Boring musicianship
Nothing to really look at

I just cant figure it out...I mean, as talent less as Britney is, at least shes hot...

On 12/18/03 6:06 PM, "Will E Scheipers" <wscheip1@juno.com> wrote:

I think it is the chick singer appeal, the old "They Rock and their singer is a GURL!" Kinda like the riot grrl explosion of the 90's.
 
From,
Will
 
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:03:38 +0000 (GMT) =?iso-8859-1?q?bluce=20ree?= <bluceree2003@yahoo.co.uk> writes:
 
what i dont get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth metallers with a  whimpy chick singer can get to number 1.  

Will E Scheipers  <wscheip1@juno.com> wrote:  
  
Have you ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs all have  open cords as the verse for every song? I don't get it either.....
 
 
 
From,
Will
 
 
 


17) Most  overrated music of the year:

My wife has been listening to Evanesance  or something like that, a lot. I just don’t get  it...




 

 

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Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now --0-1397619594-1071854262=:8800-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 17:27:24 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Phillipps Marc) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:27:24 -0000 Subject: [kj] (ot) Lovecraftian Christmas . . . Message-ID: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1F8@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> http://www.cthulhulives.org/Solstice/ This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 17:36:58 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (parasikon) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:36:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] KJ producer In-Reply-To: <20031219170257.81193.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031219173658.7568.qmail@web20422.mail.yahoo.com> --0-850232649-1071855418=:7514 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Think Terry Date would be to easy of a choice?Kind of curious as to what it would sound like.Then again, afraid he'd muck up the guitar sound too though. Leigh Newton wrote:I agree, it would be a sucky match, but you gotta admit-some of those Jesus Lizard albums he did kicked a lot of ass. Particularily Liar. The sound of that album really blew my head off back when it came out. Leigh --- "J.Paul Owens" wrote: > >Having Steve Albini produce (oh, pardon me Steve, > "record") a Killing Joke > >record would be an insult to all involved. > > Agree 100% Alex. In fact I don't know if I can think > of a worse producer for > the Joke. He has produced the odd stunner ("Surfer > Rosa" springs to mind) > but for the most part i son't 'get it'. Sound tinny > to me. Still love big > Black + (some) Shellac though (Was anyone else > unfortunate to buy '1000 > Hurts'? s.t.i.n.k.e.r.). > > john-paul > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN > Messenger today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ===== http://www.daiquiri.tvheaven.com http://www.tweek.tvheaven.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --0-850232649-1071855418=:7514 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Think Terry Date would be to easy of a choice?Kind of curious as to what it would sound like.Then again, afraid he'd muck up the guitar sound too though.

Leigh Newton <morbidflorist@yahoo.com> wrote:
I agree, it would be a sucky match, but you gotta
admit-some of those Jesus Lizard albums he did kicked
a lot of ass. Particularily Liar. The sound of that
album really blew my head off back when it came out.

Leigh

--- "J.Paul Owens"
wrote:
> >Having Steve Albini produce (oh, pardon me Steve,
> "record") a Killing Joke
> >record would be an insult to all involved.
>
> Agree 100% Alex. In fact I don't know if I can think
> of a worse producer for
> the Joke. He has produced the odd stunner ("Surfer
> Rosa" springs to mind)
> but for the most part i son't 'get it'. Sound tinny
> to me. Still love big
> Black + (some) Shellac though (Was anyone else
> unfortunate to buy '1000
> Hurts'? s.t.i.n.k.e.r.).
>
> john-paul
>
>
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New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --0-850232649-1071855418=:7514-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 17:41:43 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?bluce=20ree?=) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:41:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] OT::Wish me luck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031219174143.66876.qmail@web86106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --0-562680530-1071855703=:64375 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jester, I feel your pain. I had to go shopping in Liverpool (twinned with Beirut) today. I have never seen such a high concentration of little bastards in one place. Jester wrote:The gates of hell hath opened, and now I must go out to the real world, and brave the hordes of ass holes to wrap up holiday shopping. People have all lost their fucking minds, and t’is all I can do to keep control and not go “Charles Witman” here. This is my nightmare... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now --0-562680530-1071855703=:64375 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Jester, I feel your pain.  I had to go shopping in Liverpool (twinned with Beirut) today.  I have never seen such a high concentration of little bastards in one place. 

Jester <webmaster@killing-joke.com> wrote:
The gates of hell hath opened, and now I must go out to the real world, and brave the hordes of ass holes to wrap up holiday shopping. People have all lost their fucking minds, and t’is all I can do to keep control and not go “Charles Witman” here.

This is my nightmare...

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THE WEBMASTER,
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Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now --0-562680530-1071855703=:64375-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 17:51:23 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:51:23 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? In-Reply-To: <200312191622.hBJGMFtu019781@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: On 12/19/03 10:22 AM, "Alex Smith" wrote: > ...if we are, my only observations are: > 1. They're Christians, which renders their music instantly moot, as far as I'm > concerned. An angle in ones vision, like this, typically and tragically lessens the validity of the music. Not all the time, but as a rule, a bias such as "Christian Rock" tends to reduce itself to nothing more than watered down, Christian version of 80's hair bands. Rather than "She's Only 17", we now will hear "She is a Christian Queen". > 2. Despite her much touted operatic background, I don't hear a lot of range in > her shrill mewling. Her? Opera? Hahahaha...you have GOT to be kidding me. Range...my dog has more range grunting when he shits! > 3. If their name is Evanescence, why won't they hurry up and vanish already? Tragically still, I am convinced that the great minds and artists die way before their time, and the crap is left behind to further proliferate the idea that this is indeed hell on earth. Examples? John Belushi (SP?) dead...his lame ass brother Jim...alive. George Harrison and John Lennon...dead...Ringo and Paul...alive. Jimmi Hendrix..dead. Eddie VanHalen...alive. Stevie Ray Vaughn...dead...every last member of every boy band still lingers on. We are doomed! > > There's more to "Goth/Gothic/Goff" than wearing black, by the way. Reminds me of what I use to tell my wife. "Punk is a state of mind, not how many clothes you buy at Hot Topic". Todd can prolly vouch for this one on a mutual friend. Andy Fuertsch is one of the biggest punks around. Yet he looks like the Gerber baby. Yes, I have seen the Gerber baby flick lit cigarettes at the crowd in Austin, and get himself and the rest of Texas God banned from clubs....it is indeed, a state of mind. KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 17:47:39 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?bluce=20ree?=) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:47:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] OT Friday Crappage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031219174739.95483.qmail@web86107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --0-1090271925-1071856059=:95326 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i feel guilty for laughing... fat potanga wrote:http://www.rathergood.com/hedgehogs/ Enjoy? fat Jxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.fatpotanga.co.uk www.iam-jam.com _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gatheri --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now --0-1090271925-1071856059=:95326 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
i feel guilty for laughing...

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Enjoy?

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Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now --0-1090271925-1071856059=:95326-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 17:55:30 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (KETRACEL WHITE) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:55:30 -0800 Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? References: <200312191622.hBJGMFtu019781@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C3C616.3C9195A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here?"There's more = to "Goth/Gothic/Goff" than wearing black, by the way." Like what? Reading Camus & smoking Cloves??? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alex Smith=20 To: gathering@misera.net ; Gathering=20 Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? ...if we are, my only observations are: 1. They're Christians, which renders their music instantly moot, as = far as I'm concerned. 2. Despite her much touted operatic background, I don't hear a lot of = range in her shrill mewling. 3. If their name is Evanescence, why won't they hurry up and vanish = already? There's more to "Goth/Gothic/Goff" than wearing black, by the way. Alex in NYC ---------- From: Jester To: Gathering Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Date: Thu, Dec 18, 2003, 7:50 PM Be one thing if she was drop dead hot, but she isn't even that great = to look at...I seriously do not understand it. Horrible vox Cheesy lyrics Boring musicianship Nothing to really look at I just cant figure it out...I mean, as talent less as Britney is, at = least shes hot... On 12/18/03 6:06 PM, "Will E Scheipers" wrote: I think it is the chick singer appeal, the old "They Rock and = their singer is a GURL!" Kinda like the riot grrl explosion of the 90's. =20 From, Will =20 On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:03:38 +0000 (GMT) = =3D?iso-8859-1?q?bluce=3D20ree?=3D writes: =20 what i dont get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth metallers with = a whimpy chick singer can get to number 1. =20 Will E Scheipers wrote: =20 =20 Have you ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs all = have open cords as the verse for every song? I don't get it either..... =20 =20 =20 From, Will =20 =20 =20 17) Most overrated music of the year: My wife has been listening to Evanesance or something like that, = a lot. I just don't get it... =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Yahoo! Messenger = = - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download = Messenger Now = = =20 =20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!=20 OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows = or Gates?" ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C3C616.3C9195A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence = here?
"There's more to "Goth/Gothic/Goff" than wearing black, by the = way."
 
Like what?  Reading Camus & = smoking=20 Cloves???
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alex=20 Smith
To: gathering@misera.net ; Gathering=20
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 = 8:22=20 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Are we = still=20 talking about Evanescence here?



...if we are, my only observations are:
1. = They're=20 Christians, which renders their music instantly moot, as far as I'm=20 concerned.
2. Despite her much touted operatic background, I don't = hear a=20 lot of range in her shrill mewling.
3. If their name is = Evanescence, why=20 won't they hurry up and vanish already?

There's more to=20 "Goth/Gothic/Goff" than wearing black, by the way.

Alex in=20 NYC




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From: Jester=20 <webmaster@killing-joke.com>
To: Gathering=20 <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR=20 `03
Date: Thu, Dec 18, 2003, 7:50 PM


Be one thing if she was drop dead hot, but she isn't even = that=20 great to look at...I seriously do not understand it.

Horrible = vox
Cheesy lyrics
Boring musicianship
Nothing to really = look=20 at

I just cant figure it out...I mean, as talent less as = Britney is,=20 at least shes hot...

On 12/18/03 6:06 PM, "Will E Scheipers"=20 <wscheip1@juno.com> = wrote:

I think it is the chick singer appeal, the old "They = Rock and=20 their singer is a GURL!" Kinda like the riot grrl explosion of the = 90's.
 
From,
Will
 
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 = 20:03:38=20 +0000 (GMT) =3D?iso-8859-1?q?bluce=3D20ree?=3D <bluceree2003@yahoo.co.uk>=20 writes:
 
what i dont get is how a bunch of = god-botherer goth=20 metallers with a  whimpy chick singer can get to number 1.=20  

Will E Scheipers  <wscheip1@juno.com> = wrote:=20  
  
Have you ever noticed that all of = evanescence's=20 radio songs all have  open cords as the verse for every song? = I don't=20 get it=20 = either.....
 
 
 
From,
Will
 
&= nbsp;
 


17)=20 Most  overrated music of the year:

My wife has been = listening=20 to Evanesance  or something like that, a lot. I just don=92t = get=20 =  it...




 

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C3C616.3C9195A0-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 18:02:48 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Phillipps Marc) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:02:48 -0000 Subject: [kj] (ot) 2004 Calendar Message-ID: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1FB@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> http://www.sigsy.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/calendar/ Thanks to SickBoy at B3ta . . . . wrong . . very, very wrong . . .=20 :=AC) This communication may contain information that is confidential and = legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). = If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information = within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet = Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 18:06:30 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:06:30 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT::Wish me luck In-Reply-To: <20031219174143.66876.qmail@web86106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 12/19/03 11:41 AM, "bluce ree" wrote: > Jester, I feel your pain. I had to go shopping in Liverpool (twinned wit= h > Beirut) today. I have never seen such a high concentration of little bas= tards > in one place. =20 >=20 Heh, get this man...my wife, for the holidays, is working at the "Satan" booth where his minions and hordes of evil followers come to get their picture take with the bearded foe of all that is holy and just. If the way parents conduct themselves now, and allow their kids to conduct themselves is any indication as to the shape the world will be in, in 20 to 30 years...you can kill me off now. Sorry folks, but if your 15 year boy old thinks it's cool to push down what I think was about a 6 year old little girl, your kid should have the shit kick out of him. Not a half assed, "sorry" or "I didn=B9t meant to" between chuckles. Not to mention, the parent of said child should be subject to a public smiting as well. I am also pissed beyond fucking hell that my wife, since she is managing this thing, is not only NOT getting over time pay...you know, time and a half, but just getting straight time for the 10 to 15 hours of OT she has put in the last several weeks since thanksgiving, but now I find out that from yesterday till X-Mas eve, she will be logging 76.5 hours, and will see NO X-Mas bonus, no OT pay, and will have to go back to her regular job the next day. (her boss owns the shop she regularly works at, and also runs the booth she is at for the holidays). I should have my revenge on him soon tho= . He wants me to design and run his shops web site. Yeah, I think the term prison rape applies here... Cliff, I think we may be heading to AK sooner than we thought... Jester, in TexASS-hole..not in a good mood after the display of shit from every fucking person seen out yesterday, and shitty employers with no appreciation... From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 18:08:38 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:08:38 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT Friday Crappage In-Reply-To: <20031219174739.95483.qmail@web86107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154680520_10171305 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable My god damn fucking hell that=B9s fucking funny shit... That song just found a home on my answering machine... On 12/19/03 11:47 AM, "bluce ree" wrote: > i feel guilty for laughing... >=20 > fat potanga wrote: >> http://www.rathergood.com/hedgehogs/ >>=20 >> Enjoy? >>=20 >> fat Jxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>=20 >> www.fatpotanga.co.uk >> www.iam-jam.com >>=20 >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/m= yemo >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Gathering mailing list >> Gathering@misera.net >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gatheri >=20 > Yahoo! Messenger > > - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger N= ow > download/index.html> KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154680520_10171305 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT Friday Crappage My god damn fucking hel= l that’s fucking funny shit...

That song just found a home on my answering machine...

On 12/19/03 11:47 AM, "bluce ree" <bluceree2003@yahoo.co.uk>= ; wrote:

i feel guilty for laughing...

fat potanga <fatpotanga@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Enjoy?

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 --B_3154680520_10171305-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 18:13:08 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Phillipps Marc) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:13:08 -0000 Subject: [kj] OT Friday Crappage Message-ID: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1FD@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> >My god damn fucking hell that's fucking funny shit... Check out Joel's other stuff . . . he's really rather good (pun intended) :o) http://www.rathergood.com Marc. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jester [SMTP:webmaster@killing-joke.com] > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 6:09 PM > To: Gathering > Subject: Re: [kj] OT Friday Crappage > > My god damn fucking hell that's fucking funny shit... > > That song just found a home on my answering machine... > > On 12/19/03 11:47 AM, "bluce ree" wrote: > > > > i feel guilty for laughing... > > fat potanga wrote: > > > > > Enjoy? > > fat Jxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > www.fatpotanga.co.uk > www.iam-jam.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself with cool new emoticons > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > > > > > _____ > > Yahoo! Messenger > com> > com> - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download > Messenger Now > com/download/index.html> > com/download/index.html> > > > > > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! > OCCISIO LOCATIO > > THE WEBMASTER, > JESTER > WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM > WWW.PARALLAX1.COM > > There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > > "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or > Gates?" > > > This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 18:13:58 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:13:58 -0600 Subject: [kj] (ot) 2004 Calendar In-Reply-To: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1FB@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> Message-ID: On 12/19/03 12:02 PM, "Phillipps Marc" wrote: > http://www.sigsy.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/calendar/ >=20 > Thanks to SickBoy at B3ta . . . . wrong . . very, very wrong . . . >=20 > :=AC) >=20 Hmm.. calendar...wonder if it's some hot women, or maybe..someone did a tak= e on the Jo..k...e... J.. J...huh...wha...th..e....EWWWWWW..YUCK!!!!!! May the gates of hell open and swallow Mr. Phillips for sending this, and fooling me into going to it... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 18:36:57 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bo Krogsgaard) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:36:57 +0100 Subject: [kj] Geordie's next guitar - The Wangcaster Message-ID: <3FE35359.15090.FA239A8@localhost>
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From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 18:47:26 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Pagan) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:47:26 -0000 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 References: <00e001c3c5b5$cf3c64e0$0200a8c0@thelab.local> Message-ID: <01de01c3c660$8ccfe220$2e647ad5@goths> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01DB_01C3C660.8C0DF1B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03The music industry and magazines like = Kerrang telling the "spooky kids" that such bands are Goth. That's why. In the past few days I have been involved in an online "discussion" with = 2 "Goths" who have told me that Metallica, Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit and = Nirvana are/were Goth bands! We also had the misfortune of DJing at an under 18's Metal and Goth = night recently. I was asked to play old Goth specifically and Craig was = asked to play "Real Metal". I really didn't see much point in playing = old Goth as most of the kids there (average age of about 16) wouldn't = know a lot of it but as this was what the organiser wanted, I played a = fairly safe, well known set. The kind of tracks they might have heard = on some of the compilations doing the rounds but it was a waste of time. = One wee lassie who was gothed up to the nines complained during = Motorhead's "Killed By Death" about their being no real metal. We tried everything in the end - Killing Joke, Turbonegro, Sisters of = Mercy, NIN, The Mission, FOTN, Die Krupps, Clan of Xymox, Cubanate etc = but they weren't interested. According to them, it wasn't metal or = Goth. They wanted bands like System of a Down and other bands that we = hadn't even heard of like The Kidney Thieves, Colin's Collar 67 etc = (although it did make me feel better that neither the resident DJ or my = wee brother had even heard of the last two)! Even the resident DJ, who runs his own Goth & Metal night in another = part of Scotland, hadn't heard or heard of Alice by SoM (and no Bo, I = didn't play the disco version)! The kids seem to think that because they wear black, they must be Goths = therefore the music they listen to must be Goth too. Then magazines = come out and push a lot of the bands they listen to as Goth and their = thoughts are confirmed. All I can say is that when these kids turn 18 and start coming out to = the main Goth/Industrial/EBM clubs they're going to be in for one hell = of a shock. Claire ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ade=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:25 PM Subject: RE: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Why do they get the 'goff' tag too? Unimaginitive music-industry = antics, that's why. Shit band, shit singers - SHIT!!! I understand that = teens may not know a thing about GOOD bands (weren't even born then, = etc, etc) & that's not their fault, but sometimes I despair... all we = can do is spread the word on good bands. To be fair, that's just MY opinion. After all, I'm a Throbbing Gristle = fan ;) -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net = [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of Jester Sent: 18 December 2003 22:12 To: Gathering Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 I agree, and I do recognize the fact that you need things that suck = to have things that kick ass. But do they have to suck to the very = depths of THIS endless abyss? I think not. Yet, people buy into it. I = just sit back, shake my head and think, I just don't fucking get what is = good about this. Take eversuckage for instance. Lack of real vision aside, the girl = has a fucking horrible voice. They are billed as her being a pleasure to = listen to, but that tone def road whore is worse off than Edie Brickell. On 12/18/03 4:00 PM, "ade" wrote: Saliva? Why can't these bands be a little honest & just call = themselves something like 'Shit', or 'Fucking Crap'. You get the idea. -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net = [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of Jester Sent: 18 December 2003 21:56 To: Gathering Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 I feel the same way about Saliva as well...but those tossers = keep on too...and yup, my wife plays some of that shit just to further = torment me, no doubt. Damn the youth of America to hell! On 12/18/03 3:48 PM, "ade" wrote: =20 How long can those pointless tossers continue? One (s)hit = wonder no doubt... that's my fucking hope anyway. -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net = [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of bluce ree Sent: 18 December 2003 20:36 To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 =20 yeah, I wasn't convinced by them for a second. I just hope = KJ dont follow suit with the typical 3rd single has to be a ballad = formula! Jester wrote: =20 =20 Ok, now I feel better. From what I have seen and heard = from people round here, I was beginning to think I was the only one = who saw through their fa=E7ade. On 12/18/03 2:03 PM, "bluce ree" = wrote: =20 =20 what i dont get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth = metallers with a whimpy chick singer can get to number 1. =20 Will E Scheipers wrote: =20 =20 =20 Have you ever noticed that all of evanescence's = radio songs all have open cords as the verse for every song? I don't = get it either..... =20 From, Will =20 17) Most overrated music of the year: My wife has been listening to Evanesance or = something like that, a lot. I just don't get it... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!=20 OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER, =20 JESTER =20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM =20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have = for Windows or Gates?" =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger = - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download = Messenger Now = =20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!=20 OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER =20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for = Windows or Gates?" KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!=20 OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows = or Gates?" ------=_NextPart_000_01DB_01C3C660.8C0DF1B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
The music industry and magazines like = Kerrang=20 telling the "spooky kids" that such bands are Goth.  That's=20 why.
 
In the past few days I have been = involved in an=20 online "discussion" with 2 "Goths" who have told me that Metallica, = Linkin=20 Park, Limp Bizkit and Nirvana are/were Goth bands!
 
We also had the misfortune of DJing at = an under=20 18's Metal and Goth night recently.  I was asked to play old Goth=20 specifically and Craig was asked to play "Real Metal".  I really = didn't see=20 much point in playing old Goth as most of the kids there (average age of = about=20 16) wouldn't know a lot of it but as this was what the = organiser=20 wanted, I played a fairly safe, well known set.  The kind of = tracks=20 they might have heard on some of the compilations doing the rounds but = it was a=20 waste of time.  One wee lassie who was gothed up to the nines = complained=20 during Motorhead's "Killed By Death" about their being no real=20 metal.
 
We tried everything in the end - = Killing Joke,=20 Turbonegro, Sisters of Mercy, NIN, The Mission, FOTN, Die Krupps, Clan = of Xymox,=20 Cubanate etc but they weren't interested.  According to them, = it=20 wasn't metal or Goth.  They wanted bands like System of a Down and = other=20 bands that we hadn't even heard of like The Kidney Thieves, Colin's = Collar 67=20 etc (although it did make me feel better that neither the resident DJ or = my wee=20 brother had even heard of the last two)!
 
Even the resident DJ, who runs his own = Goth &=20 Metal night in another part of Scotland, hadn't heard or heard of Alice = by SoM=20 (and no Bo, I didn't play the disco version)!
 
The kids seem to think that because = they wear=20 black, they must be Goths therefore the music they listen to must be = Goth=20 too.  Then magazines come out and push a lot of the bands they = listen to as=20 Goth and their thoughts are confirmed.
 
All I can say is that when these kids = turn 18 and=20 start coming out to the main Goth/Industrial/EBM clubs they're going to = be in=20 for one hell of a shock.
 
Claire
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ade
Sent: Thursday, December 18, = 2003 10:25=20 PM
Subject: RE: [kj] YEAR END POLL = FOR=20 `03

Why=20 do they get the 'goff' tag too? Unimaginitive music-industry antics, = that's=20 why. Shit band, shit singers - SHIT!!! I understand that teens may not = know a=20 thing about GOOD bands (weren't even born then, etc, etc) & that's = not=20 their fault, but sometimes I despair... all we can do is spread the = word on=20 good bands.
 
To=20 be fair, that's just MY opinion. After all, I'm a Throbbing = Gristle fan=20 ;)
-----Original Message-----
From: = gathering-admin@misera.net=20 [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of=20 Jester
Sent: 18 December 2003 22:12
To:=20 Gathering
Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR=20 `03

I=20 agree, and I do recognize the fact that you need things that suck to = have=20 things that kick ass. But do they have to suck to the very depths of = THIS=20 endless abyss? I think not. Yet, people buy into it. I just sit = back, shake=20 my head and think, I just don't fucking get what is good about=20 this.

Take eversuckage for instance. Lack of real vision = aside, the=20 girl has a fucking horrible voice. They are billed as her being a = pleasure=20 to listen to, but that tone def road whore is worse off than Edie=20 Brickell.



On 12/18/03 4:00 PM, "ade"=20 <ade@the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
Saliva? Why can't these bands be a little honest = & just=20 call themselves something like 'Shit', or 'Fucking Crap'. You get = the=20 idea.

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 gathering-admin@misera.net  [mailto:gathering-admin@misera= .net]On=20 Behalf Of Jester
Sent:  18 December 2003=20 21:56
To: Gathering
Subject: Re: [kj] =  YEAR END=20 POLL FOR `03

I feel the same way about Saliva as = well...but those=20  tossers keep on too...and yup, my wife plays some of that = shit=20 just to further  torment me, no doubt. Damn the youth of = America to=20 hell!

On 12/18/03  3:48 PM, "ade"=20 <ade@the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> = wrote:

 
How long can those pointless tossers continue? = One (s)hit=20 wonder  no doubt... that's my fucking hope=20 anyway.

-----Original = Message-----
From:=20  gathering-admin@misera.net  [mailto:gathering-admin@misera= .net]On=20  Behalf Of bluce  ree
Sent: 18 = December 2003=20  20:36
To:=20  gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] =  YEAR=20 END POLL FOR  `03

 
yeah, I wasn't = convinced by=20  them for a second.  I just hope KJ dont =  follow suit=20 with the  typical 3rd single has to be a ballad=20  formula!

Jester=20  <webmaster@killing-joke.com> wrote:=20  
 
Ok,=20 now I  feel better. From what  I have seen and = heard=20 from people round  here, I was beginning to think I = was=20  the only one who saw through  their = fa=E7ade.

On=20 12/18/03 2:03 PM,  "bluce ree"=20  <bluceree2003@yahoo.co.uk>=20 wrote:

 
 
what i  dont  get is how a = bunch of=20 god-botherer goth metallers with a  whimpy chick=20  singer can get to number 1. =   

Will=20 E Scheipers =   <wscheip1@juno.com> wrote:=20  
 
 
Have  you  ever noticed that = all of=20 evanescence's radio songs all  have open cords =  as=20 the verse for every song? I don't get it=20 =   either.....
 
From,
Will
 


1= 7)=20  Most  overrated music of the = year:

My wife=20 has been  listening to  Evanesance or = something like=20 that, a lot. I just  don't get=20 =   it...



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------=_NextPart_000_01DB_01C3C660.8C0DF1B0-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 18:58:19 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:58:19 -0500 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Message-ID: <200312191858.hBJIwBtu013651@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154687099_49167_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Claire just summed up the point I was ineloquently attempting to make with more panache, style and credibility than I could ever muster. Well done, lass! Alex in NYC ---------- From: "Pagan" To: Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Date: Fri, Dec 19, 2003, 1:47 PM The music industry and magazines like Kerrang telling the "spooky kids" tha= t such bands are Goth. That's why. In the past few days I have been involved in an online "discussion" with 2 "Goths" who have told me that Metallica, Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit and Nirvana are/were Goth bands! We also had the misfortune of DJing at an under 18's Metal and Goth night recently. I was asked to play old Goth specifically and Craig was asked to play "Real Metal". I really didn't see much point in playing old Goth as most of the kids there (average age of about 16) wouldn't know a lot of it but as this was what the organiser wanted, I played a fairly safe, well known set. The kind of tracks they might have heard on some of the compilations doing the rounds but it was a waste of time. One wee lassie who was gothed up to the nines complained during Motorhead's "Killed By Death" about their being no real metal. We tried everything in the end - Killing Joke, Turbonegro, Sisters of Mercy= , NIN, The Mission, FOTN, Die Krupps, Clan of Xymox, Cubanate etc but they weren't interested. According to them, it wasn't metal or Goth. They wanted bands like System of a Down and other bands that we hadn't even hear= d of like The Kidney Thieves, Colin's Collar 67 etc (although it did make me feel better that neither the resident DJ or my wee brother had even heard o= f the last two)! Even the resident DJ, who runs his own Goth & Metal night in another part o= f Scotland, hadn't heard or heard of Alice by SoM (and no Bo, I didn't play the disco version)! The kids seem to think that because they wear black, they must be Goths therefore the music they listen to must be Goth too. Then magazines come out and push a lot of the bands they listen to as Goth and their thoughts are confirmed. All I can say is that when these kids turn 18 and start coming out to the main Goth/Industrial/EBM clubs they're going to be in for one hell of a shock. Claire ----- Original Message ----- From: ade To: gathering@misera.net Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:25 PM Subject: RE: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Why do they get the 'goff' tag too? Unimaginitive music-industry antics, that's why. Shit band, shit singers - SHIT!!! I understand that teens may not know a thing about GOOD bands (weren't even born then, etc, etc) & that's not their fault, but sometimes I despair... all we can do is spread the word on good bands. To be fair, that's just MY opinion. After all, I'm a Throbbing Gristle fan ;) -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of Jester Sent: 18 December 2003 22:12 To: Gathering Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 I agree, and I do recognize the fact that you need things that suck to have things that kick ass. But do they have to suck to the very depths of THIS endless abyss? I think not. Yet, people buy into it. I just sit back, shake my head and think, I just don't fucking get what is good about this. Take eversuckage for instance. Lack of real vision aside, the girl has a fucking horrible voice. They are billed as her being a pleasure to listen to, but that tone def road whore is worse off than Edie Brickell. On 12/18/03 4:00 PM, "ade" wrote: Saliva? Why can't these bands be a little honest & just call themselves something like 'Shit', or 'Fucking Crap'. You get the idea. -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of Jester Sent: 18 December 2003 21:56 To: Gathering Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 I feel the same way about Saliva as well...but those tossers keep on too...and yup, my wife plays some of that shit just to further torment me, no doubt. Damn the youth of America to hell! On 12/18/03 3:48 PM, "ade" wrote: How long can those pointless tossers continue? One (s)hit wonder no doubt... that's my fucking hope anyway. -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of bluce ree Sent: 18 December 2003 20:36 To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 yeah, I wasn't convinced by them for a second. I just hope KJ dont follo= w suit with the typical 3rd single has to be a ballad formula! Jester wrote: Ok, now I feel better. From what I have seen and heard from people round here, I was beginning to think I was the only one who saw through their fa=E7ade. On 12/18/03 2:03 PM, "bluce ree" wrote: what i dont get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth metallers with a whimpy chick singer can get to number 1. Will E Scheipers wrote: Have you ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs all have ope= n cords as the verse for every song? I don't get it either..... From, Will 17) Most overrated music of the year: My wife has been listening to Evanesance or something like that, a lot. I just don't get it... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --MS_Mac_OE_3154687099_49167_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
Claire just summed up the point I was ineloquently attempting to make with = more panache, style and credibility than I could ever muster. Well done, las= s!

Alex in NYC



----------
From: "Pagan" <scotgothwitch@btinternet.com>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
Date: Fri, Dec 19, 2003, 1:47 PM


The music industry and magazines like Kerrang te= lling the "spooky kids" that such bands are Goth.  That's why= .
 
In the past few days I have been involved in an online "= ;discussion" with 2 "Goths" who have told me that Metallica, = Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit and Nirvana are/were Goth bands!
 
We also had the misfortune of DJing at an under 18's Metal a= nd Goth night recently.  I was asked to play old Goth specifically and = Craig was asked to play "Real Metal".  I really didn't see mu= ch point in playing old Goth as most of the kids there (average age of about= 16) wouldn't know a lot of it but as this was what the organiser wanted, I = played a fairly safe, well known set.  The kind of tracks they might ha= ve heard on some of the compilations doing the rounds but it was a waste of = time.  One wee lassie who was gothed up to the nines complained during = Motorhead's "Killed By Death" about their being no real metal.
 
We tried everything in the end - Killing Joke, Turbonegro, S= isters of Mercy, NIN, The Mission, FOTN, Die Krupps, Clan of Xymox, Cubanate= etc but they weren't interested.  According to them, it wasn't metal o= r Goth.  They wanted bands like System of a Down and other bands that w= e hadn't even heard of like The Kidney Thieves, Colin's Collar 67 etc (altho= ugh it did make me feel better that neither the resident DJ or my wee brothe= r had even heard of the last two)!
 
Even the resident DJ, who runs his own Goth & Metal nigh= t in another part of Scotland, hadn't heard or heard of Alice by SoM (and no= Bo, I didn't play the disco version)!
 
The kids seem to think that because they wear black, they mu= st be Goths therefore the music they listen to must be Goth too.  Then = magazines come out and push a lot of the bands they listen to as Goth and th= eir thoughts are confirmed.
 
All I can say is that when these kids turn 18 and start comi= ng out to the main Goth/Industrial/EBM clubs they're going to be in for one = hell of a shock.
 
Claire
 
----- Original Message -----
From: ade <mailto:ade@the-lab.zetnet.co.= uk>  
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>  
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:25 PM
Subject: RE: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03

Why do they get the 'goff' tag too? Un= imaginitive music-industry antics, that's why. Shit band, shit singers - SHI= T!!! I understand that teens may not know a thing about GOOD bands (weren't = even born then, etc, etc) & that's not their fault, but sometimes I desp= air... all we can do is spread the word on good bands.
 
To be fair, that's just MY opinion. Af= ter all, I'm a Throbbing Gristle fan ;)
-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-admin@misera.net= [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]O= n Behalf Of Jester
Sent: 18 December 2003 22:12
To: Gathering
Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03

I agree, and I do recognize the fact that you need things that suck = to have things that kick ass. But do they have to suck to the very depths of= THIS endless abyss? I think not. Yet, people buy into it. I just sit back, = shake my head and think, I just don't fucking get what is good about this.
Take eversuckage for instance. Lack of real vision aside, the girl has a fu= cking horrible voice. They are billed as her being a pleasure to listen to, = but that tone def road whore is worse off than Edie Brickell.



On 12/18/03 4:00 PM, "ade" <ade@the-l= ab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

Saliva? Why can't these bands be a littl= e honest & just call themselves something like 'Shit', or 'Fucking Crap'= . You get the idea.

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-admin@misera.net=  [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] <mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net= ]> On Behalf Of Jester
Sent:  18 December 2003 21:56
To: Gathering
Subject: Re: [kj]  YEAR END POLL FOR `03

I feel the same way about Saliva as well...but those  tossers keep on = too...and yup, my wife plays some of that shit just to further  torment= me, no doubt. Damn the youth of America to hell!

On 12/18/03  3:48 PM, "ade" <ade= @the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

 
How long can those pointless tossers continue? One (s= )hit wonder  no doubt... that's my fucking hope anyway.


-----Original Message-----
From:  gathering-admin@misera.net<= /FONT>  [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net= ] <mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net<= /FONT>]> On  Behalf Of bluce  ree
Sent: 18 December 2003  20:36
To:  gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj]  YEAR END POLL FOR  `03

 
yeah, I wasn't convinced by  them for a second.  I just hope KJ d= ont  follow suit with the  typical 3rd single has to be a ballad &= nbsp;formula!

Jester  <webmaster@killing-j= oke.com> wrote:  
 
Ok, now I  feel better. From what  I have seen and heard from peo= ple round  here, I was beginning to think I was  the only one who = saw through  their fa=E7ade.

On 12/18/03 2:03 PM,  "bluce ree"  <bluceree2003@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

 
 
what i  dont  get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth metallers w= ith a  whimpy chick  singer can get to number 1.   

Will E Scheipers   <wsc= heip1@juno.com> wrote:  
 
 
Have  you  ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs all=  have open cords  as the verse for every song? I don't get it &nb= sp; either.....
 
From,
Will
 


17)  Most  overrated music of the year:

My wife has been  listening to  Evanesance or something like that= , a lot. I just  don't get   it...



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--MS_Mac_OE_3154687099_49167_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 18:55:50 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:55:50 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? Message-ID: <200312191855.hBJItgOf019552@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3154686950_40212_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I'm not extolling the merits of Goth/Goff/Gothic/whathaveyou, but I *CANNOT= * stand the lazy misappropriation of terminology that has undertaken usage of the "G" word. Just because a band *HAPPENS* to boast a sartorial penchant for black, that does not *AUTOMATICALLY* render them a "Goth" band. The Police wore black in the video for "Roxanne".......are they goths? Thought not. Alex in NYC ---------- From: "KETRACEL WHITE" To: Cc: "r e t r o d e m o n 2 6 3" Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? Date: Fri, Dec 19, 2003, 12:55 PM "There's more to "Goth/Gothic/Goff" than wearing black, by the way." Like what? Reading Camus & smoking Cloves??? ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Smith To: gathering@misera.net ; Gathering Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? ...if we are, my only observations are: 1. They're Christians, which renders their music instantly moot, as far as I'm concerned. 2. Despite her much touted operatic background, I don't hear a lot of range in her shrill mewling. 3. If their name is Evanescence, why won't they hurry up and vanish already= ? There's more to "Goth/Gothic/Goff" than wearing black, by the way. Alex in NYC ---------- From: Jester To: Gathering Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Date: Thu, Dec 18, 2003, 7:50 PM Be one thing if she was drop dead hot, but she isn't even that great to loo= k at...I seriously do not understand it. Horrible vox Cheesy lyrics Boring musicianship Nothing to really look at I just cant figure it out...I mean, as talent less as Britney is, at least shes hot... On 12/18/03 6:06 PM, "Will E Scheipers" wrote: I think it is the chick singer appeal, the old "They Rock and their singer is a GURL!" Kinda like the riot grrl explosion of the 90's. From, Will On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:03:38 +0000 (GMT) =3D?iso-8859-1?q?bluce=3D20ree?=3D writes: what i dont get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth metallers with a whimp= y chick singer can get to number 1. Will E Scheipers wrote: Have you ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs all have open cords as the verse for every song? I don't get it either..... From, Will 17) Most overrated music of the year: My wife has been listening to Evanesance or something like that, a lot. I just don=92t get it... Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --MS_Mac_OE_3154686950_40212_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here?
I'm not extolling the merits of Goth/Goff/Gothic/whathaveyou, but I *CANNOT= * stand the lazy misappropriation of terminology that has undertaken usage o= f the "G" word. Just because a band *HAPPENS* to boast a sartorial= penchant for black, that does not *AUTOMATICALLY* render them a "Goth&= quot; band.  The Police wore black in the video for "Roxanne"= .......are they goths? Thought not.

Alex in NYC




----------
From: "KETRACEL WHITE" <ketracelwhite@hotmail.com>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Cc: "r e t r o d e m o n 2 6 3" <retrodemon263@hotmail.com>=
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here?
Date: Fri, Dec 19, 2003, 12:55 PM


"There's more to "Goth/Gothic/Goff" than wearing= black, by the way."
 
Like what?  Reading Camus & smoking Cloves???
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Smith <mailto:vassifer@earthl= ink.net>  
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>  ; Gat= hering <mailto:gathering@misera.net&g= t;  
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here?


...if we are, my only observations are:
1. They're Christians, which renders their music instantly moot, as far as = I'm concerned.
2. Despite her much touted operatic background, I don't hear a lot of range= in her shrill mewling.
3. If their name is Evanescence, why won't they hurry up and vanish already= ?

There's more to "Goth/Gothic/Goff" than wearing black, by the way= .

Alex in NYC




----------
From: Jester <webmaster@killing-joke.com>
To: Gathering <gathering@misera.net&= gt;
Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
Date: Thu, Dec 18, 2003, 7:50 PM


Be one thing if she was drop dead hot, but she isn't even that = great to look at...I seriously do not understand it.

Horrible vox
Cheesy lyrics
Boring musicianship
Nothing to really look at

I just cant figure it out...I mean, as talent less as Britney is, at least = shes hot...

On 12/18/03 6:06 PM, "Will E Scheipers" <wscheip1@juno.com> wrote:

I think it is the chick singer appeal, the old "They Rock = and their singer is a GURL!" Kinda like the riot grrl explosion of the = 90's.
 
From,
Will
 
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:03:38 +0000 (GMT) =3D?iso-8859-1?q?bluce=3D20ree?=3D <<= FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF">bluceree2003@yahoo.co.uk> writes:
 
what i dont get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth metallers with a  = whimpy chick singer can get to number 1.  

Will E Scheipers  <wscheip1@= juno.com> wrote:  
  
Have you ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs all have  = open cords as the verse for every song? I don't get it either.....
 
 
 
From,
Will
 
 
 


17) Most  overrated music of the year:

My wife has been listening to Evanesance  or something like that, a lo= t. I just don=92t get  it...




 

 


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--MS_Mac_OE_3154686950_40212_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 19:12:24 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Pagan) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:12:24 -0000 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 References: <200312191858.hBJIwBtu013651@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <020801c3c664$0975a500$2e647ad5@goths> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0205_01C3C664.08B51420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03*hikes up many layers of black velvet and = fishnet and curtseys as far as the corset will let her* Cheers, Alex! Claire ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alex Smith=20 To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Claire just summed up the point I was ineloquently attempting to make = with more panache, style and credibility than I could ever muster. Well = done, lass! Alex in NYC ---------- From: "Pagan" To: Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Date: Fri, Dec 19, 2003, 1:47 PM The music industry and magazines like Kerrang telling the "spooky = kids" that such bands are Goth. That's why. =20 In the past few days I have been involved in an online "discussion" = with 2 "Goths" who have told me that Metallica, Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit = and Nirvana are/were Goth bands! =20 We also had the misfortune of DJing at an under 18's Metal and Goth = night recently. I was asked to play old Goth specifically and Craig was = asked to play "Real Metal". I really didn't see much point in playing = old Goth as most of the kids there (average age of about 16) wouldn't = know a lot of it but as this was what the organiser wanted, I played a = fairly safe, well known set. The kind of tracks they might have heard = on some of the compilations doing the rounds but it was a waste of time. = One wee lassie who was gothed up to the nines complained during = Motorhead's "Killed By Death" about their being no real metal. =20 We tried everything in the end - Killing Joke, Turbonegro, Sisters = of Mercy, NIN, The Mission, FOTN, Die Krupps, Clan of Xymox, Cubanate = etc but they weren't interested. According to them, it wasn't metal or = Goth. They wanted bands like System of a Down and other bands that we = hadn't even heard of like The Kidney Thieves, Colin's Collar 67 etc = (although it did make me feel better that neither the resident DJ or my = wee brother had even heard of the last two)! =20 Even the resident DJ, who runs his own Goth & Metal night in another = part of Scotland, hadn't heard or heard of Alice by SoM (and no Bo, I = didn't play the disco version)! =20 The kids seem to think that because they wear black, they must be = Goths therefore the music they listen to must be Goth too. Then = magazines come out and push a lot of the bands they listen to as Goth = and their thoughts are confirmed. =20 All I can say is that when these kids turn 18 and start coming out = to the main Goth/Industrial/EBM clubs they're going to be in for one = hell of a shock. =20 Claire =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ade =20 To: gathering@misera.net =20 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:25 PM Subject: RE: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Why do they get the 'goff' tag too? Unimaginitive music-industry = antics, that's why. Shit band, shit singers - SHIT!!! I understand that = teens may not know a thing about GOOD bands (weren't even born then, = etc, etc) & that's not their fault, but sometimes I despair... all we = can do is spread the word on good bands. =20 To be fair, that's just MY opinion. After all, I'm a Throbbing = Gristle fan ;) -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net = [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of Jester Sent: 18 December 2003 22:12 To: Gathering Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 I agree, and I do recognize the fact that you need things that = suck to have things that kick ass. But do they have to suck to the very = depths of THIS endless abyss? I think not. Yet, people buy into it. I = just sit back, shake my head and think, I just don't fucking get what is = good about this. Take eversuckage for instance. Lack of real vision aside, the = girl has a fucking horrible voice. They are billed as her being a = pleasure to listen to, but that tone def road whore is worse off than = Edie Brickell. On 12/18/03 4:00 PM, "ade" wrote: Saliva? Why can't these bands be a little honest & just call = themselves something like 'Shit', or 'Fucking Crap'. You get the idea. -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net = [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] = On Behalf Of Jester Sent: 18 December 2003 21:56 To: Gathering Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 I feel the same way about Saliva as well...but those tossers keep = on too...and yup, my wife plays some of that shit just to further = torment me, no doubt. Damn the youth of America to hell! On 12/18/03 3:48 PM, "ade" wrote: =20 How long can those pointless tossers continue? One (s)hit wonder = no doubt... that's my fucking hope anyway. -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net = [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] = On Behalf Of bluce ree Sent: 18 December 2003 20:36 To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 =20 yeah, I wasn't convinced by them for a second. I just hope KJ = dont follow suit with the typical 3rd single has to be a ballad = formula! Jester wrote: =20 =20 Ok, now I feel better. From what I have seen and heard from = people round here, I was beginning to think I was the only one who saw = through their fa=E7ade. On 12/18/03 2:03 PM, "bluce ree" = wrote: =20 =20 what i dont get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth metallers = with a whimpy chick singer can get to number 1. =20 Will E Scheipers wrote: =20 =20 =20 Have you ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs all = have open cords as the verse for every song? I don't get it = either..... =20 From, Will =20 17) Most overrated music of the year: My wife has been listening to Evanesance or something like that, = a lot. I just don't get it... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!=20 OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER, =20 JESTER =20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM =20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for = Windows or Gates?" =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Yahoo! Messenger = = - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download = Messenger Now = = =20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!=20 OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER =20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for = Windows or Gates?" KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!=20 OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows = or Gates?" ------=_NextPart_000_0205_01C3C664.08B51420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
*hikes up many layers of black velvet = and fishnet=20 and curtseys as far as the corset will let her*
 
Cheers, Alex!
 
Claire
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alex=20 Smith
To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 = 6:58=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL = FOR=20 `03


Claire just summed up the point I was ineloquently=20 attempting to make with more panache, style and credibility than I = could ever=20 muster. Well done, lass!

Alex in = NYC



----------
From:=20 "Pagan" <scotgothwitch@btinternet.com= >
To:=20 <gathering@misera.net>
Subj= ect:=20 Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
Date: Fri, Dec 19, 2003, 1:47 = PM


The music industry and magazines like = Kerrang=20 telling the "spooky kids" that such bands are Goth.  That's=20 why.
 
In the past few days I have = been=20 involved in an online "discussion" with 2 "Goths" who have told me = that=20 Metallica, Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit and Nirvana are/were Goth=20 bands!
 
We also had the misfortune = of DJing=20 at an under 18's Metal and Goth night recently.  I was asked to = play=20 old Goth specifically and Craig was asked to play "Real Metal". =  I=20 really didn't see much point in playing old Goth as most of the kids = there=20 (average age of about 16) wouldn't know a lot of it but as this was = what the=20 organiser wanted, I played a fairly safe, well known set.  The = kind of=20 tracks they might have heard on some of the compilations doing the = rounds=20 but it was a waste of time.  One wee lassie who was gothed up = to the=20 nines complained during Motorhead's "Killed By Death" about their = being no=20 real metal.
 
We tried everything = in the end=20 - Killing Joke, Turbonegro, Sisters of Mercy, NIN, The Mission, = FOTN, Die=20 Krupps, Clan of Xymox, Cubanate etc but they weren't interested.=20  According to them, it wasn't metal or Goth.  They wanted = bands=20 like System of a Down and other bands that we hadn't even heard of = like The=20 Kidney Thieves, Colin's Collar 67 etc (although it did make me feel = better=20 that neither the resident DJ or my wee brother had even heard of the = last=20 two)!
 
Even the resident DJ, who = runs his=20 own Goth & Metal night in another part of Scotland, hadn't heard = or=20 heard of Alice by SoM (and no Bo, I didn't play the disco=20 version)!
 
The kids seem to think = that=20 because they wear black, they must be Goths therefore the music they = listen=20 to must be Goth too.  Then magazines come out and push a lot of = the=20 bands they listen to as Goth and their thoughts are=20 confirmed.
 
All I can say is that = when these=20 kids turn 18 and start coming out to the main Goth/Industrial/EBM = clubs=20 they're going to be in for one hell of a = shock.
 
Claire
 
----- Original Message -----
From: ade = <mailto:ade@the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>=20  
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>=20  
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:25=20 PM
Subject: RE: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03

Why do they get the 'goff' tag too? = Unimaginitive music-industry antics, that's why. Shit band, shit = singers -=20 SHIT!!! I understand that teens may not know a thing about GOOD = bands=20 (weren't even born then, etc, etc) & that's not their fault, = but=20 sometimes I despair... all we can do is spread the word on good=20 bands.
 
To be=20 fair, that's just MY opinion. After all, I'm a Throbbing Gristle = fan=20 ;)
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 gathering-admin@misera.net = [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On=20 Behalf Of Jester
Sent: 18 December 2003=20 22:12
To: Gathering
Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR = END POLL=20 FOR `03

I agree, and I do recognize the fact that = you need=20 things that suck to have things that kick ass. But do they have = to suck=20 to the very depths of THIS endless abyss? I think not. Yet, = people buy=20 into it. I just sit back, shake my head and think, I just don't = fucking=20 get what is good about this.

Take eversuckage for = instance. Lack=20 of real vision aside, the girl has a fucking horrible voice. = They are=20 billed as her being a pleasure to listen to, but that tone def = road=20 whore is worse off than Edie Brickell.



On = 12/18/03 4:00=20 PM, "ade" <ade@the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>=20 wrote:

Saliva? Why can't = these=20 bands be a little honest & just call themselves something like = 'Shit',=20 or 'Fucking Crap'. You get the idea.

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: gathering-admin@misera.net =  [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] = <mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]> = On=20 Behalf Of Jester
Sent:  18 December 2003=20 21:56
To: Gathering
Subject: Re: [kj] =  YEAR END=20 POLL FOR `03

I feel the same way about Saliva as well...but = those=20  tossers keep on too...and yup, my wife plays some of that = shit just=20 to further  torment me, no doubt. Damn the youth of America = to=20 hell!

On 12/18/03  3:48 PM, "ade" <ade@the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>=20 wrote:

 
How long can those = pointless=20 tossers continue? One (s)hit wonder  no doubt... that's my = fucking=20 hope anyway.


-----Original Message-----
From: =  gathering-admin@misera.net =  [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] = <mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]> = On=20  Behalf Of bluce  ree
Sent: 18 December = 2003=20  20:36
To:  gathering@misera.net
Subject: = Re:=20 [kj]  YEAR END POLL FOR  `03

 
yeah, I = wasn't=20 convinced by  them for a second.  I just hope KJ dont=20  follow suit with the  typical 3rd single has to be a = ballad=20  formula!

Jester  <webmaster@killing-joke.com>=20 wrote:  
 
Ok, now I  feel better. From what =  I=20 have seen and heard from people round  here, I was beginning = to think=20 I was  the only one who saw through  their = fa=E7ade.

On=20 12/18/03 2:03 PM,  "bluce ree"  <bluceree2003@yahoo.co.uk>=20 wrote:

 
 
what i  dont  get is = how a=20 bunch of god-botherer goth metallers with a  whimpy chick=20  singer can get to number 1.   

Will E = Scheipers   <wscheip1@juno.com> = wrote:=20  
 
 
Have  you  ever noticed = that all=20 of evanescence's radio songs all  have open cords  as = the verse=20 for every song? I don't get it=20 =   either.....
 
From,
Will
 


1= 7)=20  Most  overrated music of the year:

My wife has = been=20  listening to  Evanesance or something like that, a lot. = I just=20  don't get =   it...



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------=_NextPart_000_0205_01C3C664.08B51420-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 19:36:57 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:36:57 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] OT: Goth In-Reply-To: <200312191858.hBJIwBtu013651@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> from "Alex Smith" at Dec 19, 2003 01:58:19 PM Message-ID: <200312191936.hBJJavhv009167@basil.jkm.net> What about Ministry? My special friend (remember, he's demoted ;-)) is appalled that his 15-year-old niece considers Green Day Goth. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 19:40:03 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:40:03 -0600 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: <01de01c3c660$8ccfe220$2e647ad5@goths> Message-ID: Cheers Claire, Where have you been???? We missed ya! On 12/19/03 12:47 PM, "Pagan" wrote: > The music industry and magazines like Kerrang telling the "spooky kids" t= hat > such bands are Goth. That's why. Funny that kids read what the media tells them is goth, yet have not the first idea of what the concept of the whole genre really is. Like the bough= t cliff's notes to artistic styling, and decided that it was "kewl" to wear makeup, dress like an Anne Rice movie, and call themselves bi. Yeah, THAT=B9S what goth is! >=20 > In the past few days I have been involved in an online "discussion" with = 2 > "Goths" who have told me that Metallica, Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit and Nir= vana > are/were Goth bands! Ok, that actually has me at a loss for words...Metallica and goth have no place in the same sentence, unless it is to say that Metallica is the genuine antithesis of goth. >=20 > We also had the misfortune of DJing at an under 18's Metal and Goth night > recently. I was asked to play old Goth specifically and Craig was asked = to > play "Real Metal". I really didn't see much point in playing old Goth as= most > of the kids there (average age of about 16) wouldn't know a lot of it but= as > this was what the organiser wanted, I played a fairly safe, well known se= t. > The kind of tracks they might have heard on some of the compilations doin= g the > rounds but it was a waste of time. One wee lassie who was gothed up to t= he > nines complained during Motorhead's "Killed By Death" about their being n= o > real metal. Motorhead not metal? WTF? God damn I hate this pussed out extacy rave shitt= y music listening group of posers we have around. Thing is, we are talking about the same type of kids that listened to Whitesnake and Bon Jovi while = I spun SoM, SAHB (tho I know that is not really goth...still was spooky to a 17 year old who only heard "Bad Medicine" then to get exposed to Faith Healer LIVE) and Bauhaus, and had my friends scared as shit. Yeah, myself and a couple of friends were labeled "SATANISTS" by our peers. Goody! >=20 > We tried everything in the end - Killing Joke, Turbonegro, Sisters of Mer= cy, > NIN, The Mission, FOTN, Die Krupps, Clan of Xymox, Cubanate etc but they > weren't interested. According to them, it wasn't metal or Goth. They wa= nted > bands like System of a Down and other bands that we hadn't even heard of = like > The Kidney Thieves, Colin's Collar 67 etc (although it did make me feel b= etter > that neither the resident DJ or my wee brother had even heard of the last > two)! Oh, so they were playing the "lets name an obscure band we don=B9t really know, to increase our cred" game? Tell them to sell that shit to the tourists. >=20 > Even the resident DJ, who runs his own Goth & Metal night in another part= of > Scotland, hadn't heard or heard of Alice by SoM (and no Bo, I didn't play= the > disco version)! Ya know, that=B9s not surprising.... >=20 > The kids seem to think that because they wear black, they must be Goths > therefore the music they listen to must be Goth too. Then magazines come= out > and push a lot of the bands they listen to as Goth and their thoughts are > confirmed. Ya know, I can put on a dress, with flowers and pastells, grow my hair out, and shave. Call meself a girl to my hearts content. But in the end, I still have a dick, and I am still a man. Point here is, you can dress how ya want= . Doesn=B9t make you any different inside. You know, even a slut can wear white on her wedding day. >=20 > All I can say is that when these kids turn 18 and start coming out to the= main > Goth/Industrial/EBM clubs they're going to be in for one hell of a shock. Reminds me of when I took a good friend to their first Killing Joke show in 91. Boy grew up in Mesquite, and all he ever saw and heard was what I playe= d for him, and what was on MTv. He thought that look was just for show, and people really didn=B9t talk about the shit I talked about. He found in a hurry, he was sadly mistaken. KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 19:52:23 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:52:23 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? In-Reply-To: <200312191855.hBJItgOf019552@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> from "Alex Smith" at Dec 19, 2003 01:55:50 PM Message-ID: <200312191952.hBJJqNpl009307@basil.jkm.net> > * > stand the lazy misappropriation of terminology that has undertaken usage of > the "G" word. Just because a band *HAPPENS* to boast a sartorial penchant > for black, that does not *AUTOMATICALLY* render them a "Goth" band. The > Police wore black in the video for "Roxanne".......are they goths? Thought > not. We all wore black in the 80s; are The Cure Goth? Hmmmmmmmm..... sorta yeah, sorta no. In fact, black was so common that club kids in the late 80s were called PIBs -- persons in black, and got all kinds of bad rap laid on them -- devil worshippers and animal killers and even a link to a mass murder here. There were three colours acceptable to wear to go clubbing: black; white; and denim. NOTHING ELSE. Now as to people who actually whitened their face and wore black lipstick and pierced everything and wore metal objects all over their bodies -- okay, THOSE we called Goth. But they didn't listen to anything I was remotely interested in, and this phase preceded Nirvana et al by a good many years. Try to think of it as any retro phase: 70s nights, Trash Disco, 80s nights: I mean, it's impossible to actually recreate a particular period. I turned in 1980 so kinda missed out on the real 70s club scene, but I have a feeling that at today's retro 70s nights, there ain't lines of cocaine freely available, one-night stands with guys with hairy chests and gold chains wearing Hugh Hefner dressing gowns.... you know. It's all faux; it's dress up. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 20:08:30 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:08:30 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] OT::Wish me luck In-Reply-To: from "Jester" at Dec 19, 2003 12:06:30 PM Message-ID: <200312192008.hBJK8UqQ009603@basil.jkm.net> > put in the last several weeks since thanksgiving, but now I find out that > from yesterday till X-Mas eve, she will be logging 76.5 hours, and will see > NO X-Mas bonus, no OT pay, and will have to go back to her regular job the > next day. (her boss owns the shop she regularly works at, and also runs the > booth she is at for the holidays). I should have my revenge on him soon tho. > He wants me to design and run his shops web site. Yeah, I think the term > prison rape applies here... No, just extortion. Figure up what he owes your wife, add in some pain and suffering damages and tack it on to the website bill. After you get paid, tell the bastard that you gave the money to your wife, who after all puts her heart and soul and premature ageing and ulcers into his business. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 20:09:28 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:09:28 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? In-Reply-To: from "KETRACEL WHITE" at Dec 19, 2003 09:55:30 AM Message-ID: <200312192009.hBJK9SVS009644@basil.jkm.net> > Like what? Reading Camus & smoking Cloves??? Geesh, college students since time immemorial have been doing this at the cafes and coffeehouses around the University of Texas. Far before Goff. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 20:13:19 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:13:19 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] OT Friday Crappage In-Reply-To: <20031219174739.95483.qmail@web86107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> from "=?iso-8859-1?q?bluce=20ree?=" at Dec 19, 2003 05:47:39 PM Message-ID: <200312192013.hBJKDJt6009705@basil.jkm.net> > i feel guilty for laughing... Laughing in self-recognition? :-) ;-) I mean, the male of every species is like this. Except some humans who prefer other males' parts. Behind every cute little intact male animal is the same boiling over of lust that the not-so-cute ones have. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 20:21:41 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bo Krogsgaard) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:21:41 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? In-Reply-To: <200312191855.hBJItgOf019552@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <3FE36BE5.32144.10021C98@localhost> On 19 Dec 2003 at 13:55, Alex Smith wrote: > The > Police wore black in the video for "Roxanne".......are they goths? Thought not. So do Motorhead and a few thousand other metal bands who would force feed you with your own balls if you called them Goth. However, a few are, *cough* Cradle Of Shite *cough* Opeth *cough* .. b From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 20:29:47 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:29:47 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] OT Friday Crappage In-Reply-To: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF1FD@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> from "Phillipps Marc" at Dec 19, 2003 06:13:08 PM Message-ID: <200312192029.hBJKTl5K010101@basil.jkm.net> The Echo and the Bunnymen perverts wish to repay the Hedgehog link with: http://www2.b3ta.com/merrychristmas/ --Amy From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 20:33:30 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Phil) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:33:30 +0000 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: <200312181816.hBIIGwOf006595@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> References: <200312181816.hBIIGwOf006595@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: 1) Your Name: Phil 2) Your Age: 34 3) Are you married and have you any children? no and no 4) I live here: Woburn Sands, nr Milton Keynes, UK 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: about 3 or 4 years 6) What do you want for X-mas? nothing really 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? new fx unit 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? that its a better year than 2003 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: a 3 cd drum&bass compilation called "bass in your face". havent had a chance to hear it all the way through yet, as my flatmate *hates* drum&bass with a passion (thats the main reason I bought it, of course!), but what I have heard is pretty good. 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? I cant think of anything that warrants a mention 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? only live gigs Ive been to this year has been kj 12) Worst music you heard all year: another call for the darkness here 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of _pink floyd__, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music) 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: Leftfield 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: yep, its the darkness again 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: Pandamonium & Democracy 17) Most overrated music of the year: need I say it ? 18) Most underrated music of the year: ? 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: Sarosa, Underworld, Leftfield, John Digweed, Portishead 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet the official website was very poor, the other sites are great 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: another album, but this time written/recorded by the full band in the studio, with some proper MC artwork, and some decent promotion, and of course, lots of live gigs 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction camden - probably the best gig Ive ever seen in my life manchester - my ears hurt alot after that one northampton - there was some prick in the 'mosh pit' trying to start a fight with virtually everyone, including me, kind of spoilt it a bit astoria (sat) - fucking brilliant, apart from driving all the way to london, getting off the end of the M1, then realising Id left my tickets at home! bollocks! luckily I still had time to drive all the way home again to pick them up (didnt break the speed limit at all, oh no, not me guv'!) 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? the alternative cover that mike's been promising us. where is it mike? 25) Favorite tracks on the new album: Dark Forces, Inferno, D&RS, BOYH 26) Least favorite track on the new album: your'll never get to me=20 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: probably seeing red, although Im not actually all that keen on the track myself 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? no, but I want to 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? pass, just not youth 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: BOYH 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? couple of t-shirts, poster, clock, more soon 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? Malicious Damage Drugs 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: dont know 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? not personally 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: I heard an american commentator on tv the other day who said that "Saddam should receive a fair trial, then be executed". made me laugh, anyway. 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: a better hidey hole than madam saddam 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? of course not 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? erm......how can you be prepared? 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? no 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? at work in Luton 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: get some foxy intern to smoke my pole 42) Tony Blair is : married to Zippy. 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: couldnt give a fuck 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: true, and do I really need to explain why? 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? clintons ::::END:::: From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 20:31:55 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:31:55 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: Goth Message-ID: <200312192032.hBJKWXOf022197@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> "What about Ministry?" What about'em? Are they 'Goth'? I'd say no. "My special friend (remember, he's demoted ;-)) is appalled that his 15-year-old niece considers Green Day Goth." As well he should be. Alex in NYC ---------- >From: amyr@jump.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: [kj] OT: Goth >Date: Fri, Dec 19, 2003, 2:36 PM > >What about Ministry? > >My special friend (remember, he's demoted ;-)) is appalled >that his 15-year-old niece considers Green Day Goth. >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 20:35:57 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:35:57 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] OT: Goth In-Reply-To: <200312192032.hBJKWXOf022197@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> from "Alex Smith" at Dec 19, 2003 03:31:55 PM Message-ID: <200312192035.hBJKZvAQ010181@basil.jkm.net> > "What about Ministry?" > > What about'em? Are they 'Goth'? I'd say no. Where would you put them? Industrial? I have a lot of friends who vacillated between Industrial and Goth back in the day. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 20:44:25 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:44:25 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] Jane's year end poll & a wee addition of my own In-Reply-To: <4E1B682DEDC4EB409D522C471E527DCF62CE5B@wyt-s-018.europe.shell.com> from "Shadforth, Jane E SUKOP-UOIT/42" at Dec 19, 2003 02:41:43 PM Message-ID: <200312192044.hBJKiPcU010299@basil.jkm.net> Jane:- > 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? In the last 3 months - NMA, Goldblade, Metal Urbain, The Damned, Machinehead, Therapy?, Alabama 3, Turbonegro, Jane's Addiction, BRMC, GU Medicine, Dandy Warhols, Marilyn Manson, Echo & the Bunnymen, Killing Joke and Giga-0. They all delivered the goods, except Marilyn Manson who was just plain mediocre... How did you think The Damned & EATB did in detail, if you wouldn't mind? Two of my faves. > 17) Most overrated music of the year: The Darkness would be too easy a target, at least they are getting up there and succeeding as a British rock band doing their own music. I'm afraid the willingness of the British public to lap up the pop idol / boy/girl band mindless, bland, pointless pop cover versions will always piss me off a lot more. Absolutely agreed, and I took a lot of stick for sticking up for The Darkness. At least they are breaking the mo(u)ld. > 18) Most underrated music of the year: Hundreds of touring/gigging bands who will never get a look in as long as the great British public continue to buy what they're told to instead of checking out what's happening at their local venue. (I don't know if this applies to other countries too??). Absolutely. > 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: why?? When the question "Brother Can You Spare A Dime" was asked, FDR said yes. Reagan said no. If this went through, I would ask Santa to rectally implant a roll of the new coinage up every Republican Congressman's arse. Bill me. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 20:53:29 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:53:29 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: from "Jester" at Dec 18, 2003 04:12:00 PM Message-ID: <200312192053.hBJKrTHq010941@basil.jkm.net> > Take eversuckage for instance. Lack of real vision aside, the girl has a > fucking horrible voice. They are billed as her being a pleasure to listen > to, but that tone def road whore is worse off than Edie Brickell. Edie was from Dallas, Amy's from Li'l Rock ;-) Edie bagged Paul Simon too. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 20:53:00 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:53:00 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] OT::Wish me luck In-Reply-To: from "Jester" at Dec 18, 2003 04:15:21 PM Message-ID: <200312192053.hBJKr0Mf010886@basil.jkm.net> > The gates of hell hath opened, and now I must go out to the real world, and > brave the hordes of ass holes to wrap up holiday shopping. People have all > lost their fucking minds, and t=B9is all I can do to keep control and not go > =B3Charles Witman=B2 here. For those in the UK, Charles Whitman was the guy who climbed the tower of the University of Texas here in Austin and began picking off pedestrians from about twenty storeys up. There are still bulletholes to be seen in buildings and statues. My special friend read the book _He Kills Koppers_ this year which apparently opens with a bit about the Whitman rampage. He breathlessly asked me if it were a true story. I sighed, rolled my eyes (which he couldn't see, since it was a phone call) and said yeah. Do any of you read contemporary BritFic? Just curious. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 21:01:15 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:01:15 GMT Subject: [kj] Jane's year end poll & a wee addition of my own Message-ID: <20031219.130119.5792.1011079@webmail23.nyc.untd.com> > 17) Most overrated music of the year: The Darkness would be too easy a target, at least they are getting up there and succeeding as a British rock band doing their own music. I'm afraid the willingness of the British public to lap up the pop idol / boy/girl band mindless, bland, pointless pop cover versions will always piss me off a lot more. Absolutely agreed, and I took a lot of stick for sticking up for The Darkness. At least they are breaking the mo(u)ld. I've gotta speak up here and say that I thoroughly enjoyed "Permission to Land." They are different than a lot of the nu-metal clogging the airwaves, and I have to give them points for that. William, who thought Evanescence was intriguing for a hot minute.... From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 21:07:34 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:07:34 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] Jane's year end poll & a wee addition of my own In-Reply-To: <20031219.130119.5792.1011079@webmail23.nyc.untd.com> from "typhonian@netzero.com" at Dec 19, 2003 09:01:15 PM Message-ID: <200312192107.hBJL7Yvh011402@basil.jkm.net> > William, > who thought Evanescence was intriguing for a hot minute.... So did my special friend. He emailed me "My Eternal" cos he knows I am related to half of Arkansas (home of Evanescence, insert yer favourite inbreeding joke here). From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 21:17:58 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jiri) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:17:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] [OT] - other Friday fun In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031219211758.82944.qmail@web80512.mail.yahoo.com> I know one of you Friday-fun regulars passed on a Trojan Games link a few months ago, but I hadn't seen this one yet. Damn, they're well done! http://flash.trojangames.co.uk/tgames/movies/movie2.html Jiri From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 21:18:54 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:18:54 GMT Subject: [kj] Jane's year end poll & a wee addition of my own Message-ID: <20031219.131915.5792.1011353@webmail23.nyc.untd.com> So did my special friend. He emailed me "My Eternal" cos he knows I am related to half of Arkansas (home of Evanescence, insert yer favourite inbreeding joke here). Like I said, I thought they were interesting for a while.... kind of lost interest mostly due to ooverplay. A thought: I wonder how Lacuna Coil and Tapping The Vein (both more accomplished at songwriting and performance than Evanescence) feel about that newer band making it huge.... But then, I always wondered how those crazy guys in Laibach felt about Rammstein coming out of virtually nowhere and riding a similar sound all the way to the bank.... William, who may not know from goth, but knows what he likes.... From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 21:30:35 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:30:35 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: Goth In-Reply-To: <200312191936.hBJJavhv009167@basil.jkm.net> Message-ID: On 12/19/03 1:36 PM, "Amy Moseley Rupp" wrote: > What about Ministry? >=20 > My special friend (remember, he's demoted ;-)) is appalled > that his 15-year-old niece considers Green Day Goth. Greenday goth???? Can I have the drugs she is taking? Seriously, where in the fucking hell does she get that? My god, the youth have gone fucking retarded. Ok, if ya wanna call it punk, that=B9s at LEAST a little closer....more like punk-lite, but goth? Where? Show me one thing that make= s greenday goth...just one...yeah, your "special friend" should be appalled a= t that one. I find no way on this earth, rational or not, to draw any link between grenday and goth. KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 21:31:13 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (fat potanga) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:31:13 +0000 Subject: [kj] 2003 polltime Mark S Message-ID: ...Micro Frets spacetone ...top five favorite bands/artists are: The Chameleons purely coincedence...? =;¬) ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Mark Saxton" Reply-To: gathering@misera.net To: Subject: [kj] 2003 polltime Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:23:03 -0000 1) Your Name:Mark Saxton / Ranjeef / Maxkonstar 2) Your Age:32 3) Are you married and have you any children? Yes and yes 4) I live here:Shirebrook 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since:last year 6) What do you want for X-mas? a Micro Frets spacetone guitar 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? Camden gig and associated expense 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? Finish my studio and for KJ to organise a special event to commemorate 25 yrs 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: Creatures - Hai, very good , but preferred Animus 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? British Sea Power - the decline of british sea power Placebo - sleeping with ghosts Janes Addiction - strays Peaches - fatherfucker Cooper Temple Clause - kick up the fire and let the flames break loose 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Radiohead at Nottingham Ice arena - incredibly, it was the best live sound i've ever heard at a gig, and i've been to around 400 or so, and I fucking hate "arena" gigs, but they were class. 12) Worst music you heard all year:I've tried to listen to some of the new goth bands such as cruxshadows etc, but they are truly dreadful and are just cliches of the worst elements of some truly great bands who got tagged all those years ago. 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music) The Darkness 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: The Danse Society 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: Metallica 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: Revelations and Extremities 17) Most overrated music of the year: Darkness,Evanescence,Libertines,athlete,kings of leon,jet, 18) Most underrated music of the year: Spear of destiny - Morning Star, deserves more credit, it's a cracking album 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: The Chameleons Gene Loves Jezebel/Jay Aston Young Gods Will Sergeant Gavin Friday 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet official site unnecessary as fan sites are amazing and i thank them all very much, cheers 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: for them not to have long periods of inactivity between releases and tours, although with jaz's love of classical work, this is probably gonna be the case once this flurry ends. 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction yep ecfuckingstatic 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? this should be a collaboration with the one and only Mester Coles, i think we all agree. 25) Favorite track on the new album:Blood on your hands 26) Least favorite track on the new album: Inferno 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been:Blood on your Hands 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? no not yet 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? Flood 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Seeing Red 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? yes and more to come, top quality 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? maybe some limited edition framed prints or something, although you could say they are already available,dunno,something a little different ....let me mull.........a hologramic picture of the millennium jester maybe 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: Jello Biafra 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? oh yes, I now sleep like a baby...thank you Sir Bush and Sir blair....who's next 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: let the peopleof Iraq decide 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: he's got a burger van up Langwith Junction near the scrapyard....really tasty burgers 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? no 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? how can you prepare? 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? no 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? I was at day hospital attending anxiety management group. 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: apologise to a few people for the bullshit that is now the norm....everyone expects lies, everyone knows a conspiracy theory or 30 will surface for every event, therefore nothing seems to hold creedence anymore...we all know about the lies, but it would be great just to hear a little humility from the global bullies. 42) Tony Blair is a: _buggerlugs________. 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: dunno,enlighten me 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: it's all there in his distant eyes, he is an absolute cunt 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? mmmmmm ::::END:::: _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 21:38:00 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (The Exorcist) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:38:00 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: Goth In-Reply-To: References: <200312191936.hBJJavhv009167@basil.jkm.net> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20031219163700.039ed270@mail.speakeasy.net> Do Goth Chicks Swallow??? (well something other than cyanide) MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! At 04:30 PM 12/19/2003, you wrote: >On 12/19/03 1:36 PM, "Amy Moseley Rupp" wrote: > > > What about Ministry? > > > > My special friend (remember, he's demoted ;-)) is appalled > > that his 15-year-old niece considers Green Day Goth. > > >Greenday goth???? Can I have the drugs she is taking? Seriously, where in >the fucking hell does she get that? My god, the youth have gone fucking >retarded. Ok, if ya wanna call it punk, that=B9s at LEAST a little >closer....more like punk-lite, but goth? Where? Show me one thing that= makes >greenday goth...just one...yeah, your "special friend" should be appalled= at >that one. I find no way on this earth, rational or not, to draw any link >between grenday and goth. > > > >KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! >OCCISIO LOCATIO > >THE WEBMASTER, >JESTER >WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM >WWW.PARALLAX1.COM > >There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > >"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or >Gates?" > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 21:38:10 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:38:10 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? In-Reply-To: <200312192009.hBJK9SVS009644@basil.jkm.net> Message-ID: On 12/19/03 2:09 PM, "Amy Moseley Rupp" wrote: >> Like what? Reading Camus & smoking Cloves??? > > Geesh, college students since time immemorial have been > doing this at the cafes and coffeehouses around the University > of Texas. Far before Goff. Well, at least until they closed Quackenbushes. Just not right at Starbucks..... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 21:39:44 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:39:44 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT Friday Crappage In-Reply-To: <200312192013.hBJKDJt6009705@basil.jkm.net> Message-ID: On 12/19/03 2:13 PM, "Amy Moseley Rupp" wrote: > Laughing in self-recognition? :-) ;-) > > I mean, the male of every species is like this. > Except some humans who prefer other males' parts. > > Behind every cute little intact male animal is > the same boiling over of lust that the not-so-cute > ones have. Hey, wait a ...are you...no no no.. STOP MAKING FUN OF ME!!!! Hahahaha KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 21:41:05 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:41:05 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] OT: Goth In-Reply-To: from "Jester" at Dec 19, 2003 03:30:35 PM Message-ID: <200312192141.hBJLf5xl012677@basil.jkm.net> > Greenday goth???? Can I have the drugs she is taking? Seriously, where in > the fucking hell does she get that? My god, the youth have gone fucking > retarded. Ok, if ya wanna call it punk, thatąs at LEAST a little > closer....more like punk-lite, but goth? Where? Show me one thing that makes > greenday goth...just one...yeah, your "special friend" should be appalled at > that one. I find no way on this earth, rational or not, to draw any link > between grenday and goth. Has any teenager ever had to justify his/her opinions to an (gasp!) adult? He played her Sisters Of Mercy and the like but up into the air went the cute snubbed nose and her brain turned off. (sigh) Hey, my 11-year-old fancies a song that contains the lyrics "Girls like cars and money" (I fink, either that or guys with money). (blechhhhhhh) I'm going to try to hunt it down to give her for Christmas. Rather her listen to shite music than no music at all! From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 21:40:56 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:40:56 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: Goth In-Reply-To: <200312192035.hBJKZvAQ010181@basil.jkm.net> Message-ID: On 12/19/03 2:35 PM, "Amy Moseley Rupp" wrote: >> "What about Ministry?" >> >> What about'em? Are they 'Goth'? I'd say no. > > Where would you put them? Industrial? Yes.. KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 21:44:13 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:44:13 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? In-Reply-To: from "Jester" at Dec 19, 2003 03:38:10 PM Message-ID: <200312192144.hBJLiDlm012697@basil.jkm.net> > Well, at least until they closed Quackenbushes. Just not right at > Starbucks..... Or Les Amis, or.... Yeah, how the fuck can one be bohemian at STARBUCKS? located inside Barnes & Noble on the Drag? You know: wear a beret. Smoke clove cigarettes. Stay up all night in a world that went to sleep until every damned business decided to be open 24 hours. Drink from honest to god stained porcelain vats of coffee that students before them had used rather than paper cups. (spits) I HATE Starbucks. Right, off to make a cuppa PG Tips. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 21:44:29 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jiri) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:44:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT: Goth In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031219214429.48565.qmail@web80513.mail.yahoo.com> So, given what passes for "goth" and what passes for "punk" among today's kids, in 10-20 years the meaning of those words will be as diluted as the meaning of "freedom" is today. Add to that the Santa, er, Satan-line behavior Jester's seen among the adults of the future, and 10-20 years from now isn't looking to hot! Y'all are turning me into a grumpy old fart :o) hee hee... --- Jester wrote: > On 12/19/03 1:36 PM, "Amy Moseley Rupp" > wrote: > > > What about Ministry? > > > > My special friend (remember, he's demoted ;-)) is > appalled > > that his 15-year-old niece considers Green Day > Goth. > > > Greenday goth???? Can I have the drugs she is > taking? Seriously, where in > the fucking hell does she get that? My god, the > youth have gone fucking > retarded. Ok, if ya wanna call it punk, thatąs at > LEAST a little > closer....more like punk-lite, but goth? Where? Show > me one thing that makes > greenday goth...just one...yeah, your "special > friend" should be appalled at > that one. I find no way on this earth, rational or > not, to draw any link > between grenday and goth. > > > > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! > OCCISIO LOCATIO > > THE WEBMASTER, > JESTER > WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM > WWW.PARALLAX1.COM > > There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > > "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we > have for Windows or > Gates?" > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 21:46:39 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:46:39 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT::Wish me luck In-Reply-To: <200312192053.hBJKr0Mf010886@basil.jkm.net> Message-ID: Thing of it is, a lot of schools have things like this that have happened. Kent St has a happening where cops blasted away at students. Aggy had some sticks fall on them...we had a nut climb the main building tower and play a bit of a real life First Person Shooter. Say what you will about ol Charlie, he was a devilishly good shot. Our military trained him well. On 12/19/03 2:53 PM, "Amy Moseley Rupp" wrote: >> The gates of hell hath opened, and now I must go out to the real world, and >> brave the hordes of ass holes to wrap up holiday shopping. People have all >> lost their fucking minds, and t=B9is all I can do to keep control and not go >> =B3Charles Witman=B2 here. > > For those in the UK, Charles Whitman was the guy who climbed > the tower of the University of Texas here in Austin and began > picking off pedestrians from about twenty storeys up. > > There are still bulletholes to be seen in buildings and > statues. > > My special friend read the book _He Kills Koppers_ this year > which apparently opens with a bit about the Whitman rampage. > He breathlessly asked me if it were a true story. I sighed, > rolled my eyes (which he couldn't see, since it was a phone > call) and said yeah. > > Do any of you read contemporary BritFic? Just curious. > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 21:51:10 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:51:10 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] OT Friday Crappage In-Reply-To: from "Jester" at Dec 19, 2003 03:39:44 PM Message-ID: <200312192151.hBJLpApt012745@basil.jkm.net> > > I mean, the male of every species is like this. > > Except some humans who prefer other males' parts. > > > > Behind every cute little intact male animal is > > the same boiling over of lust that the not-so-cute > > ones have. > > > Hey, wait a ...are you...no no no.. > > > > STOP MAKING FUN OF ME!!!! No, no..... the "not-so-cute" *species* have the same lust as the cute ones. Did not mean only not-so-cute *human* males have volcanoes of lust! They all do! (Well, again, the intact-as-far-as-the-cojones go ones ;-)) Okay okay since it is Friday...... Too many words for 'intact'! I love to learn the not-so-obvious differences between US and UK ..... and one of them I learned last year was that mid 30s males of Anglo-Saxon descent are highly likely to be 'cut' here, whereas in the UK it is exactly the opposite. In telling the few blokes who know that it is mere scientific curiosity that motivates me to share these things, each side went, "Ewwwwwwwwwwww!" From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 22:00:05 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:00:05 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] OT: Goth In-Reply-To: <20031219214429.48565.qmail@web80513.mail.yahoo.com> from "Jiri" at Dec 19, 2003 01:44:29 PM Message-ID: <200312192200.hBJM05gS012804@basil.jkm.net> > So, given what passes for "goth" and what passes for > "punk" among today's kids, in 10-20 years the meaning > of those words will be as diluted as the meaning of > "freedom" is today. Actually I was watching ITV (UK) news the other night and it said the government had released a report that says this generation of British teens is the first to be likely to NOT outlive their parents due to being overweight, underexercised, drinking, drugging, and having sex with zillions of partners before they hit 16. And beyond. It was actually based on sound evidence such as rates of different illnesses, amounts of drug use and drinking, etc. I think that one of the *ONLY* benefits of the Bible-slinging "Just Say No" conservatives was that parents of that ilk, even if they'd been free-lovin' free-druggin' hippies, cracked down on their kids, and in general, heavy drug use and multiple partner sex is not as accepted here as it is in the UK. Please note I'm not down on a spliff and a shag -- just -- moderation, don't kill yourself before you're 18 kind of thing. The kind of crap we have now produced *here* is kids who believe that they are truly above all rules not because they are *kids*, but because they personally are better than anyone else on the planet and deserve to have everything in life handed to them for free forever and not do a lick of work or show a thimbleful of kindness to their fellow human beings. In trying to explain some of this to my daughter, she sighed wistfully and said, wouldn't it be nice if everyone had zillions of dollars and didn't have to work? and I said, well, if that were true, those zillions would be useless, cos who would make stuff to buy? who'd work in restaurants? in other words, how the hell would anyone *enjoy* a zillion dollars if no one worked?! I think the answer kids are thinking of now is "old people (anyone over 25) and poor people will work and we'll spend all the money." Just wait until *they're* old (over 25) and poor. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 21:59:05 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mark Saxton) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:59:05 -0000 Subject: [kj] 2003 polltime Mark S References: Message-ID: <012901c3c67b$51f8c200$7b552bd9@musicpc> Not at all, well spotted,Dave is a genius and they are beautiful guitars...very rare,,,probably rarer than a 295...by the way,did you know that Dave has just made a limited quantity of cds available from his current address in Lincoln?....if not ,check out the Wishville message board through the links on the official Chams site for more details. ----- Original Message ----- From: "fat potanga" To: Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:31 PM Subject: RE: [kj] 2003 polltime Mark S > ...Micro Frets spacetone > ...top five favorite bands/artists are: The Chameleons > > purely coincedence...? =;¬) > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Mark Saxton" > Reply-To: gathering@misera.net > To: > Subject: [kj] 2003 polltime > Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:23:03 -0000 > > > 1) Your Name:Mark Saxton / Ranjeef / Maxkonstar > > 2) Your Age:32 > > 3) Are you married and have you any children? Yes and yes > > 4) I live here:Shirebrook > > 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since:last year > > 6) What do you want for X-mas? a Micro Frets spacetone guitar > > 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? Camden gig and associated expense > > 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? Finish my studio and for KJ to organise a > special event to commemorate 25 yrs > > 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: Creatures - Hai, > very good , but preferred Animus > > 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five > favorite releases of the year? > British Sea Power - the decline of british sea power > Placebo - sleeping with ghosts > Janes Addiction - strays > Peaches - fatherfucker > Cooper Temple Clause - kick up the fire and let the flames break loose > 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Radiohead at > Nottingham Ice arena - incredibly, it was the best live sound i've ever > heard at a gig, and i've been to around 400 or so, and I fucking hate > "arena" gigs, but they were class. > > 12) Worst music you heard all year:I've tried to listen to some of the new > goth bands such as cruxshadows etc, but they are truly dreadful and are just > cliches of the worst elements of some truly great bands who got tagged all > those years ago. > > 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I > lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be > restricted to music) The Darkness > > 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: The > Danse Society > > 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: Metallica > > 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: > Revelations and Extremities > > 17) Most overrated music of the year: > Darkness,Evanescence,Libertines,athlete,kings of leon,jet, > > 18) Most underrated music of the year: Spear of destiny - Morning Star, > deserves more credit, it's a cracking album > > 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: The > Chameleons > Gene Loves Jezebel/Jay Aston > Young Gods > Will Sergeant > Gavin Friday > > 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet official > site unnecessary as fan sites are amazing and i thank them all very much, > cheers > > 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the > following to happen: > for them not to have long periods of inactivity between releases and tours, > although with jaz's love of classical work, this is probably gonna be the > case once this flurry ends. > > 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain > your reaction yep ecfuckingstatic > > 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red > Krusty Clown? this should be a collaboration with the one and only Mester > Coles, i think we all agree. > > 25) Favorite track on the new album:Blood on your hands > > 26) Least favorite track on the new album: Inferno > > 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have > been:Blood on your Hands > > 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? > no not yet > > 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing > Joke record? Flood > > 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: > Seeing Red > 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE > FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? yes and more to come, top quality > > 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? > maybe some limited edition framed prints or something, although you could > say they are already available,dunno,something a little different ....let me > mull.........a hologramic picture of the millennium jester maybe > > 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White > House: Jello Biafra > > 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? oh > yes, I now sleep like a baby...thank you Sir Bush and Sir blair....who's > next > > 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: let the > peopleof Iraq decide > > 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: he's got a burger van up Langwith Junction > near the scrapyard....really tasty burgers > > 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the > homefront (US/UK/EUR)? no > > 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? how can you prepare? > > 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, > 2001? no > > 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? I was at day hospital > attending anxiety management group. > > 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: > apologise to a few people for the bullshit that is now the norm....everyone > expects lies, everyone knows a conspiracy theory or 30 will surface for > every event, therefore nothing seems to hold creedence anymore...we all know > about the lies, but it would be great just to hear a little humility from > the global bullies. > > 42) Tony Blair is a: _buggerlugs________. > > 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime > with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: dunno,enlighten me > > 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you > feel this way. Support your argument: > it's all there in his distant eyes, he is an absolute cunt > 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation > better off: Bush's or Clinton's? > mmmmmm > ::::END:::: > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection > http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 22:06:50 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (phat seanio) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:06:50 +0000 Subject: [kj] TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT........ Message-ID:

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Reduce spam in your inbox with MSN 8's intelligent junk e-mail filters. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 22:08:56 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Djehuti111) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:08:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT: Goth In-Reply-To: <200312192035.hBJKZvAQ010181@basil.jkm.net> Message-ID: <20031219220856.87298.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com> --- Amy Moseley Rupp wrote: > I have a lot of friends who vacillated between > Industrial > and Goth back in the day. Some of us still do! ~Aleph ===== "The scene was wild and somewhat sinister. The darkness, the palms, the mountainous background, the silent lake below, the impenetrable canopy of space, studded with secretive and significant stars, formed a stupendous setting for the savage noise and blaze of the ceremony." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 22:00:34 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:00:34 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] OT::Wish me luck In-Reply-To: from "Jester" at Dec 19, 2003 03:46:39 PM Message-ID: <200312192200.hBJM0YgD012815@basil.jkm.net> > sticks fall on them...we had a nut climb the main building tower and play a > bit of a real life First Person Shooter. Say what you will about ol Charlie, > he was a devilishly good shot. Our military trained him well. That's what they say about Osama as well. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 22:08:12 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:08:12 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: Goth In-Reply-To: <20031219214429.48565.qmail@web80513.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 12/19/03 3:44 PM, "Jiri" wrote: > So, given what passes for "goth" and what passes for > "punk" among today's kids, in 10-20 years the meaning > of those words will be as diluted as the meaning of > "freedom" is today. > > Add to that the Santa, er, Satan-line behavior > Jester's seen among the adults of the future, and > 10-20 years from now isn't looking to hot! > > Y'all are turning me into a grumpy old fart :o) hee > hee... Like I say, kids have gone retarded. It is DE-evolution... All I want to do now, is paint the windows black, and only go out side to yell at the kids that tear my yard up/spray paint the cars... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 22:16:14 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:16:14 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT Friday Crappage In-Reply-To: <200312192151.hBJLpApt012745@basil.jkm.net> Message-ID: On 12/19/03 3:51 PM, "Amy Moseley Rupp" wrote: > No, no..... the "not-so-cute" *species* have the same > lust as the cute ones. Did not mean only not-so-cute > *human* males have volcanoes of lust! They all do! > (Well, again, the intact-as-far-as-the-cojones go ones ;-)) > > Okay okay since it is Friday...... > > Too many words for 'intact'! > > I love to learn the not-so-obvious differences between > US and UK ..... and one of them I learned last year was > that mid 30s males of Anglo-Saxon descent are highly > likely to be 'cut' here, whereas in the UK it is exactly > the opposite. In telling the few blokes who know that > it is mere scientific curiosity that motivates me to > share these things, each side went, "Ewwwwwwwwwwww!" Hey, Amy...is this your circumlocutious way of asking us to send pics to see if were circumcised and super sized??? Hahaha...just kidding... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 22:25:11 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:25:11 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] OT Friday Crappage In-Reply-To: from "Jester" at Dec 19, 2003 04:16:14 PM Message-ID: <200312192225.hBJMPB0I012988@basil.jkm.net> > Hey, Amy...is this your circumlocutious way of asking us to send pics to see > if were circumcised and super sized??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nor do I want measurements in inches or centimetres. Nothing turns me off faster than some dick sending me a picture of his dick. Blecchhhhhhhhchchchh. Enough Blechs? From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 22:27:52 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:27:52 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: Goth In-Reply-To: <200312192200.hBJM05gS012804@basil.jkm.net> Message-ID: Well, I seriously do think your on the right track here on certain aspects. But I don=B9t think kids of today party any more than we did. I know most of the people my wife works with and knows, peter out loooong before I do. And I am a sick bastard. They are surprisingly frail, and that does include my younger wife as well. With that said, I think it boils down to education, laziness, and a complet= e lack of discipline and respect. I see kids tell their parents "NO" all the time, and the parents are like, "Ok, maybe not..ho hum". If I said no to my parents, like that, I got the shit kicked out of me. Now you have parents cowing down to their kids. See it everyday on shows like Montel. "I am scared of my 12 year old". Huh? 12 year old???? Your 12 year old said they are gonna do something, and you didn=B9t fuck him/her up??? Ohhhh...no no no. Not the way shit works. Then, these ass clowns want to turn it back on society. In a NORMAL situation, with non abusive parents (I know there are some instances like that of my wife's upbringing where this does not apply at all..) typical kids should ever feel they have the right to stand up in their parents face and disrespect them...EVER. Maybe it is this whole "southern US upbringing", but I have this philosophy that the day my kids think they are man enough to stand in my face, that=B9s the day I set them back down like a child. The point is, parents are frightened of their kids, refuse to discipline them, and then wonder why all the shit is torn up....turn around and blame society. Nah, kids arent worse than we were, they are just allowed to show it off like we werent, and then be disrespectful about it. On 12/19/03 4:00 PM, "Amy Moseley Rupp" wrote: >> So, given what passes for "goth" and what passes for >> "punk" among today's kids, in 10-20 years the meaning >> of those words will be as diluted as the meaning of >> "freedom" is today. >=20 > Actually I was watching ITV (UK) news the other night > and it said the government had released a report that > says this generation of British teens is the first > to be likely to NOT outlive their parents due to > being overweight, underexercised, drinking, drugging, > and having sex with zillions of partners before they > hit 16. And beyond. >=20 > It was actually based on sound evidence such as rates > of different illnesses, amounts of drug use and drinking, > etc. >=20 > I think that one of the *ONLY* benefits of the Bible-slinging > "Just Say No" conservatives was that parents of that ilk, > even if they'd been free-lovin' free-druggin' hippies, cracked > down on their kids, and in general, heavy drug use and multiple > partner sex is not as accepted here as it is in the UK. Please > note I'm not down on a spliff and a shag -- just -- moderation, > don't kill yourself before you're 18 kind of thing. >=20 > The kind of crap we have now produced *here* is kids who believe > that they are truly above all rules not because they are *kids*, > but because they personally are better than anyone else on the > planet and deserve to have everything in life handed to them > for free forever and not do a lick of work or show a thimbleful > of kindness to their fellow human beings. >=20 > In trying to explain some of this to my daughter, she sighed > wistfully and said, wouldn't it be nice if everyone had zillions > of dollars and didn't have to work? and I said, well, if > that were true, those zillions would be useless, cos who would > make stuff to buy? who'd work in restaurants? in other words, > how the hell would anyone *enjoy* a zillion dollars if no one > worked?! >=20 > I think the answer kids are thinking of now is "old people (anyone > over 25) and poor people will work and we'll spend all the money." > Just wait until *they're* old (over 25) and poor. >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >=20 >=20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 22:29:58 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:29:58 -0600 Subject: [kj] [OT] - other Friday fun In-Reply-To: <20031219211758.82944.qmail@web80512.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: For the sheep lovers...brits and aggy http://www.zodoenzehetdaar.nl/templates/filmpje1.php OUCH! On 12/19/03 3:17 PM, "Jiri" wrote: > I know one of you Friday-fun regulars passed on a > Trojan Games link a few months ago, but I hadn't seen > this one yet. Damn, they're well done! > > http://flash.trojangames.co.uk/tgames/movies/movie2.html > > Jiri > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 22:31:22 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:31:22 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT Friday Crappage In-Reply-To: <200312192225.hBJMPB0I012988@basil.jkm.net> Message-ID: On 12/19/03 4:25 PM, "Amy Moseley Rupp" wrote: >> Hey, Amy...is this your circumlocutious way of asking us to send pics to see >> if were circumcised and super sized??? > > NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Nor do I want measurements in inches or centimetres. > > Nothing turns me off faster than some dick sending > me a picture of his dick. Blecchhhhhhhhchchchh. > Haha...How odd...I feel the EXACT same way... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 22:35:37 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:35:37 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] OT: Goth In-Reply-To: from "Jester" at Dec 19, 2003 04:27:52 PM Message-ID: <200312192235.hBJMZbH5013074@basil.jkm.net> > Well, I seriously do think your on the right track here on certain aspects. > But I donąt think kids of today party any more than we did. I know most of > the people my wife works with and knows, peter out loooong before I do. And > I am a sick bastard. They are surprisingly frail, and that does include my > younger wife as well. Yeah, American kids don't party like we did, but apparently Brit kids do. > back down like a child. The point is, parents are frightened of their kids, > refuse to discipline them, and then wonder why all the shit is torn > up....turn around and blame society. Nah, kids arent worse than we were, > they are just allowed to show it off like we werent, and then be > disrespectful about it. I dunno..... part of it, I think, is that some of us of our age *did* see abusive behaviour and we don't want to repeat that with our kids. Another part is that when we were kids, there were hordes of other kids to play with and our parents kicked us out the house and said "go play dammit" whereas today one is expected to play with one's kids cos everyone stays inside and there are less kids in general. Today's kids won't go out unless it's 75 degrees exactly else it's too hot/cold outside. Hell we played in the street till our feet were black and bloody (no shoes). These kids won't even go in their backyards. Part of it is that the preschools and schools teach kids to be scared of all strangers and being without an adult in general so they don't wanna. I would never have insisted that my mother stop making dinner and come outside and push my swing for an hour. I'd've just swung myself. I don't know if you see this attitude there, Jester, but I see it here. Parents are *expected* to be their kids' best buddies and you can't do that *and* be respected as a discplinarian. Really, you can't. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 22:37:01 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:37:01 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] [OT] - other Friday fun In-Reply-To: from "Jester" at Dec 19, 2003 04:29:58 PM Message-ID: <200312192237.hBJMb17X013089@basil.jkm.net> > For the sheep lovers...brits and aggy > > http://www.zodoenzehetdaar.nl/templates/filmpje1.php > > OUCH! The Welsh are the typical sheepshagging suspects but of course that's just what the English say ;-) You ALL have heard about why shepherds wear Wellies, right? God I've heard that in AUSTIN from an ex-pat. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 22:49:18 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:49:18 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: <001901c3c63f$967e3a40$71809351@sn7212787026> from "Ford Prefect" at Dec 19, 2003 02:49:44 PM Message-ID: <200312192249.hBJMnIsu013194@basil.jkm.net> 1) Your Name: Amy Moseley 2) Your Age: 36 3) Are you married and have you any children? yes-but-not-for-long, yes 4) I live here: Austin, Texas 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: 2003 6) What do you want for X-mas? English friends right here in Austin, Texas, and if I've been really really good an English boyfriend HERE dammit. (PS: as noted in earlier mail I'm really not into pictures!) 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? phone bill to England 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? a job, helping my kids adjust to life with divorced parents, and maybe some heavy petting for myself 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it? The Echo & The Bunnymen remasters, cos I'm a purist and 320 kpbs ain't good enough, and they rule. Especially _Heaven Up Here_. If you ever liked the Bunnymen, get this one for yourself for Xmas. 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? The EATB albums total five, but...... Muse's _Sing For Absolution_ is also mighty fine..... (to be continued) From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 23:10:48 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:10:48 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] OT Friday Crappage In-Reply-To: from "Jester" at Dec 19, 2003 04:31:22 PM Message-ID: <200312192310.hBJNAmdc013328@basil.jkm.net> > Haha...How odd...I feel the EXACT same way... Someone who shall remain nameless but is not here once sent me a picture of his..... member, telling me before hand it was a picture of him. Well silly ol' me, I assumed it was a picture of his *face*. I think it took me several days before I could eat again! From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 23:17:25 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (wardance) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:17:25 +0100 Subject: [kj] WARDANCE Mailorder : YEAR END SPECIAL OFFER, DON'T MISS IT ! 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Avec KIRLIAN CAMERA, NORTHGATE, RUNES ORDER, PRAGER HANDGRIFF, DIE = LARM, CHAOS/ORDER, MANIPULATION, DISCORDANCE, KNIFELADDER, ANGELS AND = AGONY, BLENHEIM, etc V/A "TAKE OFF MUSIC VOL.1" CD 7 EUROS Gothic/Indus/Dark/Cold Wave, 10 groupes/14 titres, avec ANGINA PECTORIS, = LOST IMAGE, PP?, PSYCHIC FORCE, OVERGAMENT, AGE OF HEAVEN, FROM LAUGHTER = TO TEARS, etc V/A "THUGS 'N' KISSES" CD 7 EUROS Compil Electro-Indus, 16 groupes/16 titres, avec PENAL COLONY, SKREW, = HATE DEPT, 16 VOLT, DEATH INDUSTRY, APPARATUS, VAMPIRE RODENTS, SMP, = ACUMEN, COLLA DESTRA, CHEMLAB, CLAY PEOPLE, PAIN EMISSION, TINFED, = SOCIETY BURNING, et KILLING FLOOR. V/A "TOTAL DEVOTION" CD 7 EUROS Dark/Electro-Indus crossover, 10 titres, avec SCHNITT ACHT, REVOLTING = COCKS, SKREW, PIGFACE, SUGARSMACK, CHEMLAB, EVIL MOTHERS, LAB REPORT, et = DEEP THROAT. V/A "WHAT SWEET MUSIC THEY MAKE VOL. 2" CD 6 EUROS Second volume de la c=E9l=E8bre compil Gothic/Dark de "Thee Vampire = Guild", 17 groupes/17 titres, avec : PARALYSED AGE, INTO THE ABYSS, = LONDON AFTER MIDNIGHT, THE HOUSE OF USHER, CORPUS DELICTI, TWO WITCHES, = INKUBUS SUKKUBUS, MIDNIGHT CONFIGURATION, GHOSTING, ALL LIVING FEAR, = FAITHFUL DAWN, THE MARIONETTES, MORTICIA, STONE 588, ASTRO VAMPS, VLAD = JANICEK (EX-NOSFERATU), et WITCHING HOUR. Import de Grande Bretagne. V/A "WIRED INJECTIONS" CD 7 EUROS Dark/Electro/Indus/Gothic, 16 titres, avec SPAHN RANCH, ROSETTA STONE, = CHRISTIAN DEATH, THE ELECTRIC HELLFIRE CLUB, DIE KRUPPS, DOWNLOAD, = KLUTE, PSYCHIC TV, SWITCHBLADE SYMPHONY, THE WAKE, KILL SWITCH.KLICK, = RAZED IN BLACK, BIRMINGHAM 6, SYNAESTHESIA, PIGMY CHILDREN, et NOISE = BOX. Bo=EEtier avec image "3-D" anim=E9e. 3/ DARK/BLACK METAL, GOTHIC METAL, THRASH, etc : AES DANA "La Chasse Sauvage" CD 13 EUROS AETERNUS "Burning the Shroud" CD 7 EUROS AKHENATON "Divine Symphonies" CD 9 EUROS ANAON "The Soul's Tribe" MCD-R 5 EUROS ANCIENT "Det Glemte Riket" LP 9 EUROS ANCIENT "Det Glemte Riket" CD 13 EUROS ANCIENT "Svartalvheim" CD 13 EUROS ANCIENT RITES "Dim Carcosa" LP 9 EUROS AND OCEANS / BLOODTHORN War Vol. I CD 5 EUROS ANTECHRISTUS "Lands of ancestral Battles" MCD-R 4,50 EUROS ANTECHRISTUS "Profonde Aversion" MCD-R 4,50 EUROS ARCKAN OBSCURA "The blessed virgin's whoregasm" MCD 7 EUROS ARIPA SATANEI / CRANIPHORE Split K7 2 EUROS ASHES YOU LEAVE "The passage back to life" CD 7 EUROS ATROPOS "...La Fileuse de Mort..." K7 5 EUROS AURA NOIR "Deep tracts of hell" CD 5 EUROS AUTUMN VERSES "Tunes of disconsolation" CD 5 EUROS BELENOS "Errances oniriques" Digi CD 9 EUROS BERSERK "From the Celtiberian Woods" CD 7 EUROS BETHZAIDA "A prelude to Nine Worlds" CD 4 EUROS BETHZAIDA "LXXVIII" CD 4 EUROS BIFROST "Mythistory" CD 4 EUROS BILSKIRNIR "For the Return of Paganism" EP 4,50 EUROS BLACK FUNERAL "Vampyr - Throne of the Beast" CD 7 EUROS BLACK FUNERAL "Moon of Characith" CD 7 EUROS BLOODTHORN "In the shadow of your black wings" CD 7 EUROS BRAN BARR "Les Chroniques de Naerg" CD 13 EUROS COUNT NOSFERATU "Soleil Noir" K7 4 EUROS CRUACHAN "Tuatha Na Gael" CD 13 EUROS CRUACHAN "The Middle Kingdom" CD 13 EUROS CRUACHAN "Folk-Lore" CD 13 EUROS CRUENTION MCD 4,50 EUROS CRUENTION "Miaza Noptii" K7 2,50 EUROS CURSE "Cursed be thy name" MCD 5 EUROS DARKEN "Arcane XIII" CD 4 EUROS DARK REALITY "Haze pervade the Pain" CD 7 EUROS DARKSHINE "Lupus Infernorum" CD-R 4,50 EUROS DIABOLICAL MASQUERADE "Ravendusk in my heart" CD 13 EUROS DIABOLICAL MASQUERADE "Nightwork" CD 7 EUROS DISSIMULATION "Miglose" K7 2 EUROS ELBERETH "...And other Reasons" CD 7 EUROS EMPEROR "Reverence" MCD 3 EUROS ENOCHIAN CRESCENT "Omega Telocvovim" CD 5 EUROS EOSTENEM "O" MCD-R 4,50 EUROS EVOL "Ancient abbey" MCD 3 EUROS EVOL "Dreamquest" CD 13 EUROS FIGHT "A small deadly space" CD 7 EUROS FROM DEPHTS "De Profundis Clamavi" CD 6 EUROS FUNERAL "Tristesse" MCD 5 EUROS GARWALL "Abyssus Abyssum Invocat" CD 5 EUROS GEASA "Angel's cry" CD 5 EUROS GLOOMY GRIM "Blood, Monsters, Darkness" CD 9 EUROS GRAVELAND "Following the Voice of Blood" CD 10 EUROS GRAVELAND "Immortal Pride" CD 10 EUROS GRAVELAND "Creed of Iron" Digi CD 10 EUROS GRAVELAND "Raise your sword" MCD 7 EUROS HADES ALMIGHTY "Millenium Nocturne" CD 5 EUROS HEATHEN DAWN "Wasted Land" MCD 8 EUROS HEGEMON "Chaos Supreme" CD 7 EUROS HIMINBJORG "Where Ravens fly" CD 7 EUROS HIMINBJORG "Third" MCD 7 EUROS IMPIETY "Skullfucking Armageddon" CD 7 EUROS IN LUPUS PACIS "Strength" MCD 6 EUROS IUVENES "Riddle of Steel" CD 13 EUROS IUVENES "Empire of Juvenes" CD 13 EUROS KATHARSIS "Dawn of a New Order" EP 4,50 EUROS KEEP OF KALESSIN "Through times of war" CD 5 EUROS KEEP OF KALESSIN "Agnen a journey through the dark" CD 5 EUROS KOROZY "From the Cradle to the Grave" CD 5 EUROS LORD KAOS "Thorns of Impurity" CD 5 EUROS LORD WIND "Heralds of Fight" CD 13 EUROS LORD WIND "Rites of the Valkyries" CD 13 EUROS LUCIFUGUM "On the Sortilage of Christianity" CD 7 EUROS MALEDICTION "Mould of an industrial horizon" EP 2 EUROS MAYHEM "Live in Leipzig (26/11/1990)" CD 9 EUROS MOON "Daemon's heart" CD 5 EUROS MORDOR "Csejthe" CD 13 euros M=DCTIILATION "Black Millennium" CD 9 EUROS MYSTIC FOREST "Green Hell" CD 7 EUROS MYSTIC FOREST "Welcome Back in the Forest" CD 7 EUROS NACHTHYMNEN "S.g.a.s.n" K7 4 EUROS NAHASH "Nocticula Hecate" K7 2 EUROS NEGURA BUNGET "Sala Molksa" CD 4 EUROS NEHEMAH "Light of a Dead Star" CD 7 EUROS NIGHT CONQUERS DAY "Rebellion is the Art of Survival" CD 5 EUROS NIGHTSKY BEQUEST "Uncounted Stars, unfounded Dreamlands" MCD 4 EUROS NOCTURN "Shades of Insanity" EP 2 EUROS NOCTURNAL FEARS "Trax of ninety nine" MCD 6 EUROS OPERA IX "The black opera" CD 7 EUROS OPHTHALAMIA "A journey in darkness" CD 5 EUROS PENETRATOR "Now..." 1er Maxi 1990 12' 2 EUROS PRIMORDIAL "Imrama" CD 13 EUROS PRIMORDIAL "A Journey's End" LP 9 EUROS PRIMORDIAL "Spirit the Earth Aflame" CD 13 EUROS PRIMORDIAL "The Burning Season" MCD 7 EUROS PRIMORDIAL "Storm before Calm" CD 13 EUROS PRIMORDIAL "Storm Before Calm" LP 10 EUROS RITUAL "The Summoning" CD 5 EUROS ROSSOMAHAAR "Imperium Tenebrarum" CD 5 EUROS R.U. DEAD ? "Nothing will be forgiven" MCD 4 EUROS RUDRA S/t "Rudra" CD 5 EUROS THE SECOND MOON "The Second Moon" MCD 3 EUROS STONEHENGE "Scum Brigade" CD 5 EUROS SUFFER "On Sour Ground" EP 2 EUROS THY GRIEF "The frozen tomb of mankind" CD 5 EUROS TUMULUS "Wodureid" MCD 7 EUROS VERMETH "Your ruins" CD 7 EUROS VORDVEN "Woodland passage" CD 7 EUROS VORDVEN "Towards the Frozen Stream" CD 9 EUROS WITCHES "3.4.1" CD 4 EUROS V/A "GODFLESH TRIBUTE" 2 X CD-R 7 EUROS Double CD-R compil "Tribute to GODFLESH", jaquette imprim=E9e couleur = qualit=E9 pro. 26 reprises de GODFLESH par : BLUT AUS NORD, KILL THE = THRILL, KHAOS DIVINE, WODEN, DEE N DEE, DIABOLUS EX MACHINA, CTHUWULF, = SET IN STONE, ANTIGAMA, FUCK THE FACTS, THE SKELETONZ, INFECTION CODE, = PEDIGREE, ARE YOU GOD, PROPHELATION, CYLENS, BEGOTTEN, etc etc V/A "WORLD DOMINATION VOL.1" CD 4 EUROS avec IMMORTAL, MARDUK, ANCIENT, IMPALED NAZARENE, ENSLAVED, DEMONIAC, = ABSU, SADISTIK EXEKUTION, MYTHOS, LUCIFERION, FALLEN CHRIST, et DIABOLOS = RISING. 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1/ PUNK ROCK, PUNK HARDCORE, OI!,  etc =20 :

ARSEDESTROYER / CONFUSION split EP 2 EUROS
BLITZ  "The = Killing=20 Dream" CD 13 EUROS
THE BLOOD "Fabulous as usual" EP 3=20 EUROS
CONVICTED  S/t "Convicted" EP 2 EUROS
THE DAMNED "Disco = Man /=20 Pretty Vacant" EP 4,50 EUROS
THE DARK  "The Best of The = Dark" =20 CD  14 EUROS
DECONTROL  S/t "Decontrol" LP  5=20 EUROS
[DISCARD] "Firmly Clenched Fist" MCD 6,10 EUROS
DISFEAR = "Soul=20 Scars"  CD 5 EUROS
DISFEAR "Everyday Slaughter"  LP  5 = EUROS
DRILLER KILLER "L.I.F.E" EP 4 EUROS
THE EXPLOITED  = "Troops of=20 Tomorrow" CD  14 EUROS
THE EXPLOITED  "Let's start a War" = CD =20 14 EUROS
FICTION ROMANCE "Gangrhaine"  CD  4,50 = EUROS
FUNERAL=20 DRESS  "Totally Dressed 1985-1998"  CD  13 = EUROS
G.B.H. =20 "Midnight Madness and Beyond" (+ =AB Oh no, it's GBH again =BB) CD 14=20 EUROS
G.B.H.  "No Need to Panic" (+ =AB Wot a bargain =BB)  = CD 14=20 EUROS
GENOCIDE SS "Another fucking EP" EP 2 EUROS
HARDCORES  = "Eedenin=20 Polttaja" CD  4 EUROS
HARDCORES "Sanansaattajat"  CD 4=20 EUROS
HELLBASTARD "Heading for more darkness" CD 7 = EUROS
HELLKRUSHER=20 "Wasteland" CD  9 EUROS
NEW ROSE  "Everything's OK" = EP  2=20 EUROS
PETER AND THE TEST TUBE BABIES  "Alien Pubduction" = CD  9=20 EUROS
REVOLUTION TIME "Punk as Punk" CD  5 EUROS
THE = RUTS  "The=20 Crack" CD 13 EUROS
SIEKIERA  "Attak"  EP 4 EUROS
TERVEET = K=C4DET  "Onnellisia Kytkent=F6j=E4 1980-2000" CD 13 = EUROS
TERVEET K=C4DET "Sign=20 of the Cross" CD 5 EUROS
TERVEET K=C4DET "Doomed Alien Race" CD 13=20 EUROS
TERVEET K=C4DET "The Ultimate Pain" CD 7 EUROS
TERVEET = K=C4DET =20 "Non Ultra Descriptica" CD 7 EUROS
UK SUBS "Endangered Species" CD 14 = EUROS
UK SUBS "Flood of Lies"  CD 14 EUROS
UK SUBS "The = Revolution's=20 Here" MCD  7 EUROS
VICE SQUAD "Lavender Hill Mob" MCD 6=20 EUROS
WOLFPACK / SKITSYSTEM  Split EP  4,50 = EUROS
WOLFPACK=20 "Lycanthro-Punk"  LP  9 EUROS

V/A "KEEP IT ANGRY"  = -HSA=20 Benefit CD 7 EUROS
Compil Punk Hardcore  r=E9alis=E9e au = b=E9n=E9fice de la Hunt=20 Saboteurs Association (Association britannique d'activistes saboteurs de = la=20 chasse). 20 titres, avec : OI POLLOI, HELLKRUSHER, RIOT/CLONE, ROAD = RAGE,=20 BEERGUT 100, COMBAT SHOCK, AIRBOMB, CONTEMPT, P.U.S., et = RAMPAGE.

V/A=20 "NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS IN 1994" CD  4 EUROS
R=E9alis=E9e par = le label=20 Alternative Action, une compil CD 15 titres
pr=E9sentant un panorama = vari=E9 de=20 la sc=E8ne Punk finlandaise des ann=E9es 90, avec :  TERVEET = K=C4DET, UNBORN SF,=20 GOREDOCTORE, THE BRATS, GND, et HYBRID CHILDREN. Punk Rock/Streetpunk, = Crust, et=20 Punk Hardcore.


2/ GOTHIC, BATCAVE, COLD/DARK WAVE,=20 ELECTRO-INDUSTRIAL, POST-PUNK, etc  :

ABSCESS  "In your = mind"=20 CD 7 EUROS
ABSCESS  "Journey" CD 7 EUROS
ALIEN INDUSTRY = "Legalize it"=20 CD 4 EUROS
ALIEN SEX FIEND "The Best of Alien Sex Fiend" CD 14 = EUROS
ALIEN=20 SEX FIEND "All our yesterdays" CD 14 EUROS
ALIEN SEX FIEND "The = Legendary=20 Batcave Tapes" CD 14 EUROS
ALIEN SEX FIEND "Acid Bath" CD  14=20 EUROS
ALIEN SEX FIEND "Curse" CD 14 EUROS
ALIEN SEX FIEND "Dead = and=20 buried" EP 4 EUROS
ALIEN SEX FIEND "Smells like..." EP 4 = EUROS
ALIEN SEX=20 FIEND "The impossible mission"  EP 4 EUROS
ANGEL SELF DESTRUCT = "The=20 Basement" MCD 5 EUROS
AUSGANG "Last exit.The Best of" CD 7 = EUROS
THE BLACK=20 LEAGUE "Utopia A.D."  2xLP 9 EUROS
BURNING GATES "Aurora = Borealis" CD 7=20 EUROS
CLAN OF XYMOX "Liberty" MCD 8 EUROS
CLAN OF XYMOX = "Consolation" MCD=20 8 EUROS
CORPUS "Syn:drom" CD 7 EUROS
CORPUS DELICTI "Sylphes" CD = 13=20 EUROS 
CORPUS DELICTI "Obsessions" CD 13 EUROS
CRIMSON = GARDEN "The=20 Dark Mother" CD 11 EUROS
DE VERMIS MYSTERIIS "The Philosophy of = Hatred" CD 13=20 EUROS
DEE & DEE "Sechsl" CD 7 EUROS
THE DEEP EYNDE "City = Lights" CD 7=20 EUROS
DINIEGO  "Cielo Sprecato" CD 7 EUROS
DOWNFALL "Meine=20 Selbstzert=F6rung"n CD 13 EUROS
ECODALIA "Time has told" CD 7 = EUROS
THE=20 ETERNAL AFFLICT "(Luminographic) Agony" CD 5 EUROS
THE ETERNAL = AFFLICT=20 "Atroci(-me)ty" CD  9 EUROS
THE ETERNAL AFFLICT "Atroci(-me)ty" = LP =20 7 EUROS
THE ETERNAL AFFLICT "Trauma rouge" CD 13 EUROS
F.P.A.C. = "Campaign"=20 CD  7 EUROS
FORTIFICATION 55 "Anthropology" CD 7 = EUROS
FORTIFICATION=20 55  "Atlantis" CD 7 EUROS
FORTIFICATION 55  "The Worst is = yet to=20 come"  CD 7 EUROS
FORTIFICATION 55  "Yesterday and = Tomorrow" CD 7=20 EUROS
FURVUS "Deflorescens Iam Robur" CD 7 EUROS
HAGALAZ' = RUNEDANCE=20 "Frigga's Web" CD 13 EUROS
IKON "Black Radio" CD  9 = EUROS
IKON=20 "Reality is lost" MCD 5 EUROS
KARCERAL FLESH  "Bienvenue..."=20 10'MLP  12 EUROS
KARCERAL FLESH "Bienvenue..." 10'MLP (Grey = vinyl) 14=20 EUROS
KATHARCO CONSORT "La divina commedia"  CD  5=20 EUROS
KEROVNIAN "From the Depths of Haron" CD 7 EUROS
KILLING = JOKE =20 "Night Time"  CD 12 EUROS
KILLING JOKE "Brighter than a Thousand = Suns"=20 CD 12 EUROS
KILLING JOKE  "Wilful Days" CD 13 EUROS
MADRE DEL = VIZIO  "All around" MCD 5 EUROS
MADRE DEL VIZIO "The Feast of=20 Blood"  MCD  5 EUROS
MARC SEBERG "Le Chant des = Terres"  CD 5=20 EUROS
[MESMERIZE] "LysergS=E4ureDi=E4thylamid" Digi CD 12 = EUROS
MIDNIGHT=20 CONFIGURATION "Spectral Dance" MCD 4 EUROS
MODERN FUNERAL ART = "Gateways of=20 Slumber" MCD 8 EUROS
LA MUERTE "Black God White Devil" CD 7 = EUROS
NEON=20 RAIN  "Nowhere Radicalism" CD-R  12 EUROS
OCTOBER 27th=20 "Self-Exorcism" CD 13 EUROS
ORDO (ROSARIUS) EQUILIBRIO "Make Love, = and War"=20 CD 13 EUROS
PARALYSED AGE "Nocturne" CD 7 EUROS
PASSAGE "Serpents=20 sensuels" MCD-R  4 EUROS
PAZUZU "Awaken the Dragon"  = CD  7=20 EUROS
PRIMA LINEA  "Nitchevo" LP 5 EUROS
PSYCHIC TV  "Do = you=20 want Revenge ?"  2 X CD 9 EUROS
RAISM "The Very Best of Pain" CD = 7=20 EUROS
SIR FORLORN  "First Demos" (Promo tape) K7 2 = EUROS
SKELETAL=20 FAMILY  "Burning oil" CD  14 EUROS
SOPOR AETERNUS  = "Songs from=20 the Inverted Womb" CD 14 EUROS
TEMPLEBEAT  "Black Suburbia" CD 9 = EUROS
UNDEAD PRODUCT "Les enfants de l'Agonie" EP 3 EUROS
VICTOR = SIERRA=20 "Khamsin"  CD  9 EUROS

V/A "ANYONE CAN BE A VIRGIN = PRUNES" CD 7=20 EUROS
Compil de reprises des VIRGIN PRUNES !! 13 groupes=20 Gothic/Darkwave/Coldwave, avec : KISS THE BLADE, ARTICA, DAWN FADES, = TREES,=20 LIMBO, TOMBSTONE,
NEONIRICO, etc



V/A "CYBERFLESH=20 CONSPIRACY"  CD 7 EUROS
16 titres, Dark/Electro-Indus avec = MENTALLO=20 & THE FIXER, SLEEP CHAMBER, VAMPIRE RODENTS, 16 VOLT, PAIN EMISSION, = STABBING WESTWARD,  CHEM LAB., etc

V/A "FLOATING = WAVES"  CD 4=20 EUROS
Compil Gothic/Darkwave, 12 groupes/12 titres, avec : CORPUS = DELICTI,=20 THE ETERNAL AFFLICT, DRONNING MAUD LAND, FORTIFICATION 55, PARALYSED = AGE,=20 GHOSTING, PANIC ON THE TITANIC, HUM PROJIMO, MORTAL CONSTRAINT, DROWN = FOR=20 RESURRECTION, etc

V/A  "GODFLESH TRIBUTE"  2 X = CD-R  8=20 EUROS
Double CD-R compil "Tribute to GODFLESH", jaquette imprim=E9e = couleur=20 qualit=E9 pro. 26 reprises de GODFLESH par : BLUT AUS NORD, KILL THE = THRILL, KHAOS=20 DIVINE, WODEN, DEE N DEE, DIABOLUS EX MACHINA, CTHUWULF, SET IN STONE, = ANTIGAMA,=20 FUCK THE FACTS, THE SKELETONZ, INFECTION CODE, PEDIGREE, ARE YOU GOD,=20 PROPHELATION, CYLENS, BEGOTTEN, etc etc

V/A "THE GOTHIC SOUNDS OF = NIGHTBREED VOL. 1" CD 4 EUROS
Compil Gothic/Darkwave. 7 groupes pour = 14=20 titres, avec MIDNIGHT
CONFIGURATION, SUSPIRIA, EVERY NEW DEAD GHOST, = 13=20 CANDLES, NEKROMANTIK, ATHAMAY, et FAITHFUL DAWN.

V/A "THE GOTHIC = SOUNDS=20 OF NIGHTBREED VOL. 2" CD 4 EUROS
Avec: GOTHIC SEX, ATTRITION, = MALAISE, GARDEN=20 OF DELIGHT, CORPUS DELICTI, SUSPIRIA, TWO WITCHES, EVERY NEW DEAD GHOST, = ATHAMAY, 13 CANDLES, FAITHFUL
DAWN, et MIDNIGHT=20 CONFIGURATION.

V/A  "HEAD YOUR MIND  (A Dreamtime = Sampler)"=20 CD  9 EUROS
Compil Electro-Indus 12 titres, avec HYBRYDS, = MINISTER OF=20 NOISE, SHIP OF FOOLS, KONG, SONIC VIOLENCE, G.G.F.H., DRUG FREE AMERICA, = et=20 TEKTON MOTOR
CORP.


V/A "INTIMATIONS OF IMMORTALITY VOL 1" = CD 4=20 EUROS
Gothic/Dark/Cold Wave d'Italie, avec ATARAXIA, ARTICA, EXU, = DAWN FADES,=20 HOLYLORE, THE OTHER VOICES, UNDER THE ROSE, FEAR OF THE STORM, =20 WASTELAND,
MIND DROP, etc


V/A "KNIGHTS OF ABYSS" CD 4=20 EUROS
Avec THE MOON LAY HIDDEN BENEATH A CLOUD, COLLECTION D' ARNELL = ANDREA,=20 LEITMOTIV, ALLERSEELEN, JACK OR JIVE, AUTOPSIA, HYBRYDS, = etc


V/A "THE=20 NEW FACE OF APOLLYON"  CD  4 EUROS
Gothic/Dark/Cold Wave, = 16=20 titres/8 groupes, avec ATARAXIA, ENGELSSTAUB, MADRE DEL VIZIO, IKON, = (CRIES OF)=20 TAMMUZ, THE LAST DANCE,  DEEP EYNDE, et JERUSALEM = SYNDROME.


V/A=20 "SCHLECHT UND IRONISCH - LAIBACH TRIBUT" CD 5 EUROS
Compil " Tribute = to=20 LAIBACH ".  Industrial/Electro/Dark Ambient/Dark Folk. Avec KIRLIAN = CAMERA,=20 NORTHGATE, RUNES ORDER, PRAGER HANDGRIFF, DIE LARM, CHAOS/ORDER, = MANIPULATION,=20 DISCORDANCE, KNIFELADDER, ANGELS AND AGONY, BLENHEIM, etc


V/A = "TAKE=20 OFF MUSIC VOL.1"  CD 7 EUROS
Gothic/Indus/Dark/Cold Wave, 10 = groupes/14=20 titres, avec ANGINA PECTORIS, LOST IMAGE, PP?, PSYCHIC FORCE, = OVERGAMENT, AGE OF=20 HEAVEN, FROM LAUGHTER TO TEARS, etc


V/A "THUGS 'N' KISSES" CD = 7=20 EUROS
Compil Electro-Indus, 16 groupes/16 titres, avec PENAL COLONY, = SKREW,=20 HATE DEPT, 16 VOLT, DEATH INDUSTRY, APPARATUS, VAMPIRE RODENTS, SMP, = ACUMEN,=20 COLLA DESTRA, CHEMLAB, CLAY PEOPLE, PAIN EMISSION, TINFED, SOCIETY = BURNING, et=20 KILLING FLOOR.


V/A "TOTAL DEVOTION" CD 7 = EUROS
Dark/Electro-Indus=20 crossover, 10 titres, avec SCHNITT ACHT, REVOLTING COCKS, SKREW, = PIGFACE,=20 SUGARSMACK, CHEMLAB, EVIL MOTHERS, LAB REPORT, et DEEP = THROAT.


V/A=20 "WHAT SWEET MUSIC THEY MAKE VOL. 2" CD 6 EUROS
Second volume de la = c=E9l=E8bre=20 compil Gothic/Dark de "Thee Vampire Guild", 17 groupes/17 titres, avec : = PARALYSED AGE, INTO THE ABYSS, LONDON AFTER MIDNIGHT, THE HOUSE OF = USHER, CORPUS=20 DELICTI, TWO WITCHES, INKUBUS SUKKUBUS, MIDNIGHT CONFIGURATION, = GHOSTING, ALL=20 LIVING FEAR, FAITHFUL DAWN, THE MARIONETTES, MORTICIA, STONE 588, ASTRO = VAMPS,=20 VLAD JANICEK (EX-NOSFERATU), et WITCHING HOUR. Import de Grande=20 Bretagne.


V/A "WIRED INJECTIONS"  CD 7=20 EUROS
Dark/Electro/Indus/Gothic, 16 titres, avec SPAHN RANCH, ROSETTA = STONE,=20 CHRISTIAN DEATH, THE ELECTRIC HELLFIRE CLUB, DIE KRUPPS, DOWNLOAD, = KLUTE,=20 PSYCHIC TV, SWITCHBLADE SYMPHONY, THE WAKE, KILL SWITCH.KLICK, RAZED IN = BLACK,=20 BIRMINGHAM 6, SYNAESTHESIA, PIGMY CHILDREN, et NOISE BOX. Bo=EEtier avec = image=20 "3-D" anim=E9e.

3/ DARK/BLACK METAL, GOTHIC METAL, THRASH, = etc =20 :

AES DANA  "La Chasse Sauvage" CD  13 = EUROS
AETERNUS =20 "Burning the Shroud"  CD 7 EUROS
AKHENATON  "Divine=20 Symphonies"  CD  9 EUROS
ANAON  "The Soul's = Tribe" =20 MCD-R  5 EUROS
ANCIENT  "Det Glemte Riket" LP 9=20 EUROS
ANCIENT  "Det Glemte Riket" CD 13 EUROS
ANCIENT =20 "Svartalvheim"  CD 13 EUROS
ANCIENT RITES  "Dim Carcosa" LP = 9=20 EUROS
AND OCEANS / BLOODTHORN War Vol. I  CD 5=20 EUROS
ANTECHRISTUS  "Lands of ancestral Battles" MCD-R 4,50=20 EUROS
ANTECHRISTUS  "Profonde Aversion"  MCD-R  4,50=20 EUROS
ARCKAN OBSCURA "The blessed virgin's whoregasm" MCD 7 = EUROS
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ATROPOS "...La Fileuse de Mort..." K7 5 = EUROS
AURA=20 NOIR  "Deep tracts of hell"  CD 5 EUROS
AUTUMN VERSES  = "Tunes=20 of disconsolation" CD 5 EUROS
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ELBERETH = "...And=20 other Reasons" CD 7 EUROS
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IUVENES   "Riddle of=20 Steel"  CD  13 EUROS
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MOON  =20 "Daemon's heart"  CD  5 EUROS
MORDOR "Csejthe" CD 13=20 euros
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NIGHTSKY BEQUEST  "Uncounted = Stars,=20 unfounded Dreamlands"  MCD  4 = EUROS
NOCTURN    =20 "Shades of Insanity" EP  2 EUROS
NOCTURNAL FEARS   = "Trax of=20 ninety nine"  MCD 6 EUROS
OPERA IX    "The black=20 opera"  CD  7 EUROS
OPHTHALAMIA  "A journey in = darkness" =20 CD  5 EUROS
PENETRATOR   "Now..." 1er Maxi 1990 =20 12'   2 EUROS
PRIMORDIAL  "Imrama"  CD  13=20 EUROS
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PRIMORDIAL  "Spirit the Earth Aflame"  CD  13=20 EUROS
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PRIMORDIAL   "Storm before Calm"  CD  13=20 EUROS
PRIMORDIAL    "Storm Before Calm"  LP  = 10=20 EUROS
RITUAL  "The Summoning"  CD  5=20 EUROS
ROSSOMAHAAR   "Imperium Tenebrarum"   = CD  5=20 EUROS
R.U. DEAD ?    "Nothing will be forgiven" =20 MCD  4 EUROS
RUDRA  S/t "Rudra"  CD  5 = EUROS
THE=20 SECOND MOON   "The Second Moon" MCD 3 = EUROS
STONEHENGE  =20 "Scum Brigade"  CD  5 EUROS
SUFFER   "On Sour=20 Ground"  EP  2 EUROS
THY GRIEF   "The frozen tomb = of=20 mankind"  CD  5 EUROS
TUMULUS    = "Wodureid" =20 MCD  7 EUROS
VERMETH     "Your = ruins"  =20 CD  7 EUROS
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WITCHES     "3.4.1"  CD  4=20 EUROS



V/A  "GODFLESH TRIBUTE"  2 X CD-R  7 = EUROS
Double CD-R compil "Tribute to GODFLESH", jaquette imprim=E9e = couleur=20 qualit=E9 pro. 26 reprises de GODFLESH par : BLUT AUS NORD, KILL THE = THRILL, KHAOS=20 DIVINE, WODEN, DEE N DEE, DIABOLUS EX MACHINA, CTHUWULF, SET IN STONE, = ANTIGAMA,=20 FUCK THE FACTS, THE SKELETONZ, INFECTION CODE, PEDIGREE, ARE YOU GOD,=20 PROPHELATION, CYLENS, BEGOTTEN, etc etc


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avec MARDUK, ANGEL CORPSE, MESSE = NOIR,=20 EXCITER, DISFEAR, GEHENNAH, INFERN=D6, SWORDMASTER, IMPERIAL, = DELLAMORTE, RAISM,=20 BEWITCHED, LUCIFER, etc
------=_NextPart_000_023C_01C3C68E.A54FC530-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 19 23:56:41 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bo Krogsgaard) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:56:41 +0100 Subject: [kj] [OT] - other Friday fun In-Reply-To: <20031219211758.82944.qmail@web80512.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <3FE39E49.29458.10C6F175@localhost> On 19 Dec 2003 at 13:17, Jiri wrote: > I know one of you Friday-fun regulars passed on a > Trojan Games link a few months ago, but I hadn't seen > this one yet. Damn, they're well done! Think it was me, and you are right, they deserve a rerun :> b From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 00:41:44 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Cliff and Kara Livingston) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:41:44 -0900 Subject: [kj] Chat Em Up Message-ID: <018501c3c692$0f5d3f40$998a70d1@antifrz> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0182_01C3C646.9B096380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.killing-joke.com/chat ------=_NextPart_000_0182_01C3C646.9B096380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
http://www.killing-joke.com/cha= t
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0182_01C3C646.9B096380-- From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 00:54:19 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:54:19 -0600 Subject: [kj] Chat Em Up In-Reply-To: <018501c3c692$0f5d3f40$998a70d1@antifrz> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154704860_11587038 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Actually Cliff...we may be givin ya a call later...are your digits still the same???? Tough FUCKED up day... On 12/19/03 6:41 PM, "Cliff and Kara Livingston" wrote: > http://www.killing-joke.com/chat > > > > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154704860_11587038 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] Chat Em Up Actually Cliff...we may= be givin ya a call later...are your digits still the same????

Tough FUCKED up day...

On 12/19/03 6:41 PM, "Cliff and Kara Livingston" <antifrz@alas= ka.net> wrote:

http://www.killin= g-joke.com/chat
 <= BR>  
 



KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place = like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3154704860_11587038-- From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 00:54:17 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:54:17 EST Subject: [kj] Chat Em Up Message-ID: <154.2a3378cd.2d14f7b9@aol.com> --part1_154.2a3378cd.2d14f7b9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I really must be dumber than 2 buckets of shit...I have no clue how to chat after reading the FAQ it still baffles me wee brain! --part1_154.2a3378cd.2d14f7b9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I really must be dumber than 2 buck= ets of shit...I have no clue how to chat after reading the FAQ it still baff= les me wee brain!

 --part1_154.2a3378cd.2d14f7b9_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 01:02:24 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Cliff and Kara Livingston) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:02:24 -0900 Subject: [kj] Chat Em Up References: <154.2a3378cd.2d14f7b9@aol.com> Message-ID: <019701c3c696$0660b120$998a70d1@antifrz> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_018D_01C3C649.7E225F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Flume , Use a different browser than aol's...the chatroom has a conflict with = the aol browser....try netscape,or internet exploder.Cheers,Cliff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: FlumeDC@aol.com=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [kj] Chat Em Up I really must be dumber than 2 buckets of shit...I have no clue how to = chat after reading the FAQ it still baffles me wee brain! ------=_NextPart_000_018D_01C3C649.7E225F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Flume ,
Use a different browser than = aol's...the chatroom=20 has a conflict with the aol browser....try netscape,or internet=20 exploder.Cheers,Cliff
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 FlumeDC@aol.com=20
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 = 3:54=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Chat Em = Up

I really must be dumber than 2 = buckets of=20 shit...I have no clue how to chat after reading the FAQ it still = baffles me=20 wee brain!

 ------=_NextPart_000_018D_01C3C649.7E225F80-- From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 03:35:04 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Thomas Kennedy) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:35:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT: Goth In-Reply-To: <20031219220856.87298.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031220033504.6236.qmail@web80401.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1132342179-1071891304=:6042 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >I have a lot of friends who vacillated between> Industrial> and Goth back in the day. > Some of us still do! >~Aleph yeah, it's not Goth, it's Deathrock! Tom. : ) Djehuti111 wrote:--- Amy Moseley Rupp wrote: > I have a lot of friends who vacillated between > Industrial > and Goth back in the day. Some of us still do! ~Aleph ===== "The scene was wild and somewhat sinister. The darkness, the palms, the mountainous background, the silent lake below, the impenetrable canopy of space, studded with secretive and significant stars, formed a stupendous setting for the savage noise and blaze of the ceremony." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering --0-1132342179-1071891304=:6042 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii 

 >I have a lot of friends who vacillated between
> Industrial
> and Goth back in the day.

> Some of us still do!
 
>~Aleph

yeah, it's not Goth, it's Deathrock!
Tom.  : )
 


Djehuti111 <djehuti111@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- Amy Moseley Rupp wrote:
> I have a lot of friends who vacillated between
> Industrial
> and Goth back in the day.

Some of us still do!

~Aleph


=====
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darkness, the palms, the mountainous background, the
silent lake below, the impenetrable canopy of space,
studded with secretive and significant stars, formed a
stupendous setting for the savage noise and blaze of
the ceremony."

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--0-1132342179-1071891304=:6042-- From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 04:01:16 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (culture.virus) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:01:16 -0800 Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? In-Reply-To: <200312191622.hBJGMFtu019781@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.co m> References: <200312191622.hBJGMFtu019781@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031219194413.02a6d0f0@127.0.0.1> Alex, do you not see your own hypocrisy? You and many others on the Gathering have blasted Peter for his statements about the "sword of Islam" and then you turn around and paint all Xian musician's art as moot simply because of their religious beliefs? Bruce Cockburn is a Xian is his body of work moot? What about Dylan? What about any number of classical composers? And what about reggae? Is it all moot because of their religious beliefs? After all a great deal of reggae is overtly religious in it's lyrical content. Does Cat Stevens automatically suck because of his allegiance to Allah? Do Live automatically suck because of the Buddhist slant? When are you and the other members of this list going to see that you're as prejudiced and hateful as the people you condemn? BTW I'm no fan of Evanescence either. At 08:22 AM 12/19/03, Alex wrote: >...if we are, my only observations are: >1. They're Christians, which renders their music instantly moot, as far as >I'm concerned. >2. Despite her much touted operatic background, I don't hear a lot of >range in her shrill mewling. >3. If their name is Evanescence, why won't they hurry up and vanish already? > >There's more to "Goth/Gothic/Goff" than wearing black, by the way. > >Alex in NYC I am culturevirus From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 04:05:10 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Frenchy Frenzy) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 05:05:10 +0100 Subject: [KJ] Poll 03 Message-ID: <000001c3c6ae$7936f5c0$1400000a@Nathalie> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C3C6B6.DAFB5DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1) Your Name: St=E9phane 2) Your Age: 34 in 1 month 3) Are you married and have you any children? Yes and 2 Clara & Paul 4) I live here: Lyon France specialised in food & wine 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: approx 2000 6) What do you want for X-mas? Beautiful smiles on my kids faces 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? Driving to Geneva & Paris and flying twice to London to see 5 times the Joke. 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? Good health for my family & friends and the official DVD from the Astoria ( where you should see me at the end of the show shaking hands of Jaz & Raven ;o) another tour with a date in Lyon & the permission to film it with 2 or 3 cameras ( of course with my fav.TV sherpas Team : GONE TV) 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: KJ 2003 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? War at the Warfield SLAYER and all the Mik Raven=92s VCDs 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? KJ (unforgettable), Ministry (small audience but great classics played ) 12) Worst music you heard all year: Star Academy ( a kind of pop idol ) 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of BumperDumper, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music) 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: Pixies, Stranglers 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: see 17 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: every KJ=92s albums + edition of a complete collection of rare = recordings & unrealeased tracks in a signed box including a double DVD with unseen live performances 17) Most overrated music of the year: most are played on MTV 18) Most underrated music of the year: KJ 2003 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: Slayer ( not the band only the music=85) Stranglers ( with Cornwell ) AC/DC, Serge Gainsbourg 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet : unofficial sites will always be better than the official one because of the die hard fan spirit and uninterest for money 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: being invited to a =93ceremony=94 and a new = tour with new releases ( why not like Pearl Jam an official recording from each gig ? 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction=20 It started at Camden (thank to Rob Moss=92 photos pass ) with the backstage meeting and was followed with memorable moments during rehearsals / gigs / backstage at each others gigs with the unique permission to film everything ( thank to Paul Raven and all the All Access Areas passes he offered me : that was Christmas everyday !!!! ) 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? An =93unclassical=94 masterpiece of work from Sir = Coles 25) Favorite track on the new album: TDRS especially live 26) Least favorite track on the new album: Dark Forces 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: Implant 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? No 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? Butch Vig to record amongst others a new version of Come as you are ;o) 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: FRENZY 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? 3 Tshirts 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? A DVD from the early years 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: another Oil companies muppet 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? Me yes, but I=92m not sure for the Trial Court keeper =85. 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: look at the picture : very close to Bush just below Satan 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Neverending stories 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance?=20 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? Saoudi Arabia 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? Meeting customers who informed me of this surreal situation, reading the whole night the =93live =93impressions from Alex in NYC 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: to stop playing at the game of =93Worldwide Policeman=94 42) Tony Blair is an English muppet 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument:=20 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? ::::END:::: ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C3C6B6.DAFB5DC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

1)      Your Name: = St=E9phane

2) Your Age: 34 in 1 month

3) Are you married and have you any children? Yes and 2 Clara = & Paul

4) I live here: Lyon France specialised in food = & wine

5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: approx = 2000

6) What do you want for X-mas? Beautiful smiles on my kids = faces

7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? Driving to = Geneva = & Paris = and flying twice to London to see 5 times = the Joke.

8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? Good health for my family = & friends and the official DVD from the Astoria ( where you should see me = at the end of the show shaking hands of Jaz & Raven ;o) another tour with a = date in Lyon & the permission to film it with 2 or 3 cameras ( of course = with my fav.TV sherpas Team : GONE TV)

9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: = KJ = 2003

10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five = favorite releases of the year? War at the Warfield SLAYER and all the = Mik = Raven’s = VCDs

11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? = KJ (unforgettable), Ministry (small audience but great classics played = )

12) Worst music you heard all year: Star Academy<= font size=3D4> = ( a kind of pop idol )

13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of = BumperDumper, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer = need not be restricted to music)

14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: = Pixies, Stranglers

15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: = see = 17

16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: = every KJ’s albums + edition of a complete collection of rare recordings & = unrealeased tracks in a signed box including a double DVD with unseen live = performances

17) Most overrated music of the year: most are played on = MTV

18) Most underrated music of the year: KJ = 2003

19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: = Slayer ( not the band only the music…) Stranglers ( with Cornwell ) AC/DC, = Serge Gainsbourg

20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet : = unofficial sites will always be better than the official one because of the die = hard fan spirit and uninterest for money

22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like = the following to happen: being invited to a “ceremony” = and=A0 a new tour with new releases ( why not like Pearl = Jam an official recording from each gig ?

23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain = your reaction

It started at Camden = (thank to Rob Moss’ photos pass ) with the backstage meeting and was = followed with memorable moments during rehearsals / gigs / backstage at each others = gigs with the unique permission to film everything ( thank to Paul Raven and all = the All Access Areas passes he offered me : that was Christmas everyday !!!! = )


24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the = red Krusty Clown? An “unclassical” masterpiece of work from = Sir Coles

25) Favorite track on the new album: TDRS especially live

26) Least favorite track on the new album: Dark = Forces

27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have = been: = Implant

28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? = Your thoughts? No

29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next = Killing Joke record? Butch Vig to record amongst others a new version of = Come as you are ;o)

30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: = FRENZY

31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE = FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? 3 Tshirts

32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable = site?=A0 A DVD from the early years

33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White = House: another Oil companies muppet

34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? = Me yes, but I’m not sure for the Trial Court=A0 keeper = ….

35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way:

36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: look at the picture : very close to = Bush just below Satan

37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the = homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Neverending stories

38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance?

39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? = Saoudi = Arabia

40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? Meeting = customers who informed me of this surreal situation, reading the whole night the = “live “impressions from Alex in NYC

41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would = be: to stop playing at the game of “Worldwide = Policeman”

42) Tony Blair is an English muppet

43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American = Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction:

44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why = you feel this way. Support your argument:

45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation = better off: Bush's or Clinton's?

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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C3C6B6.DAFB5DC0-- From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 04:42:00 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 23:42:00 EST Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? Message-ID: <7d.434df4f8.2d152d18@aol.com> Okay, here we go.... "Alex, do you not see your own hypocrisy?" No, but I *DO* see a big middle finger pointed right at YOU! "You and many others on the Gathering have blasted Peter for his statements about the 'sword of Islam' and then you turn around and paint all Xian musician's art as moot simply because of their religious beliefs?" You may notice, I wrote: "1. They're Christians, which renders their music instantly moot, as far as I'm concerned." There is a *HUGE* difference between decrying an entire faith as zombified zealots sworn to the abject destruction of all non-believers and expressing the opinion that "Christian Rock" sucks so bad that it's not even worth discussing...once again, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. Peter was talking about warfare, I was discussing entertainment. Does expressing my disdain for Evanescence's music mean that I think all Christians are the enemy? No, but it means I think their weak -ass attempts at rock suck giant bag of greasy dicks. "Bruce Cockburn is a Xian is his body of work moot?" I've never been a fan "What about Dylan?" I've *NEVER* been a fan of Bob Dylan *What about any number of classical composers?" That's not Rock. "And what about reggae?" That's not Christian, and technically, that's not rock either. "Is it all moot because of their religious beliefs?" I never said that. My point was that Christian Rock sucks...a statement I'll stand behind. "After all a great deal of reggae is overtly religious in it's lyrical content." True, but that's reggae. "Does Cat Stevens automatically suck because of his allegiance to Allah?" Did I ever suggest as much? "Do Live automatically suck because of the Buddhist slant?" No, they automatically suck BECAUSE THEY'RE LIVE!!!!! " When are you and the other members of this list going to see that you're as prejudiced and hateful as the people you condemn?" Number one, I'm not PRE-JUDGING Evanescence. I've had the TREMENDOUS MISFORTUNE of hearing their music....thus, my judgement of them is based on the evidence, not on preconceptions. Moreover, after fourteen years of Catholic education, I feel no qualms about speaking out about a faith I was raised within. " BTW I'm no fan of Evanescence either." How nice for you. Alex in NYC reply to home e-mail: vassifer@earthlink.net From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 05:21:41 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:21:41 EST Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? Message-ID: <11a.2c7f8405.2d153665@aol.com> -------------------------------1071897701 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the reference to Christian music was specifically to Christian rock, the bible-thumping purist kind that has as its only goal the conversion of everyone to Christianity. Their listeners often listen to no other music, for fear of being sinners. By the way, religious reggae music is usually Rastifarian, which is a different religion that Christianity (although it has aspect of it, as well as Judaism). I don't think it's prejudiced to criticize a type of music that is only bent on converting people, and tends to have listeners that are intolerant of others (such as gays and atheists). -------------------------------1071897701 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think the reference to Christian music was specifically to Christian=20= rock, the bible-thumping purist kind that has as its only goal the conversio= n of everyone to Christianity. Their listeners often listen to no other musi= c, for fear of being sinners. By the way, religious reggae music is usually=20= Rastifarian, which is a different religion that Christianity (although it ha= s aspect of it, as well as Judaism). I don't think it's prejudiced to critic= ize a type of music that is only bent on converting people, and tends to hav= e listeners that are intolerant of others (such as gays and atheists).
= -------------------------------1071897701-- From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 06:01:43 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Christian Cliff) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:01:43 -0800 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: <200312181816.hBIIGwOf006595@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C3C67B.B05BD030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _____ From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of Alex Smith Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:17 AM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Alright. As threatened, herewith THE GATHERING YEAR-END POLL FOR 2003. Most of you know how this works, but being that there are a lot of newbies around these days, simply Cut'n Paste the following questionaire part of this message into a new message and answer the questions as they apply to you, and then send them to the Gathering (gathering@misera.net). This is not a scientific nor deadly serious poll, so feel free to waive any questions that you find too invasive, but by the same token -- don't be a big pussy, answer the questions. It's only 45 questions, and most of them are short, one or two word answers, so keep thy whining to thyself. 1) Your Name: Christian Cliff 2) Your Age: 34 3) Are you married and have you any children? Divorced, 17 month old daughter with girlfriend 4) I live here: Seattle, WA from London UK originally 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: No idea, 8 - 12 months maybe? 6) What do you want for X-mas? To see my daughter smile! 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? Hmm, none really although I blew lots of cash when I went home to London in November.. 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? That my car lasts another year 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: For myself: Volcano Suns - "things of beauty"; which is excellent. The last CD I actually bought was Johnny Cash - "American IV" for my girlfriend. No idea how that one is. 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? It was either a sad year for music or I'm getting old and farty - probably the latter. The only CD I think I got that was released this year, was Throwing Muses S/T which was pretty great.. 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Only show I caught this year was when the Throwing Muses came through, they weren't the greatest live band I have seen. 12) Worst music you heard all year: Caught Busted on the TV in London, shocking! 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of Dixie chicks, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music) 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: Pixies 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: Radiohead, the Strokes, Madonna, Sex Pistols et al. 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: K/J - Firedances 17) Most overrated music of the year: All the crap like Britney Spears and Avril Levine that the Media tries to push onto the youth of today. 18) Most underrated music of the year: Killing Joke 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: The Ruts, Pixies, Clash, Poison idea, Kristin Hersh I could go on forever! 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet Getting better... 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: Don't listen to rumors 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction No, they played Seattle two days after I hit London would you fucking believe it! 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? Iron Maiden's "Eddie" 25) Favorite track on the new album: Asteroid 26) Least favorite track on the new album: Dark forces 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? Nope 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? Puff daddy 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Unspeakable 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? The dollar to get better against the pound (long wait!!!) 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? Geordie wig and Jaz action figure with swiveling eyes. 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: Spongebob Squarepants 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? Didn't feel unsafe in the first place. 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: Form a band and have him as our Singer. 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: On the Jerry Springer show 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Maybe, although we are far from seeing terrorism in the name of the US/UK end. 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? There's nothing you can do about it anyway so why worry? 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? No idea 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? At home playing "Anarchy Online". 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: Join the Illuminati 42) Tony Blair is a: _________. Twat 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: Not be surprised one bit 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: I think he comes across as an idiot but he could just lack the ability to speak in public coherently. I hope he's not as stupid as he comes across, lets put it that way. 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? As they say, if voting changed anything, they'd outlaw it. ::::END:::: ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C3C67B.B05BD030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03

 

 

From: = gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of Alex Smith
Sent: Thursday, December = 18, 2003 10:17 AM
To: = gathering@misera.net
Subject: [kj] YEAR END = POLL FOR `03

 



Alright. As threatened, herewith THE GATHERING YEAR-END POLL FOR 2003. Most of you know how this = works, but being that there are a lot of newbies around these days, simply = Cut'n Paste the following questionaire part of this message into a new message and = answer the questions as they apply to you, and then send them to the Gathering  (gathering@misera.net). This is not a scientific nor deadly = serious poll, so feel free to waive any questions that you find too invasive, but by = the same token -- don't be a big pussy, answer the questions.  It's only 45 questions, and most of them are short, one or two word answers, so keep = thy whining to thyself.


1) Your Name:

Christian = Cliff    


2) Your Age:

 

34


3) Are you married and have you any children?

 

 Divorced, 17 month old = daughter with girlfriend

4) I live here:

 

Seattle, WA from London UK  originally


5) I've been a member of the Gathering since:

 

No idea, 8 – 12 months maybe? =


6) What do you want for X-mas?

 

To see my daughter = smile!


7) Your biggest extravagance of the year?

 

Hmm, none really although I blew = lots of cash when I went home to London in November….


8) Your biggest hopes for 2004?

 

That my car lasts another = year


9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?:

 

For myself: Volcano Suns – = “things of beauty”; which is excellent. The last CD I actually bought was = Johnny Cash – “American IV” for my girlfriend. No idea how that = one is.


10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five = favorite releases of the year?

 

It was either a sad year for music = or I’m getting old and farty – probably the latter. The only CD I think I = got that was released this year, was Throwing Muses S/T which was pretty = great……


11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate?

 

Only show I caught this year was = when the Throwing Muses came through, they weren’t the greatest live band I = have seen.


12) Worst music you heard all year:

 

Caught Busted on the TV in = London, = shocking!


13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of = Dixie chicks, I lose = all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to = music)

14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new = material:

 

Pixies


15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day:

 

Radiohead, the Strokes, Madonna, = Sex Pistols et al.


16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe = stylee:

 

K/J – = Firedances


17) Most overrated music of the year:

 

All the crap like Britney Spears = and Avril Levine that the Media tries to push onto the youth of = today.


18) Most underrated music of the year:

 

Killing = Joke


19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are:

 

The Ruts, Pixies,  Clash, = Poison idea, Kristin Hersh I could go on forever!


20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet

 

Getting = better…..


22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like = the following to happen:

 

Don’t listen to = rumors


23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain = your reaction

 

No, they played Seattle two days after I hit London would you fucking believe it!


24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the = red Krusty Clown?

 

Iron Maiden’s = “Eddie”


25) Favorite track on the new album:

 

Asteroid

26) Least favorite track on the new album:

 

Dark = forces


27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have = been:

28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? = Your thoughts?

 

Nope


29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next = Killing Joke record?

 

Puff = daddy

 

30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today:

 

Unspeakable=


31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE = FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR?

 

The dollar to get better against = the pound (long wait!!!)


32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable = site?

 

Geordie wig and Jaz action figure = with swiveling eyes.


33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White = House:

 

Spongebob = Squarepants


34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been = apprehended?

 

Didn’t feel unsafe in the = first place.


35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way:

 

Form a band and have him as our = Singer.


36) Where is Osama Bin Laden:

 

On the Jerry Springer = show


37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the = homefront (US/UK/EUR)?

 

Maybe, although we are far from = seeing terrorism in the name of the US/UK end.


38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance?

 

There’s nothing you can do = about it anyway so why worry?


39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001?

 

No = idea


40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day?

 

At home playing “Anarchy = Online”.


41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would = be:

 

Join the = Illuminati


42) Tony Blair is a: _________.

 

Twat


43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American = Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction:

 

Not be surprised one = bit


44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why = you feel this way. Support your argument:

 

I think he comes across as an idiot = but he could just lack the ability to speak in public coherently. I hope = he’s not as stupid as he comes across, lets put it that = way.


45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation = better off: Bush's or Clinton's?

 

As they say, if voting changed = anything, they’d outlaw it.



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------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C3C67B.B05BD030-- From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 09:29:38 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 03:29:38 -0600 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C3C6A9.7F9093E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `036) What do you want for X-mas? To see my daughter smile! That was prolly the coolest answer I have seen thus far on any of the questions. Joe in TexASS Ne Plus Ultra, Occisio Locatio The Web Master, Jester www.killing-joke.com ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C3C6A9.7F9093E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [kj] YEAR END = POLL FOR `03

6) What do you want for X-mas?

 

To see my = daughter=20 smile!


That was = prolly the=20 coolest answer I have seen thus far on any of the = questions.

 

Joe in TexASS

 

 

Ne Plus = Ultra,
Occisio Locatio

The Web=20 Master,
Jester
www.killing-joke.com  

------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C3C6A9.7F9093E0-- From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 10:20:21 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Leigh Newton) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 02:20:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031220102021.89425.qmail@web10412.mail.yahoo.com> > Tragically still, I am convinced that the great > minds and artists die way > before their time, and the crap is left behind to > further proliferate the > idea that this is indeed hell on earth. Luckily, most high profile pop/rock stuff these days is engineered and manufactured to be disposable. so we end up not having to put up with them for TOO too long, even though when one's 15 minutes is up, another's begins. plus, bands like evanesence and the like can make minutes feel like houuuuuurs..... Leigh --- Jester wrote: > On 12/19/03 10:22 AM, "Alex Smith" > wrote: > > > ...if we are, my only observations are: > > 1. They're Christians, which renders their music > instantly moot, as far as I'm > > concerned. > > An angle in ones vision, like this, typically and > tragically lessens the > validity of the music. Not all the time, but as a > rule, a bias such as > "Christian Rock" tends to reduce itself to nothing > more than watered down, > Christian version of 80's hair bands. Rather than > "She's Only 17", we now > will hear "She is a Christian Queen". > > > 2. Despite her much touted operatic background, I > don't hear a lot of range in > > her shrill mewling. > > Her? Opera? Hahahaha...you have GOT to be kidding > me. Range...my dog has > more range grunting when he shits! > > > 3. If their name is Evanescence, why won't they > hurry up and vanish already? > > Tragically still, I am convinced that the great > minds and artists die way > before their time, and the crap is left behind to > further proliferate the > idea that this is indeed hell on earth. > > Examples? John Belushi (SP?) dead...his lame ass > brother Jim...alive. George > Harrison and John Lennon...dead...Ringo and > Paul...alive. Jimmi > Hendrix..dead. Eddie VanHalen...alive. Stevie Ray > Vaughn...dead...every last > member of every boy band still lingers on. We are > doomed! > > > > > There's more to "Goth/Gothic/Goff" than wearing > black, by the way. > > Reminds me of what I use to tell my wife. "Punk is a > state of mind, not how > many clothes you buy at Hot Topic". Todd can prolly > vouch for this one on a > mutual friend. Andy Fuertsch is one of the biggest > punks around. Yet he > looks like the Gerber baby. Yes, I have seen the > Gerber baby flick lit > cigarettes at the crowd in Austin, and get himself > and the rest of Texas God > banned from clubs....it is indeed, a state of mind. > > > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! > OCCISIO LOCATIO > > THE WEBMASTER, > JESTER > WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM > WWW.PARALLAX1.COM > > There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > > "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we > have for Windows or > Gates?" > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ===== http://www.daiquiri.tvheaven.com http://www.tweek.tvheaven.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 11:25:39 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Leigh Newton) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 03:25:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? In-Reply-To: <7d.434df4f8.2d152d18@aol.com> Message-ID: <20031220112539.93784.qmail@web10410.mail.yahoo.com> I'm sorry, but if you use the band Live as an arguing point, it just nullifies everything you've said and everything you've yet to say. Leigh --- MotelHell@aol.com wrote: > > Okay, here we go.... > > "Alex, do you not see your own hypocrisy?" > > No, but I *DO* see a big middle finger pointed right > at YOU! > > "You and many others on the Gathering have blasted > Peter for his statements > about the 'sword of Islam' and then you turn around > and paint all Xian > musician's art as moot simply > because of their religious beliefs?" > > You may notice, I wrote: "1. They're Christians, > which renders their music > instantly moot, as far as I'm concerned." There is a > *HUGE* difference between > decrying an entire faith as zombified zealots sworn > to the abject destruction > of all non-believers and expressing the opinion that > "Christian Rock" sucks so > bad that it's not even worth discussing...once > again, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. > Peter was talking about warfare, I was discussing > entertainment. Does > expressing my disdain for Evanescence's music mean > that I think all Christians are > the enemy? No, but it means I think their weak -ass > attempts at rock suck giant > bag of greasy dicks. > > "Bruce Cockburn is a Xian is his body of work moot?" > > I've never been a fan > > "What about Dylan?" > > I've *NEVER* been a fan of Bob Dylan > > *What about any number of classical composers?" > > That's not Rock. > > "And what about reggae?" > > That's not Christian, and technically, that's not > rock either. > > "Is it all moot because of their religious beliefs?" > > I never said that. My point was that Christian Rock > sucks...a statement I'll > stand behind. > > "After all a great deal of reggae is overtly > religious in it's lyrical > content." > > True, but that's reggae. > > "Does Cat Stevens automatically suck because of his > allegiance to Allah?" > > Did I ever suggest as much? > > "Do Live automatically suck because of the Buddhist > slant?" > > No, they automatically suck BECAUSE THEY'RE > LIVE!!!!! > > " When are you and the other members of this list > going to see that you're as > prejudiced and hateful as the people you condemn?" > > Number one, I'm not PRE-JUDGING Evanescence. I've > had the TREMENDOUS > MISFORTUNE of hearing their music....thus, my > judgement of them is based on the > evidence, not on preconceptions. Moreover, after > fourteen years of Catholic > education, I feel no qualms about speaking out about > a faith I was raised within. > > " BTW I'm no fan of Evanescence either." > > How nice for you. > > Alex in NYC > reply to home e-mail: vassifer@earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ===== http://www.daiquiri.tvheaven.com http://www.tweek.tvheaven.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 12:01:29 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (The Exorcist) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 07:01:29 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? In-Reply-To: <20031220112539.93784.qmail@web10410.mail.yahoo.com> References: <7d.434df4f8.2d152d18@aol.com> <20031220112539.93784.qmail@web10410.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20031220065922.01e80ee8@mail.speakeasy.net> *PFFFFFFFFFFFFT* I Think "Live" is a pretty good band. And Their lesser known albums have some real gems on them. Sincerely, The Anti Anti! End Of Story! At 06:25 AM 12/20/2003, you wrote: >I'm sorry, but if you use the band Live as an arguing >point, it just nullifies everything you've said and >everything you've yet to say. > >Leigh From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 12:42:55 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:42:55 +0000 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1071924175.3fe443cfbd1ef@www.boltblue.com> [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `031) Your Name: Darrin 2) Your Age: 37 3) Are you married and have you any children? - Yes, no 4) I live here: - Warrington, Cheshire 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: - Before 2001 6) What do you want for X-mas? - Nothing. Well perhaps some book/CD tokens :) 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? - Trip to New York last week 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? - As little work as possible 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: - That one with the cross-eyed bonny opera singer/goth woman. It's OK. 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? None. Other than the odd thing I see on TV and download I tend to stick to classical music. If I like something, I'm one of those people who then buys the CD, though try telling that to the RIAA. The gozzy/opera singer/goth woman fronted CD is a good example. 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Saw a friend's band doing soul music. They were actually really good, but I've had enough of live music for this year. Who's gonna top KJ anyway? 12) Worst music you heard all year: The godamned Darkness. I completely fail to see any good in this band. I don't even think "they're cool 'cos they don't take it seriously". To me they are the most pathetic dross I've ever heard and I'm ashamed to say that the UK produced them (they did didn't they?). Everytime I head the lead singer's warbling voice and even worse, see his "aren't I having fun?" expression, I have to either switch off the medium or leave the room or both! 17) Most overrated music of the year: You guessed it: Darkness. WTF is even going on? Why does anyone pretend to like them? Is this all some huge elaborate joke or conspiracy to make me feel bad? I just cannot believe that anyone would see any musical value in the huge bag of stinking turds (thank you Viz) which is their discography. 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: Siouxsie & the Banshees Dead Can Dance Slayer Clash The The 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet Excellent. There's some great sites out there and I really appreciate the fact that I can access so much relevant info on one of my favourite bands. People on this very list are of course to be thanked for this so thanks OK? 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: A new album, always a new album, and associated tour of course. 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction Three times. Met several Gathering members all of whom were very nice people. Got to meet the band for the first time. Always impressed with what a gent Raven is. 25) Favorite track on the new album: Death and Resurrection Show 26) Least favorite track on the new album: Inferno. KJ filler I'm afraid. 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: Death and Resurrection Show, but I know that it would not necessarily be the correct commercial decision but I think it'd be worth it just to hear such a sound on TOTP or similar. 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? Uh? I have no idea what that is. 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Dark Forces (of course) 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? I wanted the clock but I think they're all long gone :( 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? I guess a t-shirt I'd like to wear. I'd like a repro of some of the old tour shirts that I cannot wear anymore due to condition or shrinkage (that's my excuse anyway) I'd love a replacement Empire Song t-shirt and perhaps the Extremeties long-sleeved shirt. 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: Arnie. The President is obviously just a figure-head anyway so it doesn't really matter. At least Arnie's speaktification of the language is better than Bush. 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? Yes. I was worried he'd turn up at my Xmas party. 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: With big spiky gloves... 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: I've seen him playing Counter-Strike many times, and his ping is so low he must be in the UK. 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? LOL, of course not. If it weren't religion they'd use as an excuse or hatred of Western democracy or decadence, it'd be something else. It's all about people on power trips and human ego. 99% of humanity are bastards. 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? No. 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? No. 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? At work. It was shocking and I still remember the feeling that the World had changed in just a few hours. I also knew that as a result, thousands more would die... 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: Replace all family TVs with pianos. TV sucks anyway. 42) Tony Blair is a: _________. patronising liar with delusions of grandeur. 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: I liked Ronnie so why not? It should be up to the American public. 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: True. No need to support my argument other than suggesting using google. ::::END:::: -------------------------------------------------------------- Sent with "Me-Mail", Boltblue's FREE mobile messaging service. http://www.boltblue.com From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 13:31:39 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:31:39 -0000 Subject: [kj] Poll changes Message-ID: <000f01c3c6fd$99fce860$5048ff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3C6FD.991A77A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Acually,For Christmas,I would like a spade and Tape recorder, a spade to = dig a hole and bury my head,And the tape recorder which says,on a loop tony blairs wrong,george bush is wrong,War is wrong ,terrorism is = wrong,Societys wrong,Americas wrong,All politicians are corrupt. Then i = can be a free thinking individual,Who er dresses and thinks like = everyone else. Who needs a Yang when Two yings will do. ps As im sure you can see, being popular is not a priority. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3C6FD.991A77A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Acually,For Christmas,I would like a spade and Tape = recorder,=20 a spade to dig a hole and bury my head,And the tape recorder which = says,on a=20 loop
 tony blairs wrong,george bush is wrong,War is = wrong=20 ,terrorism is wrong,Societys wrong,Americas wrong,All politicians are = corrupt.=20 Then i can be a free thinking individual,Who er dresses and thinks like = everyone=20 else.
  Who needs a Yang when Two yings will = do.
  ps
   As im sure you can see,  being = popular is=20 not a priority.
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3C6FD.991A77A0-- From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 15:11:42 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (ade) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:11:42 -0000 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Message-ID: <007601c3c70b$93e60980$0200a8c0@thelab.local> 1) Your Name: ade 2) Your Age: 31 3) Are you married and have you any children? Not married (is 13 years 'in sin' a record?), 1 daughter & another due 8th Jan.. 4) I live here: Not far from Birmingham, UK. 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: Since I found it - 2001. 6) What do you want for X-mas? Not too concerned... ;) 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? The cost of hiding Saddam Hussein. Booking tickets for RE~TG. 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? The same as every year probably. To not go postal again. 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: March Violets "The Botanic Verses". Haven't listened to it yet though- hoping the tunes I liked are still good! 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? Jane's Addiction "Strays", King Crimson "The Power to Believe"... 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? KJ - Yes they did ;) Doors2000 - Yes they did & I only went to look after the mrs! 12) Worst music you heard all year: The Darkness (particularly the vocals), Evanescence (also the vocals!) 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: Led Zeppelin, original Belly line-up (they were good live). 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: 17) Most overrated music of the year: The Darkness (heard it all before, but obviously better). 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: This is a really difficult one: King Crimson, TG, Beastie Boys, Slayer, Kate Bush, The Chameleons (yes, another fan)... but these change all the time. 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet: Not enough! 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: More QUALITY musical output, a Led Zeppelin-esque style DVD package, more gigs & an officially sanctioned history of KJ book, live recordings including Extremities material, I could go on... 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction: Very happy :) Loved seeing "Fall of" & that era of Joke. Want to see them do Extremities material though - won't be satisfied 'til they do. 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? A quality Colesy cover. 25) Favorite track on the new album: This is difficult, but Seeing Red is amongst them :) 26) Least favorite track on the new album: "Lanterns of Hope"? Er, no, I mean "You'll never get to me"! 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: Maybe "Seeing Red" with some PROPER promotion! 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? No :( 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? KJ, TG, Robert Fripp, Kate Bush. 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: MINOG "Really?" 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? No :( Waiting for xmas to be over & then maybe a few t-shirts... 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? Can't think! Bit a stoned. 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: NOT Bush. 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? Obviously not. 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: Lock the cunt up for life (I mean 'til he dies). No need to drop to his level. 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Holidaying in Blackpool. 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Not at all. 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? Best thing to say is that I'll deal with it as & when. No use getting too paranoid. 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? I doubt it. 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? At work. 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: Work hard at the Israel/Palestine issues. 42) Tony Blair is a: Lying Cunt. 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: Why, was Rooselvelt a fucking joke too? 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: Yes - the world is not as simplistic as he believes - nothing is simply black & white, 1 or 0. Well, he thinks it is & that 'putting the boot in' fixes everything. Dangerous in the long-term. 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? Clinton. I'm expecting abuse. ade. From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 15:36:07 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:36:07 -0500 Subject: [kj] ot - new ant music Message-ID: <3FE42617.22283.406B32@localhost> news regarding new stuff from adam ant : "Adam also hopes to record and release a new album tentatively entitled 'Fist in the Skull' in 2004. Many songs have already been written, although not recorded. This may be released on his new record label or via larger distribution, which would be determined closer to the date." From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 16:49:44 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jiri) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 08:49:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] Re: [OT-OT-OT] Poll changes In-Reply-To: <000f01c3c6fd$99fce860$5048ff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: <20031220164944.49319.qmail@web80510.mail.yahoo.com> Jesus fucking Christ!! Give it a rest! >>[PW]tony blairs wrong,george bush is wrong,War is >>wrong,terrorism is wrong,Societys wrong,Americas >>wrong,All politicians are corrupt. Then i can be a >>free thinking individual,Who er dresses and thinks >>like everyone else. In what world is this the opinion of everyone else?? Not even on this list, yet at least others with differences of opinion are a little better at explaining them...and less dismissive of those who disagree. >>[PW] As im sure you can see, being popular is not a >>priority. What the fuck?! Is this some rehash "I'm legit punk/I'm legit 'alternative'" argument? Do you really think it's necessary here? Do you really think a KILLING JOKE list is filled with people who want to be popular??? Do you think you'll get a medal for not wanting to be popular?? Peter, you made a simple, sweeping statement that indicted -- and implied the needed destruction of -- a huge swath of the Earth's population, then said very little (initially, and with any coherency) to explain your view, then insulted others who justifiably challenged your statement (or simply asked you to explain it), all while claiming you were above insulting others/using "petty" names. So good for you, you don't want to be popular, have a cookie. You've shared your views, and people have disagreed. Now stop the martyr act and move the fuck on to a new topic. -Grumpy Jiri --- "peter.west410" wrote: > Acually,For Christmas,I would like a spade and Tape > recorder, a spade to dig a hole and bury my head,And > the tape recorder which says,on a loop > tony blairs wrong,george bush is wrong,War is wrong > ,terrorism is wrong,Societys wrong,Americas > wrong,All politicians are corrupt. Then i can be a > free thinking individual,Who er dresses and thinks > like everyone else. > Who needs a Yang when Two yings will do. > ps > As im sure you can see, being popular is not a > priority. > From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 17:44:51 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (death wish) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 17:44:51 +0000 Subject: [kj] [OT-begging, with an offer of KJ stuff] RE: The Office Christmas Special(s) Message-ID: Right, I can't get enough of this brilliant BBC show and I just saw the final episode (206) yesterday. Incredible. I understand BBC are broadcasting a two-part Xmas special on the 26th and 27th of Dec. What I need is this: someone to help me see it. If anyone has the ability to capture it and burn a vcd or upload a file I can grab, I'll shower you with KJ-related gifts. I'm in Toronto, so a videotape wouldn't work. Thanks, Trevor _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 19:19:21 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 14:19:21 EST Subject: [kj] Pole Message-ID: <78.4d046048.2d15fab9@aol.com> -------------------------------1071947961 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en 1) Your Name: Adam AgniDeva Helfer 2) Your Age: 33 3) Are you married and have you any children?=20 Seperated 4) I live here: Silver Spring, Maryland- 10 mins from Washington DC 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since:=20 99 6) What do you want for X-mas? Tennessee Titans to win the Superbowl 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? Pretty uneventful 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? Have some big business plans.. 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: Johnny Cash=E2=80=99s latest- have heard it before but was in line and it w= as near=20 the register so it was an impulse buy. One of those you just need for the=20 collection-=20 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five=20 favorite releases of the year? Have not been so up on the scene this year. Cant really say 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Killing Joke 2x- thought that I have seen them much better =E2=80=93 a C m= inus Hot Tuna- Jorma Kaukonen- they added a mandolin player which was nice but=20 kind of watered it down a bit- Ive seen them much better also 12) Worst music you heard all year: I guess some bad R and B 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I= =20 lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restrict= ed=20 to music) Bare Naked Ladies probably would do it for me=E2=80=A6. 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: PIL, Laibach (if they are broken up- I don=E2=80=99t know) Rites of Spring (DC)- I think Guy would still have it in him 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: Probably some of these hardcore bands- Cro Mags, Shelter ect- my friends=20 bands which im sure they would kill me if they knew I said that.=20 =20 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: Extremities 17) Most overrated music of the year: Coldplay 18) Most underrated music of the year: KJ 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: Just popping some off my head- Red house painters, smiths, PIL- those stand=20 out everything out gets a bit jumbled.=20 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet- nice but could be more 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the=20 following to happen: Tour again and spice the stage show up a bit and with better sound.=20 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain you= r=20 reaction I was let down. Maybe my expectations were too high ( I was basing it on=20 past times I saw them). I did catch them when Jaz was sick though, so I keep= that=20 in mind. Was still good to see them, of course.=20 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red=20 Krusty Clown? Some sort of yantra or occult symbol.=20 25) Favorite track on the new album:=20 Blood on your hands-=20 26) Least favorite track on the new album: Dark Forces 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: Seeing Red or DARS 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? Have Not 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing= =20 Joke record? Not Sure 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Dark Forces and Total Invasion 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUC= K=20 ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Im not really into any of those prints as a shirt.=20 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White Hous= e: Dennis Kucinich =E2=80=93 of those who are running- Bhakti Tirtha Swami if I= had a=20 choice.=20 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? Not really 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: I don=E2=80=99t even know-=20 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Chillin=E2=80=99 Somewhere 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefron= t=20 (US/UK/EUR)? Doubt it- I think the big one is still yet to come. I hope I am wrong though 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? If its =E2=80=9Cthe big one=E2=80=9D I don=E2=80=99t think there is much you= can do 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11,=20 2001? Probably not-=20 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? Trying to work- was going to have coffee with a friend but everything starte= d=20 closing- then had to go rush and pick up my friends daughters as their=20 school was very close to some DC military buildings that could have been pot= ential=20 targets 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: Close all the slaughterhouses=E2=80=A6. 42) Tony Blair is a: _________. Probably just a pawn or using his post to further the agenda of one of the=20 secret societies he belongs to.=20 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime=20 with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: Don=E2=80=99t care 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you=20 feel this way. Support your argument: From what I hear he=E2=80=99s just a pawn and does what his daddy and the o= ther=20 Skulls tell him- for that I guess you could say he=E2=80=99s an idiot. This=20= from a=20 freemason friend of mine invovled in DC and virginia politics and works on=20= certain=20 projects directly with Bush 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation=20 better off: Bush's or Clinton's? Pass on that one=E2=80=A6 -------------------------------1071947961 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en


1) Your Name:
=     Adam AgniDeva Helfer
2) Your A= ge: 33

3) Are you married and have you any children?=

  Seperated

4) I live here:

  Silver Spring, Maryland- 10 mins from Washington DC

5) I've been a member of the Gathering since:

 = 99
6) What do you want for X-mas?

 = Tennessee Titans to win the Superbowl

7) Your biggest extrav= agance of the year?

Pretty uneventful
8) Your biggest h= opes for 2004?

Have some big business plans..

= 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?:

 = Johnny Cash=E2=80=99s latest- have heard it before but was in line and it wa= s near the register so it was an impulse buy. One of those you just need for= the collection-

10) Not including the new Killing Joke alb= um, what were your top five favorite releases of the year?

 = Have not been so up on the scene this year. Cant really say

= 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate?

  Killing Joke 2x- thought that I have seen them much better =E2=80=93 a C mi= nus

Hot Tuna- Jorma Kaukonen- they added a mandolin= player which was nice but kind of watered it down a bit- Ive seen them much= better also

12) Worst music you heard all year:

 = I guess some bad R and B

13) If I find out that the person I= 'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I lose all interest in talking to th= em (note: your answer need not be restricted to music)

 = Bare Naked Ladies probably would do it for me=E2=80=A6.

14)=20= Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material:

 = PIL, Laibach (if they are broken up- I don=E2=80=99t know)

Rites of Spring (DC)- I think Guy would still h= ave it in him

15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and=20= calling it a day:

Probably some of these hardcore bands- Cro Mags= , Shelter ect- my friends bands which im sure they would kill me if they kne= w I said that.

 



16) Al= bums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee:

 = Extremities

17) Most overrated music of the year:

 = Coldplay


18) Most underrated music of the year:

 = KJ
19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists=20= are:

Just popping some off my head- Red house painte= rs, smiths, PIL- those stand out everything out gets a bit jumbled.=

20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet-<= /P>

 nice but could be more

22= ) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the fo= llowing to happen:

 = Tour again and spice the stage show up a bit and with better sound.=

23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly ex= plain your reaction

 = I was let down. Maybe my expectations were too high ( I was basing it on pas= t times I saw them). I did catch them when Jaz was sick though, so I keep th= at in mind. Was still good to see them, of course.

24) What= would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Cl= own?

 = Some sort of yantra or occult symbol.

25) Favorite track on= the new album:

 = Blood on your hands-

26) Least favorite track on the new al= bum:

Dark Forces

27) Were it up to y= ou to have chosen the first single, it would have been:

Seeing Red or DARS

28) Have you= managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts?

Have Not

29) Outside of Andy Gi= ll, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record?

Not Sure

30) Killing Joke track= that best sums up the world today:

Dark Forces and Total Invasion

= 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUC= K ARE YOU WAITING FOR?
Im not really into any of those prints as=20= a shirt.


32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike=20= Coles estimable site?



33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to s= ee this man in the White House:

Dennis Kucinich =E2=80=93 of those who are runn= ing- Bhakti Tirtha Swami if I had a choice.

34) Do you feel= 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended?

Not really

35) Now that he's in= custody, I would handle Saddam this way:

 = I don=E2=80=99t even know-

36) Where is Osama Bin Laden:

Chillin=E2=80=99 Somewhere

37)=20= Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (U= S/UK/EUR)?

Doubt it- I think the big one is still yet to c= ome. I hope I am wrong though

38) Do you feel prepared for a= nother such instance?

If its =E2=80=9Cthe big one=E2=80=9D I don=E2= =80=99t think there is much you can do

39) Do you think Iraq= had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001?

 = Probably not-

40) Where were you/what were you doing on tha= t day?

Trying to work- was going to have coffee with a= friend but everything started closing-  then had to go rush and&n= bsp;pick up my friends daughters as their school was very close to some DC m= ilitary buildings that could have been potential targets

41)= Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be:

Close all the slaughterhouses=E2=80=A6.

42) Tony Blair is a: _________.

Probably just a pawn or using his post to furth= er the agenda of one of the secret societies he belongs to.
43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime= with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction:

 = Don=E2=80=99t care

44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or F= alse. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument:

 = >From what I hear he=E2=80=99s just a pawn and does what his daddy and the ot= her Skulls tell him- for that I guess you could say he=E2=80=99s an idi= ot. This from a freemason friend of mine invovled in DC  and virginia p= olitics and works on certain projects directly with Bush

45)= Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better= off: Bush's or Clinton's?

<= SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> Pass on that one=E2=80=A6 -------------------------------1071947961-- From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 19:53:55 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (culture.virus) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:53:55 -0800 Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? In-Reply-To: <7d.434df4f8.2d152d18@aol.com> References: <7d.434df4f8.2d152d18@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031220104228.02a6aa70@127.0.0.1> At 08:42 PM 12/19/03, Alex wrote: >Okay, here we go.... > >"Alex, do you not see your own hypocrisy?" > >No, but I *DO* see a big middle finger pointed right at YOU! I thought you might not. >"You and many others on the Gathering have blasted Peter for his statements >about the 'sword of Islam' and then you turn around and paint all Xian >musician's art as moot simply >because of their religious beliefs?" > >You may notice, I wrote: "1. They're Christians, which renders their music >instantly moot, as far as I'm concerned." There is a *HUGE* difference >between >decrying an entire faith as zombified zealots sworn to the abject destruction >of all non-believers and expressing the opinion that "Christian Rock" >sucks so >bad that it's not even worth discussing...once again, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. I agree that there is BIG difference of scale. Nor was I implying that you have decried Xians as a whole. That being said you have made a prejudicial statement when you say "They're Christians, which renders their music instantly moot, as far as I'm concerned." You have prejudged all endeavors at music by Xians to be of such a nature as to "suck a giant bag of greasy dicks." > Peter was talking about warfare, I was discussing entertainment. Does >expressing my disdain for Evanescence's music mean that I think all >Christians are >the enemy? No, but it means I think their weak -ass attempts at rock suck >giant >bag of greasy dicks. > >"Bruce Cockburn is a Xian is his body of work moot?" > >I've never been a fan Nor am I a "fan" but it's obvious that his work in the singer/songwriter subgenre of rock is of very high stature. >"What about Dylan?" > >I've *NEVER* been a fan of Bob Dylan Maybe, but that doesn't undermine the "fact" that his work is legendary. Not to mention the fact that his Xian era works were probably among the most musically complex of his entire career. >*What about any number of classical composers?" > >That's not Rock. > >"And what about reggae?" > >That's not Christian, and technically, that's not rock either. AFAIC all modern music owes a good deal of it's roots to the blues and therefore rock as well. Reggae is a post rock and roll genre. >"Is it all moot because of their religious beliefs?" > >I never said that. My point was that Christian Rock sucks...a statement I'll >stand behind. So is it only Xian attempts at pop/rock that are automatically bereft of musical value? You don't even have to hear it, it just automatically sucks. Do you ever stop and wonder why right leaning people in the US accuse the left leaning of being elitist? >"After all a great deal of reggae is overtly religious in it's lyrical >content." > >True, but that's reggae. > >"Does Cat Stevens automatically suck because of his allegiance to Allah?" > >Did I ever suggest as much? So is it only Xian attempts at pop/rock that are automatically bereft of musical value? >"Do Live automatically suck because of the Buddhist slant?" > >No, they automatically suck BECAUSE THEY'RE LIVE!!!!! So is it only Xian attempts at pop/rock that are automatically bereft of musical value? >" When are you and the other members of this list going to see that you're as >prejudiced and hateful as the people you condemn?" > >Number one, I'm not PRE-JUDGING Evanescence. I've had the TREMENDOUS >MISFORTUNE of hearing their music....thus, my judgement of them is based >on the >evidence, not on preconceptions. No you're not prejudging Evanescence, you're prejudging all acknowledged Xian Rock as sucking. In fact if I stripped your statement out of it's original context you stated that any music by a Xian is moot. You don't see that as being prejudicial? So as I tried to say before the list, you included, were slagging Peter for the trait of prejudice, a trait most of us see as a negative. IMO you are protraying the trait of prejudice in your stance because you don't automatically despise the output of people who are of other faiths, only Xians. Therefore by displaying prejudice, and since it would appear you view prejudice as a negative trait, you are in fact hypocritical. Now most people, yourself included, might say that this is a minor issue, we're only talking about entertainment. But anyone observing this list from the outside would see that we hold popular music in high esteem. We value it not only for it's artisitic qualities but for it's potential to impact popular thinking and change society as we know it. So to automatically write off an individual artists output solely because of their faith is to not only limit your own listening choices, but it says something about how you view Xians as a whole if you are so willing to write off their artistic endeavors in a media that you hold in very high esteem. >Moreover, after fourteen years of Catholic >education, I feel no qualms about speaking out about a faith I was raised >within. And after another 20 years you haven't matured enough to stop thumbing your nose at a strawman? You should really be discussing this with your parents and possibly a professional counselor. You're obviously horribly scarred. >" BTW I'm no fan of Evanescence either." > >How nice for you. > >Alex in NYC >reply to home e-mail: vassifer@earthlink.net I am culturevirus From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 20:09:15 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bo Krogsgaard) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:09:15 +0100 Subject: [kj] Pole / Laibach In-Reply-To: <78.4d046048.2d15fab9@aol.com> Message-ID: <3FE4BA7B.21142.4258B41@localhost> On 20 Dec 2003 at 14:19, Devacor@aol.com wrote: > 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: > Laibach (if they are broken up- I don=E2=80=99t know) They just toured Europe and there is a relatively new album out called WAT= (We Are Time), no more cheesy guitar but apart from a couple of tracks it sounds like rea= lly crappy hardfloor tekkno. b From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 20:18:05 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (culture.virus) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:18:05 -0800 Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? In-Reply-To: <11a.2c7f8405.2d153665@aol.com> References: <11a.2c7f8405.2d153665@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031220115554.02a6cae0@127.0.0.1> That may be Greg, but that's not what was said. The statement was that the music was by Xians and therefore moot. Evanescence's music is not of the bible-thumping/converting variety. In fact their label pulled their records from the shelves of Xian bookstores because they are something of an anathema to that particular part of the Xian subculture. And as a former evangelical Xian myself I'm well aware of the subculture and it's thought patterns. I also know that there are hundreds of bands in that genre who just want to make the best music they can while not betraying firmly held religious beliefs. Their music may reflect their beliefs, but they don't have conversion as their primary focus. I also want to reiterate what I was saying before, if it's only music by Xian's that is automatically bad, that is a prejudical statement. I've never heard this list tolerate prejudice in any form and for any off color remarks. Recently in the whole Peter West fiasco somebody used the term "ragheads" to describe Islamic people and was roundly chastised. Two days ago bluceree (and others in the past) called Xians "god-botherers" and not an eyebrow raised. It's really sad and laughable at the same. The one thing that won't be tolerated is intolerance. Isn't that what you said? At 09:21 PM 12/19/03, you wrote: >I think the reference to Christian music was specifically to Christian >rock, the bible-thumping purist kind that has as its only goal the >conversion of everyone to Christianity. Their listeners often listen to no >other music, for fear of being sinners. By the way, religious reggae music >is usually Rastifarian, which is a different religion that Christianity >(although it has aspect of it, as well as Judaism). I don't think it's >prejudiced to criticize a type of music that is only bent on converting >people, and tends to have listeners that are intolerant of others (such as >gays and atheists). I am culturevirus From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 20:19:37 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (culture.virus) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:19:37 -0800 Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? In-Reply-To: <20031220112539.93784.qmail@web10410.mail.yahoo.com> References: <7d.434df4f8.2d152d18@aol.com> <20031220112539.93784.qmail@web10410.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031220121839.02a745e0@127.0.0.1> Sorry Leigh, it was just the first band with a Buddhist voice that came to mind. If I use the Beastie Boys will I get any respect? :^) At 03:25 AM 12/20/03, you wrote: >I'm sorry, but if you use the band Live as an arguing >point, it just nullifies everything you've said and >everything you've yet to say. > >Leigh I am culturevirus From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 20:17:22 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Christof hamille) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:17:22 -0500 Subject: [kj] Jane's year end poll & a wee addition of my own Message-ID: Agreed. i would MUCH rather see the Darkness clogging the popular airwaves than 99.99% of the stuff there now. Chris >From: typhonian@netzero.com >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] Jane's year end poll & a wee addition of my own >Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:01:15 GMT > > > > 17) Most overrated music of the year: The Darkness would be too easy a > target, at least they are getting up there and succeeding as a British >rock > band doing their own music. I'm afraid the willingness of the British >public to > lap up the pop idol / boy/girl band mindless, bland, pointless pop cover > versions will always piss me off a lot more. > >Absolutely agreed, and I took a lot of stick for sticking up for The >Darkness. At least they are breaking the mo(u)ld. > >I've gotta speak up here and say that I thoroughly enjoyed "Permission to >Land." They are different than a lot of the nu-metal clogging the >airwaves, and I have to give them points for that. > >William, >who thought Evanescence was intriguing for a hot minute.... >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ Worried about inbox overload? Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 20:19:17 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bo Krogsgaard) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:19:17 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: Xian music In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031220104228.02a6aa70@127.0.0.1> References: <7d.434df4f8.2d152d18@aol.com> Message-ID: <3FE4BCD5.2317.42EB996@localhost> On 20 Dec 2003 at 11:53, culture.virus wrote: > I agree that there is BIG difference of scale. Nor was I implying that you > have decried Xians as a whole. That being said you have made a prejudicial > statement when you say "They're Christians, which renders their music > instantly moot, as far as I'm concerned." You have prejudged all endeavors > at music by Xians to be of such a nature as to "suck a giant bag of greasy > dicks." Chuck Schuldiner from Death turned Christian before he wrote their last two albums. Gene Hoglan from Death / Strapping Young Lad / whatever else is as far as i know very Christian too. I cannot remember having heard any crap music from either (yeah well, Punchdrunk sucked, but they only got Hoglan in to make a name for themselves). On the other hand, Stryper (sorry cannot stop laughing), the number one Christian metal band of all times, suddenly turned away from religion. Has anybody actually HEARD these guys the past eight years? Thought now .. I cannot stand those bands who make white and fluffy "i have been reborn by God's will" kinda Christian music, but apart from those, i cannot see how you can judge musical quality by religion. Who cares about Evanescence anyway .. get a fucking grip, i thought people had taste around here .. b From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 20:21:46 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 20:21:46 -0000 Subject: [kj] Re: [OT-OT-OT] Poll changes References: <20031220164944.49319.qmail@web80510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001e01c3c736$f8d584d0$3c48ff3e@yourby3nr533ht> My mouth is openwide ,you can put as many words in there as you like, ( Hey jester ,Ive cued you up for a joke) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jiri" To: Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 4:49 PM Subject: [kj] Re: [OT-OT-OT] Poll changes > Jesus fucking Christ!! Give it a rest! > > >>[PW]tony blairs wrong,george bush is wrong,War is > >>wrong,terrorism is wrong,Societys wrong,Americas > >>wrong,All politicians are corrupt. Then i can be a > >>free thinking individual,Who er dresses and thinks > >>like everyone else. > > In what world is this the opinion of everyone else?? > Not even on this list, yet at least others with > differences of opinion are a little better at > explaining them...and less dismissive of those who > disagree. > > >>[PW] As im sure you can see, being popular is not a > >>priority. > > What the fuck?! Is this some rehash "I'm legit > punk/I'm legit 'alternative'" argument? Do you really > think it's necessary here? Do you really think a > KILLING JOKE list is filled with people who want to be > popular??? Do you think you'll get a medal for not > wanting to be popular?? > > Peter, you made a simple, sweeping statement that > indicted -- and implied the needed destruction of -- a > huge swath of the Earth's population, then said very > little (initially, and with any coherency) to explain > your view, then insulted others who justifiably > challenged your statement (or simply asked you to > explain it), all while claiming you were above > insulting others/using "petty" names. > > So good for you, you don't want to be popular, have a > cookie. You've shared your views, and people have > disagreed. Now stop the martyr act and move the fuck > on to a new topic. > > -Grumpy Jiri > > --- "peter.west410" > wrote: > > Acually,For Christmas,I would like a spade and Tape > > recorder, a spade to dig a hole and bury my head,And > > the tape recorder which says,on a loop > > tony blairs wrong,george bush is wrong,War is wrong > > ,terrorism is wrong,Societys wrong,Americas > > wrong,All politicians are corrupt. Then i can be a > > free thinking individual,Who er dresses and thinks > > like everyone else. > > Who needs a Yang when Two yings will do. > > ps > > As im sure you can see, being popular is not a > > priority. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 20:26:34 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bo Krogsgaard) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:26:34 +0100 Subject: [kj] Re: [OT-OT-OT] Poll changes In-Reply-To: <001e01c3c736$f8d584d0$3c48ff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: <3FE4BE8A.24974.43567A0@localhost> On 20 Dec 2003 at 20:21, peter.west410 wrote: > My mouth is openwide ,you can put as many words in there as you like, > ( Hey jester ,Ive cued you up for a joke) Watch out, he would. b From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 21:06:15 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Stephen Robinson) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:06:15 +0000 Subject: [kj] OT: Goth In-Reply-To: <200312192200.hBJM05gS012804@basil.jkm.net> References: <200312192200.hBJM05gS012804@basil.jkm.net> Message-ID: <3FE4B9C7.8080000@robinsonworld.freeserve.co.uk> Amy Moseley Rupp wrote: >>So, given what passes for "goth" and what passes for >>"punk" among today's kids, in 10-20 years the meaning >>of those words will be as diluted as the meaning of >>"freedom" is today. >> >> > >Actually I was watching ITV (UK) news the other night >and it said the government had released a report that >says this generation of British teens is the first >to be likely to NOT outlive their parents due to >being overweight, underexercised, drinking, drugging, >and having sex with zillions of partners before they >hit 16. And beyond. > >It was actually based on sound evidence such as rates >of different illnesses, amounts of drug use and drinking, >etc. > >The kind of crap we have now produced *here* is kids who believe >that they are truly above all rules not because they are *kids*, >but because they personally are better than anyone else on the >planet and deserve to have everything in life handed to them >for free forever and not do a lick of work or show a thimbleful >of kindness to their fellow human beings. > >In trying to explain some of this to my daughter, she sighed >wistfully and said, wouldn't it be nice if everyone had zillions >of dollars and didn't have to work? and I said, well, if >that were true, those zillions would be useless, cos who would >make stuff to buy? who'd work in restaurants? in other words, >how the hell would anyone *enjoy* a zillion dollars if no one >worked?! > >I think the answer kids are thinking of now is "old people (anyone >over 25) and poor people will work and we'll spend all the money." >Just wait until *they're* old (over 25) and poor. > > > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 21:18:09 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Stephen Robinson) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:18:09 +0000 Subject: [kj] OT: Goth In-Reply-To: <3FE4B9C7.8080000@robinsonworld.freeserve.co.uk> References: <200312192200.hBJM05gS012804@basil.jkm.net> <3FE4B9C7.8080000@robinsonworld.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <3FE4BC91.8050908@robinsonworld.freeserve.co.uk> Stephen Robinson wrote: Hang on, what happened there? I don't think I've worked out this new e-mail program! > Amy Moseley Rupp wrote: > >>> So, given what passes for "goth" and what passes for >>> "punk" among today's kids, in 10-20 years the meaning >>> of those words will be as diluted as the meaning of >>> "freedom" is today. >>> >> >> >> Actually I was watching ITV (UK) news the other night >> and it said the government had released a report that >> says this generation of British teens is the first >> to be likely to NOT outlive their parents due to >> being overweight, underexercised, drinking, drugging, >> and having sex with zillions of partners before they >> hit 16. And beyond. >> >> It was actually based on sound evidence such as rates >> of different illnesses, amounts of drug use and drinking, >> etc. >> >> The kind of crap we have now produced *here* is kids who believe >> that they are truly above all rules not because they are *kids*, >> but because they personally are better than anyone else on the >> planet and deserve to have everything in life handed to them >> for free forever and not do a lick of work or show a thimbleful >> of kindness to their fellow human beings. >> >> In trying to explain some of this to my daughter, she sighed >> wistfully and said, wouldn't it be nice if everyone had zillions >> of dollars and didn't have to work? and I said, well, if >> that were true, those zillions would be useless, cos who would >> make stuff to buy? who'd work in restaurants? in other words, >> how the hell would anyone *enjoy* a zillion dollars if no one >> worked?! >> >> I think the answer kids are thinking of now is "old people (anyone >> over 25) and poor people will work and we'll spend all the money." >> Just wait until *they're* old (over 25) and poor. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gathering mailing list >> Gathering@misera.net >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 21:22:49 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 16:22:49 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: Gothabilly In-Reply-To: <3FE4B9C7.8080000@robinsonworld.freeserve.co.uk> References: <200312192200.hBJM05gS012804@basil.jkm.net> Message-ID: <3FE47759.7432.17DE332@localhost> goth is mutating all over the map, check out www.gothabilly.net just way to many shiftless retards listening to music From: Stephen Robinson To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Goth Send reply to: gathering@misera.net Date sent: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:06:15 +0000 > Amy Moseley Rupp wrote: > > >>So, given what passes for "goth" and what passes for > >>"punk" among today's kids, in 10-20 years the meaning > >>of those words will be as diluted as the meaning of > >>"freedom" is today. > >> > >> > > > >Actually I was watching ITV (UK) news the other night > >and it said the government had released a report that > >says this generation of British teens is the first > >to be likely to NOT outlive their parents due to > >being overweight, underexercised, drinking, drugging, > >and having sex with zillions of partners before they > >hit 16. And beyond. > > > >It was actually based on sound evidence such as rates > >of different illnesses, amounts of drug use and drinking, > >etc. > > > >The kind of crap we have now produced *here* is kids who believe > >that they are truly above all rules not because they are *kids*, > >but because they personally are better than anyone else on the > >planet and deserve to have everything in life handed to them > >for free forever and not do a lick of work or show a thimbleful > >of kindness to their fellow human beings. > > > >In trying to explain some of this to my daughter, she sighed > >wistfully and said, wouldn't it be nice if everyone had zillions > >of dollars and didn't have to work? and I said, well, if > >that were true, those zillions would be useless, cos who would > >make stuff to buy? who'd work in restaurants? in other words, > >how the hell would anyone *enjoy* a zillion dollars if no one > >worked?! > > > >I think the answer kids are thinking of now is "old people (anyone > >over 25) and poor people will work and we'll spend all the money." > >Just wait until *they're* old (over 25) and poor. > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Gathering mailing list > >Gathering@misera.net > >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 22:15:30 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (culture.virus) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 14:15:30 -0800 Subject: [kj] OT: Gothabilly In-Reply-To: <3FE47759.7432.17DE332@localhost> References: <200312192200.hBJM05gS012804@basil.jkm.net> <3FE47759.7432.17DE332@localhost> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031220141118.029bb440@127.0.0.1> I like a lot of gothabilly and psychobilly. The scene doesn't take itself too seriously. To me it's like the next generation of the funny punk scene (or whatever you call the Dickies Weirdos, etc). At 01:22 PM 12/20/03, you wrote: >goth is mutating all over the map, check out www.gothabilly.net > > >just way to many shiftless retards listening to music > I am culturevirus From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 22:33:28 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alexander Smith) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 17:33:28 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: Culture Virus In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031220104228.02a6aa70@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <8847B003-333C-11D8-8531-000A95E608B4@earthlink.net> --Apple-Mail-2--836871979 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed :::sigh::: Cripes, when did you become such a hateful little creep? Or is this just some sort've wind-up? In any event, here's my bottom line on the issue: I may fundamentally disagree with Peter West on a variety of issues, but he's still as entitled to his opinions as I am of mine. I'd also like to re-emphasize the fact that the discussion he and I (and several others) were involved with dealt with matters of larger scale than dealing with something as ultimately trivial as entertainment/rock music. Secondly, I think ChristianRock *DOES* suck. I think I resent it because it comes across as entirely agenda-driven. That may not bug you, but it bugs me. It doesn't mean I think they should all be rounded up and exiled, it just means I'd prefer they kept their particular brand of prosthletyzing to themselves. "Maybe, but that doesn't undermine the "fact" that his work is legendary. Not to mention the fact that his Xian era works were probably among the most musically complex of his entire career." Legendary means nothing to me. Gary Glitter is legendary too, but you don't see me championing him either. To each their own. Muscial complexity, also, isn't necessarily a staple of quality. Marillion are technically complex as well, does that make them legendary? Thought not. "IMO you are protraying the trait of prejudice in your stance because you don't automatically despise the output of people who are of other faiths, only Xians. Therefore by displaying prejudice, and since it would appear you view prejudice as a negative trait, you are in fact hypocritical. Now most people, yourself included, might say that this is a minor issue, we're only talking about entertainment. But anyone observing this list from the outside would see that we hold popular music in high esteem. We value it not only for it's artisitic qualities but for it's potential to impact popular thinking and change society as we know it. So to automatically write off an individual artists output solely because of their faith is to not only limit your own listening choices, but it says something about how you view Xians as a whole if you are so willing to write off their artistic endeavors in a media that you hold in very high esteem." I didn't say I *DESPISED* Christians (that's how you spell it, by the way) because of their music, but rather that I don't think it's very good, or at least it's not my cup of tea, or simply that I think it SUCKS (and I still think that) for reasons I've expressed above. For what it's worth, let's expand this.....I prefer my rock music to be ENTIRELY SECULAR. I do not decry other people for their respective faiths, but I'd rather not be subjected to music that extols the tennets of said faith. If they want to listen to it, bully for them, but don't ask me to enjoy it. "And after another 20 years you haven't matured enough to stop thumbing your nose at a strawman? You should really be discussing this with your parents and possibly a professional counselor. You're obviously horribly scarred." You seem to think that I'm plagued by this, when in truth, I couldn't give less of a damn. But, clearly, you're out either to wind me up or exact revenge for touching on a nerve of yours with something I said earlier. Either way, I resent your tone and your sentiment, and I'd thank you to leave my parents out of this. Shove it up your ass, while you're at it. Merry Christmas, Alex in NYC > On Saturday, December 20, 2003, at 02:53 PM, culture.virus wrote: > > At 08:42 PM 12/19/03, Alex wrote: > >> Okay, here we go.... >> >> "Alex, do you not see your own hypocrisy?" >> >> No, but I *DO* see a big middle finger pointed right at YOU! > > I thought you might not. > > >> "You and many others on the Gathering have blasted Peter for his >> statements >> about the 'sword of Islam' and then you turn around and paint all Xian >> musician's art as moot simply >> because of their religious beliefs?" >> >> You may notice, I wrote: "1. They're Christians, which renders their >> music >> instantly moot, as far as I'm concerned." There is a *HUGE* >> difference between >> decrying an entire faith as zombified zealots sworn to the abject >> destruction >> of all non-believers and expressing the opinion that "Christian Rock" >> sucks so >> bad that it's not even worth discussing...once again, AS FAR AS I'M >> CONCERNED. > > I agree that there is BIG difference of scale. Nor was I implying that > you have decried Xians as a whole. That being said you have made a > prejudicial statement when you say "They're Christians, which renders > their music instantly moot, as far as I'm concerned." You have > prejudged all endeavors at music by Xians to be of such a nature as to > "suck a giant bag of greasy dicks." > >> Peter was talking about warfare, I was discussing entertainment. Does >> expressing my disdain for Evanescence's music mean that I think all >> Christians are >> the enemy? No, but it means I think their weak -ass attempts at rock >> suck giant >> bag of greasy dicks. >> >> "Bruce Cockburn is a Xian is his body of work moot?" >> >> I've never been a fan > > Nor am I a "fan" but it's obvious that his work in the > singer/songwriter subgenre of rock is of very high stature. > > >> "What about Dylan?" >> >> I've *NEVER* been a fan of Bob Dylan > > Maybe, but that doesn't undermine the "fact" that his work is > legendary. Not to mention the fact that his Xian era works were > probably among the most musically complex of his entire career. > > >> *What about any number of classical composers?" >> >> That's not Rock. >> >> "And what about reggae?" >> >> That's not Christian, and technically, that's not rock either. > > AFAIC all modern music owes a good deal of it's roots to the blues and > therefore rock as well. Reggae is a post rock and roll genre. > > >> "Is it all moot because of their religious beliefs?" >> >> I never said that. My point was that Christian Rock sucks...a >> statement I'll >> stand behind. > > So is it only Xian attempts at pop/rock that are automatically bereft > of musical value? You don't even have to hear it, it just > automatically sucks. Do you ever stop and wonder why right leaning > people in the US accuse the left leaning of being elitist? > > >> "After all a great deal of reggae is overtly religious in it's lyrical >> content." >> >> True, but that's reggae. >> >> "Does Cat Stevens automatically suck because of his allegiance to >> Allah?" >> >> Did I ever suggest as much? > > So is it only Xian attempts at pop/rock that are automatically bereft > of musical value? > > >> "Do Live automatically suck because of the Buddhist slant?" >> >> No, they automatically suck BECAUSE THEY'RE LIVE!!!!! > > So is it only Xian attempts at pop/rock that are automatically bereft > of musical value? > > >> " When are you and the other members of this list going to see that >> you're as >> prejudiced and hateful as the people you condemn?" >> >> Number one, I'm not PRE-JUDGING Evanescence. I've had the TREMENDOUS >> MISFORTUNE of hearing their music....thus, my judgement of them is >> based on the >> evidence, not on preconceptions. > > No you're not prejudging Evanescence, you're prejudging all > acknowledged Xian Rock as sucking. In fact if I stripped your > statement out of it's original context you stated that any music by a > Xian is moot. You don't see that as being prejudicial? So as I tried > to say before the list, you included, were slagging Peter for the > trait of prejudice, a trait most of us see as a negative. IMO you are > protraying the trait of prejudice in your stance because you don't > automatically despise the output of people who are of other faiths, > only Xians. Therefore by displaying prejudice, and since it would > appear you view prejudice as a negative trait, you are in fact > hypocritical. > > Now most people, yourself included, might say that this is a minor > issue, we're only talking about entertainment. But anyone observing > this list from the outside would see that we hold popular music in > high esteem. We value it not only for it's artisitic qualities but for > it's potential to impact popular thinking and change society as we > know it. So to automatically write off an individual artists output > solely because of their faith is to not only limit your own listening > choices, but it says something about how you view Xians as a whole if > you are so willing to write off their artistic endeavors in a media > that you hold in very high esteem. > >> Moreover, after fourteen years of Catholic >> education, I feel no qualms about speaking out about a faith I was >> raised within. > > And after another 20 years you haven't matured enough to stop thumbing > your nose at a strawman? You should really be discussing this with > your parents and possibly a professional counselor. You're obviously > horribly scarred. > > >> " BTW I'm no fan of Evanescence either." >> >> How nice for you. >> >> Alex in NYC >> reply to home e-mail: vassifer@earthlink.net > > I am culturevirus > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > --Apple-Mail-2--836871979 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII :::sigh::: Cripes, when did you become such a hateful little creep? Or is this just some sort've wind-up? In any event, here's my bottom line on the issue: I may fundamentally disagree with Peter West on a variety of issues, but he's still as entitled to his opinions as I am of mine. I'd also like to re-emphasize the fact that the discussion he and I (and several others) were involved with dealt with matters of larger scale than dealing with something as ultimately trivial as entertainment/rock music. Secondly, I think ChristianRock *DOES* suck. I think I resent it because it comes across as entirely agenda-driven. That may not bug you, but it bugs me. It doesn't mean I think they should all be rounded up and exiled, it just means I'd prefer they kept their particular brand of prosthletyzing to themselves. A6FA,2C9A,A1A3"Maybe, but that doesn't undermine the "fact" that his work is legendary. Not to mention the fact that his Xian era works were probably among the most musically complex of his entire career." Legendary means nothing to me. Gary Glitter is legendary too, but you don't see me championing him either. To each their own. Muscial complexity, also, isn't necessarily a staple of quality. Marillion are technically complex as well, does that make them legendary? Thought not. BE40,32D1,B82A"IMO you are protraying the trait of prejudice in your stance because you don't automatically despise the output of people who are of other faiths, only Xians. Therefore by displaying prejudice, and since it would appear you view prejudice as a negative trait, you are in fact hypocritical. Now most people, yourself included, might say that this is a minor issue, we're only talking about entertainment. But anyone observing this list from the outside would see that we hold popular music in high esteem. We value it not only for it's artisitic qualities but for it's potential to impact popular thinking and change society as we know it. So to automatically write off an individual artists output solely because of their faith is to not only limit your own listening choices, but it says something about how you view Xians as a whole if you are so willing to write off their artistic endeavors in a media that you hold in very high esteem." 1160,04A4,10D1I didn't say I *DESPISED* Christians (that's how you spell it, by the way) because of their music, but rather that I don't think it's very good, or at least it's not my cup of tea, or simply that I think it SUCKS (and I still think that) for reasons I've expressed above. For what it's worth, let's expand this.....I prefer my rock music to be ENTIRELY SECULAR. I do not decry other people for their respective faiths, but I'd rather not be subjected to music that extols the tennets of said faith. If they want to listen to it, bully for them, but don't ask me to enjoy it. AC98,2E1A,A712"And after another 20 years you haven't matured enough to stop thumbing your nose at a strawman? You should really be discussing this with your parents and possibly a professional counselor. You're obviously horribly scarred." You seem to think that I'm plagued by this, when in truth, I couldn't give less of a damn. But, clearly, you're out either to wind me up or exact revenge for touching on a nerve of yours with something I said earlier. Either way, I resent your tone and your sentiment, and I'd thank you to leave my parents out of this. Shove it up your ass, while you're at it. Merry Christmas, Alex in NYC 1160,04A4,10D1 BE40,32D1,B82A On Saturday, December 20, 2003, at 02:53 PM, culture.virus wrote: At 08:42 PM 12/19/03, Alex wrote: Okay, here we go.... "Alex, do you not see your own hypocrisy?" No, but I *DO* see a big middle finger pointed right at YOU! I thought you might not. "You and many others on the Gathering have blasted Peter for his statements about the 'sword of Islam' and then you turn around and paint all Xian musician's art as moot simply because of their religious beliefs?" You may notice, I wrote: "1. They're Christians, which renders their music instantly moot, as far as I'm concerned." There is a *HUGE* difference between decrying an entire faith as zombified zealots sworn to the abject destruction of all non-believers and expressing the opinion that "Christian Rock" sucks so bad that it's not even worth discussing...once again, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. I agree that there is BIG difference of scale. Nor was I implying that you have decried Xians as a whole. That being said you have made a prejudicial statement when you say "They're Christians, which renders their music instantly moot, as far as I'm concerned." You have prejudged all endeavors at music by Xians to be of such a nature as to "suck a giant bag of greasy dicks." Peter was talking about warfare, I was discussing entertainment. Does expressing my disdain for Evanescence's music mean that I think all Christians are the enemy? No, but it means I think their weak -ass attempts at rock suck giant bag of greasy dicks. "Bruce Cockburn is a Xian is his body of work moot?" I've never been a fan Nor am I a "fan" but it's obvious that his work in the singer/songwriter subgenre of rock is of very high stature. "What about Dylan?" I've *NEVER* been a fan of Bob Dylan Maybe, but that doesn't undermine the "fact" that his work is legendary. Not to mention the fact that his Xian era works were probably among the most musically complex of his entire career. *What about any number of classical composers?" That's not Rock. "And what about reggae?" That's not Christian, and technically, that's not rock either. AFAIC all modern music owes a good deal of it's roots to the blues and therefore rock as well. Reggae is a post rock and roll genre. "Is it all moot because of their religious beliefs?" I never said that. My point was that Christian Rock sucks...a statement I'll stand behind. So is it only Xian attempts at pop/rock that are automatically bereft of musical value? You don't even have to hear it, it just automatically sucks. Do you ever stop and wonder why right leaning people in the US accuse the left leaning of being elitist? "After all a great deal of reggae is overtly religious in it's lyrical content." True, but that's reggae. "Does Cat Stevens automatically suck because of his allegiance to Allah?" Did I ever suggest as much? So is it only Xian attempts at pop/rock that are automatically bereft of musical value? "Do Live automatically suck because of the Buddhist slant?" No, they automatically suck BECAUSE THEY'RE LIVE!!!!! So is it only Xian attempts at pop/rock that are automatically bereft of musical value? " When are you and the other members of this list going to see that you're as prejudiced and hateful as the people you condemn?" Number one, I'm not PRE-JUDGING Evanescence. I've had the TREMENDOUS MISFORTUNE of hearing their music....thus, my judgement of them is based on the evidence, not on preconceptions. No you're not prejudging Evanescence, you're prejudging all acknowledged Xian Rock as sucking. In fact if I stripped your statement out of it's original context you stated that any music by a Xian is moot. You don't see that as being prejudicial? So as I tried to say before the list, you included, were slagging Peter for the trait of prejudice, a trait most of us see as a negative. IMO you are protraying the trait of prejudice in your stance because you don't automatically despise the output of people who are of other faiths, only Xians. Therefore by displaying prejudice, and since it would appear you view prejudice as a negative trait, you are in fact hypocritical. Now most people, yourself included, might say that this is a minor issue, we're only talking about entertainment. But anyone observing this list from the outside would see that we hold popular music in high esteem. We value it not only for it's artisitic qualities but for it's potential to impact popular thinking and change society as we know it. So to automatically write off an individual artists output solely because of their faith is to not only limit your own listening choices, but it says something about how you view Xians as a whole if you are so willing to write off their artistic endeavors in a media that you hold in very high esteem. Moreover, after fourteen years of Catholic education, I feel no qualms about speaking out about a faith I was raised within. And after another 20 years you haven't matured enough to stop thumbing your nose at a strawman? You should really be discussing this with your parents and possibly a professional counselor. You're obviously horribly scarred. " BTW I'm no fan of Evanescence either." How nice for you. Alex in NYC reply to home e-mail: vassifer@earthlink.net I am culturevirus _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering --Apple-Mail-2--836871979-- From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 22:34:32 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alexander Smith) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 17:34:32 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031220115554.02a6cae0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: --Apple-Mail-4--836808202 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed " And as a former evangelical Xian myself..." Ah, there we go then. That explains it. Alex in NYC On Saturday, December 20, 2003, at 03:18 PM, culture.virus wrote: > That may be Greg, but that's not what was said. The statement was that > the music was by Xians and therefore moot. Evanescence's music is not > of the bible-thumping/converting variety. In fact their label pulled > their records from the shelves of Xian bookstores because they are > something of an anathema to that particular part of the Xian > subculture. And as a former evangelical Xian myself I'm well aware of > the subculture and it's thought patterns. I also know that there are > hundreds of bands in that genre who just want to make the best music > they can while not betraying firmly held religious beliefs. Their > music may reflect their beliefs, but they don't have conversion as > their primary focus. > > I also want to reiterate what I was saying before, if it's only music > by Xian's that is automatically bad, that is a prejudical statement. > I've never heard this list tolerate prejudice in any form and for any > off color remarks. Recently in the whole Peter West fiasco somebody > used the term "ragheads" to describe Islamic people and was roundly > chastised. Two days ago bluceree (and others in the past) called Xians > "god-botherers" and not an eyebrow raised. It's really sad and > laughable at the same. The one thing that won't be tolerated is > intolerance. Isn't that what you said? > > At 09:21 PM 12/19/03, you wrote: >> I think the reference to Christian music was specifically to >> Christian rock, the bible-thumping purist kind that has as its only >> goal the conversion of everyone to Christianity. Their listeners >> often listen to no other music, for fear of being sinners. By the >> way, religious reggae music is usually Rastifarian, which is a >> different religion that Christianity (although it has aspect of it, >> as well as Judaism). I don't think it's prejudiced to criticize a >> type of music that is only bent on converting people, and tends to >> have listeners that are intolerant of others (such as gays and >> atheists). > > I am culturevirus > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > --Apple-Mail-4--836808202 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII D3FA,389F,CD32" And as a former evangelical Xian myself..." Ah, there we go then. That explains it. Alex in NYC On Saturday, December 20, 2003, at 03:18 PM, culture.virus wrote: That may be Greg, but that's not what was said. The statement was that the music was by Xians and therefore moot. Evanescence's music is not of the bible-thumping/converting variety. In fact their label pulled their records from the shelves of Xian bookstores because they are something of an anathema to that particular part of the Xian subculture. And as a former evangelical Xian myself I'm well aware of the subculture and it's thought patterns. I also know that there are hundreds of bands in that genre who just want to make the best music they can while not betraying firmly held religious beliefs. Their music may reflect their beliefs, but they don't have conversion as their primary focus. I also want to reiterate what I was saying before, if it's only music by Xian's that is automatically bad, that is a prejudical statement. I've never heard this list tolerate prejudice in any form and for any off color remarks. Recently in the whole Peter West fiasco somebody used the term "ragheads" to describe Islamic people and was roundly chastised. Two days ago bluceree (and others in the past) called Xians "god-botherers" and not an eyebrow raised. It's really sad and laughable at the same. The one thing that won't be tolerated is intolerance. Isn't that what you said? At 09:21 PM 12/19/03, you wrote: I think the reference to Christian music was specifically to Christian rock, the bible-thumping purist kind that has as its only goal the conversion of everyone to Christianity. Their listeners often listen to no other music, for fear of being sinners. By the way, religious reggae music is usually Rastifarian, which is a different religion that Christianity (although it has aspect of it, as well as Judaism). I don't think it's prejudiced to criticize a type of music that is only bent on converting people, and tends to have listeners that are intolerant of others (such as gays and atheists). I am culturevirus _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering --Apple-Mail-4--836808202-- From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 22:50:15 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Robin Noelle McFayden) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 17:50:15 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: Goth References: <200312192141.hBJLf5xl012677@basil.jkm.net> Message-ID: <019a01c3c74b$a392fe20$53365444@summit01.nj.comcast.net> Amy, If you haven't hunted that album down yet.........it's Good Charlotte - "Girls & Boys" off of The Young And The Hopeless. My 12 year old wore out that CD last year - in the process I happen to know the lyrics to the entire album.........along with many others, lol. Robin :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Moseley Rupp" To: Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Goth > > Greenday goth???? Can I have the drugs she is taking? Seriously, where in > > the fucking hell does she get that? My god, the youth have gone fucking > > retarded. Ok, if ya wanna call it punk, thatąs at LEAST a little > > closer....more like punk-lite, but goth? Where? Show me one thing that makes > > greenday goth...just one...yeah, your "special friend" should be appalled at > > that one. I find no way on this earth, rational or not, to draw any link > > between grenday and goth. > > Has any teenager ever had to justify his/her opinions to an > (gasp!) adult? > > He played her Sisters Of Mercy and the like but up into the air > went the cute snubbed nose and her brain turned off. > > (sigh) > > Hey, my 11-year-old fancies a song that contains the lyrics > "Girls like cars and money" (I fink, either that or guys with money). > (blechhhhhhh) I'm going to try to hunt it down to give her > for Christmas. Rather her listen to shite music than no > music at all! > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 05:44:37 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Ross O'Donoghue) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 07:44:37 +0200 Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? References: <7d.434df4f8.2d152d18@aol.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20031220104228.02a6aa70@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <006f01c3c6bc$5c2b51c0$1fc683d9@ibm559c085> Just a couple of points..... 1. I think we should probably leave off getting excited about Peter West now, as the whole thing was obviously quite a leg-pull.. and some of us at least have twigged who was probably behind it. As usual, some are too dull to get the joke.... 2. AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED (thought I would try capitals, as this phrase is obviously otherwise invisible to some eyes) the whole notion of 'tolerance' has to do with living and letting others live, and not that much to do with the peculiar notions of the few thought-police hanging around here who seem inordinately concerned that we think the 'right' things. I happen to carry around a whole bag of rather unwholesome prejudices, and I frankly doubt if there are many of us who have thoroughly exorcised these ....I despise all forms of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, and rarely have much time for their adherents. I also hate the falseness of the term 'Xtian' - why fly in the face of history and obscure an intelligible term with a silly neologism that adds nothing? Or is the 'x' a kiss for a man betrayed by one? I find most queers extremely dull and irritating company, and would like to see all the modest head-scarved women of Islam and their cloistered Christian counterparts stripped naked, horsewhipped and gang-raped by herds of goats in public. I won't even get started on the Jews....( I find most Buddhists amiable fools, and have little beef with Hindus) BUT....THE POINT IS......FREEDOM &TOLERANCE ( on my terms, of course) are the ONLY social principles worth having, and they encompass all others. I would be the first to take up arms and leap into the trenches in defence of the rights of any of the above-mentioned pains-in-the-fecking-arse to continue to add to my existential discomfort. This doesn't actually require that I like any of them. (Jacques Chirac should be shot). So, now, take it easy : we're not the same. Ye have been warned! Ross. ----- Original Message ----- From: culture.virus To: Cc: Sent: 20 Aralýk 2003 Cumartesi 21:53 Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? > > At 08:42 PM 12/19/03, Alex wrote: > > >Okay, here we go.... > > > >"Alex, do you not see your own hypocrisy?" > > > >No, but I *DO* see a big middle finger pointed right at YOU! > > I thought you might not. > > > >"You and many others on the Gathering have blasted Peter for his statements > >about the 'sword of Islam' and then you turn around and paint all Xian > >musician's art as moot simply > >because of their religious beliefs?" > > > >You may notice, I wrote: "1. They're Christians, which renders their music > >instantly moot, as far as I'm concerned." There is a *HUGE* difference > >between > >decrying an entire faith as zombified zealots sworn to the abject destruction > >of all non-believers and expressing the opinion that "Christian Rock" > >sucks so > >bad that it's not even worth discussing...once again, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. > > I agree that there is BIG difference of scale. Nor was I implying that you > have decried Xians as a whole. That being said you have made a prejudicial > statement when you say "They're Christians, which renders their music > instantly moot, as far as I'm concerned." You have prejudged all endeavors > at music by Xians to be of such a nature as to "suck a giant bag of greasy > dicks." > > > Peter was talking about warfare, I was discussing entertainment. Does > >expressing my disdain for Evanescence's music mean that I think all > >Christians are > >the enemy? No, but it means I think their weak -ass attempts at rock suck > >giant > >bag of greasy dicks. > > > >"Bruce Cockburn is a Xian is his body of work moot?" > > > >I've never been a fan > > Nor am I a "fan" but it's obvious that his work in the singer/songwriter > subgenre of rock is of very high stature. > > > >"What about Dylan?" > > > >I've *NEVER* been a fan of Bob Dylan > > Maybe, but that doesn't undermine the "fact" that his work is legendary. > Not to mention the fact that his Xian era works were probably among the > most musically complex of his entire career. > > > >*What about any number of classical composers?" > > > >That's not Rock. > > > >"And what about reggae?" > > > >That's not Christian, and technically, that's not rock either. > > AFAIC all modern music owes a good deal of it's roots to the blues and > therefore rock as well. Reggae is a post rock and roll genre. > > > >"Is it all moot because of their religious beliefs?" > > > >I never said that. My point was that Christian Rock sucks...a statement I'll > >stand behind. > > So is it only Xian attempts at pop/rock that are automatically bereft of > musical value? You don't even have to hear it, it just automatically sucks. > Do you ever stop and wonder why right leaning people in the US accuse the > left leaning of being elitist? > > > >"After all a great deal of reggae is overtly religious in it's lyrical > >content." > > > >True, but that's reggae. > > > >"Does Cat Stevens automatically suck because of his allegiance to Allah?" > > > >Did I ever suggest as much? > > So is it only Xian attempts at pop/rock that are automatically bereft of > musical value? > > > >"Do Live automatically suck because of the Buddhist slant?" > > > >No, they automatically suck BECAUSE THEY'RE LIVE!!!!! > > So is it only Xian attempts at pop/rock that are automatically bereft of > musical value? > > > >" When are you and the other members of this list going to see that you're as > >prejudiced and hateful as the people you condemn?" > > > >Number one, I'm not PRE-JUDGING Evanescence. I've had the TREMENDOUS > >MISFORTUNE of hearing their music....thus, my judgement of them is based > >on the > >evidence, not on preconceptions. > > No you're not prejudging Evanescence, you're prejudging all acknowledged > Xian Rock as sucking. In fact if I stripped your statement out of it's > original context you stated that any music by a Xian is moot. You don't see > that as being prejudicial? So as I tried to say before the list, you > included, were slagging Peter for the trait of prejudice, a trait most of > us see as a negative. IMO you are protraying the trait of prejudice in your > stance because you don't automatically despise the output of people who are > of other faiths, only Xians. Therefore by displaying prejudice, and since > it would appear you view prejudice as a negative trait, you are in fact > hypocritical. > > Now most people, yourself included, might say that this is a minor issue, > we're only talking about entertainment. But anyone observing this list from > the outside would see that we hold popular music in high esteem. We value > it not only for it's artisitic qualities but for it's potential to impact > popular thinking and change society as we know it. So to automatically > write off an individual artists output solely because of their faith is to > not only limit your own listening choices, but it says something about how > you view Xians as a whole if you are so willing to write off their artistic > endeavors in a media that you hold in very high esteem. > > >Moreover, after fourteen years of Catholic > >education, I feel no qualms about speaking out about a faith I was raised > >within. > > And after another 20 years you haven't matured enough to stop thumbing your > nose at a strawman? You should really be discussing this with your parents > and possibly a professional counselor. You're obviously horribly scarred. > > > >" BTW I'm no fan of Evanescence either." > > > >How nice for you. > > > >Alex in NYC > >reply to home e-mail: vassifer@earthlink.net > > I am culturevirus > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 00:23:26 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:23:26 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] OT: Goth In-Reply-To: <019a01c3c74b$a392fe20$53365444@summit01.nj.comcast.net> from "Robin Noelle McFayden" at Dec 20, 2003 05:50:15 PM Message-ID: <200312210023.hBL0NQHw021230@basil.jkm.net> > If you haven't hunted that album down yet.........it's Good Charlotte - > "Girls & Boys" off of The Young And The Hopeless. My 12 year old wore out > that CD last year - in the process I happen to know the lyrics to the entire > album.........along with many others, lol. OH MY GOD. Good Charlotte, eh? From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 00:50:21 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dammit Bleep) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 00:50:21 +0000 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Message-ID: 1) Your Name: Jim 2) Your Age: 30 3) Are you married and have you any children? No and no (thankfully). 4) I live here: Dayton, Ohio 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: Last Spring 6) What do you want for X-mas? Ca$h baby! 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? Trip to Chicago to see Wire. 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? Realistic: A second KJ tour so I can see them this time. Optimistic: The US MOSTLY out of Iraq. Pessimistic: Another Bloody Election. 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: Cop Shoot Cop- Release. It's good as far as the overal band goes, but clearly not their best. They resemble a band that was on their way out, which is what they were. 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? 1-Placebo- Sleeping With Ghosts 2- WIRE- Send 3- The Fire Theft- The Fire Theft 4- TV On The Radio- Young Liars 5- Radiohead- Hail To The Thief 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Last one seen was TV On The Radio in Newport, KY. They were very good live. The album is good, but the live instrumentation is fabulous. Saw Wire in June. Enough said. The boys still got it. Saw Interpol in Newport early in the year. A bit sleepy, but excellent. 12) Worst music you heard all year: Most anything oncorporate radio (too numerous to mention). 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of CREED, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music) 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: Original FEAR, Catherine Wheel, Headswim, Jawbox, Course Of Empire, Shudder To Think 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day:CREED, Red Hot Chili Peppers 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: WIRE- A Bell Is A Cup..., FEAR- More Beer, 17) Most overrated music of the year: Norah Freakin' Shankar Jones 18) Most underrated music of the year: KJ-KJ 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: (In no particular order) Jawbox, Bowie, Gang Of Four, Shudder To Think, Catherine Wheel 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet: What presence? Oh, you must mean that little "official" site that was once a shockingly new jewel turned old, out-dated and almost taking up more bandwith than it's worth. 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: Another US tour leg...work on a follow-up. 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction: Sadly, no. 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? YESYESYESYES 25) Favorite track on the new album: At the moment: Implant 26) Least favorite track on the new album: Loose Cannon 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: Death and Resurrection Show. 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? No. 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? (Snicker) Martin Atkins. 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Invasion 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Good Credit. 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? Paris Hilton Video T-Shirts that read: Paris Hilton: WHO GIVES A FUCK?!!! 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: Dunno. 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? From the network media? Yes. 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: Take him on a tour through Afghanistan. 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Working for a big record company. Not sure which. 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Are you fuckin' KIDDING me?! 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? Who can be prepared as a civillian for such things? 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? No. 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? at some slut's house. I was sleeping. 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: Order an investigation into American Intelligence sources before, during and after the war in Iraq. 42) Tony Blair is a: Prime Minister. 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: Who uses dimes or real money these days aside from me? 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: True. However, every president has been an idiot dating back to the begining of the 20th century at some time or another. GWB and his handlers have such a hard-on for forcing whatever policy/action they deem necessary (ie- the war in Iraq, the tax break, infiltrating privacy of citizens under the guise of the War on Terroism) 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? Seemingly Clinton's, however, we cannot fault GWB's Admin for missing 9/11. Since then,however, the thing's the US has done in the name of Homeland Security and the War on Terrorism has been nothing short of militants foaming at the pie hole. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local high-speed providers now. https://broadband.msn.com From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 02:14:14 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dammit Bleep) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 02:14:14 +0000 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Message-ID:

24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? YESYESYESYES

I must amend this answer. I misread (at work). I would like to have seen Kid Rock's skull being smashed by a certain golden guitar.

 

Thank you,

 

-jim




Saepe ne utile quidem est scire quid futurum sit. >From: "Dammit Bleep" >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: RE: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 >Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 00:50:21 +0000 > > >1) Your Name: Jim > >2) Your Age: 30 > >3) Are you married and have you any children? No and no >(thankfully). > >4) I live here: Dayton, Ohio > >5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: Last Spring > >6) What do you want for X-mas? Ca$h baby! > >7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? Trip to Chicago to see >Wire. > >8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? Realistic: A second KJ tour so I can >see them this time. Optimistic: The US MOSTLY out of Iraq. >Pessimistic: Another Bloody Election. > >9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: Cop Shoot >Cop- Release. It's good as far as the overal band goes, but clearly >not their best. They resemble a band that was on their way out, >which is what they were. > >10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top >five favorite releases of the year? > >1-Placebo- Sleeping With Ghosts >2- WIRE- Send >3- The Fire Theft- The Fire Theft >4- TV On The Radio- Young Liars >5- Radiohead- Hail To The Thief > >11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Last one >seen was TV On The Radio in Newport, KY. They were very good live. >The album is good, but the live instrumentation is fabulous. Saw >Wire in June. Enough said. The boys still got it. Saw Interpol in >Newport early in the year. A bit sleepy, but excellent. > >12) Worst music you heard all year: Most anything oncorporate radio >(too numerous to mention). > >13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of >CREED, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer >need not be restricted to music) > >14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new >material: Original FEAR, Catherine Wheel, Headswim, Jawbox, Course >Of Empire, Shudder To Think > >15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a >day:CREED, Red Hot Chili Peppers > >16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe >stylee: WIRE- A Bell Is A Cup..., FEAR- More Beer, > >17) Most overrated music of the year: Norah Freakin' Shankar Jones > >18) Most underrated music of the year: KJ-KJ > >19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: >(In no particular order) Jawbox, Bowie, Gang Of Four, Shudder To >Think, Catherine Wheel > >20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet: >What presence? Oh, you must mean that little "official" site that >was once a shockingly new jewel turned old, out-dated and almost >taking up more bandwith than it's worth. > >22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really >like the following to happen: Another US tour leg...work on a >follow-up. > >23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly >explain your reaction: Sadly, no. > >24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than >the red Krusty Clown? YESYESYESYES > >25) Favorite track on the new album: At the moment: Implant > >26) Least favorite track on the new album: Loose Cannon > >27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have >been: Death and Resurrection Show. > >28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your >thoughts? No. > >29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next >Killing Joke record? (Snicker) Martin Atkins. > >30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Invasion > >31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT >THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Good Credit. > >32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable >site? Paris Hilton Video T-Shirts that read: Paris Hilton: WHO GIVES >A FUCK?!!! > >33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the >White House: Dunno. > >34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been >apprehended? From the network media? Yes. > >35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: Take >him on a tour through Afghanistan. > >36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Working for a big record company. Not >sure which. > >37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the >homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Are you fuckin' KIDDING me?! > >38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? Who can be >prepared as a civillian for such things? > >39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of >September 11, 2001? No. > >40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? at some slut's >house. I was sleeping. > >41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office >would be: Order an investigation into American Intelligence sources >before, during and after the war in Iraq. > >42) Tony Blair is a: Prime Minister. > >43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the >American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: >Who uses dimes or real money these days aside from me? > >44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling >why you feel this way. Support your argument: True. However, every >president has been an idiot dating back to the begining of the 20th >century at some time or another. GWB and his handlers have such a >hard-on for forcing whatever policy/action they deem necessary (ie- >the war in Iraq, the tax break, infiltrating privacy of citizens >under the guise of the War on Terroism) > >45) Under which American administration was the world/your own >situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? >Seemingly Clinton's, however, we cannot fault GWB's Admin for >missing 9/11. Since then,however, the thing's the US has done in the >name of Homeland Security and the War on Terrorism has been nothing >short of militants foaming at the pie hole. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local >high-speed providers now. https://broadband.msn.com > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering

Have fun customizing MSN Messenger — learn how here! From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 02:22:57 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bo Krogsgaard) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 03:22:57 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: Culture Virus In-Reply-To: <8847B003-333C-11D8-8531-000A95E608B4@earthlink.net> References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031220104228.02a6aa70@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <3FE51211.32686.57BAD82@localhost> On 20 Dec 2003 at 17:33, Alexander Smith wrote: > Secondly, I think ChristianRock *DOES* suck. I think I resent it > because it comes across as entirely agenda-driven. That may not bug > you, but it bugs me. It doesn't mean I think they should all be rounded > up and exiled, it just means I'd prefer they kept their particular > brand of prosthletyzing to themselves. There is a difference between Christian rock and rock music made by Christians. Dunno who are saying what in this discussion but some of you are anal retentive. b From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 02:41:12 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (culture.virus) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:41:12 -0800 Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031220115554.02a6cae0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031220183337.029a8ba0@127.0.0.1> So were you actually going to respond with a reasoned defense of why your statement was not prejudiced or were you just going to play some sort of passive aggressive ad hominem game. Or have you decided that since I once self identified as evangelical that I am obviously below you and am not capable of seeing things in a objective light? Simply reinforcing an air of prejudice with the comment below may just be a wind-up but if not then would you please explain why you are not prejudiced towards people of a particular faith? At 02:34 PM 12/20/03, you wrote: >" And as a former evangelical Xian myself..." > > >Ah, there we go then. That explains it. > >Alex in NYC > > > >On Saturday, December 20, 2003, at 03:18 PM, culture.virus wrote: > >>That may be Greg, but that's not what was said. The statement was that >>the music was by Xians and therefore moot. Evanescence's music is not of >>the bible-thumping/converting variety. In fact their label pulled their >>records from the shelves of Xian bookstores because they are something of >>an anathema to that particular part of the Xian subculture. And as a >>former evangelical Xian myself I'm well aware of the subculture and >>it's thought patterns. I also know that there are hundreds of bands in >>that genre who just want to make the best music they can while not >>betraying firmly held religious beliefs. Their music may reflect their >>beliefs, but they don't have conversion as their primary focus. >> >>I also want to reiterate what I was saying before, if it's only music by >>Xian's that is automatically bad, that is a prejudical statement. I've >>never heard this list tolerate prejudice in any form and for any off >>color remarks. Recently in the whole Peter West fiasco somebody used the >>term "ragheads" to describe Islamic people and was roundly chastised. Two >>days ago bluceree (and others in the past) called Xians "god-botherers" >>and not an eyebrow raised. It's really sad and laughable at the same. The >>one thing that won't be tolerated is intolerance. Isn't that what you said? >> >>At 09:21 PM 12/19/03, you wrote: >>>I think the reference to Christian music was specifically to Christian >>>rock, the bible-thumping purist kind that has as its only goal the >>>conversion of everyone to Christianity. Their listeners often listen to >>>no other music, for fear of being sinners. By the way, religious reggae >>>music is usually Rastifarian, which is a different religion that >>>Christianity (although it has aspect of it, as well as Judaism). I don't >>>think it's prejudiced to criticize a type of music that is only bent on >>>converting people, and tends to have listeners that are intolerant of >>>others (such as gays and atheists). >> >>I am culturevirus I am culturevirus From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 02:52:51 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 20:52:51 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031220183337.029a8ba0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: Even I, the king of OT posts, am sick of this shit..fucking hell you two. Go meet in an alley some where and duke it out, or sword fight or something. Culture Virus, don't call someone out, then act all offended when the return fire. Yes, you are below because you have to call up some obscure, obsolete term for Christian to make your defense more viable. Shut the fuck up now... Get the joke? Ne Plus Ultra, Occisio Locatio The Web Master, Jester www.killing-joke.com -----Original Message----- From: culture.virus [mailto:culturevirus@mindspring.com] Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 8:41 PM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? So were you actually going to respond with a reasoned defense of why your statement was not prejudiced or were you just going to play some sort of passive aggressive ad hominem game. Or have you decided that since I once self identified as evangelical that I am obviously below you and am not capable of seeing things in a objective light? Simply reinforcing an air of prejudice with the comment below may just be a wind-up but if not then would you please explain why you are not prejudiced towards people of a particular faith? At 02:34 PM 12/20/03, you wrote: >" And as a former evangelical Xian myself..." > > >Ah, there we go then. That explains it. > >Alex in NYC > > > >On Saturday, December 20, 2003, at 03:18 PM, culture.virus wrote: > >>That may be Greg, but that's not what was said. The statement was that >>the music was by Xians and therefore moot. Evanescence's music is not of >>the bible-thumping/converting variety. In fact their label pulled their >>records from the shelves of Xian bookstores because they are something of >>an anathema to that particular part of the Xian subculture. And as a >>former evangelical Xian myself I'm well aware of the subculture and >>it's thought patterns. I also know that there are hundreds of bands in >>that genre who just want to make the best music they can while not >>betraying firmly held religious beliefs. Their music may reflect their >>beliefs, but they don't have conversion as their primary focus. >> >>I also want to reiterate what I was saying before, if it's only music by >>Xian's that is automatically bad, that is a prejudical statement. I've >>never heard this list tolerate prejudice in any form and for any off >>color remarks. Recently in the whole Peter West fiasco somebody used the >>term "ragheads" to describe Islamic people and was roundly chastised. Two >>days ago bluceree (and others in the past) called Xians "god-botherers" >>and not an eyebrow raised. It's really sad and laughable at the same. The >>one thing that won't be tolerated is intolerance. Isn't that what you said? >> >>At 09:21 PM 12/19/03, you wrote: >>>I think the reference to Christian music was specifically to Christian >>>rock, the bible-thumping purist kind that has as its only goal the >>>conversion of everyone to Christianity. Their listeners often listen to >>>no other music, for fear of being sinners. By the way, religious reggae >>>music is usually Rastifarian, which is a different religion that >>>Christianity (although it has aspect of it, as well as Judaism). I don't >>>think it's prejudiced to criticize a type of music that is only bent on >>>converting people, and tends to have listeners that are intolerant of >>>others (such as gays and atheists). >> >>I am culturevirus I am culturevirus _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 02:55:32 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Cliff and Kara Livingston) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 17:55:32 -0900 Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about KILLING JOKE here? References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031220115554.02a6cae0@127.0.0.1> <6.0.0.22.0.20031220183337.029a8ba0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <006e01c3c76d$ecc80500$308f70d1@antifrz> K I L L I N G J O K E ----- Original Message ----- From: "culture.virus" To: Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? > So were you actually going to respond with a reasoned defense of why your > statement was not prejudiced or were you just going to play some sort of > passive aggressive ad hominem game. Or have you decided that since I once > self identified as evangelical that I am obviously below you and am not > capable of seeing things in a objective light? Simply reinforcing an air of > prejudice with the comment below may just be a wind-up but if not then > would you please explain why you are not prejudiced towards people of a > particular faith? > > At 02:34 PM 12/20/03, you wrote: > > >" And as a former evangelical Xian myself..." > > > > > >Ah, there we go then. That explains it. > > > >Alex in NYC > > > > > > > >On Saturday, December 20, 2003, at 03:18 PM, culture.virus wrote: > > > >>That may be Greg, but that's not what was said. The statement was that > >>the music was by Xians and therefore moot. Evanescence's music is not of > >>the bible-thumping/converting variety. In fact their label pulled their > >>records from the shelves of Xian bookstores because they are something of > >>an anathema to that particular part of the Xian subculture. And as a > >>former evangelical Xian myself I'm well aware of the subculture and > >>it's thought patterns. I also know that there are hundreds of bands in > >>that genre who just want to make the best music they can while not > >>betraying firmly held religious beliefs. Their music may reflect their > >>beliefs, but they don't have conversion as their primary focus. > >> > >>I also want to reiterate what I was saying before, if it's only music by > >>Xian's that is automatically bad, that is a prejudical statement. I've > >>never heard this list tolerate prejudice in any form and for any off > >>color remarks. Recently in the whole Peter West fiasco somebody used the > >>term "ragheads" to describe Islamic people and was roundly chastised. Two > >>days ago bluceree (and others in the past) called Xians "god-botherers" > >>and not an eyebrow raised. It's really sad and laughable at the same. The > >>one thing that won't be tolerated is intolerance. Isn't that what you said? > >> > >>At 09:21 PM 12/19/03, you wrote: > >>>I think the reference to Christian music was specifically to Christian > >>>rock, the bible-thumping purist kind that has as its only goal the > >>>conversion of everyone to Christianity. Their listeners often listen to > >>>no other music, for fear of being sinners. By the way, religious reggae > >>>music is usually Rastifarian, which is a different religion that > >>>Christianity (although it has aspect of it, as well as Judaism). I don't > >>>think it's prejudiced to criticize a type of music that is only bent on > >>>converting people, and tends to have listeners that are intolerant of > >>>others (such as gays and atheists). > >> > >>I am culturevirus > > I am culturevirus > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 03:11:39 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (culture.virus) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 19:11:39 -0800 Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? In-Reply-To: <006f01c3c6bc$5c2b51c0$1fc683d9@ibm559c085> References: <7d.434df4f8.2d152d18@aol.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20031220104228.02a6aa70@127.0.0.1> <006f01c3c6bc$5c2b51c0$1fc683d9@ibm559c085> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031220184143.029abec0@127.0.0.1> At 09:44 PM 12/19/03, you wrote: >Just a couple of points..... >1. I think we should probably leave off getting excited about Peter West >now, as the whole thing was obviously quite a leg-pull.. and some of us at >least have twigged who was probably behind it. As usual, some are too dull >to get the joke.... If you are implying that I am too dense I assure you that it would not surprise me to see Rangecroft pull such a joke. he's proven himself to be more than capable of such a ply. But I have not seen any indication that it was in fact him. Perhaps I missed the post, if so please point it out to me. But the point remains that the responses to the situation do show how people feel about prejudice against folks on purely religous or racial grounds is deemed seriously undesirable by members of this least. These incidents have occurred often in the past and I've commented on them before. >2. AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED (thought I would try capitals, as this phrase is >obviously otherwise invisible to some eyes) the whole notion of 'tolerance' >has to do with living and letting others live, and not that much to do with >the peculiar notions of the few thought-police hanging around here who seem >inordinately concerned that we think the 'right' things. On the whole I'm not interested in thought policing. As a matter of fact I stayed out that entire thread even though I had thoughts of my own on the topic. Nor am I suggesting that Alex shouldn't post how he feels about a topic, even if it may be disruptive to people on the list. But I do feel that I have a right to express my opinion of what I see just as others have in regard to the Peter West fiasco. >I happen to carry >around a whole bag of rather unwholesome prejudices, and I frankly doubt if >there are many of us who have thoroughly exorcised these ....I despise all >forms of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, and rarely have much time for >their adherents. How very sad for you. >I also hate the falseness of the term 'Xtian' - why fly in >the face of history and obscure an intelligible term with a silly neologism >that adds nothing? Or is the 'x' a kiss for a man betrayed by one? I'm not sure what you mean by falseness here Ross. The neologism as you put it isn't that horribly new. IIRC X is the first letter of "christ" in greek. The term is often used in it's shortened form on discussion lists where spiritual matters are discussed. It also is why Christmas is sometimes shortened to Xmas. It just makes it quicker to type. >I find most queers extremely dull and irritating company, and would like to >see all the modest head-scarved women of Islam and their cloistered >Christian counterparts stripped naked, horsewhipped and gang-raped by herds >of goats in public. I won't even get started on the Jews....( I find most >Buddhists amiable fools, and have little beef with Hindus) Ugh, seek help :^) >BUT....THE POINT IS......FREEDOM &TOLERANCE ( on my terms, of course) are >the ONLY social principles worth having, and they encompass all others. They are without a doubt the cornerstone of western civilization as we know it and too a great degree civilization as a whole. Maybe I'm just too hippy/universal nice guy for my own good, but I don't see what you're saying above or Alex's comment as being particularly "tolerant" in fact quite the opposite. Notice that you've wished the greatest ill (even in jest) on the monotheists above while allowing that "queers, Buddhists and Hindi's" are merely annoying. BTW do have an extreme dislike of neopagans, Qabbalists, Crowleyites and other practitioners of high magicks as well? >I >would be the first to take up arms and leap into the trenches in defence of >the rights of any of the above-mentioned pains-in-the-fecking-arse to >continue to add to my existential discomfort. This doesn't actually require >that I like any of them. (Jacques Chirac should be shot). >So, now, take it easy : we're not the same. How gracious of you to let them live. But you wouldn't want them living next door right? BTW I'm not particularly would up at the moment. >Ye have been warned! Uh, thanks >Ross. I am culturevirus From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 03:23:25 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gabriella_Wing=E5rdh?=) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 04:23:25 +0100 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 References: <200312181816.hBIIGwOf006595@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <015f01c3c771$cbd658c0$030c43d5@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_015C_01C3C77A.2D5AAA80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alex Smith=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 7:17 PM Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 1) Your Name: gabriella wingardh 2) Your Age: 37 3) Are you married and have you any children?=20 no & no 4) I live here: stockholm, sweden 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: couple of months on the list, but kj has has been a major provider to = the soundtrack of my id since -81=20 6) What do you want for X-mas? a latex santa :-) 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? having my flat redecorated 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? I=B4ll be up to my ears in work, so I hope I=B4ll have some time for a = life as well 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it? haven=B4t bought anything for some time, but I guess =CD=B4ll be = getting some more autechre stuff=20 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five = favorite releases of the year? hhmm 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? was supposed to see jane=B4s addiction and death in june. couldn=B4t = make either of them, unfortunately 12) Worst music you heard all year: evanescence. among the lot haha 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of = ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need = not be restricted to music) power ballads 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: hm, can=B4t think of any right now 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: U2 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: joy division PIL the cramps 17) Most overrated music of the year: just put on mtv 18) Most underrated music of the year: killing joke 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: (the first five that came to mind, in no particular order) tricky diamanda galas foetus clint mansell film soundtracks by graeme revell (formerly of SPK) 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet well, it=B4s getting better 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really = like the following to happen: a european tour, and a new record out 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly = explain your reaction no, not this one. if there=B4s another tour 2004, I=B4ll definitely = will 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the = red Krusty Clown? I=B4d have liked something that gave the same feel as "what=B4s this = for?"=20 25) Favorite track on the new album:=20 blood on your hands 26) Least favorite track on the new album: you=B4ll never get to me 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have = been: seeing red 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your = thoughts? nope. where can I get a copy? 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next = Killing Joke record?=20 flood aka jim thirlwell 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: empire song 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT = THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR?=20 er, no :-) 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable = site? more brainchildren of mike cole=B4s creative genius 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the = White House: robert anton wilson 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? I don=B4t feel safer or less safer. what I do feel, is don=B4t hype up = even more paranoia. scared people en masse are more frightening. 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: have him face a tribunal in iraq, let the iraqis themselves judge him. = the bush regime shouldn=B4t be able to cover up its politics of = so-called anti-terrorism war with saddam=B4s mistreating of the iraqi people.=20 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: wouldn=B4t surprise me if he was hiding in some cia safehouse 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the = homefront (US/UK/EUR)? no=20 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? no, but I don=B4t feel prepared for getting hit by a truck either 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September = 11, 2001? no, and I find it interesting how the media focus shifted from osama = to saddam as public enemy no 1 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? at work, came home, switched on the TV, and couldn=B4t believe what I = saw. it felt sickeningly surreal=20 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office = would be: listen to what the american people has to say, instead of telling them = what to believe (yeah, maybe I shouldn=B4t comment on this, being = non-american, but, still...) 42) Tony Blair is a: _________. tory in disguise 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American = Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: why not walt disney? 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling = why you feel this way. Support your argument:=20 true, which is why I believe he is where he is. he=B4s in the hands of = his advisors, easy to handle. they just have to make sure he sticks to = the script 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own = situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? the clinton administration seemed more humanitarian than the present. = but politics is about image-making. the world seemed a less hostile = place anyway during clinton ::::END:::: ------=_NextPart_000_015C_01C3C77A.2D5AAA80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alex=20 Smith
Sent: Thursday, December 18, = 2003 7:17=20 PM
Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR = `03



1) Your Name:
gabriella wingardh

2) Your=20 Age:
37

3) Are you married and have = you any=20 children?
no & no

4) I live = here:
stockholm, sweden

5) I've been a member of the Gathering since:
couple of months on the list, = but kj has has=20 been a major provider to the soundtrack of my id since -81=20

6) What do you want for X-mas?
a latex santa :-)

7) Your biggest extravagance of the = year?
having my flat redecorated

8) Your biggest hopes for = 2004?
I=B4ll be up to my ears in work, so I hope I=B4ll have some time = for a life=20 as well

9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is = it?
haven=B4t bought anything for some time, but I guess =CD=B4ll be = getting some=20 more autechre stuff

10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your = top five=20 favorite releases of the year?
hhmm

11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they = rate?
was supposed to see jane=B4s addiction and death in june. = couldn=B4t make=20 either of them, unfortunately

12) Worst music you heard all = year:
evanescence. among the lot haha

13) If I find out that the = person=20 I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I lose all interest in = talking to=20 them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music)
power ballads

14) Band(s) most in need of=20 reforming/touring/releasing new material:
hm, can=B4t think of any right now

15) Band(s) most in = need of=20 hanging it up and calling it a day:
U2

16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release = deluxe=20 stylee:
joy division
PIL
the cramps

17) Most overrated music of the year:
just put on mtv

18) Most underrated music of the year:
killing joke

19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five = favorite=20 bands/artists are:
(the first five that came to mind, in no particular order)
tricky
diamanda galas
foetus
clint mansell
film soundtracks by graeme revell (formerly of SPK)

20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the=20 Internet
well, it=B4s getting better

22) Regarding the Joke, = despite all the=20 rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen:
a european tour, and a new record out

23) Did you get to = see=20 Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction
no, not this one. if there=B4s another tour 2004, I=B4ll = definitely=20 will

24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, = other than=20 the red Krusty Clown?
I=B4d have liked something that gave the same feel as "what=B4s = this for?"=20

25) Favorite track on the new album:
blood on your hands

26) Least favorite track on the new=20 album:
you=B4ll never get to me

27) Were it up to you to have = chosen the=20 first single, it would have been:
seeing red

28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the = Devil" as=20 yet? Your thoughts?
nope. where can I get a copy?

29) Outside of Andy Gill, = who would=20 you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record?
flood aka jim thirlwell

30) Killing Joke track that best = sums up=20 the world today:
empire song

31) Have you bought anything from Malicious = Damage=20 yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR?
er, no :-)

32) Goods you'd like to see made available on = Mike=20 Coles estimable site?
more brainchildren of mike cole=B4s creative genius

33) = Following=20 the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House:
robert anton wilson

34) Do you feel 'safer' now that = Saddam=20 Hussein has been apprehended?
I don=B4t feel safer or less safer. what I do feel, is don=B4t = hype up=20 even more paranoia. scared people en masse are more = frightening.

35)=20 Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way:
have him face a tribunal in iraq, let the iraqis themselves judge = him.=20 the bush regime shouldn=B4t be able to cover up its politics of = so-called=20 anti-terrorism war with
saddam=B4s mistreating of the iraqi people. =

36) Where is Osama Bin Laden:
wouldn=B4t surprise me if he was hiding in some cia = safehouse

37)=20 Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the = homefront=20 (US/UK/EUR)?
no

38) Do you feel prepared for another such = instance?
no, but I don=B4t feel prepared for getting hit by a truck=20 either

39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events = of=20 September 11, 2001?
no, and I find it interesting how the media focus shifted from = osama to=20 saddam as public enemy no 1

40) Where were you/what were you = doing on=20 that day?
at work, came home, switched on the TV, and couldn=B4t = believe what I=20 saw. it felt sickeningly surreal 
 
41) Were you the next American president, your first act in = office would=20 be:
listen to what the american people has to say, instead of telling = them=20 what to believe (yeah, maybe I shouldn=B4t comment on this, being = non-american, but, still...)

42) Tony Blair is a: _________.
tory in disguise

43) They want replace Franklin Delano = Roosevelt's=20 face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your = reaction:
why not walt disney?

44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True = or=20 False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your = argument:=20
true, which is why I believe he is where he is. he=B4s in the = hands of his=20 advisors, easy to handle. they just have to make sure he sticks to the = script

45) Under which American administration was the = world/your own=20 situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's?
the clinton administration seemed more humanitarian than = the=20 present. but politics is about image-making. the world seemed a less = hostile=20 place anyway during=20 clinton

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 ------=_NextPart_000_015C_01C3C77A.2D5AAA80-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 03:30:20 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bo Krogsgaard) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 04:30:20 +0100 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL / what the fuck?! In-Reply-To: <015f01c3c771$cbd658c0$030c43d5@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3FE521DC.709.5B95BD5@localhost> On 21 Dec 2003 at 4:23, Gabriella Wing=E5rdh wrote: > flood aka jim thirlwell Do you Swedish people have drugs we don't here? b From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 03:41:20 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gabriella_Wing=E5rdh?=) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 04:41:20 +0100 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL / what the fuck?! References: <3FE521DC.709.5B95BD5@localhost> Message-ID: <000901c3c774$4c7bc760$030c43d5@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Bo Krogsgaard" To: Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 4:30 AM Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL / what the fuck?! don=B4t know bo. why do you ask? cheers! gabriella > On 21 Dec 2003 at 4:23, Gabriella Wing=E5rdh wrote: >=20 > > flood aka jim thirlwell >=20 > Do you Swedish people have drugs we don't here? >=20 >=20 > b >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 03:44:28 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bo Krogsgaard) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 04:44:28 +0100 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL / what the fuck?! In-Reply-To: <000901c3c774$4c7bc760$030c43d5@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3FE5252C.4626.5C64D3A@localhost> On 21 Dec 2003 at 4:41, Gabriella Wing=E5rdh wrote: > don=B4t know bo. why do you ask? Are you trying to tell me that Flood and James Thirlwell are the one and same person? b From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 03:50:56 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gabriella_Wing=E5rdh?=) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 04:50:56 +0100 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL / what the fuck?! References: <3FE5252C.4626.5C64D3A@localhost> Message-ID: <000701c3c775$a3bd5060$030c43d5@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Bo Krogsgaard" To: Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 4:44 AM Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL / what the fuck?! > On 21 Dec 2003 at 4:41, Gabriella Wing=E5rdh wrote: >=20 >oh, now I see what you mean. no I don=B4t. being dead tired here early = morning, was thinking of a few names, so this is a typo. or became and = became aka... >=20 > Are you trying to tell me that Flood and James Thirlwell are the one = and=20 > same person? >=20 >=20 > b >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 03:54:13 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gabriella_Wing=E5rdh?=) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 04:54:13 +0100 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL / what the fuck?! References: <3FE5252C.4626.5C64D3A@localhost> Message-ID: <000f01c3c776$1935cb10$030c43d5@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Bo Krogsgaard" To: Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 4:44 AM Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL / what the fuck?! so I meant thirlwell OR flood > On 21 Dec 2003 at 4:41, Gabriella Wing=E5rdh wrote: >=20 > > don=B4t know bo. why do you ask? >=20 > Are you trying to tell me that Flood and James Thirlwell are the one = and=20 > same person? >=20 >=20 > b >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 03:56:31 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bo Krogsgaard) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 04:56:31 +0100 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL / what the fuck?! In-Reply-To: <000701c3c775$a3bd5060$030c43d5@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3FE527FF.3688.5D15735@localhost> On 21 Dec 2003 at 4:50, Gabriella Wing=E5rdh wrote: > oh, now I see what you mean. no I don=B4t. being dead tired here early m= orning, was thinking of a few names, so this is a typo. or became and beca= me aka... Ah okay .. don't like my world being shaken at 5AM :> b From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 04:14:27 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 22:14:27 -0600 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL / what the fuck?! In-Reply-To: <3FE527FF.3688.5D15735@localhost> Message-ID: drink a beer, masturbate, and go to bed, Bo...hahaha Cheers Ne Plus Ultra, Occisio Locatio The Web Master, Jester www.killing-joke.com -----Original Message----- From: Bo Krogsgaard [mailto:t23@mother.brap.dk] Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 9:57 PM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL / what the fuck?! On 21 Dec 2003 at 4:50, Gabriella Wingĺrdh wrote: > oh, now I see what you mean. no I don´t. being dead tired here early morning, was thinking of a few names, so this is a typo. or became and became aka... Ah okay .. don't like my world being shaken at 5AM :> b _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 04:31:21 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bo Krogsgaard) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 05:31:21 +0100 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL / what the fuck?! In-Reply-To: References: <3FE527FF.3688.5D15735@localhost> Message-ID: <3FE53029.5530.5F13B40@localhost> On 20 Dec 2003 at 22:14, Jester wrote: > drink a beer, masturbate, and go to bed, Bo...hahaha I would if it wouldn't make you smile, creamface! b From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 05:25:22 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alexander Smith) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 00:25:22 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031220183337.029a8ba0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <12CDFF34-3376-11D8-8E9D-000A95E608B4@earthlink.net> My comment was only an assertion that I obviously touched a nerve with you given your own particular background. To suggest that I'm prejudiced against all Christians because I don't like Christian Rock is like saying I hate all Indians because I don't happen to like Chicken Vindaloo. I'm perfectly comfortable with my comments about Christian Rock. If you wanna go listen to it -- you have fun. You being an ex-Evangelical is your own problem. If you want to think I'm prejudiced because I don't like Christian Rock, then fine -- think that. Personally speaking, I'm not a a particular fan of *ANY* religion. As far as I'm concerned, it's a herculean waste of time, but I don't begrudge others for their adherence to the faith of their choice. Just don't ask me to partake. Happy Holidays. Alex in NYC On Saturday, December 20, 2003, at 09:41 PM, culture.virus wrote: > So were you actually going to respond with a reasoned defense of why > your statement was not prejudiced or were you just going to play some > sort of passive aggressive ad hominem game. Or have you decided that > since I once self identified as evangelical that I am obviously below > you and am not capable of seeing things in a objective light? Simply > reinforcing an air of prejudice with the comment below may just be a > wind-up but if not then would you please explain why you are not > prejudiced towards people of a particular faith? > > At 02:34 PM 12/20/03, you wrote: > >> " And as a former evangelical Xian myself..." >> >> >> Ah, there we go then. That explains it. >> >> Alex in NYC >> >> >> >> On Saturday, December 20, 2003, at 03:18 PM, culture.virus wrote: >> >>> That may be Greg, but that's not what was said. The statement was >>> that the music was by Xians and therefore moot. Evanescence's music >>> is not of the bible-thumping/converting variety. In fact their label >>> pulled their records from the shelves of Xian bookstores because >>> they are something of an anathema to that particular part of the >>> Xian subculture. And as a former evangelical Xian myself I'm well >>> aware of the subculture and it's thought patterns. I also know that >>> there are hundreds of bands in that genre who just want to make the >>> best music they can while not betraying firmly held religious >>> beliefs. Their music may reflect their beliefs, but they don't have >>> conversion as their primary focus. >>> >>> I also want to reiterate what I was saying before, if it's only >>> music by Xian's that is automatically bad, that is a prejudical >>> statement. I've never heard this list tolerate prejudice in any form >>> and for any off color remarks. Recently in the whole Peter West >>> fiasco somebody used the term "ragheads" to describe Islamic people >>> and was roundly chastised. Two days ago bluceree (and others in the >>> past) called Xians "god-botherers" and not an eyebrow raised. It's >>> really sad and laughable at the same. The one thing that won't be >>> tolerated is intolerance. Isn't that what you said? >>> >>> At 09:21 PM 12/19/03, you wrote: >>>> I think the reference to Christian music was specifically to >>>> Christian rock, the bible-thumping purist kind that has as its only >>>> goal the conversion of everyone to Christianity. Their listeners >>>> often listen to no other music, for fear of being sinners. By the >>>> way, religious reggae music is usually Rastifarian, which is a >>>> different religion that Christianity (although it has aspect of it, >>>> as well as Judaism). I don't think it's prejudiced to criticize a >>>> type of music that is only bent on converting people, and tends to >>>> have listeners that are intolerant of others (such as gays and >>>> atheists). >>> >>> I am culturevirus > > I am culturevirus > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 05:36:17 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Cliff and Kara Livingston) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 20:36:17 -0900 Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? References: <12CDFF34-3376-11D8-8E9D-000A95E608B4@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <008d01c3c784$5ffe07c0$308f70d1@antifrz> damn this ot is getting thick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Smith" To: Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? > > My comment was only an assertion that I obviously touched a nerve with > you given your own particular background. To suggest that I'm > prejudiced against all Christians because I don't like Christian Rock > is like saying I hate all Indians because I don't happen to like > Chicken Vindaloo. > > I'm perfectly comfortable with my comments about Christian Rock. If you > wanna go listen to it -- you have fun. You being an ex-Evangelical is > your own problem. If you want to think I'm prejudiced because I don't > like Christian Rock, then fine -- think that. > > Personally speaking, I'm not a a particular fan of *ANY* religion. As > far as I'm concerned, it's a herculean waste of time, but I don't > begrudge others for their adherence to the faith of their choice. Just > don't ask me to partake. > > Happy Holidays. > > Alex in NYC > > > On Saturday, December 20, 2003, at 09:41 PM, culture.virus wrote: > > > So were you actually going to respond with a reasoned defense of why > > your statement was not prejudiced or were you just going to play some > > sort of passive aggressive ad hominem game. Or have you decided that > > since I once self identified as evangelical that I am obviously below > > you and am not capable of seeing things in a objective light? Simply > > reinforcing an air of prejudice with the comment below may just be a > > wind-up but if not then would you please explain why you are not > > prejudiced towards people of a particular faith? > > > > At 02:34 PM 12/20/03, you wrote: > > > >> " And as a former evangelical Xian myself..." > >> > >> > >> Ah, there we go then. That explains it. > >> > >> Alex in NYC > >> > >> > >> > >> On Saturday, December 20, 2003, at 03:18 PM, culture.virus wrote: > >> > >>> That may be Greg, but that's not what was said. The statement was > >>> that the music was by Xians and therefore moot. Evanescence's music > >>> is not of the bible-thumping/converting variety. In fact their label > >>> pulled their records from the shelves of Xian bookstores because > >>> they are something of an anathema to that particular part of the > >>> Xian subculture. And as a former evangelical Xian myself I'm well > >>> aware of the subculture and it's thought patterns. I also know that > >>> there are hundreds of bands in that genre who just want to make the > >>> best music they can while not betraying firmly held religious > >>> beliefs. Their music may reflect their beliefs, but they don't have > >>> conversion as their primary focus. > >>> > >>> I also want to reiterate what I was saying before, if it's only > >>> music by Xian's that is automatically bad, that is a prejudical > >>> statement. I've never heard this list tolerate prejudice in any form > >>> and for any off color remarks. Recently in the whole Peter West > >>> fiasco somebody used the term "ragheads" to describe Islamic people > >>> and was roundly chastised. Two days ago bluceree (and others in the > >>> past) called Xians "god-botherers" and not an eyebrow raised. It's > >>> really sad and laughable at the same. The one thing that won't be > >>> tolerated is intolerance. Isn't that what you said? > >>> > >>> At 09:21 PM 12/19/03, you wrote: > >>>> I think the reference to Christian music was specifically to > >>>> Christian rock, the bible-thumping purist kind that has as its only > >>>> goal the conversion of everyone to Christianity. Their listeners > >>>> often listen to no other music, for fear of being sinners. By the > >>>> way, religious reggae music is usually Rastifarian, which is a > >>>> different religion that Christianity (although it has aspect of it, > >>>> as well as Judaism). I don't think it's prejudiced to criticize a > >>>> type of music that is only bent on converting people, and tends to > >>>> have listeners that are intolerant of others (such as gays and > >>>> atheists). > >>> > >>> I am culturevirus > > > > I am culturevirus > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 06:05:16 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 00:05:16 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] Oi! In-Reply-To: <12CDFF34-3376-11D8-8E9D-000A95E608B4@earthlink.net> from "Alexander Smith" at Dec 21, 2003 12:25:22 AM Message-ID: <200312210605.hBL65GcO023394@basil.jkm.net> My perception was that Alex was slagging dismissing Evanescence *because they were Christian*. This bothered me, because I am Christian, but it seems to be one of the last things that are okay to slag -- like fat chicks -- so I let it go. I don't care for the Christian Rock genre, and if that is indeed all you meant to say, Alex, I believe you've said so, and further discussion if any ought to focus on that genre. Or we can discuss Bollywood, or.... Kinda cracked me up that The Darkness turned up early on a Saturday morning to sign autographs of their Christmas single -- not much pre-announcement according to what I've read. Make sure you tell the ones who might be inclined to give you a Christmas pressy NOT to give you that single ;-) as they are trying to win the #1 Christmas single competition (I always did used to wonder why UK bands seemed to put out Christmassy stuff -- more for the fans to buy, or a promotional act?) From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 06:14:47 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bo Krogsgaard) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 07:14:47 +0100 Subject: [kj] Oi! In-Reply-To: <200312210605.hBL65GcO023394@basil.jkm.net> References: <12CDFF34-3376-11D8-8E9D-000A95E608B4@earthlink.net> from "Alexander Smith" at Dec 21, 2003 12:25:22 AM Message-ID: <3FE54867.21653.64FEBCF@localhost> On 21 Dec 2003 at 0:05, Amy Moseley Rupp wrote: > This bothered me, because I am Christian Nothing wrong in being Christian, or anything else, as long as people don't shove it into your face. Reminds me of an old postcard i have, the Pope, looking all shaggy wearing dirty clothes, and the speech bubble going KISS MY RING! b From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 06:17:40 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bo Krogsgaard) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 07:17:40 +0100 Subject: [kj] [OT but also OT] ..|. Message-ID: <3FE54914.12255.6528FB4@localhost> http://www.boneyourmother.com/random/430.jpg There is a subliminal message in this. People like ade and Marc are allowed to just laugh. b From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 06:36:58 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 00:36:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] Oi! In-Reply-To: <3FE54867.21653.64FEBCF@localhost> from "Bo Krogsgaard" at Dec 21, 2003 07:14:47 AM Message-ID: <200312210636.hBL6awYd023560@basil.jkm.net> > Nothing wrong in being Christian, or anything else, as long as people don't shove it into your > face. That's the trouble with it though. How do you successfully belong to a religion that, in some interpretations, *requires* you to be evangelical to the point of pestilence lest a lack of attempt means someone rots in hell because you didn't enlighten them? This conundrum is up there with the interpretations of Islam that say that followers should not tolerate infidels or they aren't truly following the religion. You then get either: religions warring with each other, trying to annihilate the other or convert them (by force?) or ..... OR you get warring within religions as those of us who try to be at peace with the rest of the world are accused of not doing our duty, of NOT REALLY BELIEVING. Which pretty much sums up all of the religious wars we've ever seen. And are still seeing. Which is why I said: trying to converse on this subject is very unlikely to change someone's mind unless they *wanna* converse on it with an open mind, and in that case, they can seek out a dedicated forum. From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 06:54:05 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bo Krogsgaard) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 07:54:05 +0100 Subject: [kj] Oi! In-Reply-To: <200312210636.hBL6awYd023560@basil.jkm.net> References: <3FE54867.21653.64FEBCF@localhost> from "Bo Krogsgaard" at Dec 21, 2003 07:14:47 AM Message-ID: <3FE5519D.8356.673E652@localhost> On 21 Dec 2003 at 0:36, Amy Moseley Rupp wrote: > That's the trouble with it though. How do you successfully > belong to a religion that, in some interpretations, *requires* > you to be evangelical to the point of pestilence lest a lack > of attempt means someone rots in hell because you didn't > enlighten them? Bottle rockets. If you push something onto anybody, YOU should rot in hell. And no i do not mean you, Amy, just in general. I have worked with Jehovah's Witnesses, Scientology (who have their WHQ here), and quite a few others. I am non religious, but in no way atheist. two of my best friends are a Protestant priest and the head of the OTO here in Denmark, they give me input, i give them feedback, we sit down and drink coffee or beer or whatever, and we never have an argument over things. My brother is mainly Buddhist and we sit down and discuss viewpoints but we never argument over things (except when it comes to eating meat :> What is the fucking problem? Let me rot in hell, i do not hold contempt towards Christianity but i certainly don't like it either. b From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 07:57:43 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 01:57:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] Oi! In-Reply-To: <3FE5519D.8356.673E652@localhost> from "Bo Krogsgaard" at Dec 21, 2003 07:54:05 AM Message-ID: <200312210757.hBL7vhd3023977@basil.jkm.net> > > That's the trouble with it though. How do you successfully > > belong to a religion that, in some interpretations, *requires* > > you to be evangelical to the point of pestilence lest a lack > > of attempt means someone rots in hell because you didn't > > enlighten them? > > Bottle rockets. Yer missing something here -- *in some interpretations*. It's just like everything else: either people who believe themselves to be part of a cohesive group sit there and attack all those who are not "like" them, or they infight and try to excommunicate those who don't "believe" or "belong." It'd be nice to have a religious preference of tolerance, but two of the biggies, Christianity and Islam, are not exactly tolerant. Buddhism, as you mention, generally IS. Of course, it's doubtless that some Buddhists are intolerant, but the religion doesn't seem to *encourage* it. Very few people of *any* intelligence are unaware that proselytising of any sort is highly resented, especially when it comes to religion. Your point is taken, and in fact, is why I have said that trying to convince someone of something of this nature in a forum with diverse membership is not going to work. I guess I should add "and will piss some people off." My *only* real reason for speaking was to give my interpretation of Alex' original message and to say that his followups seem to be more specific to the musical genre and not the entire group of religious followers. But hell, as I say, if it helps to vent about a pet hate, feel free..... From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 08:11:48 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bo Krogsgaard) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:11:48 +0100 Subject: [kj] Oi! In-Reply-To: <200312210757.hBL7vhd3023977@basil.jkm.net> References: <3FE5519D.8356.673E652@localhost> from "Bo Krogsgaard" at Dec 21, 2003 07:54:05 AM Message-ID: <3FE563D4.32738.6BB0F19@localhost> On 21 Dec 2003 at 1:57, Amy Moseley Rupp wrote: > > Bottle rockets. > Yer missing something here -- *in some interpretations*. No, i am not missing anything here. > Buddhism, as you mention, > generally IS. Of course, it's doubtless that some Buddhists > are intolerant, but the religion doesn't seem to *encourage* it. Now you start to amuse me :) Listen, how hard can it be to take some person who is giving you shit and just laugh it off? I spent 34 years of my lifetime doing just so, and hey, i have been in two fights and less than five arguments during that time, how hard can it be? You Christians killed more people than the Black Plague so don't give me any rap about intolerance. No, Buddhism says every living thing should be preserved or something to that extent, i do not adhere to that but i surely think that any problem can be solved by the plain usage of communication and sometimes beer. > My *only* real reason for speaking was to give my > interpretation of Alex' original message and to say > that his followups seem to be more specific to the > musical genre and not the entire group of religious > followers. His hate is his problem and i couldn't care less. > But hell, as I say, if it helps to vent about a pet > hate, feel free..... Mnyeah, there are other places for that. b From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 08:20:17 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (culture.virus) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 00:20:17 -0800 Subject: [kj] OT: Culture Virus In-Reply-To: <8847B003-333C-11D8-8531-000A95E608B4@earthlink.net> References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031220104228.02a6aa70@127.0.0.1> <8847B003-333C-11D8-8531-000A95E608B4@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031220191407.029aac40@127.0.0.1> At 02:33 PM 12/20/03, you wrote: >:::sigh::: > >Cripes, when did you become such a hateful little creep? Truly Alex, I'm not hateful regarding this. As a matter of fact in general I hold you in pretty high esteem. >Or is this just some sort've wind-up? No, but I admit that I can wind things up abit. >In any event, here's my bottom line on the issue: I may fundamentally >disagree with Peter West on a variety of issues, but he's still as >entitled to his opinions as I am of mine. I don't take your responses as being such that you truly think that Peter was entitled too them. You and others IMO rightfully slapped him a bit for some of his statements. He wasn't just "entitled" too them because the list response was to tell him what an awful idiot he was and that his position reeked of intolerance and possibly racism. I think you and others on this list often display similar tendencies towards anyone that is a Christian. > I'd also like to re-emphasize the fact that the discussion he and I (and > several others) were involved with dealt with matters of larger scale > than dealing with something as ultimately trivial as entertainment/rock music. I granted you that before >Secondly, I think ChristianRock *DOES* suck. I think I resent it because >it comes across as entirely agenda-driven. That may not bug you, but it >bugs me. It doesn't mean I think they should all be rounded up and exiled, >it just means I'd prefer they kept their particular brand of >prosthletyzing to themselves. Agenda driven music can be distasteful. And it occurs all over the popular music scene. But you didn't say that. You didn't say that Xian rock sucks or even that agenda driven music sucks. You said music by Xians is automatically moot/sucks. Now maybe didn't mean that. Evanescence's music isn't of the prosylitizing variety as I pointed out in another post so they may suck in general but they are not like what you described above. In my experience most Xian artists just want to make the best music they can and not betray their beliefs. Do you really know that many bands in the little world that is the Xian rock scene? I think we would both agree that making quality music is not easy. In addition to the mastery of an instrument it takes things such as intelligence, drive, artistic vision and more. To me to say that a person of a particular faith is by default not capable of achieving such a high level mastery of particular area of human endeavor is the equivalent of other negative stereotypes. Do you see why I found your statement offensive? >"IMO you are protraying the trait of prejudice in your stance because you >don't automatically despise the output of people who are of other faiths, >only Xians. Therefore by displaying prejudice, and since it would appear >you view prejudice as a negative trait, you are in fact hypocritical. Now >most people, yourself included, might say that this is a minor issue, >we're only talking about entertainment. But anyone observing this list >from the outside would see that we hold popular music in high esteem. We >value it not only for it's artisitic qualities but for it's potential to >impact popular thinking and change society as we know it. So to >automatically write off an individual artists output solely because of >their faith is to not only limit your own listening choices, but it says >something about how you view Xians as a whole if you are so willing to >write off their artistic endeavors in a media that you hold in very high >esteem." > >I didn't say I *DESPISED* Christians (that's how you spell it, by the way) Yeah I know, what is it with you and Ross and this spelling thing? > because of their music, but rather that I don't think it's very good, or > at least it's not my cup of tea, or simply that I think it SUCKS (and I > still think that) for reasons I've expressed above. For what it's worth, > let's expand this.....I prefer my rock music to be ENTIRELY SECULAR. I can respect that you on the whole would prefer not to be prosylitized while listening to music. I can also respect that it's not always easy to be indifferent to music if it's lyrical content is something that you find particularly offensive or distasteful. Hell that's one of the things that conservative religious types will agree with you on. But look at your music collection. I'll bet we'll find music by acknowledged pagan and magickal types, Rastafarians, Buddhists, a Hindi or two, same with Islam, probably someone Jewish. I'll bet that some of that music has lyrical content that speaks of life from their particular spiritual knothole. Just to keep this on-topic, Jaz' lyrics are often spiritual in nature. I'd be willing to bet that you wouldn't automatically write-off all those artists just because they happen to share a bit about their beliefs in their music. If someone comes to you and says "this is a great a band, they've got a unique sound, they've got really good songs and they're Xian". Do you automatically say to yourself (or out loud), "Xian? No thanks, I already know it sucks" or "They could be the band of the decade and I still wouldn't own their records"? If your response is similar, but you wouldn't have that same response to the same description with the word Buddhist or Hindi inserted instead, then I'd say that yes you are prejudiced against Xians on that level and perhaps others as well. BTW just to show that I know you're not as bad as all that I'll bet you do have at least one release by an acknowledged Xian. Fer instance alot of people will have a Moby disc. Damn, long paragraph. Sorry to ramble so. >I do not decry other people for their respective faiths, but I'd rather >not be subjected to music that extols the tennets of said faith. If they >want to listen to it, bully for them, but don't ask me to enjoy it. > >"And after another 20 years you haven't matured enough to stop thumbing >your nose at a strawman? You should really be discussing this with your >parents and possibly a professional counselor. You're obviously horribly >scarred." > >You seem to think that I'm plagued by this, when in truth, I couldn't give >less of a damn. But, clearly, you're out either to wind me up or exact >revenge for touching on a nerve of yours with something I said earlier. >Either way, I resent your tone and your sentiment, and I'd thank you to >leave my parents out of this. That part was a bit of wind up. It was supposed to be laced with sarcasm. My apologies for my tone. Yes you did touch a nerve, I don't like intolerance and I always find it distasteful after seeing someone else bawled out for it. As I said, I see it on the list often in reference to Xians while intolerance of other religious groups would be roundly chastised. Did you see what I said about ragheads and god-botherers? >Shove it up your ass, while you're at it. Look being accused of intolerance is pretty harsh. I know it's something that most of us think we're above. And we may not see it in ourselves. People will often say things they don't realize may be offensive to people of groups that they may not know well. I think you're statements were intolerant and show some prejudice. You feel I'm blowing shit way out of proportion and that you are not at all intolerant towards Xians. I don't think you deserve to be censured or viewed as a mind-numbed bigot. That's not how I would describe you. I do think you should consider what I said. >Merry Christmas, Same to you, seriously >Alex in NYC I am culturevirus From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 08:23:48 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 02:23:48 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] Oi! In-Reply-To: <3FE563D4.32738.6BB0F19@localhost> from "Bo Krogsgaard" at Dec 21, 2003 09:11:48 AM Message-ID: <200312210823.hBL8NmR2024175@basil.jkm.net> > Listen, how hard can it be to take some person who is giving you shit and just laugh it off? I > spent 34 years of my lifetime doing just so, and hey, i have been in two fights and less than > five arguments during that time, how hard can it be? I generally *do* laugh it off. Where I tend to get into fights is when I (stupidly) try to intervene in a knockdown dragout between two fiercely opposed people, cos I see both sides. I end up seeing stars ;-) There's a fine line between being able to laugh something off, and dismissing everyone who doesn't agree with you as being wrong/insane/a jerk/whatever. I too prefer the first. From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 08:31:12 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bo Krogsgaard) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:31:12 +0100 Subject: [kj] Oi! In-Reply-To: <200312210823.hBL8NmR2024175@basil.jkm.net> References: <3FE563D4.32738.6BB0F19@localhost> from "Bo Krogsgaard" at Dec 21, 2003 09:11:48 AM Message-ID: <3FE56860.1438.6CCD149@localhost> On 21 Dec 2003 at 2:23, Amy Moseley Rupp wrote: > There's a fine line between being able to laugh something off, > and dismissing everyone who doesn't agree with you as being > wrong/insane/a jerk/whatever. I too prefer the first. See, then we agree, how hard was that? Your next mission is to convince about 20 other list members about the same :> b From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 08:35:08 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (culture.virus) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 00:35:08 -0800 Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031220183337.029a8ba0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031221002354.02a07050@127.0.0.1> At 06:52 PM 12/20/03, you wrote: >Even I, the king of OT posts, am sick of this shit..fucking hell you two. Go >meet in an alley some where and duke it out, or sword fight or something. Yeah perhaps it's time to end this the old fashioned way :^) >Culture Virus, don't call someone out, then act all offended when the return >fire. I'm not really all that offended. I've gotten used to this particular slant on the list and tolerate it despite it frequent occurences. From time to time I do call you guys on it. This time Alex got it. But I can take being offended as well you guys can. BTW you haven't listened in the past either. >Yes, you are below because you have to call up some obscure, obsolete >term for Christian to make your defense more viable. Is Xian really obscure to you guys? Maybe it's just that I travel in different circles. I spend a lot of my online time in Usenet groups that discuss things of a spiritual nature, so perhaps my view of common knowledge is different than y'alls. >Shut the fuck up now... > >Get the joke? I'm not sure, but truth be told I have no real interest in pursuing it anymore. Nor do I feel the need to be a "true believer". >Ne Plus Ultra, >Occisio Locatio > >The Web Master, >Jester >www.killing-joke.com I am culturevirus From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 08:43:06 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bo Krogsgaard) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:43:06 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031221002354.02a07050@127.0.0.1> References: Message-ID: <3FE56B2A.4165.6D7B8CC@localhost> On 21 Dec 2003 at 0:35, culture.virus wrote: > Is Xian really obscure to you guys? Only those who try to drag their believes over your head like a wet paper bag is annoying too. b From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 09:04:30 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Leigh Newton) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 01:04:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031220184143.029abec0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <20031221090430.72059.qmail@web10411.mail.yahoo.com> There's no way peter west is really Rangecroft. Leigh --- "culture.virus" wrote: > At 09:44 PM 12/19/03, you wrote: > >Just a couple of points..... > >1. I think we should probably leave off getting > excited about Peter West > >now, as the whole thing was obviously quite a > leg-pull.. and some of us at > >least have twigged who was probably behind it. As > usual, some are too dull > >to get the joke.... > > If you are implying that I am too dense I assure you > that it would not > surprise me to see Rangecroft pull such a joke. he's > proven himself to be > more than capable of such a ply. But I have not seen > any indication that it > was in fact him. Perhaps I missed the post, if so > please point it out to me. > > But the point remains that the responses to the > situation do show how > people feel about prejudice against folks on purely > religous or racial > grounds is deemed seriously undesirable by members > of this least. These > incidents have occurred often in the past and I've > commented on them before. > > >2. AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED (thought I would try > capitals, as this phrase is > >obviously otherwise invisible to some eyes) the > whole notion of 'tolerance' > >has to do with living and letting others live, and > not that much to do with > >the peculiar notions of the few thought-police > hanging around here who seem > >inordinately concerned that we think the 'right' > things. > > On the whole I'm not interested in thought policing. > As a matter of fact I > stayed out that entire thread even though I had > thoughts of my own on the > topic. Nor am I suggesting that Alex shouldn't post > how he feels about a > topic, even if it may be disruptive to people on the > list. But I do feel > that I have a right to express my opinion of what I > see just as others have > in regard to the Peter West fiasco. > > >I happen to carry > >around a whole bag of rather unwholesome > prejudices, and I frankly doubt if > >there are many of us who have thoroughly exorcised > these ....I despise all > >forms of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, and > rarely have much time for > >their adherents. > > How very sad for you. > > >I also hate the falseness of the term 'Xtian' - why > fly in > >the face of history and obscure an intelligible > term with a silly neologism > >that adds nothing? Or is the 'x' a kiss for a man > betrayed by one? > > I'm not sure what you mean by falseness here Ross. > The neologism as you put > it isn't that horribly new. IIRC X is the first > letter of "christ" in > greek. The term is often used in it's shortened form > on discussion lists > where spiritual matters are discussed. It also is > why Christmas is > sometimes shortened to Xmas. It just makes it > quicker to type. > > > >I find most queers extremely dull and irritating > company, and would like to > >see all the modest head-scarved women of Islam and > their cloistered > >Christian counterparts stripped naked, horsewhipped > and gang-raped by herds > >of goats in public. I won't even get started on the > Jews....( I find most > >Buddhists amiable fools, and have little beef with > Hindus) > > Ugh, seek help :^) > > >BUT....THE POINT IS......FREEDOM &TOLERANCE ( on my > terms, of course) are > >the ONLY social principles worth having, and they > encompass all others. > > They are without a doubt the cornerstone of western > civilization as we know > it and too a great degree civilization as a whole. > Maybe I'm just too > hippy/universal nice guy for my own good, but I > don't see what you're > saying above or Alex's comment as being particularly > "tolerant" in fact > quite the opposite. Notice that you've wished the > greatest ill (even in > jest) on the monotheists above while allowing that > "queers, Buddhists and > Hindi's" are merely annoying. BTW do have an extreme > dislike of neopagans, > Qabbalists, Crowleyites and other practitioners of > high magicks as well? > > >I > >would be the first to take up arms and leap into > the trenches in defence of > >the rights of any of the above-mentioned > pains-in-the-fecking-arse to > >continue to add to my existential discomfort. This > doesn't actually require > >that I like any of them. (Jacques Chirac should be > shot). > >So, now, take it easy : we're not the same. > > How gracious of you to let them live. But you > wouldn't want them living > next door right? BTW I'm not particularly would up > at the moment. > >Ye have been warned! > > Uh, thanks > > >Ross. > > I am culturevirus > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ===== http://www.daiquiri.tvheaven.com http://www.tweek.tvheaven.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 09:45:14 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 03:45:14 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? In-Reply-To: <20031221090430.72059.qmail@web10411.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 12/21/03 3:04 AM, "Leigh Newton" wrote: > There's no way peter west is really Rangecroft. > > Leigh > Well, if it IS Range, he has really lost his touch. Paul is usually a lot better than this with his windups and fun. KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 09:54:43 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 03:54:43 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about KILLING JOKE here? In-Reply-To: <006e01c3c76d$ecc80500$308f70d1@antifrz> Message-ID: On 12/20/03 8:55 PM, "Cliff and Kara Livingston" wrote: > K I L L I N G > J O K E Ya know, I hear they are a really good band. I think a new album just came out too. We should, perhaps, talk about them sometime. Whaddya guys think??? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "culture.virus" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 5:41 PM > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? > > >> So were you actually going to respond with a reasoned defense of why your >> statement was not prejudiced or were you just going to play some sort of >> passive aggressive ad hominem game. Or have you decided that since I once >> self identified as evangelical that I am obviously below you and am not >> capable of seeing things in a objective light? Simply reinforcing an air > of >> prejudice with the comment below may just be a wind-up but if not then >> would you please explain why you are not prejudiced towards people of a >> particular faith? >> >> At 02:34 PM 12/20/03, you wrote: >> KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 09:58:43 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 03:58:43 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031221002354.02a07050@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: On 12/21/03 2:35 AM, "culture.virus" wrote: > At 06:52 PM 12/20/03, you wrote: >> Even I, the king of OT posts, am sick of this shit..fucking hell you two= . Go >> meet in an alley some where and duke it out, or sword fight or something= . >=20 > Yeah perhaps it's time to end this the old fashioned way :^) Ok, cool. I will sell the tix and the rights for pay per view. >=20 >=20 >> Culture Virus, don't call someone out, then act all offended when the re= turn >> fire. >=20 > I'm not really all that offended. I've gotten used to this particular sla= nt > on the list and tolerate it despite it frequent occurences. Yeah, we pretty much hate all things holy. Were a bunch of heretics and heathens that listen to death metal, and kill small animals too. Fuck the Christians. > From time to=20 > time I do call you guys on it. This time Alex got it. But I can take bein= g > offended as well you guys can. BTW you haven't listened in the past eithe= r. That=B9s cause your better than us. We actually should be lined up and shot for our thoughts, much less what we say, and act upon. Listen? Me? Huh?=20 >=20 >> Yes, you are below because you have to call up some obscure, obsolete >> term for Christian to make your defense more viable. >=20 > Is Xian really obscure to you guys? Maybe it's just that I travel in > different circles. I spend a lot of my online time in Usenet groups that > discuss things of a spiritual nature, so perhaps my view of common > knowledge is different than y'alls. Wow...your a smart feller. Look, and ya even talk down to the Texass level by usin' our quaint language...see that y'all!?!?! >=20 >> Shut the fuck up now... >>=20 >> Get the joke? >=20 > I'm not sure, but truth be told I have no real interest in pursuing it > anymore. Nor do I feel the need to be a "true believer". Cool. It shows. Anyway.....from the looks of this shit...going on all night...am I the only one that actively gets laid on the list because this type of shit is all anyone has to post about, through out a Saturday night/Sunday morning? Jesu= s people, go out, have a beer or ten, get laid and post about that. Much more interesting OT reading for a Saturday night into Sunday. Log off for over three hours and come back...you lot are still going on about this...sheese... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 09:59:38 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bo Krogsgaard) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 10:59:38 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about KILLING JOKE here? In-Reply-To: References: <006e01c3c76d$ecc80500$308f70d1@antifrz> Message-ID: <3FE57D1A.31564.71DC883@localhost> On 21 Dec 2003 at 3:54, Jester wrote: > Ya know, I hear they are a really good band. I think a new album just came > out too. We should, perhaps, talk about them sometime. Whaddya guys think??? They suck, never heard of them so they gotta suck. b From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 10:06:28 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bo Krogsgaard) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:06:28 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031221002354.02a07050@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <3FE57EB4.2541.72409E0@localhost> On 21 Dec 2003 at 3:58, Jester wrote: > Fuck the Christians. Fuck the Thelemites too while you're at it. b 93 93/93 From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 10:26:59 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 05:26:59 -0500 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Message-ID: <43FBDB69.69669ED6.0004DF86@aol.com> >1) Your Name: JAMIE >2) Your Age: 37 >3) Are you married and have you any children? NOT MARRIED. 2 KIDS (14 YEARS AND 20 MONTHS) > >4) I live here: LONDON > >5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: 97 OR 98 >6) What do you want for X-mas? FANTASY: A LANDROVER 101 REALITY: USUAL STUFF - BOOKS, CD'S, ETC >7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? JOKE STUFF, PROBABLY. >8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? WORLD PEACE, FAILING THAT, DOMESTIC PEACE! >9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: POSSIBLY JOE STRUMMER & THE MESCALEROS "STREETCORE" - PATCHY BUT GOOD. BROUGHT A LUMP TO MY THROAT HEARING HIM SING "I GOT TO HURRY UP BEFORE I GROW TOO OLD". >10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? MOST STUFF HAS PASSED ME BY - BUT STREETCORE IS GOOD. ALSO DON LETTS' BEST OF TROJAN RECORDS DOUBLE CD. >11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? PRIMAL SCREAM WERE GOOD AT READING FESTIVAL - EVERYTHING ELSE WAS NU-METAL / SO-CALLED PUNK E.G. SUM 41, LINKIN PARK, BETTER THAN JAKE. >12) Worst music you heard all year: SEE ABOVE >13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music) CAN'T GENERALISE ABOUT THIS. >14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: I WAS SORRY TO SEE LEFTFIELD SPLIT. >15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: THIS WOULD BE A *VERY* LONG LIST. >16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: MY PERSONAL CHOICE WOULD BE BRIGHTER THAN A THOUSAND SUNS - SOME STUNNING MUSIC IN THIS ALBUM, OFTEN OBSCURED BY EIGHTIES SYNTH-POP EFFECTS. >17) Most overrated music of the year: AGAIN, HOW LONG HAVE YOU GOT? >18) Most underrated music of the year: KILLING JOKE... BUT THAT'S BEEN TRUE FOR A *LONG* TIME. >19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: THIS CHANGES FREQUENTLY. I LISTEN TO A LOT OF OLD JAMAICAN SKA THESE DAYS. LESS AND LESS PUNK ROCK, TO BE HONEST, THOUGH THE STRANGLERS, THE CLASH, AND THE DEAD KENNEDYS ARE STILL FIRM FAVOURITES. >20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet THE OFFICIAL SITE WASN'T VERY IMPRESSIVE, WAS IT? AFTER THE DEMISE OF THE LAST LAUGH, MADANI AND JESTER HAVE DONE A FINE JOB OF PICKING UP THE TORCH... >22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: OFFICIAL RADIO SESSIONS CD. OTHER STUFF THAT COLESY HAS TALKED ABOUT. GEORDIE TO RE-DISCOVER THE INVENTIVENESS THAT CHARACTERISED MID-EIGHTIES JOKE. KJ TO DO THE NEXT ALBUM IN THE SAME STUDIO AT THE SAME TIME. THE LINE-UP TO BE THE SAME IN THE STUDIO AND LIVE. SAY GOODBYE TO GROHL. (GREAT DRUMMER, BUT A DISTRACTION, I FEEL - KJ IS A SIDE PROJECT FOR HIM. KJ NEED A DRUMMER WHO IS PREPARED TO GIVE EVERYTHING. FERGUSON WAS PERFECT IN THAT RESPECT; TED SEEMS A GOOD CANDIDATE.) DITTO YOUTH. I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR YOUTH AND HIS EARLY CONTRIBUTION TO KJ, AND I'M NOT MUSCIALLY TALENTED SO I CAN'T COMMENT ON HIS SKILL / LACK OF SKILL. BUT THESE DAYS HE HAS OTHER THINGS ON HIS MIND, WHEREAS RAVEN IS THE TRUE BELIEVER. >23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction YES, CAMDEN, BRISTOL, ASTORIA. FANTASTIC. I THINK CAMDEN MAY WELL HAVE BEEN MY BEST JOKE GIG EVER - THAT INCLUDES THE SUBTERRANIA! >24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? ANYTHING, REALLY. IT WAS CRAP. AND TO THINK WE COULD HAVE HAD SOMETHING BY COLES... WHAT A WASTE. >25) Favorite track on the new album: LOOSE CANNON, HAHAHA FOOLED YOU. SEEING RED, UNQUESTIONABLY. >26) Least favorite track on the new album: THERE ARE SEVERAL THAT DON'T REALLY FIRE ME UP. PROBABLY TOTAL INVASION. >27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: YES FOLKS, SEEING RED. >28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? NO >29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? CONNIE PLANK! >30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: BUTCHER. ALWAYS >31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? T-SHIRTS, BADGES. >32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? AN ALTERNATIVE CD COVER FOR THE LAST ALBUM >33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: PETER WEST >34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? NO >35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: SAME AS ANYONE ELSE, BUT ONCE CONVICTED HE SHOULD BE LOCKED UP FOREVER. >36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: REALLY? PROBABLY THE AFGHAN/PAKISTAN BORDER REGION. >37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? OF COURSE NOT >38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? I SUSPECT THAT THE MET AND MI5 ETC ARE BETTER PREPARED THAN THEY LET ON, BUT CHANCES ARE THAT SOMETHING BLOODY WILL HAPPEN IN LONDON. IF THE TERRORISTS ARE SUFFICIENTLY DETERMINED, THEY ONLY HAVE TO GET LUCKY ONCE (AS THE IRA SAID). >39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? DUH. >40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? WORKING AND THEN WATCHING TV AND TRYING TO GET THROUGH TO ALL MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS IN NYC. >41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: APPOINT JAZ COLEMAN AS VICE-PRESIDENT. SERIOUSLY, ALL SUCCESSFUL STRUGGLES AGAINST GUERRILLAS HAVE BEEN TWO-TRACK: GO AFTER THE HARD-CORE WITH NO COMPROMISE, WHILST ADDRESSING THE (USUALLY ECONOMIC) PROBLEMS THAT PROVIDE THEM WITH RECRUITS. PLUS I'D SPEND SOME OF THE VAST DEFENCE BUDGET PROVIDING PROPER EDUCATION AND HEALTH CARE FOR AMERICA'S POOR. >42) Tony Blair is: _________. SURPRISINGLY FOOLISH GIVEN HOW INTELLIGENT HE IS. >43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE STATE OF THE NATION. FDR BEGAN THE PROCESS OF HAULING AMERICA OUT OF THE DEPRESSION. HE ALSO SAW THAT THE ISOLATIONISTS / APPEASERS WERE WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, AND THAT IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THE USA WAS IN A SHOOTIN' WAR WITH GERMANY AND JAPAN. >44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: HE HAS PROBLEMS WITH WORDS, DOESN'T HE? BUT IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THAT HE'S ACTUALLY AN IDIOT. BUT THEN IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THAT HE ISN'T. >45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? THE WORLD: CLINTON'S ME: BUSH'S (FOR REASONS THAT ARE ENTIRELY COINCIDENTAL). From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 10:28:27 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 04:28:27 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? In-Reply-To: <3FE57EB4.2541.72409E0@localhost> Message-ID: On 12/21/03 4:06 AM, "Bo Krogsgaard" wrote: > On 21 Dec 2003 at 3:58, Jester wrote: > >> Fuck the Christians. > > Fuck the Thelemites too while you're at it. > Over and over and over again... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 11:39:14 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Cliff and Kara Livingston) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 02:39:14 -0900 Subject: [kj] NO MORE OT EVER Message-ID: <00b401c3c7b7$156ccba0$308f70d1@antifrz> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C3C76B.9F6DB0E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable NO MORE OFF TOPIC E-MAILS EVER...i want to instigate no more OT = e-mail,sick of this crap... Killing Joke is a great band,and i want to be a part of this group,but i = don't want any more goiddamn OT e-ails. ENUF ALREADY. the next person who sends OT is getting my wrath.....and anyone else who = sends OT is getting 100 plus OT personal mail from me ...i have 1,900 = gathering e-mails unread and i've had enuf bullshit...please send info = on Killing Joke...but give us a rest from the crap...if you have to talk = shit,please write on amessage board or go to the chatroom,ya wankers. 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NO MORE OFF TOPIC E-MAILS EVER...i want = to=20 instigate no more OT e-mail,sick of this crap...
Killing Joke is a great band,and i want = to be a=20 part of this group,but i don't want any more goiddamn OT e-ails. ENUF=20 ALREADY.
the next person who sends OT is getting = my=20 wrath.....and anyone else who sends OT is getting 100 plus OT personal = mail from=20 me ...i have 1,900 gathering e-mails unread and i've had enuf = bullshit...please=20 send info on Killing Joke...but give us a rest from the crap...if you = have to=20 talk shit,please write on amessage board or go to the chatroom,ya = wankers. UN OT=20 CLIFF
 
------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C3C76B.9F6DB0E0-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 11:34:28 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:34:28 -0000 Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? References: <7d.434df4f8.2d152d18@aol.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20031220104228.02a6aa70@127.0.0.1> <006f01c3c6bc$5c2b51c0$1fc683d9@ibm559c085> Message-ID: <000401c3c7b7$82fe91d0$03cdff3e@yourby3nr533ht> all the letter below says " Im an atheist",You only need three words,ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross O'Donoghue" To: Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 5:44 AM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? > Just a couple of points..... > 1. I think we should probably leave off getting excited about Peter West > now, as the whole thing was obviously quite a leg-pull.. and some of us at > least have twigged who was probably behind it. As usual, some are too dull > to get the joke.... > 2. AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED (thought I would try capitals, as this phrase is > obviously otherwise invisible to some eyes) the whole notion of 'tolerance' > has to do with living and letting others live, and not that much to do with > the peculiar notions of the few thought-police hanging around here who seem > inordinately concerned that we think the 'right' things. I happen to carry > around a whole bag of rather unwholesome prejudices, and I frankly doubt if > there are many of us who have thoroughly exorcised these ....I despise all > forms of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, and rarely have much time for > their adherents. I also hate the falseness of the term 'Xtian' - why fly in > the face of history and obscure an intelligible term with a silly neologism > that adds nothing? Or is the 'x' a kiss for a man betrayed by one? > I find most queers extremely dull and irritating company, and would like to > see all the modest head-scarved women of Islam and their cloistered > Christian counterparts stripped naked, horsewhipped and gang-raped by herds > of goats in public. I won't even get started on the Jews....( I find most > Buddhists amiable fools, and have little beef with Hindus) > BUT....THE POINT IS......FREEDOM &TOLERANCE ( on my terms, of course) are > the ONLY social principles worth having, and they encompass all others. I > would be the first to take up arms and leap into the trenches in defence of > the rights of any of the above-mentioned pains-in-the-fecking-arse to > continue to add to my existential discomfort. This doesn't actually require > that I like any of them. (Jacques Chirac should be shot). > So, now, take it easy : we're not the same. > Ye have been warned! > Ross. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: culture.virus > To: > Cc: > Sent: 20 Aralýk 2003 Cumartesi 21:53 > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? > > > > > > At 08:42 PM 12/19/03, Alex wrote: > > > > >Okay, here we go.... > > > > > >"Alex, do you not see your own hypocrisy?" > > > > > >No, but I *DO* see a big middle finger pointed right at YOU! > > > > I thought you might not. > > > > > > >"You and many others on the Gathering have blasted Peter for his > statements > > >about the 'sword of Islam' and then you turn around and paint all Xian > > >musician's art as moot simply > > >because of their religious beliefs?" > > > > > >You may notice, I wrote: "1. They're Christians, which renders their > music > > >instantly moot, as far as I'm concerned." There is a *HUGE* difference > > >between > > >decrying an entire faith as zombified zealots sworn to the abject > destruction > > >of all non-believers and expressing the opinion that "Christian Rock" > > >sucks so > > >bad that it's not even worth discussing...once again, AS FAR AS I'M > CONCERNED. > > > > I agree that there is BIG difference of scale. Nor was I implying that you > > have decried Xians as a whole. That being said you have made a prejudicial > > statement when you say "They're Christians, which renders their music > > instantly moot, as far as I'm concerned." You have prejudged all endeavors > > at music by Xians to be of such a nature as to "suck a giant bag of greasy > > dicks." > > > > > Peter was talking about warfare, I was discussing entertainment. Does > > >expressing my disdain for Evanescence's music mean that I think all > > >Christians are > > >the enemy? No, but it means I think their weak -ass attempts at rock suck > > >giant > > >bag of greasy dicks. > > > > > >"Bruce Cockburn is a Xian is his body of work moot?" > > > > > >I've never been a fan > > > > Nor am I a "fan" but it's obvious that his work in the singer/songwriter > > subgenre of rock is of very high stature. > > > > > > >"What about Dylan?" > > > > > >I've *NEVER* been a fan of Bob Dylan > > > > Maybe, but that doesn't undermine the "fact" that his work is legendary. > > Not to mention the fact that his Xian era works were probably among the > > most musically complex of his entire career. > > > > > > >*What about any number of classical composers?" > > > > > >That's not Rock. > > > > > >"And what about reggae?" > > > > > >That's not Christian, and technically, that's not rock either. > > > > AFAIC all modern music owes a good deal of it's roots to the blues and > > therefore rock as well. Reggae is a post rock and roll genre. > > > > > > >"Is it all moot because of their religious beliefs?" > > > > > >I never said that. My point was that Christian Rock sucks...a statement > I'll > > >stand behind. > > > > So is it only Xian attempts at pop/rock that are automatically bereft of > > musical value? You don't even have to hear it, it just automatically > sucks. > > Do you ever stop and wonder why right leaning people in the US accuse the > > left leaning of being elitist? > > > > > > >"After all a great deal of reggae is overtly religious in it's lyrical > > >content." > > > > > >True, but that's reggae. > > > > > >"Does Cat Stevens automatically suck because of his allegiance to Allah?" > > > > > >Did I ever suggest as much? > > > > So is it only Xian attempts at pop/rock that are automatically bereft of > > musical value? > > > > > > >"Do Live automatically suck because of the Buddhist slant?" > > > > > >No, they automatically suck BECAUSE THEY'RE LIVE!!!!! > > > > So is it only Xian attempts at pop/rock that are automatically bereft of > > musical value? > > > > > > >" When are you and the other members of this list going to see that > you're as > > >prejudiced and hateful as the people you condemn?" > > > > > >Number one, I'm not PRE-JUDGING Evanescence. I've had the TREMENDOUS > > >MISFORTUNE of hearing their music....thus, my judgement of them is based > > >on the > > >evidence, not on preconceptions. > > > > No you're not prejudging Evanescence, you're prejudging all acknowledged > > Xian Rock as sucking. In fact if I stripped your statement out of it's > > original context you stated that any music by a Xian is moot. You don't > see > > that as being prejudicial? So as I tried to say before the list, you > > included, were slagging Peter for the trait of prejudice, a trait most of > > us see as a negative. IMO you are protraying the trait of prejudice in > your > > stance because you don't automatically despise the output of people who > are > > of other faiths, only Xians. Therefore by displaying prejudice, and since > > it would appear you view prejudice as a negative trait, you are in fact > > hypocritical. > > > > Now most people, yourself included, might say that this is a minor issue, > > we're only talking about entertainment. But anyone observing this list > from > > the outside would see that we hold popular music in high esteem. We value > > it not only for it's artisitic qualities but for it's potential to impact > > popular thinking and change society as we know it. So to automatically > > write off an individual artists output solely because of their faith is to > > not only limit your own listening choices, but it says something about how > > you view Xians as a whole if you are so willing to write off their > artistic > > endeavors in a media that you hold in very high esteem. > > > > >Moreover, after fourteen years of Catholic > > >education, I feel no qualms about speaking out about a faith I was raised > > >within. > > > > And after another 20 years you haven't matured enough to stop thumbing > your > > nose at a strawman? You should really be discussing this with your parents > > and possibly a professional counselor. You're obviously horribly scarred. > > > > > > >" BTW I'm no fan of Evanescence either." > > > > > >How nice for you. > > > > > >Alex in NYC > > >reply to home e-mail: vassifer@earthlink.net > > > > I am culturevirus > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 11:58:31 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Antoni Adamiak) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:58:31 -0000 Subject: [kj] NO MORE OT EVER References: <00b401c3c7b7$156ccba0$308f70d1@antifrz> Message-ID: <006e01c3c7b9$c1636660$18887ed4@mydomain.com> Hey Cliff, we've tried all this before (like asking folks to consider using The Gathering message board) but you can lead a horse to water and all that ... nowt wrong with a bit of OT but some people (not naming names) post here like it's a message board ... if we all took that approach we'd be snowed under ... just needs a bit of respect for others ... the list doesn't need policing but an occasional but polite reminder should do the trick and we'll all be happy bunnies ... anyway, it doesn't look like the band will be touring again until the summer ... plenty of scope for OT over the coming months methinks ... * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff and Kara Livingston" To: Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 11:39 AM Subject: [kj] NO MORE OT EVER NO MORE OFF TOPIC E-MAILS EVER...i want to instigate no more OT e-mail,sick of this crap... Killing Joke is a great band,and i want to be a part of this group,but i don't want any more goiddamn OT e-ails. ENUF ALREADY. the next person who sends OT is getting my wrath.....and anyone else who sends OT is getting 100 plus OT personal mail from me ...i have 1,900 gathering e-mails unread and i've had enuf bullshit...please send info on Killing Joke...but give us a rest from the crap...if you have to talk shit,please write on amessage board or go to the chatroom,ya wankers. UN OT CLIFF From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 11:56:38 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 05:56:38 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] Oi! In-Reply-To: <3FE56860.1438.6CCD149@localhost> from "Bo Krogsgaard" at Dec 21, 2003 09:31:12 AM Message-ID: <200312211156.hBLBucej025266@basil.jkm.net> > Your next mission is to convince about 20 other list members about the same :> Only twenty? :-) Shouldn't be hard..... It is the holiday season for many around the world and of course in that strangely perverse manner some people are hurting -- from loneliness, from being unsure what to believe in (from being betrayed in the past), and so on.... peace, hope, and joy seem elusive. So when is it time to start posting New Years' resolutions? ;-) From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 19:51:41 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Ross O'Donoghue) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:51:41 +0200 Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? References: <7d.434df4f8.2d152d18@aol.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20031220104228.02a6aa70@127.0.0.1> <006f01c3c6bc$5c2b51c0$1fc683d9@ibm559c085> <000401c3c7b7$82fe91d0$03cdff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: <000f01c3c732$b109af40$14c683d9@ibm559c085> I'm far from being an atheist or even an agnostic.........but, hang on Peter, I already warned everybody else from taking you seriously, didn't I ? From: peter.west410 To: Sent: 21 Aralýk 2003 Pazar 13:34 Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? > all the letter below says " Im an atheist",You only need three words,ross > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ross O'Donoghue" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 5:44 AM > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? > > > > Just a couple of points..... > > 1. I think we should probably leave off getting excited about Peter West > > now, as the whole thing was obviously quite a leg-pull.. and some of us at > > least have twigged who was probably behind it. As usual, some are too dull > > to get the joke.... > > 2. AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED (thought I would try capitals, as this phrase > is > > obviously otherwise invisible to some eyes) the whole notion of > 'tolerance' > > has to do with living and letting others live, and not that much to do > with > > the peculiar notions of the few thought-police hanging around here who > seem > > inordinately concerned that we think the 'right' things. I happen to carry > > around a whole bag of rather unwholesome prejudices, and I frankly doubt > if > > there are many of us who have thoroughly exorcised these ....I despise all > > forms of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, and rarely have much time for > > their adherents. I also hate the falseness of the term 'Xtian' - why fly > in > > the face of history and obscure an intelligible term with a silly > neologism > > that adds nothing? Or is the 'x' a kiss for a man betrayed by one? > > I find most queers extremely dull and irritating company, and would like > to > > see all the modest head-scarved women of Islam and their cloistered > > Christian counterparts stripped naked, horsewhipped and gang-raped by > herds > > of goats in public. I won't even get started on the Jews....( I find most > > Buddhists amiable fools, and have little beef with Hindus) > > BUT....THE POINT IS......FREEDOM &TOLERANCE ( on my terms, of course) are > > the ONLY social principles worth having, and they encompass all others. I > > would be the first to take up arms and leap into the trenches in defence > of > > the rights of any of the above-mentioned pains-in-the-fecking-arse to > > continue to add to my existential discomfort. This doesn't actually > require > > that I like any of them. (Jacques Chirac should be shot). > > So, now, take it easy : we're not the same. > > Ye have been warned! > > Ross. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: culture.virus > > To: > > Cc: > > Sent: 20 Aralýk 2003 Cumartesi 21:53 > > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? > > > > > > > > > > At 08:42 PM 12/19/03, Alex wrote: > > > > > > >Okay, here we go.... > > > > > > > >"Alex, do you not see your own hypocrisy?" > > > > > > > >No, but I *DO* see a big middle finger pointed right at YOU! > > > > > > I thought you might not. > > > > > > > > > >"You and many others on the Gathering have blasted Peter for his > > statements > > > >about the 'sword of Islam' and then you turn around and paint all Xian > > > >musician's art as moot simply > > > >because of their religious beliefs?" > > > > > > > >You may notice, I wrote: "1. They're Christians, which renders their > > music > > > >instantly moot, as far as I'm concerned." There is a *HUGE* difference > > > >between > > > >decrying an entire faith as zombified zealots sworn to the abject > > destruction > > > >of all non-believers and expressing the opinion that "Christian Rock" > > > >sucks so > > > >bad that it's not even worth discussing...once again, AS FAR AS I'M > > CONCERNED. > > > > > > I agree that there is BIG difference of scale. Nor was I implying that > you > > > have decried Xians as a whole. That being said you have made a > prejudicial > > > statement when you say "They're Christians, which renders their music > > > instantly moot, as far as I'm concerned." You have prejudged all > endeavors > > > at music by Xians to be of such a nature as to "suck a giant bag of > greasy > > > dicks." > > > > > > > Peter was talking about warfare, I was discussing entertainment. Does > > > >expressing my disdain for Evanescence's music mean that I think all > > > >Christians are > > > >the enemy? No, but it means I think their weak -ass attempts at rock > suck > > > >giant > > > >bag of greasy dicks. > > > > > > > >"Bruce Cockburn is a Xian is his body of work moot?" > > > > > > > >I've never been a fan > > > > > > Nor am I a "fan" but it's obvious that his work in the singer/songwriter > > > subgenre of rock is of very high stature. > > > > > > > > > >"What about Dylan?" > > > > > > > >I've *NEVER* been a fan of Bob Dylan > > > > > > Maybe, but that doesn't undermine the "fact" that his work is legendary. > > > Not to mention the fact that his Xian era works were probably among the > > > most musically complex of his entire career. > > > > > > > > > >*What about any number of classical composers?" > > > > > > > >That's not Rock. > > > > > > > >"And what about reggae?" > > > > > > > >That's not Christian, and technically, that's not rock either. > > > > > > AFAIC all modern music owes a good deal of it's roots to the blues and > > > therefore rock as well. Reggae is a post rock and roll genre. > > > > > > > > > >"Is it all moot because of their religious beliefs?" > > > > > > > >I never said that. My point was that Christian Rock sucks...a statement > > I'll > > > >stand behind. > > > > > > So is it only Xian attempts at pop/rock that are automatically bereft of > > > musical value? You don't even have to hear it, it just automatically > > sucks. > > > Do you ever stop and wonder why right leaning people in the US accuse > the > > > left leaning of being elitist? > > > > > > > > > >"After all a great deal of reggae is overtly religious in it's lyrical > > > >content." > > > > > > > >True, but that's reggae. > > > > > > > >"Does Cat Stevens automatically suck because of his allegiance to > Allah?" > > > > > > > >Did I ever suggest as much? > > > > > > So is it only Xian attempts at pop/rock that are automatically bereft of > > > musical value? > > > > > > > > > >"Do Live automatically suck because of the Buddhist slant?" > > > > > > > >No, they automatically suck BECAUSE THEY'RE LIVE!!!!! > > > > > > So is it only Xian attempts at pop/rock that are automatically bereft of > > > musical value? > > > > > > > > > >" When are you and the other members of this list going to see that > > you're as > > > >prejudiced and hateful as the people you condemn?" > > > > > > > >Number one, I'm not PRE-JUDGING Evanescence. I've had the TREMENDOUS > > > >MISFORTUNE of hearing their music....thus, my judgement of them is > based > > > >on the > > > >evidence, not on preconceptions. > > > > > > No you're not prejudging Evanescence, you're prejudging all acknowledged > > > Xian Rock as sucking. In fact if I stripped your statement out of it's > > > original context you stated that any music by a Xian is moot. You don't > > see > > > that as being prejudicial? So as I tried to say before the list, you > > > included, were slagging Peter for the trait of prejudice, a trait most > of > > > us see as a negative. IMO you are protraying the trait of prejudice in > > your > > > stance because you don't automatically despise the output of people who > > are > > > of other faiths, only Xians. Therefore by displaying prejudice, and > since > > > it would appear you view prejudice as a negative trait, you are in fact > > > hypocritical. > > > > > > Now most people, yourself included, might say that this is a minor > issue, > > > we're only talking about entertainment. But anyone observing this list > > from > > > the outside would see that we hold popular music in high esteem. We > value > > > it not only for it's artisitic qualities but for it's potential to > impact > > > popular thinking and change society as we know it. So to automatically > > > write off an individual artists output solely because of their faith is > to > > > not only limit your own listening choices, but it says something about > how > > > you view Xians as a whole if you are so willing to write off their > > artistic > > > endeavors in a media that you hold in very high esteem. > > > > > > >Moreover, after fourteen years of Catholic > > > >education, I feel no qualms about speaking out about a faith I was > raised > > > >within. > > > > > > And after another 20 years you haven't matured enough to stop thumbing > > your > > > nose at a strawman? You should really be discussing this with your > parents > > > and possibly a professional counselor. You're obviously horribly > scarred. > > > > > > > > > >" BTW I'm no fan of Evanescence either." > > > > > > > >How nice for you. > > > > > > > >Alex in NYC > > > >reply to home e-mail: vassifer@earthlink.net > > > > > > I am culturevirus > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gathering mailing list > > > Gathering@misera.net > > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 16:29:13 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (death wish) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:29:13 +0000 Subject: [kj] NO MORE OT EVER - filter? Message-ID: A question - can this list be set up with an OT filter. People on this list seem to be good enough to inlcude (OT) in their subject lines when discussing off-topic stuff, so people like me can just massdelete the messages from my inbox, but perhaps an option to automatically opt out of receiving any "OT" stuff would make everyone a lot happier. T. >From: "Cliff and Kara Livingston" >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >To: >Subject: [kj] NO MORE OT EVER >Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 02:39:14 -0900 > >NO MORE OFF TOPIC E-MAILS EVER...i want to instigate no more OT e-mail,sick >of this crap... >Killing Joke is a great band,and i want to be a part of this group,but i >don't want any more goiddamn OT e-ails. ENUF ALREADY. >the next person who sends OT is getting my wrath.....and anyone else who >sends OT is getting 100 plus OT personal mail from me ...i have 1,900 >gathering e-mails unread and i've had enuf bullshit...please send info on >Killing Joke...but give us a rest from the crap...if you have to talk >shit,please write on amessage board or go to the chatroom,ya wankers. UN OT >CLIFF _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 16:33:59 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (death wish) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:33:59 +0000 Subject: [kj] Portland Pics Message-ID: Just finally got around to these! Love the lightning sperm descending in pic 4. T. >From: >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >To: >Subject: [kj] Portland Pics >Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:00:03 -0500 > >Thanks to Jeff Sturges and his pal with the camera: > >http://www.an-irrational-domain.net/images/band2003/portland/portland1.html > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/features&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 16:39:34 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alexander Smith) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:39:34 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: Final Word on 'Christian Rawk' In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031220191407.029aac40@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <424C044F-33D4-11D8-BB6C-000A95E608B4@earthlink.net> --Apple-Mail-2--771705888 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed ****ALEX'S FINAL WORD ON THE GREAT CHRISTIAN ROCK WIND-UP OF 2003**** Culture Virus et al.,....... Seems we're all a little more reasonable on Sunday mornings. Wonder why that is! Look, in all candor, my initial comments about Evanescence were basically a dismisive joke. In truth, as Cutlure Virus, pointed out, their lyrics only *VAGUELY* (from what I can hear) allude to their faith. But, it has been largely documented that they sprang from the community of 'Christian Rock'. And seriously --- regardless of your spiritual leanings, you must admit me this: 'CHRISTIAN ROCK' AS A VIABLE GENRE is pretty damn awful (please read: CHRISTIAN ROCK and *NOT* Rock made by Musicians who *HAPPEN* to be Christians. I'm talking about a SPECIFIC GENRE). Said scene has yet to produce an act that is capable of transcending the limitations of their genre (i.e. constant allusions to worshiping the lord) and reached a larger audience. The only real example that comes to mind is fuckin' Creed (and please, please, please don't try to tell me that they don't suck!) But all those other bands: DC3, Jars of Clay and whatnot....regardless of their spirituality, I just happen to think their music isn't very good and that they're way too caught up in "the message". Now, does this mean that I think *ALL* music that is religiously devout stinks? Hell no. I just bought a compilation of Bhangra music, and that stuff's pretty damn devout. Perhaps I'm able to tolerate that because it is so comparitively exotic or more because your average Bhangra musician doesn't seem to be out to convert me. Maybe I'm wrong about that. I'm sorry if I ruffled your feathers. I only wish we were having this debate over something I'd said with a bit more conviction rather than as a passing, derisive jibe. Sorry I told you to shove it up your ass as well, but that's what you get when you call someone a scarred hypocrite in dire need of professional help. "Yeah I know, what is it with you and Ross and this spelling thing?" What's so tough about spelling it out? Worried that the big man upstairs is going to materialize like Hastur the Unspeakable and smite thee for blaspheming? (that was a joke, stay calm!) I'm really not interested in getting into any more stupid spats about fuckin' Religion (with you *OR* with the mysterious Mr.West) It's such a hot-button topic that only leads to needless acrimony. Peace on Earth, Good Will towards Killing Joke. Amen, Alex in NYC On Sunday, December 21, 2003, at 03:20 AM, culture.virus wrote: > At 02:33 PM 12/20/03, you wrote: > > >> :::sigh::: >> >> Cripes, when did you become such a hateful little creep? > > Truly Alex, I'm not hateful regarding this. As a matter of fact in > general I hold you in pretty high esteem. > >> Or is this just some sort've wind-up? > > No, but I admit that I can wind things up abit. > >> In any event, here's my bottom line on the issue: I may fundamentally >> disagree with Peter West on a variety of issues, but he's still as >> entitled to his opinions as I am of mine. > > I don't take your responses as being such that you truly think that > Peter was entitled too them. You and others IMO rightfully slapped him > a bit for some of his statements. He wasn't just "entitled" too them > because the list response was to tell him what an awful idiot he was > and that his position reeked of intolerance and possibly racism. I > think you and others on this list often display similar tendencies > towards anyone that is a Christian. > >> I'd also like to re-emphasize the fact that the discussion he and I >> (and several others) were involved with dealt with matters of larger >> scale than dealing with something as ultimately trivial as >> entertainment/rock music. > > I granted you that before > > >> Secondly, I think ChristianRock *DOES* suck. I think I resent it >> because it comes across as entirely agenda-driven. That may not bug >> you, but it bugs me. It doesn't mean I think they should all be >> rounded up and exiled, it just means I'd prefer they kept their >> particular brand of prosthletyzing to themselves. > > Agenda driven music can be distasteful. And it occurs all over the > popular music scene. But you didn't say that. You didn't say that Xian > rock sucks or even that agenda driven music sucks. You said music by > Xians is automatically moot/sucks. Now maybe didn't mean that. > > Evanescence's music isn't of the prosylitizing variety as I pointed > out in another post so they may suck in general but they are not like > what you described above. In my experience most Xian artists just want > to make the best music they can and not betray their beliefs. Do you > really know that many bands in the little world that is the Xian rock > scene? > > I think we would both agree that making quality music is not easy. In > addition to the mastery of an instrument it takes things such as > intelligence, drive, artistic vision and more. To me to say that a > person of a particular faith is by default not capable of achieving > such a high level mastery of particular area of human endeavor is the > equivalent of other negative stereotypes. Do you see why I found your > statement offensive? > > >> "IMO you are protraying the trait of prejudice in your stance because >> you don't automatically despise the output of people who are of other >> faiths, only Xians. Therefore by displaying prejudice, and since it >> would appear you view prejudice as a negative trait, you are in fact >> hypocritical. Now most people, yourself included, might say that this >> is a minor issue, we're only talking about entertainment. But anyone >> observing this list from the outside would see that we hold popular >> music in high esteem. We value it not only for it's artisitic >> qualities but for it's potential to impact popular thinking and >> change society as we know it. So to automatically write off an >> individual artists output solely because of their faith is to not >> only limit your own listening choices, but it says something about >> how you view Xians as a whole if you are so willing to write off >> their artistic endeavors in a media that you hold in very high >> esteem." >> >> I didn't say I *DESPISED* Christians (that's how you spell it, by the >> way) > > Yeah I know, what is it with you and Ross and this spelling thing? > >> because of their music, but rather that I don't think it's very >> good, or at least it's not my cup of tea, or simply that I think it >> SUCKS (and I still think that) for reasons I've expressed above. For >> what it's worth, let's expand this.....I prefer my rock music to be >> ENTIRELY SECULAR. > > I can respect that you on the whole would prefer not to be > prosylitized while listening to music. I can also respect that it's > not always easy to be indifferent to music if it's lyrical content is > something that you find particularly offensive or distasteful. Hell > that's one of the things that conservative religious types will agree > with you on. But look at your music collection. I'll bet we'll find > music by acknowledged pagan and magickal types, Rastafarians, > Buddhists, a Hindi or two, same with Islam, probably someone Jewish. > I'll bet that some of that music has lyrical content that speaks of > life from their particular spiritual knothole. Just to keep this > on-topic, Jaz' lyrics are often spiritual in nature. I'd be willing to > bet that you wouldn't automatically write-off all those artists just > because they happen to share a bit about their beliefs in their music. > If someone comes to you and says "this is a great a band, they've got > a unique sound, they've got really good songs and they're Xian". Do > you automatically say to yourself (or out loud), "Xian? No thanks, I > already know it sucks" or "They could be the band of the decade and I > still wouldn't own their records"? If your response is similar, but > you wouldn't have that same response to the same description with the > word Buddhist or Hindi inserted instead, then I'd say that yes you are > prejudiced against Xians on that level and perhaps others as well. BTW > just to show that I know you're not as bad as all that I'll bet you do > have at least one release by an acknowledged Xian. Fer instance alot > of people will have a Moby disc. > > Damn, long paragraph. Sorry to ramble so. > >> I do not decry other people for their respective faiths, but I'd >> rather not be subjected to music that extols the tennets of said >> faith. If they want to listen to it, bully for them, but don't ask me >> to enjoy it. >> >> "And after another 20 years you haven't matured enough to stop >> thumbing your nose at a strawman? You should really be discussing >> this with your parents and possibly a professional counselor. You're >> obviously horribly scarred." >> >> You seem to think that I'm plagued by this, when in truth, I couldn't >> give less of a damn. But, clearly, you're out either to wind me up or >> exact revenge for touching on a nerve of yours with something I said >> earlier. Either way, I resent your tone and your sentiment, and I'd >> thank you to leave my parents out of this. > > That part was a bit of wind up. It was supposed to be laced with > sarcasm. My apologies for my tone. > > Yes you did touch a nerve, I don't like intolerance and I always find > it distasteful after seeing someone else bawled out for it. As I said, > I see it on the list often in reference to Xians while intolerance of > other religious groups would be roundly chastised. Did you see what I > said about ragheads and god-botherers? > >> Shove it up your ass, while you're at it. > > Look being accused of intolerance is pretty harsh. I know it's > something that most of us think we're above. And we may not see it in > ourselves. People will often say things they don't realize may be > offensive to people of groups that they may not know well. I think > you're statements were intolerant and show some prejudice. You feel > I'm blowing shit way out of proportion and that you are not at all > intolerant towards Xians. I don't think you deserve to be censured or > viewed as a mind-numbed bigot. That's not how I would describe you. I > do think you should consider what I said. > > >> Merry Christmas, > > Same to you, seriously > > >> Alex in NYC > > I am culturevirus > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > --Apple-Mail-2--771705888 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII ****ALEX'S FINAL WORD ON THE GREAT CHRISTIAN ROCK WIND-UP OF 2003**** Culture Virus et al.,....... Seems we're all a little more reasonable on Sunday mornings. Wonder why that is! Look, in all candor, my initial comments about Evanescence were basically a dismisive joke. In truth, as Cutlure Virus, pointed out, their lyrics only *VAGUELY* (from what I can hear) allude to their faith. But, it has been largely documented that they sprang from the community of 'Christian Rock'. And seriously --- regardless of your spiritual leanings, you must admit me this: 'CHRISTIAN ROCK' AS A VIABLE GENRE is pretty damn awful (please read: CHRISTIAN ROCK and *NOT* Rock made by Musicians who *HAPPEN* to be Christians. I'm talking about a SPECIFIC GENRE). Said scene has yet to produce an act that is capable of transcending the limitations of their genre (i.e. constant allusions to worshiping the lord) and reached a larger audience. The only real example that comes to mind is fuckin' Creed (and please, please, please don't try to tell me that they don't suck!) But all those other bands: DC3, Jars of Clay and whatnot....regardless of their spirituality, I just happen to think their music isn't very good and that they're way too caught up in "the message". Now, does this mean that I think *ALL* music that is religiously devout stinks? Hell no. I just bought a compilation of Bhangra music, and that stuff's pretty damn devout. Perhaps I'm able to tolerate that because it is so comparitively exotic or more because your average Bhangra musician doesn't seem to be out to convert me. Maybe I'm wrong about that. I'm sorry if I ruffled your feathers. I only wish we were having this debate over something I'd said with a bit more conviction rather than as a passing, derisive jibe. Sorry I told you to shove it up your ass as well, but that's what you get when you call someone a scarred hypocrite in dire need of professional help. F29D,26EA,29C6"Yeah I know, what is it with you and Ross and this spelling thing?" What's so tough about spelling it out? Worried that the big man upstairs is going to materialize like Hastur the Unspeakable and smite thee for blaspheming? (that was a joke, stay calm!) I'm really not interested in getting into any more stupid spats about fuckin' Religion (with you *OR* with the mysterious Mr.West) It's such a hot-button topic that only leads to needless acrimony. Peace on Earth, Good Will towards Killing Joke. Amen, Alex in NYC On Sunday, December 21, 2003, at 03:20 AM, culture.virus wrote: At 02:33 PM 12/20/03, you wrote: :::sigh::: Cripes, when did you become such a hateful little creep? Truly Alex, I'm not hateful regarding this. As a matter of fact in general I hold you in pretty high esteem. Or is this just some sort've wind-up? No, but I admit that I can wind things up abit. In any event, here's my bottom line on the issue: I may fundamentally disagree with Peter West on a variety of issues, but he's still as entitled to his opinions as I am of mine. I don't take your responses as being such that you truly think that Peter was entitled too them. You and others IMO rightfully slapped him a bit for some of his statements. He wasn't just "entitled" too them because the list response was to tell him what an awful idiot he was and that his position reeked of intolerance and possibly racism. I think you and others on this list often display similar tendencies towards anyone that is a Christian. I'd also like to re-emphasize the fact that the discussion he and I (and several others) were involved with dealt with matters of larger scale than dealing with something as ultimately trivial as entertainment/rock music. I granted you that before Secondly, I think ChristianRock *DOES* suck. I think I resent it because it comes across as entirely agenda-driven. That may not bug you, but it bugs me. It doesn't mean I think they should all be rounded up and exiled, it just means I'd prefer they kept their particular brand of prosthletyzing to themselves. Agenda driven music can be distasteful. And it occurs all over the popular music scene. But you didn't say that. You didn't say that Xian rock sucks or even that agenda driven music sucks. You said music by Xians is automatically moot/sucks. Now maybe didn't mean that. Evanescence's music isn't of the prosylitizing variety as I pointed out in another post so they may suck in general but they are not like what you described above. In my experience most Xian artists just want to make the best music they can and not betray their beliefs. Do you really know that many bands in the little world that is the Xian rock scene? I think we would both agree that making quality music is not easy. In addition to the mastery of an instrument it takes things such as intelligence, drive, artistic vision and more. To me to say that a person of a particular faith is by default not capable of achieving such a high level mastery of particular area of human endeavor is the equivalent of other negative stereotypes. Do you see why I found your statement offensive? "IMO you are protraying the trait of prejudice in your stance because you don't automatically despise the output of people who are of other faiths, only Xians. Therefore by displaying prejudice, and since it would appear you view prejudice as a negative trait, you are in fact hypocritical. Now most people, yourself included, might say that this is a minor issue, we're only talking about entertainment. But anyone observing this list from the outside would see that we hold popular music in high esteem. We value it not only for it's artisitic qualities but for it's potential to impact popular thinking and change society as we know it. So to automatically write off an individual artists output solely because of their faith is to not only limit your own listening choices, but it says something about how you view Xians as a whole if you are so willing to write off their artistic endeavors in a media that you hold in very high esteem." I didn't say I *DESPISED* Christians (that's how you spell it, by the way) Yeah I know, what is it with you and Ross and this spelling thing? because of their music, but rather that I don't think it's very good, or at least it's not my cup of tea, or simply that I think it SUCKS (and I still think that) for reasons I've expressed above. For what it's worth, let's expand this.....I prefer my rock music to be ENTIRELY SECULAR. I can respect that you on the whole would prefer not to be prosylitized while listening to music. I can also respect that it's not always easy to be indifferent to music if it's lyrical content is something that you find particularly offensive or distasteful. Hell that's one of the things that conservative religious types will agree with you on. But look at your music collection. I'll bet we'll find music by acknowledged pagan and magickal types, Rastafarians, Buddhists, a Hindi or two, same with Islam, probably someone Jewish. I'll bet that some of that music has lyrical content that speaks of life from their particular spiritual knothole. Just to keep this on-topic, Jaz' lyrics are often spiritual in nature. I'd be willing to bet that you wouldn't automatically write-off all those artists just because they happen to share a bit about their beliefs in their music. If someone comes to you and says "this is a great a band, they've got a unique sound, they've got really good songs and they're Xian". Do you automatically say to yourself (or out loud), "Xian? No thanks, I already know it sucks" or "They could be the band of the decade and I still wouldn't own their records"? If your response is similar, but you wouldn't have that same response to the same description with the word Buddhist or Hindi inserted instead, then I'd say that yes you are prejudiced against Xians on that level and perhaps others as well. BTW just to show that I know you're not as bad as all that I'll bet you do have at least one release by an acknowledged Xian. Fer instance alot of people will have a Moby disc. Damn, long paragraph. Sorry to ramble so. I do not decry other people for their respective faiths, but I'd rather not be subjected to music that extols the tennets of said faith. If they want to listen to it, bully for them, but don't ask me to enjoy it. "And after another 20 years you haven't matured enough to stop thumbing your nose at a strawman? You should really be discussing this with your parents and possibly a professional counselor. You're obviously horribly scarred." You seem to think that I'm plagued by this, when in truth, I couldn't give less of a damn. But, clearly, you're out either to wind me up or exact revenge for touching on a nerve of yours with something I said earlier. Either way, I resent your tone and your sentiment, and I'd thank you to leave my parents out of this. That part was a bit of wind up. It was supposed to be laced with sarcasm. My apologies for my tone. Yes you did touch a nerve, I don't like intolerance and I always find it distasteful after seeing someone else bawled out for it. As I said, I see it on the list often in reference to Xians while intolerance of other religious groups would be roundly chastised. Did you see what I said about ragheads and god-botherers? Shove it up your ass, while you're at it. Look being accused of intolerance is pretty harsh. I know it's something that most of us think we're above. And we may not see it in ourselves. People will often say things they don't realize may be offensive to people of groups that they may not know well. I think you're statements were intolerant and show some prejudice. You feel I'm blowing shit way out of proportion and that you are not at all intolerant towards Xians. I don't think you deserve to be censured or viewed as a mind-numbed bigot. That's not how I would describe you. I do think you should consider what I said. Merry Christmas, Same to you, seriously Alex in NYC I am culturevirus _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering --Apple-Mail-2--771705888-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 16:45:42 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:45:42 EST Subject: [kj] OT: Final Word on 'Christian Rawk' Message-ID: -------------------------------1072025142 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/21/2003 11:38:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, vassifer@earthlink.net writes: I'm really not interested in getting into any more stupid spats about fuckin' Religion (with you *OR* with the mysterious Mr.West) It's such a hot-button topic that only leads to needless acrimony. Peace on Earth, Good Will towards Killing Joke. Amen, Alex in NYC Krishna rocked ruled and the best thing is they would have kicked your ass if you didnt agree.... -------------------------------1072025142 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 12/21/2003 11:38:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, vassif= er@earthlink.net writes:
I'm really not interested in getting into any=20= more stupid spats about
fuckin' Religion (with you *OR* with the mysteri= ous Mr.West) It's such
a hot-button topic that only leads to needless ac= rimony.

Peace on Earth, Good Will towards Killing Joke.

Amen,<= BR>Alex in NYC
Krishna rocked ruled and the best thing is they would have kicked your=20= ass if you didnt agree....
-------------------------------1072025142-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 16:48:15 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alexi Hamilton) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:48:15 +0000 Subject: [kj] OT: Alex and Christian rock? Message-ID:

Damn, folks...this is wound up. When I actually started reading this thread, I thought Alex had said something REALLY horrible which shocked the hell outta me.  He said he hates Christian Rock?  Is that what this squabble is about? Or am I missing something?  Just to put my two cents in, I LOATHE Christian rock...I also hate R & B...the new crap, that is.  But you won't ever see me tossing a white pointy hood on my head and hanging out with white supremecist rednecks.  I'm sorry...is rednecks a term to be deemed as a no-no on the list too?  Am I offending people?  Pity. We all have views and downfalls. 

~Alexi




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>From: Alexander Smith
>Reply-To: gathering@misera.net
>To: gathering@misera.net
>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here?
>Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 00:25:22 -0500
>
>
>My comment was only an assertion that I obviously touched a nerve
>with you given your own particular background. To suggest that I'm
>prejudiced against all Christians because I don't like Christian
>Rock is like saying I hate all Indians because I don't happen to
>like Chicken Vindaloo.
>
>I'm perfectly comfortable with my comments about Christian Rock. If
>you wanna go listen to it -- you have fun. You being an
>ex-Evangelical is your own problem. If you want to think I'm
>prejudiced because I don't like Christian Rock, then fine -- think
>that.
>
>Personally speaking, I'm not a a particular fan of *ANY* religion.
>As far as I'm concerned, it's a herculean waste of time, but I don't
>begrudge others for their adherence to the faith of their choice.
>Just don't ask me to partake.
>
>Happy Holidays.
>
>Alex in NYC
>
>
>On Saturday, December 20, 2003, at 09:41 PM, culture.virus wrote:
>
>>So were you actually going to respond with a reasoned defense of
>>why your statement was not prejudiced or were you just going to
>>play some sort of passive aggressive ad hominem game. Or have you
>>decided that since I once self identified as evangelical that I am
>>obviously below you and am not capable of seeing things in a
>>objective light? Simply reinforcing an air of prejudice with the
>>comment below may just be a wind-up but if not then would you
>>please explain why you are not prejudiced towards people of a
>>particular faith?
>>
>>At 02:34 PM 12/20/03, you wrote:
>>
>>>" And as a former evangelical Xian myself..."
>>>
>>>
>>>Ah, there we go then. That explains it.
>>>
>>>Alex in NYC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Saturday, December 20, 2003, at 03:18 PM, culture.virus wrote:
>>>
>>>>That may be Greg, but that's not what was said. The statement was
>>>>that the music was by Xians and therefore moot. Evanescence's
>>>>music is not of the bible-thumping/converting variety. In fact
>>>>their label pulled their records from the shelves of Xian
>>>>bookstores because they are something of an anathema to that
>>>>particular part of the Xian subculture. And as a former
>>>>evangelical Xian myself I'm well aware of the subculture and it's
>>>>  thought patterns. I also know that there are hundreds of bands
>>>>in that genre who just want to make the best music they can while
>>>>not betraying firmly held religious beliefs. Their music may
>>>>reflect their beliefs, but they don't have conversion as their
>>>>primary focus.
>>>>
>>>>I also want to reiterate what I was saying before, if it's only
>>>>music by Xian's that is automatically bad, that is a prejudical
>>>>statement. I've never heard this list tolerate prejudice in any
>>>>form and for any off color remarks. Recently in the whole Peter
>>>>West fiasco somebody used the term "ragheads" to describe Islamic
>>>>people and was roundly chastised. Two days ago bluceree (and
>>>>others in the past) called Xians "god-botherers" and not an
>>>>eyebrow raised. It's really sad and laughable at the same. The
>>>>one thing that won't be tolerated is intolerance. Isn't that what
>>>>you said?
>>>>
>>>>At 09:21 PM 12/19/03, you wrote:
>>>>>I think the reference to Christian music was specifically to
>>>>>Christian rock, the bible-thumping purist kind that has as its
>>>>>only goal the conversion of everyone to Christianity. Their
>>>>>listeners often listen to no other music, for fear of being
>>>>>sinners. By the way, religious reggae music is usually
>>>>>Rastifarian, which is a different religion that Christianity
>>>>>(although it has aspect of it, as well as Judaism). I don't
>>>>>think it's prejudiced to criticize a type of music that is only
>>>>>bent on converting people, and tends to have listeners that are
>>>>>intolerant of others (such as gays and atheists).
>>>>
>>>>I am culturevirus
>>
>>I am culturevirus
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Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 16:55:02 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alexi Hamilton) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:55:02 +0000 Subject: [kj] RE: [kj]Not OT, Cliff...I swear! Message-ID:

Sorry Cliff...I, too, am sifting through countless e-mails.  And I just added to the problem but I'm not now...KILLING JOKE ROCKS!!!  And I can't wait to see them down here in the southern area of the US.  I'm praying it still happens. Any more word on the possible shafting of KJ by Zuma for the spring tour?  Who is it they want to promote instead?  Did I dream the post that spoke of this?

~Alexi




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>From: "Cliff and Kara Livingston"
>Reply-To: gathering@misera.net
>To:
>Subject: [kj] NO MORE OT EVER
>Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 02:39:14 -0900
>
>NO MORE OFF TOPIC E-MAILS EVER...i want to instigate no more OT e-mail,sick of this crap...
>Killing Joke is a great band,and i want to be a part of this group,but i don't want any more goiddamn OT e-ails. ENUF ALREADY.
>the next person who sends OT is getting my wrath.....and anyone else who sends OT is getting 100 plus OT personal mail from me ...i have 1,900 gathering e-mails unread and i've had enuf bullshit...please send info on Killing Joke...but give us a rest from the crap...if you have to talk shit,please write on amessage board or go to the chatroom,ya wankers. UN OT CLIFF

Have fun customizing MSN Messenger — learn how here! From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 16:56:04 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (wardance) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:56:04 +0100 Subject: [kj] NO MORE OT EVER References: <00b401c3c7b7$156ccba0$308f70d1@antifrz> Message-ID: <037001c3c7e3$528ef4f0$91cffea9@Wehrwolf> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_036D_01C3C7EB.B3F92F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Indeed, most of the time, off-topic discusses are fuckin' BORING !!... Me too, I'm fed up with all that crap ! Hans Wehrwolf ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Cliff and Kara Livingston=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 12:39 PM Subject: [kj] NO MORE OT EVER NO MORE OFF TOPIC E-MAILS EVER...i want to instigate no more OT = e-mail,sick of this crap... Killing Joke is a great band,and i want to be a part of this group,but = i don't want any more goiddamn OT e-ails. ENUF ALREADY. the next person who sends OT is getting my wrath.....and anyone else = who sends OT is getting 100 plus OT personal mail from me ...i have = 1,900 gathering e-mails unread and i've had enuf bullshit...please send = info on Killing Joke...but give us a rest from the crap...if you have to = talk shit,please write on amessage board or go to the chatroom,ya = wankers. UN OT CLIFF ------=_NextPart_000_036D_01C3C7EB.B3F92F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Indeed, most of the time, off-topic discusses are fuckin' BORING=20 !!...
Me too, I'm fed up with all that crap !
 
Hans Wehrwolf
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Cliff = and Kara=20 Livingston
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 = 12:39=20 PM
Subject: [kj] NO MORE OT = EVER

NO MORE OFF TOPIC E-MAILS EVER...i = want to=20 instigate no more OT e-mail,sick of this crap...
Killing Joke is a great band,and i = want to be a=20 part of this group,but i don't want any more goiddamn OT e-ails. ENUF=20 ALREADY.
the next person who sends OT is = getting my=20 wrath.....and anyone else who sends OT is getting 100 plus OT personal = mail=20 from me ...i have 1,900 gathering e-mails unread and i've had enuf=20 bullshit...please send info on Killing Joke...but give us a rest from = the=20 crap...if you have to talk shit,please write on amessage board or go = to the=20 chatroom,ya wankers. UN OT CLIFF
 
------=_NextPart_000_036D_01C3C7EB.B3F92F00-- From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 23:09:50 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Ross O'Donoghue) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 01:09:50 +0200 Subject: [kj] OT: Final Word on 'Christian Rawk' References: <424C044F-33D4-11D8-BB6C-000A95E608B4@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <009501c3c74e$5f784580$14c683d9@ibm559c085> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C3C75F.226A05A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Amen. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alexander Smith=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: 21 Aral=FDk 2003 Pazar 18:39 Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Final Word on 'Christian Rawk' ****ALEX'S FINAL WORD ON THE GREAT CHRISTIAN ROCK WIND-UP OF 2003**** Culture Virus et al.,....... Seems we're all a little more reasonable on Sunday mornings. Wonder = why that is! Look, in all candor, my initial comments about Evanescence were = basically a dismisive joke. In truth, as Cutlure Virus, pointed out, = their lyrics only *VAGUELY* (from what I can hear) allude to their = faith. But, it has been largely documented that they sprang from the = community of 'Christian Rock'. And seriously --- regardless of your = spiritual leanings, you must admit me this: 'CHRISTIAN ROCK' AS A VIABLE = GENRE is pretty damn awful (please read: CHRISTIAN ROCK and *NOT* Rock = made by Musicians who *HAPPEN* to be Christians. I'm talking about a = SPECIFIC GENRE). Said scene has yet to produce an act that is capable of = transcending the limitations of their genre (i.e. constant allusions to = worshiping the lord) and reached a larger audience. The only real = example that comes to mind is fuckin' Creed (and please, please, please = don't try to tell me that they don't suck!) But all those other bands: = DC3, Jars of Clay and whatnot....regardless of their spirituality, I = just happen to think their music isn't very good and that they're way = too caught up in "the message".=20 Now, does this mean that I think *ALL* music that is religiously = devout stinks? Hell no. I just bought a compilation of Bhangra music, = and that stuff's pretty damn devout. Perhaps I'm able to tolerate that = because it is so comparitively exotic or more because your average = Bhangra musician doesn't seem to be out to convert me. Maybe I'm wrong = about that. I'm sorry if I ruffled your feathers. I only wish we were having this = debate over something I'd said with a bit more conviction rather than as = a passing, derisive jibe.=20 Sorry I told you to shove it up your ass as well, but that's what you = get when you call someone a scarred hypocrite in dire need of = professional help. "Yeah I know, what is it with you and Ross and this spelling thing?" What's so tough about spelling it out? Worried that the big man = upstairs is going to materialize like Hastur the Unspeakable and smite = thee for blaspheming? (that was a joke, stay calm!) I'm really not interested in getting into any more stupid spats about = fuckin' Religion (with you *OR* with the mysterious Mr.West) It's such a = hot-button topic that only leads to needless acrimony. Peace on Earth, Good Will towards Killing Joke. Amen, Alex in NYC On Sunday, December 21, 2003, at 03:20 AM, culture.virus wrote: At 02:33 PM 12/20/03, you wrote: :::sigh::: Cripes, when did you become such a hateful little creep? Truly Alex, I'm not hateful regarding this. As a matter of fact in = general I hold you in pretty high esteem. Or is this just some sort've wind-up? No, but I admit that I can wind things up abit. In any event, here's my bottom line on the issue: I may = fundamentally disagree with Peter West on a variety of issues, but he's = still as entitled to his opinions as I am of mine. I don't take your responses as being such that you truly think that = Peter was entitled too them. You and others IMO rightfully slapped him a = bit for some of his statements. He wasn't just "entitled" too them = because the list response was to tell him what an awful idiot he was and = that his position reeked of intolerance and possibly racism. I think you = and others on this list often display similar tendencies towards anyone = that is a Christian. I'd also like to re-emphasize the fact that the discussion he and = I (and several others) were involved with dealt with matters of larger = scale than dealing with something as ultimately trivial as = entertainment/rock music. I granted you that before Secondly, I think ChristianRock *DOES* suck. I think I resent it = because it comes across as entirely agenda-driven. That may not bug you, = but it bugs me. It doesn't mean I think they should all be rounded up = and exiled, it just means I'd prefer they kept their particular brand of = prosthletyzing to themselves. Agenda driven music can be distasteful. And it occurs all over the = popular music scene. But you didn't say that. You didn't say that Xian = rock sucks or even that agenda driven music sucks. You said music by = Xians is automatically moot/sucks. Now maybe didn't mean that. Evanescence's music isn't of the prosylitizing variety as I pointed = out in another post so they may suck in general but they are not like = what you described above. In my experience most Xian artists just want = to make the best music they can and not betray their beliefs. Do you = really know that many bands in the little world that is the Xian rock = scene? I think we would both agree that making quality music is not easy. = In addition to the mastery of an instrument it takes things such as = intelligence, drive, artistic vision and more. To me to say that a = person of a particular faith is by default not capable of achieving such = a high level mastery of particular area of human endeavor is the = equivalent of other negative stereotypes. Do you see why I found your = statement offensive? "IMO you are protraying the trait of prejudice in your stance = because you don't automatically despise the output of people who are of = other faiths, only Xians. Therefore by displaying prejudice, and since = it would appear you view prejudice as a negative trait, you are in fact = hypocritical. Now most people, yourself included, might say that this is = a minor issue, we're only talking about entertainment. But anyone = observing this list from the outside would see that we hold popular = music in high esteem. We value it not only for it's artisitic qualities = but for it's potential to impact popular thinking and change society as = we know it. So to automatically write off an individual artists output = solely because of their faith is to not only limit your own listening = choices, but it says something about how you view Xians as a whole if = you are so willing to write off their artistic endeavors in a media that = you hold in very high esteem." I didn't say I *DESPISED* Christians (that's how you spell it, by = the way) Yeah I know, what is it with you and Ross and this spelling thing? because of their music, but rather that I don't think it's very = good, or at least it's not my cup of tea, or simply that I think it = SUCKS (and I still think that) for reasons I've expressed above. For = what it's worth, let's expand this.....I prefer my rock music to be = ENTIRELY SECULAR. I can respect that you on the whole would prefer not to be = prosylitized while listening to music. I can also respect that it's not = always easy to be indifferent to music if it's lyrical content is = something that you find particularly offensive or distasteful. Hell = that's one of the things that conservative religious types will agree = with you on. But look at your music collection. I'll bet we'll find = music by acknowledged pagan and magickal types, Rastafarians, Buddhists, = a Hindi or two, same with Islam, probably someone Jewish. I'll bet that = some of that music has lyrical content that speaks of life from their = particular spiritual knothole. Just to keep this on-topic, Jaz' lyrics = are often spiritual in nature. I'd be willing to bet that you wouldn't = automatically write-off all those artists just because they happen to = share a bit about their beliefs in their music. If someone comes to you = and says "this is a great a band, they've got a unique sound, they've = got really good songs and they're Xian". Do you automatically say to = yourself (or out loud), "Xian? No thanks, I already know it sucks" or = "They could be the band of the decade and I still wouldn't own their = records"? If your response is similar, but you wouldn't have that same = response to the same description with the word Buddhist or Hindi = inserted instead, then I'd say that yes you are prejudiced against Xians = on that level and perhaps others as well. BTW just to show that I know = you're not as bad as all that I'll bet you do have at least one release = by an acknowledged Xian. Fer instance alot of people will have a Moby = disc. Damn, long paragraph. Sorry to ramble so. I do not decry other people for their respective faiths, but I'd = rather not be subjected to music that extols the tennets of said faith. = If they want to listen to it, bully for them, but don't ask me to enjoy = it. "And after another 20 years you haven't matured enough to stop = thumbing your nose at a strawman? You should really be discussing this = with your parents and possibly a professional counselor. You're = obviously horribly scarred." You seem to think that I'm plagued by this, when in truth, I = couldn't give less of a damn. But, clearly, you're out either to wind me = up or exact revenge for touching on a nerve of yours with something I = said earlier. Either way, I resent your tone and your sentiment, and I'd = thank you to leave my parents out of this. That part was a bit of wind up. It was supposed to be laced with = sarcasm. My apologies for my tone. Yes you did touch a nerve, I don't like intolerance and I always = find it distasteful after seeing someone else bawled out for it. As I = said, I see it on the list often in reference to Xians while intolerance = of other religious groups would be roundly chastised. Did you see what I = said about ragheads and god-botherers? Shove it up your ass, while you're at it. Look being accused of intolerance is pretty harsh. I know it's = something that most of us think we're above. And we may not see it in = ourselves. People will often say things they don't realize may be = offensive to people of groups that they may not know well. I think = you're statements were intolerant and show some prejudice. You feel I'm = blowing shit way out of proportion and that you are not at all = intolerant towards Xians. I don't think you deserve to be censured or = viewed as a mind-numbed bigot. That's not how I would describe you. I do = think you should consider what I said. Merry Christmas, Same to you, seriously Alex in NYC I am culturevirus=20 _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C3C75F.226A05A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Amen.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alexander=20 Smith
Sent: 21 Aral=FDk 2003 Pazar = 18:39
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Final = Word on=20 'Christian Rawk'


****ALEX'S FINAL WORD ON THE GREAT CHRISTIAN ROCK = WIND-UP=20 OF 2003****

Culture Virus et al.,.......

Seems we're all = a=20 little more reasonable on Sunday mornings. Wonder why that = is!

Look, in=20 all candor, my initial comments about Evanescence were basically a = dismisive=20 joke. In truth, as Cutlure Virus, pointed out, their lyrics only = *VAGUELY*=20 (from what I can hear) allude to their faith. But, it has been largely = documented that they sprang from the community of 'Christian Rock'. = And=20 seriously --- regardless of your spiritual leanings, you must admit me = this:=20 'CHRISTIAN ROCK' AS A VIABLE GENRE is pretty damn awful (please read:=20 CHRISTIAN ROCK and *NOT* Rock made by Musicians who *HAPPEN* to be = Christians.=20 I'm talking about a SPECIFIC GENRE). Said scene has yet to produce an = act that=20 is capable of transcending the limitations of their genre (i.e. = constant=20 allusions to worshiping the lord) and reached a larger audience. The = only real=20 example that comes to mind is fuckin' Creed (and please, please, = please don't=20 try to tell me that they don't suck!) But all those other bands: DC3, = Jars of=20 Clay and whatnot....regardless of their spirituality, I just happen to = think=20 their music isn't very good and that they're way too caught up in "the = message".

Now, does this mean that I think *ALL* music that is = religiously devout stinks? Hell no. I just bought a compilation of = Bhangra=20 music, and that stuff's pretty damn devout. Perhaps I'm able to = tolerate that=20 because it is so comparitively exotic or more because your average = Bhangra=20 musician doesn't seem to be out to convert me. Maybe I'm wrong about=20 that.

I'm sorry if I ruffled your feathers. I only wish we were = having=20 this debate over something I'd said with a bit more conviction rather = than as=20 a passing, derisive jibe.

Sorry I told you to shove it up your = ass as=20 well, but that's what you get when you call someone a scarred = hypocrite in=20 dire need of professional help.

"Yeah I=20 know, what is it with you and Ross and this spelling=20 thing?"

What's so tough about spelling it out? Worried = that=20 the big man upstairs is going to materialize like Hastur the = Unspeakable and=20 smite thee for blaspheming? (that was a joke, stay calm!)

I'm = really=20 not interested in getting into any more stupid spats about fuckin' = Religion=20 (with you *OR* with the mysterious Mr.West) It's such a hot-button = topic that=20 only leads to needless acrimony.

Peace on Earth, Good Will = towards=20 Killing Joke.

Amen,
Alex in=20 NYC










On Sunday, December 21, = 2003,=20 at 03:20 AM, culture.virus wrote:

At 02:33 PM 12/20/03, you wrote:


:::sigh:::

Cripes, when did you become such a = hateful=20 little creep?

Truly Alex, I'm not hateful = regarding=20 this. As a matter of fact in general I hold you in pretty high=20 esteem.

Or is this just some sort've = wind-up?

No,=20 but I admit that I can wind things up abit.

In any event, here's my bottom line on the issue: I may=20 fundamentally disagree with Peter West on a variety of issues, but = he's=20 still as entitled to his opinions as I am of = mine.

I=20 don't take your responses as being such that you truly think that = Peter was=20 entitled too them. You and others IMO rightfully slapped him a bit = for some=20 of his statements. He wasn't just "entitled" too them because the = list=20 response was to tell him what an awful idiot he was and that his = position=20 reeked of intolerance and possibly racism. I think you and others on = this=20 list often display similar tendencies towards anyone that is a=20 Christian.

I'd also like to re-emphasize the fact that the = discussion he=20 and I (and several others) were involved with dealt with matters = of larger=20 scale than dealing with something as ultimately trivial as=20 entertainment/rock music.

I granted you that=20 before


Secondly, I think ChristianRock *DOES* suck. I think I = resent=20 it because it comes across as entirely agenda-driven. That may not = bug=20 you, but it bugs me. It doesn't mean I think they should all be = rounded up=20 and exiled, it just means I'd prefer they kept their particular = brand of=20 prosthletyzing to themselves.

Agenda driven = music can be=20 distasteful. And it occurs all over the popular music scene. But you = didn't=20 say that. You didn't say that Xian rock sucks or even that agenda = driven=20 music sucks. You said music by Xians is automatically moot/sucks. = Now maybe=20 didn't mean that.

Evanescence's music isn't of the = prosylitizing=20 variety as I pointed out in another post so they may suck in general = but=20 they are not like what you described above. In my experience most = Xian=20 artists just want to make the best music they can and not betray = their=20 beliefs. Do you really know that many bands in the little world that = is the=20 Xian rock scene?

I think we would both agree that making = quality=20 music is not easy. In addition to the mastery of an instrument it = takes=20 things such as intelligence, drive, artistic vision and more. To me = to say=20 that a person of a particular faith is by default not capable of = achieving=20 such a high level mastery of particular area of human endeavor is = the=20 equivalent of other negative stereotypes. Do you see why I found = your=20 statement offensive?


"IMO you are protraying the trait of prejudice in your = stance=20 because you don't automatically despise the output of people who = are of=20 other faiths, only Xians. Therefore by displaying prejudice, and = since it=20 would appear you view prejudice as a negative trait, you are in = fact=20 hypocritical. Now most people, yourself included, might say that = this is a=20 minor issue, we're only talking about entertainment. But anyone = observing=20 this list from the outside would see that we hold popular music in = high=20 esteem. We value it not only for it's artisitic qualities but for = it's=20 potential to impact popular thinking and change society as we know = it. So=20 to automatically write off an individual artists output solely = because of=20 their faith is to not only limit your own listening choices, but = it says=20 something about how you view Xians as a whole if you are so = willing to=20 write off their artistic endeavors in a media that you hold in = very high=20 esteem."

I didn't say I *DESPISED* Christians (that's how = you spell=20 it, by the way)

Yeah I know, what is it with = you and=20 Ross and this spelling thing?

because of their music, but rather that I don't think = it's=20 very good, or at least it's not my cup of tea, or simply that I = think it=20 SUCKS (and I still think that) for reasons I've expressed above. = For what=20 it's worth, let's expand this.....I prefer my rock music to be = ENTIRELY=20 SECULAR.

I can respect that you on the whole = would=20 prefer not to be prosylitized while listening to music. I can also = respect=20 that it's not always easy to be indifferent to music if it's lyrical = content=20 is something that you find particularly offensive or distasteful. = Hell=20 that's one of the things that conservative religious types will = agree with=20 you on. But look at your music collection. I'll bet we'll find music = by=20 acknowledged pagan and magickal types, Rastafarians, Buddhists, a = Hindi or=20 two, same with Islam, probably someone Jewish. I'll bet that some of = that=20 music has lyrical content that speaks of life from their particular=20 spiritual knothole. Just to keep this on-topic, Jaz' lyrics are = often=20 spiritual in nature. I'd be willing to bet that you wouldn't = automatically=20 write-off all those artists just because they happen to share a bit = about=20 their beliefs in their music. If someone comes to you and says "this = is a=20 great a band, they've got a unique sound, they've got really good = songs and=20 they're Xian". Do you automatically say to yourself (or out loud), = "Xian? No=20 thanks, I already know it sucks" or "They could be the band of the = decade=20 and I still wouldn't own their records"? If your response is = similar, but=20 you wouldn't have that same response to the same description with = the word=20 Buddhist or Hindi inserted instead, then I'd say that yes you are = prejudiced=20 against Xians on that level and perhaps others as well. BTW just to = show=20 that I know you're not as bad as all that I'll bet you do have at = least one=20 release by an acknowledged Xian. Fer instance alot of people will = have a=20 Moby disc.

Damn, long paragraph. Sorry to ramble so.

I do not decry other people for their respective faiths, = but=20 I'd rather not be subjected to music that extols the tennets of = said=20 faith. If they want to listen to it, bully for them, but don't ask = me to=20 enjoy it.

"And after another 20 years you haven't matured = enough to=20 stop thumbing your nose at a strawman? You should really be = discussing=20 this with your parents and possibly a professional counselor. = You're=20 obviously horribly scarred."

You seem to think that I'm = plagued by=20 this, when in truth, I couldn't give less of a damn. But, clearly, = you're=20 out either to wind me up or exact revenge for touching on a nerve = of yours=20 with something I said earlier. Either way, I resent your tone and = your=20 sentiment, and I'd thank you to leave my parents out of=20 this.

That part was a bit of wind up. It was = supposed to=20 be laced with sarcasm. My apologies for my tone.

Yes you did = touch a=20 nerve, I don't like intolerance and I always find it distasteful = after=20 seeing someone else bawled out for it. As I said, I see it on the = list often=20 in reference to Xians while intolerance of other religious groups = would be=20 roundly chastised. Did you see what I said about ragheads and=20 god-botherers?

Shove it up your ass, while you're at=20 it.

Look being accused of intolerance is pretty = harsh. I=20 know it's something that most of us think we're above. And we may = not see it=20 in ourselves. People will often say things they don't realize may be = offensive to people of groups that they may not know well. I think = you're=20 statements were intolerant and show some prejudice. You feel I'm = blowing=20 shit way out of proportion and that you are not at all intolerant = towards=20 Xians. I don't think you deserve to be censured or viewed as a = mind-numbed=20 bigot. That's not how I would describe you. I do think you should = consider=20 what I said.


Merry Christmas,

Same to you,=20 seriously


Alex in NYC

I am culturevirus=20
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------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C3C75F.226A05A0-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 17:27:02 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:27:02 -0600 Subject: [kj] NO MORE OT EVER In-Reply-To: <00b401c3c7b7$156ccba0$308f70d1@antifrz> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154850823_1581039 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Jel and I last brought this up last year. Don=B9t remember what was going on at the time, but it was something that got about 5 or 6 of us annoyed, just like now, to say the least. Well, then a whole shit load of emails came in saying they like the OT email, and OT topics are what set the gathering apart from other lists. That we all have a wide range of interests, so on and so forth, some going further to say that things like that are the reaso= n that most gatherers are like an extended family. There was also the argumen= t made that a lot of the topics are actually Killing Joke related as far as religion and geo political topics go. My thing was very similar to Rangecroft=B9s argument a couple of years ago, o= f I get enough shit from just running the site...and guess what...it is even worse now that the band is actually active. But hey, I was told get over it...so in comes the flood of OT. I am actually shocked that someone hasn=B9t commented on how you just contributed to the OT tally. Usually someone gets offended about this, and goes off on that.=20 I agree with ya brotha, but I also understand where the =B3other side=B2 is coming from, too. Personally, I think the OT discussions are cool, but when you start calling each other out and shit like that, like the Culture Virus post calling Alex out (yeah, I just did what I condemned...so sue me:-)), are what sends, what could otherwise be a good topic, towards the shitter. So maybe not OT, but the name calling posts should come to a halt. On 12/21/03 5:39 AM, "Cliff and Kara Livingston" wrote= : > NO MORE OFF TOPIC E-MAILS EVER...i want to instigate no more OT e-mail,si= ck of > this crap... > Killing Joke is a great band,and i want to be a part of this group,but i = don't > want any more goiddamn OT e-ails. ENUF ALREADY. > the next person who sends OT is getting my wrath.....and anyone else who = sends > OT is getting 100 plus OT personal mail from me ...i have 1,900 gathering > e-mails unread and i've had enuf bullshit...please send info on Killing > Joke...but give us a rest from the crap...if you have to talk shit,please > write on amessage board or go to the chatroom,ya wankers. UN OT CLIFF > =20 >=20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154850823_1581039 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] NO MORE OT EVER Jel and I last brought = this up last year. Don’t remember what was going on at the time, but i= t was something that got about 5 or 6 of us annoyed, just like now, to say t= he least. Well, then a whole shit load of emails came in saying they like th= e OT email, and OT topics are what set the gathering apart from other lists.= That we all have a wide range of interests, so on and so forth, some going = further to say that things like that are the reason that most gatherers are = like an extended family. There was also the argument made that a lot of the = topics are actually Killing Joke related as far as religion and geo politica= l topics go.

My thing was very similar to Rangecroft’s argument a couple of years = ago, of I get enough shit from just running the site...and guess what...it i= s even worse now that the band is actually active. But hey, I was told get o= ver it...so in comes the flood of OT.

I am actually shocked that someone hasn’t commented on how you just c= ontributed to the OT tally. Usually someone gets offended about this, and go= es off on that.

I agree with ya brotha, but I also understand where the “other side&#= 8221; is coming from, too. Personally, I think the OT discussions are cool, = but when you start calling each other out and shit like that, like the Cultu= re Virus post calling Alex out (yeah, I just did what I condemned...so sue m= e:-)), are what sends, what could otherwise be a good topic, towards the shi= tter. So maybe not OT, but the name calling posts should come to a halt.

On 12/21/03 5:39 AM, "Cliff and Kara Livingston" <antifrz@alas= ka.net> wrote:

NO MORE OFF TOPIC E-MAILS EVER...i want to instigate no more OT e-mail,sick= of this crap...
Killing Joke is a great band,and i want to be a part of this group,but i do= n't want any more goiddamn OT e-ails. ENUF ALREADY.
the next person who sends OT is getting my wrath.....and anyone else who se= nds OT is getting 100 plus OT personal mail from me ...i have 1,900 gatherin= g e-mails unread and i've had enuf bullshit...please send info on Killing Jo= ke...but give us a rest from the crap...if you have to talk shit,please writ= e on amessage board or go to the chatroom,ya wankers. UN OT CLIFF



KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3154850823_1581039-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 20:29:02 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Will E Scheipers) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:29:02 -0800 Subject: [kj] NO MORE OT EVER Message-ID: <20031221.123039.1064.1.Wscheip1@juno.com> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_2a34.39d2.760f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Get ready for a bagful of vengeance then, OT lives forever. From, Will On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 02:39:14 -0900 "Cliff and Kara Livingston" writes: NO MORE OFF TOPIC E-MAILS EVER...i want to instigate no more OT e-mail,sick of this crap... Killing Joke is a great band,and i want to be a part of this group,but i don't want any more goiddamn OT e-ails. ENUF ALREADY. the next person who sends OT is getting my wrath.....and anyone else who sends OT is getting 100 plus OT personal mail from me ...i have 1,900 gathering e-mails unread and i've had enuf bullshit...please send info on Killing Joke...but give us a rest from the crap...if you have to talk shit,please write on amessage board or go to the chatroom,ya wankers. UN OT CLIFF ----__JNP_000_2a34.39d2.760f Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Get ready for a bagful of vengeance then, OT lives forever.
 
From,
Will
 
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 02:39:14 -0900 "Cliff and Kara Livingston" <antifrz@alaska.net> writes:
NO MORE OFF TOPIC E-MAILS EVER...i want = to=20 instigate no more OT e-mail,sick of this crap...
Killing Joke is a great band,and i want = to be a=20 part of this group,but i don't want any more goiddamn OT e-ails. ENUF=20 ALREADY.
the next person who sends OT is getting = my=20 wrath.....and anyone else who sends OT is getting 100 plus OT personal = mail=20 from me ...i have 1,900 gathering e-mails unread and i've had enuf=20 bullshit...please send info on Killing Joke...but give us a rest from the= =20 crap...if you have to talk shit,please write on amessage board or go to = the=20 chatroom,ya wankers. UN OT CLIFF
 
 
----__JNP_000_2a34.39d2.760f-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 18:07:28 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:07:28 -0500 Subject: [kj] sorry ot - riaa scan spam?! Message-ID: <3FE59B10.5969.196CFC@localhost> anyone else receive some cryptic email from anonymous/masked sources about an riaa scan collecting evidence on their computer recently? my firewall interprets the 101k file as a virus. From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 18:05:47 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bo Krogsgaard) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:05:47 +0100 Subject: [kj] Before you OT post .. Message-ID: <3FE5EF0B.26091.8DAE014@localhost> Go here instead: http://www.holdthebutton.com/ b From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 18:10:00 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alexander Smith) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:10:00 -0500 Subject: [kj] NO MORE OT EVER In-Reply-To: <20031221.123039.1064.1.Wscheip1@juno.com> Message-ID: --Apple-Mail-2--766279537 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Look, I apologize for this -- and many other -- OT discussions. Cliff,=20= you know I love ya, but imposing a "NO OT EVER" policy is postively=20 Talibanesque. To kick a very dead horse, imagine going to a party and=20 only being allowed to discuss one, solitary topic. It's draconian. Regardless of any political/religious/ethical/aesthetic differences=20 among all the members of the Gathering, I doubt there's a solitary=20 individual among us who doesn't regard Killing Joke as the=20 unquestionable priority of the list. But, y'know, how many times can we=20= debate certain *ON* topic subjects like "OUTSIDE THE GATE: Crap or=20 Not?" or "Who is a better skinsman? BPF or Atkins or Animal from=20 Dr.Teeth & the Electric Mayhem?" I think a little OT is fine. It also=20= aptly demonstrates what a vast reach Killing Joke spans. For example,=20 until these recent weeks, I never in a million years would have=20 expected as many hardline Right-Wing Hawks and former evangelical=20 christians to count themselves as fans of Killing Joke. It's a=20 testament to the band's appeal. I also personally do find it=20 fascinating to hear what the cross-section of folks has to say on a=20 variety of subjects. While Peter West and Culture Virus and Jester Joe=20= and myself and many others may have wildly different opinions on the=20 State of the World, we all come together as fans of Killing Joke. I=20 think that's interesting, myself. Obviously, some discussions carry on too long or get too snipey and=20 personal. While the entertainment value of these sorts of discussions=20 can be high (though not while you're involved in one, I can tell you=20 that), I can understand how it could become a bit of a mailbox-clogging=20= bore to have to sift through them. So, apologies for that. But=20 declaring a Fatwa on OT posts seems a bit narrow to me. But, y'know, what the fuck do I know anyway? I'm a scarred hypocritcal=20= demagogue who uses the Bible as a doorstop. "You'd Wipe Out Spaztics if You Had the Chance,....but Jesus Wouldn't=20 Like it! NOOOOOO!' Alex in nYc On Sunday, December 21, 2003, at 03:29 PM, Will E Scheipers wrote: > Get ready for a bagful of vengeance then, OT lives forever. > =A0 > From, > Will > =A0 > On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 02:39:14 -0900 "Cliff and Kara Livingston"=20 > writes: > > NO MORE OFF TOPIC E-MAILS EVER...i want to instigate no more OT=20 > e-mail,sick of this crap... > Killing Joke is a great band,and i want to be a part of this group,but=20= > i don't want any more goiddamn OT e-ails. ENUF ALREADY. > the next person who sends OT is getting my wrath.....and anyone else=20= > who sends OT is getting 100 plus OT personal mail from me ...i have=20 > 1,900 gathering e-mails unread and i've had enuf bullshit...please=20 > send info on Killing Joke...but give us a rest from the crap...if you=20= > have to talk shit,please write on amessage board or go to the=20 > chatroom,ya wankers. UN OT CLIFF > =A0 > =A0 > --Apple-Mail-2--766279537 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Look, I apologize for this -- and many other -- OT discussions. Cliff, you know I love ya, but imposing a "NO OT EVER" policy is postively Talibanesque. To kick a very dead horse, imagine going to a party and only being allowed to discuss one, solitary topic. It's draconian. Regardless of any political/religious/ethical/aesthetic differences among all the members of the Gathering, I doubt there's a solitary individual among us who doesn't regard Killing Joke as the unquestionable priority of the list. But, y'know, how many times can we debate certain *ON* topic subjects like "OUTSIDE THE GATE: Crap or Not?" or "Who is a better skinsman? BPF or Atkins or Animal from Dr.Teeth & the Electric Mayhem?" I think a little OT is fine. It also aptly demonstrates what a vast reach Killing Joke spans. For example, until these recent weeks, I never in a million years would have expected as many hardline Right-Wing Hawks and former evangelical christians to count themselves as fans of Killing Joke. It's a testament to the band's appeal. I also personally do find it fascinating to hear what the cross-section of folks has to say on a variety of subjects. While Peter West and Culture Virus and Jester Joe and myself and many others may have wildly different opinions on the State of the World, we all come together as fans of Killing Joke. I think that's interesting, myself. Obviously, some discussions carry on too long or get too snipey and personal. While the entertainment value of these sorts of discussions can be high (though not while you're involved in one, I can tell you that), I can understand how it could become a bit of a mailbox-clogging bore to have to sift through them. So, apologies for that. But declaring a Fatwa on OT posts seems a bit narrow to me.=20 But, y'know, what the fuck do I know anyway? I'm a scarred hypocritcal demagogue who uses the Bible as a doorstop. "You'd Wipe Out Spaztics if You Had the Chance,....but Jesus Wouldn't Like it! NOOOOOO!' Alex in nYc On Sunday, December 21, 2003, at 03:29 PM, Will E Scheipers wrote: Get ready for a bagful of vengeance then, OT lives forever. =A0 From, Will =A0 On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 02:39:14 -0900 "Cliff and Kara Livingston" = <<1999,1999,FFFFantifrz@alaska.net> writes: ArialNO MORE OFF TOPIC E-MAILS EVER...i want to instigate no more OT e-mail,sick of this = crap... ArialKilling Joke is a great band,and i want to be a part of this group,but i don't want any more goiddamn OT e-ails. ENUF ALREADY. Arialthe next person who sends OT is getting my wrath.....and anyone else who sends OT is getting 100 plus OT personal mail from me ...i have 1,900 gathering e-mails unread and i've had enuf bullshit...please send info on Killing Joke...but give us a rest from the crap...if you have to talk shit,please write on amessage board or go to the chatroom,ya wankers. UN OT = CLIFF =A0 =A0 = --Apple-Mail-2--766279537-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 18:28:12 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mattdunn) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 18:28:12 -0000 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR '03 Message-ID: 1) Your Name: Matt Dunn 2) Your Age: 34 3) Are you married and have you any children? Single (as of this year) with a son who is 3 and 3/4 4) I live here: Nottingham 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: sparodically for about 3 or 4 years. but have been in it for last 6 months. am a bit of a lurker I'm afraid 6) What do you want for X-mas? To have my son with me (but it's not going to happen) 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? Over Ł500 on a stag weekend in Berlin. Still feel the pain 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? To spend more time with my son 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: City of god soundtrack and Wreckin' Crew by The Meteors (it's a teenage thang). 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? Off the top of my head: The Real New Fall LP Primal Scream Live In Japan Tindersticks' latest Don Letts presents The Mighty Trojan Sound Alabama 3 Live In Dublin 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? This year: Kings Of Leon (OK) Alabama 3 (excellent) Jane's Addiction (excellent) Dandy Warhols (good) Peaches (excellent) Cramps (shite) Tinderstiscks (absolutely amazing) datsuns (good) Polyphonic Spree (good) Glastonbury - various, but particularly liked The Warlocks V2003 - shite. all of it 12) Worst music you heard all year: Evanesence and any R & B rubbish 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of Queen, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music) 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: No bands to reform as it is always disappointing, especially if you caught them first time round. 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: Chili Peppers. Was once a big fan and now find them embarrasing 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: None. I like my music to sound as it did when it was recorded as it means more to me and reminds me of that period in my life. Case in point: the added handclaps to the remastering of Never Mind The Bollocks 17) Most overrated music of the year: Strokes, Coldplay, darkness...i could go on and on 18) Most underrated music of the year: Killing Joke 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: Clash Tindersticks Nick Cave & the bad seeds The Fall Pixies oh, and Queens of the stone age 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet It says a lot that the fan sites are better than the official one. Bring back The Last Laugh! 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: Big Paul to rejoin and be part of the songwriting process Failing that, Raven to get his share (anybody doubting his ability listen to Dominator). From what I can tell, Youth had very little to do with the album but got the credit 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction Saw them at V2003. Shit festival but they were OK (though due to no Kelly Osborne I had to suffer Athlete for a bit). Also saw them at Rock City and it was much better, but they always disappoint me as I build them up too much. 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? Reinterpretation of the jester from Turn to red single 25) Favorite track on the new album: Seeing Red 26) Least favorite track on the new album: Dark forces / You'll never get to me 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: Seeing Red 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? No 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? Rick Rubin, butch Vig or Vic Maille (RIP) . actually, only the latter 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: I confess i never pay that much attention to the lyrics, but Blood On Your Hands seems appropriate 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Yes 2 prints and a t-shirt. Currently saving for a clock (hi Mike!) 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? i still want the previously discussed KJ mug sorry have no more time - all the best everybody ::::END:::: From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 20:10:39 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:10:39 -0000 Subject: [kj] O.T. The ruling Message-ID: <001401c3c7fe$8344ca50$18cdff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3C7FE.80EE5730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Following the complaint ,by the Livingstones regarding OT,After giving = it careful consideration ,Taking in the views of Alex(NY) ,and the = views of the man himself(no,not you jester) Mr Misera, "Most of the time the topics revolve around KJ, and if they don't = they're usually still really interesting!" I hearby announce OT is acceptable PS=20 If you lot think im thick,can you do this killing joke,Thought not ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3C7FE.80EE5730 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Following the=20 complaint ,by the Livingstones regarding OT,After giving it careful=20 consideration ,Taking in the  views of Alex(NY) ,and the views of = the man=20 himself(no,not you jester) Mr Misera,
"Most of the time the topics = revolve=20 around KJ, and if they don't they're usually still really=20 interesting!"
          = I hearby=20 announce OT is  acceptable
  PS
If you lot think im = thick,can=20 you do this killing joke,Thought=20 not ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3C7FE.80EE5730-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 20:22:31 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:22:31 -0600 Subject: [kj] NO MORE OT EVER In-Reply-To: Message-ID: To me, no OT means no talk ever about our own lives. No talk about various members musical endeavors, no talk of family and it really would be a very cold dark place here. No friendships would ever be formed if we stopped all OT. With no OT, things would just suck, and I honestly think the gathering would die off. You may think it sucks with all the OT, but it would really fucking blow if there ere ONLY talk of Killing Joke. Cliff, we would not be friends, I would not know about Alex and Peg's first child coming into the world in a few months, I would not have known Dave Axford the way I do, and have phone calls from round the world, like the call we made a to Bo a few weeks ago, or Alexi calling from Chi town the da= y the Joke was there. We have personally made a shit load of good friends due to the gathering, and a lot of it has to do with the fact that we all post OT sometimes. Also, as in my earlier post...the OT are in a round about way about the Joke. That argument has been made by several, and does hold a lot of weight= . If there is no OT, why even have an email list? Just go to the web site and see what's going on. No need for discussion bout it really, as that might g= o OT, as it so often times does. On 12/21/03 12:10 PM, "Alexander Smith" wrote: >=20 > Look, I apologize for this -- and many other -- OT discussions. Cliff, > you know I love ya, but imposing a "NO OT EVER" policy is postively > Talibanesque. To kick a very dead horse, imagine going to a party and > only being allowed to discuss one, solitary topic. It's draconian. >=20 > Regardless of any political/religious/ethical/aesthetic differences > among all the members of the Gathering, I doubt there's a solitary > individual among us who doesn't regard Killing Joke as the > unquestionable priority of the list. But, y'know, how many times can we > debate certain *ON* topic subjects like "OUTSIDE THE GATE: Crap or > Not?" or "Who is a better skinsman? BPF or Atkins or Animal from > Dr.Teeth & the Electric Mayhem?" I think a little OT is fine. It also > aptly demonstrates what a vast reach Killing Joke spans. For example, > until these recent weeks, I never in a million years would have > expected as many hardline Right-Wing Hawks and former evangelical > christians to count themselves as fans of Killing Joke. It's a > testament to the band's appeal. I also personally do find it > fascinating to hear what the cross-section of folks has to say on a > variety of subjects. While Peter West and Culture Virus and Jester Joe > and myself and many others may have wildly different opinions on the > State of the World, we all come together as fans of Killing Joke. I > think that's interesting, myself. >=20 > Obviously, some discussions carry on too long or get too snipey and > personal. While the entertainment value of these sorts of discussions > can be high (though not while you're involved in one, I can tell you > that), I can understand how it could become a bit of a mailbox-clogging > bore to have to sift through them. So, apologies for that. But > declaring a Fatwa on OT posts seems a bit narrow to me. >=20 > But, y'know, what the fuck do I know anyway? I'm a scarred hypocritcal > demagogue who uses the Bible as a doorstop. >=20 > "You'd Wipe Out Spaztics if You Had the Chance,....but Jesus Wouldn't > Like it! NOOOOOO!' >=20 > Alex in nYc >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Sunday, December 21, 2003, at 03:29 PM, Will E Scheipers wrote: >=20 >> Get ready for a bagful of vengeance then, OT lives forever. >> =A0 >> From, >> Will >> =A0 >> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 02:39:14 -0900 "Cliff and Kara Livingston" >> writes: >>=20 >> NO MORE OFF TOPIC E-MAILS EVER...i want to instigate no more OT >> e-mail,sick of this crap... >> Killing Joke is a great band,and i want to be a part of this group,but >> i don't want any more goiddamn OT e-ails. ENUF ALREADY. >> the next person who sends OT is getting my wrath.....and anyone else >> who sends OT is getting 100 plus OT personal mail from me ...i have >> 1,900 gathering e-mails unread and i've had enuf bullshit...please >> send info on Killing Joke...but give us a rest from the crap...if you >> have to talk shit,please write on amessage board or go to the >> chatroom,ya wankers. UN OT CLIFF >> =A0 >> =A0 >>=20 >=20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 20:30:06 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:30:06 -0000 Subject: [kj] poll References: <20031218192537.16682.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com> <53A1C5E8-3196-11D8-9865-0030656468B0@uol.com.br> Message-ID: <005301c3c801$397ece40$18cdff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C3C801.38B1BA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey junior,You obviously still have feelings for this girl,Its written = all over your poll,go on give her a call , it is Christmas.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: n0153=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [kj] poll 1) Your Name: Junior=20 2) Your Age: 25 (Soon to be 26 on January 4th)=20 3) Are you married and have you any children? Nope. And for no reason = at all and by my choice, just getting out of a relationship that was = excellent. 4) I live here: Sao Paulo=20 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: Seven years now... could = be more. Even though I have been only lurking for the last couple of = months.=20 6) What do you want for X-mas? An 18-inch action figure of = Leatherface, from Texas Chainsaw Massacre.=20 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? Breaking up with the girl I = love.=20 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? Gonna make some very good movies and = travel.=20 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it ? David = Bowie's Reality and Syd Barrett's Madcap Laughs. Both are excellent, the = latest being pure genious. 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five = favorite releases of the year? the new bowie. mars volta was almost = ok... and I can't think of any other one... ahhh the new Neubauten is = great.=20 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? I haven't = seen anything.=20 12) Worst music you heard all year: as I do not watch mtv (hardly = watch any tv at all) or listen to the radio, I have listened very few = shitty things. Probably the crappiest shit around would be those bands = that want to sound like 70's punk bands. 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of = ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need = not be restricted to music) Me=20 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: = Killing Joke, Mission of Burma, Gang of Four, Fugazi, Skinny Puppy 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: all = melodic metal 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: = Killing Joke - entire catalog=20 17) Most overrated music of the year: Strokes=20 18) Most underrated music of the year: Killing Joke=20 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: Joy = Division, Einst=FCrzende Neubauten, Death in June, Legendary Pink Dots, = Skinny Puppy 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet = Can't really say much because my own presence on the net has been = ridiculous these last months. 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really = like the following to happen: New album without the foofie with Big Paul = back... and a south american tour. 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly = explain your reaction=20 I saw them when they played rio de janeiro, sao paulo and buenos = aires. oh wait! they didn't come! 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the = red Krusty Clown? a real pic of a dead president bush.=20 25) Favorite track on the new album: House pain built 26) Least favorite track on the new album: none=20 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have = been: Total Invasion=20 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your = thoughts? Haven't seen.=20 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next = Killing Joke record? Me 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Total = Invasion 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT = THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? My ex girlfriend told me right after I = broke up with her that she had ordered two shirts but now would have to = cancel the order.=20 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable = site? KJ underwear.=20 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the = White House: Osama, vice Sadam 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Sad dam Hussein has been apprehended? = Why would I?=20 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: Set him = free again so the U.S have something to pretend to be doing. 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Hidden 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the = homefront (US/UK/EUR)? No.=20 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? I don't think they = would attack Brasil, so.... 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September = 11, 2001?=20 Does it matter? 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day?=20 Sleeping when my mom called telling me that "they were bombing nyc" 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office = would be:=20 Get me some money 42) Tony Blair is an: _________. english and very silly man=20 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American = Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: couldn't = care less.=20 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling = why you feel this way. Support your argument: True. Do I really need to = tell you why? 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own = situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? Do I care? ::::END::::=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C3C801.38B1BA40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Hey junior,You obviously still = have feelings=20 for this girl,Its written all over your poll,go on give her a call , it = is=20 Christmas. 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 n0153 =
Sent: Thursday, December 18, = 2003 8:11=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] poll

1) Your Name: Junior

2) Your Age: 25 = (Soon to=20 be 26 on January 4th)

3) Are you married and have you any=20 children? Nope. And for no reason at all and by my choice, just = getting out=20 of a relationship that was excellent.

4) I live here: = Sao Paulo=20

5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: Seven = years=20 now... could be more. Even though I have been only lurking for the = last couple=20 of months.

6) What do you want for X-mas? An 18-inch = action=20 figure of Leatherface, from Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

7) = Your=20 biggest extravagance of the year?  Breaking up with the girl I = love.=20

8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? Gonna make some very = good=20 movies and travel.

9) What was the last album you = bought,why, and=20 how is it ? David Bowie's Reality and Syd Barrett's Madcap Laughs. = Both are=20 excellent, the latest being pure genious.

10) Not including = the new=20 Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the = year?=20 the new bowie. mars volta was almost ok... and I can't think of any = other=20 one... ahhh the new Neubauten is great.

11) What live = bands have=20 you seen recently. Did they rate? I haven't seen anything. =

12)=20 Worst music you heard all year: as I do not watch mtv (hardly watch = any tv=20 at all) or listen to the radio, I have listened very few shitty = things.=20 Probably the crappiest shit around would be those bands that want to = sound=20 like 70's punk bands.

13) If I find out that the person I'm = talking=20 to is a big fan of ________, I lose all interest in talking to them = (note:=20 your answer need not be restricted to music)  Me =

14)=20 Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: = Killing=20 Joke, Mission of Burma, Gang of Four, Fugazi, Skinny = Puppy

15)=20 Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: all = melodic=20 metal

16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and = re-release deluxe=20 stylee: Killing Joke - entire catalog

17) Most = overrated music=20 of the year: Strokes

18) Most underrated music of the = year:=20 Killing Joke

19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five = favorite=20 bands/artists are: Joy Division, Einst=FCrzende Neubauten, Death in = June,=20 Legendary Pink Dots, Skinny Puppy

20) Express your views on = Killing=20 Joke's presence on the Internet Can't really say much because my = own=20 presence on the net has been ridiculous these last = months.

22)=20 Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like = the=20 following to happen: New album without the foofie with Big Paul = back... and=20 a south american tour.

23) Did you get to see Killing Joke = on this=20 tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction
I saw them when they = played=20 rio de janeiro, sao paulo and buenos aires. oh wait! they didn't=20 come!

24) What would you have rather seen on the album = cover, other=20 than the red Krusty Clown? a real pic of a dead president bush.=20

25) Favorite track on the new album: House pain=20 built

26) Least favorite track on the new album: none=20

27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it = would=20 have been: Total Invasion

28) Have you managed to see = "the Year=20 of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? Haven't seen.

29) = Outside=20 of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke = record?=20 Me

30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world = today:=20 Total Invasion

31) Have you bought anything from = Malicious=20 Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? My ex = girlfriend=20 told me right after I broke up with her that she had ordered two = shirts but=20 now would have to cancel the order.

32) Goods you'd like = to see=20 made available on Mike Coles estimable site? KJ underwear. =

33)=20 Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White = House:=20 Osama, vice Sadam

34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Sad = dam=20 Hussein has been apprehended? Why would I?

35) Now that = he's in=20 custody, I would handle Saddam this way: Set him free again so the = U.S have=20 something to pretend to be doing.

36) Where is Osama Bin = Laden:=20 Hidden

37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy = of=20 Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? No.

38) Do you = feel=20 prepared for another such instance? I don't think they would attack = Brasil,=20 so....

39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the = events of=20 September 11, 2001?
Does it matter?

40) Where were = you/what=20 were you doing on that day?
Sleeping when my mom called telling = me that=20 "they were bombing nyc"

41) Were you the next American = president,=20 your first act in office would be:
Get me some = money

42)=20 Tony Blair is an: _________. english and very silly man =

43)=20 They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American = Dime with=20 the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: couldn't care = less.=20

44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain = your=20 feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: True. Do I = really=20 need to tell you why?

45) Under which American = administration was=20 the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? Do I=20 care?

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------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C3C801.38B1BA40-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 20:52:27 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 07:52:27 +1100 Subject: [kj] Merry Christmas All Message-ID: Hey Jokers. I'm unsubbing today and going off on hols for a couple of weeks. Just wanted to extend my good wishes to you all - I hope you, your family and your friends have a safe and enjoyable festive season and come back as lively and cantankerous as ever next year. Let's also hope that there's as much KILLING JOKE action in 2004 as there was in 2003. Peace & love all. -S ~Analysis, Paralysis~ **************************************************************** NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you received this message in error please notify HIC immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of HIC. **************************************************************** From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 21:20:46 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gabriella_Wing=E5rdh?=) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:20:46 +0100 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 References: <200312181816.hBIIGwOf006595@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <015f01c3c771$cbd658c0$030c43d5@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001301c3c808$4cc04b30$030c43d5@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3C810.AE4C3E10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gabriella Wing=E5rdh=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 4:23 AM Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alex Smith=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 7:17 PM Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next = Killing Joke record?=20 flood or jim thirlwell I mentioned earlier, but on second thought, = barry adamson... that mix could lead to some very interesting music to = dance to :-) happy holidays to ye all, and a bright shiny new year gabriella ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3C810.AE4C3E10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gabriella Wing=E5rdh =
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 = 4:23=20 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL = FOR=20 `03

 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alex=20 Smith
Sent: Thursday, December 18, = 2003 7:17=20 PM
Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL = FOR=20 `03

Outside of Andy Gill, who would you = like to see=20 produce the next Killing Joke record?
flood or jim thirlwell I mentioned earlier, but on second = thought,=20 barry adamson... that mix could lead to some very = interesting music to=20 dance to :-)

happy holidays to ye all, and a bright shiny new = year
 
=
gabriella
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3C810.AE4C3E10-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 21:19:46 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (ade) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:19:46 -0000 Subject: [kj] OT: Another Final Word on 'Christian Rawk' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002401c3c808$29810240$0200a8c0@thelab.local> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C3C808.29810240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The thing that pisses me off about Christian Rawk & the shit we get on the (fuck me, this is funny!!) 'GOD Channel' is the fact that they're USUALLY banging-on about god being great or good or somesuch. So many just seem to do that & nowt else. Some even look & smell of Nickleback-itis & really, THAT is unforgiveable - we're talking artistic credibility here. Hence, they seem to have their own little genre & niche market, etc, because people less or un interested in the faith of the band aren't interested in the blatant messages. Certainly, that's how I feel, but that's just MY OPINION before someone starts flaming me. When Maiden wrote Aces High, I'm sure they wrote it out of an interest of flying & romantic vision of warfare - Bruce is a pilot as we all know. When Slayer wrote Angel of Death, I'm guessing that they wanted to illustrate what can happen when man gets out of hand & the message is 'Don't let it happen again' - that's the way I see the tune anyway. My opinion again & all that. So, the point I'm trying to make is that many bands write songs with varying messages & my examples show that it can be story-telling or political, educational - whatever. Do Christian bands have no imagination that I have to switch on the GOD Channel & am forced to hear the words "My God is an awesome God..." before the next channel pops up? Why must each track be loaded with Christian dogma? Certainly POD & Evanexcrecense don't seem as obvious (from the one or two tracks I've heard), but have they nowt else to fucking sing about? I'm just off down to the local Sunday School to see POD... -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of Devacor@aol.com Sent: 21 December 2003 16:46 To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Final Word on 'Christian Rawk' In a message dated 12/21/2003 11:38:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, vassifer@earthlink.net writes: I'm really not interested in getting into any more stupid spats about fuckin' Religion (with you *OR* with the mysterious Mr.West) It's such a hot-button topic that only leads to needless acrimony. Peace on Earth, Good Will towards Killing Joke. Amen, Alex in NYC Krishna rocked ruled and the best thing is they would have kicked your ass if you didnt agree.... ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C3C808.29810240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The thing that pisses me off about = Christian=20 Rawk & the shit we get on the (fuck me, this is funny!!) 'GOD = Channel' is=20 the fact that they're USUALLY banging-on about god being great or good = or=20 somesuch. So many just seem to do that & nowt else. Some even look = &=20 smell of Nickleback-itis & really, THAT is unforgiveable - we're = talking=20 artistic credibility here.
 
Hence, they seem to have their own = little=20 genre & niche market, etc, because people less or un interested in = the faith=20 of the band aren't interested in the blatant messages. Certainly, that's = how I=20 feel, but that's just MY OPINION before someone starts flaming = me.
 
When Maiden wrote Aces High, I'm = sure they=20 wrote it out of an interest of flying & romantic vision of warfare - = Bruce=20 is a pilot as we all know. When Slayer wrote Angel of Death, I'm = guessing that=20 they wanted to illustrate what can happen when man gets out of hand = & the=20 message is 'Don't let it happen again' - that's the way I see the = tune=20 anyway. My opinion again & all that.
 
So, the point I'm trying to make = is that=20 many bands write songs with varying messages & my examples show = that it=20 can be story-telling or political, educational - whatever. Do Christian = bands=20 have no imagination that I have to switch on the GOD Channel & am=20 forced to hear the words "My God is an awesome God..." before the = next=20 channel pops up? Why must each track be loaded with Christian dogma? = Certainly=20 POD & Evanexcrecense don't seem as obvious (from the one or two = tracks I've=20 heard), but have they nowt else to fucking sing about?
 
I'm just off down to the local = Sunday School=20 to see POD...
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On = Behalf Of=20 Devacor@aol.com
Sent: 21 December 2003 = 16:46
To:=20 gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Final Word on = 'Christian=20 Rawk'

In a message dated 12/21/2003 11:38:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 vassifer@earthlink.net writes:
I'm really not interested in getting into any more = stupid spats=20 about
fuckin' Religion (with you *OR* with the mysterious = Mr.West) It's=20 such
a hot-button topic that only leads to needless=20 acrimony.

Peace on Earth, Good Will towards Killing=20 Joke.

Amen,
Alex in NYC
Krishna rocked ruled and the best thing is they would have kicked = your=20 ass if you didnt agree....
------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C3C808.29810240-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 21:45:13 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (P) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:45:13 +0100 Subject: [kj] (not so) OT: RIAA In-Reply-To: <002401c3c808$29810240$0200a8c0@thelab.local> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C3C814.18B93D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://lame.sourceforge.net/download/riaa.gif funny isnt it? ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C3C814.18B93D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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funny isnt = it?
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C3C814.18B93D40-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 21:50:42 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alexander Smith) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:50:42 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: Another Final Word on 'Christian Rawk' In-Reply-To: <002401c3c808$29810240$0200a8c0@thelab.local> Message-ID: --Apple-Mail-2--753038032 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Alright I know I said I'd already submitted my "last word" on the=20 subject, but being that I'm a godless heathen, I of course lied. One last point I have against Christian Rock (and Culture Virus, please=20= don't take this to heart....it is not aimed at you in a hurtful,=20 disrespectful manner...it is aimed solely at the 'Christian Rock'=20 community): Rock'n'Roll is, was, and hopefully always will be *THE=20 DEVIL'S MUSIC*. Its origins are inherently steeped in sin and thoughts=20= of libidinous misbehaviour. To appropriate it and use it as a means of=20= shilling the pillars of a particular faith at otherwise unsuspecting=20 fans is a hollow subterfuge of the highest order. If it's played properly, rock'n'roll should encapsule all that=20 organized religion seemingly seeks to discourage: freedom,=20 self-reliance, accountability, etc. "KEEP MUSIC EVIL" - the Fatima Mansions Alex in NYC On Sunday, December 21, 2003, at 04:19 PM, ade wrote: > The thing that pisses me off about Christian Rawk & the shit we get on=20= > the (fuck me, this is funny!!) 'GOD Channel' is the fact that they're=20= > USUALLY banging-on about god being great or good or somesuch. So many=20= > just seem to do that & nowt else. Some even look & smell of=20 > Nickleback-itis & really, THAT is unforgiveable - we're talking=20 > artistic credibility here. > =A0 > Hence, they seem to have their own little genre & niche market, etc,=20= > because people less or un interested in the faith of the band aren't=20= > interested in the blatant messages. Certainly, that's how I feel, but=20= > that's just MY OPINION before someone starts flaming me. > =A0 > When Maiden wrote Aces High, I'm sure they wrote it out of an interest=20= > of flying & romantic vision of warfare - Bruce is a pilot as we all=20 > know. When Slayer wrote Angel of Death, I'm guessing that they wanted=20= > to illustrate what can happen when man gets out of hand & the message=20= > is 'Don't let=A0it happen again' - that's the way I see the tune = anyway.=20 > My opinion again & all that. > =A0 > So, the point I'm trying to make is that many bands write songs with=20= > varying messages=A0& my examples show that it can be story-telling or=20= > political, educational - whatever. Do Christian bands have no=20 > imagination that I have to switch on the GOD Channel & am forced=A0to=20= > hear the words "My God is an awesome God..." before the next channel=20= > pops up? Why must each track be loaded with Christian dogma? Certainly=20= > POD & Evanexcrecense don't seem as obvious (from the one or two tracks=20= > I've heard), but have they nowt else to fucking sing about? > =A0 > I'm just off down to the local Sunday School to see POD... > =A0 > =A0 > > -----Original Message----- > From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On=20= > Behalf Of Devacor@aol.com > Sent: 21 December 2003 16:46 > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Final Word on 'Christian Rawk' > > In a message dated 12/21/2003 11:38:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 > vassifer@earthlink.net writes: > > I'm really not interested in getting into any more stupid spats about > fuckin' Religion (with you *OR* with the mysterious Mr.West) It's such > a hot-button topic that only leads to needless acrimony. > > Peace on Earth, Good Will towards Killing Joke. > > Amen, > Alex in NYC > > Krishna rocked ruled and the best thing is they would have kicked your=20= > ass if you didnt agree.... > --Apple-Mail-2--753038032 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Alright I know I said I'd already submitted my "last word" on the subject, but being that I'm a godless heathen, I of course lied. One last point I have against Christian Rock (and Culture Virus, please don't take this to heart....it is not aimed at you in a hurtful, disrespectful manner...it is aimed solely at the 'Christian Rock' community): Rock'n'Roll is, was, and hopefully always will be *THE DEVIL'S MUSIC*. Its origins are inherently steeped in sin and thoughts of libidinous misbehaviour. To appropriate it and use it as a means of shilling the pillars of a particular faith at otherwise unsuspecting fans is a hollow subterfuge of the highest order. If it's played properly, rock'n'roll should encapsule all that organized religion seemingly seeks to discourage: freedom, self-reliance, accountability, etc. "KEEP MUSIC EVIL" - the Fatima Mansions Alex in NYC On Sunday, December 21, 2003, at 04:19 PM, ade wrote: The thing that pisses me off about Christian Rawk & the shit we get on the (fuck me, this is funny!!) 'GOD Channel' is the fact that they're USUALLY banging-on about god being great or good or somesuch. So many just seem to do that & nowt else. Some even look & smell of Nickleback-itis & really, THAT is unforgiveable - we're talking artistic credibility here. =A0 Hence, they seem to have their own little genre & niche market, etc, because people less or un interested in the faith of the band aren't interested in the blatant messages. Certainly, that's how I feel, but that's just MY OPINION before someone starts flaming me. =A0 When Maiden wrote Aces High, I'm sure they wrote it out of an interest of flying & romantic vision of warfare - Bruce is a pilot as we all know. When Slayer wrote Angel of Death, I'm guessing that they wanted to illustrate what can happen when man gets out of hand & the message is 'Don't let=A0it happen again' - that's the way I see the tune anyway. My opinion again & all that. =A0 So, the point I'm trying to make is that many bands write songs with varying messages=A0& my examples show that it can be story-telling or political, educational - whatever. Do Christian bands have no imagination that I have to switch on the GOD Channel & am forced=A0to hear the words "My God is an awesome God..." before the next channel pops up? Why must each track be loaded with Christian dogma? Certainly POD & Evanexcrecense don't seem as obvious (from the one or two tracks I've heard), but have they nowt else to fucking sing about? =A0 I'm just off down to the local Sunday School to see POD... =A0 =A0 -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of Devacor@aol.com Sent: 21 December 2003 16:46 To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Final Word on 'Christian Rawk' In a message dated 12/21/2003 11:38:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, vassifer@earthlink.net writes: ArialI'm really not interested in getting into any more stupid spats about fuckin' Religion (with you *OR* with the mysterious Mr.West) It's such a hot-button topic that only leads to needless acrimony. Peace on Earth, Good Will towards Killing Joke. Amen, Alex in NYC Krishna rocked ruled and the best thing is they would have kicked your ass if you didnt agree.... = --Apple-Mail-2--753038032-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 22:27:17 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Christian Cliff) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:27:17 +0000 Subject: [kj] (not so) OT: RIAA Message-ID: Saw this pic on the Feederz web site a long time ago, I think its still up there without the web address down the side.... Christian >From: "P" >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >To: >Subject: [kj] (not so) OT: RIAA >Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:45:13 +0100 > >http://lame.sourceforge.net/download/riaa.gif > >funny isnt it? _________________________________________________________________ Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local high-speed providers now. https://broadband.msn.com From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 22:31:02 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mike) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:31:02 -0500 Subject: [kj] Please remove me from this mess. References: Message-ID: <002401c3c812$1dbb8160$5359bd18@gunner> Could you please remove me from this message board. thnak you kindly mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jester" To: "Gathering" Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 5:28 AM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? > On 12/21/03 4:06 AM, "Bo Krogsgaard" wrote: > > > On 21 Dec 2003 at 3:58, Jester wrote: > > > >> Fuck the Christians. > > > > Fuck the Thelemites too while you're at it. > > > > Over and over and over again... > > > > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! > OCCISIO LOCATIO > > THE WEBMASTER, > JESTER > WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM > WWW.PARALLAX1.COM > > There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > > "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or > Gates?" > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 22:37:56 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:37:56 -0000 Subject: [kj] The world eagerly awaits............. Message-ID: <001c01c3c813$14d800e0$42cdff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C3C813.13FA4B10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable colesys answer to Question 24,On the yearly poll. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C3C813.13FA4B10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C3C813.13FA4B10-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 21 22:58:30 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?bluce=20ree?=) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:58:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] OT festive greeting thing In-Reply-To: <001c01c3c813$14d800e0$42cdff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: <20031221225830.36560.qmail@web86105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --0-560890365-1072047510=:36319 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm off to London for a week so I hope you Gatherers all have a top xmas. Also hope that Chelsea get nil points over the next week. Cheers rich --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now --0-560890365-1072047510=:36319 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I'm off to London for a week so I hope you Gatherers all have a top xmas.

Also hope that Chelsea get nil points over the next week.

Cheers

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Download Messenger Now --0-560890365-1072047510=:36319-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 00:30:41 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Michele Marchesan) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 01:30:41 +0100 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 References: <200312181816.hBIIGwOf006595@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <064f01c3c822$d4ef4640$8400000a@tmg32> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_064C_01C3C82B.361C9E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03I'm late... sorry 1) Your Name: Michele, but everybody call me Mike 2) Your Age: 39 3) Are you married and have you any children?=20 yap, two daughters 4) I live here: a stone throw from Venice, north east of Italy 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: last August when Dirk introduced me to the gathering at the KJ = Duesseldorf gig 6) What do you want for X-mas? a round the world air ticket and some time to read and play with my = daughters 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? 4 days in Manila (Philippines) that went far beyond any expectation 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? change to a better job and make my way to Tibet this summer 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: Mecano: the 1/2" universe... fucken brilliant, it was ages I was = looking for some Mecano stuff on a cd and they have remastered both = autoprtrait and retitled, plus singles and demos and live... bonzer = stuff! 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five = favorite releases of the year? Laibach - WAT Lisa gerrard - Whalerider Breathless - Behind the ligth Mecano - The 1/2" universe DAF - Funftzehn neue DAF leider Miraspinosa - e-motions (they're 6, I know but there isn't one I could exclude) 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Other than Killing joke, I saw And also the trees (good set), Sad = lovers and giants (super) and few punk groups in particular I saw John = Honest Plain of The Boys plus another couple of blokes and I ended up on = stage singing with them... brilliant! 12) Worst music you heard all year: Nothing worth remenbering... gotta be some crap on MTV 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of = ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need = not be restricted to music) Naaa, when something is weird I ask why the person is interested in = that stuff... I have a deep respect in what people think and I always = think that there should be a plausible reason for people to do and think = differently... apart from paedophiles... I'd cut the nonces penis off... 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: as joy division is not possible (I wouldn't mind seeing New Order = live, thou), the Chameleons would make me scream 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: none in particular... it's their own problem if they make foul of = themselves, I've other interesting things to look at 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: uhm... if I die I die - Virgin Prunes, plus some Throbbing Gristle = stuff... and Orange Juice and Josef K... alright, that should be it for = now 17) Most overrated music of the year: No idea 18) Most underrated music of the year: Killing joke and Laibach 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: Joy Division The Chameleons The Sound Echo and the Bunnymen The Wake The Names Mecano... ok, ok I stop... but... 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet KJ should work better into promoting themselves in general (internet = is one of the missed chances) 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really = like the following to happen: They come back and play in Bassano Italy (rumors say they will play = there in march, anyway) 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly = explain your reaction I saw them in Duesseldorf and Bristol and missed them in Sydney 'cos = ted missed the fucking plane, yeah great... fucken brilliant both sets = and that gave me the chance to meet the band, other funny people and = travel around for pleasure... great stuff 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the = red Krusty Clown? Anything! 25) Favorite track on the new album: Seeing red 26) Least favorite track on the new album: naa, there's not any less favourite 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have = been: The death and resurrection show... plays well on radio 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your = thoughts? no, where can I find it? 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next = Killing Joke record? Hector Zasou 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Wardance, since it was released actually 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT = THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? yeah... still waiting for a mug, thou 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable = site? the mug 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the = White House: the problem is not the man, it's the lobby electing him... so it = doesn't really matter 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? not at all... nothing will change 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: give him to the UN=20 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: If I knew I could make few bucks, could I? ... naaa, that's a farce, = he's playing cards with some CIA or Mossad people and having a laugh 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the = homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Most likely to to the extent of sept/11 but they will strike again 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? you're never prepared for such an instance... I just keep my finger = crossed... one one the most militarized places I ever saw was Istambul = and I thought, "God, I feel safe here"... well, ya all know the rest of = the story... 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September = 11, 2001? No, I think CIA and Mossad organised that 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? Back in the office, working... then my wife called me and said "they = have attacked the twin towers" 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office = would be: The president is useless, it's the lobbies behind him that rules... = he's just an iniffensive (for the lobbies) puppet 42) Tony Blair is a: _________. the male spitting image of maggie thatcher and that tells all about = parliamentary left and right 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American = Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: we've got Euros down here...=20 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling = why you feel this way. Support your argument: He's a puppet, a silly puppet who's there because he's reliable to his = influential electors and doesn't upset average people with his = intelligence... basically he's less clever that the people who elected = him and that is a guarantee... 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own = situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? none of the two, Jello Biafra would do! ::::END:::: ------=_NextPart_000_064C_01C3C82B.361C9E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
I'm late... sorry
1) Your Name:
Michele, but = everybody call=20 me Mike
 

2) Your Age:
 
39

3) Are you married and have = you any=20 children?
 
yap, = two=20 daughters

4) I live here:
 
a stone = throw from=20 Venice, north east of Italy

5) I've been = a=20 member of the Gathering since:
last August = when Dirk=20 introduced me to the gathering at the KJ Duesseldorf=20 gig

6) What do you want for X-mas?
 
a round the = world air=20 ticket and some time to read and play with my = daughters


7) Your biggest = extravagance of=20 the year?
 
4 days = in Manila=20 (Philippines) that went far beyond any = expectation


8) Your biggest hopes for 2004?
change to a = better job and=20 make my way to Tibet this summer

9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is = it?:
 
Mecano: the = 1/2"=20 universe... fucken brilliant, it was ages I was looking for some = Mecano stuff=20 on a cd and they have remastered both autoprtrait and retitled, plus = singles=20 and demos and live... bonzer stuff!


10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were = your top=20 five favorite releases of the year?
 
Laibach -=20 WAT
Lisa gerrard = -=20 Whalerider
Breathless - = Behind the=20 ligth
Mecano - The = 1/2"=20 universe
DAF - = Funftzehn neue DAF=20 leider
Miraspinosa -=20 e-motions
(they're 6, I know=20 but there isn't one I could exclude)


11) What live bands have you seen = recently. Did=20 they rate?
 
Other = than Killing=20 joke, I saw And also the trees (good set), Sad lovers and giants = (super) and=20 few punk groups in particular I saw John Honest Plain of The Boys plus = another=20 couple of blokes and I ended up on stage singing with them...=20 brilliant!

12) Worst music you heard all = year:
 
Nothing = worth=20 remenbering... gotta be some crap on = MTV

13) If=20 I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I = lose all=20 interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted = to=20 music)
 
Naaa, when = something is=20 weird I ask why the person is interested in that stuff... I have a = deep=20 respect in what people think and I always think that there should be a = plausible reason for people to do and think=20 differently...
 
apart from = paedophiles...=20 I'd cut the nonces penis off...


14) Band(s) most in = need of=20 reforming/touring/releasing new material:
 
as joy = division is not=20 possible (I wouldn't mind seeing New Order live, thou), the Chameleons = would=20 make me scream

15) Band(s) most in need of = hanging it=20 up and calling it a day:
 
none in = particular... it's=20 their own problem if they make foul of themselves, I've other = interesting=20 things to look at

16) Albums most in need of=20 re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee:
 
uhm... = if I die I die=20 - Virgin Prunes, plus some Throbbing Gristle stuff... and Orange Juice = and=20 Josef K... alright, that should be it for=20 now

17) Most overrated music of the=20 year:
No=20 idea

18) Most underrated music of the year:
Killing joke = and=20 Laibach

19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists=20 are:
Joy=20 Division
The=20 Chameleons
The=20 Sound
Echo and the=20 Bunnymen
The=20 Wake
The=20 Names
Mecano... ok, = ok I stop...=20 but...

20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the=20 Internet
KJ should = work better into=20 promoting themselves in general (internet is one of the missed=20 chances)

22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd = really=20 like the following to happen:
They come = back and play in=20 Bassano Italy (rumors say they will play there in march,=20 anyway)

23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, = briefly=20 explain your reaction
I saw them in = Duesseldorf=20 and Bristol and missed them in Sydney 'cos ted missed the fucking = plane, yeah=20 great... fucken brilliant both sets and that gave me the chance to = meet the=20 band, other funny people and travel around for pleasure... great=20 stuff

24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other = than=20 the red Krusty Clown?
 
Anything!

25) Favorite track = on the new=20 album:
Seeing=20 red

26) Least favorite track on the new album:
naa, there's = not any less=20 favourite

27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it = would have=20 been:
The death and = resurrection=20 show... plays well on radio

28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? = Your=20 thoughts?
no, where can = I find=20 it?

29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce = the next=20 Killing Joke record?
Hector=20 Zasou

30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world=20 today:
Wardance, = since it was=20 released actually

31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If = not, WHAT=20 THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR?
yeah... still = waiting for a=20 mug, thou

32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles = estimable=20 site?
the=20 mug

33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in = the=20 White House:
the problem = is not the man,=20 it's the lobby electing him... so it doesn't really=20 matter
 

34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been=20 apprehended?

not at=20 all... nothing will change
 
35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this=20 way:
give = him to the=20 UN

36) Where is Osama Bin Laden:
If I knew I = could make few=20 bucks, could I? ... naaa, that's a farce, he's playing cards with some = CIA or=20 Mossad people and having a laugh

 
37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on = the=20 homefront (US/UK/EUR)?
Most likely = to to the=20 extent of sept/11 but they will strike again
 

38) Do you feel prepared for another such = instance?
you're never = prepared for=20 such an instance... I just keep my finger crossed... one one the most=20 militarized places I ever saw was Istambul and I thought, "God, I feel = safe=20 here"... well, ya all know the rest of the = story...

39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of = September=20 11, 2001?
No, I think = CIA and Mossad=20 organised that
 

40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day?
Back in the = office,=20 working... then my wife called me and said "they have attacked the = twin=20 towers"

41) Were you the next American president, your first act in = office=20 would be:
The president = is useless,=20 it's the lobbies behind him that rules... he's just an iniffensive = (for the=20 lobbies) puppet

42) Tony Blair is a: _________.
 
the male = spitting image of=20 maggie thatcher and that tells all about parliamentary left and=20 right

43) They want replace Franklin Delano = Roosevelt's=20 face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your = reaction:
we've = got Euros down=20 here...

44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your = feeling=20 why you feel this way. Support your argument:
He's a = puppet, a silly=20 puppet who's there because he's reliable to his influential electors = and=20 doesn't upset average people with his intelligence... basically he's = less=20 clever that the people who elected him and that is a=20 guarantee...

45) Under which American administration was the world/your = own=20 situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's?
none of the = two, Jello=20 Biafra would do!

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------=_NextPart_000_064C_01C3C82B.361C9E60-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 02:40:07 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (sade1) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 18:40:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] Jane's year end poll & a wee addition of my own In-Reply-To: <200312192044.hBJKiPcU010299@basil.jkm.net> Message-ID: <20031222024007.27365.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> --- Amy Moseley Rupp wrote: I would ask Santa > to rectally implant a roll of the new coinage up every Republican ongressman's arse. Then beat them with a stick like a f___in' pin'ata until the coins shower onto the floor. S ===== WHO WOULD JESUS BOMB? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 02:49:18 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (sade1) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 18:49:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT: Goth In-Reply-To: <200312192141.hBJLf5xl012677@basil.jkm.net> Message-ID: <20031222024918.87790.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> > Hey, my 11-year-old fancies a song that contains the lyrics > "Girls like cars and money" (I fink, either that or guys with > money). > (blechhhhhhh) There's also that song where the girl sings, "The best things in life are free but you can give them to the birds and bees(?) I want MONEY..." ===== Pax Obiscum WHO WOULD JESUS BOMB? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 02:54:44 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (sade1) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 18:54:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT Friday Crappage In-Reply-To: <200312192151.hBJLpApt012745@basil.jkm.net> Message-ID: <20031222025444.16727.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com> > it is mere scientific curiosity that motivates me to > share these things, but don't mention to them that they also feel less of the sensations than un-cut/un-edited men get to feel. In Sweden they've outlawed it altogether, but in Israel it is all the rage. S ===== Pax Obiscum WHO WOULD JESUS BOMB? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 03:24:00 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (sade1) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:24:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? In-Reply-To: <7d.434df4f8.2d152d18@aol.com> Message-ID: <20031222032400.20573.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com> So your opinion is that, "1. They're Christians, which renders > their music > instantly moot, as far as I'm concerned." Q: Which WHICH renders their music moot? that they're X-IANS or that THEY'RE X-ians? No mention here of Xian rock (which i rather hate thoroughly) And > "Is it all moot because of their religious beliefs?" > I [Alex]never said that. >My point was that Christian Rock sucks...a statement I'll stand behind. ...sounds conflicting, if not contradictory. S ===== Pax Obiscum WHO WOULD JESUS BOMB? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 03:31:04 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (sade1) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:31:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here? In-Reply-To: <006f01c3c6bc$5c2b51c0$1fc683d9@ibm559c085> Message-ID: <20031222033104.49116.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> --- Ross O'Donoghue wrote: > the peculiar notions of the few thought-police hanging around > here who seem > inordinately concerned that we think the 'right' things. and still no one sets out *WHAT*, to paraphrase, the mindset of 'the TRUE joker' is, that we may know when we have strayed off course or otherwise have "left the reservation". > BUT....THE POINT IS......FREEDOM &TOLERANCE ( on my terms, of > course) of course Saul ===== Pax Obiscum WHO WOULD JESUS BOMB? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 04:27:48 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (culture.virus) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:27:48 -0800 Subject: [kj] OT: Another Final Word on 'Christian Rawk' In-Reply-To: References: <002401c3c808$29810240$0200a8c0@thelab.local> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031221202525.02a6cec0@127.0.0.1> Rock and roll the "devil's music"? That Bill Haley always seemed like such a nice guy too... At 01:50 PM 12/21/03, you wrote: >Alright I know I said I'd already submitted my "last word" on the subject, >but being that I'm a godless heathen, I of course lied. > >One last point I have against Christian Rock (and Culture Virus, please >don't take this to heart....it is not aimed at you in a hurtful, >disrespectful manner...it is aimed solely at the 'Christian Rock' >community): Rock'n'Roll is, was, and hopefully always will be *THE DEVIL'S >MUSIC*. Its origins are inherently steeped in sin and thoughts of >libidinous misbehaviour. To appropriate it and use it as a means of >shilling the pillars of a particular faith at otherwise unsuspecting fans >is a hollow subterfuge of the highest order. > >If it's played properly, rock'n'roll should encapsule all that organized >religion seemingly seeks to discourage: freedom, self-reliance, >accountability, etc. > >"KEEP MUSIC EVIL" > - the Fatima Mansions > >Alex in NYC > > > > > > > >On Sunday, December 21, 2003, at 04:19 PM, ade wrote: > >>The thing that pisses me off about Christian Rawk & the shit we get on >>the (fuck me, this is funny!!) 'GOD Channel' is the fact that they're >>USUALLY banging-on about god being great or good or somesuch. So many >>just seem to do that & nowt else. Some even look & smell of >>Nickleback-itis & really, THAT is unforgiveable - we're talking artistic >>credibility here. >> >>Hence, they seem to have their own little genre & niche market, etc, >>because people less or un interested in the faith of the band aren't >>interested in the blatant messages. Certainly, that's how I feel, but >>that's just MY OPINION before someone starts flaming me. >> >>When Maiden wrote Aces High, I'm sure they wrote it out of an interest of >>flying & romantic vision of warfare - Bruce is a pilot as we all know. >>When Slayer wrote Angel of Death, I'm guessing that they wanted to >>illustrate what can happen when man gets out of hand & the message is >>'Don't let it happen again' - that's the way I see the tune anyway. My >>opinion again & all that. >> >>So, the point I'm trying to make is that many bands write songs with >>varying messages & my examples show that it can be story-telling or >>political, educational - whatever. Do Christian bands have no imagination >>that I have to switch on the GOD Channel & am forced to hear the words >>"My God is an awesome God..." before the next channel pops up? Why must >>each track be loaded with Christian dogma? Certainly POD & Evanexcrecense >>don't seem as obvious (from the one or two tracks I've heard), but have >>they nowt else to fucking sing about? >> >>I'm just off down to the local Sunday School to see POD... >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: gathering-admin@misera.net >>[mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On >>Behalf Of Devacor@aol.com >>Sent: 21 December 2003 16:46 >>To: gathering@misera.net >>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Final Word on 'Christian Rawk' >> >>In a message dated 12/21/2003 11:38:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, >>vassifer@earthlink.net writes: >> >>I'm really not interested in getting into any more stupid spats about >>fuckin' Religion (with you *OR* with the mysterious Mr.West) It's such >>a hot-button topic that only leads to needless acrimony. >> >>Peace on Earth, Good Will towards Killing Joke. >> >>Amen, >>Alex in NYC >> >>Krishna rocked ruled and the best thing is they would have kicked your >>ass if you didnt agree.... > I am culturevirus From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 04:47:47 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:47:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] NO MORE OT EVER Message-ID: <5999638.1072068467673.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> I agree with Joe - I must admit the last week I've just been getting my mail every few days, and deleting every OT Gathering post cos I can't be bothered to wade through it - but it's no big deal. I've been guilty, in fact me and Joe had a right barney about the Afghan war I seem to remember, but we're better people for it! And it is the spirit of the Gathering. I mean, personally I'd rather people didn't have discussions about the technical aspects of Geordie's amps cos it bores the crap out of me... Like the TV, if you don't like the show you're watching then change channels or turn it off. Same with OT mail - you don't have to read it. N > from: Jester > date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:22:31 > to: gathering@misera.net > subject: Re: [kj] NO MORE OT EVER > > To me, no OT means no talk ever about our own lives. No talk about various > members musical endeavors, no talk of family and it really would be a very > cold dark place here. No friendships would ever be formed if we stopped all > OT. With no OT, things would just suck, and I honestly think the gathering > would die off. You may think it sucks with all the OT, but it would really > fucking blow if there ere ONLY talk of Killing Joke. > > Cliff, we would not be friends, I would not know about Alex and Peg's first > child coming into the world in a few months, I would not have known Dave > Axford the way I do, and have phone calls from round the world, like the > call we made a to Bo a few weeks ago, or Alexi calling from Chi town the day > the Joke was there. We have personally made a shit load of good friends due > to the gathering, and a lot of it has to do with the fact that we all post > OT sometimes. > > Also, as in my earlier post...the OT are in a round about way about the > Joke. That argument has been made by several, and does hold a lot of weight. > If there is no OT, why even have an email list? Just go to the web site and > see what's going on. No need for discussion bout it really, as that might go > OT, as it so often times does. > > On 12/21/03 12:10 PM, "Alexander Smith" wrote: > > > > > Look, I apologize for this -- and many other -- OT discussions. Cliff, > > you know I love ya, but imposing a "NO OT EVER" policy is postively > > Talibanesque. To kick a very dead horse, imagine going to a party and > > only being allowed to discuss one, solitary topic. It's draconian. > > > > Regardless of any political/religious/ethical/aesthetic differences > > among all the members of the Gathering, I doubt there's a solitary > > individual among us who doesn't regard Killing Joke as the > > unquestionable priority of the list. But, y'know, how many times can we > > debate certain *ON* topic subjects like "OUTSIDE THE GATE: Crap or > > Not?" or "Who is a better skinsman? BPF or Atkins or Animal from > > Dr.Teeth & the Electric Mayhem?" I think a little OT is fine. It also > > aptly demonstrates what a vast reach Killing Joke spans. For example, > > until these recent weeks, I never in a million years would have > > expected as many hardline Right-Wing Hawks and former evangelical > > christians to count themselves as fans of Killing Joke. It's a > > testament to the band's appeal. I also personally do find it > > fascinating to hear what the cross-section of folks has to say on a > > variety of subjects. While Peter West and Culture Virus and Jester Joe > > and myself and many others may have wildly different opinions on the > > State of the World, we all come together as fans of Killing Joke. I > > think that's interesting, myself. > > > > Obviously, some discussions carry on too long or get too snipey and > > personal. While the entertainment value of these sorts of discussions > > can be high (though not while you're involved in one, I can tell you > > that), I can understand how it could become a bit of a mailbox-clogging > > bore to have to sift through them. So, apologies for that. But > > declaring a Fatwa on OT posts seems a bit narrow to me. > > > > But, y'know, what the fuck do I know anyway? I'm a scarred hypocritcal > > demagogue who uses the Bible as a doorstop. > > > > "You'd Wipe Out Spaztics if You Had the Chance,....but Jesus Wouldn't > > Like it! NOOOOOO!' > > > > Alex in nYc > > > > > > > > On Sunday, December 21, 2003, at 03:29 PM, Will E Scheipers wrote: > > > >> Get ready for a bagful of vengeance then, OT lives forever. > >> > >> From, > >> Will > >> > >> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 02:39:14 -0900 "Cliff and Kara Livingston" > >> writes: > >> > >> NO MORE OFF TOPIC E-MAILS EVER...i want to instigate no more OT > >> e-mail,sick of this crap... > >> Killing Joke is a great band,and i want to be a part of this group,but > >> i don't want any more goiddamn OT e-ails. ENUF ALREADY. > >> the next person who sends OT is getting my wrath.....and anyone else > >> who sends OT is getting 100 plus OT personal mail from me ...i have > >> 1,900 gathering e-mails unread and i've had enuf bullshit...please > >> send info on Killing Joke...but give us a rest from the crap...if you > >> have to talk shit,please write on amessage board or go to the > >> chatroom,ya wankers. UN OT CLIFF > >> > >> > >> > > > > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! > OCCISIO LOCATIO > > THE WEBMASTER, > JESTER > WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM > WWW.PARALLAX1.COM > > There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > > "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or > Gates?" > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -- 'Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum' -- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 04:53:48 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (culture.virus) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:53:48 -0800 Subject: [kj] OT: Final Word on 'Christian Rawk' In-Reply-To: <424C044F-33D4-11D8-BB6C-000A95E608B4@earthlink.net> References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031220191407.029aac40@127.0.0.1> <424C044F-33D4-11D8-BB6C-000A95E608B4@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031221203107.02a6f0a0@127.0.0.1> At 08:39 AM 12/21/03, you wrote: >****ALEX'S FINAL WORD ON THE GREAT CHRISTIAN ROCK WIND-UP OF 2003**** > >Culture Virus et al.,....... > >Seems we're all a little more reasonable on Sunday mornings. Wonder why >that is! > >Look, in all candor, my initial comments about Evanescence were basically >a dismisive joke. In truth, as Cutlure Virus, pointed out, their lyrics >only *VAGUELY* (from what I can hear) allude to their faith. But, it has >been largely documented that they sprang from the community of 'Christian >Rock'. And seriously --- regardless of your spiritual leanings, you must >admit me this: 'CHRISTIAN ROCK' AS A VIABLE GENRE is pretty damn awful >(please read: CHRISTIAN ROCK and *NOT* Rock made by Musicians who *HAPPEN* >to be Christians. I'm talking about a SPECIFIC GENRE). Said scene has yet >to produce an act that is capable of transcending the limitations of their >genre (i.e. constant allusions to worshiping the lord) and reached a >larger audience. The only real example that comes to mind is fuckin' Creed >(and please, please, please don't try to tell me that they don't suck!) >But all those other bands: DC3, Jars of Clay and whatnot....regardless of >their spirituality, I just happen to think their music isn't very good and >that they're way too caught up in "the message". You're right about no bands transcending the genre with any real notoriety. The Christian rock scene doesn't claim Creed as one of their own nor did Creed start on any of the many Xian labels. So you can hate them just because they suck. As I said before I don't call myself Xian any more merely a Deist. Nor do I feel the need to defend the genre to any great degree. But I will say this; there's way more to the genre than what surfaces enough to be noticed by the general populace. As with any subgenre we all know that there's a great deal of dreck and a small number of really good bands. Some day when there's not so much tension on the list, I'll tell everyone who doesn't know, about the one and two degrees of separation between KJ and the Christian rock scene. >Peace on Earth, Good Will towards Killing Joke. Long may they reign >Amen, >Alex in NYC I am culturevirus From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 04:56:49 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Cliff and Kara Livingston) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:56:49 -0900 Subject: [kj] OT OT References: <5999638.1072068467673.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <001601c3c848$06f7a7c0$b88a70d1@antifrz> Hey Thanks,Neil,Jester & Antoni, Cheers guys I appologise for my grumpy ot about ot Off to chatroom,see ya...Cliff http://www.killing-joke.com/chat ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [kj] NO MORE OT EVER > I agree with Joe - I must admit the last week I've just been getting my mail every few days, and deleting every OT Gathering post cos I can't be bothered to wade through it - but it's no big deal. I've been guilty, in fact me and Joe had a right barney about the Afghan war I seem to remember, but we're better people for it! And it is the spirit of the Gathering. I mean, personally I'd rather people didn't have discussions about the technical aspects of Geordie's amps cos it bores the crap out of me... > > Like the TV, if you don't like the show you're watching then change channels or turn it off. Same with OT mail - you don't have to read it. > N > > > > from: Jester > > date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:22:31 > > to: gathering@misera.net > > subject: Re: [kj] NO MORE OT EVER > > > > To me, no OT means no talk ever about our own lives. No talk about various > > members musical endeavors, no talk of family and it really would be a very > > cold dark place here. No friendships would ever be formed if we stopped all > > OT. With no OT, things would just suck, and I honestly think the gathering > > would die off. You may think it sucks with all the OT, but it would really > > fucking blow if there ere ONLY talk of Killing Joke. > > > > Cliff, we would not be friends, I would not know about Alex and Peg's first > > child coming into the world in a few months, I would not have known Dave > > Axford the way I do, and have phone calls from round the world, like the > > call we made a to Bo a few weeks ago, or Alexi calling from Chi town the day > > the Joke was there. We have personally made a shit load of good friends due > > to the gathering, and a lot of it has to do with the fact that we all post > > OT sometimes. > > > > Also, as in my earlier post...the OT are in a round about way about the > > Joke. That argument has been made by several, and does hold a lot of weight. > > If there is no OT, why even have an email list? Just go to the web site and > > see what's going on. No need for discussion bout it really, as that might go > > OT, as it so often times does. > > > > On 12/21/03 12:10 PM, "Alexander Smith" wrote: > > > > > > > > Look, I apologize for this -- and many other -- OT discussions. Cliff, > > > you know I love ya, but imposing a "NO OT EVER" policy is postively > > > Talibanesque. To kick a very dead horse, imagine going to a party and > > > only being allowed to discuss one, solitary topic. It's draconian. > > > > > > Regardless of any political/religious/ethical/aesthetic differences > > > among all the members of the Gathering, I doubt there's a solitary > > > individual among us who doesn't regard Killing Joke as the > > > unquestionable priority of the list. But, y'know, how many times can we > > > debate certain *ON* topic subjects like "OUTSIDE THE GATE: Crap or > > > Not?" or "Who is a better skinsman? BPF or Atkins or Animal from > > > Dr.Teeth & the Electric Mayhem?" I think a little OT is fine. It also > > > aptly demonstrates what a vast reach Killing Joke spans. For example, > > > until these recent weeks, I never in a million years would have > > > expected as many hardline Right-Wing Hawks and former evangelical > > > christians to count themselves as fans of Killing Joke. It's a > > > testament to the band's appeal. I also personally do find it > > > fascinating to hear what the cross-section of folks has to say on a > > > variety of subjects. While Peter West and Culture Virus and Jester Joe > > > and myself and many others may have wildly different opinions on the > > > State of the World, we all come together as fans of Killing Joke. I > > > think that's interesting, myself. > > > > > > Obviously, some discussions carry on too long or get too snipey and > > > personal. While the entertainment value of these sorts of discussions > > > can be high (though not while you're involved in one, I can tell you > > > that), I can understand how it could become a bit of a mailbox-clogging > > > bore to have to sift through them. So, apologies for that. But > > > declaring a Fatwa on OT posts seems a bit narrow to me. > > > > > > But, y'know, what the fuck do I know anyway? I'm a scarred hypocritcal > > > demagogue who uses the Bible as a doorstop. > > > > > > "You'd Wipe Out Spaztics if You Had the Chance,....but Jesus Wouldn't > > > Like it! NOOOOOO!' > > > > > > Alex in nYc > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, December 21, 2003, at 03:29 PM, Will E Scheipers wrote: > > > > > >> Get ready for a bagful of vengeance then, OT lives forever. > > >> > > >> From, > > >> Will > > >> > > >> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 02:39:14 -0900 "Cliff and Kara Livingston" > > >> writes: > > >> > > >> NO MORE OFF TOPIC E-MAILS EVER...i want to instigate no more OT > > >> e-mail,sick of this crap... > > >> Killing Joke is a great band,and i want to be a part of this group,but > > >> i don't want any more goiddamn OT e-ails. ENUF ALREADY. > > >> the next person who sends OT is getting my wrath.....and anyone else > > >> who sends OT is getting 100 plus OT personal mail from me ...i have > > >> 1,900 gathering e-mails unread and i've had enuf bullshit...please > > >> send info on Killing Joke...but give us a rest from the crap...if you > > >> have to talk shit,please write on amessage board or go to the > > >> chatroom,ya wankers. UN OT CLIFF > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! > > OCCISIO LOCATIO > > > > THE WEBMASTER, > > JESTER > > WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM > > WWW.PARALLAX1.COM > > > > There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > > > > "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or > > Gates?" > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > -- 'Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum' -- > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 05:06:12 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Falcata-Galia Recordings) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:06:12 -0800 Subject: [kj] OT: Final Word on 'Christian Rawk' In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031221203107.02a6f0a0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <010201c3c849$58223330$6600a8c0@rudolph> I'd like to hear more about it, privately, of course... I figure the band has some rather Apocalyptic leanings, anyway. Regards, Rudolph A. Carrera Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's Information Center http://members.tripod.com/rudy_info_ctr/home.htm -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of culture.virus Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 8:54 PM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Final Word on 'Christian Rawk' At 08:39 AM 12/21/03, you wrote: >****ALEX'S FINAL WORD ON THE GREAT CHRISTIAN ROCK WIND-UP OF 2003**** > >Culture Virus et al.,....... > >Seems we're all a little more reasonable on Sunday mornings. Wonder why >that is! > >Look, in all candor, my initial comments about Evanescence were basically=20 >a dismisive joke. In truth, as Cutlure Virus, pointed out, their lyrics >only *VAGUELY* (from what I can hear) allude to their faith. But, it has=20 >been largely documented that they sprang from the community of 'Christian=20 >Rock'. And seriously --- regardless of your spiritual leanings, you must=20 >admit me this: 'CHRISTIAN ROCK' AS A VIABLE GENRE is pretty damn awful=20 >(please read: CHRISTIAN ROCK and *NOT* Rock made by Musicians who *HAPPEN*=20 >to be Christians. I'm talking about a SPECIFIC GENRE). Said scene has yet=20 >to produce an act that is capable of transcending the limitations of their=20 >genre (i.e. constant allusions to worshiping the lord) and reached a=20 >larger audience. The only real example that comes to mind is fuckin' Creed=20 >(and please, please, please don't try to tell me that they don't suck!) >But all those other bands: DC3, Jars of Clay and whatnot....regardless of=20 >their spirituality, I just happen to think their music isn't very good and=20 >that they're way too caught up in "the message". You're right about no bands transcending the genre with any real notoriety.=20 The Christian rock scene doesn't claim Creed as one of their own nor did Creed start on any of the many Xian labels. So you can hate them just=20 because they suck. As I said before I don't call myself Xian any more=20 merely a Deist. Nor do I feel the need to defend the genre to any great=20 degree. But I will say this; there's way more to the genre than what=20 surfaces enough to be noticed by the general populace. As with any subgenre=20 we all know that there's a great deal of dreck and a small number of really=20 good bands. Some day when there's not so much tension on the list, I'll tell everyone=20 who doesn't know, about the one and two degrees of separation between KJ and the Christian rock scene. >Peace on Earth, Good Will towards Killing Joke. Long may they reign >Amen, >Alex in NYC I am culturevirus=20 _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 06:01:56 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 01:01:56 -0500 Subject: [kj] no mo' ot ??engarde In-Reply-To: <5999638.1072068467673.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <3FE64284.32640.10B0486@localhost> <>> hey fuck off neil you rim lickin' right wing nut sperm gulper!!!!!!!!! haha just kidding! how dare you express your opinion ;) seriously, i admit it can be tedious wading through all the details posted by gatherers interested in geordie's sound..just as the crowley stuff may be to some etc..whatever, but none the less, so many of us are obsessed and can't help it. the gathering is our AA for GW , our GWA? if it is any consolation, lately the gear nuts have tried to stear the golden harp chin wagging into the chat. maybe it will catch on for other a'nnoying' topics. and the gathering can just fade into oblivion. then again, folks in the chat may begin to complain about not enough inane chat, and kj talk will be banned from there. what are we to do..hmmm? ctrl> highlight>drag>delete i say and quit our whinnin' otherwise just take it in stride, weather the storms. btw, no more whinnin' haha just kidding.... do what thou wilt...ENGARDE!! From: neilfperry@btinternet.com To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] NO MORE OT EVER Send reply to: gathering@misera.net Date sent: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:47:47 +0000 (GMT) > I agree with Joe - I must admit the last week I've just been getting my mail every few days, and deleting every OT Gathering post cos I can't be bothered to wade through it - but it's no big deal. I've been guilty, in fact me and Joe had a right barney about the Afghan war I seem to remember, but we're better people for it! And it is the spirit of the Gathering. I mean, personally I'd rather people didn't have discussions about the technical aspects of Geordie's amps cos it bores the crap out of me... > > Like the TV, if you don't like the show you're watching then change channels or turn it off. Same with OT mail - you don't have to read it. > N > > > > from: Jester > > date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:22:31 > > to: gathering@misera.net > > subject: Re: [kj] NO MORE OT EVER > > > > To me, no OT means no talk ever about our own lives. No talk about various > > members musical endeavors, no talk of family and it really would be a very > > cold dark place here. No friendships would ever be formed if we stopped all > > OT. With no OT, things would just suck, and I honestly think the gathering > > would die off. You may think it sucks with all the OT, but it would really > > fucking blow if there ere ONLY talk of Killing Joke. > > > > Cliff, we would not be friends, I would not know about Alex and Peg's first > > child coming into the world in a few months, I would not have known Dave > > Axford the way I do, and have phone calls from round the world, like the > > call we made a to Bo a few weeks ago, or Alexi calling from Chi town the day > > the Joke was there. We have personally made a shit load of good friends due > > to the gathering, and a lot of it has to do with the fact that we all post > > OT sometimes. > > > > Also, as in my earlier post...the OT are in a round about way about the > > Joke. That argument has been made by several, and does hold a lot of weight. > > If there is no OT, why even have an email list? Just go to the web site and > > see what's going on. No need for discussion bout it really, as that might go > > OT, as it so often times does. > > > > On 12/21/03 12:10 PM, "Alexander Smith" wrote: > > > > > > > > Look, I apologize for this -- and many other -- OT discussions. Cliff, > > > you know I love ya, but imposing a "NO OT EVER" policy is postively > > > Talibanesque. To kick a very dead horse, imagine going to a party and > > > only being allowed to discuss one, solitary topic. It's draconian. > > > > > > Regardless of any political/religious/ethical/aesthetic differences > > > among all the members of the Gathering, I doubt there's a solitary > > > individual among us who doesn't regard Killing Joke as the > > > unquestionable priority of the list. But, y'know, how many times can we > > > debate certain *ON* topic subjects like "OUTSIDE THE GATE: Crap or > > > Not?" or "Who is a better skinsman? BPF or Atkins or Animal from > > > Dr.Teeth & the Electric Mayhem?" I think a little OT is fine. It also > > > aptly demonstrates what a vast reach Killing Joke spans. For example, > > > until these recent weeks, I never in a million years would have > > > expected as many hardline Right-Wing Hawks and former evangelical > > > christians to count themselves as fans of Killing Joke. It's a > > > testament to the band's appeal. I also personally do find it > > > fascinating to hear what the cross-section of folks has to say on a > > > variety of subjects. While Peter West and Culture Virus and Jester Joe > > > and myself and many others may have wildly different opinions on the > > > State of the World, we all come together as fans of Killing Joke. I > > > think that's interesting, myself. > > > > > > Obviously, some discussions carry on too long or get too snipey and > > > personal. While the entertainment value of these sorts of discussions > > > can be high (though not while you're involved in one, I can tell you > > > that), I can understand how it could become a bit of a mailbox-clogging > > > bore to have to sift through them. So, apologies for that. But > > > declaring a Fatwa on OT posts seems a bit narrow to me. > > > > > > But, y'know, what the fuck do I know anyway? I'm a scarred hypocritcal > > > demagogue who uses the Bible as a doorstop. > > > > > > "You'd Wipe Out Spaztics if You Had the Chance,....but Jesus Wouldn't > > > Like it! NOOOOOO!' > > > > > > Alex in nYc > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, December 21, 2003, at 03:29 PM, Will E Scheipers wrote: > > > > > >> Get ready for a bagful of vengeance then, OT lives forever. > > >> > > >> From, > > >> Will > > >> > > >> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 02:39:14 -0900 "Cliff and Kara Livingston" > > >> writes: > > >> > > >> NO MORE OFF TOPIC E-MAILS EVER...i want to instigate no more OT > > >> e-mail,sick of this crap... > > >> Killing Joke is a great band,and i want to be a part of this group,but > > >> i don't want any more goiddamn OT e-ails. ENUF ALREADY. > > >> the next person who sends OT is getting my wrath.....and anyone else > > >> who sends OT is getting 100 plus OT personal mail from me ...i have > > >> 1,900 gathering e-mails unread and i've had enuf bullshit...please > > >> send info on Killing Joke...but give us a rest from the crap...if you > > >> have to talk shit,please write on amessage board or go to the > > >> chatroom,ya wankers. UN OT CLIFF > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! > > OCCISIO LOCATIO > > > > THE WEBMASTER, > > JESTER > > WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM > > WWW.PARALLAX1.COM > > > > There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > > > > "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or > > Gates?" > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > -- 'Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum' -- > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 07:34:28 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:34:28 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: Final Word on 'Christian Rawk' Message-ID: <48c784bcbb.4bcbb48c78@iol.cz> What is good about christian rock in my view is that it further discredits religion... -)) God didn't created man, but man created the god to rule over and dominate him. (Ludwig Feuerbach said something like this) Hishest expresion of human beings alientation from their own conditions. From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 10:04:39 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:04:39 +0000 Subject: [kj] the poll Message-ID: --============_-1140035004==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" My turn: 1) Your Name: michael harold thomas christopher coles aka mike, colesy, mikey c 2) Your Age: 52 for the next ten days 3) Are you married and have you any children? yes to luriko, a wonderfully tolerant wife and we have a girlwoman, 16 and a boychild, 11 4) I live here: kilburn, london, england 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: 2002 6) What do you want for X-mas? contentment 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? visiting dirk and alex in NYC, but fortunately KJ were playing there at the same time 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? to make malicious damage a real record label again (and profitable) 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: teledubgnosis - magnetic learning center, it's ted parsons and friends and it's dubtastic (i swapped it for a t-shirt so it counts as buying) 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? i think this year has been pretty crap but here's four: teledubgnosis (see above), alabama 3 - power in the blood, black eyed peas - elephunk, jean grae - attack of the attacking things 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? don't get out too much these days but the last few were killing joke, manu dibango, blind boys of alabama and nils petter molvaer - all fantastic 12) Worst music you heard all year: the darkness probably wasn't the worst but definitely the most overrated 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of extreme right-wing politics, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music) 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: headcount 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: arthur lee and love 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: firedances 17) Most overrated music of the year: the darkness 18) Most underrated music of the year: headcount 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: manu dibango, jimi hendrix, burning spear, nils petter molvaer, alabama 3 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet it's very good for us avid followers but i think any casual observers were lost the minute they tried to log onto kj.com 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: new management with a real passion for the music but also a major player with clout 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction yes and i enjoyed each gig as, to me, killing have always been better live, even with crap sound than anything they've ever recorded in the studio 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? dead kittens? 25) Favorite track on the new album: blood on your hands 26) Least favorite track on the new album: loose cannon 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: seeing red 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? no 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? no-one, i think andy gill did a good job and if a thing ain't broke don't fix it 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: pssyche 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? pass, but i did give myself clock no 003 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? music and i'm working on it 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: michael moore 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? no, i never felt threatened 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: let his countrymen and women try him in iraq 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: afghanistan? 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? no 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? i see no point in worrying about it along with being drowned in a flood, knocked down by a bus, struck by lightning etc etc - if it happens it happens and i'll deal with it then 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? no but saudi arabia did 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? sitting here in the skylite zone watching it all on telly 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: ban guns 42) Tony Blair is a: prat 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: none 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument: false, he knows exactly what he's doing, what he wants to do and he's doing it - and an idiot couldn't lose a presidential election and still end up in office 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? clinton's ::::END:::: -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk --============_-1140035004==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" the poll

My turn:

1) Your Name: michael harold thomas christopher coles aka mike, colesy, mikey c
2) Your Age: 52 for the next ten days
3) Are you married and have you any children?
yes to luriko, a wonderfully tolerant wife and we have a girlwoman, 16 and a boychild, 11

4) I live here:
kilburn, london, england

5) I've been a member of the Gathering since:
2002
6) What do you want for X-mas?
contentment

7) Your biggest extravagance of the year?
visiting dirk and alex in NYC, but fortunately KJ were playing there at the same time

8) Your biggest hopes for 2004?
to make malicious damage a real record label again (and profitable)

9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?:
teledubgnosis - magnetic learning center, it's ted parsons and friends and it's dubtastic (i swapped it for a t-shirt so it counts as buying)

10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year?
i think this year has been pretty crap but here's four: teledubgnosis (see above), alabama 3 - power in the blood, black eyed peas - elephunk, jean grae - attack of the attacking things

11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate?
don't get out too much these days but the last few were killing joke, manu dibango, blind boys of alabama and nils petter molvaer - all fantastic

12) Worst music you heard all year:
the darkness probably wasn't the worst but definitely the most overrated
13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of extreme right-wing politics, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music)

14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material:
headcount

15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day:
arthur lee and love
16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee:
firedances
17) Most overrated music of the year:
the darkness
18) Most underrated music of the year:
headcount

19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are:
manu dibango, jimi hendrix, burning spear, nils petter molvaer, alabama 3

20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet
it's very good for us avid followers but i think any casual observers were lost the minute they tried to log onto kj.com

22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen:
new management with a real passion for the music but also a major player with clout

23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction
yes and i enjoyed each gig as, to me, killing have always been better live, even with crap sound than anything they've ever recorded in the studio
24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown?
dead kittens?
25) Favorite track on the new album:
blood on your hands
26) Least favorite track on the new album:
loose cannon
27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been:
seeing red
28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts?
no
29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record?
no-one, i think andy gill did a good job and if a thing ain't broke don't fix it
30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today:
pssyche
31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR?
pass, but i did give myself clock no 003
32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site?
music and i'm working on it
33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House:
michael moore
34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended?
no, i never felt threatened
35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way:
let his countrymen and women try him in iraq
36) Where is Osama Bin Laden:
afghanistan?
37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)?
no
38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance?
i see no point in worrying about it along with being drowned in a flood, knocked down by a bus, struck by lightning etc etc - if it happens it happens and i'll deal with it then
39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001?
no but saudi arabia did
40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day?
sitting here in the skylite zone watching it all on telly
41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be:
ban guns
42) Tony Blair is a: prat

43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction:
none
44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument:
false, he knows exactly what he's doing, what he wants to do and he's doing it - and an idiot couldn't lose a presidential election and still end up in office
45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's?
clinton's
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--============_-1140035004==_ma============-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 10:43:07 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Rob's Arse) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:43:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] the poll Message-ID: <20031222104308.321227273@sitemail.everyone.net> See kids. If you suck cock it DOES work! Thanks Mr C. I KNOW you're right. 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: headcount 18) Most underrated music of the year: headcount _____________________________________________________________ Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of worldmap.com) From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 10:50:00 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Shadforth, Jane E SUKOP-UOIT/42) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:50:00 -0000 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Message-ID: <4E1B682DEDC4EB409D522C471E527DCF62CE63@wyt-s-018.europe.shell.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C879.58B1FDE6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It think I'm gonna have to slow down - after 5 gigs in a row last week = I'm battered, bruised & feel about 90!! Off to Athens in 2 days time for = an 11 day rest... At least January's always quiet too. =20 Jane -----Original Message----- From: Alex Smith [mailto:vassifer@earthlink.net] Sent: 19 December 2003 16:53 To: gathering@misera.net; gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 "11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? In the last = 3 months - NMA, Goldblade, Metal Urbain, The Damned, Machinehead, = Therapy?, Alabama 3, Turbonegro, Jane's Addiction, BRMC, GU Medicine, = Dandy Warhols, Marilyn Manson, Echo & the Bunnymen, Killing Joke and = Giga-0. They all delivered the goods, except Marilyn Manson who was just = plain mediocre..." Cripes! Jane gets out more than any of us! Alex in NYC ---------- From: "Shadforth, Jane E SUKOP-UOIT/42" To: Subject: RE: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Date: Fri, Dec 19, 2003, 9:41 AM Not read any other responses yet - so apologies for any duplications. =20 1) Your Name: Jane Shadforth=20 2) Your Age: 35=20 3) Are you married and have you any children? No & No=20 4) I live here: Ashton-under-Lyne (Manchester) UK=20 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: erm - 2001 - I think??=20 6) What do you want for X-mas? I don't do Xmas - 6 of us are going to = Athens to escape it as best we can. 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? Timex combined heart rate & = Speed & Distance monitor.=20 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? World Peace of course - not overly = optimistic though... and further KJ dates.=20 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: Future = Ex-Wife - Miss September, and it's bloody marvellous. This is Pete Spiby = (ex Groop Dogdrill)'s new band, and this has a lot of the magic I loved = about Groop Dogdrill. 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five = favorite releases of the year? Future Ex-Wife - Miss September; Desert = Sessions 9 & 10; GU Medicine - demo; Giga-0 - There's No Excuse (Well - = I've gotta say that haven't I?); Therapy? - Scopophobia=20 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? In the last = 3 months - NMA, Goldblade, Metal Urbain, The Damned, Machinehead, = Therapy?, Alabama 3, Turbonegro, Jane's Addiction, BRMC, GU Medicine, = Dandy Warhols, Marilyn Manson, Echo & the Bunnymen, Killing Joke and = Giga-0. They all delivered the goods, except Marilyn Manson who was just = plain mediocre... 12) Worst music you heard all year: any Xmassy crap - I hate this time = of year.=20 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of = themself, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need = not be restricted to music) 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: = Groop Dogdrill, Creatures=20 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: None - = they are all entitled to get out there, play and enjoy making a living = from music. If I don't like them, I don't have to go and see them. They = should only call it a day when they stop enjoying it. 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: = Hmmm: NMA - Vengeance might be interesting. 17) Most overrated music of the year: The Darkness would be too easy a = target, at least they are getting up there and succeeding as a British = rock band doing their own music. I'm afraid the willingness of the = British public to lap up the pop idol / boy/girl band mindless, bland, = pointless pop cover versions will always piss me off a lot more. 18) Most underrated music of the year: Hundreds of touring/gigging = bands who will never get a look in as long as the great British public = continue to buy what they're told to instead of checking out what's = happening at their local venue. (I don't know if this applies to other = countries too??). 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: It's = a struggle to narrow it down to 5, the ones that spring to mind today = are: NMA; Groop Dogdrill; Therapy?; Goldblade; the Damned. These are not = necessarily the bands I would listen to much at home, but the ones I = enjoy seeing most live. 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet: I = confess I don't spend much time looking, but the official site wasn't up = to much, and some of the fan-sites are a lot more informative. The best = place for info, however, is this gathering list. 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like = the following to happen: Another album & tour - is that too obvious?? 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain = your reaction Yes - most of the shows I saw were blinding, although = there were 1 or 2 off-days. I think though, one of the downsides of = following a band, is you get too critical when they're not quite on the = form you expect, and of course being tour-shattered yourself on some = days lessens the enjoyment. 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the = red Krusty Clown? Some of Mike Coles artwork. 25) Favorite track on the new album: The Death & Resurrection Show - = a masterpiece live. 26) Least favorite track on the new album: You'll never get to me - = too much of an anthem 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have = been: Seeing Red 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your = thoughts? No 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next = Killing Joke record? Can't say I've given it much thought. 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Unspeakable 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE = FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Clock # 20 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? = =20 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White = House: Iggy Pop 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? = No 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: UN = trial 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Is this a trick question? We haven't = got him... 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the = homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Unlikely, but neither do I think we've seen the = last of terrorism from NI. 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? No - but I'm = unlikely to change my behaviour in fear of it. In the west we're still = more likely to get run over, or killed in a car accident than be the = victim of terrorism. 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September = 11, 2001? No 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? Working - until = it happened, then surfing the web for news. 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would = be: start paying attention to the scientists' warnings about global = warming/coming ice-age etc which has to be more of a threat to the world = than terrorism?? and try to to something to turn things around. =20 42) Tony Blair is a: soon to be ex-prime minister 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American = Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: why?? 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why = you feel this way. Support your argument: Either that, or good at acting = as one... I don't however trust the motives of him and/or his advisors, = who I suspect are more interested in the financial outcome of this war, = than the well-being of the people in the middle east. 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation = better off: Bush's or Clinton's? I'm sure it's not black and white, but = I don't think Clinton would have been so keen to march in stirring up a = hornet's nest. ::::END:::: ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C879.58B1FDE6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
It=20 think I'm gonna have to slow down - after 5 gigs in a row last=20 week I'm battered, bruised & feel about 90!! Off to Athens = in 2=20 days time for an 11 day rest... At least January's always quiet=20 too.
 
Jane
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Smith=20 [mailto:vassifer@earthlink.net]
Sent: 19 December 2003=20 16:53
To: gathering@misera.net;=20 gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR=20 `03


"11) What live bands have you seen = recently. Did=20 they rate?  In the last 3 = months - NMA,=20 Goldblade, Metal Urbain, The Damned, Machinehead, Therapy?, Alabama 3, = Turbonegro, Jane's Addiction, BRMC, GU Medicine, Dandy Warhols, = Marilyn=20 Manson, Echo & the Bunnymen, Killing Joke and Giga-0. They all = delivered=20 the goods, except Marilyn Manson who was just plain=20 mediocre..."


Cripes! Jane gets out more than = any of=20 us!

Alex in NYC



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From: "Shadforth, = Jane E=20 SUKOP-UOIT/42" <jane.shadforth@shell.com>
To:=20 <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: RE: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR=20 `03
Date: Fri, Dec 19, 2003, 9:41 AM


Not read any other = responses=20 yet - so apologies for any = duplications.
 
 1)=20 Your Name:  Jane Shadforth =

2) Your Age:  35=20

3) Are you married and have you any children? =   No & No =

4)=20 I live here: =  Ashton-under-Lyne=20 (Manchester) UK

5) I've been a member of the = Gathering=20 since:  erm - 2001 - I = think??=20

6) What do you want for X-mas?  I don't do Xmas - 6 of us are = going to=20 Athens to escape it as best we can.

7) Your = biggest=20 extravagance of the year? =  Timex=20 combined heart rate & Speed & Distance monitor.=20

8) Your biggest hopes for 2004?  World Peace of course - not = overly=20 optimistic though... and further KJ dates.

9) = What was=20 the last album you bought,why, and how is it?:  Future Ex-Wife - Miss September, and it's bloody = marvellous.=20 This is Pete Spiby (ex Groop Dogdrill)'s new band, and this has a = lot of the=20 magic I loved about Groop Dogdrill.

10) Not = including=20 the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite = releases of the=20 year?  Future Ex-Wife - = Miss=20 September; Desert Sessions 9 & 10; GU Medicine - demo; Giga-0 - = There's=20 No Excuse (Well - I've gotta say that haven't I?); Therapy? - = Scopophobia=20

11) What live bands have you seen recently. = Did they=20 rate?  In the last 3 = months - NMA,=20 Goldblade, Metal Urbain, The Damned, Machinehead, Therapy?, Alabama = 3,=20 Turbonegro, Jane's Addiction, BRMC, GU Medicine, Dandy Warhols, = Marilyn=20 Manson, Echo & the Bunnymen, Killing Joke and Giga-0. They all = delivered=20 the goods, except Marilyn Manson who was just plain=20 mediocre...

12) Worst music you heard all = year: any Xmassy crap - I hate this time = of year.=20

13) If I find out that the person I'm talking = to is a=20 big fan of themself, I lose all = interest in=20 talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to=20 music)

14) Band(s) most in need of = reforming/touring/releasing new=20 material:  Groop Dogdrill, = Creatures=20

15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and = calling=20 it a day:  None - they are = all=20 entitled to get out there, play and enjoy making a living from = music. If I=20 don't like them, I don't have to go and see them. They should only = call it a=20 day when they stop enjoying it.

16) Albums most = in need=20 of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee:  Hmmm: NMA - Vengeance might be=20 interesting.

17) Most overrated music of the = year:  The Darkness would be too easy = a target,=20 at least they are getting up there and succeeding as a British rock = band=20 doing their own music. I'm afraid the willingness of the British = public to=20 lap up the pop idol / boy/girl band mindless, bland, pointless pop = cover=20 versions will always piss me off a lot = more.

18) Most=20 underrated music of the year:=20  Hundreds of touring/gigging bands who will never get a look in = as long=20 as the great British public continue to buy what they're told to = instead of=20 checking out what's happening at their local venue.  (I don't = know if=20 this applies to other countries too??).

19) = Next to=20 Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are:  It's a struggle to narrow it = down to 5,=20 the ones that spring to mind today are: NMA; Groop Dogdrill; = Therapy?;=20 Goldblade; the Damned. These are not necessarily the bands I would = listen to=20 much at home, but the ones I enjoy seeing most=20 live.

20) Express your views on Killing Joke's = presence=20 on the Internet:  I confess I don't spend = much time=20 looking, but the official site wasn't up to much, and some of the = fan-sites=20 are a lot more informative. The best place for info, however, is = this=20 gathering list.

22) Regarding the Joke, despite all = the=20 rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen:  Another album & tour - is that too=20 obvious??

23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this = tour? If=20 so, briefly explain your reaction    Yes=20 - most of the shows I saw were blinding, although there were 1 or 2=20 off-days. I think though, one of the downsides of following a band, = is you=20 get too critical when they're not quite on the form you expect, and = of=20 course being tour-shattered yourself on some days lessens the=20 enjoyment.

24) What would you have rather seen on the = album=20 cover, other than the red Krusty Clown?    Some of Mike Coles artwork.

25) = Favorite track=20 on the new album:    The Death = &=20 Resurrection Show - a masterpiece live.

26) Least = favorite=20 track on the new album:    You'll never=20 get to me - too much of an anthem

27) Were it up to = you to=20 have chosen the first single, it would have been: =    Seeing Red

28) Have you managed to see = "the Year=20 of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts?    No

29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would = you like=20 to see produce the next Killing Joke record?    Can't say I've given it much = thought.

30)=20 Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today:=20    Unspeakable

31) Have you=20 bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE = YOU=20 WAITING FOR? Clock # 20

32) = Goods you'd=20 like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site?=20       

33) Following the 2004=20 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House:=20    Iggy Pop

34) = Do you feel=20 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? =   No

35) Now that he's in custody, I = would handle=20 Saddam this way:    UN=20 trial

36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: =    Is this a trick question? We haven't got=20 him...

37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy = of=20 Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Unlikely, but=20 neither do I think we've seen the last of terrorism from=20 NI.

38) Do you feel prepared for another such = instance?=20    No - but I'm unlikely to = change my=20 behaviour in fear of it. In the west we're still more likely to get = run=20 over, or killed in a car accident than be the victim of=20 terrorism.

39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do = with the=20 events of September 11, 2001?    No

40) Where were = you/what=20 were you doing on that day?     Working - until it happened, then surfing the web = for=20 news.

41) Were you the next American president, your = first act=20 in office would be:  start paying = attention to the=20 scientists' warnings about global warming/coming ice-age etc which = has to be=20 more of a threat to the world than terrorism?? and try to to = something to=20 turn things around.  

42) Tony Blair is a: soon to be ex-prime minister

43) They = want=20 replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with = the face=20 of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: why??

44) George W. Bush is an idiot: = True or=20 False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your = argument:=20 Either that, or good at acting as one... I = don't however=20 trust the motives of him and/or his advisors, who I suspect are more = interested in the financial outcome of this war, than the well-being = of the=20 people in the middle east.

45) Under which American=20 administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's = or=20 Clinton's? I'm sure it's not black and white, = but I=20 don't think Clinton would have been so keen to march in stirring up = a=20 hornet's=20 nest.

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<= /HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C879.58B1FDE6-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 12:18:13 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Shadforth, Jane E SUKOP-UOIT/42) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:18:13 -0000 Subject: [kj] OT: Amy's request... Message-ID: <4E1B682DEDC4EB409D522C471E527DCF62CE64@wyt-s-018.europe.shell.com> Hi Amy - I'm not sure about detailed, 'cos a) I'm struggling for time = and b) I'm not knowedgeable enough about either band, (or have a good = enough memory), to provide an accurate setlist on any of the shows. Echo & the Bunnymen I saw 3 times this year, at Glastonbury, V2003 and = Liverpool Empire. The 2 festival appearances were both quite short, and = were the sort of "greatest hits" shows designed to entertain a casual = audience. Unfortunately at Glastonbury, they went on stage just after = the only downpour of the weekend, so the audience was very small, as = everybody had disappeared to take shelter/get dry. Nevertheless, they = played well, and there was good vibe from the small crowd. Likewise at = V2003 they did a good show, and I would say they probably won over a few = new fans/reminded people they are still aroudn at both festivals. Liverpool Empire, however, was a different kettle of fish, playing to a = hometown audience of confirmed fans, and they pulled out a real mixture = of old & new / hits & obscure album tracks. They couldn't lose in that = environment, and it was a tremendous gig. Probably not the best time = I've seen them, but pretty impressive nonetheless. The Damned I saw a couple of times in May (Manchester & Liverpool), then = also at Glastonbury, then 3 times this month, (Bristol, Northampton, = London). This seems to have been a really good year for them, as not = only are they now selling out venues this month, but they now seem to be = attracting youngsters into the fold, which has to be a good thing when = so many bands of their era are seeing diminishing attendances of a few = old punks. For a band who have had there up's & downs over the years, = (and I have seen them perform dismally on more than a few occasions), = they seem to really have it sorted at the moment & all the gigs I've = seen this year have been consistently blinding... They play a good mix = of old favourites from throughout their career, combined with a few = songs from the current album, and the atmosphere is always brilliant = fun, and can be very lively. The only downside of the last 2 dates was = Captain Sensible airing his Punk Aid single, which whilst being for a = very good cause, is not a good song...=20 Antoni - anything to add from Saturday?? Jane -----Original Message----- From: Amy Moseley Rupp [mailto:amyr@jump.net] Sent: 19 December 2003 20:44 To: gathering@misera.net Subject: [kj] Jane's year end poll & a wee addition of my own Jane:- > 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? In the = last 3 months - NMA, Goldblade, Metal Urbain, The Damned, Machinehead, = Therapy?, Alabama 3, Turbonegro, Jane's Addiction, BRMC, GU Medicine, = Dandy Warhols, Marilyn Manson, Echo & the Bunnymen, Killing Joke and = Giga-0. They all delivered the goods, except Marilyn Manson who was just = plain mediocre... How did you think The Damned & EATB did in detail, if you wouldn't mind? Two of my faves. > 17) Most overrated music of the year: The Darkness would be too easy = a target, at least they are getting up there and succeeding as a British = rock band doing their own music. I'm afraid the willingness of the = British public to lap up the pop idol / boy/girl band mindless, bland, = pointless pop cover versions will always piss me off a lot more. Absolutely agreed, and I took a lot of stick for sticking up for The Darkness. At least they are breaking the mo(u)ld. > 18) Most underrated music of the year: Hundreds of touring/gigging = bands who will never get a look in as long as the great British public = continue to buy what they're told to instead of checking out what's = happening at their local venue. (I don't know if this applies to other = countries too??). Absolutely. > 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American = Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: why?? When the question "Brother Can You Spare A Dime" was asked, FDR said yes. Reagan said no. If this went through, I would ask Santa to rectally implant a roll of the new coinage up every Republican = Congressman's arse. Bill me. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 13:49:11 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (phat seanio) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 13:49:11 +0000 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 Message-ID:

1) Your Name:       Sean Roache

2) Your Age:           35
   
3) Are you married and have you any children?                                                                                                                                                                                    long term r/ship- son,Thom, 21months old-my saviour!
  
4) I live here:          Manchester,U.K.

5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: 
                             July 2003
6) What do you want for X-mas?                                                                                                                                                                    just to come out the other side of it at present!!

7) Your biggest extravagance of the year?

 computer,& a MP3 playing,picture taking,video shooting mobile phone(not as good as              

                               it sounds....)                              

8) Your biggest hopes for 2004?  

                                health, happiness,

9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it

                                 ?:celtic voices-because it was 99p in kwik save-bargain sample material.

10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year?  

                                  groove armada-lovebox     goldfrapp-black cherry  100th window massive attack
                                                                             
11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate

                                   ?  GOLDFRAPP-beautiful!           RADIOHEAD-great,but tiny( the band were-M.E.N.arena manchester)    SAW DOCTORS&TOSS THE FEATHERS(TOP CRAIC!)

12) Worst music you heard all year

                                     : THE DARKNESS  (rip off merchants)BUSTED(rip off merchants) ATOMIC KITTEN(bag 'o' shite) SLOP IDOL.......

13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of _THEM SELVES_, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music)

14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material:
        THE SPECIALS, TALKING HEADS
15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day:  see 17

16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee

                                       :KJ back catalogue, THE ASSOCIATES back catalogue-I'd still love to hear CABARET VOLTAIRE early stuff chrystal  

                                                                    17) Most overrated music of the year:  slop idol pap-& covered songs by shit acts.....blue westlife,girls aloud, atomic kitten.......

 18) Most underrated music of the year:
                               killing joke obviously-  the chameleons
19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are                                                                                       :                               chameleons-----orbital-------the associates----------radiohead-----------

20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet......I make the most of what I get............
 
22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen                                                                                 
                                  :new tour,new lp on vinyl,back catalogue re-issued-could change the face of music half way thru '04!!!!
23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction-                                                               
                                    3 times-greatstuff-not many bands can sound as big as KJ,,but I think extremities tracks would've just slayed all in their path
24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown?
      a big barrel of oil,and a blend of bush,bliar,saddam & bin laden melded together would have summed up the times well......
25) Favorite track on the new album: SEEING RED

26) Least favorite track on the new album: YOU'LL NEVER GET TO ME(just did'nt do 'owt for me....)

27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: SEEING RED/ASTEROID

28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts?NO

29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record?
      GEORDIE & RAVEN (NO OFFENCE JAZ....)
30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today:COMPLICATIONS
      
31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? once the xmas spendisms is over,things will change-and the sad fact I must admit defeat & get a credit card to get those must have things.....

32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site?  the singles and lp covers as collectable pics-mine are all tatty!!

33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House:

34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended?  ER.....NO....

35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way:   public trial in iraq-even though we all know he'll be in hawaii or somewhere,and it'll be sid hussein standing trial............

36) Where is Osama Bin Laden:right behind.................!

37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)?
      no-Its not a nice feeling knowing its just a matter  of time.......
38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? call  me para,but I have got emergency rations in  a box under the stairs..........having kids makes  funny things quite real sometimes

39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11?  The worlds a big place-And the western world's greedy enough to have a lot of hatred against it........

40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day?At the time I must admit I had quite a heavy weed smoking habit,and was in a pub in moss side,manchester,merrily chonging away-telly got interrupted with first hit,and then it was CNN on sky onwards-I must admit I sat gobsmacked for 4 hours in the pub,truly fearing the  end of  a lot of things was coming-drank a lot!!!!!!...dont smoke anything now,2 years new years day....

41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be:   dissolution!!

42) Tony Blair is a: man who sold his values out as soon as he was elected-a politician.

43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction:  ???????????????????

44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your argument:Don't wanna go there............

45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's?         weed is better than alchohol-but tobacco stinks!

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Personalise your e-mails with photos, expressive graphics and stationery - sign up for MSN 8 today! From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 15:49:55 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:49:55 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: Alex Out of NYC Message-ID: <200312221549.hBMFniOf008955@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Hey gang.... Going to Texas for a week. Leaving in fifteen minutes. Just wanted to say a few things: 1. Sorry for all the needless feather-ruffling. I'm under a TREMENDOUS amount of stress these days, and to compound matters, I bought a new computer (iMac OS X, 17" monitor, etc.) on Saturday that on Sunday night refused to work (patent refusal to boot-up). I called Mac support, who valiantly tried to talk me through it, but they gave up and suggested I go back to where I bought it. Suffice to say, this was not good news. Being that I just dropped a significant amount of cash on it, I'm now going to probably pay anthoer couple of hundred just to get the fucker fixed (I'm typing at you on my OLD, OUT-of-DATE yet STILL RELIABLE computer. Bless it). So, anyway, it has me ROYALLY pissed off, as you can imagine. Must be karmic retribution for all they hypocrisy that falls out of my flapping mouth, eh? 2. Don't un-sub me, but don't expect to hear anything from me before the 29th. I can only imagine your disapointment. 3. Merry Christmas, Merry Kwanzaa, Merry Solstice, Happy Chanukkah, Happy New Year, etc. Hope I didn't leave out any faiths there. 4. Killing Joke Uber Alles. Alex in NYC... From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 15:56:34 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Martin Paul) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:56:34 -0000 Subject: [kj] At last Killing Joke - get into a best/ top of 2003 poll - Playlouder Message-ID: <000a01c3c8a4$2cfee580$3d3c8451@tinypc> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3C8A4.2CBBC200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At last Killing Joke - get into a best/ top of 2003 poll - Playlouder In at 16 Playlouder - Top 50 Albums of 2003 http://www.playlouder.com/top50/2003/ 1 The Darkness=20 2 The Hidden Cameras=20 3 Four Tet=20 4 Outkast=20 5 The White Stripes=20 6-10=20 6 The Mars Volta=20 7 Jane's Addiction=20 8 Nick Cave=20 9 Dizzee Rascal=20 10 British Sea Power=20 11-15=20 11 Rancid=20 12 Gold Chains=20 13 Non-Prophets=20 14 Yeah Yeah Yeahs=20 15 Missy Elliott=20 16-20=20 16 Killing Joke=20 17 The Fall=20 18 Blur=20 19 Buck 65=20 20 The Faint=20 21-25=20 21 RZA=20 22 Peaches=20 23 The Rapture=20 24 Postal Service=20 25 Basement Jaxx=20 26-30=20 26 Muse=20 27 Goldfrapp=20 28 Hot Hot Heat=20 29 Iggy Pop=20 30 Simple Kid=20 31-35=20 31 Stellastarr*=20 32 Har Mar Superstar=20 33 Elbow=20 34 Carina Round=20 35 Girls Aloud=20 36-40=20 36 Iron Maiden=20 37 Gonzales=20 38 Junior Senior=20 39 LFO=20 40 Belle and Sebastian=20 41-45=20 41 Marilyn Manson=20 42 Mogwai=20 43 Patrick Wolf=20 44 Arab Strap=20 45 Joe Strummer=20 46-50=20 46 Pink Grease=20 47 Adam Green=20 48 Gillian Welch=20 49 Beans=20 50 Future Ex-Wife=20 Regards Martin/ DJ Martian DJ Martian's Page - Daily Music News Weblog http://djmartian.blogspot.com ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3C8A4.2CBBC200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
At last Killing Joke - = get into a=20 best/ top of 2003 poll - Playlouder

In at 16

Playlouder - Top 50 Albums of = 2003
http://www.playlouder.com/= top50/2003/
 

1 The Darkness
2 The Hidden Cameras
3 = Four Tet=20
4 Outkast
5 The White Stripes
6-10
6 The Mars Volta =
7 Jane's=20 Addiction
8 Nick Cave
9 Dizzee Rascal
10 British Sea Power =
11-15=20
11 Rancid
12 Gold Chains
13 Non-Prophets
14 Yeah Yeah = Yeahs=20
15 Missy Elliott
16-20
16 Killing Joke =
17 The=20 Fall
18 Blur
19 Buck 65
20 The Faint
21-25
21 RZA =
22=20 Peaches
23 The Rapture
24 Postal Service
25 Basement Jaxx =
26-30=20
26 Muse
27 Goldfrapp
28 Hot Hot Heat
29 Iggy Pop
30 = Simple=20 Kid
31-35
31 Stellastarr*
32 Har Mar Superstar
33 Elbow =
34=20 Carina Round
35 Girls Aloud
36-40
36 Iron Maiden
37 = Gonzales=20
38 Junior Senior
39 LFO
40 Belle and Sebastian
41-45 =
41=20 Marilyn Manson
42 Mogwai
43 Patrick Wolf
44 Arab Strap =
45 Joe=20 Strummer
46-50
46 Pink Grease
47 Adam Green
48 Gillian = Welch=20
49 Beans
50 Future Ex-Wife
 
 
Regards
 
Martin/ DJ Martian
 
DJ Martian's Page - Daily Music News=20 Weblog
http://djmartian.blogspot.com<= /FONT>
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3C8A4.2CBBC200-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 16:08:02 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Shadforth, Jane E SUKOP-UOIT/42) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:08:02 -0000 Subject: [kj] At last Killing Joke - get into a best/ top of 2003 poll - Playlouder Message-ID: <4E1B682DEDC4EB409D522C471E527DCF62CE67@wyt-s-018.europe.shell.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C8A5.C6F8004D Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 16 is pretty good!!! Good to see Future ex-wife in there too, albeit at = # 50. -----Original Message----- From: Martin Paul [mailto:Mdpaul@btinternet.com] Sent: 22 December 2003 15:57 To: gathering@misera.net Subject: [kj] At last Killing Joke - get into a best/ top of 2003 poll - = Playlouder At last Killing Joke - get into a best/ top of 2003 poll - Playlouder In at 16 Playlouder - Top 50 Albums of 2003 http://www.playlouder.com/top50/2003/ =20 1 The Darkness=20 2 The Hidden Cameras=20 3 Four Tet=20 4 Outkast=20 5 The White Stripes=20 6-10=20 6 The Mars Volta=20 7 Jane's Addiction=20 8 Nick Cave=20 9 Dizzee Rascal=20 10 British Sea Power=20 11-15=20 11 Rancid=20 12 Gold Chains=20 13 Non-Prophets=20 14 Yeah Yeah Yeahs=20 15 Missy Elliott=20 16-20=20 16 Killing Joke=20 17 The Fall=20 18 Blur=20 19 Buck 65=20 20 The Faint=20 21-25=20 21 RZA=20 22 Peaches=20 23 The Rapture=20 24 Postal Service=20 25 Basement Jaxx=20 26-30=20 26 Muse=20 27 Goldfrapp=20 28 Hot Hot Heat=20 29 Iggy Pop=20 30 Simple Kid=20 31-35=20 31 Stellastarr*=20 32 Har Mar Superstar=20 33 Elbow=20 34 Carina Round=20 35 Girls Aloud=20 36-40=20 36 Iron Maiden=20 37 Gonzales=20 38 Junior Senior=20 39 LFO=20 40 Belle and Sebastian=20 41-45=20 41 Marilyn Manson=20 42 Mogwai=20 43 Patrick Wolf=20 44 Arab Strap=20 45 Joe Strummer=20 46-50=20 46 Pink Grease=20 47 Adam Green=20 48 Gillian Welch=20 49 Beans=20 50 Future Ex-Wife=20 =20 =20 Regards =20 Martin/ DJ Martian =20 DJ Martian's Page - Daily Music News Weblog http://djmartian.blogspot.com =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C8A5.C6F8004D Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
16 is=20 pretty good!!! Good to see Future ex-wife in there too, albeit at #=20 50.
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Paul=20 [mailto:Mdpaul@btinternet.com]
Sent: 22 December 2003=20 15:57
To: gathering@misera.net
Subject: [kj] At = last=20 Killing Joke - get into a best/ top of 2003 poll -=20 Playlouder

At last Killing Joke - = get into a=20 best/ top of 2003 poll - Playlouder

In at 16

Playlouder - Top 50 Albums of = 2003
http://www.playlouder.com/= top50/2003/
 

1 The Darkness
2 The Hidden Cameras
3 = Four Tet=20
4 Outkast
5 The White Stripes
6-10
6 The Mars Volta =
7=20 Jane's Addiction
8 Nick Cave
9 Dizzee Rascal
10 British = Sea Power=20
11-15
11 Rancid
12 Gold Chains
13 Non-Prophets
14 = Yeah=20 Yeah Yeahs
15 Missy Elliott
16-20
16 Killing Joke=20
17 The Fall
18 Blur
19 Buck 65
20 The Faint =
21-25=20
21 RZA
22 Peaches
23 The Rapture
24 Postal Service =
25=20 Basement Jaxx
26-30
26 Muse
27 Goldfrapp
28 Hot Hot = Heat=20
29 Iggy Pop
30 Simple Kid
31-35
31 Stellastarr*
32 = Har Mar=20 Superstar
33 Elbow
34 Carina Round
35 Girls Aloud =
36-40
36=20 Iron Maiden
37 Gonzales
38 Junior Senior
39 LFO
40 = Belle and=20 Sebastian
41-45
41 Marilyn Manson
42 Mogwai
43 Patrick = Wolf=20
44 Arab Strap
45 Joe Strummer
46-50
46 Pink Grease =
47 Adam=20 Green
48 Gillian Welch
49 Beans
50 Future Ex-Wife=20
 
 
Regards
 
Martin/ DJ Martian
 
DJ Martian's Page - Daily Music News=20 Weblog
http://djmartian.blogspot.com<= /FONT>
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C8A5.C6F8004D-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 16:27:27 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jim=20Harper?=) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:27:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] Kerrang!'s Best of 2003 Message-ID: <20031222162727.44307.qmail@web25006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --0-1275430900-1072110447=:43284 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kerrang! put the new album at no.14: 1. The Darknes- 'Permission to Land' 2. The Mars Volta- 'De-Loused in the Comatorium' 3. Cave In- 'Antenna' 4. Muse- 'Absolution' 5. Rancid- 'Indestructible' 6. The White Stripes- 'Elephant' 7. The Distillers- 'Coral Fang' 8. Alkaline Trio- 'Good Morning' 9. Akercocke- 'Choronzon' 10. Hot Hot Heat- 'Make Up The Breakdown' 11. Anthrax- ' We've Come For You All' 12. Hell Is For Heroes- ' The Neon Handshake' 13. Yeah Yeah Yeahs- 'Fever To Tell' 14. Killing Joke- 'Killing Joke' 15. My Morning Jacket- 'It Still Moves' 16. Poison The Well- 'You Come Before You' 17. Deftones- 'Deftones' 18. Desert Sessions- '9 & 10' 19. AFI- 'Sing the Sorrow' 20. The Mark Lanegan Band- 'Here Comes That Weird Chill' --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now --0-1275430900-1072110447=:43284 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Kerrang! put the new album at no.14:
 
1. The Darknes- 'Permission to Land'
2. The Mars Volta- 'De-Loused in the Comatorium'
3. Cave In- 'Antenna'
4. Muse- 'Absolution'
5. Rancid- 'Indestructible'
6. The White Stripes- 'Elephant'
7. The Distillers- 'Coral Fang'
8. Alkaline Trio- 'Good Morning'
9. Akercocke- 'Choronzon'
10. Hot Hot Heat- 'Make Up The Breakdown'
11. Anthrax- ' We've Come For You All'
12. Hell Is For Heroes- ' The Neon Handshake'
13. Yeah Yeah Yeahs- 'Fever To Tell'
14. Killing Joke- 'Killing Joke'
15. My Morning Jacket- 'It Still Moves'
16. Poison The Well- 'You Come Before You'
17. Deftones- 'Deftones'
18. Desert Sessions- '9 & 10'
19. AFI- 'Sing the Sorrow'
20. The Mark Lanegan Band- 'Here Comes That Weird Chill'

Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now --0-1275430900-1072110447=:43284-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 17:21:18 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 17:21:18 -0000 Subject: [kj] [ot] tonights UK TV beat the nation Message-ID: <7D368CED82B7A44FAB699FBB41CC9212073860AF@i2km02-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C8B0.02EAD332 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have a go at the BBC beat the nation =20 http://www.bbc.co.uk/testthenation/ =20 =20 On the IQ test, one of the practice questions is reading a backwards clock =20 I got it right, thanks to my superb malicious damage clock (001) =20 =20 P.S. UK C4 12:15am The Filth and The Fury Premiere - Documentarty charting the story of the Sex Pistols. =20 Happy Holidays ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C8B0.02EAD332 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Have a = go at the BBC=20 beat the nation
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/testthe= nation/
 
 
On the = IQ test, one=20 of the practice questions is reading a backwards = clock
 
I got = it right,=20 thanks to my superb malicious damage clock (001)
 
 
P.S.  UK C4=20 12:15am The Filth and The Fury Premiere - Documentarty charting the = story of the=20 Sex Pistols.
 
Happy=20 Holidays
=00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C8B0.02EAD332-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 17:43:58 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Leigh Newton) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:43:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] At last Killing Joke - get into a best/ top of 2003 poll - Playlouder In-Reply-To: <000a01c3c8a4$2cfee580$3d3c8451@tinypc> Message-ID: <20031222174358.39454.qmail@web10406.mail.yahoo.com> That reminds me. I read on a Melvins BBS that someone ran into Buzz (lead singer/guitar player for the Melvins) at one of their Australian shows and he mentioned that the best new CD he'd heard in a really long time was the new Killing Joke. Cool! And that dude hates EEEEEVERYTHING!!!! Leigh --- Martin Paul wrote: > At last Killing Joke - get into a best/ top of 2003 > poll - Playlouder > In at 16 > > Playlouder - Top 50 Albums of 2003 > http://www.playlouder.com/top50/2003/ > > > 1 The Darkness > 2 The Hidden Cameras > 3 Four Tet > 4 Outkast > 5 The White Stripes > 6-10 > 6 The Mars Volta > 7 Jane's Addiction > 8 Nick Cave > 9 Dizzee Rascal > 10 British Sea Power > 11-15 > 11 Rancid > 12 Gold Chains > 13 Non-Prophets > 14 Yeah Yeah Yeahs > 15 Missy Elliott > 16-20 > 16 Killing Joke > 17 The Fall > 18 Blur > 19 Buck 65 > 20 The Faint > 21-25 > 21 RZA > 22 Peaches > 23 The Rapture > 24 Postal Service > 25 Basement Jaxx > 26-30 > 26 Muse > 27 Goldfrapp > 28 Hot Hot Heat > 29 Iggy Pop > 30 Simple Kid > 31-35 > 31 Stellastarr* > 32 Har Mar Superstar > 33 Elbow > 34 Carina Round > 35 Girls Aloud > 36-40 > 36 Iron Maiden > 37 Gonzales > 38 Junior Senior > 39 LFO > 40 Belle and Sebastian > 41-45 > 41 Marilyn Manson > 42 Mogwai > 43 Patrick Wolf > 44 Arab Strap > 45 Joe Strummer > 46-50 > 46 Pink Grease > 47 Adam Green > 48 Gillian Welch > 49 Beans > 50 Future Ex-Wife > > > > Regards > > Martin/ DJ Martian > > DJ Martian's Page - Daily Music News Weblog > http://djmartian.blogspot.com > > ===== http://www.daiquiri.tvheaven.com http://www.tweek.tvheaven.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 17:55:41 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (JOKERS PUB CAFE) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:55:41 -0200 Subject: [kj] (ot) Unsub. Help References: Message-ID: <019801c3c8b5$4b473720$4bceddc8@o7l3j2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_018B_01C3C8A4.0CF9E000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What's the mail address to Unsub??? going to travel for a few days after Christmas, so don't want to find my = mail box full when I get back all the best Diaz ------=_NextPart_000_018B_01C3C8A4.0CF9E000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What's the mail address to=20 Unsub???
 
going to travel for a few days after = Christmas, so=20 don't want to find my mail box full when I get back
 
all the best
 
Diaz
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_018B_01C3C8A4.0CF9E000-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 18:36:36 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:36:36 +0000 Subject: [kj] seasonal greetings Message-ID: I'd just like to say, whatever your celebrating in the next few weeks, have a good one. And thanks to anyone and everyone who squandered their hard-earned cash with md.co.uk. Here's to some serious malicious damage next year. And some serious killing joke - old and new. yours ever santa coles PS despite rumours there are still fifty-odd clocks left (pun intended!) -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 18:39:09 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 13:39:09 EST Subject: [kj] OT OT Message-ID: <1e2.16180b2c.2d18944d@aol.com> --part1_1e2.16180b2c.2d18944d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en hey Cliff, that was great ot about ot, certainly no worse than any other, an= d=20 it ended with a classic blast of wankers. Now, that's passion. On that note, back to the matter in hand. See you in chat later graham=20 --part1_1e2.16180b2c.2d18944d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en hey Cliff, that was great ot about ot, certainly no w= orse than any other, and it ended with a classic blast of wankers. Now, that= 's passion.
On that note, back to the matter in hand.
See you in chat later

graham --part1_1e2.16180b2c.2d18944d_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 18:57:01 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (fat potanga) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:57:01 +0000 Subject: [kj] OT: the very best... Message-ID: ...to each and every one of you, whether you celebrate it or not. Seasoned gratings and all that Have good break and a great time. i raise a glass to you all. fat Jamie _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 19:04:16 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Antoni Adamiak) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 19:04:16 -0000 Subject: [kj] OT: Amy's request...The Damned References: <4E1B682DEDC4EB409D522C471E527DCF62CE64@wyt-s-018.europe.shell.com> Message-ID: <006201c3c8be$669b48a0$2d887ed4@mydomain.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shadforth, Jane E SUKOP-UOIT/42" To: Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:18 PM Subject: [kj] OT: Amy's request... The Damned I saw a couple of times in May (Manchester & Liverpool), then also at Glastonbury, then 3 times this month, (Bristol, Northampton, London). This seems to have been a really good year for them, as not only are they now selling out venues this month, but they now seem to be attracting youngsters into the fold, which has to be a good thing when so many bands of their era are seeing diminishing attendances of a few old punks. For a band who have had there up's & downs over the years, (and I have seen them perform dismally on more than a few occasions), they seem to really have it sorted at the moment & all the gigs I've seen this year have been consistently blinding... They play a good mix of old favourites from throughout their career, combined with a few songs from the current album, and the atmosphere is always brilliant fun, and can be very lively. The only downside of the last 2 dates was Captain Sensible airing his Punk Aid single, which whilst being for a very good cause, is not a good song... Antoni - anything to add from Saturday?? Yeah, it was really funny watching the keyboard player (Monty OxyMoron) leaping about during the real old numbers as they had no keyboard parts in them - the poor bloke looked like Nigel from Eastenders. At the end seeing the inflatable Santa left discarded in the security pit was a bit sad, resplendant with his "I Love The Clash" graffiti. Absolutely cracking gig. Regards, Antoni * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 19:25:18 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (JOKERS PUB CAFE) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 17:25:18 -0200 Subject: [kj] seasonal greetings References: Message-ID: <000f01c3c8c1$5792fd00$a1cbddc8@o7l3j2> all the best for you too Mr. Coles, have a good celebration for the end of 2003. hope next year i'll get one of those Clock's left, make a reservation for me please. best regards diaz From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 19:26:14 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 19:26:14 -0000 Subject: [kj] seasonal greetings Message-ID: <7D368CED82B7A44FAB699FBB41CC92120897149A@i2km02-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net> Happy Holidays Everyone P.s I had an interview today, and when I came out of the building, the first thing I saw was a feather. It wasn't blue, it was bright red. What could that signify? ( no, not on drugs, but it could be Lancashire pollution for you) Lisa xxxxxxxx From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 02:19:32 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Ross O'Donoghue) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:19:32 +0200 Subject: [kj] seasonal greetings References: Message-ID: <012f01c3c832$0a570160$87c283d9@ibm559c085> Well now, Off on one leg of my bi-annual pilgrimage to the far-famed Cork and Kerry mountains......so you will be delighted to hear I will have to unsub for a few weeks. Nonetheless....allow me to wish all of you the best over the festive season . Let's hope there will be enough KJ activity in '04 to permit all of us to be forever on-topic ( hope springs eternal)....and may I wish you all swollen mounds and copious new gold ( as the case may be ) in the new year. So...a very merry (gulp !) 'Xmas' to all of you.................. Ross. ----- Original Message ----- From: mike coles To: Sent: 22 Aralýk 2003 Pazartesi 20:36 Subject: [kj] seasonal greetings > I'd just like to say, whatever your celebrating in the next few > weeks, have a good one. > And thanks to anyone and everyone who squandered their hard-earned > cash with md.co.uk. > Here's to some serious malicious damage next year. > And some serious killing joke - old and new. > yours ever > santa coles > > PS despite rumours there are still fifty-odd clocks left (pun intended!) > -- > Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk > ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 21:04:18 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:04:18 EST Subject: [kj] seasoned and oiled Message-ID: <140.1f3407f7.2d18b652@aol.com> --part1_140.1f3407f7.2d18b652_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en Had a thought this evening What with all the impending and recent births going on, how about an MD=20 mobile? Thought a baker's dozen of the Eightys jester mobiling above a cot i= n=20 urghrescent colourscheme would cheer the newborn mites no end. just a thought, a simple idea if you will graham=20 --part1_140.1f3407f7.2d18b652_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en
Had a thought this evening

What with all the impending and recent births going on, how about an MD mobi= le? Thought a baker's dozen of the Eightys jester mobiling above a cot in ur= ghrescent colourscheme would cheer the newborn mites no end.

just a thought, a simple idea if you will

graham --part1_140.1f3407f7.2d18b652_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 22 23:33:15 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:33:15 +0000 Subject: [kj] OT: Alex Out of NYC In-Reply-To: <200312221549.hBMFniOf008955@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> References: <200312221549.hBMFniOf008955@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <1072135995.3fe77f3b56ce7@www.boltblue.com> Quoting Alex Smith : > ...patent refusal to boot-up Sorry Alex, I think Microsoft's Windows OS already has that patent ;) Have a good Xmas :) -------------------------------------------------------------- Sent with "Me-Mail", Boltblue's FREE mobile messaging service. http://www.boltblue.com From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 00:09:57 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (phat seanio) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:09:57 +0000 Subject: [kj] greets at xmas Message-ID:

I say, may all on t'gathering have jollities and fun in all end of year celebrations-hope next year brings fortune on us all!!!

(stick one of those clocks aside for me mr.Coles,if it happens soon for me!)

see you on the '04 side,

phatseanio



 

 

 


 


Get a free connection, half-price modem and one month FREE, when you sign up for BT Broadband today! From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 00:20:03 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:20:03 -0600 Subject: [kj] Happy Yule... Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3154962004_8255516 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit To you all.. Remember to slip the one you love the Yule Log later on...better to give than to receive? KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO THE WEBMASTER, JESTER WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3154962004_8255516 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Happy Yule... To you all..

Remember to slip the one you love the Yule Log later on...better to give th= an to receive?



KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?" --B_3154962004_8255516-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 00:24:26 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 19:24:26 EST Subject: [kj] Happy Yule... Message-ID: <1d1.16836946.2d18e53a@aol.com> --part1_1d1.16836946.2d18e53a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 22/12/03 16:22:44 Pacific Standard Time, webmaster@killing-joke.com writes: > Remember to slip the one you love the Yule Log later on...better to give > than to receive? > > > > You love your toilet? --part1_1d1.16836946.2d18e53a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 22/12/03 16:22:4= 4 Pacific Standard Time, webmaster@killing-joke.com writes:

Remember to slip the one you= love the Yule Log later on...better to give than to receive?





   You love your toilet? --part1_1d1.16836946.2d18e53a_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 01:05:16 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (foolscircle9ways) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 17:05:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] Back online! Message-ID: <20031223010516.31386.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> --0-347073372-1072141516=:30656 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wow, away for a week and I miss the Flame-War of the Year competition! Dammit. Anyhoo, seems like you had a good old rant without me. Trust you won't find this too off-topic (and I hope animated gifs get through or this is gonna look decidedly naff...) Happy Holydays, Stuart If we reduce the population of the Earth to a small town of 100 people, keeping the proportions, it will look like this: 57 Asians 21 Europeans 14 Americans (northern and southern) 8 Africans 52 women 48 men 70 color-skins 30 whites 89 heterosexuals 11 homosexuals 6 persons will own 59% of the whole world wealth and all of them will be from USA 80 will live in bad conditions 70 will be unlettered 50 will be underfed 1 will die 2 will get born 1 will have a computer 1 (only one) will have higher education If you look at the world from this point of view, you will see how big need of solidarity, understanding, patient and education we have. Think about this. If this morning you've woke up healthy, you are happier then 1 million people that will not survive till next week. If you've never been through a war, or experienced the loneliness of the jail cell, the agony of torture, or the hunger, then you are happier then 500 millions of people on this world. If you can enter into a church (mosque) without fear of jail or death, you are happier then 3 billions of people on this world. If there is a food in your fridge, if you have shoes and clothes, if you have bed and roof, then you are richer then 75% of the people on this world. If you have a bank account, money in your wallet and some coins in the money-box, you belong to these 8% of the people on the world, which are well-to-do. If you read this text you are two times more blessed because: somebody just remembered about you. you don't belong to these 2 billions of people that cannot read. and... you have a computer! As somebody once said: "- work as if you don't need the money, - love as if nobody ever hurt you, - dance, as if nobody could see you, - sing, as if nobody could hear you, - live, as if the Earth was a heaven." Send this to the people you call friends. If you don't send this, nothing will happen. If you send it - somebody will smile. :) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square --0-347073372-1072141516=:30656 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Wow, away for a week and I miss the Flame-War of the Year competition! Dammit.
 
Anyhoo, seems like you had a good old rant without me. Trust you won't find this too off-topic (and I hope animated gifs get through or this is gonna look decidedly naff...)
 
Happy Holydays,
Stuart
 

If we reduce the population of the Earth to a small town of 100 people, keeping the proportions, it will look like this:

57 Asians

21 Europeans

14 Americans (northern and southern)

8 Africans

52 women

48 men

70 color-skins

30 whites

89 heterosexuals

11 homosexuals

6 persons will own 59% of the whole world wealth and all of them will be from USA

80 will live in bad conditions

70 will be unlettered

50 will be underfed

1 will die

2 will get born

1 will have a computer

1 (only one) will have higher education

If you look at the world from this point of view, you will see how big need of solidarity, understanding, patient and education we have.

Think about this.

If this morning you've woke up healthy, you are happier then 1 million people that will not survive till next week.

If you've never been through a war,

or experienced the loneliness of the jail cell, the agony of torture,

or the hunger,

 
then you are happier then 500 millions of people on this world.

If you can enter into a church (mosque) without fear of jail or death, you are happier then 3 billions of people on this world.  

If there is a food in your fridge,

if you have shoes and clothes,

if you have bed and roof,

then you are richer then 75% of the people on this world.

 

 

If you have a bank account, money in your wallet and some coins in the money-box,

you belong to these 8% of the people on the world, which are well-to-do.

If you read this text you are two times more blessed because:

  1. somebody just remembered about you.

  1. you don't belong to these 2 billions of people that cannot read.

  1. and... you have a computer!

As somebody once said:

"- work as if you don't need the money,

- love as if nobody ever hurt you,

- dance, as if nobody could see you,

- sing, as if nobody could hear you,

- live, as if the Earth was a heaven."

Send this to the people you call friends.

If you don't send this, nothing will happen. If you send it - somebody will smile.

:)

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square --0-347073372-1072141516=:30656-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 01:10:32 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (culture.virus) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 17:10:32 -0800 Subject: [kj] OT: Alex Out of NYC In-Reply-To: <200312221549.hBMFniOf008955@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> References: <200312221549.hBMFniOf008955@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031222165516.02a6d390@127.0.0.1> You forgot RAMADAN! I told you, you were an insensitive bastard! (yes I do know Ramadan is already over) At 07:49 AM 12/22/03, you wrote: >Hey gang.... > > >3. Merry Christmas, Merry Kwanzaa, Merry Solstice, Happy Chanukkah, Happy >New Year, etc. Hope I didn't leave out any faiths there. > >Alex in NYC... I am culturevirus From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 01:51:43 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (culture.virus) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 17:51:43 -0800 Subject: [kj] KJ: The Xian Rock Link Exposed In-Reply-To: <010201c3c849$58223330$6600a8c0@rudolph> References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031221203107.02a6f0a0@127.0.0.1> <010201c3c849$58223330$6600a8c0@rudolph> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031222171121.02a73b50@127.0.0.1> Well the two connections/degrees of separation that spring to mind are thru= =20 Raven and Geordie. Connection 1 is Raven and Geordie. They did the Murder Inc thang which=20 featured mixes by Jim Thirwell. Thirwell appears on the first album by=20 Argyle Park titled Misguided. Come to think of it so did Tommy Victor. Connection 2 is via Raven's work in Prong. "Klayton" did production work on= =20 Prong's Rude Awakening and some other Prong efforts. "Klayton" has recorded= =20 under the name's Brainchild, Circle of Dust and currently Celldweller=20 (www.celldweller.com). He also was involved in the Argyle Park project=20 above and was the musical portion of the "Angeldust" illusions show with=20 Chris Angel. He's also done a bunch of work for MTV. The Argyle Park album also links them to other Xian bands whose members=20 made guest appearances as well. There's probably other connections/degrees of separation between KJ and the= =20 Xian scene but none that I'm aware of that are so close. At 09:06 PM 12/21/03, you wrote: >I'd like to hear more about it, privately, of course... > >I figure the band has some rather Apocalyptic leanings, anyway. > >Regards, > >Rudolph A. Carrera >Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings I am culturevirus=20 From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 02:39:52 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (foolscircle9ways) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:39:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] RE: YEAR END POLE FOR `03 Message-ID: <20031223023952.70588.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1968574033-1072147192=:67916 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 1) Your Name: Stuart 2) Your Age: 41 3) Are you married and have you any children? Divorced, Jasper (7) lives with his mum in UK 4) I live here: Warsaw 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: Springtime... 6) What do you want for X-mas? MD Clock No. 093 (pretty please!) 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? 2 weeks in NYC 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? Her Brittanic Majesty's Infernal Revenue forget I exist. 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: Killing Joke, bycause they released a new one, it's not bad ;) 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? Duh! Got me on that one. 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Just pub bands, don't know their names, all good though. 12) Worst music you heard all year: You should hear Polish Christmas Muzak. Indescribably bad. 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music) Anything. Can't stand mono-maniacs. And I'm very single-minded in that. 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: CRASS 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: Rolling Stones. 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: The Bums Rush. 17) Most overrated music of the year: Coldplay 18) Most underrated music of the year: For once KJ got good press, only feckers who underrated them were the "Management"! Laugh?... 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: Youth's Dragonfly stuff. Jaz's Orchestral stuff. Jaz's other stuff. Youth's LSD stuff. Just can't get into Murder Inc. 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet Won't name names in case I miss someone. You're all brilliant (sic). Official Site should be target practice for suicide bombers of all persuasions. 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: a) they all move to Prague b) I move to Prague c) meet Pavel for a few beers at each weekly gig 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction No. Skidoo! 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? Colesy. With a group-hug photo of the gathering on the reverse. Picture disk of Rob's Arse? 25) Favorite track on the new album: Blood on your hands. 26) Least favorite track on the new album: Loose cannon (probably cos of that fecking stupid video) 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: VERY LOUD 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? So close... 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? Must be Geordie's turn. 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Butcher 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? T-shirts, badges. Quality kit! 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? Mouse mats. Malicious Mats? Malicious Mice? 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: Michael Coles (now can I have that clock 093???) 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? No, I now have no idea who that is breathing here in the dark... 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: Ask him how, exactly, the Pentagon knew he had WMD's. 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: ? 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? As likely as we've seen the last of terrorism courtesy of USUKEUR military-industrial complex on awayfront. 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? ? 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? No. 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? Sleeping after night-shift. 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: to be assassinated before I could f If you're not living on the edge you're taking up too much room. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square --0-1968574033-1072147192=:67916 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

1) Your Name:
Stuart

2) Your Age:
41

3) Are you married and have you any children?
Divorced, Jasper (7) lives with his mum in UK

4) I live here:
Warsaw

5) I've been a member of the Gathering since:
Springtime...

6) What do you want for X-mas?
MD Clock No. 093 (pretty please!)

7) Your biggest extravagance of the year?
2 weeks in NYC

8) Your biggest hopes for 2004?
Her Brittanic Majesty's Infernal Revenue forget I exist.

9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?:
Killing Joke, bycause they released a new one, it's not bad ;)

10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year?
Duh! Got me on that one.

11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate?
Just pub bands, don't know their names, all good though.

12) Worst music you heard all year:
You should hear Polish Christmas Muzak. Indescribably bad.

13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music)
Anything. Can't stand mono-maniacs. And I'm very single-minded in that.

14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material:
CRASS

15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day:
Rolling Stones.

16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee:
The Bums Rush.

17) Most overrated music of the year:
Coldplay

18) Most underrated music of the year:
For once KJ got good press, only feckers who underrated them were the "Management"! Laugh?...

19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are:
Youth's Dragonfly stuff.
Jaz's Orchestral stuff.
Jaz's other stuff.
Youth's LSD stuff.
Just can't get into Murder Inc.

20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet
Won't name names in case I miss someone. You're all brilliant (sic). Official Site should be target practice for suicide bombers of all persuasions.

22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen:
a) they all move to Prague b) I move to Prague c) meet Pavel for a few beers at each weekly gig

23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction
No. Skidoo!

24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown?
Colesy. With a group-hug photo of the gathering on the reverse. Picture disk of Rob's Arse?

25) Favorite track on the new album:
Blood on your hands.

26) Least favorite track on the new album:
Loose cannon (probably cos of that fecking stupid video)

27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been:
VERY LOUD

28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts?
So close...

29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record?
Must be Geordie's turn.

30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today:
Butcher

31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR?
T-shirts, badges. Quality kit!

32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site?
Mouse mats. Malicious Mats? Malicious Mice?

33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House:
Michael Coles (now can I have that clock 093???)

34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended?
No, I now have no idea who that is breathing here in the dark...

35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way:
Ask him how, exactly, the Pentagon knew he had WMD's.

36) Where is Osama Bin Laden:
?

37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)?
As likely as we've seen the last of terrorism courtesy of USUKEUR military-industrial complex on awayfront.

38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance?
?

39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001?
No.

40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day?
Sleeping after night-shift.

41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be:
to be assassinated before I could f



If you're not living on the edge you're taking up too much room.

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square --0-1968574033-1072147192=:67916-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 08:32:47 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:32:47 +0100 Subject: [kj] being in London Message-ID: <14c05d14912a.14912a14c05d@iol.cz> Hey all, I will be in London 2nd-6th January. I would like use an opportunity to meet up gatherers. Anyone who wants to meet up 4th or 5th January evening in somewhere in South London for a beer, let me know. and also please make a proposals for some good and cheap pub (if one can say this about any pub in London) since I dont know London pubs. PAVEL From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 08:37:28 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jari Pakarinen) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:37:28 +0200 Subject: [kj] Xmas Message-ID: <17d149c17ce0d4.17ce0d417d149c@utu.fi> Hyv=E4=E4 Joulua kaikille! Hahaha! Jari From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 09:21:27 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 04:21:27 EST Subject: [kj] being in London Message-ID: <84.1f2d5720.2d196317@aol.com> --part1_84.1f2d5720.2d196317_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Excellent - I' game for that. > Hey all, > > I will be in London 2nd-6th January. > I would like use an opportunity to meet up gatherers. > Anyone who wants to meet up 4th or 5th January evening in somewhere in South > London for a beer, let me know. and also please make a proposals for some > good and cheap pub (if one can say this about any pub in London) since I dont > know London pubs. > > PAVEL > > --part1_84.1f2d5720.2d196317_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Excellent - I' game for that.


Hey all,

I will be in London 2nd-6th January.
I would like use an opportunity to meet up gatherers.
Anyone who wants to meet up 4th or 5th January evening in somewhere in South= London for a beer, let me know. and also please make a proposals for some g= ood and cheap pub (if one can say this about any pub in London) since I dont= know London pubs.

PAVEL



 --part1_84.1f2d5720.2d196317_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 09:41:13 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 04:41:13 EST Subject: [kj] being in London Message-ID: <173.23921ccf.2d1967b9@aol.com> --part1_173.23921ccf.2d1967b9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en I'll be thar too, any ideas on a drinking hole Jamie? Pavel's staying in=20 Camberwell, I'm in Bermondsey.=20 graham --part1_173.23921ccf.2d1967b9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en I'll be thar too, any ideas on a drinking hole Jamie?= Pavel's staying in Camberwell, I'm in Bermondsey.

graham --part1_173.23921ccf.2d1967b9_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 09:54:42 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:54:42 +0100 Subject: [kj] being in London Message-ID: <160522159d3e.159d3e160522@iol.cz> On Sunday Camberwell area is the best for me=2C on Monday probably the be= st is area around Oval-Clapham North=2E=2E=2E = but I can go anywhere in south london=2E=2E=2E I would only prefer not to= go to the other side of London=2E=2E=2E Some ideas for pubs=2E=2E=2E londoners might put together some really goo= d idea=2E PAVEL ----- P=F9vodn=ED zpr=E1va ----- Od=3A Mohomadom=40aol=2Ecom Datum=3A =FAter=FD=2C 23=2E prosince 2003 v 10=3A41 dop P=F8edm=ECt=3A Re=3A =5Bkj=5D being in London =3E I=27ll be thar too=2C any ideas on a drinking = =3E hole Jamie=3F Pavel=27s staying in = =3E Camberwell=2C I=27m in Bermondsey=2E = =3E = =3E graham =3E From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 10:08:46 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Phillipps Marc) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:08:46 -0000 Subject: [kj] being in London Message-ID: <07368E48859AB74A9F1BB3EC5E003184015FF200@beh-exch.beh.nhs.uk> >I would only prefer not to go to the other side of London I'm hurt ! What's wrong with us North Londoners then ?? (cue joke from Jel) I think we could be up for a drinkie . . .=20 Marc . > -----Original Message----- > From: xps1@quick.cz [SMTP:xps1@quick.cz] > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 9:55 AM > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] being in London >=20 > On Sunday Camberwell area is the best for me, on Monday probably the = best > is area around Oval-Clapham North...=20 >=20 > but I can go anywhere in south london... I would only prefer not to = go to > the other side of London... >=20 > Some ideas for pubs... londoners might put together some really good = idea. >=20 > PAVEL >=20 > ----- P=F9vodn=ED zpr=E1va ----- > Od: Mohomadom@aol.com > Datum: =FAter=FD, 23. prosince 2003 v 10:41 dop > P=F8edm=ECt: Re: [kj] being in London >=20 > > I'll be thar too, any ideas on a drinking=20 > > hole Jamie? Pavel's staying in=20 > > Camberwell, I'm in Bermondsey.=20 > >=20 > > graham > >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >=20 >=20 This communication may contain information that is confidential and = legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). = If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information = within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet = Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 10:52:31 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Ford Prefect) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:52:31 -0000 Subject: [kj] Happy Yule... References: <1d1.16836946.2d18e53a@aol.com> Message-ID: <001601c3c942$dd88f230$45349351@sn7212787026> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C3C942.DD2D64B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable just like to say, I very much laughed at that graham...logging off ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jelbod@aol.com=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [kj] Happy Yule... In a message dated 22/12/03 16:22:44 Pacific Standard Time, = webmaster@killing-joke.com writes: Remember to slip the one you love the Yule Log later on...better to = give than to receive?=20 You love your toilet? ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C3C942.DD2D64B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
just like to say, I = very much laughed=20 at that
 
graham...logging off
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jelbod@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, = 2003 12:24=20 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] Happy = Yule...

In a message dated 22/12/03 = 16:22:44 Pacific=20 Standard Time, webmaster@killing-joke.com= =20 writes:

Remember to slip the one you love the Yule Log = later=20 on...better to give than to receive? =





   You love=20 your toilet? ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C3C942.DD2D64B0-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 11:02:09 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Ford Prefect) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:02:09 -0000 Subject: [kj] Thanks for the memories Message-ID: <000a01c3c944$4418a210$45349351@sn7212787026> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3C944.36257750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A hearty CHEERS to all you that posted recordings of shows this tour. = Thanks to you all I was able to Killing Joke my Top 3 cds of the year 1, Killing JOke -Killing Joke 2, Killing Joke- Live at Astoria 3,Killing Joke- Live at Camden Underworld I raise my glass to you all and everyone else graham ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3C944.36257750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A hearty CHEERS to all = you that=20 posted recordings of shows this tour. Thanks to you all I was able to = Killing=20 Joke my Top 3 cds of the year
1, Killing JOke = -Killing=20 Joke
2, Killing Joke- Live = at=20 Astoria
3,Killing Joke- Live at = Camden=20 Underworld
 
I raise my glass to you = all
and everyone = else
graham
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3C944.36257750-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 12:32:29 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 07:32:29 -0500 Subject: [kj] being in London Message-ID: <27DD6FFA.4F992693.0004DF86@aol.com> Not wanting to pander to north londoners too much, but - what about somewhere vaguely central? Didn't we gather in some freemasonry-related pub near covent garden once? That would be appropriate... But so long as they serve beer, I'm not fussed. Jamie >I'll be thar too, any ideas on a drinking hole Jamie? Pavel's staying in Camberwell, I'm in Bermondsey. > >graham From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 12:48:42 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:48:42 +0100 Subject: [kj] being in London Message-ID: <183fa5180f15.180f15183fa5@iol.cz> I dont know how is it exactly in London=2C but Prague centre is much more= expensive than the rest=2E So it worries me a bit=2E I dont want to make= Complications (haha) but the pub shall fit the criteria that I can affor= d to buy there at least one cider=2E=2E=2E-))) In summer it would be much easier - buy a load of cheap stuff from Tescos= and have a party in some beautiful london park=2E but these days I guess= it would not be appropriate=2E -)) In central areas I know a bit only the area around Euston station - Russe= l Square - Goodge Street - Totenham Court Road=2E=2E=2E (hope these place= s are central) the rest is a spanish village for me=2E=2E=2E-) = PAVEL ----- P=F9vodn=ED zpr=E1va ----- Od=3A Jpwhkj=40aol=2Ecom Datum=3A =FAter=FD=2C 23=2E prosince 2003 v 1=3A32 odp P=F8edm=ECt=3A Re=3A =5Bkj=5D being in London =3E Not wanting to pander to north londoners too = =3E much=2C but - what about somewhere vaguely = =3E central=3F Didn=27t we gather in some = =3E freemasonry-related pub near covent garden = =3E once=3F That would be appropriate=2E=2E=2E =3E = =3E But so long as they serve beer=2C I=27m not fussed=2E =3E = =3E Jamie =3E = =3E =3EI=27ll be thar too=2C any ideas on a drinking = =3E hole Jamie=3F Pavel=27s staying in Camberwell=2C = =3E I=27m in Bermondsey=2E =3E =3E =3E =3Egraham =3E = =3E =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F =3E Gathering mailing list =3E Gathering=40misera=2Enet =3E http=3A//four=2Epairlist=2Enet/mailman/listinfo/gathering =3E From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 12:52:08 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Antoni Adamiak) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:52:08 -0000 Subject: [kj] being in London References: <27DD6FFA.4F992693.0004DF86@aol.com> Message-ID: <004a01c3c953$942495c0$834d08c3@mydomain.com> The Freemasons Arms in Covent Garden is an excellent choice - not too much choice on the draught lager front when I was last there (Oranjeboom or Holsten methinks) but very good for a meet - any of the South London mob got any alternatives ? * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [kj] being in London > Not wanting to pander to north londoners too much, but - what about somewhere vaguely central? Didn't we gather in some freemasonry-related pub near covent garden once? That would be appropriate... > > But so long as they serve beer, I'm not fussed. > > Jamie > > >I'll be thar too, any ideas on a drinking hole Jamie? Pavel's staying in Camberwell, I'm in Bermondsey. > > > >graham > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 12:53:13 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:53:13 +0100 Subject: [kj] being in London Message-ID: <18695217fc64.17fc64186952@iol.cz> it anyway, it looks like at least a small gathering will take place. Apart from me already Graham, Matt, Jamie and Marc... good basis for having a good fun. who else? PAVEL From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 13:02:40 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Antoni Adamiak) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:02:40 -0000 Subject: [kj] being in London References: <18695217fc64.17fc64186952@iol.cz> Message-ID: <005701c3c955$0caa5b00$834d08c3@mydomain.com> Be it South or Central London, I should be able to make it. * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [kj] being in London > it anyway, it looks like at least a small gathering will take place. Apart from me already Graham, Matt, Jamie and Marc... good basis for having a good fun. > > who else? > > PAVEL > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 13:15:33 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:15:33 +0100 Subject: [kj] being in London Message-ID: <188c55186238.186238188c55@iol.cz> Great! ----- P=F9vodn=ED zpr=E1va ----- Od=3A Antoni Adamiak =3Cantoni=40clara=2Enet=3E Datum=3A =FAter=FD=2C 23=2E prosince 2003 v 2=3A02 odp P=F8edm=ECt=3A Re=3A =5Bkj=5D being in London =3E Be it South or Central London=2C I should be = =3E able to make it=2E =3E = =3E * http=3A//home=2Eclara=2Enet/antoni/ * From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 13:25:48 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:25:48 -0000 Subject: [kj] Congratulations. Message-ID: <001401c3c958$7d8c5640$8e6cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3C958.46FB5F90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would like to take this oppotunity, To congratulate Tony and = George,For having a great year.Its a bit early for january sales,But now = gaddafi s come in from the cold, you got three tyrants for the price of = two. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3C958.46FB5F90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would like to take this oppotunity, = To=20 congratulate Tony and George,For having a great year.Its a bit early for = january=20 sales,But now gaddafi s  come in from the cold, you got three = tyrants for=20 the price of two.
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3C958.46FB5F90-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 14:56:35 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jim=20Harper?=) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:56:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] KJ Support band/Gatherer bands/Skeletal Family. Message-ID: <20031223145635.71922.qmail@web25002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --0-1725867033-1072191395=:71571 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello everyone! This is a three topic e-mail, so bear with me! 1) Old goths may already know that Skeletal Family have reformed with a new vocalist, plus various original members. I might be receiving some material from them shortly, which could be interesting. 2) Apparently, Skeletal Family drummer Martin Henderson was once in a band called Loose who are supposed to have toured with The Mission and Killing Joke. Anybody see 'em? Any good? Anyone remember them at all? 3) I've just been approached to review demos and so forth for a new website, www.gigsunlimited.co.uk . They're pretty organized and interested in supporting unsigned bands. I'm allowed to pick anything I want to review, so if Gatherer bands could send demos in to them I'd really appreciate it. I've heard Headcount and Parallax1 and they're both great, so I'd love to review them for this website. Do F-Space want any publicity in the UK? I missed the last mp3 that was around, but I'd love to hear you guys, aleph. Anyway, if this sounds any good to Gatherer musicians out there, check the site out and see what you think. Pleasant Christmas to all, Jim. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now --0-1725867033-1072191395=:71571 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hello everyone! This is a three topic e-mail, so bear with me!
 
1) Old goths may already know that Skeletal Family have reformed with a new vocalist, plus various original members. I might be receiving some material from them shortly, which could be interesting.
 
2) Apparently, Skeletal Family drummer Martin Henderson was once in a band called Loose who are supposed to have toured with The Mission and Killing Joke. Anybody see 'em? Any good? Anyone remember them at all?
 
3) I've just been approached to review demos and so forth for a new website, www.gigsunlimited.co.uk . They're pretty organized and interested in supporting unsigned bands. I'm allowed to pick anything I want to review, so if Gatherer bands could send demos in to them I'd really appreciate it. I've heard Headcount and Parallax1 and they're both great, so I'd love to review them for this website. Do F-Space want any publicity in the UK? I missed the last mp3 that was around, but I'd love to hear you guys, aleph.

Anyway, if this sounds any good to Gatherer musicians out there, check the site out and see what you think.

Pleasant Christmas to all,

Jim.

Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now --0-1725867033-1072191395=:71571-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 15:17:35 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:17:35 -0000 Subject: [kj] KJ Support band/Gatherer bands/Skeletal Family. Message-ID: <7D368CED82B7A44FAB699FBB41CC9212073860B3@i2km02-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C967.E49130DB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lisa says: =20 Brief History/ Links to Killing Joke I have seen Loose quite a few times. The bassist with Loose was called Jessica Brown and she used to live with Mick Brown from the Mission. ( and ex Red Lorry Yellow Lorry) She originally played for a band called the VAYNES/DEAD VAYNES, who have supported the Mission. She also used to play in a band with Adam, who is now the guitarist with Sisters of Mercy ( and ex Red Lorry Yellow Lorry) =20 I used to work with Jessica and lent Mick Brown all my ODIC stuff. =20 Mick Brown worked with Jaz Coleman on the G7 project.=20 =20 I saw Red Lorry Yellow Lorry support Killing Joke in Leeds in 1985 and saw Loose support Killing Joke in Sheffield in June 1991. =20 I have seen Jessica a couple of times this year, selling Merchandise for Sisters of Mercy ( her and Andy Eldritch are best buddies) and I saw her briefly at the Nottingham Killing Joke Gig. =20 =20 1) Old goths may already know that Skeletal Family have reformed with a new vocalist, plus various original members. I might be receiving some material from them shortly, which could be interesting. =20 2) Apparently, Skeletal Family drummer Martin Henderson was once in a band called Loose who are supposed to have toured with The Mission and Killing Joke. Anybody see 'em? Any good? Anyone remember them at all? =20 3) I've just been approached to review demos and so forth for a new website, www.gigsunlimited.co.uk . They're pretty organized and interested in supporting unsigned bands. I'm allowed to pick anything I want to review, so if Gatherer bands could send demos in to them I'd really appreciate it. I've heard Headcount and Parallax1 and they're both great, so I'd love to review them for this website. Do F-Space want any publicity in the UK? I missed the last mp3 that was around, but I'd love to hear you guys, aleph. Anyway, if this sounds any good to Gatherer musicians out there, check the site out and see what you think. Pleasant Christmas to all, Jim. =09 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C967.E49130DB Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Lisa says:  =
Brief History/ Links to Killing = Joke
I have seen Loose quite a = few =20 times.
The=20 bassist with Loose was called Jessica Brown and she used to live = with Mick=20 Brown from the Mission. ( and ex Red Lorry Yellow = Lorry)
She=20 originally played for a band called the VAYNES/DEAD VAYNES, who have = supported=20 the Mission.
She=20 also used to play in a band with Adam, who is now the guitarist with = Sisters of=20 Mercy ( and ex Red Lorry Yellow Lorry)
 
I used=20 to work with Jessica and lent Mick Brown all my ODIC = stuff.
 
Mick=20 Brown worked with Jaz Coleman on the G7 project. =
 
I saw=20 Red Lorry Yellow Lorry support Killing Joke in Leeds in 1985 =20 and saw Loose support Killing Joke in Sheffield in = June=20 1991.
 
I have=20 seen Jessica a couple of times this year, selling Merchandise for = Sisters of=20 Mercy ( her and Andy Eldritch=20 are best buddies)
and I=20 saw her briefly at the Nottingham Killing Joke Gig.
 
 
1) Old goths may already know that Skeletal Family have reformed = with a=20 new vocalist, plus various original members. I might be receiving some = material from them shortly, which could be interesting.
 
2) Apparently, Skeletal Family drummer Martin Henderson was once = in a=20 band called Loose who are supposed to have toured with The Mission and = Killing=20 Joke. Anybody see 'em? Any good? Anyone remember them at all?
 
3) I've just been approached to review demos and so forth for a = new=20 website, www.gigsunlimited.co.uk=20 . They're pretty organized and interested in supporting unsigned = bands. I'm=20 allowed to pick anything I want to review, so if Gatherer bands could = send=20 demos in to them I'd really appreciate it. I've heard Headcount and = Parallax1=20 and they're both great, so I'd love to review them for this website. = Do=20 F-Space want any publicity in the UK? I missed the last mp3 that was = around,=20 but I'd love to hear you guys, aleph.

Anyway, if this sounds any good to Gatherer musicians out there, = check the=20 site out and see what you think.

Pleasant Christmas to all,

Jim.

=00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C967.E49130DB-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 15:29:47 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:29:47 +0100 Subject: [kj] KJ Support band/Gatherer bands/Skeletal Family. Message-ID: <19e7ab1a3594.1a359419e7ab@iol.cz> Interesting=2E Anyway=2E it reminds me that I must get some more stuff from Red Lorry Ye= llow Lorry=2E I heard only one their album and it seemed to me better tha= n combined efforts of The Mission and The Sister of Mercy where the guys = play now as Lisa reported=2E ----- P=F9vodn=ED zpr=E1va ----- Od=3A lisa=2Egannon=40bt=2Ecom Datum=3A =FAter=FD=2C 23=2E prosince 2003 v 4=3A17 odp P=F8edm=ECt=3A RE=3A =5Bkj=5D KJ Support band/Gatherer bands/Skeletal Fam= ily=2E =3E Lisa says=3A = =3E Brief History/ Links to Killing Joke =3E I have seen Loose quite a few times=2E =3E The bassist with Loose was called Jessica = =3E Brown and she used to live =3E with Mick Brown from the Mission=2E ( and ex = =3E Red Lorry Yellow Lorry) =3E She originally played for a band called the = =3E VAYNES/DEAD VAYNES=2C who have =3E supported the Mission=2E =3E She also used to play in a band with Adam=2C = =3E who is now the guitarist with =3E Sisters of Mercy ( and ex Red Lorry Yellow = =3E Lorry) = =3E I used to work with Jessica and lent Mick = =3E Brown all my ODIC stuff=2E =3E = =3E Mick Brown worked with Jaz Coleman on the G7 = =3E project=2E = =3E = =3E I saw Red Lorry Yellow Lorry support Killing = =3E Joke in Leeds in 1985 and =3E saw Loose support Killing Joke in Sheffield = =3E in June 1991=2E =3E = =3E I have seen Jessica a couple of times this = =3E year=2C selling Merchandise for =3E Sisters of Mercy ( her and Andy Eldritch are = =3E best buddies) =3E and I saw her briefly at the Nottingham = =3E Killing Joke Gig=2E =3E = =3E = =3E = =3E 1) Old goths may already know that Skeletal = =3E Family have reformed =3E with a new vocalist=2C plus various original = =3E members=2E I might be receiving =3E some material from them shortly=2C which could = =3E be interesting=2E =3E = =3E 2) Apparently=2C Skeletal Family drummer = =3E Martin Henderson was once =3E in a band called Loose who are supposed to = =3E have toured with The Mission =3E and Killing Joke=2E Anybody see =27em=3F Any good=3F = =3E Anyone remember them at =3E all=3F =3E = =3E 3) I=27ve just been approached to review = =3E demos and so forth for a =3E new website=2C www=2Egigsunlimited=2Eco=2Euk =2E = =3E They=27re pretty organized and =3E interested in supporting unsigned bands=2E I=27m = =3E allowed to pick anything I =3E want to review=2C so if Gatherer bands could = =3E send demos in to them I=27d =3E really appreciate it=2E I=27ve heard Headcount = =3E and Parallax1 and they=27re =3E both great=2C so I=27d love to review them for = =3E this website=2E Do F-Space want =3E any publicity in the UK=3F I missed the last = =3E mp3 that was around=2C but I=27d =3E love to hear you guys=2C aleph=2E =3E = =3E Anyway=2C if this sounds any good to Gatherer = =3E musicians out there=2C =3E check the site out and see what you think=2E =3E = =3E Pleasant Christmas to all=2C =3E = =3E Jim=2E =3E = =3E = =3E = =3E From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 16:12:59 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (JOKERS PUB CAFE) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:12:59 -0200 Subject: [kj] KJ Support band/Gatherer bands/Skeletal Family. References: <20031223145635.71922.qmail@web25002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00fc01c3c96f$a38a2b80$d0c9ddc8@o7l3j2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F7_01C3C95E.DEB1AA00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jim, I'm into it!!!!!!!! gonna send you my band's stuff do I get the address in the website??? all the best diaz ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jim Harper=20 To: Gathering=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 12:56 PM Subject: [kj] KJ Support band/Gatherer bands/Skeletal Family. Hello everyone! This is a three topic e-mail, so bear with me! 1) Old goths may already know that Skeletal Family have reformed with = a new vocalist, plus various original members. I might be receiving some = material from them shortly, which could be interesting. 2) Apparently, Skeletal Family drummer Martin Henderson was once in a = band called Loose who are supposed to have toured with The Mission and = Killing Joke. Anybody see 'em? Any good? Anyone remember them at all? 3) I've just been approached to review demos and so forth for a new = website, www.gigsunlimited.co.uk . They're pretty organized and = interested in supporting unsigned bands. I'm allowed to pick anything I = want to review, so if Gatherer bands could send demos in to them I'd = really appreciate it. I've heard Headcount and Parallax1 and they're = both great, so I'd love to review them for this website. Do F-Space want = any publicity in the UK? I missed the last mp3 that was around, but I'd = love to hear you guys, aleph. Anyway, if this sounds any good to Gatherer musicians out there, check = the site out and see what you think. Pleasant Christmas to all, Jim. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! = Download Messenger Now ------=_NextPart_000_00F7_01C3C95E.DEB1AA00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jim, I'm into = it!!!!!!!!
 
gonna send you my band's = stuff
 
do I get the address in the = website???
 
all the best
 
 
diaz
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jim=20 Harper
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, = 2003 12:56=20 PM
Subject: [kj] KJ Support = band/Gatherer=20 bands/Skeletal Family.

Hello everyone! This is a three topic e-mail, so bear with = me!
 
1) Old goths may already know that Skeletal Family have reformed = with a=20 new vocalist, plus various original members. I might be receiving some = material from them shortly, which could be interesting.
 
2) Apparently, Skeletal Family drummer Martin Henderson was once = in a=20 band called Loose who are supposed to have toured with The Mission and = Killing=20 Joke. Anybody see 'em? Any good? Anyone remember them at all?
 
3) I've just been approached to review demos and so forth for a = new=20 website, www.gigsunlimited.co.uk=20 . They're pretty organized and interested in supporting unsigned = bands. I'm=20 allowed to pick anything I want to review, so if Gatherer bands could = send=20 demos in to them I'd really appreciate it. I've heard Headcount and = Parallax1=20 and they're both great, so I'd love to review them for this website. = Do=20 F-Space want any publicity in the UK? I missed the last mp3 that was = around,=20 but I'd love to hear you guys, aleph.

Anyway, if this sounds any good to Gatherer musicians out there, = check the=20 site out and see what you think.

Pleasant Christmas to all,

Jim.

Yahoo!=20 Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! = Download=20 Messenger Now ------=_NextPart_000_00F7_01C3C95E.DEB1AA00-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 16:19:21 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jim=20Harper?=) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:19:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] KJ Support band/Gatherer bands/Skeletal Family. In-Reply-To: <00fc01c3c96f$a38a2b80$d0c9ddc8@o7l3j2> Message-ID: <20031223161921.76968.qmail@web25004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --0-1583966479-1072196361=:73755 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Diaz Thanks for replying- I look forward to hearing your stuff! The web address I gave was wrong (d'oh!), but here's the right one: http://www.gigs-unlimited.co.uk Send your demos to this address: Gigs Unlimited 17 Cromford Avenue Stretford Manchester England M32 9RQ I'll get in touch with them and tell them I want to review your stuff when it arrives- what's your band called by the way? Once again, thanks for the help! Jim. JOKERS PUB CAFE wrote: Hi Jim, I'm into it!!!!!!!! gonna send you my band's stuff do I get the address in the website??? all the best diaz ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Harper To: Gathering Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 12:56 PM Subject: [kj] KJ Support band/Gatherer bands/Skeletal Family. Hello everyone! This is a three topic e-mail, so bear with me! 1) Old goths may already know that Skeletal Family have reformed with a new vocalist, plus various original members. I might be receiving some material from them shortly, which could be interesting. 2) Apparently, Skeletal Family drummer Martin Henderson was once in a band called Loose who are supposed to have toured with The Mission and Killing Joke. Anybody see 'em? Any good? Anyone remember them at all? 3) I've just been approached to review demos and so forth for a new website, www.gigsunlimited.co.uk . They're pretty organized and interested in supporting unsigned bands. I'm allowed to pick anything I want to review, so if Gatherer bands could send demos in to them I'd really appreciate it. I've heard Headcount and Parallax1 and they're both great, so I'd love to review them for this website. Do F-Space want any publicity in the UK? I missed the last mp3 that was around, but I'd love to hear you guys, aleph. Anyway, if this sounds any good to Gatherer musicians out there, check the site out and see what you think. Pleasant Christmas to all, Jim. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now --0-1583966479-1072196361=:73755 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi Diaz
 
Thanks for replying- I look forward to hearing your stuff! The web address I gave was wrong (d'oh!), but here's the right one:
 
 
Send your demos to this address:
 
Gigs Unlimited
17 Cromford Avenue
Stretford
Manchester
England
M32 9RQ
 
I'll get in touch with them and tell them I want to review your stuff when it arrives- what's your band called by the way?
 
Once again, thanks for the help!
 
Jim.

JOKERS PUB CAFE <circusbar@uol.com.br> wrote:
Hi Jim, I'm into it!!!!!!!!
 
gonna send you my band's stuff
 
do I get the address in the website???
 
all the best
 
 
diaz
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Harper
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 12:56 PM
Subject: [kj] KJ Support band/Gatherer bands/Skeletal Family.

Hello everyone! This is a three topic e-mail, so bear with me!
 
1) Old goths may already know that Skeletal Family have reformed with a new vocalist, plus various original members. I might be receiving some material from them shortly, which could be interesting.
 
2) Apparently, Skeletal Family drummer Martin Henderson was once in a band called Loose who are supposed to have toured with The Mission and Killing Joke. Anybody see 'em? Any good? Anyone remember them at all?
 
3) I've just been approached to review demos and so forth for a new website, www.gigsunlimited.co.uk . They're pretty organized and interested in supporting unsigned bands. I'm allowed to pick anything I want to review, so if Gatherer bands could send demos in to them I'd really appreciate it. I've heard Headcount and Parallax1 and they're both great, so I'd love to review them for this website. Do F-Space want any publicity in the UK? I missed the last mp3 that was around, but I'd love to hear you guys, aleph.

Anyway, if this sounds any good to Gatherer musicians out there, check the site out and see what you think.

Pleasant Christmas to all,

Jim.

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Ha! Bet you thought I was going to keep the X-tian rock thread unravelling! Well, I'm not :)
 
What about Saddam? With Gaddafi, Dubbya and Blur, surely that makes four?
 
In (quivering) anticipation, found this at Websters online dictionary...
 
Main Entry: ty·rant
b : a usurper of sovereignty


"peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com> wrote:
I would like to take this oppotunity, To congratulate Tony and George,For having a great year.Its a bit early for january sales,But now gaddafi s  come in from the cold, you got three tyrants for the price of two.


If you're not living on the edge you're taking up too much room.

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square --0-1040646127-1072196537=:4249-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 17:06:05 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:06:05 -0000 Subject: [kj] Congratulations and Jubilations References: <20031223162217.5069.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001201c3c977$1dc1b0b0$ebccff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3C977.0CFBDDF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Acually,Theres four people in blur,Giving a grand total of seven ----- Original Message -----=20 From: foolscircle9ways=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 4:22 PM Subject: [kj] Congratulations and Jubilations Ha! Bet you thought I was going to keep the X-tian rock thread = unravelling! Well, I'm not :) What about Saddam? With Gaddafi, Dubbya and Blur, surely that makes = four?=20 In (quivering) anticipation, found this at Websters online = dictionary... Main Entry: ty=B7rant=20 b : a usurper of sovereignty "peter.west410" wrote: I would like to take this oppotunity, To congratulate Tony and = George,For having a great year.Its a bit early for january sales,But now = gaddafi s come in from the cold, you got three tyrants for the price of = two. If you're not living on the edge you're taking up too much room. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3C977.0CFBDDF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Acually,Theres four people in = blur,Giving a grand=20 total of seven
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 foolscircle9ways
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, = 2003 4:22=20 PM
Subject: [kj] Congratulations = and=20 Jubilations

Ha! Bet you thought I was going to keep the X-tian rock thread=20 unravelling! Well, I'm not :)
 
What about Saddam? With Gaddafi, Dubbya and Blur, surely that = makes four?=20
 
In (quivering) anticipation, found this at Websters online=20 dictionary...
 
Main Entry: ty=B7rant
b : a usurper of sovereignty


"peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com= >=20 wrote:
I would like to take this = oppotunity, To=20 congratulate Tony and George,For having a great year.Its a bit early = for=20 january sales,But now gaddafi s  come in from the cold, you got = three=20 tyrants for the price of two.


If = you're not=20 living on the edge you're taking up too much room.

Do you Yahoo!?
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Photos - Get=20 your photo on the big screen in Times = Square ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3C977.0CFBDDF0-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 17:20:16 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Stuart, OxfordBands) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:20:16 -0000 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 References: <200312181816.hBIIGwOf006595@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <026d01c3c979$0af28e80$60177ad5@mrflibble> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_026A_01C3C979.08870CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03 hello! am i too late for this? been too busy to keep up with going on on the = gathering, but blissfully home for christmas now... stu. 1) Your Name: stu fowkes 2) Your Age: 25 3) Are you married and have you any children?=20 nope. 4) I live here: oxford, england. 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: ooh, 1999 i think.=20 6) What do you want for X-mas? lots of humming machinery, analogue keyboards and little boxes that go = 'woo'. 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? financially speaking? hmm, that'd be a microkorg. worth every penny, = mind.=20 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? personally speaking, staying happy & healthy would do me. although = it'd be nice if my band could somehow open for KJ. 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: dead cities, red seas and lost ghosts by m83. the reviews i'd read = branding it as an electronic my bloody valentine were too much to = resist. the reality obviously isn't as fine as that, and it occasionally = wanders into dodgy vangelis territory, but when it peaks, it's = wonderful. great big sheets of synth noise, kinda like flynig saucer = attack of you replaced the sheets of guitar with analogue synth noises. 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five = favorite releases of the year? wire -send erase errata - at crystal palace ove-naxx - bullets over habikino city hxcx cat on form - structure and fear kid koala - some of my best friends are djs 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? mostly local bands, who i see on a pretty much weekly basis. there's a = lot of nu-metal dross and oasis wannabes (still...!) in oxford, but = there are some amazing bands people'd do well to check out, like the = edmund fitzgerald, youthmovie soundtrack strategies, the workhouse = and... headcount! 12) Worst music you heard all year: any of that faux-retro guitar band nonsense. i hope it was a flash in = the pan. mind you, some of the bands harking back to gang of four et al. = were pretty neat.=20 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of = ________, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need = not be restricted to music) anything like royksopp, lemon jelly or any of that other sloblocks = coffee table electro stuff. oh, and nickelback.=20 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: any of unwound, the birthday party or bikini kill. and the jesus = lizard.=20 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: starsailor should be involved in some sort of accident.=20 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: i'd love it if sonic youth did the same remastering/releasing with = loads of hidden tracks thing that they did for dirty with confusion is = sex.=20 17) Most overrated music of the year: the darkness, without a doubt. i don't care if they're joking, or if = i'm joyless and prematurely old for hating them.=20 18) Most underrated music of the year: dido is world famous. cat power isn't. how does stuff like that = happen? 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: that's difficult. erm. shellac, the birthday party, sonic youth, wire, = le tigre. off the top of my head. i'll regret that in a minute. 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet i think KJ are pretty well represented by the rather wonderful = websites we have on offer at the moment, actually. especially in terms = of rare material being accessible for downloading and so forth.=20 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really = like the following to happen: 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly = explain your reaction this is not a question i much care for, since two days before the = astoria gig that would've been my KJ live debut, i sustained a pretty = bad back injury and was bed-ridden for a week. gutted doesn't even come = close.=20 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the = red Krusty Clown? some of colesy's stuff, please.=20 25) Favorite track on the new album: i think seeing red, actually. 26) Least favorite track on the new album: still don't care much for loose cannon. or the house that... 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have = been: wardance, heh.=20 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your = thoughts? nope. 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next = Killing Joke record? steve albini, without a doubt. he records bands how they ACTUALLY = SOUND, which is how i'd like to hear KJ.=20 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: requiem. even now.=20 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT = THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? nope, although i have my eyes on about half a dozen things malicious = damage-related. i'm waiting for the season of goodwill to end.=20 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable = site? live bootlegs. on vinyl. (er, or cd). 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the = White House: pretty much anyone but george w. given a choice though, how about = steve albini, when he's done with the new kj record? 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? nope, not in the slightest.=20 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: swindon? 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the = homefront (US/UK/EUR)? somehow, i doubt it. 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? not sure how i'm supposed to be 'prepared'... 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September = 11, 2001? perhaps. will we ever know for sure though, really? 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? working at my last job. then spending the afternoon hunched over a = portable radio listening in disbelief. .=20 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American = Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: can't say it affects me, although i imagine that most americans = wouldn't be so happy about that one. 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling = why you feel this way. Support your argument: i think this has been documented by hundreds of journalists and = websites with greater eloquence and a stronger weight of evidence than i = could possibly muster, so go and read them. suffice it to say that the = longer he's president, the worse things will probably get.=20 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own = situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? well, on the principle that anything would be better than the current = bush administration, i'd have to say clinton's, but purely from the = 'lesser of two evils' point of view. blimey, i'm all depressed now.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_026A_01C3C979.08870CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
 
hello!
 
am i too late for this? been too busy to keep up = with going on=20 on the gathering, but blissfully home for christmas now...
 
stu.
 

1) Your Name:
 
stu fowkes

2) Your Age:
 
25

3) Are you married and have you = any=20 children?
 
nope.

4) I live here:
 
oxford, england.

5) I've been a = member of the=20 Gathering since:
 
ooh, 1999 i think.

6) What do you = want for=20 X-mas?
 
lots of humming machinery, analogue keyboards and = little=20 boxes that go 'woo'.

7) Your biggest extravagance of the = year?
 
financially speaking? hmm, that'd be a microkorg. = worth=20 every penny, mind.

8) Your biggest hopes for = 2004?
 
personally speaking, staying happy & healthy = would do=20 me. although it'd be nice if my band could somehow open for=20 KJ.

9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how = is=20 it?:
 
dead cities, red = seas and lost=20 ghosts by m83. the reviews i'd read branding it as an electronic my = bloody=20 valentine were too much to resist. the reality obviously isn't as fine = as=20 that, and it occasionally wanders into dodgy vangelis territory, but = when it=20 peaks, it's wonderful. great big sheets of synth noise, kinda like = flynig=20 saucer attack of you replaced the sheets of guitar with analogue synth = noises.

10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your = top five=20 favorite releases of the year?
 
wire -send
erase errata - at crystal palace
ove-naxx - bullets over habikino city = hxcx
cat on form - structure and fear
kid koala - some of my best friends are=20 djs

11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they = rate?
 
mostly local bands, who i see on a pretty much = weekly basis.=20 there's a lot of nu-metal dross and oasis wannabes (still...!) in = oxford, but=20 there are some amazing bands people'd do well to check out, like the = edmund=20 fitzgerald, youthmovie soundtrack strategies, the workhouse and...=20 headcount!

12) Worst music you heard all year:

any of that faux-retro = guitar band=20 nonsense. i hope it was a flash in the pan. mind you, some of the = bands=20 harking back to gang of four et al. were pretty neat. =

13) If I find out that the person I'm = talking to=20 is a big fan of ________, I lose all interest in talking to them = (note: your=20 answer need not be restricted to music)
 
anything like royksopp, lemon jelly or any of that = other=20 sloblocks coffee table electro stuff. oh, and nickelback. =

14)=20 Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new = material:
any of unwound, the birthday party or bikini kill. = and the=20 jesus lizard.

15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it = up and=20 calling it a day:
 
starsailor should be involved in some sort of = accident.=20

16) Albums most in need of re-mastering = and=20 re-release deluxe stylee:
 
i'd love it if sonic youth did the same=20 remastering/releasing with loads of hidden tracks thing that they did = for=20 dirty with confusion is sex.

17) Most overrated music = of the=20 year:
 
the darkness, without a doubt. i don't care if = they're=20 joking, or if i'm joyless and prematurely old for hating them.=20

18) Most underrated music of the year:
 
dido is world famous. cat power isn't. how does = stuff like=20 that happen?

19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five = favorite=20 bands/artists are:
 
that's difficult. erm. shellac, the birthday = party, sonic=20 youth, wire, le tigre. off the top of my head. i'll regret that in a=20 minute.

20) Express your views on Killing Joke's = presence on the=20 Internet
 
i think KJ are pretty well represented by the = rather=20 wonderful websites we have on offer at the moment, actually. = especially in=20 terms of rare material being accessible for downloading and so forth.=20

22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, = I'd=20 really like the following to happen:

23) Did you get to see = Killing=20 Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction
 
this is not a question i much care for, since two = days=20 before the astoria gig that would've been my KJ live debut, i = sustained a=20 pretty bad back injury and was bed-ridden for a week. gutted doesn't = even come=20 close.

24) What would you have rather seen on the album = cover,=20 other than the red Krusty Clown?
 
some of colesy's stuff, please.

25) = Favorite=20 track on the new album:

i think seeing red, actually.
26) = Least=20 favorite track on the new album:
 
still don't care much for loose cannon. or the = house=20 that...

27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first = single,=20 it would have been:
 
wardance, heh.

28) Have you managed = to see=20 "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts?
 
nope.

29) Outside of Andy Gill, who = would you=20 like to see produce the next Killing Joke record?
 
steve albini, without a doubt. he records bands = how they=20 ACTUALLY SOUND, which is how i'd like to hear KJ.

30) = Killing=20 Joke track that best sums up the world today:
 
requiem. even now.

31) Have you = bought=20 anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU = WAITING=20 FOR?
 
nope, although i have my eyes on about half a = dozen things=20 malicious damage-related. i'm waiting for the season of goodwill to = end.=20

32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike = Coles=20 estimable site?
 
live bootlegs. on vinyl. (er, or = cd).

33)=20 Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White=20 House:
 
pretty much anyone but george w. given a choice = though, how=20 about steve albini, when he's done with the new kj = record?

34)=20 Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been = apprehended?
 
nope, not in the slightest.

36) = Where is=20 Osama Bin Laden:
 
swindon?

37) Have we seen the last = of=20 terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)?
 
somehow, i doubt it.

38) Do you feel = prepared=20 for another such instance?
 
not sure how i'm supposed to be=20 'prepared'...

39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do = with the=20 events of September 11, 2001?
 
perhaps. will we ever know for sure though,=20 really?

40) Where were you/what were you doing on that=20 day?
 
working at my last job. then spending the = afternoon hunched=20 over a portable radio listening in disbelief. .=20

43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face = on the=20 American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your = reaction:
 
can't say it affects me, although i imagine that = most=20 americans wouldn't be so happy about that one.

44) = George=20 W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel = this=20 way. Support your argument:
 
i think this has been documented by hundreds of = journalists=20 and websites with greater eloquence and a stronger weight of evidence = than i=20 could possibly muster, so go and read them. suffice it to say that the = longer=20 he's president, the worse things will probably get.

45) Under=20 which American administration was the world/your own situation better = off:=20 Bush's or Clinton's?
 
well, on the principle that anything would be = better than=20 the current bush administration, i'd have to say clinton's, but purely = from=20 the 'lesser of two evils' point of view. blimey, i'm all depressed = now.=20


------=_NextPart_000_026A_01C3C979.08870CC0-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 17:16:09 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (foolscircle9ways) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:16:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] Congratulations and Jubilations In-Reply-To: <001201c3c977$1dc1b0b0$ebccff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: <20031223171609.18659.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1739700182-1072199769=:16997 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Have we just "outed" the G7? "peter.west410" wrote:Acually,Theres four people in blur,Giving a grand total of seven ----- Original Message ----- From: foolscircle9ways To: gathering@misera.net Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 4:22 PM Subject: [kj] Congratulations and Jubilations Ha! Bet you thought I was going to keep the X-tian rock thread unravelling! Well, I'm not :) What about Saddam? With Gaddafi, Dubbya and Blur, surely that makes four? In (quivering) anticipation, found this at Websters online dictionary... Main Entry: ty·rant b : a usurper of sovereignty "peter.west410" wrote: I would like to take this oppotunity, To congratulate Tony and George,For having a great year.Its a bit early for january sales,But now gaddafi s come in from the cold, you got three tyrants for the price of two. If you're not living on the edge you're taking up too much room. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square If you're not living on the edge you're taking up too much room. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square --0-1739700182-1072199769=:16997 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Have we just "outed" the G7?

"peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Acually,Theres four people in blur,Giving a grand total of seven
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 4:22 PM
Subject: [kj] Congratulations and Jubilations

Ha! Bet you thought I was going to keep the X-tian rock thread unravelling! Well, I'm not :)
 
What about Saddam? With Gaddafi, Dubbya and Blur, surely that makes four?
 
In (quivering) anticipation, found this at Websters online dictionary...
 
Main Entry: ty·rant
b : a usurper of sovereignty


"peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com> wrote:
I would like to take this oppotunity, To congratulate Tony and George,For having a great year.Its a bit early for january sales,But now gaddafi s  come in from the cold, you got three tyrants for the price of two.


If you're not living on the edge you're taking up too much room.

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square


If you're not living on the edge you're taking up too much room.

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square --0-1739700182-1072199769=:16997-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 18:03:03 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:03:03 EST Subject: [kj] being in London Message-ID: <15.1f3250e8.2d19dd57@aol.com> --part1_15.1f3250e8.2d19dd57_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en sounds good to me, was going to suggest the Canterbury in Brixton but see th= e=20 tubes down for 3 weeks or so. Pavel, don't worry about the price of beer, I'll buy you a half haha. 'Tis=20 the giving season after all. Sunday 4th Jan then? graham --part1_15.1f3250e8.2d19dd57_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en sounds good to me, was going to suggest the Canterbur= y in Brixton but see the tubes down for 3 weeks or so.
Pavel, don't worry about the price of beer, I'll buy you a half haha. 'Tis t= he giving season after all.

Sunday 4th Jan then?

graham
 --part1_15.1f3250e8.2d19dd57_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 18:22:35 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Antoni Adamiak) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 18:22:35 -0000 Subject: [kj] being in London References: <15.1f3250e8.2d19dd57@aol.com> Message-ID: <004201c3c981$bd80b9c0$ab887ed4@mydomain.com> The Canterbury Arms, Brixton http://www.regularsreunited.co.uk/pubs/24476/ To be found at SW9 7QD, there is probably a wee problem for those coming down as I believe that Brixton Tube Station is out of action for a few weeks (urgent escalator repairs ? - can someone confirm if this is the case ?) - there is an alternative bus service but that sounds like a bloody nightmare ... * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [kj] being in London sounds good to me, was going to suggest the Canterbury in Brixton but see the tubes down for 3 weeks or so. Pavel, don't worry about the price of beer, I'll buy you a half haha. 'Tis the giving season after all. Sunday 4th Jan then? graham From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 18:22:29 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Djehuti111) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:22:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] KJ Support band/Gatherer bands/Skeletal Family. In-Reply-To: <20031223145635.71922.qmail@web25002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031223182229.73264.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com> Seasoned greetings Jim, > Do F-Space want any publicity in the UK? I > missed the last mp3 that was around, but I'd love to > hear you guys, aleph. We'd love any publicity we can get. It might help when we make it to Europe next year. The Website is here: http://www.mobilization.com/artists/fspace.html We've just released our first CD. I'll mail you a copy if you send me your address. A L P --- Jim Harper wrote: > Hello everyone! This is a three topic e-mail, so > bear with me! > > 1) Old goths may already know that Skeletal Family > have reformed with a new vocalist, plus various > original members. I might be receiving some material > from them shortly, which could be interesting. > > 2) Apparently, Skeletal Family drummer Martin > Henderson was once in a band called Loose who are > supposed to have toured with The Mission and Killing > Joke. Anybody see 'em? Any good? Anyone remember > them at all? > > 3) I've just been approached to review demos and so > forth for a new website, www.gigsunlimited.co.uk . > They're pretty organized and interested in > supporting unsigned bands. I'm allowed to pick > anything I want to review, so if Gatherer bands > could send demos in to them I'd really appreciate > it. I've heard Headcount and Parallax1 and they're > both great, so I'd love to review them for this > website. Do F-Space want any publicity in the UK? I > missed the last mp3 that was around, but I'd love to > hear you guys, aleph. > > Anyway, if this sounds any good to Gatherer > musicians out there, check the site out and see what > you think. > > Pleasant Christmas to all, > > Jim. > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > your friends today! Download Messenger Now ===== "The scene was wild and somewhat sinister. The darkness, the palms, the mountainous background, the silent lake below, the impenetrable canopy of space, studded with secretive and significant stars, formed a stupendous setting for the savage noise and blaze of the ceremony." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 18:40:59 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Stephen Robinson) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 18:40:59 +0000 Subject: [kj] Congratulations and Jubilations In-Reply-To: <001201c3c977$1dc1b0b0$ebccff3e@yourby3nr533ht> References: <20031223162217.5069.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> <001201c3c977$1dc1b0b0$ebccff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: <3FE88C3B.2090801@robinsonworld.freeserve.co.uk> 3. One left. peter.west410 wrote: > Acually,Theres four people in blur,Giving a grand total of seven > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* foolscircle9ways > *To:* gathering@misera.net > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 23, 2003 4:22 PM > *Subject:* [kj] Congratulations and Jubilations > > > > From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 18:55:34 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Ford Prefect) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 18:55:34 -0000 Subject: [kj] being in London References: <15.1f3250e8.2d19dd57@aol.com> <004201c3c981$bd80b9c0$ab887ed4@mydomain.com> Message-ID: <000a01c3c986$5962be70$1d789351@sn7212787026> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3C986.585D5C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yep, tube is down for asbestos removal for 3 weeks, better steer clear = then. I like the sound of this Covent Garden place, but I'm not a lager = drinker graham ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Antoni Adamiak=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [kj] being in London The Canterbury Arms, Brixton http://www.regularsreunited.co.uk/pubs/24476/ To be found at SW9 7QD, there is probably a wee problem for those = coming down as I believe that Brixton Tube Station is out of action for a few = weeks (urgent escalator repairs ? - can someone confirm if this is the case = ?) - there is an alternative bus service but that sounds like a bloody = nightmare ... * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [kj] being in London sounds good to me, was going to suggest the Canterbury in Brixton but = see the tubes down for 3 weeks or so. Pavel, don't worry about the price of beer, I'll buy you a half haha. = 'Tis the giving season after all. Sunday 4th Jan then? graham _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3C986.585D5C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
yep, tube is down for = asbestos=20 removal for 3 weeks, better steer clear then.
 
I like the sound of = this Covent=20 Garden place, but I'm not a lager drinker
 
graham
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Antoni = Adamiak=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, = 2003 6:22=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] being in = London

The Canterbury Arms, Brixton

http://www.regular= sreunited.co.uk/pubs/24476/

To=20 be found at SW9 7QD, there is probably a wee problem for those = coming
down=20 as I believe that Brixton Tube Station is out of action for a few=20 weeks
(urgent escalator repairs ? - can someone confirm if this is = the case=20 ?) -
there is an alternative bus service but that sounds like a = bloody=20 nightmare
...

* http://home.clara.net/antoni/ = *

----- Original Message -----
From: <Mohomadom@aol.com>
To: = <gathering@misera.net>
Sent= :=20 Tuesday, December 23, 2003 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] being in=20 London


sounds good to me, was going to suggest the = Canterbury in=20 Brixton but see
the
tubes down for 3 weeks or so.
Pavel, = don't worry=20 about the price of beer, I'll buy you a half haha. 'Tis
the giving = season=20 after all.

Sunday 4th Jan=20 = then?

graham


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Gathering=20 mailing list
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http://four.= pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3C986.585D5C60-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 19:18:25 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:18:25 -0000 Subject: [kj] Seasonal Greetings Message-ID: <003d01c3c989$920e9e80$3149ff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C3C989.898B5BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I hope everyone has a nice holiday,And does nt forget the real reason = for christmas.......... Eating ........Drinking...........Watching = TV.........and Arguing.(or is that just me?) And everyone comes back fully refreshed for a peaceful 2004.( no I = cant see it either.) Merry Jazmas. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C3C989.898B5BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I hope everyone has a nice holiday,And = does nt=20 forget the real reason for christmas..........    Eating=20 ........Drinking...........Watching TV.........and Arguing.(or is that = just=20 me?)
    And everyone comes = back fully=20 refreshed for a peaceful 2004.( no I cant see it either.)
        Merry=20 Jazmas.
------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C3C989.898B5BE0-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 23 22:34:28 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (P) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:34:28 +0100 Subject: [kj] being in London In-Reply-To: <000a01c3c986$5962be70$1d789351@sn7212787026> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C3C9AD.4F17F080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What a shame! I like Brixton.... I stayed there in 1995 and 1996 for a = week or more each case. Nevermind... I can ask my old friends in London to take me to the pub at = Covent Garden... one of them is a big Killing Joke fan anyway (I only = learned after 3 years of knowing him, when he arrived to Prague at the = day of KJ gig and I told him that I go there, strange). You would not believe that but (while being really Czech) I am not beer = drinker... and I like to drink cider (unbelievable isnt it?). Covent Garden is pretty central isn't it? Graham thanks for your offer... I will buy you 5 beers in Prague and the = debts are paid.-))) (here 1 beer =3D 30 pence) PAVEL -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On = Behalf Of Ford Prefect Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 7:56 PM To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] being in London yep, tube is down for asbestos removal for 3 weeks, better steer clear = then. I like the sound of this Covent Garden place, but I'm not a lager = drinker ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Antoni Adamiak=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [kj] being in London The Canterbury Arms, Brixton http://www.regularsreunited.co.uk/pubs/24476/ To be found at SW9 7QD, there is probably a wee problem for those = coming down as I believe that Brixton Tube Station is out of action for a = few weeks (urgent escalator repairs ? - can someone confirm if this is the = case ?) - there is an alternative bus service but that sounds like a bloody = nightmare ... * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [kj] being in London sounds good to me, was going to suggest the Canterbury in Brixton = but see the tubes down for 3 weeks or so. Pavel, don't worry about the price of beer, I'll buy you a half = haha. 'Tis the giving season after all. Sunday 4th Jan then? graham _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C3C9AD.4F17F080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What a=20 shame! I like Brixton.... I stayed there in 1995 and 1996 for a week or = more=20 each case.
 
Nevermind... I can ask my old friends in London to take me to = the pub at=20 Covent Garden... one of them is a big Killing Joke fan anyway (I only = learned=20 after 3 years of knowing him, when he arrived to Prague at the day of KJ = gig and=20 I told him that I go there, strange).
 
You=20 would not believe that but (while being really Czech) I am not beer = drinker...=20 and I like to drink cider (unbelievable isnt it?).
 
Covent=20 Garden is pretty central isn't it?
 
Graham=20 thanks for your offer... I will buy you 5 beers in Prague and the debts = are=20 paid.-)))   (here 1 beer =3D 30 pence)
 
PAVEL
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: = gathering-admin@misera.net=20 [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of Ford=20 Prefect
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 7:56 = PM
To:=20 gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] being in=20 London

yep, tube is down for = asbestos=20 removal for 3 weeks, better steer clear then.
 
I like = the sound of=20 this Covent Garden place, but I'm not a lager=20 drinker
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Antoni = Adamiak=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, = 2003 6:22=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] being in = London

The Canterbury Arms, Brixton

http://www.regular= sreunited.co.uk/pubs/24476/

To=20 be found at SW9 7QD, there is probably a wee problem for those=20 coming
down as I believe that Brixton Tube Station is out of = action for a=20 few weeks
(urgent escalator repairs ? - can someone confirm if = this is=20 the case ?) -
there is an alternative bus service but that sounds = like a=20 bloody nightmare
...

* http://home.clara.net/antoni/ = *

----- Original Message -----
From: <Mohomadom@aol.com>
To: = <gathering@misera.net>
Sent= :=20 Tuesday, December 23, 2003 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] being in=20 London


sounds good to me, was going to suggest the = Canterbury in=20 Brixton but see
the
tubes down for 3 weeks or so.
Pavel, = don't=20 worry about the price of beer, I'll buy you a half haha. 'Tis
the = giving=20 season after all.

Sunday 4th Jan=20 = then?

graham


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------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C3C9AD.4F17F080-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 24 02:48:41 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (parasikon) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 18:48:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] Seasonal Greetings In-Reply-To: <003d01c3c989$920e9e80$3149ff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: <20031224024841.83882.qmail@web20420.mail.yahoo.com> --0-206440137-1072234121=:83095 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ah, it's just you ......Merry......Eating......Drinking.......Watching TV. "peter.west410" wrote:I hope everyone has a nice holiday,And does nt forget the real reason for christmas.......... Eating ........Drinking...........Watching TV.........and Arguing.(or is that just me?) And everyone comes back fully refreshed for a peaceful 2004.( no I cant see it either.) Merry Jazmas. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square --0-206440137-1072234121=:83095 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Ah, it's just you ......Merry......Eating......Drinking.......Watching TV.

"peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com> wrote:
I hope everyone has a nice holiday,And does nt forget the real reason for christmas..........    Eating ........Drinking...........Watching TV.........and Arguing.(or is that just me?)
    And everyone comes back fully refreshed for a peaceful 2004.( no I cant see it either.)
        Merry Jazmas.

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square --0-206440137-1072234121=:83095-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 24 09:57:44 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Cliff and Kara Livingston) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:57:44 -0900 Subject: [kj] OT HO HO HO bullshit Message-ID: <002a01c3ca04$65aca8c0$718d70d1@antifrz> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C3C9B8.F0B27AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ho HO HOoooooooooo Have you been good little girls and boys,Satan Clawz will bring you to = hell for=20 christams,love to you,Cliff & Family ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C3C9B8.F0B27AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ho HO HOoooooooooo
Have you been good little girls and = boys,Satan=20 Clawz will bring you to hell for
christams,love to you,Cliff &=20 Family
------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C3C9B8.F0B27AE0-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 24 11:48:35 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 11:48:35 -0000 Subject: [kj] Seasonal Greetings References: <20031224024841.83882.qmail@web20420.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01c3ca13$e6575ba0$7bccff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3CA13.DC999D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable See. you ve started arguing already. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: parasikon=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 2:48 AM Subject: Re: [kj] Seasonal Greetings Ah, it's just you ......Merry......Eating......Drinking.......Watching = TV. "peter.west410" wrote:=20 I hope everyone has a nice holiday,And does nt forget the real = reason for christmas.......... Eating = ........Drinking...........Watching TV.........and Arguing.(or is that = just me?) And everyone comes back fully refreshed for a peaceful 2004.( no = I cant see it either.) Merry Jazmas. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3CA13.DC999D30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
See. you ve started arguing = already.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 parasikon=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, = 2003 2:48=20 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] Seasonal=20 Greetings

Ah, it's just you = ......Merry......Eating......Drinking.......Watching=20 TV.

"peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com= >=20 wrote:=20
I hope everyone has a nice = holiday,And does nt=20 forget the real reason for christmas..........    = Eating=20 ........Drinking...........Watching TV.........and Arguing.(or is = that just=20 me?)
    And everyone = comes back=20 fully refreshed for a peaceful 2004.( no I cant see it = either.)
       =20 Merry Jazmas.

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Yahoo! Photos - Get=20 your photo on the big screen in Times = Square ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3CA13.DC999D30-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 24 14:54:32 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Brian Whitehead) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 14:54:32 -0000 Subject: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR '03 Message-ID: <002a01c3ca2d$d78088d0$920e7ad5@EmmaJane> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C3CA2D.D6A78DF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1) Your Name: Brian Whitehead 2) Your Age: 40 3) Are you married and have you any children? Married to Louise and one = child Emma 3 months old 4) I live here: Manchester UK 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: about 1999 6) What do you want for X-mas? A rest 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year?=20 KJ in Berlin 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004?=20 More from KJ and a move abroad 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: The Fall - 'A World Bewitched' a best of. Its great for playing when you = cant decide which Fall album I'm in the mood for.=20 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five = favorite releases of the year? Still in 'retro' at the moment and really got into That Petrol Emotion - = Babble (I'm sure it used to be crap?), but I like bits of the Rapture cd = and the new Creatures CD Ha! Oh and the Fall latest offering 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Pretty busy over the last couple of weeks with Damned (pure pantomime), = Levellers (poor and bored), Wonderstuff (very poor), Fall (good), = NMA(very good), Buzzcocks (very good). 12) Worst music you heard all year: All this RnB stuff on MTV. And all this boy band/pop idol stuff. =20 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of Man = Utd, I lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not = be restricted to music) I hate politics especially all that Nazi right wing crap 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: New material - Killing Joke its been FAR too long now. 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: Cant think . what about meatloaf 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: What about Siouxsie - Hyena=20 17) Most overrated music of the year: Pass 18) Most underrated music of the year: Pass 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: Pixies, Pil, Gang Of Four, Cocteau Twins, Siouxsie ATB, Chameleons = (thats 6 !!) 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet Not enough ? 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like = the following to happen: Simply more music and gigs 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain = your reaction A few times - realisation that no matter how much you like other band, = KJ blow them all away 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the = red Krusty Clown? Anything by Mr C 25) Favorite track on the new album: Blood On Your hands 26) Least favorite track on the new album: Loose cannon 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have = been: Blood On your Hands 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your = thoughts? No 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next = Killing Joke record? No thoughts on this 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: Madness 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE = FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? No I haven't yet but I promise I will 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White = House: any body but the present occupier 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? Not really, never really felt unsafe 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: Let the people of Iraq decide 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: In a cave in Afghanistan - probably 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the = homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Probably not 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? As I will ever be 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September = 11, 2001? Absolutely no idea 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? At work surfing the net (as usual) Thought of one - ban all cover versions from the charts, that'll stop = all them boy bands.=20 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would = be: Don't know. I really hate politics=20 42) Tony Blair is a: traitor 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American = Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: Oh no they don't do they hee hee 44) George W. Bush is an idiot: True or False. Explain your feeling why = you feel this way. Support your argument: Yes he is. You just need to see him on TV. I rest my case 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation = better off: Bush's or Clinton's? I'm doing well now after a really bad 2002 but how much of this is down = to US presidents I'm unsure ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C3CA2D.D6A78DF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
1) Your Name: Brian=20 Whitehead
 
2) Your Age:=20 40
 
3) Are you married and = have you=20 any children? Married to Louise and=20 one child Emma 3 months old
 
4) I live here:=20 Manchester=20 UK
 
5) I've been a member = of the=20 Gathering since: about 1999
 
6) What do you want for = X-mas? A=20 rest
 
7) Your biggest = extravagance of=20 the year?
KJ in = Berlin
 
8) Your biggest hopes = for 2004?=20
More from KJ and a move = abroad
 
9) What was the last = album you=20 bought,why, and how is it?:
The Fall =96 =91A World = Bewitched=92 a=20 best of. Its great for playing when you cant decide which Fall album = I=92m in the=20 mood for.
 
10) Not including the = new Killing=20 Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the=20 year?
Still in =91retro=92 at = the moment=20 and really got into That Petrol Emotion =96 Babble (I=92m sure it used = to be crap?),=20 but I like bits of the Rapture cd and the new Creatures CD=20 Ha!
Oh and the Fall latest=20 offering
 
11) What live bands = have you seen=20 recently. Did they rate?
Pretty busy over the = last couple=20 of weeks with Damned (pure pantomime), Levellers (poor and bored), = Wonderstuff=20 (very poor), Fall (good), NMA(very good), Buzzcocks (very=20 good).

12)=20 Worst music you heard all year:
All this RnB stuff on = MTV. And=20 all this boy band/pop idol stuff.  
 
13) If I find out that = the person=20 I'm talking to is a big fan of Man Utd, I lose all interest in = talking to=20 them (note: your answer need not be restricted to = music)
I hate politics = especially all=20 that Nazi right wing crap
 
14) Band(s) most in = need of=20 reforming/touring/releasing new material:
New material =96 = Killing Joke its=20 been FAR too long now.
 
15) Band(s) most in = need of=20 hanging it up and calling it a day:
Cant think =85 what = about=20 meatloaf
 
16) Albums most in need = of=20 re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee:
What about Siouxsie - = Hyena=20
 
17) Most overrated = music of the=20 year:
Pass
 
18) Most underrated = music of the=20 year:
Pass

19)=20 Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists=20 are:
Pixies, Pil, Gang Of = Four,=20 Cocteau Twins, Siouxsie ATB, Chameleons (thats 6 !!)
 
20) Express your views = on Killing=20 Joke's presence on the Internet
Not enough = ?
 
22) Regarding the Joke, = despite=20 all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to=20 happen:
Simply more music and=20 gigs

23)=20 Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain = your=20 reaction
A few times =96 = realisation that no=20 matter how much you like other band, KJ blow them all = away
 
24) What would you have = rather=20 seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty = Clown?
Anything by Mr=20 C
 
25) Favorite track on = the new=20 album:
Blood On Your=20 hands
 
26) Least favorite = track on the=20 new album:
Loose = cannon
 
27) Were it up to you = to have=20 chosen the first single, it would have been:
Blood On your=20 Hands
 
28) Have you managed to = see "the=20 Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts?
No
 
29) Outside of Andy = Gill, who=20 would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke = record?
No thoughts on=20 this
 
30) Killing Joke track = that best=20 sums up the world today:
Madness
 
31) Have you bought = anything from=20 Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING=20 FOR?
No I haven=92t =  yet but I=20 promise I will
 
32) Goods you'd like to = see made=20 available on Mike Coles estimable site?
 
33) Following the 2004 = Elections,=20 I'd like to see this man in the White House:
any body but the = present=20 occupier
 
34) Do you feel 'safer' = now that=20 Saddam Hussein has been apprehended?
Not really, never = really felt=20 unsafe
 
35) Now that he's in = custody, I=20 would handle Saddam this way:
Let the people of=20 Iraq=20 decide
 
36) Where is Osama Bin=20 Laden:
In a cave in = Afghanistan -=20 probably
 
37) Have we seen the = last of=20 terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront=20 (US/UK/EUR)?
Probably = not
 
38) Do you feel = prepared for=20 another such instance?
As I will ever=20 be
 
39) Do you think=20 Iraq had=20 anything to do with the events of September 11,=20 2001?
Absolutely no=20 idea
 
40) Where were you/what = were you=20 doing on that day?
At work surfing the net = (as=20 usual)
Thought of one - ban = all cover=20 versions from the charts, that=92ll stop all them boy bands. =
 
41) Were you the next = American=20 president, your first act in office would be:
Don=92t know. I really = hate=20 politics
 
42) Tony Blair is a:=20 traitor
 
43) They want replace = Franklin=20 Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald = Reagan.=20 What is your reaction:
Oh no they don=92t do = they hee=20 hee
 
44) George W. Bush is = an idiot:=20 True or False. Explain your feeling why you feel this way. Support your=20 argument:
Yes he = is.
You just need to see = him on TV. I=20 rest my case
 
 
45) Under which = American=20 administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or=20 Clinton's?
I=92m doing well now = after a really=20 bad 2002 but how much of this is down to US presidents I=92m=20 unsure
------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C3CA2D.D6A78DF0-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 24 17:29:29 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 12:29:29 -0500 Subject: [kj] happy xmas Message-ID: <29FDAF70.05202FD1.0004DF86@aol.com> I was in Argos in Kingston today doing some last-minute xmas shopping (ok, I only started yesterday afternoon) when out of the corner of my eye I saw a bloke pushing a pushchair and wearing a KJ t-shirt (recent album). I caught his eye. "Best band in the world, mate." I said, and unzipped my jacket to reveal my own KJ t-shirt. (Pandemonium-era.) We had a brief chat about the Joke (he'd been to Camden and the Astoria, and had followed KJ since '79) and then said our goodbyes. Brought a smile to my face. Anyway - Happy Christmas, fellow gatherers. Jamie From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 24 18:18:53 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (parasikon) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:18:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] Seasonal Greetings In-Reply-To: <000c01c3ca13$e6575ba0$7bccff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: <20031224181853.65446.qmail@web20413.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1938901662-1072289933=:64677 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii No.No. I was agreeing.No arguing here. "peter.west410" wrote:See. you ve started arguing already. ----- Original Message ----- From: parasikon To: gathering@misera.net Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 2:48 AM Subject: Re: [kj] Seasonal Greetings Ah, it's just you ......Merry......Eating......Drinking.......Watching TV. "peter.west410" wrote: I hope everyone has a nice holiday,And does nt forget the real reason for christmas.......... Eating ........Drinking...........Watching TV.........and Arguing.(or is that just me?) And everyone comes back fully refreshed for a peaceful 2004.( no I cant see it either.) Merry Jazmas. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now --0-1938901662-1072289933=:64677 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
No.No. I was agreeing.No arguing here.

"peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com> wrote:
See. you ve started arguing already.
----- Original Message -----
From: parasikon
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 2:48 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] Seasonal Greetings

Ah, it's just you ......Merry......Eating......Drinking.......Watching TV.

"peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com> wrote:
I hope everyone has a nice holiday,And does nt forget the real reason for christmas..........    Eating ........Drinking...........Watching TV.........and Arguing.(or is that just me?)
    And everyone comes back fully refreshed for a peaceful 2004.( no I cant see it either.)
        Merry Jazmas.

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square

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<20031224184744.78854.qmail@web20413.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1771918267-1072291664=:76743 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Merry Christmas Cliff.If Satan Clawz don't get me all the Beyblades,Dragon Ball Z and My Little Ponies probably will.(ha) Cliff and Kara Livingston wrote:Ho HO HOoooooooooo Have you been good little girls and boys,Satan Clawz will bring you to hell for christams,love to you,Cliff & Family --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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Merry Christmas Cliff.If Satan Clawz don't get me all the Beyblades,Dragon Ball Z and My Little Ponies probably will.(ha)

Cliff and Kara Livingston <antifrz@alaska.net> wrote:
Ho HO HOoooooooooo
Have you been good little girls and boys,Satan Clawz will bring you to hell for
christams,love to you,Cliff & Family

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Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square --0-1771918267-1072291664=:76743-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 24 18:52:42 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (dub) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 18:52:42 -0000 Subject: [KJ] Teledubgnosis | Magnetic Learning Center. Message-ID: <002101c3ca4f$200791e0$bc3f869f@LocalHost> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C3CA4F.200791E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, Reading Mike Coles's poll for '03 was the first time I had heard of this band/project, and immediately my curiosity was tweaked, so seeing as I was going to be in town that day, I decided to treat myself and purchase a copy. Lucky for me Tower had 1 in stock and I found it and bought it. As my nickname might suggest, this is very much my cup of tea, it is spectacular! I won't try to describe it, as I would not be able to do it any justice, suffice to say, if you have a good stereo and enjoy low end dub sounds, you'll love this (a bag of green would be good addition also :o)). The best review for it, that matches what I think, is : Reggaeflex.com http://www.reggaeflex.com Dub fans eager to explore the outermost extensions of the music will find satisfaction in Magnetic Learning Center (Wordsound Recordings), Teledubgnosis' first full-length cd. Don't expect traditional reggae like a guitar skank or much singing on this dark and brooding project. Instead, be ready to embrace heavy sonic experiments. Nothing about this band--even their song naming policy--conforms to convention. "some | thing" features a traditionally slow-paced drum pattern normally associated with dub, but at three quarters of the way through this six and a half minute track, the engineer breaks down the beat and the listener is left with only an eerie piano line, with wind sounds in the background. You think to yourself, "It's quiet. Too quiet," and you know the mood is about to change. All of a sudden, crashing, distorted drums and bass interrupt the atmosphere. But after a minute or so, they drift out of the mix as the mood slowly changes back to cautious tranquility. This is perfect horror movie music. Listen alone. Listen late at night. The cd packaging is beautifully low-fi and low-tech, as the backside of the digi-pack looks more like the front of an old, faded two inch master tape box than a cd jewel box. More band, sounclips and purchase info available at : TELEDUBGNOSIS www.teledubgnosis.com/ A definite must for the purchase list in '04. Cheers Mr. C. dub ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C3CA4F.200791E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hello=20 all,
Reading=20 Mike Coles's poll for '03 was the first time I had heard of this = band/project,=20 and immediately my curiosity was tweaked, so seeing as I was going to be = in town=20 that day, I decided to treat myself and purchase a copy. Lucky for me = Tower had=20 1 in stock and I found it and bought it. As my nickname might suggest, = this is=20 very much my cup of tea, it is spectacular! I won't try to describe it, = as I=20 would not be able to do it any justice, suffice to say, if you have a = good=20 stereo and enjoy low end dub sounds, you'll love this (a bag of = green would=20 be good addition also :o)).
 
The best=20 review for it, that matches what I think, is :
 
Reggaeflex.com http://www.reggaeflex.com=20
 

Dub fans=20 eager to explore the outermost extensions of the music will find = satisfaction in=20 Magnetic=20 Learning=20 Center=20 (Wordsound Recordings), Teledubgnosis' first full-length cd. Don't = expect=20 traditional reggae like a guitar skank or much singing on this dark and = brooding=20 project. Instead, be ready to embrace heavy sonic experiments. Nothing = about=20 this band--even their song naming policy--conforms to convention. "some = | thing"=20 features a traditionally slow-paced drum pattern normally associated = with dub,=20 but at three quarters of the way through this six and a half minute = track, the=20 engineer breaks down the beat and the listener is left with only an = eerie piano=20 line, with wind sounds in the background. You think to yourself, "It's = quiet.=20 Too quiet," and you know the mood is about to change. All of a sudden, = crashing,=20 distorted drums and bass interrupt the atmosphere. But after a minute or = so,=20 they drift out of the mix as the mood slowly changes back to cautious=20 tranquility. This is perfect horror movie music. Listen alone. Listen = late at=20 night. The cd packaging is beautifully low-fi and low-tech, as the = backside of=20 the digi-pack looks more like the front of an old, faded two inch master = tape=20 box than a cd jewel box.

 

More = band, sounclips=20 and purchase info available at : TELEDUBGNOSIS www.teledubgnosis.com/ 

 

A = definite must for=20 the purchase list in '04.

 

Cheers = Mr.=20 C.

 

dub

 

------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C3CA4F.200791E0-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 24 19:00:38 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (JOKERS PUB CAFE) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 17:00:38 -0200 Subject: [kj] Ho Ho Horror References: <002a01c3ca04$65aca8c0$718d70d1@antifrz> Message-ID: <003c01c3ca50$892b0c00$03c9ddc8@o7l3j2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3CA3F.749B6FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Merry fucking christmas to all gatherers 'round the globe!!!!!!!!!!!!!! love & peace & war !!! we are going to do a = ...........................................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! diaz ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Cliff and Kara Livingston=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 7:57 AM Subject: [kj] OT HO HO HO bullshit Ho HO HOoooooooooo Have you been good little girls and boys,Satan Clawz will bring you to = hell for=20 christams,love to you,Cliff & Family ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3CA3F.749B6FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Merry fucking christmas to all = gatherers 'round the=20 globe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
love & peace
 
& war=20 !!!
 
we are going to do a=20 ...........................................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!=
 
 
diaz
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Cliff = and Kara=20 Livingston
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, = 2003 7:57=20 AM
Subject: [kj] OT HO HO HO = bullshit

Ho HO HOoooooooooo
Have you been good little girls and = boys,Satan=20 Clawz will bring you to hell for
christams,love to you,Cliff &=20 Family
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3CA3F.749B6FC0-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 24 18:55:17 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Javier Garcia) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:55:17 -0500 Subject: [kj] Seasonal Greetings Message-ID: Merry Xmas to all of you guys!! Javier mexico.city --------- Original Message --------- DATE: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:18:53 From: parasikon To: gathering@misera.net Cc: >No.No. I was agreeing.No arguing here. > >"peter.west410" wrote:See. you ve started arguing already. >----- Original Message ----- >From: parasikon >To: gathering@misera.net >Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 2:48 AM >Subject: Re: [kj] Seasonal Greetings > > >Ah, it's just you ......Merry......Eating......Drinking.......Watching TV. > >"peter.west410" wrote: I hope everyone has a nice holiday,And does nt forget the real reason for christmas.......... Eating ........Drinking...........Watching TV.........and Arguing.(or is that just me?) > And everyone comes back fully refreshed for a peaceful 2004.( no I cant see it either.) > Merry Jazmas. > > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 24 19:05:28 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (JOKERS PUB CAFE) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 17:05:28 -0200 Subject: [kj] OT HO HO HO bullshit References: <20031224184744.78854.qmail@web20413.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004d01c3ca50$e5fa81e0$03c9ddc8@o7l3j2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C3CA40.2155E1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Beyblades!!!!!!!!! that's all my son talk about this christmas!!!!!! diaz =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: parasikon=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [kj] OT HO HO HO bullshit Merry Christmas Cliff.If Satan Clawz don't get me all the = Beyblades,Dragon Ball Z and My Little Ponies probably will.(ha) Cliff and Kara Livingston wrote:=20 Ho HO HOoooooooooo Have you been good little girls and boys,Satan Clawz will bring you = to hell for=20 christams,love to you,Cliff & Family -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C3CA40.2155E1A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Beyblades!!!!!!!!!
 
 that's all my son talk about=20 this christmas!!!!!!
 
diaz
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 parasikon=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, = 2003 4:47=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] OT HO HO HO=20 bullshit

Merry Christmas Cliff.If Satan Clawz don't get me all=20 the Beyblades,Dragon Ball Z and My Little Ponies probably=20 will.(ha)

Cliff and Kara Livingston <antifrz@alaska.net> = wrote:=20
Ho HO HOoooooooooo
Have you been good little girls and = boys,Satan=20 Clawz will bring you to hell for
christams,love to you,Cliff &=20 Family

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Photos - Get=20 your photo on the big screen in Times = Square ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C3CA40.2155E1A0-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 24 19:00:26 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 19:00:26 -0000 Subject: [kj] Spot the gatherer References: <028201c3ca4d$0ff1e730$920e7ad5@EmmaJane> Message-ID: <002201c3ca50$3c447660$1f6cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C3CA50.30DE3810 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_001F_01C3CA50.30E56400" ------=_NextPart_001_001F_01C3CA50.30E56400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Any chance of some more crowd pics,I must be in there somewhere. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brian Whitehead=20 To: Gathering=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 6:38 PM Subject: [kj] Spot the gatherer How many on this pic... ------=_NextPart_001_001F_01C3CA50.30E56400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Any chance of some more crowd pics,I = must be in=20 there somewhere.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Brian=20 Whitehead
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, = 2003 6:38=20 PM
Subject: [kj] Spot the = gatherer

How many on this pic...
 
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Cheers Javier mx city --------- Original Message --------- DATE: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 17:05:28 From: "JOKERS PUB CAFE" To: Cc: > >Beyblades!!!!!!!!! > > that's all my son talk about this christmas!!!!!! > >diaz > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: parasikon > To: gathering@misera.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 4:47 PM > Subject: Re: [kj] OT HO HO HO bullshit > > > Merry Christmas Cliff.If Satan Clawz don't get me all the Beyblades,Dragon Ball Z and My Little Ponies probably will.(ha) > > Cliff and Kara Livingston wrote: > Ho HO HOoooooooooo > Have you been good little girls and boys,Satan Clawz will bring you to hell for > christams,love to you,Cliff & Family > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square > ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 24 20:56:50 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mark Saxton) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 20:56:50 -0000 Subject: [kj] Merry Christmas Message-ID: <002901c3ca60$74277540$1ce82ad9@musicpc> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C3CA60.73FB3520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wishing everyone a great end to the year, 'tas bin a good 'un, no doubt = next year will be too, thanks for all the downloads,news and piccies and = wishing for a little less bollocks threads next year,cheers! You know, Beggars can't be choosers but, Cheggars can definitely be boozers! ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C3CA60.73FB3520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wishing everyone a great end to the = year, 'tas bin=20 a good 'un, no doubt next year will be too, thanks for all the = downloads,news=20 and piccies and wishing for a little less bollocks threads next=20 year,cheers!
 
You know, Beggars can't be = choosers
but, Cheggars can definitely be=20 boozers!
------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C3CA60.73FB3520-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 24 22:11:54 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (foolscircle9ways) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 14:11:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] TeleDrugnosis. In-Reply-To: <002101c3ca4f$200791e0$bc3f869f@LocalHost> Message-ID: <20031224221154.78442.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1784194880-1072303914=:76213 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Before I fled Her Corginess I burned to CD a track by a band cunningly fashioned as Killing Joke. It is fucking full on going out of my mind where the hell did that come from? Can I change my poll answers to have this as the sugar on my Chaos for Breakfast? And the milk of the stars and this beautiful moment? P.S. It was labelled Drug and I have no idea who sold me it, guv. Stuart If you're not living on the edge you're taking up too much room. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square --0-1784194880-1072303914=:76213 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Before I fled Her Corginess I burned to CD a track by a band cunningly fashioned as Killing Joke. It is fucking full on going out of my mind where the hell did that come from? Can I  change my poll answers to have this as the sugar on my Chaos for Breakfast? And the milk of the stars and this beautiful moment?
 
P.S. It was labelled Drug and I have no idea who sold me it, guv.
 
Stuart


If you're not living on the edge you're taking up too much room.

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square --0-1784194880-1072303914=:76213-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 24 22:58:11 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (J.D.Spooner) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:58:11 -0000 Subject: [kj] happy xmas all Message-ID: <000a01c3ca71$679d8ec0$4be90651@firedancutwuc1> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3CA71.678599F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI All have a good Xmas & a happy new year. see you all soon. in 2004. & thanks everyone. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3CA71.678599F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
HI All have  a good Xmas & = a  happy=20 new  year.
see  you all soon.
in 2004.
& thanks  = everyone.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3CA71.678599F0-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 24 23:06:51 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 18:06:51 EST Subject: [kj] Xmas Message-ID: <12c.3861eed1.2d1b760b@aol.com> --part1_12c.3861eed1.2d1b760b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Hope all you Gatherers have a crackin xmas. Best wishes to u all, Lyle --part1_12c.3861eed1.2d1b760b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,
    Hope all you Gatherers have a crackin xmas.

Best wishes to u all,

Lyle --part1_12c.3861eed1.2d1b760b_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 25 00:21:14 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (wehavejoy) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 00:21:14 -0000 Subject: [kj] Merry Christmas . . . Message-ID: <001601c3ca7d$01a3f170$d27d2352@nonedo4ir6vr4l> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C3CA7D.0189B2B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable and a happy new year thing . .=20 Marc & Sarah ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C3CA7D.0189B2B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
and a happy new year thing . . =
 
Marc & = Sarah
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C3CA7D.0189B2B0-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 25 01:30:00 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 19:30:00 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: He's coming...he's coming!!! Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3155139109_2020550 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable LQQK! http://www.noradsanta.org/ I am getting new toys this year...hahaha Happy holidays to all you fucka=B9s from your drunk fucking Jester... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3155139109_2020550 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable OT: He's coming...he's coming!!! LQQK!

http://www.noradsanta.org/

I am getting new toys this year...hahaha


Happy holidays to all you fucka’s from your drunk fucking Jester...



KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3155139109_2020550-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 25 05:56:52 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (parasikon) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 21:56:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT HO HO HO bullshit In-Reply-To: <004d01c3ca50$e5fa81e0$03c9ddc8@o7l3j2> Message-ID: <20031225055652.61135.qmail@web20405.mail.yahoo.com> --0-199307283-1072331812=:59276 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah, took me awhile to figure out what they really were.I was thinking along the lines of some samurai robot or something.Come to find out, they're just spinning tops with interchangable parts.Seems like these things really appeal to kids.My son likes the cartoons and all of it. JOKERS PUB CAFE wrote: Beyblades!!!!!!!!! that's all my son talk about this christmas!!!!!! diaz ----- Original Message ----- From: parasikon To: gathering@misera.net Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [kj] OT HO HO HO bullshit Merry Christmas Cliff.If Satan Clawz don't get me all the Beyblades,Dragon Ball Z and My Little Ponies probably will.(ha) Cliff and Kara Livingston wrote: Ho HO HOoooooooooo Have you been good little girls and boys,Satan Clawz will bring you to hell for christams,love to you,Cliff & Family --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square --0-199307283-1072331812=:59276 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Yeah, took me awhile to figure out what they really were.I was thinking along the lines of some samurai robot or something.Come to find out, they're just spinning tops with interchangable parts.Seems like these things really appeal to kids.My son likes the cartoons and all of it.

JOKERS PUB CAFE <circusbar@uol.com.br> wrote:
 
Beyblades!!!!!!!!!
 
 that's all my son talk about this christmas!!!!!!
 
diaz
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: parasikon
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] OT HO HO HO bullshit

Merry Christmas Cliff.If Satan Clawz don't get me all the Beyblades,Dragon Ball Z and My Little Ponies probably will.(ha)

Cliff and Kara Livingston <antifrz@alaska.net> wrote:
Ho HO HOoooooooooo
Have you been good little girls and boys,Satan Clawz will bring you to hell for
christams,love to you,Cliff & Family

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square --0-199307283-1072331812=:59276-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 25 09:37:43 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Leigh Newton) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 01:37:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [KJ] Teledubgnosis | Magnetic Learning Center. In-Reply-To: <002101c3ca4f$200791e0$bc3f869f@LocalHost> Message-ID: <20031225093743.47807.qmail@web10408.mail.yahoo.com> Damn, that is one intriguing sounding description. I'll have to check that out for sure. The way it's described kind of reminds me of how i might describe Higher Intelligence Agency to someone. More on the ambient techno side, but still heavy on the dub. Very very cool. You should definately check these guys out (if you haven't done so already). Thanks! Leigh --- dub wrote: > Hello all, > Reading Mike Coles's poll for '03 was the first time > I had heard of this > band/project, and immediately my curiosity was > tweaked, so seeing as I > was going to be in town that day, I decided to treat > myself and purchase > a copy. Lucky for me Tower had 1 in stock and I > found it and bought it. > As my nickname might suggest, this is very much my > cup of tea, it is > spectacular! I won't try to describe it, as I would > not be able to do it > any justice, suffice to say, if you have a good > stereo and enjoy low end > dub sounds, you'll love this (a bag of green would > be good addition also > :o)). > > The best review for it, that matches what I think, > is : > > Reggaeflex.com > http://www.reggaeflex.com > > > Dub fans eager to explore the outermost extensions > of the music will > find satisfaction in Magnetic Learning Center > (Wordsound Recordings), > Teledubgnosis' first full-length cd. Don't expect > traditional reggae > like a guitar skank or much singing on this dark and > brooding project. > Instead, be ready to embrace heavy sonic > experiments. Nothing about this > band--even their song naming policy--conforms to > convention. "some | > thing" features a traditionally slow-paced drum > pattern normally > associated with dub, but at three quarters of the > way through this six > and a half minute track, the engineer breaks down > the beat and the > listener is left with only an eerie piano line, with > wind sounds in the > background. You think to yourself, "It's quiet. Too > quiet," and you know > the mood is about to change. All of a sudden, > crashing, distorted drums > and bass interrupt the atmosphere. But after a > minute or so, they drift > out of the mix as the mood slowly changes back to > cautious tranquility. > This is perfect horror movie music. Listen alone. > Listen late at night. > The cd packaging is beautifully low-fi and low-tech, > as the backside of > the digi-pack looks more like the front of an old, > faded two inch master > tape box than a cd jewel box. > > > > More band, sounclips and purchase info available at > : TELEDUBGNOSIS > > www.teledubgnosis.com/ > > > > A definite must for the purchase list in '04. > > > > Cheers Mr. C. > > > > dub > > > > ===== http://www.daiquiri.tvheaven.com http://www.tweek.tvheaven.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 25 14:09:59 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 09:09:59 EST Subject: [kj] (no subject) Message-ID: <1a8.1de853c3.2d1c49b7@aol.com> --part1_1a8.1de853c3.2d1c49b7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seasons Greetings one and all Gatherer's Steve in Bucks --part1_1a8.1de853c3.2d1c49b7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Seasons Greetings one and all=20= Gatherer's
Steve in Bucks --part1_1a8.1de853c3.2d1c49b7_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Thu Dec 25 15:36:54 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bo Krogsgaard) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 16:36:54 +0100 Subject: [kj] Congratulations! Message-ID: <3FEB1226.28761.A5A383@localhost> Christmas is OVER! Woohoo! All the best to everyone on the list, especially the gang from Lokerse and the freaks from the webchat! b spending his days off with three crates of beer and a complete David Lynch collection From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 26 08:24:34 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bob Barathy) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 08:24:34 -0000 Subject: [kj] Mick Brown In-Reply-To: <7D368CED82B7A44FAB699FBB41CC9212073860B3@i2km02-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C3CB89.B1B51AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message Lisa said: Mick Brown worked with Jaz Coleman on the G7 project. I seem to remember Jaz saying that Mick Brown help heal a rift between Himself and Geordie after Extremities and he was on the selection board for the Island Project. Bob ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C3CB89.B1B51AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
 Lisa said: Mick = Brown worked=20 with Jaz Coleman on the G7 project. =
 
I seem to remember Jaz saying that = Mick Brown=20 help heal a rift between Himself and Geordie after Extremities and he = was on the=20 selection board for the Island Project.
 
Bob
------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C3CB89.B1B51AA0-- From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 26 09:00:33 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Cliff and Kara Livingston) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 00:00:33 -0900 Subject: [kj] KJ Support/Gatherer bands/ References: <20031223161921.76968.qmail@web25004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003601c3cb8e$b8c33020$ab8a70d1@antifrz> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C3CB43.483CD720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey thanks Jim,we'll send ya some cd's ! Cheers,Cliff=20 http://www.parallax1.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jim Harper=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [kj] KJ Support band/Gatherer bands/Skeletal Family. Hi Diaz Thanks for replying- I look forward to hearing your stuff! The web = address I gave was wrong (d'oh!), but here's the right one: http://www.gigs-unlimited.co.uk Send your demos to this address: Gigs Unlimited 17 Cromford Avenue Stretford Manchester England M32 9RQ I'll get in touch with them and tell them I want to review your stuff = when it arrives- what's your band called by the way? Once again, thanks for the help! Jim. JOKERS PUB CAFE wrote: Hi Jim, I'm into it!!!!!!!! gonna send you my band's stuff do I get the address in the website??? all the best diaz ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jim Harper=20 To: Gathering=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 12:56 PM Subject: [kj] KJ Support band/Gatherer bands/Skeletal Family. Hello everyone! This is a three topic e-mail, so bear with me! 1) Old goths may already know that Skeletal Family have reformed = with a new vocalist, plus various original members. I might be receiving = some material from them shortly, which could be interesting. 2) Apparently, Skeletal Family drummer Martin Henderson was once = in a band called Loose who are supposed to have toured with The Mission = and Killing Joke. Anybody see 'em? Any good? Anyone remember them at = all? 3) I've just been approached to review demos and so forth for a = new website, www.gigsunlimited.co.uk . They're pretty organized and = interested in supporting unsigned bands. I'm allowed to pick anything I = want to review, so if Gatherer bands could send demos in to them I'd = really appreciate it. I've heard Headcount and Parallax1 and they're = both great, so I'd love to review them for this website. Do F-Space want = any publicity in the UK? I missed the last mp3 that was around, but I'd = love to hear you guys, aleph. Anyway, if this sounds any good to Gatherer musicians out there, = check the site out and see what you think. Pleasant Christmas to all, Jim. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends = today! Download Messenger Now -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! = Download Messenger Now ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C3CB43.483CD720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey thanks Jim,we'll send ya some cd's=20 !
Cheers,Cliff
http://www.parallax1.com
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jim=20 Harper
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, = 2003 7:19=20 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] KJ Support=20 band/Gatherer bands/Skeletal Family.

Hi Diaz
 
Thanks for replying- I look forward to hearing your stuff! The = web=20 address I gave was wrong (d'oh!), but here's the right one:
 
http://www.gigs-unlimited.co.uk<= /A>
 
Send your demos to this address:
 
Gigs Unlimited
17 Cromford Avenue
Stretford
Manchester
England
M32 = 9RQ
 
I'll get in touch with them and tell them I want to review your = stuff=20 when it arrives- what's your band called by the way?
 
Once again, thanks for the help!
 
Jim.

JOKERS PUB CAFE = <circusbar@uol.com.br>=20 wrote:
Hi Jim, I'm into = it!!!!!!!!
 
gonna send you my band's = stuff
 
do I get the address in the=20 website???
 
all the best
 
 
diaz
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Jim Harper
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, = 2003=20 12:56 PM
Subject: [kj] KJ Support=20 band/Gatherer bands/Skeletal Family.

Hello everyone! This is a three topic e-mail, so bear with = me!
 
1) Old goths may already know that Skeletal Family have = reformed with=20 a new vocalist, plus various original members. I might be = receiving some=20 material from them shortly, which could be interesting.
 
2) Apparently, Skeletal Family drummer Martin Henderson was = once in a=20 band called Loose who are supposed to have toured with The Mission = and=20 Killing Joke. Anybody see 'em? Any good? Anyone remember them at=20 all?
 
3) I've just been approached to review demos and so forth for = a new=20 website, www.gigsunlimited.co.uk .=20 They're pretty organized and interested in supporting unsigned = bands. I'm=20 allowed to pick anything I want to review, so if Gatherer bands = could send=20 demos in to them I'd really appreciate it. I've heard Headcount = and=20 Parallax1 and they're both great, so I'd love to review them for = this=20 website. Do F-Space want any publicity in the UK? I missed the = last mp3=20 that was around, but I'd love to hear you guys, aleph.

Anyway, if this sounds any good to Gatherer musicians out = there, check=20 the site out and see what you think.

Pleasant Christmas to all,

Jim.

Yahoo!=20 Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends = today! Download=20 Messenger Now

Yahoo!=20 Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! = Download=20 Messenger Now ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C3CB43.483CD720-- From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 20 21:00:36 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Stephen Robinson) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:00:36 +0000 Subject: [kj] OT: Goth In-Reply-To: <200312192200.hBJM05gS012804@basil.jkm.net> References: <200312192200.hBJM05gS012804@basil.jkm.net> Message-ID: <3FE4B874.9030202@robinsonworld.freeserve.co.uk> >Actually I was watching ITV (UK) news the other night >and it said the government had released a report that >says this generation of British teens is the first >to be likely to NOT outlive their parents due to >being overweight, underexercised, drinking, drugging, >and having sex with zillions of partners before they >hit 16. And beyond > I think it's just cause they all little fat baskits. Still you have to feel sorry for them, when a big pair of trousers appears to define the entirty of "Youth Culture". Now I'm getting on a bit, but shouldn't I be finding modern music weird and frighting, not bland and inoffence varients of music that was popular 20 odd years ago? Bah, humbug etc etc. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 26 19:09:50 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (ade) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:09:50 -0000 Subject: [kj] OT: Goth In-Reply-To: <3FE4B874.9030202@robinsonworld.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <000201c3cbe3$d6823ca0$0200a8c0@thelab.local> 4kin hit the nail on the head... -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of Stephen Robinson Sent: 20 December 2003 21:01 To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Goth >Actually I was watching ITV (UK) news the other night >and it said the government had released a report that >says this generation of British teens is the first >to be likely to NOT outlive their parents due to >being overweight, underexercised, drinking, drugging, >and having sex with zillions of partners before they >hit 16. And beyond > I think it's just cause they all little fat baskits. Still you have to feel sorry for them, when a big pair of trousers appears to define the entirty of "Youth Culture". Now I'm getting on a bit, but shouldn't I be finding modern music weird and frighting, not bland and inoffence varients of music that was popular 20 odd years ago? Bah, humbug etc etc. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 26 20:09:13 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 20:09:13 -0000 Subject: [kj] OT: Goth References: <200312192200.hBJM05gS012804@basil.jkm.net> <3FE4B874.9030202@robinsonworld.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <000801c3cbec$2455a9a0$e6ccff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Am i the only envious one? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Robinson" To: Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Goth > > > >Actually I was watching ITV (UK) news the other night > >and it said the government had released a report that > >says this generation of British teens is the first > >to be likely to NOT outlive their parents due to > >being overweight, underexercised, drinking, drugging, > >and having sex with zillions of partners before they > >hit 16. And beyond > > > I think it's just cause they all little fat baskits. Still you have to > feel sorry for them, when a big pair of trousers appears to define the > entirty of "Youth Culture". Now I'm getting on a bit, but shouldn't I > be finding modern music weird and frighting, not bland and inoffence > varients of music that was popular 20 odd years ago? > > Bah, humbug etc etc. > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 26 20:20:20 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Cliff and Kara Livingston) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:20:20 -0900 Subject: [kj] OT: Gothmas References: <200312192200.hBJM05gS012804@basil.jkm.net> <3FE4B874.9030202@robinsonworld.freeserve.co.uk> <000801c3cbec$2455a9a0$e6ccff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: <02f201c3cbed$b782dbc0$ab8a70d1@antifrz> Bring us some figgy pudding ! ! ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter.west410" To: Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Goth > Am i the only envious one? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Robinson" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 9:00 PM > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Goth > > > > > > > > >Actually I was watching ITV (UK) news the other night > > >and it said the government had released a report that > > >says this generation of British teens is the first > > >to be likely to NOT outlive their parents due to > > >being overweight, underexercised, drinking, drugging, > > >and having sex with zillions of partners before they > > >hit 16. And beyond > > > > > I think it's just cause they all little fat baskits. Still you have to > > feel sorry for them, when a big pair of trousers appears to define the > > entirty of "Youth Culture". Now I'm getting on a bit, but shouldn't I > > be finding modern music weird and frighting, not bland and inoffence > > varients of music that was popular 20 odd years ago? > > > > Bah, humbug etc etc. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 26 23:00:59 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dammit Bleep) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:00:59 +0000 Subject: [kj] OT: Goth Message-ID:

Preach on, Brother Robinson. Preach on.




Saepe ne utile quidem est scire quid futurum sit. >From: Stephen Robinson >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Goth >Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:00:36 +0000 > > > >>Actually I was watching ITV (UK) news the other night >>and it said the government had released a report that >>says this generation of British teens is the first >>to be likely to NOT outlive their parents due to >>being overweight, underexercised, drinking, drugging, >>and having sex with zillions of partners before they >>hit 16. And beyond >> >I think it's just cause they all little fat baskits. Still you have >to feel sorry for them, when a big pair of trousers appears to >define the entirty of "Youth Culture". Now I'm getting on a bit, >but shouldn't I be finding modern music weird and frighting, not >bland and inoffence varients of music that was popular 20 odd years >ago? > >Bah, humbug etc etc. > > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering

Enjoy a special introductory offer for dial-up Internet access — limited time only! Get dial-up Internet access now with our best offer: 6 months @$9.95/month! From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 26 23:29:18 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dammit Bleep) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:29:18 +0000 Subject: [kj] OT: Gothmas Message-ID:

Since someone brought up "GOTH", I have to share this:

 

A few years ago while in a bookstore, I nabbed some music mag that talked about their interview with the "Godfathers of Goth" Bauhaus. I instantly cringed at the blurb, but skipped forward to read the interview.

Eventually, the question was asked: "what's it like being known as the Godfathers of Goth, Peter?" To this, Peter Murphy responded something to the effect of how they laughed about that idea. They never set out to creat a "Goth Movement" and they don't consider themselves a part of it.

Maybe someone has read/seen something to the contrary, but Murphy went up a few more notches in my book that day.

-jim



 




Saepe ne utile quidem est scire quid futurum sit. >From: "Cliff and Kara Livingston" >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >To: >Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Gothmas >Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:20:20 -0900 > >Bring us some figgy pudding ! ! ! > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "peter.west410" >To: >Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 11:09 AM >Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Goth > > > > Am i the only envious one? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Robinson" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 9:00 PM > > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Goth > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Actually I was watching ITV (UK) news the other night > > > >and it said the government had released a report that > > > >says this generation of British teens is the first > > > >to be likely to NOT outlive their parents due to > > > >being overweight, underexercised, drinking, drugging, > > > >and having sex with zillions of partners before they > > > >hit 16. And beyond > > > > > > > I think it's just cause they all little fat baskits. Still you have to > > > feel sorry for them, when a big pair of trousers appears to define the > > > entirty of "Youth Culture". Now I'm getting on a bit, but shouldn't I > > > be finding modern music weird and frighting, not bland and inoffence > > > varients of music that was popular 20 odd years ago? > > > > > > Bah, humbug etc etc. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gathering mailing list > > > Gathering@misera.net > > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering

Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 26 23:31:25 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dammit Bleep) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:31:25 +0000 Subject: [kj] OT: Gothmas Message-ID:

No sooner than I write all that than I look up the Bauhaus official webstite from which is offered:

www.bauhausmusik.com/bio/


Get reliable dial-up Internet access now with our limited-time introductory offer. From gathering@misera.net Fri Dec 26 23:46:51 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (ade) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:46:51 -0000 Subject: [kj] OT: Gothmas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c3cc0a$89918320$0200a8c0@thelab.local> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C3CC0A.89918320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neither the Bau, Siouxsie or Death Cult / The Cult are into the goth tag, eventhough they all influenced goth massively at certain periods of their respective outpourings. You can't beat the originals ;) Not dissing goth though (as I have in the past :) - I'm a big fan of where it all came from & love the Neph (but not much else). I'd much rather listen to Bauhaus than the Sisters, so I prefer the darker stuff in general. IMO late 70's / early 80's was an incredible time for 'alternative' music of all sorts! -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of Dammit Bleep Sent: 26 December 2003 23:29 To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Gothmas Since someone brought up "GOTH", I have to share this: A few years ago while in a bookstore, I nabbed some music mag that talked about their interview with the "Godfathers of Goth" Bauhaus. I instantly cringed at the blurb, but skipped forward to read the interview. Eventually, the question was asked: "what's it like being known as the Godfathers of Goth, Peter?" To this, Peter Murphy responded something to the effect of how they laughed about that idea. They never set out to creat a "Goth Movement" and they don't consider themselves a part of it. Maybe someone has read/seen something to the contrary, but Murphy went up a few more notches in my book that day. -jim Saepe ne utile quidem est scire quid futurum sit. >From: "Cliff and Kara Livingston" >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >To: >Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Gothmas >Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:20:20 -0900 > >Bring us some figgy pudding ! ! ! > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "peter.west410" >To: >Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 11:09 AM >Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Goth > > > > Am i the only envious one? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Robinson" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 9:00 PM > > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Goth > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Actually I was watching ITV (UK) news the other night > > > >and it said the government had released a report that > > > >says this generation of British teens is the first > > > >to be likely to NOT outlive their parents due to > > > >being overweight, underexercised, drinking, drugging, > > > >and having sex with zillions of partners before they > > > >hit 16. And beyond > > > > > > > I think it's just cause they all little fat baskits. Still you have to > > > feel sorry for them, when a big pair of trousers appears to define the > > > entirty of "Youth Culture". Now I'm getting on a bit, but shouldn't I > > > be finding modern music weird and frighting, not bland and inoffence > > > varients of music that was popular 20 odd years ago? > > > > > > Bah, humbug etc etc. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gathering mailing list > > > Gathering@misera.net > > ; > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C3CC0A.89918320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Neither the Bau, Siouxsie or Death Cult / The Cult = are into the=20 goth tag, eventhough they all influenced goth massively at certain = periods of=20 their respective outpourings. You can't beat the originals=20 ;)
 
Not=20 dissing goth though (as I have in the past :) - I'm a big fan of = where it=20 all came from & love the Neph (but not much else). I'd much rather = listen to=20 Bauhaus than the Sisters, so I prefer the darker stuff in general. IMO = late 70's=20 / early 80's was an incredible time for 'alternative' music of all=20 sorts!
-----Original Message-----
From: = gathering-admin@misera.net=20 [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of Dammit=20 Bleep
Sent: 26 December 2003 23:29
To:=20 gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] OT:=20 Gothmas

Since someone brought up "GOTH", I have to share this:

 

A few years ago while in a bookstore, I nabbed some music mag that = talked=20 about their interview with the "Godfathers of Goth" Bauhaus. I = instantly=20 cringed at the blurb, but skipped forward to read the interview.

Eventually, the question was asked: "what's it like being known as = the=20 Godfathers of Goth, Peter?" To this, Peter Murphy responded something = to the=20 effect of how they laughed about that idea. They never set out to = creat a=20 "Goth Movement" and they don't consider themselves a part of it.

Maybe someone has read/seen something to the contrary, but Murphy = went up a=20 few more notches in my book that day.

-jim



 




Saepe ne utile quidem est scire quid futurum sit. >From: = "Cliff and=20 Kara Livingston" >Reply-To: = gathering@misera.net=20 >To: >Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Gothmas = >Date: Fri,=20 26 Dec 2003 11:20:20 -0900 > >Bring us some figgy pudding ! ! ! = >=20 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "peter.west410"=20 >To: >Sent: = Friday,=20 December 26, 2003 11:09 AM >Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Goth > > = > >=20 Am i the only envious one? > > > > > > ----- = Original=20 Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Robinson"=20 > > To:=20 > > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 9:00 = PM >=20 > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Goth > > > > > > > = > >=20 > > > > >Actually I was watching ITV (UK) news the = other night=20 > > > >and it said the government had released a report = that >=20 > > >says this generation of British teens is the first > = >=20 > >to be likely to NOT outlive their parents due to > > = >=20 >being overweight, underexercised, drinking, drugging, > > = >=20 >and having sex with zillions of partners before they > > = >=20 >hit 16. And beyond > > > > > > > I think it's = just=20 cause they all little fat baskits. Still you have to > > > = feel sorry=20 for them, when a big pair of trousers appears to define the > > = >=20 entirty of "Youth Culture". Now I'm getting on a bit, but shouldn't I = >=20 > > be finding modern music weird and frighting, not bland and = inoffence=20 > > > varients of music that was popular 20 odd years ago? = > >=20 > > > > Bah, humbug etc etc. > > > > > > = >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > = >=20 Gathering mailing list > > > Gathering@misera.net > > ; = >=20 http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > = > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > = Gathering=20 mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > >=20 http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > = >=20 >_______________________________________________ >Gathering = mailing list=20 >Gathering@misera.net=20 >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering =
Check your PC for = viruses with=20 the FREE McAfee online computer scan.=20 _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list = Gathering@misera.net = http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering=20
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C3CC0A.89918320-- From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 27 00:33:31 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (sade1) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 16:33:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] OT: Gothmas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031227003331.58275.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> --- Dammit Bleep wrote: the question was asked: "what's it like being known as the Godfathers of Goth, Peter?" To this, Peter Murphy responded something to the effect of how they laughed about that idea. They never set out to creat a "Goth Movement" and they don't consider themselves a part of it. Maybe someone has read/seen something to the contrary, Yep, agree. I'read an interview (online methinkx) with PM where he clearly says he/they never considered themselves "Goths" or their music as gloomy, but rather, they wanted to sound happier, or positive, or something, and more along the lines of Bowie et al. Happy new years alles, n' hoffentlich another KJ tour, n' thankx to AnIrratDom.net for that full Geordie write-up. Jaz needs to shut up more and let Geordie talk. I liked his humor and directness on things--Atkins, Jaz, disco/dub, etc. Saul ===== "Sing in key, you f-----' goth," ----Geordie to Jaz, Pax Obiscum __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 27 11:43:03 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 11:43:03 -0000 Subject: [kj] OT: Gothmas References: <200312192200.hBJM05gS012804@basil.jkm.net> <3FE4B874.9030202@robinsonworld.freeserve.co.uk> <000801c3cbec$2455a9a0$e6ccff3e@yourby3nr533ht> <02f201c3cbed$b782dbc0$ab8a70d1@antifrz> Message-ID: <000801c3cc6e$9dbcf0a0$3a48ff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Alan partridge in a palm treeeeeeeeee A--- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff and Kara Livingston" To: Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Gothmas > Bring us some figgy pudding ! ! ! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter.west410" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 11:09 AM > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Goth > > > > Am i the only envious one? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Robinson" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 9:00 PM > > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Goth > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Actually I was watching ITV (UK) news the other night > > > >and it said the government had released a report that > > > >says this generation of British teens is the first > > > >to be likely to NOT outlive their parents due to > > > >being overweight, underexercised, drinking, drugging, > > > >and having sex with zillions of partners before they > > > >hit 16. And beyond > > > > > > > I think it's just cause they all little fat baskits. Still you have to > > > feel sorry for them, when a big pair of trousers appears to define the > > > entirty of "Youth Culture". Now I'm getting on a bit, but shouldn't I > > > be finding modern music weird and frighting, not bland and inoffence > > > varients of music that was popular 20 odd years ago? > > > > > > Bah, humbug etc etc. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gathering mailing list > > > Gathering@misera.net > > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 27 16:12:06 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:12:06 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT:Seth's birthday Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3155364728_12474013 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Shit, my oldest son turns 6 years old in about an hour. Damn they grow up too fast. Seems like yesterday he was my little 5 pound baby boy. Now he is kicked back, with his Gameboy, listening to Pandemonium and Rob Moss=B9 band. Anyway, just me breaking away from family for a sec to spout off about how much it sucks to see the kids grow up so damn fast. Hope all of you guys had a good holiday, got some cool shit, stayed intoxicated, got laid, and gearing up for the Joke in 2004. Cheers, and als= o happy birthday to my baby boy, Seth... Joe in hot assed TexASS...completely devoid of the concept of seasons.... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3155364728_12474013 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable OT:Seth's birthday Shit, my oldest son tur= ns 6 years old in about an hour. Damn they grow up too fast. Seems like yest= erday he was my little 5 pound baby boy. Now he is kicked back, with his Gam= eboy, listening to Pandemonium and Rob Moss’ band.

Anyway, just me breaking away from family for a sec to spout off about how = much it sucks to see the kids grow up so damn fast.

Hope all of you guys had a good holiday, got some cool shit, stayed intoxic= ated, got laid, and gearing up for the Joke in 2004. Cheers, and also happy = birthday to my baby boy, Seth...


Joe in hot assed TexASS...completely devoid of the concept of seasons....


KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?" --B_3155364728_12474013-- From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 27 19:42:58 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:42:58 +0000 Subject: [kj] rob moss' band Message-ID: --============_-1139568312==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Shit, my oldest son turns 6 years old in about an hour. Damn they grow up too fast. Seems like yesterday he was my little 5 pound baby boy. Now he is kicked back, with his Gameboy, listening to Pandemonium and Rob Moss' band. that's good news, the marketing department at malicious damage has been agonising for weeks over what age group we're aiming for with those chaps... -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk --============_-1139568312==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" rob moss' band
Shit, my oldest son turns 6 years old in about an hour. Damn they grow up too fast. Seems like yesterday he was my little 5 pound baby boy. Now he is kicked back, with his Gameboy, listening to Pandemonium and Rob Moss' band.

that's good news, the marketing department at malicious damage has been agonising for weeks over what age group we're aiming for with those chaps...
--
Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk
... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk
--============_-1139568312==_ma============-- From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 27 20:04:25 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 14:04:25 -0600 Subject: [kj] rob moss' band In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3155378665_13260266 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, Headcount seems to be popular with the 10 and under market. Funny, it=B9s the ones just past the =B3I love you, you love me=B2 Barney fans. I hear some of the tracks are good to =B3jump on the bed=B2 to. On 12/27/03 1:42 PM, "mike coles" wrote: > Shit, my oldest son turns 6 years old in about an hour. Damn they grow up= too > fast. Seems like yesterday he was my little 5 pound baby boy. Now he is k= icked > back, with his Gameboy, listening to Pandemonium and Rob Moss' band. >=20 > that's good news, the marketing department at malicious damage has been > agonising for weeks over what age group we're aiming for with those chaps= ... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" --B_3155378665_13260266 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] rob moss' band Yeah, Headcount seems t= o be popular with the 10 and under market. Funny, it’s the ones just p= ast the “I love you, you love me” Barney fans. I hear some of th= e tracks are good to “jump on the bed” to.

On 12/27/03 1:42 PM, "mike coles" <mike@maliciousdamage.co.uk&= gt; wrote:

Shit, my oldest son turns 6 years old in about an h= our. Damn they grow up too fast. Seems like yesterday he was my little 5 pou= nd baby boy. Now he is kicked back, with his Gameboy, listening to Pandemoni= um and Rob Moss' band.

that's good news, the marketing department at malicious damage has been ago= nising for weeks over what age group we're aiming for with those chaps...


KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM

There is no place like 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows o= r Gates?"
 --B_3155378665_13260266-- From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 27 20:33:28 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:33:28 -0000 Subject: [kj] OT:Seth's birthday References: Message-ID: <000c01c3ccb8$b5b89ed0$566cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3CCB8.AF360E30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OT:Seth's birthdayCongratulations jester, for "getting laid".But ,to be = quite honest, I did nt really want to know. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jester=20 To: Gathering=20 Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 4:12 PM Subject: [kj] OT:Seth's birthday Shit, my oldest son turns 6 years old in about an hour. Damn they grow = up too fast. Seems like yesterday he was my little 5 pound baby boy. Now = he is kicked back, with his Gameboy, listening to Pandemonium and Rob = Moss' band.=20 Anyway, just me breaking away from family for a sec to spout off about = how much it sucks to see the kids grow up so damn fast. Hope all of you guys had a good holiday, got some cool shit, stayed = intoxicated, got laid, and gearing up for the Joke in 2004. Cheers, and = also happy birthday to my baby boy, Seth... Joe in hot assed TexASS...completely devoid of the concept of = seasons.... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!=20 OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows = or Gates?"=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3CCB8.AF360E30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OT:Seth's birthday
Congratulations jester, for "getting = laid".But ,to=20 be quite honest, I did nt really want to know.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jester
Sent: Saturday, December 27, = 2003 4:12=20 PM
Subject: [kj] OT:Seth's = birthday

Shit, my=20 oldest son turns 6 years old in about an hour. Damn they grow up too = fast.=20 Seems like yesterday he was my little 5 pound baby boy. Now he is = kicked back,=20 with his Gameboy, listening to Pandemonium and Rob Moss=92 band. =

Anyway,=20 just me breaking away from family for a sec to spout off about how = much it=20 sucks to see the kids grow up so damn fast.

Hope all of you = guys had a=20 good holiday, got some cool shit, stayed intoxicated, got laid, and = gearing up=20 for the Joke in 2004. Cheers, and also happy birthday to my baby boy,=20 Seth...


Joe in hot assed TexASS...completely devoid of the = concept=20 of seasons....



KEEPING THE FIRE=20 ALIVE WITH HONOUR!
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER, =
JESTER=20
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM =

There is = no place like=20 127.0.0.1

"In a world without walls or fences, what use do we = have for=20 Windows or Gates?" ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3CCB8.AF360E30-- From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 27 21:11:39 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 15:11:39 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] OT:Seth's birthday In-Reply-To: <000c01c3ccb8$b5b89ed0$566cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> from "peter.west410" at Dec 27, 2003 08:33:28 PM Message-ID: <200312272111.hBRLBdKd016074@basil.jkm.net> > Shit, my oldest son turns 6 years old in about an hour. Damn they grow up too fast. Seems like yesterday he was my little 5 pound baby boy. Now he is kicked back, with his Gameboy, listening to Pandemonium and Rob Moss' band. If you were a bird, I'd say you wanted another baby ;-) :-P --Amy, mum to an 11-year-old and a four-year-old so I know what you're talking about! From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 27 21:40:49 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 21:40:49 -0000 Subject: [kj] Hollywood Babylon on Blubster Message-ID: <000f01c3ccc2$1e87e4d0$566cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3CCC2.17D829B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If anyones on blubster,Hollywood babylon by killing jokeis available to = download ,Acually at the moment theres quite a few killing joke,songs to = download for free. They dont usally stay there for long ,so get em while = you can. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3CCC2.17D829B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If anyones on blubster,Hollywood = babylon by killing jokeis available to download = ,Acually at the=20 moment theres quite a few killing = joke,songs to download for free. They dont usally stay there = for long ,so=20 get em while you can.
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3CCC2.17D829B0-- From gathering@misera.net Sat Dec 27 22:35:22 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (P) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:35:22 +0100 Subject: [kj] London 4th or 5th January? In-Reply-To: <000f01c3ccc2$1e87e4d0$566cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: Hi all, as it was announced previously I gonna be in London and I will have a pleasure to meet couple of gatherers while being there. meeting place was already chosen (helped by closure of Brixton tube station), it is: Freemasons Arms in Covent Garden Now it is needed to choose a day and time... - Sunday 4th or Monday 5th January? and what time? - Graham is available since 7pm. is it OK, or shall we agree earlier time since the pubs are closing soon in London? let us know... PAVEL From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 28 04:53:43 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:53:43 EST Subject: [kj] gathering...my half a sixpence worth Message-ID: <1ed.165ae9f8.2d1fbbd7@aol.com> --part1_1ed.165ae9f8.2d1fbbd7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en after much thought (?) I'm going to say let's meet from 17:00 on the Monday=20 and make formal dress optional graham --part1_1ed.165ae9f8.2d1fbbd7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en after much thought (?) I'm going to say let's meet fr= om 17:00 on the Monday and make formal dress optional

graham --part1_1ed.165ae9f8.2d1fbbd7_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 28 05:40:32 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (D G) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 21:40:32 -0800 Subject: [kj] Hollywood Babylon on Blubster In-Reply-To: <000f01c3ccc2$1e87e4d0$566cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: <001001c3cd05$1c23baa0$11effea9@halbermensch> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3CCC2.0E020140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does Blubster have spyware/adware in it? damebo =20 -----Original Message----- From: gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of peter.west410 Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 13:41 To: gathering@misera.net Subject: [kj] Hollywood Babylon on Blubster =20 If anyones on blubster,Hollywood babylon by killing jokeis available to download ,Acually at the moment theres quite a few killing joke,songs to download for free. They dont usally stay there for long ,so get em while = you can. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3CCC2.0E020140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Does Blubster have spyware/adware = in it? damebo

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: = gathering-admin@misera.net [mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] On Behalf Of peter.west410
Sent: Saturday, December = 27, 2003 13:41
To: = gathering@misera.net
Subject: [kj] Hollywood = Babylon on Blubster

 

If anyones on = blubster,Hollywood babylon by killing = jokeis available to download ,Acually at the moment theres quite a few = killing joke,songs to download for free. They dont usally stay = there for long ,so get em while you can.

------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C3CCC2.0E020140-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 28 07:24:08 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Chris Kilmister) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:24:08 +1300 Subject: [kj] A late End Of Year Poll Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20031228202408.014c85d8@pop.ihug.co.nz> Hi All. Thought I'd do this Poll for fun. I've been away for awhile so I've hundreds of Emails to catch up with ( Especially Gathering ones ) Ok Here Goes: 1) Your Name: Krys Kilmister ( Yeah I am related to that asshole Lemmy of Motorhead - No Shit) 2) Your Age: SO' 35 3) Are you married and have you any children?: Yes, My wife is from Ukraine , No Kids yet. 4) I live here: Auckland , New Zealand 5) I've been a member of the Gathering since: 2001 6) What do you want for X-mas? : A couple of weeks holiday would be a great start. I'm working thru Christmas. Blah!!! 7) Your biggest extravagance of the year? : About 3000 dollars worth of Live New Order Gigs on various formats. 8) Your biggest hopes for 2004? : Get out of this brainless country for a holiday 9) What was the last album you bought,why, and how is it?: New Order - Live Tolworth Recreation Centre 1983. Because I love New Order Live. They have alot of Character. It's a great gig. 10) Not including the new Killing Joke album, what were your top five favorite releases of the year? : Who says the new Killing Joke Lp is on my list!! ( actually it is a really great album ) Ok. The Cure - Triology, Killing Joke - Unperverted Pantomine, Janes Addiction - Strays, New Order - Finsbury Park.... that's the only new stuff I bought. Well I gotta include Death and Ressurection. Thats 5. 11) What live bands have you seen recently. Did they rate? Nope, Ain't seen squat!! This is NZ. Queens Of The Stone Age are coming next month but I'm low on Cash. 12) Worst music you heard all year: Any commercial radio Shit. Also any soft cock rock and eminem type wigga music - hate that shit!!!! 13) If I find out that the person I'm talking to is a big fan of Robbie Williams, I'd lose all interest in talking to them (note: your answer need not be restricted to music) Also any brainless libearal CUNT that thinks Saddam Hussain should be spared. 14) Band(s) most in need of reforming/touring/releasing new material: Come on New Order - Hurry and release your new Album and start Touring again! 15) Band(s) most in need of hanging it up and calling it a day: Well Michael Jackson seems pretty fucked these days - or he soon will be - Literally! 16) Albums most in need of re-mastering and re-release deluxe stylee: Don't really care. 17) Most overrated music of the year: Coldplay- Who gives a fuck man!!! 18) Most underrated music of the year: Any up and coming band that's better than commercial bullshit on the radio 19) Next to Killing Joke, my top five favorite bands/artists are: New Order, Front Line Assembly, The Cure , New Model Army , Wall Of Voodoo. 20) Express your views on Killing Joke's presence on the Internet: Really good. Plenty of Info available, largely thanx to members in The Gathering. 22) Regarding the Joke, despite all the rumormongering, I'd really like the following to happen: Tour New Zealand.......PLEASE 23) Did you get to see Killing Joke on this tour? If so, briefly explain your reaction No - Jaz forgot his new country of inhabitance!! - Don't blame him!! 24) What would you have rather seen on the album cover, other than the red Krusty Clown? A swastika?????? 25) Favorite track on the new album: I like all of them ( Fence sitter ) 26) Least favorite track on the new album: As above 27) Were it up to you to have chosen the first single, it would have been: House That Pain Built. 28) Have you managed to see "the Year of the Devil" as yet? Your thoughts? Who?????? 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record? With the result of the last album : status Quo. 30) Killing Joke track that best sums up the world today: That's fucking Easy THE BEAUTIFUL DEAD - most people are brainless cunts. 31) Have you bought anything from Malicious Damage yet? If not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Ahh do you have the Clock??? 32) Goods you'd like to see made available on Mike Coles estimable site? Bootlegs?? 33) Following the 2004 Elections, I'd like to see this man in the White House: All Politicians are cunts so it doesn't matter does it!! 34) Do you feel 'safer' now that Saddam Hussein has been apprehended? Nope. There's plenty more fuckers like him on the planet. 35) Now that he's in custody, I would handle Saddam this way: Fuck, I knew this question would be in this!!!!! Well we should invite him to seek asylum in good old liberal New Zealand. I'm sure our far left fucked up socialist government would welcome the opportunity. No WAy!!! Kill the fucker there is NO room for compassion. And fuck all you soft cock liberals out there that sympathise with him you are supporting a tyrant and that makes you guilty too!!!!!! 36) Where is Osama Bin Laden: Waiting for another opportunity to fuck somebody else over 37) Have we seen the last of terrorism courtesy of Islamists on the homefront (US/UK/EUR)? Oh yes of course, the world is just wonderful and Jesus is returning soon too!! 38) Do you feel prepared for another such instance? : It's pretty quiet in New Zealand. Only the Maoris cause shit here.....however I am armed if necessary ( not that it will do any good ) 39) Do you think Iraq had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001? It's hard to say. Who knows what goes on behind closed doors. 40) Where were you/what were you doing on that day? Auckland. Working. 41) Were you the next American president, your first act in office would be: um yeah 42) Tony Blair is a: another fucking politician 43) They want replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt's face on the American Dime with the face of Ronald Reagan. What is your reaction: How about Snoopy Dog Doop, Well that's the fuckin trend these days isn't it 45) Under which American administration was the world/your own situation better off: Bush's or Clinton's? Fuck the American Government. They are just a lesser evil. From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 28 09:48:12 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (ade) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 09:48:12 -0000 Subject: [kj] A late End Of Year Poll In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20031228202408.014c85d8@pop.ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: <003101c3cd27$b61a4760$0200a8c0@thelab.local> 1) Your Name: Krys Kilmister ( Yeah I am related to that asshole Lemmy of Motorhead - No Shit) We're not worthy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 28 11:06:20 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:06:20 -0000 Subject: [kj] gathering...my half a sixpence worth References: <1ed.165ae9f8.2d1fbbd7@aol.com> Message-ID: <001001c3cd32$aa62b3c0$2fccff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C3CD32.9F929AF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mon 5 th,All the washed will be back at work,Leaving only the = unwashed,layabout, demonstrators free to attend. Sunday any good.! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mohomadom@aol.com=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 4:53 AM Subject: [kj] gathering...my half a sixpence worth after much thought (?) I'm going to say let's meet from 17:00 on the = Monday and make formal dress optional graham=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C3CD32.9F929AF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Mon 5 th,All the washed will be back at = work,Leaving only the unwashed,layabout, demonstrators free to=20 attend.
  Sunday any good.!
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mohomadom@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 = 4:53=20 AM
Subject: [kj] gathering...my = half a=20 sixpence worth

after much thought (?) I'm going to say = let's meet=20 from 17:00 on the Monday and make formal dress = optional

graham=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C3CD32.9F929AF0-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 28 12:45:17 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dave Axford) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 07:45:17 -0500 Subject: [kj] End of year poll (abridged) Message-ID: <008701c3cd40$72a31fc0$826f8a3f@Joker> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C3CD16.899FC630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the next Killing Joke record?=20 Lou Reed. At least it would be all about careful setup in the studio = ("live") and not fixing it in the mix. Besides, something tells me that = as different sounding as they can be, Lou and Geordie just might click. Dave ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C3CD16.899FC630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
29) Outside of Andy Gill, who would you like to see produce the=20 next
Killing Joke record?
 
Lou Reed. At least it = would be all=20 about careful setup in the studio ("live") and not fixing it in the = mix.=20 Besides, something tells me that as different sounding as they can be, = Lou and=20 Geordie just might click.
 
Dave
------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C3CD16.899FC630-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 28 13:07:24 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (ade) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:07:24 -0000 Subject: [kj] End of year poll (abridged) In-Reply-To: <008701c3cd40$72a31fc0$826f8a3f@Joker> Message-ID: <003701c3cd43$898789d0$0200a8c0@thelab.local> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C3CD43.898789D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lou Reed. At least it would be all about careful setup in the studio ("live") and not fixing it in the mix. The curse of modern technology! ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C3CD43.898789D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lou Reed. = At least it=20 would be all about careful setup in the studio ("live") and not = fixing it in the = mix. 
The curse of modern=20 technology!
------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C3CD43.898789D0-- From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 28 15:32:23 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Stephen Robinson) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 15:32:23 +0000 Subject: [kj] Crimble pressie? In-Reply-To: <003601c3cb8e$b8c33020$ab8a70d1@antifrz> References: <20031223161921.76968.qmail@web25004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <003601c3cb8e$b8c33020$ab8a70d1@antifrz> Message-ID: <3FEEF787.8040901@robinsonworld.freeserve.co.uk> *Anyone want a copy of the orginal Millenium "telecine" promo video (version 1 with Blood oohh!). I'm having a clear out, so its' Free, although only to people in the UK, cause of postage costs, and the whole PAL/NTSC/secam business. Stephen R * From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 28 16:43:23 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bob Barathy) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:43:23 -0000 Subject: [kj] Crimble pressie? In-Reply-To: <3FEEF787.8040901@robinsonworld.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: *Anyone want a copy of the orginal Millenium "telecine" promo video (version 1 with Blood oohh!). yes please and I'll cover postage etc. if you let me know how much. Regards, Bob From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 28 16:49:49 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Stephen Robinson) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:49:49 +0000 Subject: [kj] Crimble pressie? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FEF09AD.6060407@robinsonworld.freeserve.co.uk> S'already gone! Bob Barathy wrote: >*Anyone want a copy of the orginal Millenium "telecine" promo video >(version 1 with Blood oohh!). > >yes please and I'll cover postage etc. if you let me know how much. > >Regards, > >Bob >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 28 16:58:26 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Rob's Arse) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 08:58:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] rob moss' band Message-ID: <20031228165826.B6CFF3985@sitemail.everyone.net> We are popular with the under 10 market because the band (collectively) has= the mental age of the average 10 year old. By the way, the new album will be recorded very soon and we will get sublim= inal messages in there Joe that tell your kids to take a dump in your shoes! Colesy - I'll give you a call soon to chat! --- Jester wrote: Yeah, Headcount seems to be popular with the 10 and under market. Funny, it=C2=B9s the ones just past the =C2=B3I love you, you love me=C2=B2 Barney= fans. I hear some of the tracks are good to =C2=B3jump on the bed=C2=B2 to. On 12/27/03 1:42 PM, "mike coles" wrote: > Shit, my oldest son turns 6 years old in about an hour. Damn they grow up= too > fast. Seems like yesterday he was my little 5 pound baby boy. Now he is k= icked > back, with his Gameboy, listening to Pandemonium and Rob Moss' band. >=20 > that's good news, the marketing department at malicious damage has been > agonising for weeks over what age group we're aiming for with those chaps= ... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" _____________________________________________________________ Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of worldmap.com) From gathering@misera.net Sun Dec 28 21:57:25 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Christof hamille) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:57:25 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: Amy's request...The Damned Message-ID: Now see I saw the Damned again during the Fiendfest tour this summer and I thought Monty Oxymoron looked like the character in the movie Eat the Rich. Hair and all. I cannot remember his name but he was the one playing the piano while the lady was giving birth to Nosh's son in the restaurant chris >From: "Antoni Adamiak" >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >To: >Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Amy's request...The Damned >Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 19:04:16 -0000 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Shadforth, Jane E SUKOP-UOIT/42" >To: >Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:18 PM >Subject: [kj] OT: Amy's request... > >The Damned I saw a couple of times in May (Manchester & Liverpool), then >also at Glastonbury, then 3 times this month, (Bristol, Northampton, >London). This seems to have been a really good year for them, as not only >are they now selling out venues this month, but they now seem to be >attracting youngsters into the fold, which has to be a good thing when so >many bands of their era are seeing diminishing attendances of a few old >punks. For a band who have had there up's & downs over the years, (and I >have seen them perform dismally on more than a few occasions), they seem to >really have it sorted at the moment & all the gigs I've seen this year have >been consistently blinding... They play a good mix of old favourites from >throughout their career, combined with a few songs from the current album, >and the atmosphere is always brilliant fun, and can be very lively. The >only >downside of the last 2 dates was Captain Sensible airing his Punk Aid >single, which whilst being for a very good cause, is not a good song... > >Antoni - anything to add from Saturday?? > >Yeah, it was really funny watching the keyboard player (Monty OxyMoron) >leaping about during the real old numbers as they had no keyboard parts in >them - the poor bloke looked like Nigel from Eastenders. At the end seeing >the inflatable Santa left discarded in the security pit was a bit sad, >resplendant with his "I Love The Clash" graffiti. Absolutely cracking gig. > >Regards, > >Antoni > >* http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * > > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local high-speed providers now. https://broadband.msn.com From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 29 07:21:42 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 08:21:42 +0100 Subject: [kj] gathering...my half a sixpence worth Message-ID: <43e6c14406f3.4406f343e6c1@iol.cz> then Monday 17=3A00 Freemasons Arms in Covent Garden is it suitable for all aiming to come=3F PAVEL ----- P=F9vodn=ED zpr=E1va ----- Od=3A Mohomadom=40aol=2Ecom Datum=3A ned=ECle=2C 28=2E prosince 2003 v 5=3A53 dop P=F8edm=ECt=3A =5Bkj=5D gathering=2E=2E=2Emy half a sixpence worth =3E after much thought (=3F) I=27m going to say = =3E let=27s meet from 17=3A00 on the Monday = =3E and make formal dress optional =3E = =3E graham =3E From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 29 08:30:10 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Marnick Buyl) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:30:10 +0100 Subject: [kj] Congratulations! Message-ID: Same for you Bo ! and all the others on the list... yeah, lokerse festival 08/08/03 : a day never to forget... greetz, marnick from brussels. >From: "Bo Krogsgaard" >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: [kj] Congratulations! >Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 16:36:54 +0100 > > >Christmas is OVER! Woohoo! > >All the best to everyone on the list, especially the gang from Lokerse and >the freaks from the webchat! > > >b >spending his days off with three crates of beer and a complete David Lynch >collection > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ Gratis e-mail ? http://www.msn.be/hotmail From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 29 12:43:18 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:43:18 +0000 Subject: [kj] too quiet... Message-ID: ...anyone awake? -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 29 12:47:57 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:47:57 +0100 Subject: [kj] too quiet... Message-ID: <47a77b47faa7.47faa747a77b@iol.cz> me awake... join chat: http://www.killing-joke.com/chat/ PAVEL From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 29 13:20:31 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:20:31 +0000 Subject: [kj] chat Message-ID: Sorry Pavel, I'm taking the family to see Lord of the Rings... cheers, colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 29 15:37:49 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bo Krogsgaard) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 16:37:49 +0100 Subject: [kj] Congratulations! / Brussels Gathering? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3FF0585D.14506.391E314@localhost> On 29 Dec 2003 at 9:30, Marnick Buyl wrote: > yeah, lokerse festival 08/08/03 : a day never to forget... Damn straight! Maybe i'll see you in February, a colleague of mine promised me a bar-trek in Brussels, if it happens you should hook up with us. If any other Jokers are in that area, let's plan a small Gathering in Brussels around mid February, eh? 08/08 .. best day of this year, for sure! b From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 29 15:54:44 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Matt) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 16:54:44 +0100 Subject: [kj] Congratulations! / Brussels Gathering? In-Reply-To: <3FF0585D.14506.391E314@localhost> Message-ID: Keep me posted, I'm always in for a couple of Belgium beers.... Matt > From: "Bo Krogsgaard" > Reply-To: gathering@misera.net > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 16:37:49 +0100 > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: RE: [kj] Congratulations! / Brussels Gathering? > > On 29 Dec 2003 at 9:30, Marnick Buyl wrote: > >> yeah, lokerse festival 08/08/03 : a day never to forget... > > Damn straight! Maybe i'll see you in February, a colleague of mine promised > me a bar-trek in Brussels, if it happens you should hook up with us. > > If any other Jokers are in that area, let's plan a small Gathering in Brussels > around mid February, eh? > > 08/08 .. best day of this year, for sure! > > > b > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 29 18:20:58 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Antoni Adamiak) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 18:20:58 -0000 Subject: [kj] gathering...my half a sixpence worth References: <43e6c14406f3.4406f343e6c1@iol.cz> Message-ID: <006101c3ce38$863952e0$5d5c08c3@mydomain.com> Yes Pavel, sounds good to me ... Regards, Antoni * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [kj] gathering...my half a sixpence worth then Monday 17:00 Freemasons Arms in Covent Garden is it suitable for all aiming to come? PAVEL ----- P?vodní zpráva ----- Od: Mohomadom@aol.com Datum: ned?le, 28. prosince 2003 v 5:53 dop P?edm?t: [kj] gathering...my half a sixpence worth > after much thought (?) I'm going to say > let's meet from 17:00 on the Monday > and make formal dress optional > > graham > _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 29 18:45:56 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Antoni Adamiak) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 18:45:56 -0000 Subject: [kj] Geordie interview in guitar mag Message-ID: <008301c3ce3b$ff8674e0$5d5c08c3@mydomain.com> As ever, from the message board : http://www.misera.net/gathering/board/messages/5860.html Posted by Stevo on December 29, 2003 at 06:36:06: (144.139.101.57) There's a superb interview with Geordie in this month's issue of UK's Total Guitar magazine (January 2004 issue), it's centered around his guitar playing but there's some great stuff related to KJ and all. Anyone else read this? And if so what did you think of the interview? ***************************** Sounds like a trip to go browsing in WH Smiths is in order. Regards, Antoni * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 29 19:40:25 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:40:25 EST Subject: [kj] Geordie interview in guitar mag Message-ID: <7e.44124fac.2d21dd29@aol.com> --part1_7e.44124fac.2d21dd29_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm still hunting that mag here in the States - no luck yet. I did find the other one (transcribed at irrationaldomain) and its well worth having for the photos and additional piece done on the ES-295 itself where again the authors have the good sense to namecheck Geordie as one of the primary exponents of its use. I am aghast that all the main American guitar mags have been totally asleep at the switch for the new KJ cd and tour. --part1_7e.44124fac.2d21dd29_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm still hunting that mag here in=20= the States - no luck yet.  I did find the other one (transcribed at irr= ationaldomain) and its well worth having for the photos and additional piece= done on the ES-295 itself where again the authors have the good sense to na= mecheck Geordie as one of the primary exponents of its use.  I am aghas= t that all the main American guitar mags have been totally asleep at the swi= tch for the new KJ cd and tour.  --part1_7e.44124fac.2d21dd29_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 29 20:58:06 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 15:58:06 -0500 Subject: [kj] !! Message-ID: <3FF04F0E.12644.31A58C@localhost> --Alt-Boundary-2024.3253644 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body geordie quote from guitar uk: "I don't want to retire any more, though. I'm going to play 'til I fucking drop." !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --Alt-Boundary-2024.3253644 Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body

geordie quote from guitar uk:

"I don't want to retire any more, though. I'm going to play 'til I fucking drop."


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--Alt-Boundary-2024.3253644-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 29 21:00:34 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Cliff and Kara Livingston) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:00:34 -0900 Subject: [kj] Chat till ya drop Message-ID: <005d01c3ce4e$d2170200$df8e70d1@antifrz> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C3CE03.5DBB8520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.killing-joke.com/chat ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C3CE03.5DBB8520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C3CE03.5DBB8520-- From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 29 22:23:43 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:23:43 -0500 Subject: [kj] gathering...my half a sixpence worth Message-ID: <08E0A08F.7AF6B404.0004DF86@aol.com> I'll be along a little later than that, but will definitely be there. Jamie > then Monday 17:00 Freemasons Arms in Covent Garden > > is it suitable for all aiming to come? > > PAVEL From gathering@misera.net Mon Dec 29 23:43:10 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 18:43:10 -0500 Subject: [kj] unspeakable Message-ID: <3FF075BE.4703.C8CC36@localhost> just popped unspeakable in the pooter, playing with real player - which proceeded to try and download info off the net about the disc and it, had success?! kinda strange to have a gathering produced project recognized by real player. From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 04:13:38 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:13:38 -0500 Subject: [kj] too quiet... Message-ID: <200312300413.hBU4DItu025924@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Just got back from Texas....wading through endless e-mails. Bizness as usual resuming soon. Next stop: getting new computer "repaired" (Ugh!) Alex Back in NYC ---------- >From: mike coles >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: [kj] too quiet... >Date: Mon, Dec 29, 2003, 7:43 AM > >...anyone awake? > >-- >Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk >... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 04:22:14 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:22:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: [kj] too quiet... In-Reply-To: <200312300413.hBU4DItu025924@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> from "Alex Smith" at Dec 29, 2003 11:13:38 PM Message-ID: <200312300422.hBU4MEVI004787@basil.jkm.net> > Just got back from Texas....wading through endless e-mails. Bizness as usual > resuming soon. Next stop: getting new computer "repaired" (Ugh!) Where did you visit? There are a few of us in Texas :-) From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 04:34:44 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:34:44 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: too quiet... Message-ID: <200312300435.hBU4Z9Of014506@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Well, for the most of it (Mon-Fri), I was in Houston. Then on Saturday morning, we packed up the whole fam-damily (Peggy has four sisters and a brother. Four of the sisters are married with several kids between them) and trucked off to a sort've ranch/bed'n'breakfast in Chappel Hill, Texas (which, I think, is somewhere betwee Houston and Austin). It was lovely, actually, but those fuckin' kids drive me nuts. There is a newish baby in the family (Peggy's sister Katie's) who is eleven months old, cute as hell and fun to hang out with (until she starts screaming her little head off), so that was kinda fun. Anyway, glad to be back home. Alex in NYC ---------- >From: amyr@jump.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] too quiet... >Date: Mon, Dec 29, 2003, 11:22 PM > >> Just got back from Texas....wading through endless e-mails. Bizness as usual >> resuming soon. Next stop: getting new computer "repaired" (Ugh!) > >Where did you visit? > >There are a few of us in Texas :-) >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 04:37:48 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alexi Hamilton) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 04:37:48 +0000 Subject: [kj] Crimble pressie? Message-ID:

Meee toooo....I'm very willing to pay postage and all players in my hacienda are compatible with about anything you can throw my way!  Let me know also.

Did you even think for a second that the US/Canada/South America and the rest of the world's Gatherers wouldn't be interrested?  You have opened a BIG can of worms, my friend...

~Alexi




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>From: "Bob Barathy"
>Reply-To: gathering@misera.net
>To:
>Subject: RE: [kj] Crimble pressie?
>Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:43:23 -0000
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>*Anyone want a copy of the orginal Millenium "telecine" promo video
>(version 1 with Blood oohh!).
>
>yes please and I'll cover postage etc. if you let me know how much.
>
>Regards,
>
>Bob
>_______________________________________________
>Gathering mailing list
>Gathering@misera.net
>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering

Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 04:50:21 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alexi Hamilton) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 04:50:21 +0000 Subject: [kj] OT: too quiet... Message-ID:

    Get used to it my friend...yours will scream just as loud as hers....but it'll be YOURS and that's okay.

~Alexi

It was lovely,

>actually, but those fuckin' kids drive me nuts. There is a newish baby in
>the family (Peggy's sister Katie's) who is eleven months old, cute as hell
>and fun to hang out with (until she starts screaming her little head off),
>so that was kinda fun.
>

Have fun customizing MSN Messenger — learn how here! From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 05:02:10 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bo Krogsgaard) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 06:02:10 +0100 Subject: [kj] Congratulations! / Brussels Gathering? In-Reply-To: References: <3FF0585D.14506.391E314@localhost> Message-ID: <3FF114E2.31473.6724C79@localhost> On 29 Dec 2003 at 16:54, Matt wrote: > Keep me posted, I'm always in for a couple of Belgium beers.... > Matt Stella, served at the front row? :) b From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 08:44:22 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Marnick Buyl) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 09:44:22 +0100 Subject: [kj] Congratulations! / Brussels Gathering? Message-ID: bo, matt, good idea for a little brussels gathering stella, jupiler, maes - never mind : it tastes ! ;-) i know myself some good pubs too in brussels so, i'm impatiently waiting for that date to come ! if anyone other on the list should be intrested : don't hesitate ! greetz to you all! >From: "Bo Krogsgaard" >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] Congratulations! / Brussels Gathering? >Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 06:02:10 +0100 > >On 29 Dec 2003 at 16:54, Matt wrote: > > > Keep me posted, I'm always in for a couple of Belgium beers.... > > Matt > >Stella, served at the front row? :) > > >b > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ De nieuwe Pirelli 2004 kalender al gezien? http://auto.msn.be/pirelli2004/ From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 09:23:32 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Bo Krogsgaard) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:23:32 +0100 Subject: [kj] Congratulations! / Brussels Gathering? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3FF15224.11634.7619526@localhost> On 30 Dec 2003 at 9:44, Marnick Buyl wrote: > stella, jupiler, maes - never mind : it tastes ! ;-) DUVEL! Don't make me call you Frenchie :) b From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 10:00:20 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (killed joke) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:00:20 +0000 Subject: [kj] test Message-ID: only a test _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 10:33:59 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:33:59 -0000 Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers Message-ID: <003201c3cec0$74dd9ff0$7348ff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C3CEC0.6F7B9A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Whilst watching the main news last night,A certain Mr Antoni adamiak = was featured in the second main news story. Not only was his name = mentioned but he was on film aswell (was that suit Armani or Versace?) Can anyone else top that ? ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C3CEC0.6F7B9A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Whilst watching the main news = last night,A=20 certain Mr  Antoni adamiak was featured in the second main news = story. Not=20 only was his name mentioned but he was on film aswell (was that suit = Armani or=20 Versace?)
      = Can anyone=20 else top that ?
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(was that suit Armani or Versace?)
I think he wears Boeing...
colesy
--
Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk
... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk
--============_-1139340312==_ma============-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 11:30:44 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Matt) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:30:44 +0100 Subject: [kj] Geordie interview in guitar mag In-Reply-To: <008301c3ce3b$ff8674e0$5d5c08c3@mydomain.com> Message-ID: Any chance for us non-UK Gatherers to read this (as in a scan of the) mentioned article...?! Matt > From: "Antoni Adamiak" > Reply-To: gathering@misera.net > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 18:45:56 -0000 > To: > Subject: [kj] Geordie interview in guitar mag > > As ever, from the message board : > > http://www.misera.net/gathering/board/messages/5860.html > > Posted by Stevo on December 29, 2003 at 06:36:06: (144.139.101.57) > > There's a superb interview with Geordie in this month's issue of UK's Total > Guitar magazine (January 2004 issue), it's centered around his guitar > playing but there's some great stuff related to KJ and all. Anyone else read > this? And if so what did you think of the interview? > > ***************************** > > Sounds like a trip to go browsing in WH Smiths is in order. > > Regards, > > Antoni > > * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 11:32:41 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:32:41 -0000 Subject: [kj] the suit References: Message-ID: <000a01c3cec8$a891e2e0$7348ff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3CEC8.A2C22780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the suitWhatever it was it was a big improvement on his previous one,The = one with all those big arrows on it. Anyway,Versace,Boeing,Armani,Its ,er ,All greek to me. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mike coles=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:02 AM Subject: [kj] the suit (was that suit Armani or Versace?) I think he wears Boeing... colesy --=20 Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3CEC8.A2C22780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the suit
Whatever it was it was a big = improvement on=20 his previous one,The one with all those big arrows on it.
  =20 Anyway,Versace,Boeing,Armani,Its ,er ,All greek to me.
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mike coles
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, = 2003 11:02=20 AM
Subject: [kj] the suit

(was that suit Armani = or=20 Versace?)
I think he wears Boeing...
colesy
--=20
Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.u= k
...=20 and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3CEC8.A2C22780-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 12:06:26 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Rob Cannell) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:06:26 -0000 Subject: [kj] Geordie interview in guitar mag References: Message-ID: <009c01c3cecd$59c36120$4d2b6851@y4e3r4> Mail me direct if you want the Total Guitar article and I'll send you a jpeg of it. Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [kj] Geordie interview in guitar mag > Any chance for us non-UK Gatherers to read this (as in a scan of the) > mentioned article...?! > Matt > > > > > From: "Antoni Adamiak" > > Reply-To: gathering@misera.net > > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 18:45:56 -0000 > > To: > > Subject: [kj] Geordie interview in guitar mag > > > > As ever, from the message board : > > > > http://www.misera.net/gathering/board/messages/5860.html > > > > Posted by Stevo on December 29, 2003 at 06:36:06: (144.139.101.57) > > > > There's a superb interview with Geordie in this month's issue of UK's Total > > Guitar magazine (January 2004 issue), it's centered around his guitar > > playing but there's some great stuff related to KJ and all. Anyone else read > > this? And if so what did you think of the interview? > > > > ***************************** > > > > Sounds like a trip to go browsing in WH Smiths is in order. > > > > Regards, > > > > Antoni > > > > * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 12:08:10 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:08:10 -0000 Subject: [kj] Geordie interview in guitar mag References: Message-ID: <000801c3cecd$a2a7cf70$0248ff3e@yourby3nr533ht> In Reply to: Geordie interview in guitar mag posted by Stevo on December 29, 2003 at 06:36:06: i think there is a transcript somewhere on www.killing-joke.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [kj] Geordie interview in guitar mag > Any chance for us non-UK Gatherers to read this (as in a scan of the) > mentioned article...?! > Matt > > > > > From: "Antoni Adamiak" > > Reply-To: gathering@misera.net > > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 18:45:56 -0000 > > To: > > Subject: [kj] Geordie interview in guitar mag > > > > As ever, from the message board : > > > > http://www.misera.net/gathering/board/messages/5860.html > > > > Posted by Stevo on December 29, 2003 at 06:36:06: (144.139.101.57) > > > > There's a superb interview with Geordie in this month's issue of UK's Total > > Guitar magazine (January 2004 issue), it's centered around his guitar > > playing but there's some great stuff related to KJ and all. Anyone else read > > this? And if so what did you think of the interview? > > > > ***************************** > > > > Sounds like a trip to go browsing in WH Smiths is in order. > > > > Regards, > > > > Antoni > > > > * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 16:54:47 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dave Axford) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:54:47 -0500 Subject: [kj] Way O.T. Shatner and Rollins?! Message-ID: <003301c3cef5$a3e180c0$826f8a3f@Joker> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C3CECB.B9525710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okay, I heard a rumour that Henry Rollins was recording with none other = than William Shatner for an upcoming release. Can anyone confirm or deny = this? It sounds too surreal to me... But then again Bill has always been = a Renaissance man http://www.coredp.com/corporate/founders/index.html Dave ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C3CECB.B9525710 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Okay, I heard a rumour that Henry Rollins was = recording=20 with none other than William Shatner for an upcoming release. Can anyone = confirm=20 or deny this? It sounds too surreal to me... But then again Bill has = always been=20 a Renaissance man http://www.c= oredp.com/corporate/founders/index.html
 
Dave
------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C3CECB.B9525710-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 17:05:54 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:05:54 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: too quiet... Message-ID: <200312301706.hBUH6IOf006435@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3155630754_24362_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I don't mind the screaming, somewhat surprisingly. Actually, when they firs= t start to get upset, it's sort've entertaining: the bottom lip juts out, the face reddens, the eyes turn into anguished little slits, and then that piercing, high octave wail. It's when they scream so hard that they sound like it's tuckering them out that's alarming (i.e. "what could it be that's making them THAT upset?") In any event, it seemed like good training. The other kids, however, (ages 5, 7, 9) could *NOT* have been worse-behaved (an= d I put ALL blame squarely on their parents, who are nice people but wouldn't know discipline if it smacked them right in the face). Anyway, we'll see. Alex in NYC ---------- From: "Alexi Hamilton" To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] OT: too quiet... Date: Mon, Dec 29, 2003, 11:50 PM Get used to it my friend...yours will scream just as loud as hers....bu= t it'll be YOURS and that's okay. ~Alexi It was lovely, >actually, but those fuckin' kids drive me nuts. There is a newish baby in >the family (Peggy's sister Katie's) who is eleven months old, cute as hell= >and fun to hang out with (until she starts screaming her little head off),= >so that was kinda fun. > Have fun customizing MSN Messenger =97 learn how here! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering --MS_Mac_OE_3155630754_24362_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] OT: too quiet...
I don't mind the screaming, somewhat surprisingly. Actually, when they firs= t start to get upset, it's sort've entertaining: the bottom lip juts out, th= e face reddens, the eyes turn into anguished little slits, and then that pie= rcing, high octave wail. It's when they scream so hard that they sound like = it's tuckering them out that's alarming (i.e. "what could it be that's = making them THAT upset?") In any event, it seemed like good training. T= he other kids, however, (ages 5, 7, 9) could *NOT* have been worse-behaved (= and I put ALL blame squarely on their parents, who are nice people but would= n't know discipline if it smacked them right in the face).

Anyway, we'll see.

Alex  in NYC


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From: "Alexi Hamilton" <alexih@hotmail.com>
To: gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: too quiet...
Date: Mon, Dec 29, 2003, 11:50 PM


    Get used to it my friend...yours will s= cream just as loud as hers....but it'll be YOURS and that's okay.

~Alexi

It was lovely,
>actually, but those fuckin' kids drive me nuts. There is a newish baby = in
>the family (Peggy's sister Katie's) who is eleven months old, cute as h= ell
>and fun to hang out with (until she starts screaming her little head of= f),
>so that was kinda fun.
>


 Have fun customizing MSN Messenger =97 learn how here!  <http://g.msn.com/8HMBENUS/2752??PS=3D>  = _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
--MS_Mac_OE_3155630754_24362_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 17:07:03 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:07:03 -0500 Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers Message-ID: <200312301706.hBUH6IOh006435@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3155630823_28513_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I was on a game show on Vh1 in 2001, and metioned Kiling Joke a couple of times. Oh, and won $4,600.00 . My brief brush with fame. Alex in NYC ---------- From: "peter.west410" To: Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers Date: Tue, Dec 30, 2003, 5:33 AM Whilst watching the main news last night,A certain Mr Antoni adamiak was featured in the second main news story. Not only was his name mentioned but he was on film aswell (was that suit Armani or Versace?) Can anyone else top that ? --MS_Mac_OE_3155630823_28513_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] Famous gatherers
I was on a game show on Vh1 in 2001, and metioned Kiling Joke a couple of t= imes. Oh, and won $4,600.00 . My brief brush with fame.

Alex in NYC


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From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers
Date: Tue, Dec 30, 2003, 5:33 AM


Whilst watching the main news last night,A certa= in Mr  Antoni adamiak was featured in the second main news story. Not o= nly was his name mentioned but he was on film aswell (was that suit Armani o= r Versace?)
      Can anyone else top that ?

--MS_Mac_OE_3155630823_28513_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 17:32:09 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:32:09 -0500 Subject: [kj] Way O.T. Shatner and Rollins?! Message-ID: <200312301731.hBUHVmtu001398@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3155632329_119104_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sounds pretty daft if so. Speaking of Rollins, I just read "Broken Summers," his account of last year's semi-reuinon of Black Flag members (no Greg Ginn) in support of the West Memphis Three. There's the usual amount of "woe is me/I can't stand people/I'm here to do the work & die" sorta crap that he's been spewing out for twenty years now, but it's pretty entertaining all the same. If you were ever a fan of Black Flag, it's worth reading. Makes Greg Ginn look like a prize-winning tool. Alex in NYC ---------- From: "Dave Axford" To: Subject: [kj] Way O.T. Shatner and Rollins?! Date: Tue, Dec 30, 2003, 11:54 AM Okay, I heard a rumour that Henry Rollins was recording with none other than William Shatner for an upcoming release. Can anyone confirm or deny this? It sounds too surreal to me... But then again Bill has always been a Renaissance man http://www.coredp.com/corporate/founders/index.html Dave --MS_Mac_OE_3155632329_119104_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] Way O.T. Shatner and Rollins?!
Sounds pretty daft if so.

Speaking of Rollins, I just read "Broken Summers," his account of= last year's semi-reuinon of Black Flag members (no Greg Ginn) in support of= the West Memphis Three. There's the usual amount of "woe is me/I can't= stand people/I'm here to do the work & die" sorta crap that he's b= een spewing out for twenty years now, but it's pretty entertaining all the s= ame. If you were ever a fan of Black Flag, it's worth reading. Makes Greg Gi= nn look like a prize-winning tool.

Alex in NYC



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From: "Dave Axford" <daxford@rogers.com>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: [kj] Way O.T. Shatner and Rollins?!
Date: Tue, Dec 30, 2003, 11:54 AM


Okay, I heard a rumour that Henry Rollins was recording with no= ne other than William Shatner for an upcoming release. Can anyone confirm or= deny this? It sounds too surreal to me... But then again Bill has always be= en a Renaissance man http://www.coredp.com/corporat= e/founders/index.html <http://www.cor= edp.com/corporate/founders/index.html>
 
Dave

--MS_Mac_OE_3155632329_119104_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 18:18:45 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Djehuti111) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:18:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers In-Reply-To: <200312301706.hBUH6IOh006435@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20031230181845.82411.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com> I did a commercial (Alex can verify this) for Time/Life magazine. I played a "Tattooed and Pierced Bike Messenger Type". Aleph --- Alex Smith wrote: > > I was on a game show on Vh1 in 2001, and metioned > Kiling Joke a couple of > times. Oh, and won $4,600.00 . My brief brush with > fame. > > Alex in NYC > > > ---------- > From: "peter.west410" > To: > Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers > Date: Tue, Dec 30, 2003, 5:33 AM > > > Whilst watching the main news last night,A certain > Mr Antoni adamiak was > featured in the second main news story. Not only was > his name mentioned but > he was on film aswell (was that suit Armani or > Versace?) > Can anyone else top that ? > > ===== "The scene was wild and somewhat sinister. The darkness, the palms, the mountainous background, the silent lake below, the impenetrable canopy of space, studded with secretive and significant stars, formed a stupendous setting for the savage noise and blaze of the ceremony." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 18:27:42 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:27:42 +0100 Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers Message-ID: <5522cc55446c.55446c5522cc@iol.cz> I was in the Weakest Link (Czech version of it)=2E=2E=2E got kicked out i= n 4th round=2E I played the clever one=2E -)) And also appeared in couple of TV news shots=2E ----- P=F9vodn=ED zpr=E1va ----- Od=3A Djehuti111 =3Cdjehuti111=40yahoo=2Ecom=3E Datum=3A =FAter=FD=2C 30=2E prosince 2003 v 7=3A18 odp P=F8edm=ECt=3A Re=3A =5Bkj=5D Famous gatherers =3E = =3E I did a commercial (Alex can verify this) for =3E Time/Life magazine=2E =3E I played a =22Tattooed and Pierced Bike Messenger =3E Type=22=2E =3E = =3E Aleph =3E = =3E --- Alex Smith =3Cvassifer=40earthlink=2Enet=3E wrote=3A =3E =3E = =3E =3E I was on a game show on Vh1 in 2001=2C and = =3E metioned=3E Kiling Joke a couple of =3E =3E times=2E Oh=2C and won =244=2C600=2E00 =2E My brief = =3E brush with =3E =3E fame=2E =3E =3E = =3E =3E Alex in NYC =3E =3E = =3E =3E = =3E =3E ---------- =3E =3E From=3A =22peter=2Ewest410=22 = =3E =3Cpeter=2Ewest410=40ntlworld=2Ecom=3E=3E To=3A = =3E =3Cgathering=40misera=2Enet=3E=3E Subject=3A =5Bkj=5D Famous = =3E gatherers=3E Date=3A Tue=2C Dec 30=2C 2003=2C 5=3A33 AM =3E =3E = =3E =3E = =3E =3E Whilst watching the main news last night=2CA = =3E certain=3E Mr Antoni adamiak was =3E =3E featured in the second main news story=2E = =3E Not only was =3E =3E his name mentioned but =3E =3E he was on film aswell (was that suit = =3E Armani or =3E =3E Versace=3F) =3E =3E Can anyone else top that =3F =3E =3E = =3E =3E = =3E = =3E = =3E =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3E =22The scene was wild and somewhat sinister=2E The =3E darkness=2C the palms=2C the mountainous = =3E background=2C the =3E silent lake below=2C the impenetrable canopy = =3E of space=2C =3E studded with secretive and significant = =3E stars=2C formed a =3E stupendous setting for the savage noise and = =3E blaze of =3E the ceremony=2E=22 =3E = =3E =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F =3E Do you Yahoo!=3F =3E Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches = =3E of 2003 =3E http=3A//search=2Eyahoo=2Ecom/top2003 =3E =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F =3E Gathering mailing list =3E Gathering=40misera=2Enet =3E http=3A//four=2Epairlist=2Enet/mailman/listinfo/gathering =3E From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 18:34:08 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:34:08 +0000 Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers Message-ID: I was in a Status Quo video for ten seconds in 1981... ...sad old colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 18:53:58 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (KETRACEL WHITE) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:53:58 -0800 Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers References: Message-ID: I was in the "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video in 1990, or whatever year that was...wish I'd been wearing my Extremeties shirt in it...some poetic justice might've been had - or maybe not. -GC (awaiting a massive barrage of rotten projectiles) ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike coles" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 10:34 AM Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers > I was in a Status Quo video for ten seconds in 1981... > ...sad old colesy > -- > Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk > ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 20:12:10 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Stephen Robinson) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:12:10 +0000 Subject: [kj] Crimble pressie? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FF1DC1A.7010109@robinsonworld.freeserve.co.uk> > Meee toooo....I'm very willing to pay postage and all players in my > hacienda are compatible with about anything you can throw my way! Let > me know also. > First person who asked got it. You snooze you lose, or something. > Did you even think for a second that the US/Canada/South America and > the rest of the world's Gatherers wouldn't be interrested? You have > opened a BIG can of worms, my friend... > > ~Alexi > With a video that won't work on their players? Buy the VCD, and you'll get all of them! From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 20:18:15 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 15:18:15 -0500 Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers n brushes w/fame In-Reply-To: <20031230181845.82411.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200312301706.hBUH6IOh006435@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <3FF19737.8178.12C2EF2@localhost> many gigs in front of tens of thousands of people. 3 willie nelson's 4th of july picnic concerts. shared gigs/stage with: spyro gyra, charlie sexton, bo diddly, carl perkins, judy tenuta, freddy fender, dr. john, nrbq, willie nelson, royal crown revue, squirrel nut zippers, the paladins, wesley willis, donovan, big head todd n the monsters, clarence gatemouth brown, ronnie dawson, galactic, the meters, al dimeola, lyle lovett ...yadayada - yet never been on a bill with killing joke so who gives a fuck stars in the audience for bands i've been in: 60's english popster joe brown, renee zelleweger, duane eddy, mel brooks, trent reznor, johnny depp, the pretenders, carl perkins, mojo nixon, jello biafra, lee ving jimmy vaughan, bonnie raitt, paul leary, billy gibbons, reverend horton heat, sandra bullock, exene cervenka, tracy nelson, randall "tex" cobb ac/dc ( ac/dc hired my band to play an after concert party for them at a rented venue - my band traded sets with some strippers who judging f/ the reaction of angus and the boys, were the better act)! - yet never seen a joker in the pack...so who gives a fuck oh and my greasy bass slappin' likeness once featured on the cover of the major central texas newspaper, the Austin American Statesman. alas still just a old tattooed punk with a net worth under six figures so again, who gives a fuck. From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 20:17:54 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 15:17:54 EST Subject: [kj] Congratulations! / Brussels Gathering? Message-ID: <46.440f55fa.2d233772@aol.com> --part1_46.440f55fa.2d233772_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 29/12/03 21:04:41 Pacific Standard Time, t23@mother.brap.dk writes: > Stella, served at the front row? :) > > > Oi! Stella is my women! --part1_46.440f55fa.2d233772_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 29/12/03 21:04:4= 1 Pacific Standard Time, t23@mother.brap.dk writes:

Stella, served at the front row= ? :)




   Oi!  Stella is my women! --part1_46.440f55fa.2d233772_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 20:20:30 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 15:20:30 -0500 Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers Message-ID: <200312302020.hBUKHqOj029137@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Wow.....you were in the video? That's quite something to brag about. Not everyone can make that claim. Alex in NYC ---------- >From: "KETRACEL WHITE" >To: >Subject: Re: [kj] Famous gatherers >Date: Tue, Dec 30, 2003, 1:53 PM > >I was in the "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video in 1990, or whatever year that >was...wish I'd been wearing my Extremeties shirt in it...some poetic justice >might've been had - or maybe not. >-GC (awaiting a massive barrage of rotten projectiles) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "mike coles" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 10:34 AM >Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers > > >> I was in a Status Quo video for ten seconds in 1981... >> ...sad old colesy >> -- >> Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk >> ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk >> _______________________________________________ >> Gathering mailing list >> Gathering@misera.net >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >> >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 20:22:57 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 15:22:57 EST Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers Message-ID: <2f.43739d0a.2d2338a1@aol.com> --part1_2f.43739d0a.2d2338a1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 30/12/03 02:37:05 Pacific Standard Time, peter.west410@ntlworld.com writes: > > Can anyone else top that ? > Cant top that but whilst watching watching xmas tv ( sky etc ) i happened to watch an old episode of Minder ( yeah ok im sorry quite sad) and in one scene outside The Winchester Club a corrugated fence was adorned with the blessed words.....'Killing Joke' in red spray paint, certainly made my day. --part1_2f.43739d0a.2d2338a1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 30/12/03 02:37:0= 5 Pacific Standard Time, peter.west410@ntlworld.com writes:


     Can anyone else top that ?


    Cant top that but whilst watching watching xmas tv ( sky=20= etc ) i happened to watch an old episode of Minder ( yeah ok im sorry quite=20= sad) and in one scene outside The Winchester Club a corrugated fence was ado= rned with the blessed words.....'Killing Joke' in red spray paint, certainly= made my day. --part1_2f.43739d0a.2d2338a1_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 20:37:02 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 15:37:02 -0500 Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers/colesy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3FF19B9E.1276.13D6428@localhost> like to see that one for sure, imagine such a young long haired colesy groovin' > I was in a Status Quo video for ten seconds in 1981... > ...sad old colesy > -- > Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk > ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 20:41:07 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 15:41:07 EST Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers/colesy Message-ID: <183.245b1490.2d233ce3@aol.com> --part1_183.245b1490.2d233ce3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 30/12/03 12:38:17 Pacific Standard Time, fluwdot@earthlink.net writes: > long haired coles > > > Nah....hahahahahaa.....never surely? --part1_183.245b1490.2d233ce3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 30/12/03 12:38:1= 7 Pacific Standard Time, fluwdot@earthlink.net writes:

long haired coles


  Nah....hahahahahaa.....never surely? --part1_183.245b1490.2d233ce3_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 18:13:40 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Antoni Adamiak) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:13:40 -0000 Subject: [kj] the suit References: <000a01c3cec8$a891e2e0$7348ff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: <003001c3cf00$a79f7220$244f08c3@mydomain.com> Sadly, I think it was from M&S, the Italian collection. I'd bought it to wear at my dad's funeral the year before - little did I know how much use I'd be getting out it. As for the story, not sure what it was about (my mum caught a bit of the talking) - something about return of the outstanding bail money one presumes ... and pigs might fly ... * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter.west410" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [kj] the suit the suitWhatever it was it was a big improvement on his previous one,The one with all those big arrows on it. Anyway,Versace,Boeing,Armani,Its ,er ,All greek to me. ----- Original Message ----- From: mike coles To: gathering@misera.net Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:02 AM Subject: [kj] the suit (was that suit Armani or Versace?) I think he wears Boeing... colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 19:49:29 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:49:29 +0000 Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1072813769.3ff1d6c9ba391@www.boltblue.com> Bow before me for I was on "Cheggers Plays Pop" ;) -------------------------------------------------------------- Sent with "Me-Mail", Boltblue's FREE mobile messaging service. http://www.boltblue.com From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 20:34:20 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 15:34:20 -0500 Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers/smells like In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3FF19AFC.843.13AE992@localhost> say what one will about nirvana and their influence, regardless, popular culture is running with that video being a marker in pop music's highlights. pretty cool ketracel at what point/s can you be seen? > I was in the "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video in 1990, or whatever year that > was...wish I'd been wearing my Extremeties shirt in it...some poetic justice > might've been had - or maybe not. > -GC (awaiting a massive barrage of rotten projectiles) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mike coles" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 10:34 AM > Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers > > > > I was in a Status Quo video for ten seconds in 1981... > > ...sad old colesy > > -- > > Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk > > ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 20:19:32 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 15:19:32 -0500 Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers Message-ID: <200312302019.hBUKHqOh029137@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Mike....always wondered: did you include your own face on the DEMOCRACY sleeve somewhere (or on any other Joke release?) Alex in NYC ---------- >From: mike coles >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers >Date: Tue, Dec 30, 2003, 1:34 PM > >I was in a Status Quo video for ten seconds in 1981... >...sad old colesy >-- >Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk >... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 20:51:50 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (parasikon) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:51:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031230205150.50180.qmail@web20422.mail.yahoo.com> --0-491906708-1072817510=:50060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hmmph. Never got to be in a music video, but i was in the movie "Mississippi Firecracker" starring Holly Hunter and Tim Robbins.I was mostly there for the free rides and free food but it turned out they were all lies. KETRACEL WHITE wrote:I was in the "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video in 1990, or whatever year that was...wish I'd been wearing my Extremeties shirt in it...some poetic justice might've been had - or maybe not. -GC (awaiting a massive barrage of rotten projectiles) ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike coles" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 10:34 AM Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers > I was in a Status Quo video for ten seconds in 1981... > ...sad old colesy > -- > Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk > ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! 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Hmmph. Never got to be in a music video, but i was in the movie "Mississippi Firecracker" starring Holly Hunter and Tim Robbins.I was mostly there for the free rides and free food but it turned out they were all lies.

KETRACEL WHITE <ketracelwhite@hotmail.com> wrote:
I was in the "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video in 1990, or whatever year that
was...wish I'd been wearing my Extremeties shirt in it...some poetic justice
might've been had - or maybe not.
-GC (awaiting a massive barrage of rotten projectiles)

----- Original Message -----
From: "mike coles"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 10:34 AM
Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers


> I was in a Status Quo video for ten seconds in 1981...
> ...sad old colesy
> --
> Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk
> ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk
> _______________________________________________
> Gathering mailing list
> Gathering@misera.net
> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
>
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The director (Samuel Bayer) was a Dick & threatened to lose the entire audience if we didn't behave according to his instructions - so my friends & I left early, having not the slightest INKLING of how massive Nirvana was on the brink of becoming. We'd scene them at the Roxy a few weeks before, not realizing that the skinny, shirtless, long haired drummer was in actuality Dave Grohl - we'd thought that the old guy had just got very good...anyway, some casting director was there casting kids from the audience & I think I fit the "grunge" description back then; I was probably wearing cut off jeans & a flannel, I'm embarrassed to say... Anyway, we left early & went to see L7 at Raji's - which ended up being much more fun! Ahh the good ol' daze... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Smith" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [kj] Famous gatherers > > > Wow.....you were in the video? That's quite something to brag about. Not > everyone can make that claim. > > Alex in NYC > > > ---------- > >From: "KETRACEL WHITE" > >To: > >Subject: Re: [kj] Famous gatherers > >Date: Tue, Dec 30, 2003, 1:53 PM > > > > >I was in the "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video in 1990, or whatever year that > >was...wish I'd been wearing my Extremeties shirt in it...some poetic justice > >might've been had - or maybe not. > >-GC (awaiting a massive barrage of rotten projectiles) > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "mike coles" > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 10:34 AM > >Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers > > > > > >> I was in a Status Quo video for ten seconds in 1981... > >> ...sad old colesy > >> -- > >> Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk > >> ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Gathering mailing list > >> Gathering@misera.net > >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >Gathering mailing list > >Gathering@misera.net > >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 22:19:57 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 17:19:57 EST Subject: Fwd: [kj] Famous gatherers Message-ID: --part1_cc.26ae6a13.2d23540d_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cc.26ae6a13.2d23540d_alt_boundary" --part1_cc.26ae6a13.2d23540d_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found myself in a video footage of a late 80s Leyton Orient football match jumping up and down as the team had just scored.....sad i know!!! 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I found myself in a video footage of a late 80s Leyton Orient football match= jumping up and down as the team had just scored.....sad i know!!!


Dave
 --part1_cc.26ae6a13.2d23540d_alt_boundary-- --part1_cc.26ae6a13.2d23540d_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-xk06.mx.aol.com (rly-xk06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-xk01.mail.aol.com (v97.14) with ESMTP id MAILINXK11-7353ff1cb9180; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 14:01:51 -0500 Received: from four.pairlist.net (four.pairlist.net [216.92.1.120]) by rly-xk06.mx.aol.com (v97.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXK67-7353ff1cb9180; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 14:01:38 -0500 Received: from four.pairlist.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by four.pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BB28DAAC; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 14:01:34 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: gathering@four.pairlist.net Received: from mu.pair.com (mu.pair.com [209.68.1.23]) by four.pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F95FDAB0 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:59:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 72073 invoked by uid 7122); 30 Dec 2003 18:59:15 -0000 Delivered-To: misera-misera:net-gathering@misera.net Received: (qmail 72068 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 18:59:15 -0000 Received: from law9-oe59.law9.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.8.194) by mu.pair.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 18:59:15 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:58:44 -0800 Received: from 207.71.252.218 by law9-oe59.law9.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:58:44 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.71.252.218] X-Originating-Email: [ketracelwhite@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ketracelwhite@hotmail.com From: "KETRACEL WHITE" To: References: Subject: Re: [kj] Famous gatherers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2003 18:58:44.0534 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2B70560:01C3CF06] Sender: gathering-admin@misera.net Errors-To: gathering-admin@misera.net X-BeenThere: gathering@misera.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gathering@misera.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:53:58 -0800 X-AOL-IP: 216.92.1.120 I was in the "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video in 1990, or whatever year that was...wish I'd been wearing my Extremeties shirt in it...some poetic justice might've been had - or maybe not. -GC (awaiting a massive barrage of rotten projectiles) ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike coles" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 10:34 AM Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers > I was in a Status Quo video for ten seconds in 1981... > ...sad old colesy > -- > Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk > ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering --part1_cc.26ae6a13.2d23540d_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 22:21:20 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:21:20 -0000 Subject: [kj] gathering...my half a sixpence worth References: <08E0A08F.7AF6B404.0004DF86@aol.com> Message-ID: <000f01c3cf23$490c6560$376cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> As Im still in the Christmas spirit,If any of you lot, going on monday want a copy of the sunday Astoria concert,Let me know and i ll sort a copy out for you, and the only clause being , you must buy the official one ,If its ever released.As im working,I ll pass them on to someone. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [kj] gathering...my half a sixpence worth > I'll be along a little later than that, but will definitely be there. > > Jamie > > > then Monday 17:00 Freemasons Arms in Covent Garden > > > > is it suitable for all aiming to come? > > > > PAVEL > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 22:39:16 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 17:39:16 EST Subject: [kj] 2004 another year for the Joke Message-ID: <117.2d64a952.2d235894@aol.com> --part1_117.2d64a952.2d235894_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As tomorrow I am at work early , and am not sure when i shall be sitting in front of my pc, I will take this oppertunity to say 'Happy new year ' to all you Gatherers, ones Ive met during the past year, chatted to on the chat room, and ones I will no doubt meet up with at some stage. I also thought of an idea (one for Mr.colesy) to consider, doing a Gatherers t shirt etc, so that apart from the KJ shirts we all wear a gathering one might be an ideal spotting item! Any way fellow gatherers going to sign off for now, so hope you all have a good time tomorrow and keep the faith... Dave ..aka Deadliest nomad/Surfpunk. --part1_117.2d64a952.2d235894_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As tomorrow I am at work early , and am not sure when i shall be sitting in=20= front of my pc, I will take this oppertunity to say 'Happy new year ' to all= you Gatherers, ones Ive met during the past year, chatted to on the chat ro= om, and ones I will no doubt meet up with at some stage.

I also thought of an idea (one for Mr.colesy) to consider, doing a Gatherers= t shirt etc, so that apart from the KJ shirts we all wear a gathering one m= ight be an ideal spotting item!

Any way fellow gatherers going to sign off for now, so hope you all have&nbs= p; a good  time tomorrow and keep the faith...

Dave ..aka Deadliest nomad/Surfpunk.
 --part1_117.2d64a952.2d235894_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 23:02:50 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (fat potanga) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:02:50 +0000 Subject: [kj] the suit Message-ID: >Sadly, I think it was from M&S, the Italian collection. as is my one and only suit, bought for my wedding, but also works nicely for funerals =:¬) www.fatpotanga.co.uk www.iam-jam.com ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Antoni Adamiak" Reply-To: gathering@misera.net To: Subject: Re: [kj] the suit Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:13:40 -0000 Sadly, I think it was from M&S, the Italian collection. I'd bought it to wear at my dad's funeral the year before - little did I know how much use I'd be getting out it. As for the story, not sure what it was about (my mum caught a bit of the talking) - something about return of the outstanding bail money one presumes ... and pigs might fly ... * http://home.clara.net/antoni/ * ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter.west410" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [kj] the suit the suitWhatever it was it was a big improvement on his previous one,The one with all those big arrows on it. Anyway,Versace,Boeing,Armani,Its ,er ,All greek to me. ----- Original Message ----- From: mike coles To: gathering@misera.net Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:02 AM Subject: [kj] the suit (was that suit Armani or Versace?) I think he wears Boeing... colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 23:14:01 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:14:01 EST Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers n brushes w/fame Message-ID: <197.241cf01d.2d2360b9@aol.com> --part1_197.241cf01d.2d2360b9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh yeah well I used to drive a cab and had Mick Jones (Clash, BAD) as a customer in the cab. I didn't realize it was him (he was with the newer BAD who I didn't recognize) until he got out of the back and paid. He was kind of shy but nice and gave a good tip. Also met Joe Strummer (i.e, Jesus Christ) at a record store signing--very nice to the fans. Oh, and I met Jaz and Geordie at another record store signing in '94. They yelled at me when I told them I was an athiest. Jaz screamed, "So you think a living body and I dead body are the saaaame?" I was pretty confused. --part1_197.241cf01d.2d2360b9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh yeah well I used to drive a cab=20= and had Mick Jones (Clash, BAD) as a customer in the cab. I didn't realize i= t was him (he was with the newer BAD who I didn't recognize) until he got ou= t of the back and paid. He was kind of shy but nice and gave a good tip. Als= o met Joe Strummer (i.e, Jesus Christ) at a record store signing--very nice=20= to the fans.
Oh, and I met Jaz and Geordie at another record store signing in '94. They y= elled at me when I told them I was an athiest. Jaz screamed, "So you think a= living body and I dead body are the saaaame?" I was pretty confused.= --part1_197.241cf01d.2d2360b9_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 23:34:52 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 15:34:52 -0800 Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers Message-ID: I ended up on some MTV documentary for Rock against racsism in the early 90's. My band at the time, Severance was playing in a showcase there and I ended up sitting next to someone who was being interviewed for the event. Also opened for New Model Army in 1992. I know that one doesnt count but I had almost forgot until see them acoustically last month. Cheers MIchael > I was there, but I've yet to spot myself (friends say they have - in the > swirly up-close moshpit scenes). The director (Samuel Bayer) was a Dick & > threatened to lose the entire audience if we didn't behave according to his > instructions - so my friends & I left early, having not the slightest > INKLING of how massive Nirvana was on the brink of becoming. We'd scene > them at the Roxy a few weeks before, not realizing that the skinny, > shirtless, long haired drummer was in actuality Dave Grohl - we'd thought > that the old guy had just got very good...anyway, some casting director was > there casting kids from the audience & I think I fit the "grunge" > description back then; I was probably wearing cut off jeans & a flannel, I'm > embarrassed to say... > Anyway, we left early & went to see L7 at Raji's - which ended up being much > more fun! Ahh the good ol' daze... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Smith" > To: ; > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:20 PM > Subject: Re: [kj] Famous gatherers > > > > > > > > Wow.....you were in the video? That's quite something to brag about. Not > > everyone can make that claim. > > > > Alex in NYC > > > > > > ---------- > > >From: "KETRACEL WHITE" > > >To: > > >Subject: Re: [kj] Famous gatherers > > >Date: Tue, Dec 30, 2003, 1:53 PM > > > > > > > >I was in the "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video in 1990, or whatever year > that > > >was...wish I'd been wearing my Extremeties shirt in it...some poetic > justice > > >might've been had - or maybe not. > > >-GC (awaiting a massive barrage of rotten projectiles) > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "mike coles" > > >To: > > >Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 10:34 AM > > >Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers > > > > > > > > >> I was in a Status Quo video for ten seconds in 1981... > > >> ...sad old colesy > > >> -- > > >> Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk > > >> ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Gathering mailing list > > >> Gathering@misera.net > > >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > >> > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Gathering mailing list > > >Gathering@misera.net > > >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > -- www.electric-jesus.com From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 23:38:36 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:38:36 -0000 Subject: [kj] OT:Seth's birthday References: <000c01c3ccb8$b5b89ed0$566cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: <000c01c3cf2e$13421910$376cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3CF2E.0B958760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OT:Seth's birthdayHave you taken her up the Aisle yet. or is she just a girlfreind ????? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: peter.west410=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [kj] OT:Seth's birthday Congratulations jester, for "getting laid".But ,to be quite honest, I = did nt really want to know. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jester=20 To: Gathering=20 Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 4:12 PM Subject: [kj] OT:Seth's birthday Shit, my oldest son turns 6 years old in about an hour. Damn they = grow up too fast. Seems like yesterday he was my little 5 pound baby = boy. Now he is kicked back, with his Gameboy, listening to Pandemonium = and Rob Moss' band.=20 Anyway, just me breaking away from family for a sec to spout off = about how much it sucks to see the kids grow up so damn fast. Hope all of you guys had a good holiday, got some cool shit, stayed = intoxicated, got laid, and gearing up for the Joke in 2004. Cheers, and = also happy birthday to my baby boy, Seth... Joe in hot assed TexASS...completely devoid of the concept of = seasons.... KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR!=20 OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows = or Gates?"=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3CF2E.0B958760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OT:Seth's birthday
Have you taken her up the Aisle = yet.
 or is she just a girlfreind=20 ?????
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 peter.west410
Sent: Saturday, December 27, = 2003 8:33=20 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] OT:Seth's=20 birthday

Congratulations jester, for "getting = laid".But=20 ,to be quite honest, I did nt really want to know.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jester
Sent: Saturday, December 27, = 2003 4:12=20 PM
Subject: [kj] OT:Seth's = birthday

Shit, my=20 oldest son turns 6 years old in about an hour. Damn they grow up too = fast.=20 Seems like yesterday he was my little 5 pound baby boy. Now he is = kicked=20 back, with his Gameboy, listening to Pandemonium and Rob Moss=92 = band.=20

Anyway, just me breaking away from family for a sec to spout = off=20 about how much it sucks to see the kids grow up so damn = fast.

Hope=20 all of you guys had a good holiday, got some cool shit, stayed = intoxicated,=20 got laid, and gearing up for the Joke in 2004. Cheers, and also = happy=20 birthday to my baby boy, Seth...


Joe in hot assed=20 TexASS...completely devoid of the concept of=20 seasons....



KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH = HONOUR!=20
OCCISIO LOCATIO

THE WEBMASTER,
JESTER=20
WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM
WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20

There is no place like = 127.0.0.1

"In a world=20 without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or=20 Gates?" =
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3CF2E.0B958760-- From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 23:40:42 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:40:42 -0500 Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers Message-ID: <200312302341.hBUNf6Of011010@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> I seem to remember a guy with a Bad Brains shirt on, but never spotted the EXTREMITIES t-shirt in there. Must study it closely next time. Alex in NYC ---------- >From: "KETRACEL WHITE" >To: >Cc: "r e t r o d e m o n 2 6 3" >Subject: Re: [kj] Famous gatherers >Date: Tue, Dec 30, 2003, 4:30 PM > >I was there, but I've yet to spot myself (friends say they have - in the >swirly up-close moshpit scenes). The director (Samuel Bayer) was a Dick & >threatened to lose the entire audience if we didn't behave according to his >instructions - so my friends & I left early, having not the slightest >INKLING of how massive Nirvana was on the brink of becoming. We'd scene >them at the Roxy a few weeks before, not realizing that the skinny, >shirtless, long haired drummer was in actuality Dave Grohl - we'd thought >that the old guy had just got very good...anyway, some casting director was >there casting kids from the audience & I think I fit the "grunge" >description back then; I was probably wearing cut off jeans & a flannel, I'm >embarrassed to say... >Anyway, we left early & went to see L7 at Raji's - which ended up being much >more fun! Ahh the good ol' daze... > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alex Smith" >To: ; >Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:20 PM >Subject: Re: [kj] Famous gatherers > > >> >> >> Wow.....you were in the video? That's quite something to brag about. Not >> everyone can make that claim. >> >> Alex in NYC >> >> >> ---------- >> >From: "KETRACEL WHITE" >> >To: >> >Subject: Re: [kj] Famous gatherers >> >Date: Tue, Dec 30, 2003, 1:53 PM >> > >> >> >I was in the "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video in 1990, or whatever year >that >> >was...wish I'd been wearing my Extremeties shirt in it...some poetic >justice >> >might've been had - or maybe not. >> >-GC (awaiting a massive barrage of rotten projectiles) >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "mike coles" >> >To: >> >Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 10:34 AM >> >Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers >> > >> > >> >> I was in a Status Quo video for ten seconds in 1981... >> >> ...sad old colesy >> >> -- >> >> Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk >> >> ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Gathering mailing list >> >> Gathering@misera.net >> >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Gathering mailing list >> >Gathering@misera.net >> >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >> _______________________________________________ >> Gathering mailing list >> Gathering@misera.net >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >> >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 31 00:18:56 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Dave Axford) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:18:56 -0500 Subject: [kj] Not so famous gatherers Message-ID: <002b01c3cf33$ae8ffea0$826f8a3f@Joker> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C3CF09.C568F070 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess this doesn't really count even though I was in charge... and = behind one of the six cameras:=20 http://www.whites.com/heads_cranes/strada_crane.asp#Crew Dave ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C3CF09.C568F070 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I guess this doesn't really count even = though I=20 was in charge... and behind one of the six cameras: =
 
http://= www.whites.com/heads_cranes/strada_crane.asp#Crew
 
Dave
------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C3CF09.C568F070-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 31 00:30:18 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:30:18 -0500 Subject: Fwd: [kj] Famous gatherers Message-ID: <10F11C37.787DD755.0004DF86@aol.com> Leyton Orient scored? A rare moment of history there! > >I found myself in a video footage of a late 80s Leyton Orient football match jumping up and down as the team had just scored.....sad i know!!! From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 31 01:55:02 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mike) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:55:02 -0500 Subject: Fwd: [kj] Famous gatherers References: <10F11C37.787DD755.0004DF86@aol.com> Message-ID: <003101c3cf41$39c15020$5359bd18@gunner> I was the back part of the horse in a Mr Ed revival film ;} happy new years new guy Mike----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 7:30 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: [kj] Famous gatherers > Leyton Orient scored? A rare moment of history there! > > > > >I found myself in a video footage of a late 80s Leyton Orient football match jumping up and down as the team had just scored.....sad i know!!! > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 31 02:53:16 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:53:16 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT:Seth's birthday In-Reply-To: <000c01c3cf2e$13421910$376cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> References: <000c01c3ccb8$b5b89ed0$566cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> <000c01c3cf2e$13421910$376cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: <1072839196.3ff23a1cc0e0d@killing-joke.com> Quoting "peter.west410" : > Have you taken her up the Aisle yet. > or is she just a girlfreind ????? Been happily married for quite a few years... -- Cheers, Jester Webmaster www.killing-joke.com www.parallax1.com From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 31 04:02:17 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Cliff and Kara Livingston) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:02:17 -0900 Subject: [kj] OT:Seth's birthday References: <000c01c3ccb8$b5b89ed0$566cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> <000c01c3cf2e$13421910$376cff3e@yourby3nr533ht> <1072839196.3ff23a1cc0e0d@killing-joke.com> Message-ID: <004301c3cf52$e2f0b6c0$d19e70d1@antifrz> Happy Belated Birthday Seth I think you have the same B-day as ur unka Ted Parsons. Cheers,Unka Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jester" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [kj] OT:Seth's birthday > Quoting "peter.west410" : > > > Have you taken her up the Aisle yet. > > or is she just a girlfreind ????? > > > Been happily married for quite a few years... > > > > -- Cheers, > > Jester > > Webmaster > www.killing-joke.com > www.parallax1.com > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 31 04:08:34 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Cliff and Kara Livingston) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:08:34 -0900 Subject: [kj] Happy Birthday Mike Coles Message-ID: <004c01c3cf53$c3a65940$d19e70d1@antifrz> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C3CF08.52782780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Colesy ... Wishing you a warm Birthday greeting from all of us here in Alaska. Cliff & Kara ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C3CF08.52782780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Colesy ...
Wishing you a warm Birthday greeting = from all of us=20 here in Alaska.
Cliff & Kara =
------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C3CF08.52782780-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 31 05:50:17 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:50:17 EST Subject: Fwd: [kj] Famous gatherers Message-ID: <148.1fb54717.2d23bd99@aol.com> --part1_148.1fb54717.2d23bd99_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_148.1fb54717.2d23bd99_alt_boundary" --part1_148.1fb54717.2d23bd99_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jamie, I always treasure the rare moments when the O's score...I seem to recall you being a Chelsea fan ..am I correct? Dave --part1_148.1fb54717.2d23bd99_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jamie, I always treasure the rare moments when the O's score...I seem to rec= all you being a Chelsea fan ..am I correct?

Dave
 --part1_148.1fb54717.2d23bd99_alt_boundary-- --part1_148.1fb54717.2d23bd99_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-xl02.mx.aol.com (rly-xl02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.71]) by air-xl02.mail.aol.com (v97.14) with ESMTP id MAILINXL23-5bc3ff2192621a; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:32:50 -0500 Received: from four.pairlist.net (four.pairlist.net [216.92.1.120]) by rly-xl02.mx.aol.com (v97.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXL28-5bc3ff2192621a; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:32:38 -0500 Received: from four.pairlist.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by four.pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D8CDA93; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:32:32 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: gathering@four.pairlist.net Received: from mu.pair.com (mu.pair.com [209.68.1.23]) by four.pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C2858DB0A for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 84819 invoked by uid 7122); 31 Dec 2003 00:30:51 -0000 Delivered-To: misera-misera:net-gathering@misera.net Received: (qmail 84816 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 00:30:51 -0000 Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (64.12.136.5) by mu.pair.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 00:30:51 -0000 Received: from Jpwhkj@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id g.d7.6fcbc6 (15862) for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:30:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-d23.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.164]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v97.14) with ESMTP id MAILINID61-3df63ff21899184; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:30:17 -0500 From: Jpwhkj@aol.com To: gathering@misera.net Subject: Re: Fwd: [kj] Famous gatherers MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <10F11C37.787DD755.0004DF86@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 216.92.1.120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gathering-admin@misera.net Errors-To: gathering-admin@misera.net X-BeenThere: gathering@misera.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gathering@misera.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:30:18 -0500 Leyton Orient scored? A rare moment of history there! > >I found myself in a video footage of a late 80s Leyton Orient football match jumping up and down as the team had just scored.....sad i know!!! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering --part1_148.1fb54717.2d23bd99_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 31 05:53:09 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:53:09 EST Subject: Fwd: [kj] Happy Birthday Mike Coles Message-ID: <169.283eeff9.2d23be45@aol.com> --part1_169.283eeff9.2d23be45_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_169.283eeff9.2d23be45_alt_boundary" --part1_169.283eeff9.2d23be45_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many happy returns mike, I hope you have a thoroughly enjoyable day. Dave --part1_169.283eeff9.2d23be45_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Many happy returns mike, I hope you have a thoroughly enjoyable day.

Dave --part1_169.283eeff9.2d23be45_alt_boundary-- --part1_169.283eeff9.2d23be45_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-xm03.mx.aol.com (rly-xm03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.104]) by air-xm03.mail.aol.com (v97.14) with ESMTP id MAILINXM34-6013ff24c37ee; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:11:00 -0500 Received: from four.pairlist.net (four.pairlist.net [216.92.1.120]) by rly-xm03.mx.aol.com (v97.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXM37-6013ff24c37ee; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:10:37 -0500 Received: from four.pairlist.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by four.pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD10DAE5; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:10:31 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: gathering@four.pairlist.net Received: from mu.pair.com (mu.pair.com [209.68.1.23]) by four.pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 381B1DA89 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:09:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 39558 invoked by uid 7122); 31 Dec 2003 04:09:19 -0000 Delivered-To: misera-misera:net-gathering@misera.net Received: (qmail 39554 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 04:09:18 -0000 Received: from malik.acsalaska.net (209.112.155.41) by mu.pair.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 04:09:18 -0000 Received: from antifrz (87-pm6.nwc.alaska.net [209.112.139.87]) by malik.acsalaska.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hBV4982M018244 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:09:11 -0900 (AKST) (envelope-from antifrz@alaska.net) Message-ID: <004c01c3cf53$c3a65940$d19e70d1@antifrz> From: "Cliff and Kara Livingston" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01C3CF08.52782780" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-ACS-Spam-Status: no X-ACS-Spam-Score: 1.13 (x) X-ACS-Spam-Tests: HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE X-ACS-Scanned-By: MD 2.37; SA 2.61; spamdefang 1.76 Subject: [kj] Happy Birthday Mike Coles Sender: gathering-admin@misera.net Errors-To: gathering-admin@misera.net X-BeenThere: gathering@misera.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gathering@misera.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:08:34 -0900 X-AOL-IP: 216.92.1.120 ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C3CF08.52782780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Colesy ... Wishing you a warm Birthday greeting from all of us here in Alaska. Cliff & Kara=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C3CF08.52782780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Colesy ...
Wishing you a warm Birthday greeting from a= ll of us=20 here in Alaska.
Cliff & Kara
------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C3CF08.52782780-- --part1_169.283eeff9.2d23be45_boundary-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 31 07:55:03 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 01:55:03 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: too quiet... In-Reply-To: <200312301706.hBUH6IOf006435@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: Haha...yeah yeah yeah...just wait till your the one with the screaming kid. :-) Hey man, they all act like that, at different times. The piercing scream is what gets me. You can find a "cure" for other issues, but the scream is one that is a little harder to stop once it starts. Now I know where my parents came up with using "You want a reason to cry like that" phrase. Seems to work when they get older. But then again, if you never jump their shit, and they know it, nothing will work. Once they hit about 5 or 6, you can start taking away the gameboy and shit like that. Now that is kinda cool in a sadistic way. I get to play the gameboy all day now, till Thursday. Yeah, it's ok to have a little fun with it. Tends to add to the overall effect, and they don=B9t want to lose the toy/game...whatever, again. Be warned tho. If you have a daughter, she will more than likely kill you with cuteness. You will be helpless in her grasp, as she will twist and war= p you around her pinky finger till she gains control of your soul. Joe in TexASS, with a grounded 6 year old son, a 4 year old son who thinks he's black, and a demonic 3 year old daughter who runs the show. On 12/30/03 11:05 AM, "Alex Smith" wrote: >=20 > I don't mind the screaming, somewhat surprisingly. Actually, when they fi= rst > start to get upset, it's sort've entertaining: the bottom lip juts out, t= he > face reddens, the eyes turn into anguished little slits, and then that > piercing, high octave wail. It's when they scream so hard that they sound= like > it's tuckering them out that's alarming (i.e. "what could it be that's ma= king > them THAT upset?") In any event, it seemed like good training. The other = kids, > however, (ages 5, 7, 9) could *NOT* have been worse-behaved (and I put AL= L > blame squarely on their parents, who are nice people but wouldn't know > discipline if it smacked them right in the face). >=20 > Anyway, we'll see. >=20 > Alex in NYC >=20 >=20 > ---------- > From: "Alexi Hamilton" > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: too quiet... > Date: Mon, Dec 29, 2003, 11:50 PM >=20 >=20 >> Get used to it my friend...yours will scream just as loud as hers....b= ut >> it'll be YOURS and that's okay. >>=20 >> ~Alexi=20 >>=20 >> It was lovely,=20 >>> actually, but those fuckin' kids drive me nuts. There is a newish baby = in >>> the family (Peggy's sister Katie's) who is eleven months old, cute as h= ell >>> and fun to hang out with (until she starts screaming her little head of= f), >>> so that was kinda fun. >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Have fun customizing MSN Messenger =97 learn how here! >> >> _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list >> Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >=20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 31 10:34:20 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Mark Saxton) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 10:34:20 -0000 Subject: [kj] Happy Birthday Mike Coles References: <169.283eeff9.2d23be45@aol.com> Message-ID: <004801c3cf89$a6883780$69552bd9@musicpc> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C3CF89.A658EA20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, Happy Birthday Mester Coles, your product and presence are = precious,cheers! Ranjeef ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Wrightdvdw@aol.com=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 5:53 AM Subject: Fwd: [kj] Happy Birthday Mike Coles Many happy returns mike, I hope you have a thoroughly enjoyable day. Dave=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C3CF89.A658EA20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yeah, Happy Birthday Mester Coles, your = product and=20 presence are precious,cheers!       =20 Ranjeef
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Wrightdvdw@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, = 2003 5:53=20 AM
Subject: Fwd: [kj] Happy = Birthday Mike=20 Coles



Many happy returns mike, I = hope you=20 have a thoroughly enjoyable day.

Dave=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C3CF89.A658EA20-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 31 10:39:04 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 10:39:04 -0000 Subject: [kj] Cliff and Kara Message-ID: <000f01c3cf8a$59e0d850$92ccff3e@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3CF8A.4FA22A10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you two ever feel the need to send me 300 hostile E-mails again,I = would just like to say,You dont have to,Because ive still got the last = lot you sent me,I was going to delate them on Christmas day,But how sads = that. Everyone would say "What did you do on Christmas day", "Oh, I = spent it delating hostile E-mails".So I still got them. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3CF8A.4FA22A10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If you two ever feel the need = to send me=20 300 hostile E-mails again,I would just like to say,You dont have = to,Because ive=20 still got the last lot you sent me,I was going to delate them on = Christmas=20 day,But how sads that.
      = Everyone=20 would say "What did you do on Christmas day", "Oh, I spent it delating = hostile=20 E-mails".So I still got them.
 
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3CF8A.4FA22A10-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 31 10:57:15 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 10:57:15 +0000 Subject: [kj] the young mr coles Message-ID: --============_-1139254251==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Thanks for the birthday wishes folks, but I'm not actually that old until next Thursday! Same day as Elvis P and David B. Mike....always wondered: did you include your own face on the DEMOCRACY sleeve somewhere (or on any other Joke release?) not yet! like to see that one for sure, imagine such a young long haired colesy groovin' actually I had to wear head-to-toe denim, not shave for two days previous and look up from my newspaper, giving the evil eye to the main character as he walked into my caff I'd like to wish you all a happy and prosperous (financially & spiritually) 2004. Like the Malicious Damage clock I plan to move in the opposite direction whilst proceeding in a logical manner. cheers, colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk --============_-1139254251==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" the young mr coles
Thanks for the birthday wishes folks, but I'm not actually that old until next Thursday!
Same day as Elvis P and David B.

Mike....always wondered: did you include your own face on the DEMOCRACY
sleeve somewhere (or on any other Joke release?)
not yet!

like to see that one for sure, imagine such a young long haired colesy groovin'
actually I had to wear head-to-toe denim, not shave for two days previous and look up from my newspaper, giving the evil eye to the main character as he walked into my caff

I'd like to wish you all a happy and prosperous (financially & spiritually) 2004.
Like the Malicious Damage clock I plan to move in the opposite direction whilst proceeding in a logical manner.
cheers,
colesy

--
Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk
... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk
--============_-1139254251==_ma============-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 31 14:06:37 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Cliff and Kara Livingston) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 05:06:37 -0900 Subject: OT [kj] Cliff Says Hostile This References: <000f01c3cf8a$59e0d850$92ccff3e@yourby3nr533ht> Message-ID: <007b01c3cfa7$4f16fae0$d19e70d1@antifrz> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C3CF5B.DE11FC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Peet a west, I got yer hostile right here. you got sent 100 as promised. I have no idea how you recieved 300. I did'nt write anything on the e-mails. Blank reply of your original OT messages back to you was'nt hostile. I recieved 60 spams back from you,no i did'nt consider it hostile. Actually had a good laugh.. Cliff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: peter.west410=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 1:39 AM Subject: [kj] Cliff=20 If you two ever feel the need to send me 300 hostile E-mails again,I = would just like to say,You dont have to,Because ive still got the last = lot you sent me,I was going to delate them on Christmas day,But how sads = that. Everyone would say "What did you do on Christmas day", "Oh, I = spent it delating hostile E-mails".So I still got them. ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C3CF5B.DE11FC00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Peet a west,
I got yer hostile right here.
you got sent 100 as promised.
I have no idea how you recieved = 300.
I did'nt write anything on the = e-mails.
Blank reply of your original OT messages back to = you=20 was'nt hostile.
I recieved 60 spams back from you,no i did'nt = consider it=20 hostile.
Actually had a good laugh..
Cliff
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 peter.west410
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, = 2003 1:39=20 AM
Subject: [kj] Cliff

If you two ever feel the need = to send me=20 300 hostile E-mails again,I would just like to say,You dont have = to,Because=20 ive still got the last lot you sent me,I was going to delate them on = Christmas=20 day,But how sads that.
      Everyone=20 would say "What did you do on Christmas day", "Oh, I spent it delating = hostile=20 E-mails".So I still got them.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C3CF5B.DE11FC00-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 31 15:10:30 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Christian Cliff) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:10:30 +0000 Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers Message-ID: I was in a Judas Priest video, freewheel burnin'.... Christian (cowering in shame) >From: "peter.west410" >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >To: >Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers >Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:33:59 -0000 > >Whilst watching the main news last night,A certain Mr Antoni adamiak was >featured in the second main news story. Not only was his name mentioned but >he was on film aswell (was that suit Armani or Versace?) > Can anyone else top that ? _________________________________________________________________ Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 31 15:22:27 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (peter.west410) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:22:27 -0000 Subject: OT [kj] Cliff Says Hostile This References: <000f01c3cf8a$59e0d850$92ccff3e@yourby3nr533ht> <007b01c3cfa7$4f16fae0$d19e70d1@antifrz> Message-ID: <000b01c3cfb1$e9ed2620$c2086851@yourby3nr533ht> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3CFB1.E64B4740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I did feel a bit hard done by,Because on that day ,My puter was = misbehaving and I received your request for quiet AFTER Id sent my last = OT,Then my puter kept repeating it self ,So your 100 = hostile(unwanted)E-mails quickly multiplied.Then after you barred my = address all the others i sent you ,came back. But as you" Had a great laugh",I would nt want to ruin your = future enjoyment,So you can send me E- mails until you feel ecstatic. Happy new year ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Cliff and Kara Livingston =20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 2:06 PM Subject: Re: OT [kj] Cliff Says Hostile This Peet a west, I got yer hostile right here. you got sent 100 as promised. I have no idea how you recieved 300. I did'nt write anything on the e-mails. Blank reply of your original OT messages back to you was'nt hostile. I recieved 60 spams back from you,no i did'nt consider it hostile. Actually had a good laugh.. Cliff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: peter.west410=20 To: gathering@misera.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 1:39 AM Subject: [kj] Cliff=20 If you two ever feel the need to send me 300 hostile E-mails again,I = would just like to say,You dont have to,Because ive still got the last = lot you sent me,I was going to delate them on Christmas day,But how sads = that. Everyone would say "What did you do on Christmas day", "Oh, I = spent it delating hostile E-mails".So I still got them. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3CFB1.E64B4740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I did feel a bit hard done by,Because = on that day=20 ,My puter was misbehaving and I received your request for quiet AFTER Id = sent my=20 last OT,Then my puter kept repeating it self ,So your 100=20 hostile(unwanted)E-mails quickly multiplied.Then after you barred my = address all=20 the others i sent you ,came back.
        But as=20 you" Had a great laugh",I would nt want to ruin your future enjoyment,So = you can=20 send me E- mails until you feel ecstatic.
  Happy new year
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Cliff = and Kara=20 Livingston 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, = 2003 2:06=20 PM
Subject: Re: OT [kj] Cliff Says = Hostile=20 This

Peet a west,
I got yer hostile right = here.
you got sent 100 as promised.
I have no idea how you recieved = 300.
I did'nt write anything on the = e-mails.
Blank reply of your original OT messages back = to you=20 was'nt hostile.
I recieved 60 spams back from you,no i did'nt = consider=20 it hostile.
Actually had a good laugh..
Cliff
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 peter.west410
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, = 2003 1:39=20 AM
Subject: [kj] Cliff

If you two ever feel the = need to send=20 me 300 hostile E-mails again,I would just like to say,You dont have=20 to,Because ive still got the last lot you sent me,I was going to = delate them=20 on Christmas day,But how sads that.
      Everyone=20 would say "What did you do on Christmas day", "Oh, I spent it = delating=20 hostile E-mails".So I still got them.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3CFB1.E64B4740-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 31 16:30:56 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:30:56 -0500 Subject: [kj] Happy Birthday Mike Coles Message-ID: <200312311630.hBVGU0tw012614@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3155715056_125232_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit What's this? `Tis is the Pen'n'Paintbrush-weilder's birthday? HAPPY BIRTHDAY SIR MICHAEL OF COLES! Wishing you & yours the most Claude Rainiest of BirthDays! Alex in NYC ---------- From: "Cliff and Kara Livingston" To: Subject: [kj] Happy Birthday Mike Coles Date: Tue, Dec 30, 2003, 11:08 PM Hi Colesy ... Wishing you a warm Birthday greeting from all of us here in Alaska. Cliff & Kara --MS_Mac_OE_3155715056_125232_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [kj] Happy Birthday Mike Coles
What's this? `Tis is the Pen'n'Paintbrush-weilder's birthday?

    HAPPY BIRTHDAY SIR MICHAEL OF COLES!

    Wishing you & yours the most Claude Rainiest of= BirthDays!

Alex in NYC




----------
From: "Cliff and Kara Livingston" <antifrz@alaska.net>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: [kj] Happy Birthday Mike Coles
Date: Tue, Dec 30, 2003, 11:08 PM


Hi Colesy ...
Wishing you a warm Birthday greeting from all of us here in Alaska.
Cliff & Kara

--MS_Mac_OE_3155715056_125232_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 31 16:42:19 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:42:19 -0500 Subject: OT [kj] Cliff Says Hostile This Message-ID: <200312311641.hBVGfvOf007621@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3155715739_166308_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit HEY, WHAT'S ALL THIS OFF TOPIC SHIT ?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!!!!! Just kidding. Alex in NYC ---------- From: "Cliff and Kara Livingston" To: Subject: Re: OT [kj] Cliff Says Hostile This Date: Wed, Dec 31, 2003, 9:06 AM Peet a west, I got yer hostile right here. you got sent 100 as promised. I have no idea how you recieved 300. I did'nt write anything on the e-mails. Blank reply of your original OT messages back to you was'nt hostile. I recieved 60 spams back from you,no i did'nt consider it hostile. Actually had a good laugh.. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: peter.west410 To: gathering@misera.net Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 1:39 AM Subject: [kj] Cliff If you two ever feel the need to send me 300 hostile E-mails again,I would just like to say,You dont have to,Because ive still got the last lot you sent me,I was going to delate them on Christmas day,But how sads that. Everyone would say "What did you do on Christmas day", "Oh, I spent it delating hostile E-mails".So I still got them. --MS_Mac_OE_3155715739_166308_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: OT [kj] Cliff Says Hostile This
HEY, WHAT'S ALL THIS OFF TOPIC SHIT ?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!

Just kidding.

Alex in NYC


----------
From: "Cliff and Kara Livingston" <antifrz@alaska.net>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re: OT [kj] Cliff Says Hostile This
Date: Wed, Dec 31, 2003, 9:06 AM


Peet a west,
I got yer hostile right here.
you got sent 100 as promised.
I have no idea how you recieved 300.
I did'nt write anything on the e-mails.
Blank reply of your original OT messages back to you was'nt hostile.
I recieved 60 spams back from you,no i did'nt consider it hostile.
Actually had a good laugh..
Cliff
 
----- Original Message -----
From: peter.west410 <mailto:peter.west41= 0@ntlworld.com>  
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net>  
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 1:39 AM
Subject: [kj] Cliff

If you two ever feel the need to send me 300 hostile E-mails= again,I would just like to say,You dont have to,Because ive still got the l= ast lot you sent me,I was going to delate them on Christmas day,But how sads= that.
      Everyone would say "What did you d= o on Christmas day", "Oh, I spent it delating hostile E-mails"= ;.So I still got them.
 

--MS_Mac_OE_3155715739_166308_MIME_Part-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 31 16:43:32 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:43:32 -0500 Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers Message-ID: <200312311643.hBVGfvOh007621@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> "Freewheel Burnin'" is a great track, but the video (with shoddy skeletons riding choppers) was a bit lame. What part did you play, Christian? Alex in NYC....whose fave JP song is "Hell Bent for Leather" ---------- >From: "Christian Cliff" >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: RE: [kj] Famous gatherers >Date: Wed, Dec 31, 2003, 10:10 AM > >I was in a Judas Priest video, freewheel burnin'.... > >Christian (cowering in shame) > > >>From: "peter.west410" >>Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >>To: >>Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers >>Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:33:59 -0000 >> >>Whilst watching the main news last night,A certain Mr Antoni adamiak was >>featured in the second main news story. Not only was his name mentioned but >>he was on film aswell (was that suit Armani or Versace?) >> Can anyone else top that ? > >_________________________________________________________________ >Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. >http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 31 18:15:31 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Tim Bucknall) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 18:15:31 -0000 Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers References: Message-ID: <000f01c3cfca$347e4620$e2168351@theflcj7u2ozl6> i appeared on BBC Radio stoke in 1991 when i was 13 talking about my long distance radio hobby- eek! ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike coles" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 6:34 PM Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers > I was in a Status Quo video for ten seconds in 1981... > ...sad old colesy > -- > Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk > ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 31 18:20:44 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Tim Bucknall) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 18:20:44 -0000 Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers References: Message-ID: <003d01c3cfca$d1561950$e2168351@theflcj7u2ozl6> wow! can you be seen? ----- Original Message ----- From: "KETRACEL WHITE" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [kj] Famous gatherers > I was in the "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video in 1990, or whatever year that > was...wish I'd been wearing my Extremeties shirt in it...some poetic justice > might've been had - or maybe not. > -GC (awaiting a massive barrage of rotten projectiles) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mike coles" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 10:34 AM > Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers > > > > I was in a Status Quo video for ten seconds in 1981... > > ...sad old colesy > > -- > > Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk > > ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 31 18:20:44 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Tim Bucknall) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 18:20:44 -0000 Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers References: Message-ID: <003d01c3cfca$d1561950$e2168351@theflcj7u2ozl6> wow! can you be seen? ----- Original Message ----- From: "KETRACEL WHITE" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [kj] Famous gatherers > I was in the "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video in 1990, or whatever year that > was...wish I'd been wearing my Extremeties shirt in it...some poetic justice > might've been had - or maybe not. > -GC (awaiting a massive barrage of rotten projectiles) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mike coles" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 10:34 AM > Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers > > > > I was in a Status Quo video for ten seconds in 1981... > > ...sad old colesy > > -- > > Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk > > ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering@misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 31 18:22:40 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Christian Cliff) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 18:22:40 +0000 Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers Message-ID: I was a space-invader playing headbanger! The video was actually directed by Julien Temple of "rock 'n roll swindle" fame who turned out to be a nice guy as were most of the band... >From: "Alex Smith" >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >To: gathering@misera.net, gathering@misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] Famous gatherers >Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:43:32 -0500 > > > >"Freewheel Burnin'" is a great track, but the video (with shoddy skeletons >riding choppers) was a bit lame. What part did you play, Christian? > >Alex in NYC....whose fave JP song is "Hell Bent for Leather" > > >---------- > >From: "Christian Cliff" > >To: gathering@misera.net > >Subject: RE: [kj] Famous gatherers > >Date: Wed, Dec 31, 2003, 10:10 AM > > > > >I was in a Judas Priest video, freewheel burnin'.... > > > >Christian (cowering in shame) > > > > > >>From: "peter.west410" > >>Reply-To: gathering@misera.net > >>To: > >>Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers > >>Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:33:59 -0000 > >> > >>Whilst watching the main news last night,A certain Mr Antoni adamiak >was > >>featured in the second main news story. Not only was his name mentioned >but > >>he was on film aswell (was that suit Armani or Versace?) > >> Can anyone else top that ? > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. > >http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Gathering mailing list > >Gathering@misera.net > >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ Get reliable dial-up Internet access now with our limited-time introductory offer. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From gathering@misera.net Tue Dec 30 17:59:59 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Jester) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:59:59 -0600 Subject: [kj] OT: too quiet... In-Reply-To: <200312301706.hBUH6IOf006435@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: Haha...yeah yeah yeah...just wait till your the one with the screaming kid. :-) Hey man, they all act like that, at different times. The piercing scream is what gets me. You can find a "cure" for other issues, but the scream is one that is a little harder to stop once it starts. Now I know where my parents came up with using "You want a reason to cry like that" phrase. Seems to work when they get older. But then again, if you never jump their shit, and they know it, nothing will work. Once they hit about 5 or 6, you can start taking away the gameboy and shit like that. Now that is kinda cool in a sadistic way. I get to play the gameboy all day now, till Thursday. Yeah, it's ok to have a little fun with it. Tends to add to the overall effect, and they don=B9t want to lose the toy/game...whatever, again. Be warned tho. If you have a daughter, she will more than likely kill you with cuteness. You will be helpless in her grasp, as she will twist and war= p you around her pinky finger till she gains control of your soul. Joe in TexASS, with a grounded 6 year old son, a 4 year old son who thinks he's black, and a demonic 3 year old daughter who runs the show. On 12/30/03 11:05 AM, "Alex Smith" wrote: >=20 > I don't mind the screaming, somewhat surprisingly. Actually, when they fi= rst > start to get upset, it's sort've entertaining: the bottom lip juts out, t= he > face reddens, the eyes turn into anguished little slits, and then that > piercing, high octave wail. It's when they scream so hard that they sound= like > it's tuckering them out that's alarming (i.e. "what could it be that's ma= king > them THAT upset?") In any event, it seemed like good training. The other = kids, > however, (ages 5, 7, 9) could *NOT* have been worse-behaved (and I put AL= L > blame squarely on their parents, who are nice people but wouldn't know > discipline if it smacked them right in the face). >=20 > Anyway, we'll see. >=20 > Alex in NYC >=20 >=20 > ---------- > From: "Alexi Hamilton" > To: gathering@misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: too quiet... > Date: Mon, Dec 29, 2003, 11:50 PM >=20 >=20 >> Get used to it my friend...yours will scream just as loud as hers....b= ut >> it'll be YOURS and that's okay. >>=20 >> ~Alexi=20 >>=20 >> It was lovely,=20 >>> actually, but those fuckin' kids drive me nuts. There is a newish baby = in >>> the family (Peggy's sister Katie's) who is eleven months old, cute as h= ell >>> and fun to hang out with (until she starts screaming her little head of= f), >>> so that was kinda fun. >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Have fun customizing MSN Messenger =97 learn how here! >> >> _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list >> Gathering@misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >=20 KEEPING THE FIRE ALIVE WITH HONOUR! OCCISIO LOCATIO=20 THE WEBMASTER,=20 JESTER=20 WWW.KILLING-JOKE.COM WWW.PARALLAX1.COM=20 There is no place like 127.0.0.1 "In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?" From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 31 19:41:25 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Ketracel White) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:41:25 -0800 Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers References: <200312302341.hBUNf6Of011010@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: Yeah, the bald guy with the bad brains shirt even made it into the Weird Al version... I only WISH I'd been wearing a Killing Joke shirt! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Smith" To: ; Cc: "r e t r o d e m o n 2 6 3" Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [kj] Famous gatherers > > I seem to remember a guy with a Bad Brains shirt on, but never spotted the > EXTREMITIES t-shirt in there. Must study it closely next time. > > Alex in NYC > > > > ---------- > >From: "KETRACEL WHITE" > >To: > >Cc: "r e t r o d e m o n 2 6 3" > >Subject: Re: [kj] Famous gatherers > >Date: Tue, Dec 30, 2003, 4:30 PM > > > > >I was there, but I've yet to spot myself (friends say they have - in the > >swirly up-close moshpit scenes). The director (Samuel Bayer) was a Dick & > >threatened to lose the entire audience if we didn't behave according to his > >instructions - so my friends & I left early, having not the slightest > >INKLING of how massive Nirvana was on the brink of becoming. We'd scene > >them at the Roxy a few weeks before, not realizing that the skinny, > >shirtless, long haired drummer was in actuality Dave Grohl - we'd thought > >that the old guy had just got very good...anyway, some casting director was > >there casting kids from the audience & I think I fit the "grunge" > >description back then; I was probably wearing cut off jeans & a flannel, I'm > >embarrassed to say... > >Anyway, we left early & went to see L7 at Raji's - which ended up being much > >more fun! Ahh the good ol' daze... > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Alex Smith" > >To: ; > >Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:20 PM > >Subject: Re: [kj] Famous gatherers > > > > > >> > >> > >> Wow.....you were in the video? That's quite something to brag about. Not > >> everyone can make that claim. > >> > >> Alex in NYC > >> > >> > >> ---------- > >> >From: "KETRACEL WHITE" > >> >To: > >> >Subject: Re: [kj] Famous gatherers > >> >Date: Tue, Dec 30, 2003, 1:53 PM > >> > > >> > >> >I was in the "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video in 1990, or whatever year > >that > >> >was...wish I'd been wearing my Extremeties shirt in it...some poetic > >justice > >> >might've been had - or maybe not. > >> >-GC (awaiting a massive barrage of rotten projectiles) > >> > > >> >----- Original Message ----- > >> >From: "mike coles" > >> >To: > >> >Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 10:34 AM > >> >Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers > >> > > >> > > >> >> I was in a Status Quo video for ten seconds in 1981... > >> >> ...sad old colesy > >> >> -- > >> >> Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk > >> >> ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Gathering mailing list > >> >> Gathering@misera.net > >> >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > >> >> > >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >Gathering mailing list > >> >Gathering@misera.net > >> >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Gathering mailing list > >> Gathering@misera.net > >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >Gathering mailing list > >Gathering@misera.net > >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering@misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 31 20:11:01 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (mike coles) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 20:11:01 +0000 Subject: [kj] coincidence? Message-ID: --============_-1139221029==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" The video was actually directed by Julien Temple of "rock 'n roll swindle" fame who turned out to be a nice guy as were most of the band... Well the Status Quo video was directed by Arthur Ellis who went to film school with Julien Temple. How about that for a coincidence... cheers, colesy -- Check out our merchandise at http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk ... and you can find more Killing Joke at http://www.studio-c.co.uk --============_-1139221029==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" coincidence?
The video was actually directed by Julien Temple of "rock 'n roll swindle" fame who turned out to be a nice guy as were most of the band...

Well the Status Quo video was directed by Arthur Ellis who went to film school with Julien Temple.
How about that for a coincidence...
cheers,
colesy

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--============_-1139221029==_ma============-- From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 31 21:36:50 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Alex Smith) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 16:36:50 -0500 Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers Message-ID: <200312312137.hBVLbCOf023205@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Get the fuck out! That is AWESOME! I totally remember that! I think all the JP videos have recently been released on DVD. You should go buy it at once and make everyone you know watch it and buy you presents in sheer awe of your rocktacity! That's what I'd do, anyway. Cheers! Alex in NYC ---------- >From: "Christian Cliff" >To: gathering@misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] Famous gatherers >Date: Wed, Dec 31, 2003, 1:22 PM > >I was a space-invader playing headbanger! The video was actually directed by >Julien Temple of "rock 'n roll swindle" fame who turned out to be a nice guy >as were most of the band... > > >>From: "Alex Smith" >>Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >>To: gathering@misera.net, gathering@misera.net >>Subject: Re: [kj] Famous gatherers >>Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:43:32 -0500 >> >> >> >>"Freewheel Burnin'" is a great track, but the video (with shoddy skeletons >>riding choppers) was a bit lame. What part did you play, Christian? >> >>Alex in NYC....whose fave JP song is "Hell Bent for Leather" >> >> >>---------- >> >From: "Christian Cliff" >> >To: gathering@misera.net >> >Subject: RE: [kj] Famous gatherers >> >Date: Wed, Dec 31, 2003, 10:10 AM >> > >> >> >I was in a Judas Priest video, freewheel burnin'.... >> > >> >Christian (cowering in shame) >> > >> > >> >>From: "peter.west410" >> >>Reply-To: gathering@misera.net >> >>To: >> >>Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers >> >>Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:33:59 -0000 >> >> >> >>Whilst watching the main news last night,A certain Mr Antoni adamiak >>was >> >>featured in the second main news story. Not only was his name mentioned >>but >> >>he was on film aswell (was that suit Armani or Versace?) >> >> Can anyone else top that ? >> > >> >_________________________________________________________________ >> >Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. >> >http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Gathering mailing list >> >Gathering@misera.net >> >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >>_______________________________________________ >>Gathering mailing list >>Gathering@misera.net >>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get reliable dial-up Internet access now with our limited-time introductory >offer. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering@misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 31 21:42:02 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (Falcata-Galia Recordings) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 13:42:02 -0800 Subject: [kj] Famous gatherers In-Reply-To: <200312312137.hBVLbCOf023205@nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <007201c3cfe6$f0be0ac0$3400a8c0@rudolph> I was in a Ministry video once (Reload). Regards, =20 Rudolph A. Carrera Fal=E7ata-Galia Recordings http://www.falcata-galia.com Tariff Records http://www.tariffrecords.com Rudy's Information Center http://rudycarrera.com =20 From gathering@misera.net Wed Dec 31 23:33:15 2003 From: gathering@misera.net (gathering@misera.net) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 18:33:15 -0500 Subject: [kj] happy bDay colesy Message-ID: <3FF3166B.31195.EBA18@localhost> mike good sir, indeed do have a happy birthday! todd
Ignorance is bliss eh ,jester I was trying to in= form you of the situation.Its not a horrible argument and it does carry weig= ht,the world is fully aware of what goes on in taxarse,but ignorant of life = in the middle east,living under dictatorships
----- Original Message -----
From: Jester <mailto:webmaster@killing-j= oke.com>  
To: Gathering <mailto:gathering@misera.n= et>  
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] my tuppence worth

On 12/16/03 8:52 AM, "peter.west410" <peter.west410@ntlworld.com <mailto:p= eter.west410@ntlworld.com> > wrote:

the thing is i left my couch,seeing things first =  hand,rather than receiving second hand information at a newsdesk,its n= ot  untill you see young people getting tortured that you realise the &= nbsp;situation.and if you do now whats going on,and you dont want a change ,= you  should be ashamed of yourself,and to say youre "out of touch&= quot; is not petty  name calling whilst calling someone a sap is.

Wow, another =93I live there/been there, argument. Shit, how much weight woul= d it carry for me to say, =93well y=92all, I live in TexASS, and y=92all just don=92= t understand Bush=92s mindset. I know why he does these things, and there is a= very good reason for it. But since you don=92t live here, you don=92t understan= d.=94 (NO I don=92t feel that way, just an example...have to put that here for t= he people who would read it, miss the sarcasm, and freak out)

Fucking horrible argument, that carry=92s no weight AT ALL.

Sell that so called argument somewhere else.

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